A Conversation With Friends: Racism and the Church
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- Bishop Kenneth C. Ulmer sits down for a conversation with friends from the evangelical community for a discussion on racism and the church.
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Thank you for your vulnerability Bishop Ulmer. This was a powerful discussion. Love you very much! Your leadership is unmatched!
When Bishop Ulmer started crying at the 43:00 minute mark, I teared up myself. I understand how he might feel that he cheated people by not addressing social issues when he was younger, but he is not cheating us now. We all learn from our mistakes and I am glad he learned from his and is condemning leaders who are not talking about race.
I left the church last year to teach myself God’s word. I wanted to learn about saving souls and loving one another as Jesus commanded when he walked this earth. The churches I had attended preached “the Blessed life” and prosperity and my spirit was deeply moved in a negative way. I have learned so much more reading and researching for myself and sharing and discussing God’s word with friends and family. Dear Church, please get back to good ole religion of saving souls, loving each other, feeding the poor, stop looking down on your brothers and sisters...I could go on...Many megachurches are now politicized. Please go back to the Bible. Stop telling people who to vote for. Preach Christ instead.
My blessings to you sister but you said you left the church to teach yourself Gods word ???? That’s a very dangerous position to be in, teaching yourself.
@@kennyjackson2279 I disagree. Let the Holy Spirit be the guide. I let Him guide me, and He is calling others to do the same. It is time to become Spirit-led.
@@kennyjackson2279 , that is a trick of the enemy. Go look at the early church in Acts. There are no pastors anywhere to be found. We are to be a community of believers learning together and no one man should be teaching all and everything. What the sister is doing is what God has really called us to do. Institutional church is unscriptural.
@@jasongraham5582 Exactly, like this sister, years ago the Holy Spirit told me to stop going to a building to worship him. At the time I was going 5 nights a week. He told me it was time for me to stop going to church and to become the Church. To stop seeking a word and to become one with The Word. Now whenever, I have conversations with other believers they always want to know what "church" I go to because they want to be taught by that pastor. They are always shocked when I tell them I don't. I assure them that I believe in fellowshipping with other believers, however, in Hebrews it does not say that fellowship had to be a formal thing instituted at a designated building by a man and the worship team. My pastor is Jesus, Himself. My teacher is the Holy Spirit. And they guarantee me access to the Father. So that I am right where I need to be, in the middle of His love. The place where He intends for all of us to be.
Read the Bible, Psalm 103 6&8, Micah 6:8, Justice for all is in the bible, it is not just political, keep reading your Bible and with wisdom get an understanding of God's word. We have ignore the Biblical Justice all our lives.
I love this dialogue, however, to Pastor Dudley Rutherford's point, having a multi ethnic/racial church DOES NOT solve these problems UNLESS the plight of the most oppressed ethnicities and races is voiced and solved collectively. Many white churches have had the privilege of having black members in their church, but yet have failed to address the issue of systematic racism. It's not necessarily the mixing of races within a church, but the vehement stance against racism that makes the difference!
I said the VERY same thing to my husband last week and to hear him say that...SMH. IT DOES NOT WORK! YES, it is NOT the solution!!! Thank you for saying this. Looking like heaven has been the problem, but not SOUNDING with one voice is not what Christ has called unity.
It’s not just having black people in the pews... it’s about being anti racist...it’s about having a equal voice and sharing power
@@er2850 there are no white churches led by black pastors, i have attended white churches by invitation only and i have never seen a black pastor give a sermon and come to think of it black folks didn't have any input on the service at all, speaking for myself i will never accept an invitation to a white church again
Timothy Bogans I totally understand... I’m in a very diverse church... Pastor has given a very generic.... ... “It starts with me” response.... he will not call it out as evil.... he definitely will not say that black lives matter.... he needs to pay the bills... I’m not sure if I can ever feel comfortable there... I’m definitely looking to return to a church in my own community... it’s very exhausting self monitoring to keep certain people comfortable.... my eyes are open... their silence or not being willing to take a stand for black lives and sitting back while we are fighting...fighting for our lives.. for our people to not be killed...& they are silent...I will never financially support a church that ignores my pain. I’m tired of sitting in rooms with people who talk about reconciliation and go get into their cars covered by trump stickers... claiming that he is for the evangelical church.... life is only protected in the womb... once born.... it’s not valuable..racism hiding behind religion...
@@er2850 i believe your comment to be honest and thank you for sharing your story i was raised in black churches and i have never been associated with a church with a diverse congregation i will not be comfortable with that but i appreciate you for giving it a shot right now i don't have a church family of any sort so i put all my Faith in GOD to lead my steps through the rest of my life AMEN, i think there are too many black folks that are looking for acceptance and love from white folks and other non black people we are too forgiving of those that have done us wrong and that stems from us not loving other black people when black people are put in a position where their voices are heard they are shy about saying i love black people because they are afraid to offend some white person or make them feel uncomfortable oh no like I mentioned elsewhere on this post i am unapologetic when i say I love black folks and i don't care how some white person feel about it, the white folks continue to use played out cliches that are irrelevant to this conversation my lady you have a BLESSED DAY.
I just watched this on TBN. I almost never watch TBN. This is an eyeopener.
