Kirk Franklin talks with Matt Crouch, Robert Morris, and Dr. Tony Evans on TBN | Praise
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- Kirk Franklin and Dr. Tony Evans discuss the issue of race in the church with Matt Crouch and Robert Morris. For more on Kirk Franklin visit www.kirkfranklin.com.
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The fact that Tony Evans ALWAYS brings everything back to theology in his response is AWESOME! It is definitely the best way to go. Teach us the way and will of the Lord. Amen!!! 🙌🏾👏🏾
He shows us who can solve this problem.
Christians must be taught to present the gospel to this culture.
Roslyn Williams ABSOLUTELY!!
searcher for truth what do you mean by “wordy responses get in the way” in the way of what?
Dr. Tony Evans is going to direct you back to the word of God, any and every-time he speaks
Wisdom!
Yes indeed. Praise Jesus!
Absolutely..... He is the man for real. I love his wisdom from the word...
The armor of God are all defensive weapons except for one that is an offensive weapon -- "... the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:"
Ephesians 6:17
I love that about him. The word should be the final authority on any subject matter for the believer.
Dr. Evans wrote, "Until there is a willingness on behalf of whites in the evangelical world to sit or serve underneath the leadership and teaching of blacks, and not simply drop in from time to time for a “cultural” experience, true racial progress will not have been achieved." powerful comment
And visa versa there wont be a willingness until BOTH sides listen to each other.
@@DGChance your comment is why schism will continue to exist in the church (and society).
@@Shedacakelady ?
@@DGChance Your comment seemed toned death on what was being said. It had been my experience, (for the past 25 years in particular) worshiping at predominantly white congregations many of the racial/social issues, injustices were ignored. That is a fact. Kirk articulated this point and what it would take to solve it.
@@Shedacakelady Yessss mam
I love all 4 of these men, God bless all of you.
Yes!
As a white Christian and fan of Kirk's for 20+ years (have attended 9 live concerts), I'm GRATEFUL for this conversation. I remember talking with Billy and Sarah Gaines in 1998 about systemic racism on Christian radio. I am saddened that this continues and appears to be MUCH WORSE in 2020. How can this be? Only the enemy working in our world...our nation...our culture...our church. Jesus, we need YOU more than ever. Kirk, I ❤ you... stay strong... keep speaking TRUTH!
💙🙏💙 Dr Evans... you inspired me this morning... loved the online service! I've been a listener since my conversion in 1993 on Moody Bible Radio in Chicago. Thank you, brothers for this conversation! REAL HUGS ... NOT just kumbaya 🥺🥺🥺 Pastor Evans... most BEAUTIFUL prayer I've EVER heard ❤💔❤
What is a white Christian?? Smh
@@5822huron I appreciate your comment...I really don't know how to respond, as it wasn't comfortable for me to write, either. I'm truly horrified that we are even discussing color in 2020, but my only point was this...I see the racism within the music industry...I have seen,for nearly 25 years, the lack of diversity within the realm of contemporary Christian music and that, when attending gospel concerts (varied artists), that I have been one of very few white people in attendance. (This is not the case for more mainstream music like pop, jazz, r&b or rap) Kirk even has mentioned it during the concerts. This indicates to me that the systemic racism limits exposure to a larger audience (just a theory). I want to see a change... I'm praying for a change. I don't understand the problem, so these conversations are very important.
Once again,what is a white Christian?
@@5822huron not sure how to answer... my identity is a follower of Christ... also known as Christian...I happen to also be Caucasian. Is the term offensive? Inaccurate? Inappropriate? Because I REALLY want to know.
Thank you again for your reply...I am not upset by the discussion...I will say that I prefer to avoid conflict, but do wish to be educated.
I've alway thought Dr. Evans is the greatest communicator of the gospel on the planet. In his great book, ONENESS EMBRACED, Dr. Evans wrote, "Until there is a willingness on behalf of whites in the evangelical world to sit or serve underneath the leadership and teaching of blacks, and not simply drop in from time to time for a “cultural” experience, true racial progress will not have been achieved." That convicted me and my wife. We've been members of Oak Cliff Bible Fellowship since August 2019. We've never been in a church where we've been more loved...
amazing
Wow... And blessings to the family 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
This brought me to tears brother...
