We all know that given enough time and the right tools, any safe can be cracked. The key is to present enough inconvenience to the burglar to convince him to seek an easier target.
Let me tell you something, thief’s aren’t gonna carry a hydraulic pump and cylinder into your house, they are gonna use a Milwaukee cordless grinder and a box of cutting wheels. The Best safe is one nobody knows about but you
Of course. However the next best safe is one that not only uses steel but also a special concrete containing corundum and other stuff to not only make it very tough on cutting tools but also armoured against hammering attacks. Most of these US safes doesn't fare very well on the EN1143-1 standard. That said these true safes with steel and concrete construction are also in quite another price and weight class.
Agreed, but if you are a 2A advocate, then the neighborhood will know you have guns, and the only option is to get a security system and a half dozen cameras. Lucky, today, this stuff isn't very expensive, certainly not more than a single quality firearm.
Yup just saw a video of one of these that got pried open and that edge totally bent out of the way. Totally useless test here since that's a common failure point on thin safes.
To prevent entry by cutting torch, you laminate the walls with 1/4" Teflon. Burning produces a toxic gas which will kill the burglar, you find him in the morning and everybody is happy!
The side armor is still a major concern for buyers who are purchasing a safe for both fire and burglary protection. Of the powered tool attacks, a grinder is a likely candidate. Most gun safes don't have enough armor to provide any level of meaningful protection, and the composite material they tend to use generally isn't the high-density matrix that is intended to damage tooling in an attack. IIRC, Liberty allows armor customizations that go as high as 1/4-inch armor on the side, which is about 3 gauge. This, with a 1/2 inch of solid steel on the door paired with a Group 2 or Group 2M lock, is a good level of armor for a smaller-intermediate level of values, with substantial protection against hand tooled attacks, and very limited protection against powered tool attacks.
Fort Knox does, liberty's best safe is only 7 gauge with 1/4 plate on door, or 10 with 3/8. I wish they offered more options for steel. The National Security line is your best choice with them. I use to have a Winchester safe the handle broke working in the metal fab world I brought a nibbler home drilled a 3/8 hole cut open all the seams in around 5 mins. Salvaged all 3 sides of sheet metal for other projects... A safes worst night mare is a nibbler unless its at least 3/16 on body..
I don't get it...this proves nothing. Anyone with a grinder will be in any of these safes within minutes. No one shows up to break into a safe with a hydraulic press.
Plus you can use the door and the locking bars as a defensive plate between you and another shooter/intruder in your home. My safe is in my bedroom right next to me.😎🇺🇸
Meaningless test with those 90 degrees V shage steel holding "reinforcing"the door frame. If the steel thickness is not greater than 1/4 inch plate steel, it's not a safe, it a RSC, residential security container. More than 1/4 plate body and 1/2 inch plate door you just entered B-rate burglary resistant safe level. Also, most of these metal box wrap around fire boards have weak door frame, because hey are not solid steel bar stock door frame. What ever the gauge steel thickness, usually 2-3mm range thickness, that's the only thing holding the bolt and dead bolt.
For the money, these Liberty safes are as good a means of keeping burglars from taking the contents of your safe as anything in the consumer market. But when your safe budget is covered by the government rather than your own income, you can get into MUCH tougher safes that Liberty's pulling fixture can handle. It would probably self-destruct on before getting them open.
This video is rigged. Liberty safe are box store specials. Better off with a stack on safe. Stack on probably makes them for liberty anyway. Unless you have want a good safe. Buy champion, Kodiak. Pretty anything but a Liberty.
@@jpoppinga8417Not to mention liberty safe is owned by a bunch of liberty hating anti 2a silicone valley garbage. They have already gave the backdoor access code to all of the digital safes to the FBI WITH NO WARRENT. I would feel more safe with a gun safe made by the A.T.F. Anyone trying to sell one or brag them up should be put in prision for crimes against humanity.
I’d rather see a fire test . Id like to know if the firearms and valuables survive the heat and water exposure and the chemicals being released when being exposed to the heat.
Any safe is a tin can with drywall inside acting as a heat shield. A $29.95 Harbor Freight angle grinder will cut through the side wall of a safe in fifteen minutes or less.
