Are Expensive Studios Still Necessary?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- In this episode the audionerds debate whether large expensive studios are still necessary to get a high quality sound. If your cutting vocals do you need the expensive studio? Are bands more inclined to use the larger spaces. Lets find out.
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Do you need a treated room if you process the vocals with clarity vx pro?
Y’all gotta start adding studio one into the mix 😂 mannn the whole episode had me rolling as a nerd I’ve been looking for this
yall sleeping on LMMS no cap
Agreed..S1 still kinda slept on..
Studio One is NEXT level for post production no 🧢
Yo I got y’all cause y’all go the hardest in the comments lmao
S1 gang 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Studio one the best daw all do everything in it from recording my vocals mixing mastering and even for live shows going to start making beats in it as well it’s fast never crashed once drag and drop its on top as a rapper who is getting into mixing and mastering I love it and I used fl and pro tools I make music way faster in studio one
You’ve never heard of Reaper?
@@dougroyce5784 why use Reaper over Studio One? I used reaper once about 10 years ago but wasn’t liking the interface and then I found S1 and it’s been the most seamless all around music creating process I’ve ever had
Reaper imo is much more customizable. Reaper 10 years ago is not what it is today. It’s $60. It’s a small file size so you can carry the whole DAW around with you on a thumb drive. I can’t say anything bad about studio one. It’s nice. But I personally like Reason. It fits my needs. @@Echo-nn8dt
@@dougroyce5784 I use both studio one and reaper because studio one is not the best for film sound. In fact it don't have surround so I need reaper. But for music, I use only Studio One.
When people say “Never crashed” I always just 🤨
this is always the best part of my day ...KEEP GOING GUYS & show STUDIO ONE some love once in a while haha
I'm saying why are we slept on like that
We appreciate u and we got some studio one love coming I promise!
I just want to be a guest and show how Studio One is killing everything!! 💯
@@lashonbrown1708 I hope it happens for you because somebody gotta handle it
I just made a studio one comment🔥🔥🔥🔥
Totally agree big studios for music and instruments but just for vocals if you have a really really good mic and a good pc its all what you need. Every day im more impresed with songs that were made in home studios, also mixed and mastered, as mine, but top of the world too
I started in ProTools because my best friend had it. Moved to Logic Pro X when I got my own studio in 2019 because of it versatility and pricing. If I had to pick another DAW I would rock with it would be Cubase by Steinberg.
CHILL!
I’m using the T8Vs for my reference monitors (started last year doing audio) I do live sound engineering for a living, and I’ve been in studios just to hang out and heard different speakers…. Adam Audio is a beast, it’s so accurate even in the lower end models (T8V)…. For me pairing thise with the T10 sub it’s amazing, I’m getting a clear representation of the audio spectrum and my mixes are clean, and the room I’m in is not acoustically treated. I’m using Logic, all plugins are stock (I’m not investing money into this side of engineering until I get better first) and I must say for someone that started last year my mixes sound good. So when people ask me how you get it to sound like that I tell them I approach it the same way I approach live sound because that’s all I know at the moment. Two completely different worlds but I’m using what I have at my disposal. 🤷🏾♂️
Yes sir! I myself am heavily in the live sound world also and a lot of these 2 worlds do collide in similarities. Gain structure, microphone placement, etc. The main difference is the space and feedback lol .
Coming from a live sound background I can totally see how mixing came very smooth for u because I’m live sound your mix is CRUCIAL
I just want to be a guest and show how Studio One is killing everything!! 💯
Super fire dialogue. I agree with ALL of the comments made 100% - especially about essential plugins to emulate studio quality
Stop sleepin' on Studio One!
Exactly, I was scrolling to find this. But honestly...until non-Studio One people actually sit down for a week or month and get great instruction learning Studio One, they won't realize how amazing it is.
Studio One is the best shit out hands down!
I think at this point studio one is the best daw out
Studio One done had melodyne integration forever
AND DOPE STOCK PLUGINS
As far big studios go, I believe that rock, jazz and other forms of live music will come out better in a major space. Especially if the band likes to record in real time with fewer overdubs.
bro. Adobe audition had the best built in DAW pitch correction ever. Even when they were Cool Edit Pro before Adobe bought them. (I'm still FL gang for life tho) 🤘
Cubase is the most underrated daws in the world to me
Just give us our flowers, we can do what every other DAW can do. Logic Gang !!