I have listened to him teach for years, even before the Lord saved my soul. .One thing I do know is that if a person ( black or white, or whatever race) don't allow the Lord to save them, prejudice, hatred, and all sin CANNOT be washed away.we are human beings, and we cannot wash our own selves.we were ALL born in sin, But Jesus died on the cross to SAVE His people from their sins. UNLESS we truly repent and be baptized in Jesus Name, and allow His Holy Ghost Power to come inside of us and live, we are still unclean regardless of how we go through all kinds of meetings and services and rituals.its time out for play, God is real and we are not going to make it without being Born again if water and Spirit. God's word cannot lie..it's time to run to Jesus Christ..our Savior!📖📖
I agree with everything you wrote. To me in this day and age. It shouldn't be racial nothing in th ed Christian word. But if this conversation changes the heart of White Brother's & Blacks Brother's. Then so be it and be blessed.
So thankful for this discussion. We need this in the Church more than ever! My prayer is that body of Christ would lead in this area!
Yes sir!
Amen!
We was not met to he together. Let God people go. Your worship gods if Roman
This is sooo powerful. The Holy Spirit is moving and bringing changes.
To that random person reading this just know that God loves you and He has a great plan for your life 🙏🏽
Nansubuga Amina Nyabo!
Thank you
I love you Kirk Franklin.You have touched my life thru your songs🥰
Dr. Tony Evans is a man of wisdom. Kirk Franklin is hurting, but standing his ground on his belief.
I RECEIVE ❣️
❤ Dr. Tony Evans.... such a wise man of God!
Lots of respect for Dr. Evans true kingdom man of God walking the walk in Jesus name thank you Lord Amen
Love Dr Evans.....just wondering how Kirk got on here with him??
Clearly he’s on another level. Absolutely magnificent.
Kirk was good aswell
@@butterfly-pf8lj actually kirk was not good. And this all started, kind of cause kirk brought in some talking points from the Democrat machine of dividing people on social economic and race, to the dove awards. And since when do Christian's get awards for praising God lol that goes against all scripture most people learn that as baby Christians unreal.
This is awesome that this came out before what is going on now... God has BEEN calling on the church... Thank you Mr. Crouch and Mr. Morris for being honest. Kirk Franklin and Tony Evans, beautiful job articulating the issues at hand. God is awesome
“One race! Many colors!”
- Ivor Myers
Thank you Men of God for having this conversation. I have been trying to get the pastor of my church, a non-denominational mixed race church, to have conversations like this. I believe nothing will ever be solved, if the CHURCH doesn't stand up and have the hard conversations in and with the congregation. I pray that more and more conversations will happen. Not just for TH-cam and other social media outlets but EVERYWHERE! ESPECIALLY THE CHURCH!!! Too many preachers, deacons, bishops and evangelists are not speaking up and out. Not only does it sadden God but it angers Him. Love u Kirk Franklin and Dr. Tony Evans!!! 🙌🏾❤🙏🏾
Thank You Kirk Franklin for speaking truth from the ❤️ heart. This conversation is much needed and appreciated. White Christians must stand up to ALL unrighteousness,not just their select few!! Praise God for the commentary!!
"Edited out" is exactly right Kirk Franklin. INDEED!
The more I listen to Kirk Franklin the more I respect him. Dude is loaded with wisdom and he is sharp in knowledge. Much respect to you brother! ✊🏾
Dr Tony Evans's wisdom is out of this world 🙌🙌🙌 too much oil
Yes I love Tony Evans God bless him
REAL TALK
I agree, he really articulates the word of God where you can understand what God is saying to his children 🙏
This is so SAD and ENCOURAGING. It's sad that it's 2020 and we're still having to have these types of conversations yet encouraging that these men were willing and courageous enough to have them. I especially honor Kirk for standing on his convictions and the courage it took to get here.
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We will continue to have this conversation untill the truth is taught, recognized, and accepted about how America (the americas) were formed and established without bias or accusation, ( on either side ) a TRUTHFUL and HONEST account of what happened....we have to start at the beginning.
This cannot be fixed with a "hug and a selfie" backstage. Thank you Dr. Evans, Pastor Morris, and Kirk. Dr. Evans is always the voice of reason for a generation. Matt - your parents were wonderful!
You can see and feel the genuine agony from Pastor Robert Morris, he is such an inspirational man of God.
Yes!
Agree.
Yup! I've learned so much from Robert. All these men are great men of God!
7/7/24. We learned recently that RMorris sexually abused a girl when she was 12-16 and he was 21-25. It was never told about to police. He no longer pastors Gateway.
'Not just justice in the womb, but justice to the tomb" Dr. Tony. Wow.
