But thinking about it, the Defiant's engine room as well as the entire rear of the ship should be totally destroyed. The runabout is spatially compressed, but still has the same number of atoms, otherwise Bashir, Dax and O'Brian would have a looot of health problems. Meaning the photon micro-torpedoes would likely have the same amount of chemical energy and matter-antimatter as a normal torpedo when it explodes
Damn... I had no idea that Photon Torpedoes had similar power to a Phaser Pistol when the Runabout is MICRO. The concept of a Matter Antimatter explosion causing such a small blast is comical lol.
@@seriascannain6675 All the mechanisms would be the same and the amount of Antimatter would be reduced. But the fact that the Runabout is visible to the naked eye indicates that a Photon Torpedo has a rather small blast radius even when normal sized (Which is corroborated with on screen footage). I'd expect something other than a Phaser blast effect though lol. Like show his chest exploding out like shrapnel (Oh yeah... Age ratings lol).
seeing them small inside of a console reminds me of an episode of lost in space (the original series not the netflix one) where they have to go inside the robot to fix him
If there is clip of when Odo asks them later if they have fully returned to normal size, then Quark comments "and people say you have no sense of humour".
It would be out of Star Trek character to doubt the effectiveness of the usual palm-strike to the face, the double-fisted strike to the gut, and followed by the the head-over-shoulders body toss.
We have Sisko who is an exceptionally good fighter, Dax who has several lifetimes of combat experience to call upon, Worf who is a exceptionally skilled for a Klingon and Bashir who is a genetically uplifted human. They also tend to be the ppl who mainly engage in this type of combat.
Any show dealing with shrinking annoys me because while the basic premise is simple (reduce the empty space between/inside atoms) this does not address the mass of the object. A 10 ton runabout would still weigh 10 tons even if it went from 40 feet to 4 inches in length. Also along the same lines, a reduction in size would not result in a reduction in energy. The power fed into a phaser burst is unchanged just by reducing the apparent size of the emitter. A torpedo is more questionable since a change of relative size in the atoms of an explosive device would probably reduce the explosive force. BUT, the released energy would not be changed, so if the torpedo is a heat weapon rather than a concussive weapon, it wouldn't change either (which is likely the case.) Ergo, firing a phaser at a person would punch a hole through 3 bulkheads, and firing a torpedo inside Engineering like that would almost certainly turn the entire compartment into rubble.
@@michaelc9838 Neither of you are right, though I would say you misunderstand the situation while he just doesn't accept any possibility except the ones he wishes to. Saying there's actual shrinkage of the atoms doesn't mean anything...do you mean the sub-atomic particles that make up the atom are somehow reduced in mass? The most obvious way of shrinking the atoms would be to reduce the space between those particles, which wouldn't change the mass. In that situation, their hemoglobin also wouldn't accept normal oxygen. The real problem is he makes an automatic assumption that its what the compression anomaly actually does. The entire mechanics behind the compression isn't explained, but within the episode there are some clues. Nog comments that "even" the space between their subatomic particles is decreasing, implying that is not the sum total of the effect. They also mention spatial distortions, implying a localised breakdown of the laws of physics. Likely something else is happening to their subatomic particles, which also affects their energy. This is of course, not necessarily the case either. The convenience of unexplained fictional physics. But I just came up with a simple and frankly much more plausible reasoning for how its fine. I don't understand why there is such a frequent desire to apply rigid thinking to unexplained phenomena. Maybe it ruffles your feathers sure, but how about taking some time to think about why that is? You're getting hung up on a fictional element in a setting with plenty of other unexplained fictional sciences and technologies. It's a drama, not a documentary. Even as a non-documentary, it's sufficiently covered its ass.....except unless viewers are uselessly pedantic and creatively bankrupt. And that's just on how you respond to fiction. I could go on and say, that's also the type of response one would have used when people would have been told that tiny microscopic creatures cause disease just 200 years ago. Even the modern model of atomic structure is younger, and has changed a few times in the last few decades. Absolutely rigid thinking. Especially when you consider I just have to pick apart just ONE tiny detail in your argument....that inter/intra-atomic distances being compressed isn't the only thing going on....and it collapses entirely.
