Fanatec CSL DD: Worth the Upgrade?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2024
- Are you looking to make a jump to the CSL DD or DD PRO? Have a look at this video to avoid wasting your money.
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Went from Thrustmaster TX -> Fanatec Clubsport 2.5 -> CSL DD 8nm. Every upgrade has been worth it.
Hi I'm new to sim racing and I have my first wheel right now which is a Logitech G29. Can you tell me the major differences between the thrustmaster TX and the CSL DD? And are either discontinued in the current day? Thanks!
@@AdrenaLukeYT The TX is belt drive and the DD is direct drive which is better in every way but most people wont know the difference. you should also note that the DD supports xbox while the DD pro supports play station. the TX supports xbox while the t300 supports PlayStation. The tx and the t300 are basically the same but support different platforms and are both belt drive.
@@AdrenaLukeYTyeah with the fanatec you have a better driving experience and it makes mor fun it‘s also more realistic than logitech and other cheap brands
Im some way off getting a DD wheel in terms of budget, but i am upgrading from a HORI to a T300 very soon! Never had nor felt a force feedback wheel so im really looking forward to it
Nice
You will love the t300, its great
I had the t80 then upgraded to the t150, it was amazing! After around 6k hours and 3 and a half years of use I upgraded to the t300rs gt with a new shifter
@@CL4SSiCS I actually have a T80 and I can't wait to be able to replace it
It will be very nice, bought t300rs gt a month ago. Really good stuff. And really recommend ffb clip app and csp if you're playing AC. Happy for you though, enjoy)
I ve also upgrade from G29 to CSL DD 8Nm with a Formula v2.5x
From my experience, it is absolutely worth. I was not confident in attacking kerbs when using G29, but after moving to CSL DD, I found it is much easier controlling the car especially exiting corner faster than before. Of course, CSL DD with a formula wheel is way expensive than G29, but this worth it. I would say CSL DD is a true entry level Direct Drive, while G29 is the best "toy" wheel, you cant compare a toy to a serious sim racing.
Just want I need fro hear
RIP Will Marsh, respect for using his video
I went from a g29, to a trustmaster t300, and now the CSL DD. It’s my favorite so far!
I went from a g29 setup, Then got the clubsport pedals and shifter, then later got the 8nm DD and a 330mm round wheel.
Ultimately it was worth it, but honestly, the pedals were the biggest single improvement.
hey man what wheel did you buy and where did you buy it from?
@@ricardofrancisco7684 the "ClubSport Steering Wheel R330 V2" from fanatec's website. took a looonnnng time to ship.
@@that44rdv4rk Thank you! Not planning to order something yet as I'm still on my T150. But I'm starting to weigh my options a bit as I'm thinking of an upgrade in the next 2 years maybe.
I did the same, but for me the wheel was the biggest upgrade. I did the wheel first and used my logitech pedals with it for a while, then got V3's later. But I mostly do a lot of drifting, so a wheel with decent power behind it was essential for me
Yes worth it I did it 2 months ago and impressed 😍
The only part of the g920 i hate is if you leave it plugged into the Xbox it will randomly turn on and start spinning itself, I've woken up out of deep sleep like more than 10 times now thinking someone was breaking in 🤣
A very nice video. Keep it up!
been using the G920 for years what an incredible wheel it was. last night pulled the trigger on the DD pro bundle and picked up an R330 V2 rim. been wanting to take the jump to direct drive for awhile now.
Did you end up loving it? Because the deal now for $399 made up my mind to do it. After researching more I've heard a lot of horror stories... how long did it take to get to you? I have no tracking but website said completely shipped
@@gavinc.9785 not too long. Best wheel I've ever used. The 2500° of wheel rotation is game changer for games like beamng where the car auto chooses the actual cars wheel rotation or ATS where the trucks use 1800° of rotation. Also feel extremely smooth being direct drive.
I'm curious to what you're upgrade advice would be if the G29 had the Ricmotech load cell brake mod installed?
Year ago I swapped my old G29 (7 years total) for T300GT with T-LCM and I can tell it was good move. After 4 years from purchase G29 got its main wear feature - famous rattling that can make your neighbours and housemates mad. Imo T300's ffb is better, for example in ACC finally was able to feel more about the grip, pedals are astonishingly precise.