This was one of the most honest discussions thus far. It was honest and pure. I love Bishop Ulmer's good friend that felt he had to defend Bishop Ulmer's stance to White Evangelicals. It angers me that White evangelicals are upset at Bishop Ulmer's outrage, but they fail to be angry nor sorry about their mistreatment of our ancestors and their mistreatment of us now. I applaud Bishop Ulmer and his friends because his friends did one thing that most of them don't do. They listened and allowed Bishop Ulmer express his hurt, his frustrations and his anger. The White Pastors didn't defend themselves for being white. They listened and tried to understand. Ric Warren even apologized. We can't ever forget it as long as White America continues to oppress Black America and until White America helps us forget it through their actions toward reconciliation.
Those white evangelicals don’t have any understanding nor do they have any knowledge of God, even if they are preaching God’s word. They belongs to the father who is satan.
1 John 4:20
“Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen.”
@@AudranER right on point they are blatantly disregarding the WORD OF GOD or they do not understand it or they are of the devil to my mind they are guilty of all three.
Timothy Bogans
Matthew 22:36-40
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
@@AudranER BLESSED WORDS to live by i have never forgotten about, thank you for sharing.
Kevin it is not just Bishop Ulmer but Dr. Tony Evans spoke out also. I saw many white evangelicals respond to him by telling him to stick to only preaching the gospel. My view of this is that no one likes when the mirror is shoved in their face. However they need it shoved in their face. That is what Ulmer is doing. As we say in TX, I pre'ciate him!
Thanks Bishop ulmer for challenging these men. as we all have a part to play as a believer. Within our circles of influence Lord will use us to assist him in the area of racism and developing Black People and all others who are in need .
God makes a way for the Word He wants delivered!!!
Pastor, thanks for the honesty...praying for the healing of
your hurts...my brother was the only Black in 1966 in his Elementary School...these hurts shape a persons emotions...thank God for his healing power
Bishop Ulmer, my heart breaks for you. I am sadden that you believe that you failed the black communities. But, I am here to tell you that you did not! You are here and you survived through playing the game, and have made some fundamentally sound strides towards the future of all mankind, especially the black man & woman. It is better for us that you survived through it than to die moving too soon! If we are still struggling today, and dying from being black. How much more could have happened to you if you did not play it safe and smart? Now you have experience, connections and a platform! It is most beneficial to us today that you made it my brother! Now stand firm and strong there's work to be done still! Remember, those who are in Christ there is no condemnation! Your sister in Christ Sister Helen Jones, peace and blessings to you dear brother.
Helen Jones:
Especially the 'black' man and woman, is there another gender amongst 'blacks' and what're all of these strides that 'blacks' have made in this racist country?? In your church, you cannot find 10 'black' women rocking their superior natural hair because of the self-hatred and assimilation from slavery and Christianity.
Hmmm this is the problem with too many black folks we are hoping for the acceptance validation and love from white folks and other non black folks we are the only race of people forgiving them for their sins instead of loving black folks, too many fear saying and showing love for black people because of backlash from those that are going to hate you anyway i don't care how a white folk feel about me i unapologetically love all black people GOD KNOWS my heart, this all lives matter and there is only one race that matters the human race that is deflecting talk it's not relevant to this situation no other race of people has been marginalized, lynched,abused, jim crowed, segregated, and systematically destroyed because of just being black than our people nobody how you are going to say you love GOD and you don't even love yourself.
This right here!! Whew!!! Heavy, real, raw and so timely!!! Thank you Bishop Ulmer for being so vulnerable and willing to put your heart on the line!!!♥️♥️♥️ Forever my church - Forever my Pastor
Yes, he did his part... somewhat! He didn't get a collective apology from the white pastors NOR did they offer an apology! The only acceptance they offered were personal experiences, nothing as a whole! The day we start thinking, speaking AND acting in the collective sense is the day we can start the healing process!
I pray this conversation continues on and on all over the world Lord we hear You Lord!! And that the church will take the lead and do the work 2 Chron 7:14 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
This was so awesome! Thank you Dr. Ken Ulmer for sharing this dialogue. There was so much incite and revelation. I hope other pastors across the nation will examine themselves, and ensure that they are truly representing God by loving others (regardless of their racial background) as they love themselves. Pastor Rick Warren was so on point. Thank you all for being so transparent.
Thank you for bringing in the white pastors. The common thread is that, those who see the injustice would not do anything about it because they are afraid of losing the bill payers. I thank them for there honesty but expect nothing to change. They would never look like their picture. Thank you for your honesty.
With man's stubborn hearts nothing will change but the fact that these conversations are having means God is working. One can not claim to love God and look down on any of His people for any reason. It will change one person at a time.
The world will know us by our love.
Excellent, vulnerable conversation..Long overdue, but never too late. Thank You Bishop
I pray the next conversation deals with Black on Black division..?
Wow! This is the MOST POWERFUL message I've seen or heard on the issues of racism and the church! Bishop Ulmer, I applaud you for your courage and conviction, and for your commitment to the love of Christ and His church body! It is wonderful to know that you have a great, solid group of White pastors friends who are listening, learning, and who will lead their congregations to change! I literally burst out crying... I am deeply saddened yet profoundly hopeful. Thank you all!
LaniSalter Inc
Where's the great group of solid 'white' friends that any 'black' person can have?
@@jacobite9131 real talk it doesn't exist
????.... but nothing was accomplished!! They all gave their personal experiences with racism... they got emotional over Bishop Ulmer's testimony but there was NO resolve to ANYTHING!