Yesssss...Pro-life is from the womb to the tomb.
I definitely had to rewind a few times on Dr. Evans as well as Kirk because the phrases and biblical truths were smoother than any glass of wine 🍷 I use to drink!!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾 It wasn’t to tickle your ears 👂 but to convict your heart wherever necessary!! I literally wanted Dr Evans to be my earthly dad (I never knew my dad) and Kirk to be a long lost brother 🤣 I just came to really know💝 “A mist in the pulpit is a fog in the pew”!!! Come through Jesussssss🙌🏾🙌🏾❤️‼️
That was so profound!
@@veehive9638 I agree prolife from the womb to the tomb
Yes but if you don't give justice in the womb. Than you ought not have justice to the tomb. It sounds good but if you think about it Kind of not logical. I'm afraid that if those crying and complaining for social justice truly seen the justice of God they would say we don't want it Lord. We would rather have mercy.
God isn’t just a JUST God for the white, but for the black, and every other race and creed. God loves justice not based upon color, but based upon HIS character.
AaaaaaMennnnn... Sister 🙏
Amen.
The heaven is JUSTICE/JUDGMENT court room Ancient of Days, the book is open
The GOD of Israel is for Israel only, where in the Bible did it say he’s everybody God. You’ll never find it and God hates Malachi 1:3-4, Romans 9:13, Psalms 83:2-8. Negros , Hispanics, and Native Americans are the Hebrew Israelites and the Chosen people of Yahawah Bahasham Yahawashi.
Amen True justice not based on color but character.
Thank you Kirk Franklin for expressing my heart. I have stopped watching Christian television since 2007 when it showed horrendous and blatant racism to Barack Obama’s candidacy and later, his presidency. This dialogue gives me a bit of hope. Thanks to Pastor Morris, Dr. Evans and Matt Crouch as well.
I wish people would understand that within the TRUE Christian community, it was not about the race of Obama, it was about the ungodliness of Obama. It was about the deception and infiltration that people with discernment saw from the beginning. He admitted later to being Muslim. He admitted to being from Kenya. And he's called his "wife" Michael! He was and is a traitor. Nothing to do with his race!
@@latashatacy609 Where did you get this from? This is propaganda, where are your facts.
@@shabinslu um, there's several videos on TH-cam. Go look them up. Dont take my word for it.
@@latashatacy609 LOL...I guess everything on TH-cam is gospel.
@@latashatacy609 Oh please! You're spouting more racist trash right there. He absolutely DID NOT "admit" to being Muslim. Hes Baptist for Gods sake! Hes BEEN BAPTIST! Just admit it. "My name is Latasha and I'm a racist."
I so appreciate both Kirk and Dr. Evans communicating with all transparency and accountability. God bless them for their honesty
In reality the body of Christ does not communicate unity
Dr. Tony Evans God bless you for always bringing us back to the word of God. God bless each of you. ❤❤❤
Yes he does!!!
AMEN AMEN AMEN
Praise God! For theses men, who love Jesus and righteousness.
Thanks, TBN!❤🤗 for airing this discussion.
This took place months ago and now given the current state of America evangelicals still haven’t said anything. Which is extremely sad.
I seriously thought this was last week until I looked at the date..
They aren't that vocal because 1. Jesus is the answer 2. they adhere to Galatians 3:28 which says there is neither Jew nor Greek to those are in Christ so they don't obsess over race so much & 3. Because the issues facing the black population today doesn't have to do with racism the issue is internal and has to do with the culture.
Boys being raised by single moms is not normal outside of the black culture. Around 70% of children are born out of wedlock in the black population today. Boys without dads are more likely to be poor, commit crime & end up in jail lifeisbeautiful.org/statistics-on-fatherless-homes/?fbclid=IwAR3LnZ-5vx43BSNb7VfnB_pIZMmLBRa47lHfzAD4Rw2YzwUyfQCPUv9_jrE. It wasn't like this before the 60's it's a new phenomena that started after with President Lyndon John's war on poverty which gave single women with children free government money if they were not married or had a partner th-cam.com/video/SW61CeB3nLY/w-d-xo.html&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0EPFhv45SMBvoZSon7V58k0NLgdBBoxxHOGX77uDpjN_rfNArggRRZvcY. Many black women decided to capitalize on this as a result its led to many fatherless boys & now the black population has the highest crime rate out of any racial group the 2nd highest are hispanics.