You are correct. But are you suggesting that someone should not lock up their firearms or valuables? An angle grinder or torch is meant to cut steel. With that being said, how many burglars are breaking into homes with metal grinders or torches? Not to mention house fires. This couple was sure glad that they had their valuables locked in a Liberty safe when their home went up in flames. th-cam.com/video/JT7S8RN2ZkE/w-d-xo.html
@@silverpro8356 In this video they are talking about Liberty Safes which usually only have 11 or 12 gauge steel and something similar to drywall inside for fire heat resistance. I have seen them cut open and pealed like a tin can using a saws-all and a metal cutting blade or angle grinder. There are videos on youtube of this. not putting down Liberty, that is just a fact of safes in that price range. You may want to do a little more research. th-cam.com/video/F7k4q3b2q1o/w-d-xo.html
Pretty nice, but.... Does it really matter in the event of a burglary? The most likely attack will be an angle grinder and that thin steel doesn't stand a chance even though it can stand a hefty pull. Heck even just a drill and a jigsaw will do the job in reasonable amount of time. Get a decent EN1143-1 rated safe instead if you value your valuables!
If you have a Liberty safe the best place to put your valuables is inside of a Woodpeckers nest in your back yard so the FBI doesn't find it when Liberty gives them the combination.
All of the sudden everyone’s a gun safe expert! of course they can all be cut into. The safe buys you time none of them say they are theft proof. More than likely the cops will show up or your poor out of shape self will tire out. Or more commonly these days the camera will alert the owner and bullets get there a lot faster than police do. So have fun as good luck 😂
dumb test.. liberty best safe is the best they have and comparing it to cheaper ones... yeea thats fair. now look up champion ans superior safes and youll see how cheap liberty really is.
The second safe was a Champion! They use a laminated steel door and it busted apart during our test! But never the less they do make a better safe than Cannon!
@@MikeWardsliberty yeq which champion? The cheapest 12 gauge model? How about the crown or even untouchable by superior which is champion higher model. Liberty doesnt even go to 1/4 thick.
We are very aware of all of their models we are simply saying head to head Liberty for the money is the best safe on the market. Fort Knox, Browning, and Champion / Superior all make great safes but Liberty has found a way to do it better in most cases and for less money than any other American made company out there.
@@xeroxboy01 the colonial series isnt liberty's best model. The have a chart from 1 to 5 on the security level of each safe they produced and the colonial is only a 2 out of 5. It's also made from 11 gauge steel. I know this because I own one.
Sorry, but once you gave the master code to the Feds, without them giving you a warrant, that is when no one will trust Liberty Safes and it will wither away, for the stupidity of what they have done. If I am going to buy a safe, I will want one that has a old analog tumbler combination lock.
These videos are fun to watch but they really don't prove anything. As someone in the market for a safe this video does nothing to push me one way or the other. As for liberty. I've seen the "safes" they are selling. The filing cabinet sheet metal they are made of that can be deformed with two fingers. Then I'm told that liberty has "two lines" and the ones I'm looking at are their cheap line. Hmm. Sounds a lot like a certain other brand name that'll I'll have nothing to do with. As of right now my short list is Browning or Kodiak.
Browning seems to have a little better fire rating for the same price range form what I’ve seen. Problem is I bet you have to spend big money for it to actually save your stuff in a fire.
Honestly there's not a safe out there that my plasma torch won't cut through haha or a nice grinder and some bars if a robber is breaking into your home he ain't gonna have them tools ready for a safe cracking the robber will be more focused on jewelry tools and TVS and shit like that I remember I was a kid and there was an abandoned house up on the hill so we went in there and people stole Damm near everything outta that place but the safe was still there haha
Plasma torch will not cut through concrete insulation or even a fiberglass mat for that matter. Also a plasma torch will not melt/burn everything in the safe. All it takes is a small air gap that the spark cant jump to stop the plasma torch from getting through so by the time you get through the first layer and chip the insulation out you will have accessed the second steel layer and the cops will be outside waiting for you. Safes do not stop the most determined thieves, they merely delay the theft so you have more time for the cops to show up.
