Former Gun Range employee here, ricochet should not even be bought up at an indoor range. This is a bad interior design which they can be sued over. The fact that they said it happens frequently is concerning. Post their name so we know where not to go…
Sounds like they don't follow BMP regarding cleaning their trap materials, if this happens frequently, as they claim. I would 100% be bringing that up with management. Huge safety issue.
@@MrMcbear Yeah it does happen but it shouldn't be happening in an indoor shooting range that's for sure.. The whole thing is supposed to be designed to make sure that doesn't happen or mitigate the possibilities which obviously they did not do considering they already knew he was hit by a ricochet as soon as he walked out holding his side which means they need to do something about it if it's happening often
I work at a Range, this is NOT common whatsoever. Never once have we ever had a ricochet. My range has over 6 feet worth of broken rubber that absorbs all bullets and catches them like a baseball mitt does a baseball. This is extremely concerning. I would report this to OSHA. This could get them shutdown immediately.
The problem is when the bullets hit projectiles in the rubber. I've been hit 3 times with ricochets 2 have been indoors. One with a trap that was replaced the day prior. Wear eye pro and keep your mouth shut.
I’ve been hit by a ricochet at an indoor range. It wasn’t my shot though. I’m not sure, but I think someone shot really high and hit the mechanism that runs along the track with your target. Got a nasty bruise on the side of my knee that lasted for weeks. Needless to say, I don’t go to that range anymore. There were just too many people there who have no idea what they were doing.
The backdrops are extremely thick concrete installed at various angles with a large pile of granulated tires multiple feet thick to stop the bullets. There is a lot of engineering that goes into the bullet stops. That's how a lot of indoor ranges that Ive seen are made. No ricochets for me. Ive always heard talk about them when I go.
@@skeery2605 To add: It's when the workers don't do a proper cleanup; and push/shovel all of the rubber that gets knocked out back into the piles. The rubber will get knocked out after time and will open up bare spots of concrete for the bullets to ricochet off of.
I have all my ammo in a sandwich bag with silica pads,and I put it all in a 50 cal case,the ammo last allot longer and you can fit allot more ammo in it.
I've shot 10's of thousands of rounds at indoor ranges over the years and have never had a bullet ricochet and hit me. That is not even remotely normal. Something is up with the design of that particular range.
A friend of mines grandkid was shooting his 44 mag and one of the bullets ricochet off the platform of the target he was shooting at and hit him just above his right eye. It knocked him clear off the chair he was sitting on. Stuff happens
No, it is not normal and any range that has ricochets have someone seriously wrong with them. That's a huge problem and a serious liability for the range.
Hey Dan it’s Colin the old manager from this range it’s definitely a problem even more so with me knowing you are on 13 or 14 just from the vid I tried to get the owners to fix it none stop with absolutely no help I’m sorry brother.. but hey if you need any tactical training or anything that’s what I’m doing now I would now to show you god bless man
@@TheMuffy-k7z 5.56 breaks up into much smaller pieces than most handgun rounds. The chances of a piece coming back and still having enough mass and velocity = kinetic energy to do serious harm to you is close to zero.
Dude, I've put an obscene amount of lead down range at various indoor facilities over the last 20 years and have never had that happen. I'd leave that place in the rearview and NEVER look back.
it is written in the owners manuals of all of my recently purchased handguns. The manufacturers mention that they use a heavier than normal oil when packaging to prevent rust in case the firearm stays in a warehouse unsold for months. So clean and lube it before shooting and prevent load and eject failures.
That's why many indoor ranges have a mound of whatever medium soo you're not firing into pure metal backstop. The fact others have had it happen to them and noone was particularly worried shows how negligent this range is.
Gun is just dry - needs lube. They come lightly lubed from factory but if it’s been on a shelf racked and dry fired before you purcchased it was probably just thirsty.
Every firearm i buy wether new or used. First thing I do is take it home, take it down give it a thorough cleaning,check for burs or castings left from the manufacture, re-lube it ,give it a function test load and unload test then take it out and test it on a range. Seems like a lot of work but it hasn't fail me yet My Grandfather being formal military always said if your hunting,target shooting,or self defence take care of your firearm and it will take care of you!!!
Hey Dan, before I would "crank away" on your optic, try this. It looks like you Canik has high iron sights that should "co- witness" with the optic. Use the irons. Shoot a clean, slow 5 shot group from 5 yards. Bring the target in an evaluate the group. If you think you "pulled" one, shoot another group. SLOWLY! Once you shoot a good group at 5 yards using the irons, set a new the target at 5 yards and with your iron sights, aim at the center X. Note where the optics "dot" is in relation to the irons. Adjust from there. In the manual there will be instructions referencing who much each "click" or "quarter turn" will move the dot. I recommend that if you are still struggling with tight groups and are concerned that the optic may be the trouble, have a qualified gunsmith set them for you. Money well spent. You have peace of mind that the sights are "on" and the rest is operator related. Chasing your sights will never allow you to focus on the fundamentals of stance, grip, sight alignment, sight picture and breathing. Enjoy the journey.
As multi canik model owner. The SFX models were known to have stiff recoil springs and need a break in period of 500-1500 rounds for it to stop sticking with the heavier pound spring. Canik didn't want it to be so weak with the cut slide and such a long barrel. The new mete sfx and rivals have worked a lot of the issues out of it. Also, run higher grain rounds through it the gun LOVES 124 grain and up.
I don't think it's 500-1500, but all caniks are sprung pretty heavy to natively shoot 124 nato, typical break in is 200-300 124 grain nato rounds. Says so in the books. 1500 as a break in is absurd.
Being a vp9 guy. I also stick to 124g. Though if you wanted a cheaper 'break in' just lock the slide to the rear and leave it that way for a week maybe 2. Lube it next outting and should be g2g.
Dan you should get maglula loader, they're a game changer esp if you have hand pain. Also, its pretty common to have snags in the first 500 rounds as the parts wear in together
@jazzzman1000 Weird, I mean you can still use it without the adapter, no? It works great for my Sig P220 Legion in 10mm, that's my only handgun with single stack magazines.
I suggest you store your unloaded pistol with the slide locked back for a week or more and you store your mags for that pistol fully loaded (but separated from the pistol). Every couple of days you should rack the slide a few times and then lock the slide back again. At the end of this waiting period, your pistol's recoil spring will be a bit lighter and the failure to go into battery will hopefully be resolved. Likewise, weakening the spring in each magazine a little by storing the magazines fully loaded should help with the failure to feed. This worked for several of my "problem" pistols. Before I was told to do this, I used to sell perfectly good guns because I believed them to be unreliable when the actual problem was a slightly out of spec recoil or magazine spring (i.e., too heavy/strong). I hope this works for you.
Just a lil advice while ur zeroing ur red dot. If u zero at closer distances like 5-10yds ur point of impact will be high at longer distances. If ur zero at longer distances ur point of impact will be low at shorter distances.Learn ur holdovers/under with ur red dot. Hopefully this helps
That's very interesting. I've never used a red dot, being more into lasers. It just never even occurred to me that the red dot would have the same zeroing issues as lasers. Thanks.
@@BlessedGTimagine trying to make fun of someone who you share a passion with over an elitist take ☠️🤡 Wanting something stealth like crimson trace grips that you wouldn’t even know is on the gun until it’s used is a lot more practical for CC than hoping you didn’t knock your red dot.
Hey Dan, if you’re still in the ATL area, there’s an outdoor range in Waverly, GA called strongpoint that you can go to. That way you don’t have to worry about ricochet from indoor ranges. Just gotta bring a range stapler.
I’m not gonna pretend to be a firearms instructor and try to give out shooting tips like I see all the time. But I just want to say I’ve been shooting for a couple years and thought I was pretty good, my groups are super tight and I can key hole. But I always shot up to the right. I took a pistol shooting 1 course and had an amazing instructor who recognized my bad habits and had me hitting bullseyes like I never had before. I felt like the course was way too basic for me but it was actually extremely helpful. Learning to shoot on your own develops bad habits that are hard to overcome. The class I took was only $60 and well well worth it. And it’s so crazy. I got into your channel for the motovlogs years ago when I was in middle school and I basically stayed for the car content. And in the last couple years I’ve been really into guns. Your channel just aligns with most of my boyish interests 😂
First: If you unload the weapon, check the weapon not your paper target. Do not worry, the target will stay there. Second: If you have some missfire. Wait a few seconds. Keep the weapon pointing down range. Now follow proper unloading procedures. Do not just slam the back of the gun. If you become friends with the gun, you can change towards defensive techniques. Lastly: I liked the way you edited this video!
