Unleash THE PHOENIXES | High Elves vs Tzeentch - Total War Warhammer 3
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2024
- For Events, Tournaments & Discord Links: totaltavern.com/
Twitter: / turinrts
Support the stream: streamlabs.com/turin
/ turin
Channel Sponsors: / @turinrts - เกม
Theres a very solid chance CA didnt even know the change to magic missiles would effect Soul Grinder's attacks.
You're likely right!
100% lol
ngl but i love this change, i've always loved Tzeentch and its soul grinders, but i hated the fact that their magic missiles didnt split when aiming for multiple entities, because it felt like it was kinda a "wasted" shot.
i love them so much now 📈📈📈
Wait is the khorn shot gun grinder better
@@barfallamewshmecklehymer5028I don't think so because the Khorne one wasn't homing
I like the high elf pick. Lots of fire resistance, good air force. Those blue soul grinders are just so hot right now! (Will Ferrell Zoolander voice)
Another unit that has been buffed a lot is the DE Medusa, I recommend you try them out
Dahv Plays uploaded a video involving them today and the performance was nuts. They were halving the hp of infantry units in a single volley, on top of their normal good performance against cavalry and SE monsters
They just adjusted the missile homing to home on different models when multi missile attacks happen because during the first homing change they made it home on one model which messed up certain gameplays of certain campaigns like sister of twilight
Finally some love for THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF ASURYAN.
(Love these small battle replays I normally don’t have a lot of time to watch but these short battles are perfect to watch during my lunch break! Thanks Turin keep it up)
Eltharions mistwalker barrage is good now, but it isn't good on his chicken i think. He needs to just sit in mid teir infantry and get a free searing doom every 30 secs. If he is flying around, it doesn't hit and isn't charging at all. Plus I'm fairly certain it friendly fires as well. Tldr foot karl is back lol
According to the patch notes, it no longer causes friendly fire, although that does not prevent it from knock down those models.
I think Swordmasters and Dragon Princes each need some milk. Swordmasters are too risky for their cost, like getting blasted by that Omni-grinder. That's just brutal.
Normal Dragon Princes just wish they were Fireborn. And Fireborn are awesome, but they are so expensive. Maybe cost reductions on each unit, or some bonus vs large on non-Fireborn Dragon Princes could give them a better niche.
I think dragon princes should just get AP
dragon princes are ok their not super meta but the do pay for themselves often. I personally think its just do to cavalry not really fitting well into one of the high elf playstiles so when people do pick cav it has to be cheap
4:48 Bringing bolt throwers would be pretty risky against Tzeentch soul grinders. Unless you can keep the soul grinders out of striking range of artillery (like with archers or phoenixes), the soul grinders will destroy standard artillery machines in about 4 javelins. It can disable an entire artillery unit in 3 or 4 volleys and has a 12s reload time (same as bolt throwers). 3 bolt throwers will beat 1 soul grinder without micro, but double soul grinder or 1 with sweaty micro will crush triple bolt thrower.
Now that they're in the pits, High Elves are back on the menu!
Thanks for all the quality uploads. love the commentary
I watch all your domination battle videos, and now I can tell by the time limit what kind of game it’s going to be.
Side note - It’d be cool if Skaven were given Stormfiends. I’m painting them up now, and they look rad. I bet they’d fit right in to Total War too.
the trick to killing screamers is just to duel them in the air with any 2 single entities. the blob focus damage especially for smaller hit box single entities is strong
Personally, I think the tournaments overlay should become a staple of these videos now. Haha love the stuff! I have been having a blast with Malakai Mckayson I been thinking about getting some more dlcs!
I think the overlay is a thing of the past. Turin is probably still uploading the videos of some time ago.
@@Mortarion-xt9wp oh yea he said the he recorded 3 videos I a row that all had it 😂😂 i think there is one more to come with it?. Haha
You got me into this game at the perfect time turin.
Yay, High Elves. It's always a treat when Turin posts High Elf video.
Don't know what matchup he would be good in but I wonder how Foottharion would do. A lot less mobility but you just let him grind through infantry with his mistwalker arrows and spam apotheosis the whole game.
I believe Eltharion (and HE generic lords) actually got the same HP buff on the gryphon as the Franz and the empire generals
You are correct, it is in the patch notes. Eltharion even received more hit points in gryphon than the other characters, imperials or HE, 1.300 instead of 1.000. Bretonians characters in hippogryph gain the same buff too.
This was less like a battle and more like a skirmish
One of the things that turns me off is the small army sizes. Like what am I even watching for?
this was a really unusual match tho
Always a fan of High Elf content. Fun seeing you learn but also coming from single player they have my favorite campaign they are my favorite but I don't quite get them in multiplayer.