@@1FAST91SONOMA bull i could get into any safe with my power tools under 30 mins without a tourch... Just gotta find out what time they leave for work and come home simple as that all they gotta do is watch ur house 🤣 if they know u have a safe and come ready trust me your shit gonna be gone
With all the time and tools in the world anyone can accomplish anything. They can bring any tools they want but I dont make it easy. My security system is top notch and I can have the cops to my house in 7 minutes if I'm not there to deal with the moron dragging a wagon full of tools myself.
@@stanleyhowe4320 There are safes with a pretty substantial level of resistance against both power tool and torch attacks (they cost a lot more than the ones shown in this video, and weigh 5-10x as much). Paired with the correct alarm system, one can make it so even a skilled attacker probably won't have enough time.
Plasma torches don't work in all materials. Plus there are means of resisting thermal attacks. A thick layer of copper in the sandwich construction works well. Load up the copper with chunks of tungsten carbide, boron carbide, even used diamond surfaced indexable cutting inserts, and you have a material that will destroy anything that tries to cut it. You're now in the range of a vault that is close to impossible to open without destroying the contents. The most certain high tech way to defeat all defenses and not destroy the safe contents is the recirculating diamond wire saw method. If you can bring the safe to the cutting fixture. FIrst line of defense...be sure to bolt the safe to the floor with some serious hardware. A safe you can pick up and drag out is just a heavy box full of goodies to be stolen.
Get a Fort Knox or an American Security safe. Much better made safes than Liberty. Once you pick out the safe you want. Get a bigger one. You will run out of room before you know it.
Destroyed three safes to prove mine better than yours. Stupid demo.! I can open the safe within 30 min sides or the back. And replace the open plate in 30 min.
Really? No safe is 100% bullet proof period ! Don't believe any safe you buy assure 's your valuables when the right tools are available to make short work of your safe period . But your safe should be only part of your security and alarm system.
What they didn’t tell you is that they maintain a backdoor passcode to be able to get into your safe without any torture at all.
That the government already has.
If they want in your safe, they will get in your safe.
@@Jason-id8nc no safe is safe against a determined attacker. Might as well just have a lockable steel locker. It’ll keep the same people out.
No one is pulling the door open. They are cutting through the thin metal side.
We all know that given enough time and the right tools, any safe can be cracked. The key is to present enough inconvenience to the burglar to convince him to seek an easier target.
Let me tell you something, thief’s aren’t gonna carry a hydraulic pump and cylinder into your house, they are gonna use a Milwaukee cordless grinder and a box of cutting wheels. The Best safe is one nobody knows about but you
Of course.
However the next best safe is one that not only uses steel but also a special concrete containing corundum and other stuff to not only make it very tough on cutting tools but also armoured against hammering attacks. Most of these US safes doesn't fare very well on the EN1143-1 standard. That said these true safes with steel and concrete construction are also in quite another price and weight class.
If you have a safe with steel and filled with concrete its going to wreck their blades and make it incredibly hard for them to get into.
Agreed, but if you are a 2A advocate, then the neighborhood will know you have guns, and the only option is to get a security system and a half dozen cameras. Lucky, today, this stuff isn't very expensive, certainly not more than a single quality firearm.
That doesn’t mean we have to help the country go down the drain and buy a safe from a company known to support the people pulling the plug.
@@eightycubicft That's fair.
I would like to see the pull test done without the angle iron support over the door frame edge. I'm sure the numbers would be much lower.
…on all three though.
Yup just saw a video of one of these that got pried open and that edge totally bent out of the way. Totally useless test here since that's a common failure point on thin safes.
To prevent entry by cutting torch, you laminate the walls with 1/4" Teflon. Burning produces a toxic gas which will kill the burglar, you find him in the morning and everybody is happy!
John Debest no shit. That’s awesome.
Awesome fucking idea. Someone will use that now and make a million from your idea. Just saying. Loose lips sink ships.
You found nobody. Pay no attention to that freshly dug up spot in the yard that's about man sized. (Half man sized, if you split him at the waist.)