Personally I have never shot a Gun straight from factory without pulling it apart and properly lubing it up. The Assembly lube will get gritty and cause excessive wear. More than likely the issues you were facing.
I mean he's also like limp arming? Idk what to call that but he's like lifting his arms after every shot, his wrists seem solid but he's like adding recoil which can definitely screw with the force needed to have proper slide function (commonly happens with desert eagles)
... guns are ment to shoot bullets... you dont dust off and lube a hammer befor using it the first time... i have fired thousands of rounds through dozens of hand guns in my life time. I have never needed to clean and lube a new pistol for it to be "safe". Currently own more then 17 firearms from new to old. Proper care is important, but a new gun should not require any sort of "lube" In fact, you void you warrentie on Glock's if you clean/replace the factory lube in the first 1k rounds. Look it up before criticizing my comment.
I was at a local range with a friend here in Tucson AZ about 20+ yrs ago..farthest right lane. Somehow, someone neg discharged and it hit the wall to my right and fragged in my face. The biggest piece, almost the whole bullet, lodged in my neck. Felt like I was punched. It was quite hot, so I quickly grabbed it out. Decent amt of blood, missed my jugular by about 1/8 in. Went immediately to the rangemaster in the office. I showed the big cavity in the concrete wall, and they brushed it off as "a ricochet." Didn't even shut the range down (by law). Well, Jensons Shooting Range has been shut down for years now, so that's good at least. Have the expended round that stuck in my neck on my keychain, for, ya know, good luck I guess. --We The People Holsters makes a great product I'm told, but almost impossible to find a holster for my Sig p229 Scorpion Elite .40..and I've searched. Did find 1. Cheers
Hey there, glad your safe after a mishap that shouldn't have happened. About the gun ftf, I always field strip (brand new) shooter guns clean n lube them and then do so immediately after use. I believe the details r obvious, new parts, break in etc. Maybe try that idk
@@ClaytonF10i remember in a really old vid he mentioned why he holds the gun the way he does. IIRC he had part of his right index finger reattached so it doesn’t work all that well.
@@thathemiguy yea went up and shot guns out of a helicopter. Id love to see him and ak Jesus colab again thats why i want him on unsub so bad and memed the gold ak50
You also need to move your ammunition to the left side of you because the casing that are ejected from the gun can hit the ammunition when falling on the ammunition and they will go off. Will you be wearing a bullet proof vest from now on?
There can be a lot of reasons for a ricochet indoors. Almost everyone who has commented about it is right. It can be a hotspot/buildup of lead in the rubber, it can be faulty design, and it can also be shooter error, especially by other shooters. I worked at and managed a double-decker indoor range, and the craziest ricochet I saw was when a parent let their kid shoot a 300blk when they could barely see over the bench, it bounced 45 degrees off of a vertical support beam, then 45 degrees off of the sidewall, to then hit a customer. If it's a common occurrence, the range should be looking at ways to mitigate the issue, either changing maintenance routines, trap design, rules, etc. But many owners/corporations just dont care because they have waivers.
i shoot indoors a lot, the range i go to gets raked every day so it's less common, but what can happen is a bullet will hit a lead slug or brass jacket at the surface of the backstop and come right back.
A few years ago, I was at an outdoor range. My friend and I were packing up to leave, and it was late fall so, I was wearing my field jacket which was lined. I got punched in the side, and yelled out. My buddy didn't believe me. When I got home and emptied out my pockets, I found a .45 slug in my coat pocket. Still have it.
Dan you might want to clean and lube the pistol, I noticed one issue with your shooting style don’t know if you’re losing concentration or your tiered but as you are going along you start sticking your thumb and then thumbs up in turn that changes the pressure that is being applied to the weapon. So that might be what’s effecting your grouping. But maybe book some time with a pistol instructor.
I second the clean and lube. Like most metal work the lube that comes out of the factory is meant for milling. Once it heats up it can start to gunk up, causing miss fires and failures.
Sticking the thumbs up shouldn't matter with a proper grip anyway, Jerry Miculek doesn't use his thumbs for anything just sticks them out of the way. His biggest problem is he's anticipating and *adding* recoil. A 9mm should never move your arms up that high, even when shooting a desert eagle in .50ae your arms shouldn't be going above your head like his does every shot.
@@Faithfps it’s known as learning and applying proper grip and control remember Dan said it himself he is not a pistol guy, so as not being a proficient shooter with a pistol you would think that learning what is taught to all shooters would be starting with a good foundation. Bet that Miculek taught his daughter to have her thumbs along the frame of the pistol. Guess you should watch his daughter shoot in competitions her thumbs stay down, I wonder why? Could it be she was taught that way by her father.
@@thomasohanlon1060 your thumbs dont have any control on your pistol you just get them out of the way. which is why everyone tells you to "flag" your thumbs. your thumbs offer no help or support in your grip if you have a proper grip. for most people its just comfortable to not have their thumbs sticking up
@@Faithfps that is 100% bs you cannot hold things without your thumbs then there is the problem without counter pressure that the thumbs generate on the opposite parts of the hand. Think you better learn body mechanics.
Yea I was doing my best not to death grip it. I don't have the best feeling in my hands, and its really easy for me to over squeeze things. I def need to tighten it up.
40 years shooting everything at a indoor range and I have never seen or experienced that. There is a few older ranges I know of that specifically say don’t shoot shotguns because they might ricochet. I also have a few ranges that have a bunch of shredded tire type material as a backstop and it works great.
I was shooting my Glock 21 .45 ACP at the range once and the guy beside me tapped me on my shoulder, and then handed me a bent out of shape .45 projectile. I looked at him and shrugged, he then leant forward so I could hear him with the earpro on and said "that just came back and hit me in my foot". I was surprised at how intact the round was, and I didnt even hear a ping or ricochet
The indoor range I go to has this problem too, but only when shooting airguns. We are limited to .22 indoors - or .177 air. Those pellets bounce off of the thin wood backing and fall into the bottom row of stalls. We have a 3-layer 30 stall 15 meter range, and the top left 5 stalls have a system to pull the target line in to 10 meters for airguns.
I was shot with a 45acp in a similar way. It was outdoors and I was shooting a 1911 and my friend had some very old reloaded ammo. The powder had gotten wet or something. When I fired, the bullet hit the railroad ties we used as a backstop, bounced off of them and hit me in the knee. It hurt like hell but didn't break the skin. It was just a 230 grain bullet traveling maybe 200 feet per second.
Quick tip your riding recoil and don't focus on the dot when aiming focus on the target good way to train on this is put some black tape in front of the red dot optic then look at the target with both eyes
@@nate.hanlonwith irons you want to be sight focused. Close your non dominant eye slightly. With a dot have both eyes wide open! Same when shooting a rifle or a shotgun.
@@Cjordanshooting i’ve never tried shooting with both eyes open on a rifle i’ve always closed my non dominant eye. people also say leave both eyes open on a bow but i’ve never done that either but it pretty decent with a bow that’s what i hunt with lol
around the 6:00 when the slide was hanging, you do know you still need to oil the weapon right? There still is metal in there right? It's not all composite. As for the range I am surprised it has not been shut down long before this. Or forced to redo it so there is no chance of any type of ricochet.
A back stop hot spot is when bullets pile in to a spot. Typically, in line with the center of a lane. I have seen 100lbs lumps of bullets come out of back stops. Your round goes down and hits the hotspot and bounces right back at you. I've been on a lot of ranges that had spent bullets on the 25 yard line. The range is at Falt in this case for not doing the upkeep on the backstop.
Professional keyboard warrior here.... Try taking some of the squeezing pressure out of your right hand and compensate with the left. Should still help keep the muzzle down, but taking tension out of your right hand makes consistent trigger presses easier and keeps you from dragging the sights off target with an over fatigued/tensed trigger finger. A pistol instructor told me that once and after a couple hours of dry fire and 100 rounds at the range it shrunk my groups by 50%. I'm no expert but it helped me immensely so maybe it will help you too! Stoked to see you giving MS the finger and doing what you want anyways. Proud of you my guy!
Everybody has different levels of success with different things. The optimal is squeezing super hard with both, but if that causes you to lose trigger control then lighten up on the trigger finger hand.