@@byronbrown5767
What else do you expect from these useless integrative sessions?
@@timothybogans3905
It's very revealing that he/she cannot answer that simple question after boldly writing so.
My heart was HOPED.
Beautifully done to God be the glory
It's not hard for a Believer, it just take love. Every Believer has the capacity to simply love mankind. Let's keep educating one another.
I watched this for the first time today, and I was astonished, awed and humbled by the transparency in this conversation, especially Bishop Ulmer. As one of the other pastors briefly mentioned, 11: 00 Sunday morning is still, unfortunately, the most segregated hour in our nation.
Excellent video! I learned so much🕊☮️🕊
Bishop, as a member at FCBC of over 15 years, for I’ve seen you cry publicly only a few times. When you cry 😢 I cry 😭 (we cry.) You’ve ministered many times your vision for a diverse congregation and understand your hearts desire and what God has placed their. I am not a prophet nor the daughter of a prophet 😁 a Bishop-ism.The desires of your heart will come to floracion. Thank You for being honest, vulnerable and a shepherd that leads despite What Others Think.
This is powerful and full of God.
@AJ Thank you compliment. I do understand. We as Christians has to keep trusting God's word meaning we have the Power from Him to Tread Scorpions and Serpents and nothing will harm us and walk in our God given Authority to make the change in this world! God gave us Boldness we have to walk in it to make a change by God's power. I love being bold and studying the bible it gives me courage to fight harder in this life!! I love making a change around me but all has to stand or they will fall for anything. God bless you and thank you again. Keep praying for change but do not for get to be the change you want to be and for others to see. .😇🙏🏾💞
I stand in agreement with the revelation and the challenge set before us. May God's divine wisdom guide each of us to rise up and take a stand.
Gayla Holmes
Do you really think that there's just one white person on earth that GENUINELY likes 'black' people?
Well needed discussion with brothers seeking unity in and out the Churches. Thanks Bishop Ulmer and crew for going deep within the racial lines. Stay well and be blessed!
Pastors and Teachers must start teaching the TRUTH. No more private interpretations.
This is awesome.
Pastor, this conversation was so needed. I commend you for having the courage to speak your truth and the truth of so many of our people to this group of Pastors. Thank you for taking a stand and thank you for showing us it's okay to be raw and vulnerable, especially when we are surrounded by true friends. When we are challenged to do something by God, we have to obey. You are a man of God who has always been real, raw, courageous, and bold, and I am proud to call you Pastor. Your sincere passion for wanting to deliver a word from God sometimes propels you into uncharted and sometimes rough waters. I look forward to seeing God move in the hearts of not only these Pastors, but in the hearts of many who were touched by this conversation. Let's be real, change won't happen overnight, and many will be uncomfortable hearing the truth about race, especially as it relates to the Black race. This will make many parishioners VERY uncomfortable. But my God is able, and I've already seen evidence that walls are beginning to come down. Yes, Walls can Fall! Glory!
It's tough to find out that the ones you love, don't return that same kind of love.
The tendency to skip over Revelation 2:9 and Rev 3:9 is so acute. Let’s also see Genesis 15, Deut 28:68, Ezekiel 37, 38 and 39. Let’s read the Psalms. Let’s read Isaiah, Jeremiah, Romans 10, Hebrews 11. Blacks are everywhere because we are God’s original people. Never forget that. This was not taught to me by man but by the Holy Spirit. Time for people to AWAKEN.
Obviously Salvation through Jesus Christ is not enough for you people. Adam and Eve were the original people. All the DNA for every race was in them. God made us all. Abram came from UR. Was he black? No, he was Middle Eastern. More like somebody from Irak. You can put yourself in all those verses you mentioned if you're in Jesus Christ. You black people have a wonderful heritage from recent years. The Pentacostal movement started through a black man on Azusa Street in California and spread all over the world. Why not take pride in that?
@@singerlenaandersson1868 I agree about Adam and Eve. Not sure about Abraham's race but that doesn't matter to me. Just as a point of fact, black people (like every other race) had a rich Christian heritage way before Azusa.
As a black woman I have over looked at the time everywhere I have worked in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
The hurt that I feel as a black woman from hearing his story 🥺. As a Christian I literally had to stop church for my life all together to reprogram my thinking.
This breaks my heart. I had to leave my white evangelical church after 19+ years. I could not tolerate the hypocrisy any longer. I am still trying to pick the pieces of my broken heart together. Talk is great but l want to see concerted effort for positive change.
If I were attending a church and I experienced racism there, I'd simply leave, NEVER to return! Not giving up on God, but GIVING UP on such nonesense in His House. The church is not a job. It's a place where we go to WORSHIP and commune with others!! There should be no place for such immaturity in His House! When this happens, FLESH has taken over, not the HOLY SPIRIT!!!💕💯
Well... we've tried to accept a multi racial congregation and Dylann Roof happened!?!?!
That depends. Is it from an individual or systemic? If it was an individual issue and the leadership dealt with it well, you may be glad you stayed.
Also buy the book, picture painted with words. On Amazon available June 19/20 It is also available on kindle right now.
The Church (we as Christians) should NOT be the main example of influence in this world; we should be the ONLY example!