*sigh 😪 we kno ur right and we give y’all your flowers constantly lmao
@@HelpMeDevvon Lmaooo!! that's what I'm talking bout!!!
Studio one cartel
Yooooo, it's crazy how anyone can legit create or record an entire album with just a decent mic, xlr cable, decent interface and either headphones or studio monitors. Assuming you have a pretty powerful computer of course lol. But yea, big large format studios can still be in it, as you said, if you're trying to record a band or something acoustics(drums, guitars, choirs, etc).
Bro it’s wild and I think we take it for granted
The UAD C-Suite Vocal plugin is the best I've tried in room & resonance correction. Haven't tried the Clarity yet but looking forward to trying it!
C-suite is good, but clarity is better. I have both, and i gotta say clarity is kinda killing it
@@mytube.1 thanks for the input on that! I still haven’t tried it yet. Tools like that come in handy tho
Fyi Cubase was the first DAW. Steinberg also created vst plugins, everytime you use one Steinberg (Cubase) gets paid 🤷🏾♂️. Also, the first virtual sampler was Halion by Steinberg. Also the melodyne integration that he's talking about in pro tools has been available in other daws it's called ARA and has been a part of Cubase for 2 versions 🤷🏾♂️. I could go on 🤣
tell them!!!!!!!
So Cubase Mark Jackson
From fl studio,protools, studio one my akai mpc one is the daily driver for music production now no one can do it better 🔥👍🏾
Love the show. Need more Mixcraft talk y'all. Keep em comin'
Mixcraft pro studios is most slept on for recording music, but Fl top tier for beat making
why no studio one guys ??? cmon !!! guys !!! best stock !!!
They're stock vst's are unmatched
@@MrUpgradeMusic No can touch em 💯
i DiSAGREE WitH StOCK PLUGiNS… #Au…
BUt StUDiO ONE iS DEFiNitELY APARt OR tHE CONVERSAtiON… tHE PRE SONUS tUBE PRE WAS iMMACULAtE FOR ME iN 2013. BUt i ALWAYS END UP BACK ON ADOBE…
@@MrUpgradeMusic really? I'm a studio one guy and I feel like the stock vsts are dull compared to FL.
Bro the studio one hive is so strong here 😭
Bro i recorded 10000 songs without latency on ableton! (with tune comp and eq in the chain while recording) Not even one single track feels with latency in the vocals after i recorded and processed everything. And the comping in Ableton 11 is all what Live was missing ❤ Fl Studio users not being honest with their daw that was funny 😂😂😂
I definitely figured out my problem, it was something on my end in my master bus chain that was contributing to the audible latency! But for sure, our comping functionality is definitely up there, I’d say right with Logic
@@thatcourtneytaylor yasss it happened to me too sometimes and I had to go looking for the plug-in that was causing the latency, if you leave the cursor on the plug-in it shows you how many latency adds to the project, I discovered that last year!
@@thatcourtneytaylor have u ever had any issues with Ableton where you save something and when u come back lets say couple days later the arrangement or vocals in a particular track have shifted or been lost?
@@LeiB Ableton gang, always figuring out the true producer/engineer problems (which tbh when it comes to cpu usage, I feel like we got it the worst😪)
@@BadbwoyKelly and then I have to find it again, and make sure ableton can find the audio file and reconnect to it, smh 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️it has its ups and downs for sure, but I still love our DAW
Studio One, ProTools high end and just FL for beat makers. Boom done no discussion.
yo deadass…. This podcast isn’t long enough, y’all need extra content with a Patreon and we need the @‘s of the other guys because I wanna follow them tooo
Bball and Music production. My fav two topics in life.🔥
I would say it’s def a matter of your own quality standards and the target-audience you have !
Cubase had a pitch corrector stock for a decade
I knew Devvon was instantly saying compression😂 just watch his tutorials
I have used protocols cakewalk Qbase but presonus studio one is the best DAW I ever work in
great show guys. my first time listening and subbed after 5 mins. nice dialogue, and nice work!!
make a podcast about mixing on headphones vs studio monitors in home studios.
Wow that’s coming!! We got u
@@HelpMeDevvon fasho!
In Ableton you can fix the recorded latency by recording two tracks at the same time and have one tracks monitoring to off and not in or auto
I create and mix in logic. I record vocals and edit for precision in Protools.