However G29 "leather" wheel was more nice to hold and grippy in comparision with plastic T300.
For the last 4 or 5 years I've been playing on a PlayStation with a big TV and g29, eventually this year I've switched to pc with a triple screen setup. My biggest surprise was how well my g29 works on pc compared to playstation, ACC was pretty much unplayable on ps4. I ordered a DD GT with the 8nm booster in December and looking forward to it coming next month but not sure it'll make the big difference I thought it would before I ordered it.
When did you order? I placed my order 5th of December when DD had an availability date of January but now in the order details on my profile I can see July :|
@@cypis4340 Any luck? Ordered mine in Feb. coming Monday!! Hope yours came!!
@@iamzuesthisisthetruth8864 Did you order version with the booster kit. It's still 10 days waiting for pedals for me. We will see
Afaik the G27 also has helical gears. (Says so on my box)
Upgrading from the G27 to CSL DD (Boost pack) was *absolutely* worth it! As someone who mostly drifts, the DD wheel is soooo much of an improvement, it's unreal.
correct g27 has helical gears ,, the g25 had straight gears twin motors it was quite loud but I did grow quite attached to it, and it was the first affordable sim wheel that actually felt good for the money
I just started drifting on GTS and got a G29. it feels like the response and feedback is lacking and seems inconsistent feedback. did you have similar experiences?
Coming from a gamepad to CSL DD for imersion and that crazy GT wheel!
Hi would like peoples thoughts on the following i currently use a Thrustmaster TGT 1 with there load cell pedals a sparco R33 rally wheel and sparco handbrake im very happy with my choice and wouldnt really want to lay out more money to replace my thrustmaster set up as i have several thrustmaster wheels so i think im going to hold out for thrustmaster to launch Their own Direct Drive wheel ? now when i use my wheel i have the force feedback very low and light especially for rally games taking this into account i wouldnt see the point of spending more money on a different eco system i.e. the fanatec 8nM power pack as i like i say im only using a small amount of force feedback as in strength wise !! So would you agree its best to hold out for a thrustmaster Direct Drive wheel and just stick to my tgt for now ?? thanks for any advice on this !!
I had to leave my CSL DD in the corner until I buy a rig. I tried attaching it to my desk with the desk clamp, and it's just awful. Playseat challenge w/ some lowdown shifter mods is on the way
Thanks.. good video. Currently using a RS-300 and Fanatec CSL pedals with a new Sparco wheel so I believe my best upgrade would be to go with the T-GT II and stay in the Thrustmaster eco system.
Wait for the thrustmaster DD wheel, it's out in a few months
@@danihurta1316 Thanks! I'm in no hurry.
Simagic alpha mini with ebay steering and ebay quickrelease hub...
And button box to replace missing button from using ebay steering
Way cheaper and better dd wheel than sticking with thrustmaster wheel... (Not a must.. but just throwing out budget option since u already have good pedal set)
I love all the nice bling gear but tbh kinda brings a smile to my face knowing I’ve pulled up a chair put the wheel on sitting next to a rich rig on the grid and I’m all over his gearbox , pressure is pressure no matter what you drive 👍
I had the weirdest issue with my brand new CSL DD 5nm, basically I picked it up from ups and took it home, set it up which is basically plug and play, used it quick for 10 mins then turned it off until I had more time the next day... The next day I turned it back on and the wheel rotation input wasn't working or the wheel would feel notchy or get locked and it was unable to turn. I tried every driver under the sun and spent a good 9 hours trying to fix whatever the issue was... my computer hadn't updated and no settings had been changed so I decided to take the whole unit apart which is easy enough, no damage to the motherboard, the only issue I could see was the power cable/s had been crimped slightly during manufacture so I took the motherboard off but in my frustration I disconnected it when it was still connected to power and all 3 motor power terminals sparked and I thought well that's probably killed it for good, so I turned it back on in hopes it would still work and it calibrated correctly and started working perfectly again, So no idea what was originally wrong with it or if it had been magnetically locked somehow and the shorting the motor freed it up but its been working fine since yesterday. Very strange issue but its still a massive upgrade from my TX 150.... driving in a MX-5 yesterday on Assetto and even with 5nm it felt like it was going to yank my arms off when the wheel spun which is a shock when you're so used to very low torque belt and gear stuff.