This is what has led to the constant police interactions with the black population and the profiling in the inner cities, profiling isn't racism. Issues with the police is a symptom to much deeper problem. The black population is in more immediate danger of being robbed, assaulted and killed by another black person than they are of being killed by the police. Compared to black on black homicides vs deaths by police the black population has a 2% chance of being killed by a police officer. The high crime rates is what brings property values down reducing funding for the schools in the inner cities.
Nigerians & West Indians who are nearly identical to Black Americans and they are not seeing the same issues that Black Americans are seeing because Mom & Dad being in the home raising their kids is the norm in these groups fordhaminstitute.org/national/commentary/power-two-parent-home-not-myth?fbclid=IwAR3aHZTSu-wSvNNhaKg2EpKQX3bMdZhNE75AmRK35qlT959HJUc3bK-WODM & because they are immigrants they aren't allowed to be on welfare driving them towards higher education or entrepreneurship taking full advantage of the opportunities in the United States. These are among the most successful minority groups in the U.S. & so it's got nothing to with racism and everything to do with culture, if it was racism then these minority groups would be affected too & that's not the case. Evangelicals won't get behind false cases of racism only real ones.
Excuse me but I'm a white Evangelical and I said something
Michael Ford Words without action are useless but thank you for saying something.
Law19157 All of this that you’ve said is a joke. And with all that being said they all should be ashamed. Saying nothing has spoken loudly. But they most definitely support a racist that is in the White House. They spoke loudly on that. Speak when it comes to unborn children but grown people dying in the streets they say nothing. Can get support by all races but when it comes to fighting or standing up for those people.....dead silence. Shame on the all. They are being exposed.
Kirk, I thank the Lord for allowing you, Tony Evans, Robert Morris, and Matt Crouch for being Agents of Change in a complex and in-depth conversation. It's time for the discussion and dialogue!
I just want to say thank you.
God "is able to exceeding abundant above all that we could ask, or think...."
This is amazing. I pray this sparks some tangible change in the church. Call a thing a thing & stop playing in God’s face.
I couldn't have said it any better!
This is awesome. I love the fact that Kirk didn’t hold back. These things need to be said. I love these people. God bless Mr Crouch, Pastor Morris and Pastor Evans
Wow, this is a powerful conversation and I am so glad that TBN had the courage to broadcast it. And I am glad that they have been doing it before the current events. In Christ there is no East or West, in him no South or North, but one great fellowship of love throughout the whole wide earth.
35:25
I shouldn't have to beg a Christian to be more Christ-like.
Tahzi Bizimungu
You’re 100% right but here’s the thing to think 🤔 about “No one would have to beg a (true Christian) to be more Christ like if they were truly that (A Christian)”. Again, you are spot on with your comment! ❤️
And also I'm not going to beg any race including my own to love me are sit down and talk about why you hate me, If you hate me then you hate me but I'm going to love you as the Lord says so, but I'm not going to beg no person to like, or love me.
Keith
You’re so right and even Jesus doesn’t expect us to (beg) for anything but instead to simply ask for what we need even from our Heavenly Father. It would be so nice to move pass subjects like what this video is talking about but there has always been and most likely will always be individuals and church body that will not see pass their own wants, desires, needs or fleshly ways. All any of us can do is walk upright before God and others as best we can until he calls us home to be judged according to what we did and said on earth 🌏
@@keith4533 you sound like a true Jamaican. That's how true Jamaicans role.
No you should never beg, but remember we all fall short of the glory of God, which is no excuse of course for ignorant racism. What white. The fact is white Christian's specifically need to repent and get a true revelation of the devastation they have caused, allowed, looked the other way from as well as profit off the luxury of supporting a racist system weather they knew they were or not. As the Truth arises so will the manipulation of how the scriptures have been interpreted dominated by the white church. Yes I said that.
Yes! Re: Dr. Tony Evans "Every time he opens his mouth we learn something about the Bible."
Great message... appreciate this !
Some eye opening stuff shared here... weather we.like it or not. Let's be part of the solution not the problem.
I am in.
What a healing show. Love that Tony Evans is on here. He has always been one of my favorites.
Great conversation! I loved the humility, transparency, and biblical nature of the discussion. This was a genuine conversation seeking biblical solutions and answers to a real problem.
Do not receive the Mark of the beast. Sunday sacredness is about to be enforced by law
Pastor Morris not only is it hatred but
it’s also rooted in fear and that certainly doesn’t come from God...good point👍🏽
Oh my this was good!!! Thank you Lord for what you are doing in your church in this season!! It was time!!