Oh shut and enjoy the show. Relax and smile. Not everything has to be precise and perfect. If they make Taylor Swift 20m tall, don't ask how, just go with the flow. Be one with .... the flow. Just be careful where she walks keep out of her way.
Based on the convo about their primary mission being the Fed Dilitium mines, it may be just chance, and the Defiant just became a target of opportunity.
Tiny torpedoes really mess up Jem'hadar soldiers. lol
Probably have the same destructive power as normal bullets, if not more because of the antimatter present
But thinking about it, the Defiant's engine room as well as the entire rear of the ship should be totally destroyed.
The runabout is spatially compressed, but still has the same number of atoms, otherwise Bashir, Dax and O'Brian would have a looot of health problems.
Meaning the photon micro-torpedoes would likely have the same amount of chemical energy and matter-antimatter as a normal torpedo when it explodes
@@crisunjackalD Which means that it should have blown up the entire ship from the inside, lol. How about we just all agree that "a wizard did it."
Warf: "This is the story of a little ship, that took a little trip."
And a crazy fun adventure that trip was. 😉
2:20 Sisko should've said, "How can we betray you when we've never pledged loyalty to you?"
5:05 Reassuring to know that even big, bad jem'hadar soldiers freak out at buzzing flies suddenly being in their faces. :D
" Honey, I shrunk the Runabout"
All that weapons fire in engineering :(.
They are crazy, could make an instant containment breach
5:27 Amazing that Worf could do that to jem'hadar, and not just Weyoun!!!
One of the best episodes of DS9
Classic and Iconic!
24th century take on 'would you still love me if I was a worm.'
Now Mr. Worf's small object is satisfactory for Dax.
Damn... I had no idea that Photon Torpedoes had similar power to a Phaser Pistol when the Runabout is MICRO. The concept of a Matter Antimatter explosion causing such a small blast is comical lol.
It is unclear how those torpedos would be affected by such a reduction in mass!
@@seriascannain6675 All the mechanisms would be the same and the amount of Antimatter would be reduced. But the fact that the Runabout is visible to the naked eye indicates that a Photon Torpedo has a rather small blast radius even when normal sized (Which is corroborated with on screen footage). I'd expect something other than a Phaser blast effect though lol. Like show his chest exploding out like shrapnel (Oh yeah... Age ratings lol).
seeing them small inside of a console reminds me of an episode of lost in space (the original series not the netflix one) where they have to go inside the robot to fix him
If there is clip of when Odo asks them later if they have fully returned to normal size, then Quark comments "and people say you have no sense of humour".
It always amazes me how Starfleet bridge officers are more skilled in hand to hand combat than Jem'Hadar that are bred for combat.
as capt picard said you may test that assumption at your lesure.
It would be out of Star Trek character to doubt the effectiveness of the usual palm-strike to the face, the double-fisted strike to the gut, and followed by the the head-over-shoulders body toss.
@@rkmugen Lol I actually know what you mean by that. They do that a lot back then.
We have Sisko who is an exceptionally good fighter, Dax who has several lifetimes of combat experience to call upon, Worf who is a exceptionally skilled for a Klingon and Bashir who is a genetically uplifted human. They also tend to be the ppl who mainly engage in this type of combat.
Did you see how quickly Worf broke that jem hadar soldiers neck?
I wonder how the Vorta will take this news...
Love it , a small runabout
Starfleet really needs an entire fleet of cloaked tiny runabouts on every ship.
Worf looking at tiny Dax like "I need to hit that shit asap."
Ahhhhh..... imagine they got on the com....... "Honey, drop the pants, I want be VERY Impressed"
Worf's Microscopic member is finally to Dax's liking.
4:45 Beep boop!
im disapointed all that weapons fire and not one time did they set off any explodium in the consols.