Father, hear us from heaven; heal us from heaven but more and most importantly, FORGIVE us from heaven. In Jesus name I pray.
So funny I just played that song because I asked the same question 😂
the track at the end is by who we know the title and song but whose this version by?
Bishop you are a brave Man and I feel the pain that you live with everday, and what I would like to see is a Day of Racism when White Churches openly ask if killing Blacks is wrong in a platform where White Pastors find out and hear what their parishoneers feel.. What are you going to do ?be the bridge, and I Thank God for your friends who want to hear and learn, (and understand my friend cannot offend me).God has a way of getting our attention .The virus is no respector of man .We all need love and mercy. God is watching and I believe this is that time.
Alice Bell:
'Blacks' have no 'white' friends'.
41:57 - 43:25: THIS is what we as African American Christians have been taught by many of our White counterparts. To cry out...to feel the pain...to openly express the outrage we feel in our hearts...is liberal, earthly, anti-Christian and SINFUL! I weep alongside Bishop Ulmer and will no longer participate in the lie. 😥
The difference this time is that The Holy Spirit has and is orchestrating this Himself. Its the power of the Spirit that is in charge now. The feasts of God were established as prophetic timeclocks for several reasons. Here is a list of some of what occurs-unfolds-takes place in and during prophetic annual God ordained feasts. 1. The Spirit of God moves in a unique way to lead us more into the path of righteousness and holiness. He knows that oftentimes we get weary and sometimes get caughtup in worldly outreaches. He also sends his spirit to remind us watch and pray so we dont get caught off guard when trouble comes as it is today. He also is quite serious about us understanding and knowing the truth since it is the truth that will make and set us free. As we as believers are called to be transformed into a new mind - let this mind be in you that was also in messiah Yahushua. When we develop a new mind everything becomes so beautiful. We develop more love-more wisdom-more faith and truly become more like our heavenly Father. The Lord wants us to realky take a deep look inside ourselves and He wants us to realize how short and how desperately wicked we realky are - all of us - including myself. If we dont really believe His prophetic words and are not willing to change and go all the way to allowing Him to thoroughly cleanse up and make us pure as snow we just as well stop fooling ourselves and stop trying to serve in only part way because He isn't having. The truth is that for over 400 years the evil sin of racism has been allowed to fester and grow and its true that a large majority of Americans kept silent about. That includes also the white so called christian denominations. Why did they allow it is the million dollar question. Since prophecy warns us that the Messiah who is the Lord of Hosts will soon return it behooves us to rid our souls and hearts from anything and everything that will defile it. Adultry-murder-racism-lying-jealously Just to name a few. The golden rule - do unto others as you would have them do unto you. THE feast of trumpets is the next biblical feast of God that will begin. This feast represents the Sound of The Trumpet which will catch up the true and righteous saints-belivers of God. We still have a little time left to repent and get our houses in order. IT UP TOO YOU. Bless you my beloved brothers and sisters in Christ the Messiah. Love you all to life. Shalom-Selah.
I swear I don't understand how they really didn't know.....I can't comprehend that they didn't have any idea this stuff goes on
There is one race. The human race.
Dear God, You tell us you have given us authority to cast out demons and to heal every disease
You also tell us in the last days there will be many who will be false teacher's, who will lead people away from the truth. I believe these men have been led astray by false teaching, teaching that is evil and ultimately from devil. So I renounce Satan and His wicked deceptful schemes and pray that by your Holy Spirit you forgive these men, break the chains of drception, that you set them free from darkness. Let the light of your love and power of your truth transform them into men who go forth and proclaim your truth to all the nations. Men set free, fully forgiven and empowered by your Holy Spirit.
I am but a small minnow in this sea of evil ... but you tell me that it is faith ... as tiny as a mustard seed ... that can move mountains.
So I offer myself, my tiny pray and my heart for your people to break this curse and set us free.
Let the light of your love break forth and unite us again.
It is in your powerful name I ask these things.
God has torn down every idol. He has put the world on notice.
Choose this day, who will you serve.
The body of Christ is out of order. We do not love one another.
Mega church pastors and their smaller counterparts should begin to preach and teach equality and equity from a biblical perspective, so their members will do the right thing as a result of worship and prayer they are engaging for personal and national revival and betterment of our republic and communities. They should make it clear the first resolution below should be engaged by elected and appointed political leaders. In addition, they should also lead by example by practicing the second problem resolution in the Churches they lead and teach and encourage Christian and non-Christian businesses / business-owners to do the same.
1. Better police training is necessary (eliminate deadly techniques and include non-deadly techniques for gaining control of combative people as well as ethics of respect and care for those they approach and arrest, at the same level for all races of people) as well as departments, prosecutors, and courts holding police criminally accountable who cause and are complicit in unjustified deaths. Americans black and other races should and will protest in some shape or form, yet violence, property damage, and other unhealthy behavior should not be coupled with the protests.
Protesters will make their point and changes will come about in shorter order through the sheer number of people descending upon the domains of elected officials around the nation (capitols, city halls, etc.) as they are led by movement leaders intelligently identifying the racial and/or discrimination problems that back allegations with data & testimonials that prove the allegations, and that allow elected and appointed officials, prosecutors, and courts to deliver righteous justice against unjustified deaths and other treatment. No one can reasonably expect that justice to happen overnight and must realize there is no excuse for whites, blacks, or other races involved in the protests / movements to loot, destroy, or attack anyone or any property. Americans of all races who want to do what is righteous and just will work together with non-violent agendas / actions to get the point across and will experience progress for blacks, other minorities, and all Americans (like civil rights progress made during the course of our national history as we moved to combat and disable to a great degree physical slavery, jim crow laws, and other inequities).