Worked at an indoor range for a while. We had a fair number, but nothing more serious than a curiosity. Personally had an expanded .45ACP just kind of bounce off my chest and land on the table, not even mine. We had an old steel snail trap that worked great for a couple months at a time before it needed scraping and grinding for all the material sticking to the face. What would happen is lead and copper would start to glom on in chunks and instead of skidding into the snail, a round would eventually hit it and bounce straight up, and then reflect off the sound baffling supports back towards the shooters. They were all "double doink' ricochets with next to no energy left. Wouldn't take much more than a plastic sheet hung ahead of the trap to stop that, I'd think, but then that becomes a serious fire hazard :) All tradeoffs!
I agree with the ricochet issue that it should never happen but also wanted to say that I think you need to take a basic pistol course. If a round doesn't initially chamber you don't smack the slide, that could shove the bullet farther into the case causing an over pressure round and blow up your pistol.
Hey Dan, glad you’re alright. I’ve got a canik mete and I also had some issues with feeding although I think it was more on the failure to eject side. The the 2 solutions that worked for me was my really having a steady hold. Limp wristing was never an issue for me until I started shooting the canik. Idk if it’s because of the grip or the action needing to remain steady. Other than that I took the whole thing apart and took all of the factory oil off and reapplied my own. Now that thing works like a charm. I couldn’t recommend the canik enough, especially if you love a good trigger.
On the hitching when returning to battery - try cleaning and lubing, try breaking it in more, try lubing the magazine, try a different magazine, try different ammo, sometimes try changing your grip but I doubt that one is the issue.
A firmer grip on you pistol will help with FTF/FTE issues. Your arm/grip rigidity needs tightening up. Give your slide firm resistance to operate against. A loose grip absorbs energy needed for the slide to reciprocate properly.
I bought my Canik in 19 and have 1000+ rounds through it now and it even flew out of my holster when I got into my motorcycle crash “it was chambered and didn’t go off” and still shoots flawlessly with the MO2 red dot on it. I asked we the people if they do custom moldings since I have the optic and a TLR 7 on mine and I want to comp it, they said because it wasn’t a mold they have they can’t make it.
Worked at a range for 5 years. Caniks jamming was super common. I usually saw that ammo manufac, and grain weight help best with caniks liking 124gr. Don't over oil / clean as thats a thing. Small drops, then spread by hand is always what i recommend. Another tip on trigger control, don't let the trigger resetting dictate you taking your next shot. Leads to a lot of people slapping the trigger for inconsistent follow up shots. Hope this helps
I bought my first canik about a year ago, the mc9 and all I can say about it is that mine is pretty damn similar. I've had failure to feed issues, failure to eject, slide getting stuck when racking it, etc. I've cleaned and lubed mine many times and cant find a way around it. Not a Glock fanboy at all, but I picked up a gen 5 Glock 19 and have never had those issues. But, I still love my canik, I don't carry it anymore after these issues, but its definently a fun range toy.
i have the Canik Mete MC9 and it has the sticking slide issue as well, i think the feed ramp is a little too steep on the barrels. i also rack the slide with the palm of my hand on the optic. making it so smooth racking a round
well that really stinks! Like, really. His looked to be out of battery. Very fortunate it didn't strike the primer...or kaboom! That sounds worthy of being sent in for repair.
Ammo from a baggie? Is that street ammo laced with fentanyl? Primers do not strike the round. In theory the firing pin strikes the primer causing the powder to ignite and burn and that causes the bullet to leave the case then hopefully exit the barrel. As far as a bullet coming back at you, that is something the range design may be at fault.
Canik really seems to be making some great pistols lately. Great that you shared this with others. It is something we all should be prepared for. Eye protection is even more critical at indoor ranges I believe. I would bet that it just needed to be lubed and shot/cycled more. Seemed like normal new gun, dry, break in, type stuff to me.
If you have smaller hands like me, i found i could keep from pulling a little easier by keeping my index finger pointing at target while pulling with my middle finger. Something about the combination of pointing at something and having more leverage with my other finger made my groupings so much better.
Two things have caused that hang-up on chambering in my past experience: shooting reloaded ammo and a slide/ramp that have not been "worn in". The weapon should always be properly lubricated and that could be a third reason, but a brand new pistol not worn in with a few hundred rounds can cause the ammo to hang up on feeding (or you are using too flat of a nose bullet for THAT particular pistol). Reloaded ammo is a big culprit due to the once-fired cases being fire-formed to the chamber of the original weapon the brass had been fired from not having the same dimensions as your pistol. Example: a pistol with a more loose chamber being used to fire the new ammo will "fire form" the brass to be slightly wider than factory new ammo. This widening of the brass case will cause more friction as your pistol tries to chamber the rounds. I don't know if you are using reloaded ammo in this video, but if so, changing to new ammo might solve the feed issues.
I may be wrong but a good range will have self healing rubber curtain in front of the backstop and catch traps. It avoids such issues by not allowing ricochet of fragments or deformed rounds from coming back.
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I bought a Canik MC9 when it first came out and I had similar issues until I got some rounds through it and cleaned it. The MC9 is a first gen pistol so they also had some issues with the recoil springs (failures to return to battery). They sent me a replacement recoil spring and it has been good ever since. Not sure if you will experience similar with that model but good info to know!
Friendly advice from an expert handgunner: "A good 2-hand grip starts with a good 1-hand grip." Your right thumb is all over the place. Up, down, under, over... grip it correctly with 1-hand. Then find the most comfortable spot for your left hand & thumb. Finally, keep it there. You will do better! Sorry you got hit with some splatter...it's very rare.
Glad your ok, and agree that is a bad range design and i shoot indoors frequently. But the biggest thing with an optic is dont look at the dot look at a small point and when the red flashes over it send it, dots are target focus not sight focus, that and shifting groups is likely due to grip, grip hard with support hand and about a handshake with your right hand.
All guns should be cleaned and lubed before first firing. The still contain some assembly lube to prevent rust and/or corrosion. It could even have a very small metal shaving which could cause a firearm failure.
With a canik run about 500-1000 of 124 grain to get the spring loose, then go down to 115 grain and it'll function alot smoother. Those springs need a little break in.
I have never heard of ricochets at an indoor range. Something wrong with that backstop. Could be your Canik doesn't like that ammo. It didn't. Did you check your ammo to make sure that the boolets were seated properly in the casing? How about rough edges at the case mouth? Check you feed ramp as well.
When you manipulate a hand gun (adjusting the red dot, loading the magazine, not actively shooting etc…), the slide should always be locked back so you can inspect the chamber. The slide is in battery, only when you are ready to fire.
For racking the slide with a dot, hold the gun straight in front of you and upright, reach your left hand over the top (fingers first, not thumb first) with your palm centered over the dot. Rotate your hand pinky-down to catch the front of the optic with the heel of your palm.
When dialing in the optic, try using the sandbag and/or mount so the gun will remain perfectly still while you pull the trigger. This takes the human movement out of the equation. Once dialed that way, if you miss you know it's you and not the optic being off.
1:36 In most cases, if you're a righty and your shots go bottom left, it means your trigger pull isnt smooth enough and that you were anticipating the recoil and still trying to fight back. But in your case, because you have a mounted optic, it really could just be that the optic wasnt zeroed in properly
Have many pistols, the canik sfx is my favorite. Had some issues out of the box as well. Cleaned well and locked the slide open in the safe and worked the slide 20 times a day for one week. That was 2 years ago and I have not had a single malfunction since. I shoot about 500 rounds a month through it.
I have an optic on my carry, I have thr front of the slide milled for serrations to better grab it but if im doing a tap rack or the gun is got I will rack it off the optic, like open palm, thumb up palm towards the optic and slap the thing. It wont affect your zero, unless its a bad optic, I have am rmr so I can beat it on a door and be fine
I bought a Canik Mete Mc9 and I absolutely love that pistol however I had an issue called failure to go into battery looks like yourCanik did the exactsamething. So after shooting a full magazine and half way through my 2nd magazine the slide wouldn't seat all the way which is called failure to go into battery. When I pulled the trigger nothing would happen, the gun didn't fire but the round was still in the chamber. I actually made a video on how to fix that issue. I did some research on it, my channel is Rambo Ray and the video is called, Canik Mete MC9 dead trigger issue, please watch the video of what I did to fix it. One thing I didn't mention in that video because I found out after I made the video is, I had to get a stronger recoil Spring from Kanik, they will send you one for free and now my gun is flawless no issues at all. Great video brother those Canik pistols are actually really nice pistols!
If you're curious about an excellent gun for the price, and minimal trigger reset and is very crisp. try to canic tp9sfx. A does come with several plates to mount aRed Dot.
Definitely let us know where you were at so we can avoid that range. I've gone to Range USA in Jackson TN just about every day from 2009 to 2015 and never had 1 problem. I haven't been able to go do to being 100% disabled and on disability so funds are well nonexistent to say the least.