"Find your racial pride first in Jesus!" - Dr. Tony Evans
Yes Jesus is the answer!!!
THESE ARE SATANISTS
Kirk! This was not easy, but you did a great job!!
I believe Kirk means well, but in order to be effective and help himself and be a help to others, he will have to be taught by God and receive the Holy Ghost...then he will make a great leader! our money don't mean anything to God, because God owns heaven and earth..in fact, we can gain this world and lose our own soul. God forbid! but we all need Jesus on the inside, we are humans, dust from the ground.and except we repent and seek the Lord, we can all talk to Jesus come..but it won't change nothing or help nobody.NOT without the Power of God!!🙏🙏🙏
@@bettyrussell2661, I am trying to understand your statements on this post. Are you criticizing something that Kirk Franklin said? I don't quite get your point. Thanks for clarifying.
@@pamelaperkins2507 As I posted, I believe he means well, but not only Kirk but men, women are talking, talking and talking more and more ...but the real answer lies in the word of God.📖.and if we are going to be a help to the people, we must first be taught.. by God. The answer to the evil and prejudice in this world is not to come together, but to COME to Jesus Christ.without Him, we don't have Life, whether we are rich or poor, because God Owns heaven and earth. when we try and help the world without God's wisdom and understanding, we don't have anything to help the people with.. because my own understanding is no good the True understanding is the Word of God!🙏🙏🙏
@@bettyrussell2661 he said kirk did a great job. A great job for who and why was that a great job. He makes alot of money from his singing career, he went to recieve an award for praising God and than was aloud a couple minutes to give thanks to those supporting his career. But no he wanted more time to shine and act like he is so caring and kind he wants the spotlight. It's not enough he is rich and that he is famous and that he receives honor from mere men like even that of the bet awards. I was kind of let down that Robert Morris and crouch let him take advantage of there time. And that Tony Avans was supporting his complaint.
@@truth0077 Amen..I agree.lets just put it this way. These people are gaining the whole world and losing their souls... Its about money, fame.bht we will ALL answer to the Judgement seat of Christ...and this is the most serious part of our lives.ive got to give in account for how I lived in Every part of my life...it's heaven or hell..the soul NEVER dies .Gods word cannot lie 📖📖
I bless God that Pastor Robert opened his heart and obeyed the Holy Spirit's conviction and leading.
Thank you TBN for addressing this quickly! I was going in on TBN! I was devastated to learn how Kirk Franklin was treated and I'm glad you all addressed this. I love Kirk Franklin, Pastor Tony Evans, Pastor Robert Morris and my TBN family. Thank you for doing the right thing TBN.
Powerful...Thank You Kirk...You advocated for a people and raised a standard to address the issues that be!....
I'm impressed with how Kirk communicated his stance on this issue. (Even down to the hug that seemed very out of place.)
I agree the hug was extremely awkward
I am 62 year old black woman and I understand the hug may appear to not be genuine to some because the situation and topic is uncomfortable. No disrespect, Dr. Evan's and the Other elder pastor are addressing the issue from wisdom, knowledge and understanding . They have also been trained for their positions and not willing to compromise . Pastor Morris an overseer of the church I attend.
wanda m Uncomfortable for who? Black people have been conditioned to make white people feel comfortable about our pain and oppression. And Kirk was totally right. Furthermore white evangelicals .. what’s up with all the support of this ungodly racist 45th president? How can you be a follower of Christ and get behind this man. It’s offensive. Mr Gimme a Hug made no attempt to help us understand that.
i elmore always feel that Kirk is very real. No pretense, no PC, no secondary intent. His music reveals his heart for God and lost souls
@@LovelovelyJesus I wrote two of the "white" Christian radio that I listens to and my children and they never responded so, I found a black station. I still listen to the two white stations. My children took a long time to assimilate to the "black" station because all I knew when I move to Texas was those stations. Now, however, I've been expose to many different stations here in Texas.
DONT TELL ME YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN. SHOW ME!
Amen. Got to walk it as well. Galatians 5:25
Yes I had a Chinese lady tell me that when I first started a job and her actions spoke louder than her being a Christian that's why I love my God because he always reveal the truth in us watch out for a wolf in sheep's clothing
@@s.a.g.g.e1825 Right got to ask God for the discernment & stay prayed up. God 1st before any decision.