2. Economic equality / equity is also needed and would over time do far more than short-term sympathy, empathy, and donations being made by Tech Giants and large businesses in various industries that have for decades failed to provide equitable job, promotions, and high-level opportunities to a representative portion of black Americans. In the few instances when some did, they tended to do so to a far greater degree for black women (which I'm not mad at because they are also worthy of greater opportunities) but this seems to be another attempt (like many government welfare programs and rules implemented going back decades) to emasculate black men and tear apart families by making it look like black men could not provide and are undisciplined, irresponsible, and unworthy of low, mid, or high-level employment, business, and financial opportunity.
The sad, subjective, and untrue refrain from many hiring managers often being "we're sorry Mr. Brown but we selected someone who had better education and past experience than you." If you're actions keep most people of a particular race in the slums of life lacking equitable economic opportunity, do not be surprised that volatility comes out of them at some point and causes un-pleasant behavior that could rip apart the fabric of the nation. While arguments could be made that violent outbursts during protests shouldn't happen, we know historically it has in many instances and as a united people (whites, blacks, hispanics, asians, indians, and others) we should seek to correct underlying societal problems including racist, discriminatory, and abusive behavior by powers-that-be and authority figures, so they do not foment violent sentiment and courses of action by people groups and/or the masses that drive wedges between U.S. citizens and lead to national decay and destruction.
The blood of Christ is sufficient for salvation - it saved me and probably many of you! However, we still are called to partner with the Holy Spirit in doing the right things otherwise abhorrent behaviors like slavery, Jim Crow, discrimination, and racism occur and overtake societal systems.. We are not living in the design it represents when we do not love our neighbor as ourselves by doing all we can to ensure policing and our economic, employment, and banking systems are not discriminatory to minorities. If his premise was true then Martin Luther King Jr. and many abolitionists of the past (white and black) should never have been used by the LORD to bring change because His blood would have done it all without our taking action. Faith without works is dead! In other words, faith that is only words is dead!
After praying according to 2Chronicles 7:14, we are called to action thereafter to act righteously and do justice, to stand up for the oppressed and the weak. Prayer is never an indication to not act, in fact it is an invitation to take necessary actions to carry out the LORD's will not only for leading people to Him and into eternal life but also in making sure we and our systems of authority are regulated and act in ways that move toward the righteousness, peace, and joy He wants for us even while we are on Earth.
We bow our knees to the LORD Jesus Christ and commit to living by the fruit of the Spirit as we deal with other people in equality and to take necessary actions to ensure our systems of government and authority including the people who lead and work within them do not fall short of the following:
Isaiah 1:17
Learn to do right! Seek justice, relieve the oppressed, and correct oppression. Defend the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Proverbs 31:9
Open your mouth, judge righteously, And administer justice for the afflicted and needy.
Psalms 82:3-4
Be fair to the poor and to orphans. Defend the helpless and everyone in need. Rescue the weak and homeless from the powerful hands of heartless people.
Proverbs 24:11-12
Save those who are being led to their death; rescue those who are about to be killed. If you say, “We don’t know anything about this,” God, who ·knows what’s in your mind [evaluates motives; weighs hearts], will notice [doesn’t he know?]. He is watching you, and he will know. He will reward each person for what he has done.
1John 4:20
If any one say, I love God, and hate his brother, he is a liar: for he that loves not his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?
1John 2:11
But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
Matthew 23:27-36
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!
33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.
You can't force people (white, black, or other) to speak out or take action, but you can say what the LORD has shown as necessary to move the consciences of the people and those who lead them, in the same way He moved through MLK, Jr. and through those who started the American Revolution and the Civil War to end the practice of physical ownership of slaves. In each of these movements, a loud cry of righteousness and justice was heard from pulpits that lead to action and overcame the voices from other pulpits commanded by people who desired to remain unjust and keep people oppressed.
Therefore I am not willing to give my all to any company and get discriminated against for promotion etc because of the colour of my skin.
And the pastor saying we're hurting cause you're hurting🙄. No ALL black Ppl are hurting.. That's what they don't understand.
I've seen enough of these "one black Pastor, many white Pastors" conversations around race. They all start and end the same: with white Pastors displaying compassion and sympathy (to the point of tears); but no accountability and responsibility.
The black Pastor began by reading a statement from his book that said "I'm a recovering racist". Coming from him, this is absurd. While anyone can discriminate on an individual level against anyone else, American Descendants of Slavery (ADOS) can't be racist because they lack the power of government to enforce their individual discriminating acts on the entire group of whites via economic, social and political policies.
Here's when I'll know that white people are serious: when they are able to express ownership of racism (as a white invention); and begin to discuss amongst themselves (the creators of racism) the way to dismantle what they created. Call me when they're ready to do real repentance and restoration to ADOS. Shalom!
Zariah Sparrow, I agree, "Here's when I'll know that white people are serious: when they are able to express ownership of racism (as a white invention); and begin to discuss amongst themselves (the creators of racism) the way to dismantle what they created. Call me when they're ready to do real repentance and restoration to ADOS. Shalom!"