5:38 caniks are gonna canik Also! Super helpful tricks here. Look up the modern samurai projects wave grip technique. It'll help you a ton on generating some grip on it. I do recommend benching the gun and zeroing that way when you get a chance. Glad youre alright! Another thing thatll help with the dot is either slapping some duct tape or a cover over the FRONT of your sight and leaving the dot visible through the back. Shoot with both eyes open like that. It trains you not to concentrate on the dot, which makes it blurry and makes you jerk shots. Good stuff so far!
1. Ricochet at an indoor range is not common and they need to repair their bullet trap if this is happening. The only ranges I've caught ricochets on where outdoor ranges when firing at poorly hung steel or outdoor ranges in need of backstop maintenance. Even that is pretty rare. 2. I've been shooting Caniks for several years and I'd say this for any new gun. Take it home, CLEAN and LUBE it before firing. Also take some time to learn the gun and it's features. That gun sounded super dry and I'm not saying that it needs to be dripping with oil, only that it needs to be oiled. I usually apply just a little, a drop or 2 on each rail and run the slide by hand a few times, then wipe off any excess. 3. Racking the slide: The best method is to grab the back of the slide with an over hand grip using the pads of your fingers on the right side of the slide and the heel of your hand on the left. Using a Pinch grip like you are doing requires more strength from the hand and is more prone to slip when you're not ready for it. I've tried gripping on the front of the slide before and I find it awkward to say the least and it often has caused me more problems as my hand gets in the way of the ejection port. Also, don't worry about the red dot sight. They are plenty tough. I've seen people actually rack their slides by the red dot with no problems before. I've done this with RMR's, Holosun and Shield red dot sights and never had an issue. 4. I've noticed that every time you clear and unload, that you release the slide. WHY? Just leave it locked open. You're going to be reloading it anyway once you've reloaded the mag. There are some ranges, often outdoor ranges, that require you to clear and ground the guns when they make the range SAFE to set or check targets. Clear and grounded means having the chamber locked open OR having a chamber flag in the gun and laying on the table or ground with the ejection port facing up so it can be checked quickly by the RSO. Clearing ends with the slide open unless you are making it "Rack Safe" for storage. In that case, after clearing, you release the slide forward and dry fire in a safe direction. I store and transport my firearms Rack Safe.
I agree with all your points, and I learned several things thanks to you. In 4., I agree about the slide, I am French, I was wondering if the rules are different in USA, in my country after the shooting the slide must be opened, with a flag in in the chamber. In my opinion, sliding the slide by the end can be dangerous if you are not a professional, the hand or a finger can be fastly in front of the muzzle, especially in stress or simply insisting, do you agree ?
those style of traps are just piled up chunks of rubber. They probably haven't sifted out old lead and copper or replaced smaller rubber pieces a piece bounced back at ya hope they are keeping up with maintaining that back stop
Always lube ur weapon especially for breaking in a new gun .. if ever any thing like ur weapon slide not performing smooth dont just keep shooting stop! and inspect remove slide check friction points clean then lube if u continue shooting through this kind of problem u can damage weapon and can have a catastrophic failier..
For any sort of semi, I have always cleaned and put fresh lube a new or even new to me firearms. The lube that is typically on them is minimal, and more like machining oil. There may even be metal burrs/chips still there from the machining process depending on the manufacturer. As for the ricochet, I'm not certain that it was you - - a new shooter appeared to have joined at the far end of the range towards the wall. My range explicitly prohibits people from shooting short range from the first two (end) positions to prevent this scenario. Typically, the Pistol competition guys shoot these spots because the full length is 50' at our indoor pistol range.
I've been shooting at indoor ranges pretty regularly at least monthly for almost 20 years and I've never heard or seen anyone get hit with a ricochet. I've seen it at outdoor ranges shooting steel, but that is the only times I can think of.
So I've been wanting a Canik as well and from what I've heard there are a couple little issues here and there in the break in period. But I've been told by several Canik owners that it's a brilliant smooth running gun with a fantastic trigger afterwards.
I've had somewhat similar issues with my canik, Lube it and see if that helps. If it doesent, try to change out the recoil spring and see what happens, that did wonders for me and i've shot thousands of rounds after without any failures.
You will have issues like that with most guns new out of the box. Especially if you don’t lube them first. That add minimum lube from the factory before they ship. New guns need a break-in period. 200-300 rounds is what Iv been recommended. After that, with a good cleaning and lubrication, it should run great. If not, it most likely has some sort of a mechanical issue.
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I had that happen trying a 38. Police issue from the 70's. Bruised ribs and alll😊
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As an NRA UK RCO I can definitely say good range control. You can't even be included in a gun fail video when you get hit by the ricochet.
As soon as I heard that I said that is why he got ricochet just because he said something dumb like that
Former Gun Range employee here, ricochet should not even be bought up at an indoor range. This is a bad interior design which they can be sued over. The fact that they said it happens frequently is concerning. Post their name so we know where not to go…
Yeah... this sounds like a range specific issue to me.
Sounds like they don't follow BMP regarding cleaning their trap materials, if this happens frequently, as they claim. I would 100% be bringing that up with management. Huge safety issue.
Looks like a Governors Gun Club but not 100%
@@RobertBeckkI have had it happen with .38. Twice. Two different trips. Same range. A quality range by all accounts .
@@31rd0nit I have had it happen to me twice with a 40. s&w. I was grazed in my right arm (i bled from it) and the other missed.
That's not common at indoor ranges. That range is a danger. Post them so we know where not to go.
Likes the post telling them to post who they are, proceeds to not post who they are
Helpful.
@@Superintendent_Chalmers ikr
Absolutely
Being hit by a ricochet is 100% not normal
Damn it 🤣
No but it does happen more indoors.
@@MrMcbear Yeah it does happen but it shouldn't be happening in an indoor shooting range that's for sure.. The whole thing is supposed to be designed to make sure that doesn't happen or mitigate the possibilities which obviously they did not do considering they already knew he was hit by a ricochet as soon as he walked out holding his side which means they need to do something about it if it's happening often
@@MrMcbearthose ranges get law sutes
@@MrMcbearI’ve worked at an indoor range for 2 years and none of that ever happened. They aren’t managing the cleaning correctly.
I work at a Range, this is NOT common whatsoever. Never once have we ever had a ricochet. My range has over 6 feet worth of broken rubber that absorbs all bullets and catches them like a baseball mitt does a baseball. This is extremely concerning. I would report this to OSHA. This could get them shutdown immediately.
chances are this video will find its way there on its own.
The problem is when the bullets hit projectiles in the rubber. I've been hit 3 times with ricochets 2 have been indoors. One with a trap that was replaced the day prior. Wear eye pro and keep your mouth shut.
I’ve been hit by a ricochet at an indoor range. It wasn’t my shot though. I’m not sure, but I think someone shot really high and hit the mechanism that runs along the track with your target. Got a nasty bruise on the side of my knee that lasted for weeks. Needless to say, I don’t go to that range anymore. There were just too many people there who have no idea what they were doing.
"It happens often"
Excuse me, what? That backdrop made of steel that curves back towards the bays or something? Jesus.
The backdrops are extremely thick concrete installed at various angles with a large pile of granulated tires multiple feet thick to stop the bullets. There is a lot of engineering that goes into the bullet stops.
That's how a lot of indoor ranges that Ive seen are made. No ricochets for me. Ive always heard talk about them when I go.
@@skeery2605 I know lol. That's why the range saying "it happens often" is deeply concerning
Underneath the rubber is also steel sheets and supports holding up that rubber.
@@skeery2605 To add: It's when the workers don't do a proper cleanup; and push/shovel all of the rubber that gets knocked out back into the piles. The rubber will get knocked out after time and will open up bare spots of concrete for the bullets to ricochet off of.
Pulling ammo out a sandwich bag like a snack
Yummy yummy ball ammo
@@DOITWITHDANI love it when the wife packs my lunch
Why not? You only brought 70 rounds and you want it in an ammo can… 😂
I have all my ammo in a sandwich bag with silica pads,and I put it all in a 50 cal case,the ammo last allot longer and you can fit allot more ammo in it.
@@PinoyPewAtbpi think hes caught up in the matrix of the bag being intended for sandwhiches as if its not simply a small plastic bag 😂
I've shot 10's of thousands of rounds at indoor ranges over the years and have never had a bullet ricochet and hit me. That is not even remotely normal. Something is up with the design of that particular range.