Just got mine a couple of days ago. Sadly, it hasn't magically turned me into an awesome driver :( On the plus side it adds hugely to immersion in the game. The only fly in the ointment so far is an oscillation that occurs when the wheel is centred (e.g. while driving on straights). I'm getting my head around the various tuning options but I haven't worked out how to make this go away yet. Any suggestions? I'm playing Assetto Corsa on a PC.
Add a bit of natural dampener
i am also concerned with the arm moment i've been new DD il wait a few years to see how the bearing face holds up i have a video explaining this as the unit i tested was nothing less than floppy which is why the overly clamped spacer lol ,,,,, arm moment,,,,,, Way to much distance between the bearing face and steering wheel face we will see over time if im right. but 8years at MIT was not wasted as well as working on some of our most advanced aircraft i can assure you i know what and why about loading a system in an uneven fashion, i stick with my CSL and DD1 until the new "cheaper" DD proves itself
you mention pedal upgrade for owners of G923, which pedals would be compatible?
Console compatibility can play a huge role in the purchase decision. The DD Pro will work on PS 5 and PC and with purchase of Xbox rim like the official WRC rim will also work on Xbox series X. This is a big deal for those of us who play on all platforms. I have the Simagic M10 and have to jump through hoops to get it working on the consoles and in some cases it's not perfect. I lose the "vibration" feature in WRC 9/10 on Xbox for example. I still have FFB though. On GT Sport I have a strange pulsing left and right on long straights, haven't figured out how to cure that yet. If I was buying new right now no doubt I would get the DD Pro, with WRC rim.
How do u use Simagic M10 with Xbox? Thanks
@@ninhtran6803 I use a Gimx cable with a Drivehub to accomplish this.
@@elbowsout6301 i already have drivehub. Can u give me link to buy gimx please. Thank a miliion 😁
I’m still using my tx and I’m trying to decide on the 8 or the 12 or 15 dd
how would you compare the tourque of the 5nm dd to the t300?
The cal dd feels great but I’m having a weird problem with mine at the minute. Every time you turn the steering wheel it’s registering on the brakes slightly. I have the wheelbase and pedals connected separately but even if I disconnect the csl dd from the pc it still has the same effect on the brakes. Anybody have any ideas what this could be?
God i hate being poor, using your phone as a steering wheel gets old quick when you see all these cool wheels
You win lol
what about g29 -> ts-xw (or pc) or even t300 rs gt?
Im almost certain ill buy one (upgrade from G29), but ive heard some complaints about issues with specific units which im a little concerned about.
also im currently using a playseat challenge, ive seen people mount the csl to it, but my guess is that is only a intermediate solution at best...do you have recommendations on wheel stands or other mounting options?
For a wheel stand you should check GT-Omega Apex. Its really rigid, stable and sufficiently adjustable. Also you could upgrade it with some extra frame to attach a real seat. I got mine recently second hand and I'm fully satisfied.
@@MrNice-zm9qk that looks great. do you have a seat? or do you have a chair that you fix somehow?
@@ruijikisu Unfortunately I doesn't have the space for a permanent rig. So I have to fold away my gear every time I don't use it. To me thick cable ties work like a charm to "mount" my chair to the stand. I just put two straps per side together to have two small loose loops where I hook in two of my chairs wheels. So I can easily attach or unmount everything.
Custom Aluminium profile rig is the way to go.. cheaper for DIY people.. and drawings readily available online to suits most sim builder/driver
Surprises me you omitted to mention the difference in smoothness between the old fashioned belt driven wheels and the DD......that and the increased response times of a non belt drive wheel make the DD worth upgrading over ALL of those examples you showed ???
I'd add the caveat that if you don't have a rig yet, buy that first because it will give you the biggest instant lap time gain of anything you have. Having a dd wheel clamped to your desk makes no sense at all and may actually worsen your times. Pretty sure you have advised that before but any video that begins with should I upgrade my wheel needs that disclaimer in my opinion.