Of course O'Brien had to be shrunk. Next time they'll test time travel, send him back to the black plague era.
I'm amazed they didn't hit the warp core and end it all real fast.
Any show dealing with shrinking annoys me because while the basic premise is simple (reduce the empty space between/inside atoms) this does not address the mass of the object. A 10 ton runabout would still weigh 10 tons even if it went from 40 feet to 4 inches in length. Also along the same lines, a reduction in size would not result in a reduction in energy. The power fed into a phaser burst is unchanged just by reducing the apparent size of the emitter. A torpedo is more questionable since a change of relative size in the atoms of an explosive device would probably reduce the explosive force. BUT, the released energy would not be changed, so if the torpedo is a heat weapon rather than a concussive weapon, it wouldn't change either (which is likely the case.) Ergo, firing a phaser at a person would punch a hole through 3 bulkheads, and firing a torpedo inside Engineering like that would almost certainly turn the entire compartment into rubble.
The shrinking in this episode was actual shrinkage of the atoms, though. It's why their hemoglobin wouldn't accept normal sized oxygen?
@@michaelc9838 Neither of you are right, though I would say you misunderstand the situation while he just doesn't accept any possibility except the ones he wishes to. Saying there's actual shrinkage of the atoms doesn't mean anything...do you mean the sub-atomic particles that make up the atom are somehow reduced in mass? The most obvious way of shrinking the atoms would be to reduce the space between those particles, which wouldn't change the mass. In that situation, their hemoglobin also wouldn't accept normal oxygen.
The real problem is he makes an automatic assumption that its what the compression anomaly actually does. The entire mechanics behind the compression isn't explained, but within the episode there are some clues. Nog comments that "even" the space between their subatomic particles is decreasing, implying that is not the sum total of the effect. They also mention spatial distortions, implying a localised breakdown of the laws of physics. Likely something else is happening to their subatomic particles, which also affects their energy.
This is of course, not necessarily the case either. The convenience of unexplained fictional physics. But I just came up with a simple and frankly much more plausible reasoning for how its fine. I don't understand why there is such a frequent desire to apply rigid thinking to unexplained phenomena. Maybe it ruffles your feathers sure, but how about taking some time to think about why that is? You're getting hung up on a fictional element in a setting with plenty of other unexplained fictional sciences and technologies. It's a drama, not a documentary. Even as a non-documentary, it's sufficiently covered its ass.....except unless viewers are uselessly pedantic and creatively bankrupt.
And that's just on how you respond to fiction. I could go on and say, that's also the type of response one would have used when people would have been told that tiny microscopic creatures cause disease just 200 years ago. Even the modern model of atomic structure is younger, and has changed a few times in the last few decades. Absolutely rigid thinking. Especially when you consider I just have to pick apart just ONE tiny detail in your argument....that inter/intra-atomic distances being compressed isn't the only thing going on....and it collapses entirely.
@@NACLGames ok
Oh shut and enjoy the show. Relax and smile. Not everything has to be precise and perfect. If they make Taylor Swift 20m tall, don't ask how, just go with the flow. Be one with .... the flow. Just be careful where she walks keep out of her way.
A single Photon Torpedo would vaporize the entire vessel if detonated within. Especially right next to a Warp Core.
How did they know the Defiant was there? Seems like a major opsec failure.
Based on the convo about their primary mission being the Fed Dilitium mines, it may be just chance, and the Defiant just became a target of opportunity.
Good things come in small packages.
So silly
Lol, at 2:26 the ship says U.S.S. ANT
Can u feel toddler town coming to life? 🌈🌈🌈🏃🏽♀️🏃🏻🏃🏿♂️🦄🛸🥋👩🏿✈️⚛️🇪🇺
3:21 always wondered why engineering didn’t depressurize
Wait, anyone in the engine room is allowed to just flood the entire rest of the ship with poison gas?
Have you ever joined nano technology in time? ⏰
Noice