Wild I been hit 3 times 😂
A friend of mines grandkid was shooting his 44 mag and one of the bullets ricochet off the platform of the target he was shooting at and hit him just above his right eye. It knocked him clear off the chair he was sitting on. Stuff happens
No, it is not normal and any range that has ricochets have someone seriously wrong with them. That's a huge problem and a serious liability for the range.
10s of thousands seems like a bit of a stretch
@ do you even shoot bro?
Hey Dan it’s Colin the old manager from this range it’s definitely a problem even more so with me knowing you are on 13 or 14 just from the vid I tried to get the owners to fix it none stop with absolutely no help I’m sorry brother.. but hey if you need any tactical training or anything that’s what I’m doing now I would now to show you god bless man
Bro had an aneurysm
Please take him up on training
@@JadedJet Probably typing on a phone. I've noticed punctuation goes out the window a lot of times when it comes to typing on a phone, lol.
@@venomousgas3300😂😂😂
@@JadedJetwhat’s your issue weirdo?
Have you ever thought about just not being unlucky as fuck?
Its never even occurred to me
The channel wouldn't be the same 😅 It justi feels right at this point
@@DOITWITHDAN imagine if that was a 556 coming back might have not been as lucky something’s wrong with that range.
@@TheMuffy-k7z 5.56 breaks up into much smaller pieces than most handgun rounds. The chances of a piece coming back and still having enough mass and velocity = kinetic energy to do serious harm to you is close to zero.
Dude, I've put an obscene amount of lead down range at various indoor facilities over the last 20 years and have never had that happen. I'd leave that place in the rearview and NEVER look back.
This is absolutely not a normal occurrence, and that range needs to be shut down until the backstop is repaired.
it is written in the owners manuals of all of my recently purchased handguns. The manufacturers mention
that they use a heavier than normal oil when packaging to prevent rust in case the firearm stays in
a warehouse unsold for months. So clean and lube it before shooting and prevent load and eject failures.
That's why many indoor ranges have a mound of whatever medium soo you're not firing into pure metal backstop. The fact others have had it happen to them and noone was particularly worried shows how negligent this range is.
Thanks for not censoring anything like loading, and it was interesting seeing you clear that malfunction.
Gun is just dry - needs lube. They come lightly lubed from factory but if it’s been on a shelf racked and dry fired before you purcchased it was probably just thirsty.
Owners disagree about it on the comment section, sayng that the gun prefers heavyer ammo and has a break in period of between 500-1500 rounds
@@Ferrari255GTOno gun should need that much break in! You can hear the gun is dry!
@@22addict40 is it asking for a drink? XD
@@Ferrari255GTOI’ve also owned a Canik TP9 in the past. Break in period is normal but so is lubing the gun, metal on metal contact tends to need it.
@@Ferrari255GTOLol.. You can hear the scraping when he racks the slide. It definitely needed lube
Every firearm i buy wether new or used. First thing I do is take it home, take it down give it a thorough cleaning,check for burs or castings left from the manufacture, re-lube it ,give it a function test load and unload test then take it out and test it on a range.
Seems like a lot of work but it hasn't fail me yet
My Grandfather being formal military always said if your hunting,target shooting,or self defence take care of your firearm and it will take care of you!!!
I buy em at the gun show and go straight out the box to the range. But your grandfather is right, maintaining complex weapon systems is important.
Hey Dan, before I would "crank away" on your optic, try this. It looks like you Canik has high iron sights that should "co- witness" with the optic. Use the irons. Shoot a clean, slow 5 shot group from 5 yards. Bring the target in an evaluate the group. If you think you "pulled" one, shoot another group. SLOWLY! Once you shoot a good group at 5 yards using the irons, set a new the target at 5 yards and with your iron sights, aim at the center X. Note where the optics "dot" is in relation to the irons. Adjust from there. In the manual there will be instructions referencing who much each "click" or "quarter turn" will move the dot. I recommend that if you are still struggling with tight groups and are concerned that the optic may be the trouble, have a qualified gunsmith set them for you. Money well spent. You have peace of mind that the sights are "on" and the rest is operator related. Chasing your sights will never allow you to focus on the fundamentals of stance, grip, sight alignment, sight picture and breathing. Enjoy the journey.
And employ proper grip mechanics, that pistol is moving around way too much when breaking a shot.
As multi canik model owner. The SFX models were known to have stiff recoil springs and need a break in period of 500-1500 rounds for it to stop sticking with the heavier pound spring. Canik didn't want it to be so weak with the cut slide and such a long barrel. The new mete sfx and rivals have worked a lot of the issues out of it. Also, run higher grain rounds through it the gun LOVES 124 grain and up.
I don't think it's 500-1500, but all caniks are sprung pretty heavy to natively shoot 124 nato, typical break in is 200-300 124 grain nato rounds. Says so in the books. 1500 as a break in is absurd.
I also only shoot 124g or higher cause of the springs on the caniks
Being a vp9 guy. I also stick to 124g.
Though if you wanted a cheaper 'break in' just lock the slide to the rear and leave it that way for a week maybe 2. Lube it next outting and should be g2g.
Think he needs to oil the gun too!
why do they get hate online?
Dan you should get maglula loader, they're a game changer esp if you have hand pain. Also, its pretty common to have snags in the first 500 rounds as the parts wear in together
Agree 100%! 👍 I bought 3, it even comes with a small adapter for single stack magazines, absolitely love them.
@@bokiNYC Damn adapter was too small for any of my single stack mags, Shield Plus, M&P 2.0, Hellcat Pro. WTH?
@jazzzman1000 Weird, I mean you can still use it without the adapter, no? It works great for my Sig P220 Legion in 10mm, that's my only handgun with single stack magazines.
@@bokiNYC Yes, it's a little bit loose but works fine on a table or solid surface. Just odd the would make the opening too small for most SS mags.
I suggest you store your unloaded pistol with the slide locked back for a week or more and you store your mags for that pistol fully loaded (but separated from the pistol). Every couple of days you should rack the slide a few times and then lock the slide back again. At the end of this waiting period, your pistol's recoil spring will be a bit lighter and the failure to go into battery will hopefully be resolved. Likewise, weakening the spring in each magazine a little by storing the magazines fully loaded should help with the failure to feed. This worked for several of my "problem" pistols. Before I was told to do this, I used to sell perfectly good guns because I believed them to be unreliable when the actual problem was a slightly out of spec recoil or magazine spring (i.e., too heavy/strong). I hope this works for you.
Just a lil advice while ur zeroing ur red dot. If u zero at closer distances like 5-10yds ur point of impact will be high at longer distances. If ur zero at longer distances ur point of impact will be low at shorter distances.Learn ur holdovers/under with ur red dot. Hopefully this helps
Thanks Jason.
That's very interesting. I've never used a red dot, being more into lasers. It just never even occurred to me that the red dot would have the same zeroing issues as lasers. Thanks.
@@georgegravette1132 imagine using a laser. 😭🤭
At those distances he’s shooting the drop would be nearly imperceptible. You’d need 100 yds to notice a tiny drop from a 10yd zero
@@BlessedGTimagine trying to make fun of someone who you share a passion with over an elitist take ☠️🤡 Wanting something stealth like crimson trace grips that you wouldn’t even know is on the gun until it’s used is a lot more practical for CC than hoping you didn’t knock your red dot.
Pro tip: if the gun is shooting low left don't adjust the dot...... its you.
Unless you're lefty. Then low right same principle. It's still you 😅
He even said he isn't really a pistol guy. Common recoil anticipation.
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Was thinking same thing
@@onlyzuul2199yeah just look at the 2 hand grip position he has. It's horrible.
Hey Dan, if you’re still in the ATL area, there’s an outdoor range in Waverly, GA called strongpoint that you can go to. That way you don’t have to worry about ricochet from indoor ranges. Just gotta bring a range stapler.
East Alabama Gun Club is better. Strongpoint is a good 2nd choice.
@@thefirstkoncept6407 already have a membership at EAGC. I was only informing about Strongpoint cause of the distance from ATL
I’m not gonna pretend to be a firearms instructor and try to give out shooting tips like I see all the time. But I just want to say I’ve been shooting for a couple years and thought I was pretty good, my groups are super tight and I can key hole. But I always shot up to the right. I took a pistol shooting 1 course and had an amazing instructor who recognized my bad habits and had me hitting bullseyes like I never had before. I felt like the course was way too basic for me but it was actually extremely helpful. Learning to shoot on your own develops bad habits that are hard to overcome. The class I took was only $60 and well well worth it. And it’s so crazy. I got into your channel for the motovlogs years ago when I was in middle school and I basically stayed for the car content. And in the last couple years I’ve been really into guns. Your channel just aligns with most of my boyish interests 😂
"But for real though, I can't think of any safer TH-cam gun content than me at the range"
gets shot minutes later
First: If you unload the weapon, check the weapon not your paper target. Do not worry, the target will stay there.
