SA security officials 'warned about Polish protocols on weapons'
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 มิ.ย. 2023
- Members of the Presidential Protection Service and journalists travelling with President Cyril Ramaphosa on the African Union peace mission to Ukraine and Russia were grounded in Poland at the weekend. A PPS member was also strip-searched by Polish police. They wanted to confiscate weapons from the chartered flight. Security officials were reportedly warned about custom requirements for transporting weapons via Poland. Security Expert Rory Steyn weighs in.
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It’s this culture of incompetence of our officials, someone did not do their homework. they think Poland is a banana republic like this one where anything and anyone just comes in and welcomed with the spirit of “ubuntu” not caring wether our national security is threatened or not…they are an embarrassment🚮
Please don't feel that way. We're all learning from one another. We're all communicating together. A lot of times, folks don't know what is expected from one place to another. Trust issues, Please note that we do not promote violence. Nothing would happen to your people. Because of all the weapons, that was the biggest concern, and then also, we do have violence in some countries. (Example: We have been working with Haiti people, and therefore is a school not only for polish children, but for all children that parents are allowing to go to school. They have teachers that teach English, Polish, and they already speak Franch.) The Polish gentleman that is helping to get school supplies, they feed them there, computers, etc,, when civil uprising started to happen on Haiti, they wanted to get him immediately out of the country. Haiti is known for grabbing for andbask ransom. They also robbed the school, gangs kill, so much is going on, that for anyone to go there, you do need weapons. I'm sure you are aware of the civil unrest in Haiti. I wish you folks the best, and there's nothing that you folks can't accomplish. It will work out, just give it time. Bless you.
They should investigate and "heads must roll" as a consequence of the outcome.
With rumours of weapon smuggling going around, carrying hundreds of weapons on a peace mission already a bad idea
Boris Johnson once went there, we didn't see any huge additional 130 security personnel. These people were on a jamboree.
Why an entire plane with an extra 100 security detail with 13 crates of weapons ?
Agree, sound fishy and excessive
120 member security detail?
And how many weapons, and what type, were they trying to get into Poland?
What a clown show.
Not surprising that the Poles denied them entry.
ANC can do nothing right, this is just another example. How embarrassing on our governments part.
It goes to show that the degradation of services, like many things is getting worse. It's time to improve.
First know what happened, then comment.
Over 120 securities with 13 containers of arms wanted to escort South African president to Kiev.
Polish asked for the papers of the weapons but SA can not provide them. That was why they were restricted to stay in Poland and wait their president there.
Will your country behave otherwise?
Besides, they informed the Polish authorities of only 30 personnel.
Those weapons are for what?
Stop blowing fake horns.
Hey we live with this daily. The arrogance is mind boggling. And, embarrassing.
Yip! Agree with you 💯 %!
Living in this banana Republic, govern by incompetence, is a daily struggle to navigate day to day! To excel under these circumstances, you must have a special set of unique skills. Otherwise, you will just fade away in the storm of sh!t coming your way!
How about they should let the mzungus clean up their own mess.
You can expect the same rough treatment next time your president arrives in Africa .
@@MarxAlex Nope, we will roll out the red carpet for them on Waterkloof Airforce Base.
Excellent and balanced interview by both participants, thank you.
Thank you for this information
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Everyone knows we not “neutral “ but to spineless to say so. The world wants us to make up our mind ,what is more important to Africa an arm’s dealer or a provider of grain and fertilisers for crops. Bullets or food…. Then we arrogant enough to do this.
Typical ANC arrogance.
Pseudo shopping trip
What did the circus cost_
This was weapon smuggling enough said !!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps a head count and role of each would give us an understanding as to why there were 120?
It's cadre maths at work, 30%
Of course, there was not a single phone call or exchange between Poland and Ukraine about a Russia supporting country *flying into a NATO country, *en route to a country under attack by Russia, *with the final stop Russia, *with a small army of special forces travelling *with a few truckloads of weapons. You think Zelensky danced around the town square when he got that tit-bit of info? Hell no!
Rules, laws - ethics & morality are 1st world concepts ! Reciprocity is not a word that is understood in some backward countries where standards are very low. This is very embarrassing for SA and I will be surprised if the rand does not drop again due to these bumbling dimwits.
🤣🤣🤣but can we agree that the treatment of the female diplomat was unnecessary?
the rand is up like never before .