Seeing the used Fanatec CSL DD prices in France RN, it's cheaper to buy it on sale on their website, 399 for the racing bundle (2 pedals, wheel, base, desk mount) then I'll probably make a DIY PSU to get it to 8Nm and not buy the overpriced 180 euros one, out of question xD
And probably a logitech racing adapter to use the shifter and pedals, while i save a bit of money for a pedal addon. My G29 is just horrible, the feeling of it is so different than real life..
My Fanatec won't be here until the 14th of March sadly. Have to play GT7 with a controller for the first week.
Yeah, in my case it gave me the opportunity to make 6 yt videos about different types of fixes for the CSL DD, so yeah lol thx Fanatec
😅
In terms of feedback, there is just nothing like a DD wheel. I got a CSL-DD last year and have never looked back, coming from G25 - T300 RS and a CSL (belt). T300 RS was as good as the CSL but there is in my mind no comparison to the CSL-DD. I've tested the Podium at my friends house, I don't see a beg difference in performance. However if money is no object I'd definately get one, since it just provides a teeny tiny bit more fine feedback making me a little more consistant hence a bit faster. (BTW, best upgrade ever,: get a high end set of pedals! )
I'm going to exchange my Thrustmaster T500rs for the CSL DD Pro and I hope I don't regret it.
got mine coming on 23/2/2022.... just 2 more days!
I went from the g29 to fanatec club sport v2.5
I have a question for you. Does the clubsport wheels work with the csl dd?
All wheels on the Fanatec roster work with the csl dd
@@randomcallsign oh man that’s perfect thank you man
Yes
Any chance you'll review any Cammus sim racing gear?
Yes
I've been sitting on the SIM racing fence for a long time. I was going to buy a g923 but they're all out of stock but I the CSL DD really interests me. Would you recommend it for a new SIM racer? I like to buy things once and Fanatec seems to have a great Eco system. My budget has moved from 400 to around 700 😂
The logitech wheels are decent wheels but a 8Nm CSL DD a whole different beast dude.
So what to buy when You do not have any, and you are new to sim, but You do not want to start with a piece of garbage?
g923, TX, TS XW or CSL DD?
Actually all of them are good, so buy whatever you want to spend
My g29 ffb grinds and squeaks
Its worth upgrading to any wheel worth more than a Logitech. Its not even a question.
I like for the cat
i have the G25 and isn't compatable with the PS4 or 5. I need one that is PC/PS4/5. The problem is availability. Like the Fanatec DD (the good price has a hefty shipping/duty cost with it for Canada). I want a CSL Elite for PS4/PC if anyone has it. Or the Thrustmaster TGTII
t300 is widely available in places like amazon for a good price, plus that’ll be a big upgrade from a g25
@@toroseye Appreciate that and know about it but I feel like the TGt II is newer tech. We'll see. Thx again
this is what im asking for?
Meanwhile I run a hodgepodge of driving force gt, t3pa and Logitech shifter.
Whatever works!
Absolutely it's worth it.
I’ve only had experience with a t248. It only worked for 4 months. Now I’m back where i started, only out $300 since it’s impossible to get in touch with thrustmaster support.
G29 200,- fanatec with loadcel 1000,- offcourse its a upgrade but the cost for the fun factor is shit every wheel is an upgrade from a keybord. Etc etc
Is this a serious question? Even upgrading to a T300 especially with the rs gt pedal set is an improvement.
Edit:
It's rather the question if one will be able to make his wife tolerate to spend 500€ to 1000€ for your hobby ^^
If u work hard for your money u should be allowed to spend it the way u like it…no matter who likes it or not…and the the right partner supports u in any case…just my 2 cents
Should have included tracks in the description 😕
Just wanted to mention that the potentiometers on the G25 are way better than the garbage they put now in the G29,
The new ones are made of plastic, the shaft is prone to break, and they start to stutter early and too often,
The old ones are made of metal and the resistive track is of better quality and they last for many years.
I'll second that! Still using my G25 at least till my GT DD Pro gets here.
Without a doubt. Upgrade from G29 to CSL Elite is worth it.
I would say going from a T-GT II to a CSL DD is a BIG upgrade, nm aside the DD is direct drive. No belt-driven wheelbase stand a chance against a direct drive.
I have the ts xw and I’m not happy with the “notchiness”. I’m within the Amazon return period and I’m considering sending it back and getting the Fanatec 8nm DD.