Second: If you have some missfire. Wait a few seconds. Keep the weapon pointing down range. Now follow proper unloading procedures. Do not just slam the back of the gun. If you become friends with the gun, you can change towards defensive techniques.
Lastly: I liked the way you edited this video!
Personally I have never shot a Gun straight from factory without pulling it apart and properly lubing it up. The Assembly lube will get gritty and cause excessive wear. More than likely the issues you were facing.
beat me to it - also a tear down when you get a new gun helps familiarize with its workings/parts.
I mean he's also like limp arming? Idk what to call that but he's like lifting his arms after every shot, his wrists seem solid but he's like adding recoil which can definitely screw with the force needed to have proper slide function (commonly happens with desert eagles)
Glocks seem fine out the box 😂
@@zeroskatersr43s have slide feeding issues out of the box from improper grip a lot of times but
... guns are ment to shoot bullets... you dont dust off and lube a hammer befor using it the first time... i have fired thousands of rounds through dozens of hand guns in my life time. I have never needed to clean and lube a new pistol for it to be "safe". Currently own more then 17 firearms from new to old. Proper care is important, but a new gun should not require any sort of "lube"
In fact, you void you warrentie on Glock's if you clean/replace the factory lube in the first 1k rounds.
Look it up before criticizing my comment.
I was at a local range with a friend here in Tucson AZ about 20+ yrs ago..farthest right lane. Somehow, someone neg discharged and it hit the wall to my right and fragged in my face. The biggest piece, almost the whole bullet, lodged in my neck. Felt like I was punched. It was quite hot, so I quickly grabbed it out. Decent amt of blood, missed my jugular by about 1/8 in. Went immediately to the rangemaster in the office. I showed the big cavity in the concrete wall, and they brushed it off as "a ricochet." Didn't even shut the range down (by law). Well, Jensons Shooting Range has been shut down for years now, so that's good at least.
Have the expended round that stuck in my neck on my keychain, for, ya know, good luck I guess.
--We The People Holsters makes a great product I'm told, but almost impossible to find a holster for my Sig p229 Scorpion Elite .40..and I've searched. Did find 1.
Cheers
Hey there, glad your safe after a mishap that shouldn't have happened.
About the gun ftf, I always field strip (brand new) shooter guns clean n lube them and then do so immediately after use. I believe the details r obvious, new parts, break in etc. Maybe try that idk
Hold the gun like u mean it dan 😅😅
Yea his grip could use a lot of work.
@@ClaytonF10i remember in a really old vid he mentioned why he holds the gun the way he does. IIRC he had part of his right index finger reattached so it doesn’t work all that well.
Needs to first lock that thumb down! smh
@@sethennis3316 You can see around 7:37, you’re right.
diwd back at it again wishing he had a gold AK50 Need him to get on unsub podcast miss the dancast! loved my canik tp9sfx
He had Brandon Herrera make a gold AK for him like 5 or 6 years ago.
@@thathemiguy yea went up and shot guns out of a helicopter. Id love to see him and ak Jesus colab again thats why i want him on unsub so bad and memed the gold ak50
@@killer0034 well you worded it very confusingly my good sir
Love seeing the gun content again! Hopefully TH-cam plays nice cause I would love seeing more of this content
You also need to move your ammunition to the left side of you because the casing that are ejected from the gun can hit the ammunition when falling on the ammunition and they will go off. Will you be wearing a bullet proof vest from now on?
Considering that the bullet broke the skin I'd say you're more, bullet resistant. 😂 Glad you're ok
super glad you’re alive, I recently did this on a livestream with my 5.56 it made me sit back and stick to my edc for a while ..
Polishing the feed ramp really well might help with that feed issue, I've had some pistols that have done that in the past.
yep it will!! also crap ammo will do it as well i had some cheap target ammo that did the same thing Get some better ammo and try it again
i think that may be the problem in my 43x sometimes it feeds odd and gets caught at the very very end
@@jsigafoo yup. i've shot some old crappy reloads that have caused issues, and shot some brand new higher quality ammo that shot great.
There can be a lot of reasons for a ricochet indoors. Almost everyone who has commented about it is right. It can be a hotspot/buildup of lead in the rubber, it can be faulty design, and it can also be shooter error, especially by other shooters. I worked at and managed a double-decker indoor range, and the craziest ricochet I saw was when a parent let their kid shoot a 300blk when they could barely see over the bench, it bounced 45 degrees off of a vertical support beam, then 45 degrees off of the sidewall, to then hit a customer.
If it's a common occurrence, the range should be looking at ways to mitigate the issue, either changing maintenance routines, trap design, rules, etc. But many owners/corporations just dont care because they have waivers.
i shoot indoors a lot, the range i go to gets raked every day so it's less common, but what can happen is a bullet will hit a lead slug or brass jacket at the surface of the backstop and come right back.
A few years ago, I was at an outdoor range.
My friend and I were packing up to leave, and it was late fall so, I was wearing my field jacket which was lined.
I got punched in the side, and yelled out.
My buddy didn't believe me.
When I got home and emptied out my pockets, I found a .45 slug in my coat pocket. Still have it.
Dan you might want to clean and lube the pistol, I noticed one issue with your shooting style don’t know if you’re losing concentration or your tiered but as you are going along you start sticking your thumb and then thumbs up in turn that changes the pressure that is being applied to the weapon. So that might be what’s effecting your grouping.
But maybe book some time with a pistol instructor.
I second the clean and lube. Like most metal work the lube that comes out of the factory is meant for milling. Once it heats up it can start to gunk up, causing miss fires and failures.
Sticking the thumbs up shouldn't matter with a proper grip anyway, Jerry Miculek doesn't use his thumbs for anything just sticks them out of the way. His biggest problem is he's anticipating and *adding* recoil. A 9mm should never move your arms up that high, even when shooting a desert eagle in .50ae your arms shouldn't be going above your head like his does every shot.
@@Faithfps it’s known as learning and applying proper grip and control remember Dan said it himself he is not a pistol guy, so as not being a proficient shooter with a pistol you would think that learning what is taught to all shooters would be starting with a good foundation. Bet that Miculek taught his daughter to have her thumbs along the frame of the pistol. Guess you should watch his daughter shoot in competitions her thumbs stay down, I wonder why? Could it be she was taught that way by her father.
@@thomasohanlon1060 your thumbs dont have any control on your pistol you just get them out of the way. which is why everyone tells you to "flag" your thumbs. your thumbs offer no help or support in your grip if you have a proper grip. for most people its just comfortable to not have their thumbs sticking up
@@Faithfps that is 100% bs you cannot hold things without your thumbs then there is the problem without counter pressure that the thumbs generate on the opposite parts of the hand. Think you better learn body mechanics.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I shot and have training at indoor range many years, ricochet only happens when we shoot steel plates.
Holding that thing so softly 🤣
Yea I was doing my best not to death grip it. I don't have the best feeling in my hands, and its really easy for me to over squeeze things. I def need to tighten it up.
@@DOITWITHDANcan’t really overgrip a pistol. At least not with your support hand.
@@DOITWITHDANI was taught that you’re supposed to deathgrip and then back off until you aren’t shaking lol
Yeah Dan it's not a vag it's a pew pew... lol
40 years shooting everything at a indoor range and I have never seen or experienced that. There is a few older ranges I know of that specifically say don’t shoot shotguns because they might ricochet. I also have a few ranges that have a bunch of shredded tire type material as a backstop and it works great.
I was shooting my Glock 21 .45 ACP at the range once and the guy beside me tapped me on my shoulder, and then handed me a bent out of shape .45 projectile. I looked at him and shrugged, he then leant forward so I could hear him with the earpro on and said "that just came back and hit me in my foot". I was surprised at how intact the round was, and I didnt even hear a ping or ricochet
i have a gen 1 glock 21 things a tank
The indoor range I go to has this problem too, but only when shooting airguns. We are limited to .22 indoors - or .177 air. Those pellets bounce off of the thin wood backing and fall into the bottom row of stalls. We have a 3-layer 30 stall 15 meter range, and the top left 5 stalls have a system to pull the target line in to 10 meters for airguns.