The side armor is still a major concern for buyers who are purchasing a safe for both fire and burglary protection. Of the powered tool attacks, a grinder is a likely candidate. Most gun safes don't have enough armor to provide any level of meaningful protection, and the composite material they tend to use generally isn't the high-density matrix that is intended to damage tooling in an attack. IIRC, Liberty allows armor customizations that go as high as 1/4-inch armor on the side, which is about 3 gauge. This, with a 1/2 inch of solid steel on the door paired with a Group 2 or Group 2M lock, is a good level of armor for a smaller-intermediate level of values, with substantial protection against hand tooled attacks, and very limited protection against powered tool attacks.
Fort Knox does, liberty's best safe is only 7 gauge with 1/4 plate on door, or 10 with 3/8. I wish they offered more options for steel. The National Security line is your best choice with them. I use to have a Winchester safe the handle broke working in the metal fab world I brought a nibbler home drilled a 3/8 hole cut open all the seams in around 5 mins. Salvaged all 3 sides of sheet metal for other projects... A safes worst night mare is a nibbler unless its at least 3/16 on body..
I don't get it...this proves nothing. Anyone with a grinder will be in any of these safes within minutes. No one shows up to break into a safe with a hydraulic press.
Any safe can be cut into
I would just get a champion t21 they're not as pricey but they are solid steel not that rolled sheet metal like on a liberty
Add a can of black powder and a sticker advertising it on the exterior. Thieves won’t survive a spark
Actually most thieves use very large pry bars and hammers. The hydraulic is a demonstration of how hard it would be for them to pry it open.
ACTUALLY THE SECOND SAFE WAS A CHAMPION AND THE DOOR IS LAMINATED STEEL NOT SOLID STEEL!
A safe should be only one part of your home security and protection
Plus you can use the door and the locking bars as a defensive plate between you and another shooter/intruder in your home. My safe is in my bedroom right next to me.😎🇺🇸
Meaningless test with those 90 degrees V shage steel holding "reinforcing"the door frame. If the steel thickness is not greater than 1/4 inch plate steel, it's not a safe, it a RSC, residential security container.
More than 1/4 plate body and 1/2 inch plate door you just entered B-rate burglary resistant safe level.
Also, most of these metal box wrap around fire boards have weak door frame, because hey are not solid steel bar stock door frame. What ever the gauge steel thickness, usually 2-3mm range thickness, that's the only thing holding the bolt and dead bolt.
For the money, these Liberty safes are as good a means of keeping burglars from taking the contents of your safe as anything in the consumer market. But when your safe budget is covered by the government rather than your own income, you can get into MUCH tougher safes that Liberty's pulling fixture can handle. It would probably self-destruct on before getting them open.
This video is rigged.
Liberty safe are box store specials. Better off with a stack on safe. Stack on probably makes them for liberty anyway.
Unless you have want a good safe. Buy champion, Kodiak. Pretty anything but a Liberty.
THE goverment has the safe to evert liberty safe ever made.
@@jpoppinga8417Not to mention liberty safe is owned by a bunch of liberty hating anti 2a silicone valley garbage. They have already gave the backdoor access code to all of the digital safes to the FBI WITH NO WARRENT. I would feel more safe with a gun safe made by the A.T.F. Anyone trying to sell one or brag them up should be put in prision for crimes against humanity.
THE GOVERNENT wants you to have a liberty safe they already have the combination for.
Liberty Safes are easy for the FBI to open. All the FBI has to do is call Liberty for the combination.
I’d rather see a fire test . Id like to know if the firearms and valuables survive the heat and water exposure and the chemicals being released when being exposed to the heat.
Any safe is a tin can with drywall inside acting as a heat shield. A $29.95 Harbor Freight angle grinder will cut through the side wall of a safe in fifteen minutes or less.
You are correct. But are you suggesting that someone should not lock up their firearms or valuables? An angle grinder or torch is meant to cut steel. With that being said, how many burglars are breaking into homes with metal grinders or torches? Not to mention house fires. This couple was sure glad that they had their valuables locked in a Liberty safe when their home went up in flames. th-cam.com/video/JT7S8RN2ZkE/w-d-xo.html
Your wrong good safes have cut resistance and concrete that actually ruins blades . Do more research pls.