G920>TX>MOZA R9 my wheel upgrades
Gods video. Upgrading from CSL ELITE PS version. To CSL DD with Booster!( The only Booster this guy is getting)! Glad to hear what I was hoping and Improvement!! Wanted a DD wheel for Years but not paying 1/-1700 for just a base or an over priced Wheel in the Podium PS! Keep up the good work and Stay Safe!!!
I dont see a difference between t 300 and Fanatec ,have both .I like t 300 better.
You prefer a belt drive, you dont even own any 😆😆
I wanted a dd but im not waiting 5 months
I ordered a csl dd complete package with manual shifter last month 1/19 and will be delivered 2/23 instead of 2/28. Wooohoo!
I currently use a DD1 podium. After using a CSL DD for a few months on my son's rig i would say it's a definite upgrade from a Logitech and a marginal upgrade to any belt drive, so marginal that I wouldn't recommend the CSL DD to anyone who currently uses a belt drive, you would be much better if waiting and saving for a higher end DD
I disagree. The responsiveness improvement in FFB is worth it alone.
Does ur son have 5nm or 8?
@@zin9121 8
*Are you portuguese??*
Logitec g29 is like a damn toy lol
CSL ELITE IS 7Nm not 5
It's 6
@@randomcallsign looking at the included information from Fanatec it is 7Nm it's OK to have an opinion but this is from their own paperwork I also own four of these units if you bother to look at my other videos you'll see that I know what I'm talking about I have 15 g in sim gear im not a casual racer
It's 5 with boost it's 8
@@chrisg.2962 we are talking about the CSL Elite at 7Nm Also it is very simple to do a test with your wheel using a torque wrench if you have one that's digital and it will show you exactly what your wheel is producing. Also the CSL torque is adjusted internally by using the wheel buttons so you can go as low as 1Nm and as high as 7Nm using the internal controls,,,,,,, i have a few vids on the new DD at my gamersgettingplayed at youtube my main concern is the arm moment between the face of the bearing inside the new DD box and the face of the steering wheel the distance is too long applying too much torque to the face of the bearing I wouldn't call it sloppy but it was definitely bending when I put a slight bit of force on a DD there's almost 7 inches between the face of the bearing in the front of the wheel the bearing face is actually an inch deeper than the face of the DD box the front plate comes off and you can see the bearing in the back I'm gonna wait a year or so to see how this works out they tried to save money and they made a cheaper unit for successful at that but I would buy an original DD one if I was going to go with a direct drive unit from a logitec or thrustmaster which is now actually Gillimount thrustmaster sold out almost 3 years ago.
@@chrisg.2962 Yeah the 5 to 8 is dependent on the power supply with the new DD the original elite came with the big power supply
The G29 is basically a toy. Anything is better than it. The CSL DD is a massive upgrade, but honestly, if you can still find any of the lower end fanatec gear, its just fine too.
Trying to do some good out there, DO NOT BUY THRUSTMASTER I HAD T300 AND IT NEVER WORK CORRECTLY, PLS DO NOT BUY IT ITS A SHITTY COMPANY ALSO !!
Feel wise - probably an upgrade
Reliability wise - downgrade
Had mine since the csl dd since it came out I haven't had a problem it's just a vocal minority
not the wheel, the pedals need upgrade. g29 has enough torque. more torque in DD to set it later at 30% to not break the hand is the extra money your are paying for. it's a scam.
Break the Hand? If youre properly holding onto the handels there is nearly no way to break your wrist. Even with the boost kit 8nm are managable.
Dangerous territory ist with Like a dd1 with 15nm with this you need to be a bit more muscular to handle.
I dont know If you ever tried a higher tourque wheel but I can tell you the upstep was worth it and I enjoyed it.
@@sternfaust you didn't mention a single advantage of a DD over G29 in the video.
@@sternfaust I think it's a bit "ironic".
"Stronger feedback" ,but they set the ffb low and mostly endup with half or max 2/3 of the rated torque.
An exemple ,people who use a g29 at 50% ffb they absolute don't need a stronger one it's money wasted.
In other hand,it's worth the move for better reactivity.
@@dederen1492 In the end it truly comes down to personal preference but BSM Racing calling it a scam is a bit to harsh dont you think?
Haven't watched the video, the answer is NO.