Slide sounds gritty
I was shot with a 45acp in a similar way. It was outdoors and I was shooting a 1911 and my friend had some very old reloaded ammo. The powder had gotten wet or something. When I fired, the bullet hit the railroad ties we used as a backstop, bounced off of them and hit me in the knee. It hurt like hell but didn't break the skin. It was just a 230 grain bullet traveling maybe 200 feet per second.
Quick tip your riding recoil and don't focus on the dot when aiming focus on the target good way to train on this is put some black tape in front of the red dot optic then look at the target with both eyes
i’ve always tried keeping both eyes open when shooting with just iron sights but it fucks with me so hard i see 2 of everything lmao
@@nate.hanlonwith irons you want to be sight focused. Close your non dominant eye slightly. With a dot have both eyes wide open! Same when shooting a rifle or a shotgun.
@@Cjordanshooting i’ve never tried shooting with both eyes open on a rifle i’ve always closed my non dominant eye. people also say leave both eyes open on a bow but i’ve never done that either but it pretty decent with a bow that’s what i hunt with lol
around the 6:00 when the slide was hanging, you do know you still need to oil the weapon right? There still is metal in there right? It's not all composite. As for the range I am surprised it has not been shut down long before this. Or forced to redo it so there is no chance of any type of ricochet.
you can tell alot about someones upbringin, by how many things they keep in sandwich baggies.
Most versatile item on the planet.
False. That would be duct tape. Sandwich bags are the 2nd most versatile items on the planet.
@@NoneYaBidness762 i think thats debatable, but the fairest point to ever be made.
😂😂👍👍
A back stop hot spot is when bullets pile in to a spot. Typically, in line with the center of a lane. I have seen 100lbs lumps of bullets come out of back stops. Your round goes down and hits the hotspot and bounces right back at you. I've been on a lot of ranges that had spent bullets on the 25 yard line. The range is at Falt in this case for not doing the upkeep on the backstop.
TH-cam “not allowed to load guns on video “me “after this video I’m going to go watch some ASMR videos, loading mags“
Professional keyboard warrior here.... Try taking some of the squeezing pressure out of your right hand and compensate with the left. Should still help keep the muzzle down, but taking tension out of your right hand makes consistent trigger presses easier and keeps you from dragging the sights off target with an over fatigued/tensed trigger finger. A pistol instructor told me that once and after a couple hours of dry fire and 100 rounds at the range it shrunk my groups by 50%. I'm no expert but it helped me immensely so maybe it will help you too! Stoked to see you giving MS the finger and doing what you want anyways. Proud of you my guy!
Everybody has different levels of success with different things. The optimal is squeezing super hard with both, but if that causes you to lose trigger control then lighten up on the trigger finger hand.
Dan the Bullet Proof Man!!! Glad you're ok bud
Worked at an indoor range for a while. We had a fair number, but nothing more serious than a curiosity. Personally had an expanded .45ACP just kind of bounce off my chest and land on the table, not even mine. We had an old steel snail trap that worked great for a couple months at a time before it needed scraping and grinding for all the material sticking to the face. What would happen is lead and copper would start to glom on in chunks and instead of skidding into the snail, a round would eventually hit it and bounce straight up, and then reflect off the sound baffling supports back towards the shooters. They were all "double doink' ricochets with next to no energy left.
Wouldn't take much more than a plastic sheet hung ahead of the trap to stop that, I'd think, but then that becomes a serious fire hazard :) All tradeoffs!
If you’re still in the McKinney area. Hit up elm fork in Dallas!! Out door and you can shoot metal targets
That's in Texas not Ga
@@DoubleD_1981 does he not live in Tx?
@zeroskatersr I know elm fork is in texas... not Dallas Ga
@@DoubleD_1981 no I’m saying I thought he lived in McKinney Tx area. Not in Georgia.
I agree with the ricochet issue that it should never happen but also wanted to say that I think you need to take a basic pistol course. If a round doesn't initially chamber you don't smack the slide, that could shove the bullet farther into the case causing an over pressure round and blow up your pistol.
this is why eyepro
No kidding
Also for OOB, squibs and brass to face. Once you get hit in the eye the first time you'll always wear eye pro.
Hey Dan, glad you’re alright. I’ve got a canik mete and I also had some issues with feeding although I think it was more on the failure to eject side. The the 2 solutions that worked for me was my really having a steady hold. Limp wristing was never an issue for me until I started shooting the canik. Idk if it’s because of the grip or the action needing to remain steady. Other than that I took the whole thing apart and took all of the factory oil off and reapplied my own. Now that thing works like a charm. I couldn’t recommend the canik enough, especially if you love a good trigger.
4 views in 42 seconds? Bro fell off.
Only immature idiots use this phrase… “fell off”…. Grow up already.
On the hitching when returning to battery - try cleaning and lubing, try breaking it in more, try lubing the magazine, try a different magazine, try different ammo, sometimes try changing your grip but I doubt that one is the issue.
A firmer grip on you pistol will help with FTF/FTE issues. Your arm/grip rigidity needs tightening up. Give your slide firm resistance to operate against. A loose grip absorbs energy needed for the slide to reciprocate properly.
I bought my Canik in 19 and have 1000+ rounds through it now and it even flew out of my holster when I got into my motorcycle crash “it was chambered and didn’t go off” and still shoots flawlessly with the MO2 red dot on it. I asked we the people if they do custom moldings since I have the optic and a TLR 7 on mine and I want to comp it, they said because it wasn’t a mold they have they can’t make it.
Worked at a range for 5 years. Caniks jamming was super common. I usually saw that ammo manufac, and grain weight help best with caniks liking 124gr. Don't over oil / clean as thats a thing. Small drops, then spread by hand is always what i recommend. Another tip on trigger control, don't let the trigger resetting dictate you taking your next shot. Leads to a lot of people slapping the trigger for inconsistent follow up shots. Hope this helps
I bought my first canik about a year ago, the mc9 and all I can say about it is that mine is pretty damn similar. I've had failure to feed issues, failure to eject, slide getting stuck when racking it, etc. I've cleaned and lubed mine many times and cant find a way around it. Not a Glock fanboy at all, but I picked up a gen 5 Glock 19 and have never had those issues. But, I still love my canik, I don't carry it anymore after these issues, but its definently a fun range toy.
i have the Canik Mete MC9 and it has the sticking slide issue as well, i think the feed ramp is a little too steep on the barrels.
i also rack the slide with the palm of my hand on the optic. making it so smooth racking a round
well that really stinks!
Like, really.
His looked to be out of battery. Very fortunate it didn't strike the primer...or kaboom!
That sounds worthy of being sent in for repair.
Ammo from a baggie? Is that street ammo laced with fentanyl? Primers do not strike the round. In theory the firing pin strikes the primer causing the powder to ignite and burn and that causes the bullet to leave the case then hopefully exit the barrel. As far as a bullet coming back at you, that is something the range design may be at fault.
Canik really seems to be making some great pistols lately. Great that you shared this with others. It is something we all should be prepared for. Eye protection is even more critical at indoor ranges I believe. I would bet that it just needed to be lubed and shot/cycled more. Seemed like normal new gun, dry, break in, type stuff to me.
If you have smaller hands like me, i found i could keep from pulling a little easier by keeping my index finger pointing at target while pulling with my middle finger. Something about the combination of pointing at something and having more leverage with my other finger made my groupings so much better.
Two things have caused that hang-up on chambering in my past experience: shooting reloaded ammo and a slide/ramp that have not been "worn in".
The weapon should always be properly lubricated and that could be a third reason, but a brand new pistol not worn in with a few hundred rounds can cause the ammo to hang up on feeding (or you are using too flat of a nose bullet for THAT particular pistol).
Reloaded ammo is a big culprit due to the once-fired cases being fire-formed to the chamber of the original weapon the brass had been fired from not having the same dimensions as your pistol.
Example: a pistol with a more loose chamber being used to fire the new ammo will "fire form" the brass to be slightly wider than factory new ammo. This widening of the brass case will cause more friction as your pistol tries to chamber the rounds.
I don't know if you are using reloaded ammo in this video, but if so, changing to new ammo might solve the feed issues.
I may be wrong but a good range will have self healing rubber curtain in front of the backstop and catch traps. It avoids such issues by not allowing ricochet of fragments or deformed rounds from coming back.
bro, I've been using we the people holsters since my first handgun! Im 23 now and every single one of my handguns that I carry have a we the people holster. I haven't tried any other brand of holste. i need to get one for my Glock 20sf but currently don't have the funds, so thank you for the discount!!!
I bought a Canik MC9 when it first came out and I had similar issues until I got some rounds through it and cleaned it. The MC9 is a first gen pistol so they also had some issues with the recoil springs (failures to return to battery). They sent me a replacement recoil spring and it has been good ever since. Not sure if you will experience similar with that model but good info to know!