@@silverpro8356 In this video they are talking about Liberty Safes which usually only have 11 or 12 gauge steel and something similar to drywall inside for fire heat resistance. I have seen them cut open and pealed like a tin can using a saws-all and a metal cutting blade or angle grinder. There are videos on youtube of this. not putting down Liberty, that is just a fact of safes in that price range. You may want to do a little more research.
th-cam.com/video/F7k4q3b2q1o/w-d-xo.html
Pretty nice, but....
Does it really matter in the event of a burglary? The most likely attack will be an angle grinder and that thin steel doesn't stand a chance even though it can stand a hefty pull. Heck even just a drill and a jigsaw will do the job in reasonable amount of time.
Get a decent EN1143-1 rated safe instead if you value your valuables!
Most good safes are filled with a type of concrete that wrecks angle grinders blades.
I sure am glad I made some popcorn before I watched this! How exciting!!
a safe is not a safe when the company hands over the master code.
Liberty Safes should be re-name to Tory Federal Government Safe.
If you have a Liberty safe the best place to put your valuables is inside of a Woodpeckers nest in your back yard so the FBI doesn't find it when Liberty gives them the combination.
Yup, test a #STURDYSAFE
They forgot to demonstrate the backdoor access code they will hand over to law enforcement. (Check out their name in the news lol)
LAW ENFORCEMENT ALREADY HAS IT ITS THE SAME.
Most burgers cut through the sides or top to enter a safe. On top of that no person is going to even get close to 6000 pounds of pry force.
THIS SAFE DOESNT NEED TO BE TOURCHERED THEY CAN JUST CALL THE GOVERMENT HAS THE ACCESS CODE FOR IT
I don’t use hydraulic to open safes ‼️‼️ if it’s electrical or mechanical it can be open easily ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
I dont know what poopoobear is talking about. I put my wifes prized poodle in my liberty safe and she still hasnt gotten it out. 3 years and counting!
LA-ITSFLAT lol
Bet it was fun to see the humidity spike followed by a gradual decrease.
Just call Liberty and tell them you are the feds and they'll open it for you.
All of the sudden everyone’s a gun safe expert! of course they can all be cut into. The safe buys you time none of them say they are theft proof. More than likely the cops will show up or your poor out of shape self will tire out. Or more commonly these days the camera will alert the owner and bullets get there a lot faster than police do. So have fun as good luck 😂
Hang on let us just reinforce the frame of our safe with 5 times the amount of steel before we show how strong our safe is from a pry attack.
And the winner once again is Harbor Frieght!
huwhat?
No, the winner is Sturdy. Same money as Liberty but 2X as much metal. Zero drywall nonsense
Rhino safes with safex are the strongest!
If a company needs to show boat to convince you to buy their product, its not worth buying.
dumb test.. liberty best safe is the best they have and comparing it to cheaper ones... yeea thats fair. now look up champion ans superior safes and youll see how cheap liberty really is.
The second safe was a Champion! They use a laminated steel door and it busted apart during our test! But never the less they do make a better safe than Cannon!
@@MikeWardsliberty yeq which champion? The cheapest 12 gauge model? How about the crown or even untouchable by superior which is champion higher model. Liberty doesnt even go to 1/4 thick.
We are very aware of all of their models we are simply saying head to head Liberty for the money is the best safe on the market. Fort Knox, Browning, and Champion / Superior all make great safes but Liberty has found a way to do it better in most cases and for less money than any other American made company out there.
@@MikeWardsliberty Right. But this test wasn't fair. Unlike the one that Champion did with their safes and Liberty's using comparable models.
@@xeroxboy01 the colonial series isnt liberty's best model. The have a chart from 1 to 5 on the security level of each safe they produced and the colonial is only a 2 out of 5. It's also made from 11 gauge steel. I know this because I own one.
Test means nothing if I see a safe brand called no 1 or no 2 I won’t buy them lol
but give me a battery cir saw and i can cut it in half in 5 min.