Until these white churches openly repent for their racism (and acknowledge the history of their racist ancestors), there can be no healing nor restoration. After all, there wouldn't have been "slavery" had the white churches condemned it four-hundred years ago. And America became wealthy on the backs of our enslaved ancestors. God is not going to "wink" at ignorance anymore. He has snatched the covers off and is exposing racism in America, especially in the Church!
@@4ucarla885 Thanks for your cooperation; however, this is all part of Father YAH'S intentional plan. HE became very angry with HIS children (Psalm 85:5); so HE punished them many times using captivity; however, this last captivity (the second captivity in Egypt; Isaiah 11:11-12) is the one that is currently ending now. Here's a little biblical backstory:
With regards to who the people are that were shipped from Africa to all nations in the world via the Transatlantic Slave Trade, the bible describes a people who have angered their GOD due to their disobedience and disloyalty to HIM (Deuteronomy 30:17-20; Deuteronomy 32:8-26; Ezekiel 36:17-22; Ezekiel 39:23-24; Jeremiah 3:6; Jeremiah 3:13); whom HE sent into slavery, scattering them across the world, by way of ship, stating that they will not be able to return; and that they would not be repaired from this condition (Deuteronomy 28:68). These same people, the bible says, will spend 400 years in a land that is not theirs; and they would be evilly treated; however, after 400 years (1619-2019), those people will leave this strange land, with great wealth (Genesis 15:13-14); and return to their own land and live with their GOD forever (Jeremiah 30:1-15; Deuteronomy 30:1-10; Ezekiel 36:23-38; Ezekiel 37:21-28; Ezekiel 39:23-29; Isaiah 60; Revelation 7); and their GOD will destroy all the nations that harmed HIS people (Joel 3, Jeremiah 30:11-16; Jeremiah 46:27-28; Deuteronomy 30:7; Ezekiel 36:1-7; Ezekiel 39:1-6; Ezekiel 39:11-23). If some of this sounds a little familiar when compared to the history of American Descendants of Slavery (ADOS), that’s because it is very much in alignment with ADOS/Hebrew history. Not only do these people come to these strange lands uniquely by ship and are enslaved for 400 years, but the bible goes into detail regarding the enslaved treatment that continues until they leave. Here is a description of some of their conditions:
The bible defines GOD’s name as “YAH” (Psalms 68:4).
Deut. 28:25 - “The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them and flee seven ways before them: and shall be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.”
Deut. 28:29 - “… and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.”
These curses are of particular interest because they establish that the true children of YAH will have been removed or taken forcibly to all kingdoms or countries of the earth; and that we will be only oppressed and spoiled (blighted or a severe detrimental effect); and that no man will save us; which means only Father YAH himself will restore us; and although we should continue to ask for reparations (just as Moses continually asked to be let go), no man or government will provide us reparations from our condition. However, Father YAH has promised to repair us and to prosper us in our own land (see scriptures above).
Deut. 28:33 - “The fruit of thy land, and all thy labors, shall a nation which thou know not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed always:
Again, this curse is very demonstrative of the historical and current conditions of ADOS. Historically and currently, ADOS doesn't reap the fruit or benefit of their labor. Somehow the government or corporations of America find a way or institute policies like slavery, regressive taxation, economic exclusion or just plain stealing that cause ADOS to continually fail.
Deut. 28:37 - “And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.”
You may recognize this sign readily because ADOS suffers loss of identity (which is part of the curse on the Hebrews) and has been referred to by many names and bywords (a word or expression summarizing a thing’s characteristics); i.e., Afro-American, African American, Negro, N-word, Colored People, Blacks, etc. This is where the "loss ness" stems from that makes us want to connect to Africa as a continent (African American), even though that is not logically or physically possible.
Deut. 28:43 - “The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.”
This curse is very recognizable when applied to the context of ADOS and immigrants. Immigrants can be considered strangers to America, since they were not citizens. Currently (thanks to Obama and whites), immigrants are allowed greater citizenship benefits in America than ADOS, even though we have been in America for 400 years; and ADOS is positioned socially and economically lower than the immigrants or even non-citizens. As you know, anyone can come to America, regardless to skin tone, and become "white" or normalized; except for ADOS.
Deut. 28:48 - “Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he has destroyed thee.
This is another outstanding sign because it speaks to the historical and current condition of ADOS serving or working for their enemies or those that are seeking their destruction; and ADOS is positioned in this country in such a way as to need complete support from the government or our enemies (welfare, jobs, shelter, food, water, protection, etc.); and you may remember the infamous photo of the slave(s) with the iron yoke around their necks (some with muzzles in their mouths); which remained physically throughout slavery for 246 years (1619 - 1865); and then emotionally, mentally and phychologically for the next 154 years under Jim crow and new Jim crow laws (1865 - 2019).
Deut. 28:49 - 50 - “The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flies; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favor to the young:
This sign is very notable for its undeniable description of America, using the symbol of America (the eagle), as well as the fact that we did not speak the language of these people that would capture us. Also, the characterization of America as having a fierce countenance or face towards us, not regarding the old or young. It recalls the fact that our kids and young adults are under siege (miss-educated, beaten, jailed, killed) in this country as much as the adults No mercy is shown to the young or old due to their vulnerability. We see the video footages of old ADOS women and men, as well as children and young adults being harassed and man-handled by police daily. This isn't happening to Asians, Hispanics or other ethnic groups; only to ADOS.