Friendly advice from an expert handgunner: "A good 2-hand grip starts with a good 1-hand grip." Your right thumb is all over the place. Up, down, under, over... grip it correctly with 1-hand. Then find the most comfortable spot for your left hand & thumb. Finally, keep it there. You will do better! Sorry you got hit with some splatter...it's very rare.
Glad your ok, and agree that is a bad range design and i shoot indoors frequently. But the biggest thing with an optic is dont look at the dot look at a small point and when the red flashes over it send it, dots are target focus not sight focus, that and shifting groups is likely due to grip, grip hard with support hand and about a handshake with your right hand.
All guns should be cleaned and lubed before first firing. The still contain some assembly lube to prevent rust and/or corrosion. It could even have a very small metal shaving which could cause a firearm failure.
With a canik run about 500-1000 of 124 grain to get the spring loose, then go down to 115 grain and it'll function alot smoother. Those springs need a little break in.
I have never heard of ricochets at an indoor range. Something wrong with that backstop. Could be your Canik doesn't like that ammo. It didn't. Did you check your ammo to make sure that the boolets were seated properly in the casing? How about rough edges at the case mouth? Check you feed ramp as well.
When you manipulate a hand gun (adjusting the red dot, loading the magazine, not actively shooting etc…), the slide should always be locked back so you can inspect the chamber. The slide is in battery, only when you are ready to fire.
For racking the slide with a dot, hold the gun straight in front of you and upright, reach your left hand over the top (fingers first, not thumb first) with your palm centered over the dot. Rotate your hand pinky-down to catch the front of the optic with the heel of your palm.
When dialing in the optic, try using the sandbag and/or mount so the gun will remain perfectly still while you pull the trigger. This takes the human movement out of the equation. Once dialed that way, if you miss you know it's you and not the optic being off.
1:36 In most cases, if you're a righty and your shots go bottom left, it means your trigger pull isnt smooth enough and that you were anticipating the recoil and still trying to fight back. But in your case, because you have a mounted optic, it really could just be that the optic wasnt zeroed in properly
I have a canik tp9 combat, and it stuck a little on the first outing. I gave it a good clean and lube, then took it out again with no snags.
Its always a good idea to strip and lube new guns. Ive heard the assembly oil/film they use isnt good enough to run, only for rust protection.
Have many pistols, the canik sfx is my favorite. Had some issues out of the box as well. Cleaned well and locked the slide open in the safe and worked the slide 20 times a day for one week. That was 2 years ago and I have not had a single malfunction since. I shoot about 500 rounds a month through it.
I have an optic on my carry, I have thr front of the slide milled for serrations to better grab it but if im doing a tap rack or the gun is got I will rack it off the optic, like open palm, thumb up palm towards the optic and slap the thing. It wont affect your zero, unless its a bad optic, I have am rmr so I can beat it on a door and be fine
I bought a Canik Mete Mc9 and I absolutely love that pistol however I had an issue called failure to go into battery looks like yourCanik did the exactsamething. So after shooting a full magazine and half way through my 2nd magazine the slide wouldn't seat all the way which is called failure to go into battery. When I pulled the trigger nothing would happen, the gun didn't fire but the round was still in the chamber. I actually made a video on how to fix that issue. I did some research on it, my channel is Rambo Ray and the video is called, Canik Mete MC9 dead trigger issue, please watch the video of what I did to fix it. One thing I didn't mention in that video because I found out after I made the video is, I had to get a stronger recoil Spring from Kanik, they will send you one for free and now my gun is flawless no issues at all. Great video brother those Canik pistols are actually really nice pistols!
If you're curious about an excellent gun for the price, and minimal trigger reset and is very crisp. try to canic tp9sfx. A does come with several plates to mount aRed Dot.
Definitely let us know where you were at so we can avoid that range. I've gone to Range USA in Jackson TN just about every day from 2009 to 2015 and never had 1 problem. I haven't been able to go do to being 100% disabled and on disability so funds are well nonexistent to say the least.
5:38 caniks are gonna canik
Also! Super helpful tricks here. Look up the modern samurai projects wave grip technique. It'll help you a ton on generating some grip on it. I do recommend benching the gun and zeroing that way when you get a chance. Glad youre alright! Another thing thatll help with the dot is either slapping some duct tape or a cover over the FRONT of your sight and leaving the dot visible through the back. Shoot with both eyes open like that. It trains you not to concentrate on the dot, which makes it blurry and makes you jerk shots. Good stuff so far!
1. Ricochet at an indoor range is not common and they need to repair their bullet trap if this is happening. The only ranges I've caught ricochets on where outdoor ranges when firing at poorly hung steel or outdoor ranges in need of backstop maintenance. Even that is pretty rare.
2. I've been shooting Caniks for several years and I'd say this for any new gun. Take it home, CLEAN and LUBE it before firing. Also take some time to learn the gun and it's features. That gun sounded super dry and I'm not saying that it needs to be dripping with oil, only that it needs to be oiled. I usually apply just a little, a drop or 2 on each rail and run the slide by hand a few times, then wipe off any excess.
3. Racking the slide: The best method is to grab the back of the slide with an over hand grip using the pads of your fingers on the right side of the slide and the heel of your hand on the left. Using a Pinch grip like you are doing requires more strength from the hand and is more prone to slip when you're not ready for it. I've tried gripping on the front of the slide before and I find it awkward to say the least and it often has caused me more problems as my hand gets in the way of the ejection port. Also, don't worry about the red dot sight. They are plenty tough. I've seen people actually rack their slides by the red dot with no problems before. I've done this with RMR's, Holosun and Shield red dot sights and never had an issue.
4. I've noticed that every time you clear and unload, that you release the slide. WHY? Just leave it locked open. You're going to be reloading it anyway once you've reloaded the mag. There are some ranges, often outdoor ranges, that require you to clear and ground the guns when they make the range SAFE to set or check targets. Clear and grounded means having the chamber locked open OR having a chamber flag in the gun and laying on the table or ground with the ejection port facing up so it can be checked quickly by the RSO. Clearing ends with the slide open unless you are making it "Rack Safe" for storage. In that case, after clearing, you release the slide forward and dry fire in a safe direction. I store and transport my firearms Rack Safe.
I agree with all your points, and I learned several things thanks to you. In 4., I agree about the slide, I am French, I was wondering if the rules are different in USA, in my country after the shooting the slide must be opened, with a flag in in the chamber. In my opinion, sliding the slide by the end can be dangerous if you are not a professional, the hand or a finger can be fastly in front of the muzzle, especially in stress or simply insisting, do you agree ?
those style of traps are just piled up chunks of rubber. They probably haven't sifted out old lead and copper or replaced smaller rubber pieces a piece bounced back at ya hope they are keeping up with maintaining that back stop
Always lube ur weapon especially for breaking in a new gun .. if ever any thing like ur weapon slide not performing smooth dont just keep shooting stop! and inspect remove slide check friction points clean then lube if u continue shooting through this kind of problem u can damage weapon and can have a catastrophic failier..
Nice video Dan. Glad you’re okay bud. Keep training 🤝
For any sort of semi, I have always cleaned and put fresh lube a new or even new to me firearms. The lube that is typically on them is minimal, and more like machining oil. There may even be metal burrs/chips still there from the machining process depending on the manufacturer. As for the ricochet, I'm not certain that it was you - - a new shooter appeared to have joined at the far end of the range towards the wall. My range explicitly prohibits people from shooting short range from the first two (end) positions to prevent this scenario. Typically, the Pistol competition guys shoot these spots because the full length is 50' at our indoor pistol range.
I've been shooting at indoor ranges pretty regularly at least monthly for almost 20 years and I've never heard or seen anyone get hit with a ricochet. I've seen it at outdoor ranges shooting steel, but that is the only times I can think of.
So I've been wanting a Canik as well and from what I've heard there are a couple little issues here and there in the break in period. But I've been told by several Canik owners that it's a brilliant smooth running gun with a fantastic trigger afterwards.
I've had somewhat similar issues with my canik, Lube it and see if that helps.
If it doesent, try to change out the recoil spring and see what happens, that did wonders for me and i've shot thousands of rounds after without any failures.
You will have issues like that with most guns new out of the box. Especially if you don’t lube them first. That add minimum lube from the factory before they ship.
New guns need a break-in period. 200-300 rounds is what Iv been recommended.
After that, with a good cleaning and lubrication, it should run great. If not, it most likely has some sort of a mechanical issue.