Sorry, but once you gave the master code to the Feds, without them giving you a warrant, that is when no one will trust Liberty Safes and it will wither away, for the stupidity of what they have done. If I am going to buy a safe, I will want one that has a old analog tumbler combination lock.
no amsac safes but cool video
These videos are fun to watch but they really don't prove anything.
As someone in the market for a safe this video does nothing to push me one way or the other. As for liberty. I've seen the "safes" they are selling. The filing cabinet sheet metal they are made of that can be deformed with two fingers.
Then I'm told that liberty has "two lines" and the ones I'm looking at are their cheap line. Hmm. Sounds a lot like a certain other brand name that'll I'll have nothing to do with.
As of right now my short list is Browning or Kodiak.
Browning seems to have a little better fire rating for the same price range form what I’ve seen. Problem is I bet you have to spend big money for it to actually save your stuff in a fire.
@@whatfreedom7 FWIW it's worth I ended up buying a Regal by Champion.
Deformed with two fingers? What an idiot.
Liberty safes , we take liberties with your safety
Honestly there's not a safe out there that my plasma torch won't cut through haha or a nice grinder and some bars if a robber is breaking into your home he ain't gonna have them tools ready for a safe cracking the robber will be more focused on jewelry tools and TVS and shit like that I remember I was a kid and there was an abandoned house up on the hill so we went in there and people stole Damm near everything outta that place but the safe was still there haha
Plasma torch will not cut through concrete insulation or even a fiberglass mat for that matter. Also a plasma torch will not melt/burn everything in the safe. All it takes is a small air gap that the spark cant jump to stop the plasma torch from getting through so by the time you get through the first layer and chip the insulation out you will have accessed the second steel layer and the cops will be outside waiting for you. Safes do not stop the most determined thieves, they merely delay the theft so you have more time for the cops to show up.
@@1FAST91SONOMA bull i could get into any safe with my power tools under 30 mins without a tourch... Just gotta find out what time they leave for work and come home simple as that all they gotta do is watch ur house 🤣 if they know u have a safe and come ready trust me your shit gonna be gone
With all the time and tools in the world anyone can accomplish anything. They can bring any tools they want but I dont make it easy. My security system is top notch and I can have the cops to my house in 7 minutes if I'm not there to deal with the moron dragging a wagon full of tools myself.
@@stanleyhowe4320 There are safes with a pretty substantial level of resistance against both power tool and torch attacks (they cost a lot more than the ones shown in this video, and weigh 5-10x as much). Paired with the correct alarm system, one can make it so even a skilled attacker probably won't have enough time.
Plasma torches don't work in all materials. Plus there are means of resisting thermal attacks. A thick layer of copper in the sandwich construction works well. Load up the copper with chunks of tungsten carbide, boron carbide, even used diamond surfaced indexable cutting inserts, and you have a material that will destroy anything that tries to cut it.
You're now in the range of a vault that is close to impossible to open without destroying the contents.
The most certain high tech way to defeat all defenses and not destroy the safe contents is the recirculating diamond wire saw method. If you can bring the safe to the cutting fixture.
FIrst line of defense...be sure to bolt the safe to the floor with some serious hardware. A safe you can pick up and drag out is just a heavy box full of goodies to be stolen.
Get a Fort Knox or an American Security safe. Much better made safes than Liberty. Once you pick out the safe you want. Get a bigger one. You will run out of room before you know it.
Test is crap! Test the body "sidewall" weak points location.
Shut up
Next time thief's' with hydraulic lifts break in I should be covered with Liberty. Safes are attacked through the sides or back.
I bought one
What a joke this test is irrelevant ,just get the code from Liberty Safe (Aka Fed Safe).
I swear i could sell shit to an American fly if i put the word Liberty on it.
without knowing the competition this test is useless.
Destroyed three safes to prove mine better than yours. Stupid demo.! I can open the safe within 30 min sides or the back. And replace the open plate in 30 min.
Really? No safe is 100% bullet proof period ! Don't believe any safe you buy assure 's your valuables when the right tools are available to make short work of your safe period . But your safe should be only part of your security and alarm system.
Calling those flat bars "military style" just sounds like a load of bullshit. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.