Turin playing High Elves?! WHAT PLANET ARE WE EVEN ON
9:03 Turin admits that he is a gooner
I don't mind SG being more polyvalent, they just need either to nerf the attack damage, either nerf the ammos by a lot.
Regarding the air superiority of the HE, especially in the TZ matchup, there is the forbidden tech of using a heaven mage on eagle with roiling skies and curse of midnight's wind to goon any flyers coming after you with the double phoenixes. Take urannon on top for warriors, tzaangors, centis.
Assuming that they did intend to buff the soulgrinder, it could be cool to give it better splash attacks and animations for some infantry clearing power that way it doesn't do everything from range and you could dynamically switch focus depending on what you need to focus down.
Medusas are crazy now too. The change to missiles really seems to have made some units a bit too strong
After that early kill on soul grinder I was honestly sure this game was going to end in a completely different way.
Medusas also got affected the same way as soul grinders did. They send infantry straight ot the shadow realm now.
High Elves definitely need some milk to bring them up to speed like reworks on Dragon Princes and their elite infantry and also cost decreases in their lower tier units. Also maybe they need like an army or faction ability. Maybe they could have something like channeling spire to buff their magic users? Or maybe like a magical aura that gives them ward save.
Also it’s kinda of weird that elite infantry in this game gets deleted so easily. They rarely get a time to shine.
Anyway, just some thoughts.
Thank you for the game Turin! 👍🏻🙂
I honestly think when those sky rays came out you should have just got the goon squad together and smashed em.
Always love seeing a Tzeentch W
Medusa got the Soulgrinder of Tzeentch treatment. Huge buff for the Dark Elves !!
think the problem is mostly not being strong but the ability to bring 2 and such a tiny army with them ;)
character SE, elite max % points should be a thing off tourny and mp i say :D
Gotta love CA and GW. Always gotta give chaos some psycho buff :]
Aren't centigors deceptively strong because they have splash ?
So this is the second game where im teased by the BO5 and Finals text...Where are the other games? :D
Think you need net or Tempest for those Shriekers
The Warden never yields
Maybe use rangers with the wide formation should take less dmg
Blessed BO5 Finals returns. Praise be
Will Khorne Soulgrinders ever be viable?
All according to plan
Might not be worth taking the fangsword vs tzeenth 40 phys res but vs tzeentch magic damage
BO5 FINALS gang
Hey(Ive never played but am thinking of starting) Do you play on Key/mouse Or on a controller? And which one is considered meta ?
Just what we needed, a much needed nerf to heavy infantry!
Turin have you not read the patch notes? The missiles of soul grinder do not "split" at the end, they just target different entity per missile. This is merely part of the overall design improvement where multi-missile spells and projectiles were previously, under some circumstances, targeting the same entity with all the missiles. They didn't buff soul grinders specifically.
they buffed units but didnt balance them for the cost like it seems pretty straight forward make a unit better make it cost more.
First
Even before the bots wow
769th :D
So are those soul grinders gonna be permitted in tournaments? Hopefully its a bug that gets fixed soon, because that doesnt seem legit.
Can someone tell me if Turin is on the record about no more Land Battle tournaments? I never watch the other mode so I rarely see the channel.
1 view, but 3 likes? what kind of magic is this?
bro blaming the "degen" soul grinders while getting double 80% max hp regen on both phoenixes for free💀💀💀
(i love you Turin, keep the content ❤️)
The resurrect is factored in the phoenixes' price.
Damn those Soul Grinders are WILDY broken. I kept seeing 30% of a unit's health disappearing off of units all over the map, quite shocking
Think it would be neat if the swordmasters were kinda like the aspiring champions lower model count high health for each one
I always hear how nice the high elves are yet they have lost every faction war and lose decisively here and are never picked unless the player absolutely loves them lol Maybe it’s a sign they actually suck
High elf current meta is to go very cheap and wide. Top players hate that. Ive been using them as a swarm faction to great effect. Spears for everyone!
@@floatingaround22 i’ve seen many top players go wide and they still lose.
@@horribledays I have not! Got a link or video I can watch?
@@floatingaround22 i have loads of links but i’m lazy to go and get them tbh 😂 gonna have to just agree to disagree
High Elves have literally never been a meta faction since the launch of WH2
Still feel that barrier need som counter play mechanic. Maybi vulnerability to magical attacks, something simular to how regen have to fire.