So now that we understand a little more about the biblical signs of the true people of Father YAH, we can read the prophecies and begin to understand historical and current events; as well as what will happen in the near and extended future, according to scripture(s). To be concise, ADOS is of the tribe of Judah or southern tribe which was scattered over the globe (Zechariah 1:21; Zechariah 12:1-10). Many of the northern tribes are located in different countries of Africa, usually where there is contention and colonization (like South Africa, Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Botswana, Ghana, etc.). Historically, ADOS or the Hebrews of Israel were scattered over the globe, especially to America, but other nations as well; where they are continually oppressed (see biblical references above). This will continue until the “times of the Gentiles be fulfilled” (Luke 21:24-26); which is occurring soonest. At the same time, ADOS is on track with Genesis 15:13-14 which says that we will be strangers in a land that is not ours and shall serve them; and be afflicted (endure pain or suffering) 400 years; and the nation, whom we served will the LORD judge; and afterward we shall come out with great substance. Currently, the nations are under judgement, including the following on-going events: fires, floods, tornados, hurricanes, earthquakes, meteorites, sinkholes, pestilences (covid) and locusts, extreme variances in weather, extreme economic downturn, high incidence of deaths, strife and growing fear among the people (Joel 3, 2 Esdras 15:1-27). The plagues culminate in the plague of war (WW3), which, if you’re following the news, is on the horizon.
I just wanted to bring you some awareness, according to the bible, regarding the true identity of ADOS/Hebrew people, and other DOS around the globe. The Negro people are a unique group of people (known as Hebrews) that were removed from Africa and enslaved around the world. You can Google Negroland for more information on the unique people of Judah or Negroland. There is so much more to tell, but not enough space in this forum. Shalom!
Zariah, I'm on board with you. I cannot buy into that false humility. They just don't like us, with or without Jesus!
Zariah Sparrow. Racism is a condition of the heart and something ALL races are guilty of. You see it in Africa in the form of tribalism and we see it here from black people as well. It seems to me that black people feel justified in their racism. They think it's okay to call white people Karen and cracker. I don't understand what a black person in America today can't do because of "the system". It's easier for a black person to get in to College for example. A lot of white people don't have the means or the grades so they can get a higher education.What stops a black person from starting a business for example? Is it not allowed? Help me understand. Why do white people have to do things for you? You're free, you're equal, go get it! I understand that the crazy Marxists also called BLM think that white people that own land or a house should give that to black people. Why!!?? They worked for it. They didn't steal it. And don't come dragging with native Indians. I'm white. I don't own my house, I don't own land. So because I have chosen a different route should I now ask people to give that to me? It doesn't make sense. You work for what you want. Then you can BUY it. I've been to rich black people's houses. Multi-million dollar homes in Southern California. The kind of homes that I know I will NEVER have here on earth and I'm okay with that. They earned it. They were willing to pay a price to have a home like that. Not all black people are poor and not all white people are rich. It's a false picture. Are there things that can be made better in certain communities? Absolutely. Better schools and things like that. That's why we have to elect people that will make a difference. Don't blame every regular Joe because he's white. He had nothing to do with it. Vote for people that care about you and America...
@@truthseeker3688 You can't just take scripture the way you do and apply that to African Americans. That's false teaching. In Jesus Christ all of God's promises belong to us who belong to Jesus. That's a biblical way to look at it. America has the largest population of Jews in the world unless Israel has passed that number now. Here is some of the diaspora history of the Jewish people. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews
If you had walked into an Orthodox Church, the Original church of the Apostles, you would have known of the African contribution to the faith; as its walls are adorned with faces of color and black Saints have been venerated and look upon with admiration for well over 1,500 years. THAT is the Black Church. The Church of Christ. The Church that enjoys Apostolic secession. Not this western construct that you criticize. Find your way home brother as all the degrees in the world cannot guide you. For "STRAIT" is the gate and narrow is the way..... May God bless you and guide you.
It sounds like the President from Biola knows that the biblical Israelites are black.
Lol!! You wish!
@@helenal.7881 Careful now….your racist attitudes are showing. Your opinion doesn’t matter. My ancient and current DNA matches and history books written prior to the 1900s tell the truth. Ancient DNA found in archaeological digs doesn’t lie…but people do. So carry on with your irrelevant opinions.
@@DallasCowboysDiehard lol lol.
I love you Bishop but you cannot be a racist. You may be prejudice, or a bigot but you can't be a racist by definition. Racism is defined as a power structure that allows one group to put a system in place where they use their race to direct discrimination against people of different race based on the belief that their own race is superior. It has been around since the transatlantic slave trade where the idea of one race being superior to another became instituted in order to excuse the enslavement of a group of people based solely off the color of their skin. Black people have often been accused of being racist by the very people who were racist to them. The issue with calling a Black person racist is that Black people, by definition, cannot be racist. Racism only exist within a power structure that systematically and institutionally rewards whiteness. The closer you are to being white, the more power you hold.
Robert Horton:
Solid contribution!
Black folks been woke, we are controlling the narrative.
Thank you for the lesson.
@@KCal1213
What have you learn?