For sure!!!
@Loadedopinions no not really sorry. Equality means equal treatment diplomatically. Real world 🌎 out there. Not jumped up arrogant Mafia.
@@merle-wq9ir is there diplomacy in her pants ? But I understand, even apartheid government thought they were right somehow in their twisted little heads. Some groups are just morally empty
What was Ramaphosa doing in the Ukraine in the first place? He made an utter fool of himself.
It has nothing to do with Polish protocols. The protocols in place are International protocols. SA has the same protocols. Anyway the security knew about the protocols and deliberately ignored those. Then the question raises about illegal smuggling.
We all learned something from each other. Too many people want to put their two-cents. Whatever happened, most of us weren't there. All the info is coming second-hand. It appears that everyone is an expert in Foreign Diplomatic Affairs, I'm not.
@@PodGoszkimNiebem Sorry, I know Diplomatic regulations, because I live in The Hague and I was a Civil Servant for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
ANC ARROGANCE IS A DISGRACE..
Yes😅😅😅
The only people that will give us the some answers are those security people and South Africans will have know what was carried in those 12 boxes are they corresponding with what was listed on the permit if not action must be taken without fear or favour because now we might be defending or criticising something we don't know but we saw the containers only the contents we don't know if there is nothing to hide they must show us.
Ramaphosa is not Mandela.
Only DA Huizen got warm welcome in boland and ukraine
Because he didn't bring weapons... That simple
These people are undermining Africans...no matter what they say now.
Elect a clown, expect a circus.
That's how a First World country operates.. Not a Banana country. And yet again, we are a joke to the world... 😂😂😂
Poland is not a first world country. They were run by Nazis before the Soviets liberated them.
The department of foreign affairs and the department of intenation relations should be closed down. They have no clue about the rules and regulations of the countries that they need to send our government officials to. This place is a circus.
It is called harassment they were harass on land and from the air
Key point is Poland was not the destination. Ukraine is a warzone. They were moving the president across various check points.
They were not even on the same plane so how could they be moving him anywhere?
Simple, this would never happen to America 🇺🇸 period
Agreed - America would have had all their permits and papers in place.
@jumpinjackflash7140 this is beautifully presented, I love all the additions and confirmation 👍, time to move the needle 🪡 because now we know
Well said Jack.
@@vryburgervanniekaap8055 exactly.
We wouldn't have brought 120 members of security with unregistered weapons... That's why we would have gotten through.
OK let's say they were worried about the arms why they held the reporters......bo Samkele Mseko.....nabo bazofela amahhala😒
Hey I am Polish I read something in Polish news that some of them had good papers can left the plain if they want to but they choose to stay.
Was predicted to happen
Not predictable. Because it is very anti-diplomatic.
We should just stay out of the Ukraine war🤷🏾♂️ let Russia sort them out. They broke they own peace tresty
Strip searching a diplomatic passport holder, confining people to the aircraft in unsanitary conditions, whatever issue there may have been it was clearly not just about the weapons . Considering Poland is the main transit point for weaponry to ukraine and at one point this weaponry was being loaded in Pvt vehicles Olin ukraine with no checks on who received it the polish hypersensitivity on the protective details weapons seems insincere.
Well, is an issue of trust,Ramaphosa is already compromised,the west I believe doesn't trust him,going about bashing and talking about being Putin's buddy,it doesn't help,
Respect the country’s rules where you are traveling pure and simple
Was I the president I would have been afraid to travel with such incompetent chief of security.
But I think he deserves it.
We are Cowboys 🤠
Fools
Sickand tired heari ng this. WHere is the woman who was stripped off.?Why cant you show her.Why cant she tell how this happened to her where did they make the striptease this Polish people Security.Why can't she explain here in public what happened to her. The journalist some explained here now.I would like to hear more about the woman who was stripped off.
Waffle, waffle answer the question, not your life story. Original documents are required full stop
😅
Poland will regret this in the long term!
How? They don't give a fuck for anyone so how are you going to invade them?
😂😂😂😂 somehow I doubt it.
Pass the weed please, that ish must be strong
Imagine them doing this to USA or France! ZA had both the originals sent with advance team and the copies with each person! When Polish had questions, ZA had the advance team bring the originals. They still wouldn't let them off! It's common sense! They disrespected ZA to the max and we all know why...