Indeed
I Pray for Growth
I experienced the same defening "silence" at the predominantly white church I used to attend during the police brutality against the black community. In fact when some of the white leaders/members spoke about the issue they would ask for prayers for God to protect the police only! It was really eye opening and appalling! God exposed a lot of people's true colors during that time and it caused such contentious and divisions in the church. Many black members were hurt and angry and left the church and some left the Lord altogether to embrace their ancestors gods as a result. But I thank God that the pastor eventually spoke out against white supremacy and reaffirmed his love and commitment to the black members. Sadly though many of the white members didn't appreciate what he did and they refused to stand with him on the matter. The church was never the same again after that! I really appreciated and respected the pastor for what he did for us but I just couldn't bring myself to join another white church again. God is still dealing with me and my own prejudices and distrust towards many of my white brothers and sisters as a result! Lord have mercy on us all and help us to love like you!
Zahrah..first of All, you you need not call racist people supremist!!!, look the word up, they are in no way Supreme!!! Only GOD IS SUPREME.. stop agreeing with these racist folks by accepting the "supremist" to their title, but use the opposite word of supremist
After finishing watching this awesome video, I went hunting for every video on TH-cam featuring Dr. Tony Evans - the man blew me away with his wisdom - I was constantly rewinding his speaches - I salute you sir and thank God for your life.
Thank you for publishing this conversation. The way you have framed this is spot on!
Amazing people...glad this conversation came through...nothing but Love!
United by Privilege is a book that is very relevant as far as this discussion pertains. I hope many of us can read it. This discussion is so special and relevant to the end time revival that is coming into REALITY right before our eyes. Hallelujah 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
This is by far one of the best conversations on this subject. I’m glad that Min. Kirk and Dr. Evans are being transparent. I saw a different show and the black preachers were tip toeing around the subject ~ I interpreted that as they still have a suppressed mindset.
I love the Kirk and Dr Tony two punch combo, Kirk with the 🔥 and Dr Tony with the word of God explanation.
Dr Morris listening and commenting is the right approach.
Crouch can take several seats, that hug 🤗 did nothing for me
Agreed. I’m glad Kirk addressed the so called “kumbaya” moment.
Very Good messages I did have a Problem with Kirk. Referring to Our P.O.T.U.S. so let me get this Right his words were 🔥 but he has Issues with Who is running this Country?? Brother where is your discernment? God Allowed this Presidency to take Place. What is the Problem? Maybe some one needs to check his Spirit..👀👀
@@RoyalTea70 what he stated is that he has issues with the church not calling out the un-christian like or immoral behavior shown by the president. He is not talking about policy or politics, he is talking about the character shown by a supposed Christian man, and the church's support or lack of rebuke toward those actions.
@@flavanthensome Thanks for more Clarity. 😀
Let Revival Begin In Jesus Name! Love you Kirk, Pastor Tony, Pastor Robert, Matt.
Chad Cooper 🙏!!!!!!!!
Kirk Franklin I am so proud of you for standing for justice and truth and for your powerful and articulate voice. You give me great hope!
So well spoken, O I just sent to my white pastor. As a black women this has been my heart for so long, Kirk.
Thank you
I’m am so thankful y’all had this conversation without any fear. I’m absolutely proud of all of you. God can handle all of this!
THESE types of conversations should be happening on the regular ... It's exactly why I tend to only be an online church goer, because I cannot find a place where I feel totally welcomed and not invisible .... I'm over the pomp and circumstance ... and not being a relevant, welcome member, just as I am ...
This is so sad, brother. I'm so saddened by it! Keep praying and God will show you the right congregation for you. It might be a small family church, no pretence, but shining with the love of God
@@Eunice.Aceto75 . Thank you. In light of where we are, right now, I must say, I'm the 'rule' not the exception, anymore. But I do think WHEN we come thru this, I will look for that smaller congregation. Bless You.
Hi. I am not sure where you're located but our church in Kentucky is wonderful and diverse.
Be the change you desire.
Young Brother, God knows your end from your beginning therefore He knew you would be at this crossroad. Trust me God will lead you where you need to be, if online worship is where you are right now, He knew that too. I dont know if you've heard of Elevation Church? I listen to them every Sunday before leaving my house to my home church.....I know just how you feel. Yes, I'm much older than you, but been where you are. God Bless 💜
I love Tony Evan's
teachings because he sticks to the word right which God is all for.
Kirk, I love how eloquently and informatively you spoke here. This was really powerful!