Amen!! Until we get the definition correct, many whites simply would not get the depth of this evil known as racism. Bias is discrimination. Prejudice is discrimination. But racism, it is discrimination and a systemic attack on the entire being of the black race. It is spiritual in nature. What do I mean? It is satanic and its operative is high wicked places. Its attack is tactical and was put into play before the creation of man. The target: Jesus and God's special people: the Tribe of Judah. We are all one bloodline, so yes, our cousins, white and black sold/bought THIS TRIBE into slavery. The goal was and is, is to oppress them and keep them in a mental state of slavery. But Jesus is on His way to make things right. God never scared about skin tone!! God is separating wheat from chaff, good from bad. We, good, will unite and war against evil.
My feelings are this. Everybody knows when they are not exemplifying Christ like behavior. The scriptures are clear. Everybody in their heart of hearts know when they are walking in love and when they are not. White culture is not slow! Many of them have benefited from the spirit of racism because that demon is a strong hold in their life! Ive heard so many believers say they have never recd the baptism in the Holy Ghost and I understand why. When some ppl come to repentance, they are really giving up everything and everybody. Other ppl come to Christ and are attracted to the concept of Christianity but they still have unresolved sin they are struggling with. They have not sold out to Jesus! They are unable to live holy. I dont think these things need to be explained to white ppl. They are not hard to understand. Many of them are under demonic oppression. And if they dont get it right before they die. H--- will be their portion! Thats just what its gonna be. God is holy! Aint gonna be no confusion in heaven! White ppl know how they act. They pretend its hard to understand the plight of the black community in order to "save face" w/a few of their black associates.
Great conversation. However, anyone can be prejudice but blacks can never be racist. Racism is a group of people who have the power to oppress another group or race of people.That's racism.
Blacks have never had the power to be racist.
Some of these men have totally missed the point here, yet again. I am not surprised and I am not even that much of a cynicist. Bishop, you tried, however, this type of discussion does not help these pastors see that they are complicit in what has been happening to us. Lord, have mercy, they cannot even say, "racism". The thing they need to realize is that their white congregants are the people they need to reach. It is not necessary to promote adjacency. That is simply another trick bag. They need to unpack so many of their own biases before they can teach others how to live an anti-racist life.
This is Just talk. That’s all you will do, because you all know the cost and sacrifice that real change take and you are not committed enough to pay the price. Cute dialogue.
I believe that God is answering the prayers that were prayed even before I was born before he comes. He will deliver Black people from the hands of the oppressors. Those who are not on board will hopefully repent or face the repercussions of a God who does not support the racism and oppression of others.
Your own people are their biggest oppressors!!! A kingdom divided against itself will fall!!! You are a protected group. Quit your complaining. That’s why yall have never reached yet your promised land. All you do is complain, complain complain…just like The children of Israel in The Wilderness.
I am glad he is speaking up but he did let his people down by not taking up the mantle of MLK and Joseph Lowery. He needs to continue and work with the Rev. Barber who is leading the charge against racism in this nation. Too many of the pastors who have become so spiritual that they are of no Earthly good.
All these pastors and not one Bible verse came out and over an hour discussion...
Matthew 23:13-39
King James Version
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Just having a multiethnic. - visible diversity - is not enough. Diversity does not result in inclusion and equity - unless the leadership has the vision and skills to create that climate. A White pastor who oversee an all white membership has tremendous power in addressing white privilege and systematic racism. So that church framework is very relevant and critical. A Black pastor who oversee an all Black church is also critical - provides a sense of ethnic/cultural safety and empowerment. Do not be pious and “ White privilege “ in marginalizing” ethnically homogeneous churches. The leadership will determine the cultural health and efficacy of the church - be it all black/white/or ethnically diverse
SPOT ON
You nailed it. Biblically-based teaching about issues such as hate and injustice and leadership in the church, whatever the colour of the skin, is the key for change.
The pastor's hearts were in the right place, but most of their responses were voiced through the lense of white privilege. Even when Pastor Ulmer shared tears of hurt and pain, none of them addressed the issue he was sharing in that moment -- his failing to address racial injustice on behalf of his own race because he didn't want to make his white counterparts uncomfortable. These 'pastor panels' on race are popular right now but they all have the same hollow words and pleasantries, each one barely scratching the surface. The truth is white Christians only want to hear what is palettable to them, and black Christians with platforms to have these discussions won't press them beyond that point. So that then begs the question: How honest can a conversation about race be when the allegiance between white evangelicals and the most openly racist and racially divisive president we've ever seen is never even mentioned during the conversation? Until that is honestly addressed, the sincerity of what is being said will be challenging to accept.
That is why all churches were shut down. Why are you trying to reopen without a plan according to what God is requiring.
Just get back to the Bible!!
White Caucasian people have no idea what it is like being a black person living amongst white Caucasian racist people, you can only empathise and image what it is like to know you have to remind yourself you are a black person and it is what life is like living in a country that have racism alive and active and because of your racist you are treated differently at a job, at any interview, how much your salary will be and it makes no difference to how much of hard worker you are you will never be compensate for your contribution in a company.
When God is ready to move all people will know it. Thank you White people. God was waiting on your humanity!
Liberals love God!! Republicans USE God for human power!!!
Are you missing your frontal cortex you poor soul??
Ask God how to use your power advantage of being white correctly