Yup, because you all can't follow simple rules.
@@afroronin9398 rules were followed, you didn't even bother to listen to the reporter because you're a dimwit.
Poland is one of the most racist right wing members of the EU. Such a petty mentality, makes Russia's position on Ukraine make a lot more sense.
Because you think your special yet the opposite is true ....
If you are a guest respect the rules of the house
I bet they were crying out... racists racists racists...
OF COURSE!
@@merle-wq9ir owwww lawwwd have murcy
The EU is a good place to find them.
@@seanmckearney3241 even when you live with it becomes annoying in time, infantile.
@@laohu5511 Japan as well, They also dont like blacks
Yes, I do understand the position of Poland but why were the journalists also detained on the plane for 24 hours? They could have been allowed into the country without their belongings and confined to an airport hotel. The treatment was cruel and uncivilized as this was not the only option available to Poland.
Maybe they also didn't have proper clearance to go to a country at active war.
As far as I know, they could have left the plane, apparently they wanted to exert pressure. Or it's just a provocation for Russian money.
They could be spy... You brought weapons and we Dont know you.
Everyone is involved in that region lives on high alert 24/7. Poland were within there right to be carefully. Do not forget Russia started this 'bloody' war. If Ukraine were to fall, Poland is right next door. Good on you Poland for being professional.
Papers, mingle with dirt, you are treated like dirt
How many journalists and security personnel were there?
The fact that it wasn't done before does it mean that it can't be done?
When President Obama visited South Africa, how many personnel did he bring including the ones that came before him?
I think the Guptas landing at Waterkloof Airforce Base for a wedding should answer your questions.
Do they do the same with the USA secret service go there
The difference is the US security guys know what they’re doing.
And our guys don't?
@@user-ys2lz8np4n nope
@user-ys2lz8np4n nope because USA is not supporting Putin.
@@bobdreams772 Even a bank will not accept duplicate copies.
I always question the integrity of a critiquing ex. He is criticing but i doubt he has full details of what transpired and why.
I think you should watch this video again and listen more carefully. He kept saying that he doesn't have the facts because he was not there. He kept saying here is how it worked when he was protecting the president of the time.
Do you have more information than the man being interviewed?
Read with understanding
Let me get this right. This oke does not know anything. If he knows something, he is not saying anything. So why on God's green planet is he on your show?
I think SA authorities screwed up, having listened to this interview. Nonetheless, the Polish authorities went too far. It was inhumane to leave the people on the plane for almost 24-hours, very cruel.
Completely disagree with the latter part of your statement, im afraid. It is not the Poles fault that we are incompetent. And incompetence does not mean that you get to bend the rules for you, much less cry racism when the rules are enforced.
Why were media people detained I get the securiy personal and weapons
Why were media people detained I get the securiy personal and weapons
@@modisemakokwe4256 perhaps, maybe they could have allowed the media people to get off, since apparently their paperwork was in order.
ANC couldnt run a Bath
Polish protocol is rubbish they wanted to disrespect Africa and dat rubbish must stop
How much did they pay you?
@tomaszwisniewski8414 your used to being paid so you think dat it applies to everyone
Mxm fokof
I think the amount of security staff was the most normal during such a visit. The more so that Ukraine is a wild country in a state of conflict and you have to be crazy to trust local protection. The members of the Ukrainian government themselves are protected by a few hundred hired mercenaries because the local authorities do not trust their own people. As for the number of personnel protecting President Ramaphosa, there is the issue of securing any location where President Cyril Ramaphosa may potentially appear, after all, his security will not follow him in a car at the last minute. The area must be checked and placed in advance. The task of protection is to secure each of the places that can potentially be visited and the access roads to them. If at least 20 people are sent to each of these locations, and there are several places, plus access roads, plus security constantly present with the president, plus additionally duplicate personal security personnel just in case. In these situations, it is the most normal and absolutely not exaggerated amount. In conclusion, I would like to add that as a Pole, I am ashamed of the scandalous behavior of this polish puppet government. When the US president comes to Poland, he is protected not by 150 people, but by half a thousand and is no any war in poland, and somehow no one sees this as a problem. But when President Cyril Ramaphosa arrives to conduct peace talks, normal and standard security procedures become crimes against humanity. What a nato hypocrisy.
Stupid Question If it was USA you would have let then in because with their 200 securities