Thanks so much for this. This has been a huge pain in my heart at times. Thankful that leaders are addressing it.
Enjoyed listening to this very important dialogue. First and for most, thank you Kirk for standing your ground, and speaking out against the subject of racism in the Christian community. So many have hid their head in the sand and pretended like it didn’t exist. Thank you to Peter Crouch for saying he wants to understand, and now (hopefully) perhaps the seeds have been planted for some real change.
I love Dr. Evans teachings. The man is truly blessed. Great conversation!
This is so powerful. I have always loved & respected Kirk Franklin & his music. Dr. Tony Evans is a phenomenal speaker & Pastor Morris has always set a great biblical example. Thankful to a friend who shared this with me 💓
KIRK AND PASTOR EVANS THEY REAKLLY DID COMMUNICATE IT CLEARLY!!!!!!!!!
Agree . Every one needs to see this. If there is a genuine love for Christ.
Amen. Awesome job making it plain without a litany of big words and phrases. Point being black lives being taken and the white church was silent even with them having black congregants.
really appreciate this conversation, opening dialogue and communication for further action, thought, and understanding. it’s long overdue. the church can effect change the world will see and desire to emulate. this is a door inviting us towards that future. thank you
Pastor Evans knows how to bring in home in the Bible on race.
Tony Evans is a BEAST in the Faith.. Love hearing him speak. So much wisdom from God!
THIS MAKES MY HEART SING! This doesn’t fix anything but this starts a conversation for all of us between our races. Kirk I am so proud of you. Thank you Dr. Evans.
This is a most important discussion! Thank you Kirk for your leadership in this dialogue on race. There is much healing that needs to take place.
Thank you TBN And the insightful panelists! Glory be to God
This is a wonderful conversation. I love Kirk's openness, honesty and vulnerability.
I often hang on Gal. 2:20 w/o the context of verses 11-19. Dr. Evans broke that down very well. This was a necessary conversation, and I appreciate the spirit of how it was communicated.
Thank you Pastor Evan's. That analogy was everything!
Wow!!! Brother Kirk, you nailed it. Everything you said was so on point!!! Thank you very much for sharing. You expressed in that interview our struggles, feelings, and challenges within the body of Christ. Hurt, frustration, and disappointment are words that summarize it. Again, thank you 🙏🏻!
KF is an under-celebrated gem. Thank you brother in Christ. ❤️
Tony Evans makes the most sense. Always speaks the WORD and not all the filler stories.
Linda Linda The “filler stories” are personal stories. Tony Evans has several “filler stories” watch or listen to his sermons.
They all spoke the Word. Those stories are needed for education, empathy and understanding. They speak to the reality of the issue on a personal level.
Lynnetta C Just a thinly-veiled deflection to escape the issue or hide prejudice. That’s their choice, but it is what it is.
See, scripture is distant and doesn’t speak specifically about black/white racial issues, so people In some circles would rather have Christians who are calling out the body of Christ to change just “shut up and preach”.....like they want Lebron to “shut up and play ball” (thankfully he isn’t) and so on.
Pastor Morris said it perfectly. Sympathy, then empathy.......but some people out of pride won’t have either. Can’t wait on ‘em or worry about them. Identify it, move on, pray and partner with those who DO care. Cognitive dissonance doesn’t always result in positive change.
Praise the Lord!! That Dr. Tony Evans is such a godly intelligent & wise leader!! I luv him! Kirk Franklin, u did a great job in this conversation! God bless u!!! Let the conversation continue & healing began!
This conversation is much needed. I don't know if this segment was re-broadcast, but it should be. Our young people need to hear this conversation, because they do not want any part of the church. God heal us!
Excellent discussion. Thanks, Kirk Franklin, for being candid and spaking truth. This was a great start. The church must lead. Every pastor should begin to have these types of conversations. Let us be led by the Holy Spirit to do what is just and right, according to the Word of God. Dr. Evans and Pastor Morris, thanks for sharing your hearts and God's word. Matt Crouch, thanks for TBN's response by airing this show. To God be the Glory!
When your heart is right everything else will line up. It is about Love and Truth.
Amen
Amen...and it takes the Power of God ( The Holy Ghost) to come in that heart and change it! we all were evil from our youth, God's word cannot lie.but when we truly hear and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, and repent of our sins. We are NEW creatures in Jesus Christ. but the heart is deceitful ( God's word said it📖) and that heart will make a person think he's on his way to heaven without receiving the Power of the Holy Ghost 🙏🙏🙏 but we ALL " must be born again"..Glory to His Name.. Jesus Christ!!😇
Betty Russell Amen Amen Amen!!