They just need to remove the seeking on the SG's attacks, give em a slightly better AL bonus if they think they underperformed, but the seeking with the multi shot is very powerful.
i'm not sure why turin is using gooning instead of ganking but i'm not sure he's familiar with the alternative interpetation of that word
I’m don’t think the soul grinders are op. With out the changes they are barely brought in any match up. Plus you can still goon them easily with a character squad
Yet again elite infantry having no place in multiplayer most of the time when you've got broken units like the soul grinder nuking them from across the map. Including the click and delete magic.
ngl but Soul grinders and every "multiple missile shot" unit/ability should've always been like this: split among multiple units. This change was def a big W.
Anyway, like Turin said, bringing high af cost elite units against units like soul grinders, is such a waste. You can easily counter them with cheap ass cavalry for example
@@RYUcaEU Its meant to be an anti-large specialist, being able to take 20% hp of an infantry unit per shot is ridiculous for this type of unit. The only people that enjoy this are sweaty competitive players and the braindead who need broken things like this or they'd lose to the AI.
Let me guess you're also a fan of the Thunderbarge and Elspeth's dragon breathe too?
@@callumcochrane7759 i'm a fan of what amuse me/i like to play lol. I don't even care about playing competitive 😂
Too old for that shit. I follow Turin cause i like to spectate his casted games.
talking about me, I just wanna chill, enjoy the game and have fun. So relax lmao, i didnt want to hurt your competitive spirit 😂
Oh and btw, i hate dwarves and i dont even have Thrones of decay lol, and i find thundercringe way too busted and non-sense anyway, a fkng balloon shouldnt be that tanky and broken like that.
But i love Elspeth design and as a energy blasts enjoyer, her black dragon laser is cool af and i love how powerful it is
I really struggle to see the point of the mistwalker units being "single player only" atm. The landship, the thunderbarge and a lot of other units are just straight up better in terms of utility and they do not cost that much...
This patch seems "nice" but also has quite a few "cheesy" units on it.
takes like 2 minutes in custom battles to realize the soul grinder changes were a bad idea, the fact that CA can't even do that but still asks for 25 bucks for their DLCs is so sad to me...
I hate subutai so much, just always objectively the antagonist every time he plays. Always exclusively top tier meta picks, not a single original or creative thought in his head. I always cheer when he loses
Tzeentch Soul Grinders don't seem OP just strong. Anyone else sees it like i do ?
dude please can you do a campain or battle with wood elves with only tree kin and archers? please take it as a challenge to win. only missile infantry, so gales, deepwoods and waywatchers, and tree kin. pls i really love nature and i want this meme strat to prevail. let the tree tanks to be the shield of the archers and heal the trees
I see the soulgrinder do a moderate amount of damage vs a large target which they are geared to deal with, then you shit on their face. What is the problem? is this another cry until they eviscerate the unit like akshina's and slaanesh or is it just another "cost increase"?
The issue that people are currently having with Tzeentch Soulgrinders is that their ranged attack is treated as a Magic Missile with 5 bolts. In the most recent patch, Magic Missiles were made to spread fire (each bolt targets a different model). The damage breakdown for their bolts is 24 Base and 96 AP with 5 model penetration on things smaller than cavalry. This means they one shot Chaos Warriors (90 hp/model), Ironbreakers (96 hp/model), and quite likely even Hammerers (100 hp/model means the avg Base damage of 6 pushes it through) as well as most any infantry of any other faction barring Chosen (131 hp/model). You can potentially kill 25 elite infantry per shot up from an average of 5 (because they all shot at the same models).
This in itself isn't that bad. Artillery should kill infantry it hits, but the spread + penetration means that it is has no 'bad' targets. Therefore it seems like one of the following should happen: the cost should be increased, penetration decreased, or spread removed.
Personally, I would prefer seeing either the cost increases or penetration reduced from 5 to 3. More infantry are still killed because the previous version would only kill 5 total models (assuming the line was deep enough to have 5 hit).
the soulgrinders do look super powerful, although not game-breakingly. If CA intended them to be that powerful then a hefty points increase makes sense.
I'm a bit wary though of adding powerful units that have few counters, while as a player it is great to win, it gets old fast when the challenge disappears from the game. The Lizardman DLC's should be the model here, lots of cool units but other than the ancient Salamander they weren't offensively OP on launch, the dread Saurian is powerful - but boy does it cost a lot!
This is one instance where land battle may be more balanced than domination. The need to advance in domination means that the costliest infantry will get nuked if this unit is on the map. At least in land battle, there's some leeway to hold troops back and advance with chaff/artillery/goon squads.
@@emultra759 To me the unit seems to have been significantly increased in power with a cost increase - seems easy fix. Although while I like a challenge there is a problem when the enemy is too hard and you effectively comje up against a brick wall.
As Dark Elves I found myself getting often mauled with an army full of shades while Kislev just had lvl1 troops (god dam unbreakable too!). Balance is not just an issue for mp.