Amen!
No, peoples hearts have been right and walking in love for over 400 years. Faith without works is dead. If you don’t put in action like what they just did, then you might as well stop talking about it. We have to act in love, act in truth, act in speaking up, act in listening and so on. We remain where we are because we want God to literally come do something. No! We are the church. He sent us to do something.
Great conversations! May the Church rise up and be the Church! It cost Jesus too much!!
"A mist in the pulpit is a fog in the pew" Tony Evans.
This guy is soo good nail on the head boom 💥
Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah Hallelujah
Maybe the “138” people that gave this a thumbs down will find some kind of conviction in their hearts. Sad..
Nubian T I thought the same thing .... like really ? This was amazing ... now we all have to do our part in our own communities to inspire change
Church is the worse place to be church is in your heart
U have to pay to go to church don’t learn anything
It is a social party
@@ebs562 Not ALL church's are like that. No church building is perfect but there are some that will truly feed you the Word of God. Seek and ye shall find.
Needed conversation. I ❤️ Kirk Franklin and his willingness to bring them all together to talk about a tough topic. Religion and Racism. Thank you Kirk and Dr. Tony Evans. 👏🏾🙏🏽
Thank you Robert Morris 💜🙏
I really thank God for Pastor Evans. Thank God for all men and women of God that are pressing to live out scripture in spite of these dark, trying times that we are living in ❤️
Love listening to Dr. Tony Evans dudes speaks the real!!!
Powerful message. Thanks to all of you.
Enjoyed them all and all are so true. One day we may understand when I say, I'm not a black christian, but a christian that's black. Not by my culture, but by my identity in Christ.
Yes and AMEN!!
But we were born black before we found our faith. We are christians i agree
I'm so glad they are having this conversation. Keeping it real!
Fluff won't solve anything, having an honest conversation and a desire to learn and change course is what should happen!
I am so blessed to have seen this. I am and always have been in a spirit of love for you Kirk. You continue to show your blessings. I also am in a spirit of love for for Dr. Tony Evans. I will take from this and run with it in our church.
Thank you my brother God bless you Kirk Franklin speaking the truth stand up for the word of God and may God keep you and bless you in Jesus name
I stopped watching TBN many years ago except to watch Jakes and Joyce Meyer on Sundays. This is a conversation that is long overdue on this platform. Glad it has started. Keep it going. Also, TBN must implement some policies and programmatic changes that will move us farther along the road of reconciliation. Kirk, you did a great job, brother. And so did the other panelists.
This. I applaud this conversation in the context of Kirk & Dr. Evans (thankfully) representing well on the topic. I do wonder how sincere is this on the side of TBN? The political shows and pushing of an opposite perspective of racial reconciliation in that regard and others make one wonder.
@@kimberlyholmes222 - I agree. To do this show but have folks like Huckabee regurgitating the nonsense of the Trump/Fox News administration🤨 is disingenuous at best. The only good thing about Trump's ascent to POTUS is that it has exposed the real truth and mission of many white evangelicals, which is maintaining power at all costs. They can no longer lie and hide behind the "moral majority" mantra after supporting a man who is the very antithesis of what Christ represents. So, I'll wait to see real change on TBN before I celebrate🤨
DivaDawn9 I stop watching it too & still don’t watch it. This station is unlearned having blind eyes that can’t see & ears can’t hear. Romans 11:8
GREAT & powerful conversation! Much respect to Kirk Franklin for so eloquently voicing the issues of hurt being experienced by so many church-going black and brown people. Thank you for verbalizing the outlook and feelings on some of the political and religious leaders' silence.
Ooh man!! Thank God for Dr. Evans’ life 🙏🏾 this is one of the most crucially amazing Christian show I’ve ever watched ♥️
Kirk Franklin, Pastor Morris, Dr. Tony Evans and Matt Crouch I say to you all, WELL DONE.
Tony is so filled with the Spirit!!
Dr. Evans is a genius communicator!! I love all these guys. This is a necessary conversation and needs to be had in the church TODAY!!! We must take the initiative to be the church Jesus died for!
Best advice from Dr Tony Evans!!! Kirk has watered down message together with Robert Morris. We need truth and God's spirit. A true leader lives the Word of God. a message without the power of God there is no change and no impact no chain breaking. We need more powerful and anointed pastors. We can't accomodate sin.