I got CLA-10 speaks last year for mixing. It took a while for me to get use to them. I was worried I wasted money but they are my A speakers for mixing.
I just switched from FL Gang to Ableton and it just FEELS better when I record. Am I the only one? I thing FL is GREAT for beat making but it’s not there yet for recording
Definitely true! Recording in FL is awful.
Fl not that bad for recording. I’m a logic user but my friend uses fl and he’s honestly the goat on fl
You need someone to represent logic on the show, u guys are dope keep going. Love from across the pond.
Nuendo and Cubase all the way when it comes to recording, mixing and mastering. Vari audio comes standard and it's as good as melodyne if not better
The man dem are talking my language !! 🥰 I would so be in this conversation. These are the conversations I’ve been waiting for.
Here’s me putting on my logic cap 🧢: we literally have all of Tyler the creators greatest albums and later Pharrell stuff coming out of our daw. Enough said.
That has nothing to do with logic 😂 Tyler and Pharrell would be just as dope on any other daw
S1 has had Melodyne integration since S1 V4 and now were on 6! An we have ARA integration for Revoice Pro and VocAlign......catch up
Right the studio one disrespect is real we literally have a stock compressor and gate that is actually decent
@ 21:05 i love the description of this because every producer and or artist get the though that they need to be in a Real studio or get a real studio to make the sound better not knowing some known popular songs have been done without a professional studio. I feel people saying or thinking that are less bold and 2nd guess themselves on how they process their own production that truth proved otherwise.
@23:12 is true I find myself doing mono and I'm 100 percent sure your hearing things in mono that you don't in Stereo when adjusting levels and mixing with EQ'ing its effective cause you could hear from the low end to the high end sound spectrum you could hear when somethings clashing.
Yall guys or hitting Nails with the conversations the accuracy and comparison is too spot on. Keep going Yall got a thing going and yall on fire with it.
On the mono utility part. You can select left only and right only. You can split into both sides
Studio one pro is king…and by the way no daw has a better sound than the other. It’s how you use what your most familiar with and how you use your tools.
My experiences using flex pitch on vocals always added an unpleasant robotic tone to the source so I never used it
As always I’m here holdin it dine for Pro Tools Gang. Keep it 🅿️
In ableton put your audio interface on direct monitoring then make sure the auto button is checked then arm your track and you’re good to go!!! And also use a low buffer size 128 or 256. Bless
Studio One had melodyne since version 3 I think, maybe 2.
They sleeping on studio one I swear man
@@crownreeco925 It just makes me laugh, how can they not include Studio One?
Its crazy watching them get hype for features thats been on studio one for years 25:17 we beeeeen on the melodyne integration
Just worked a month at a large studio in The Bahamas and some engineers came over with 25 to 30 year experience and they only worked on the NS-10's. The high quality mains were only for client reference listening moments! It's all about the MIDS!! Low and High!! Side note all club speakers are MONO
This plus the fact that the vast majority of people don't have proper stereos these days, but rather have small Bluetooth speakers, listen on phones, or off computer speakers is why I'm of the opinion that we should all be making our mixes mono. Your intention for a sound to impart a certain amount of energy via making it wide in the stereo gets completely missed by most listeners these days due to this.
“ya cant keep taggn behrinnger bro…ya making it hot” lmaoo
That Wayne vocal in that documentary was recorded on a RODE NT2-A in an untreated hotel room.
Our time will shine, @Soundtoys homies
30:20 “Can you be quiet? Goddamn!” 🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pro Tools is Iggy. Reaper is Steph. Not the biggest or flashiest but can get the job done.
I love this,first time viewer 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
8:00 Reaper been had a native pitch correction plugin call ReaTune.
And their stock gate is excellent.
Studio one had meloydne integrated first
A long time ago im sure melodyne was intergrated since version 2 or 3
@@stayhumblemusik yup! Since version 3.
Very very true!
CAkewalk had the Melodyne integration years before Studio One. They laughed at Cakewalk but they had drag and drop way before Studio One. In terms of technological breakthroughs Cakewalk was doing it a long time ago. Shame it was laughed at.
@@shan5445 i still believe studio one had it before cakewalk
Reaper is Tim Duncan; unassuming, often overlooked but devastatingly effective under the hood.
Devvon, I think you should invite some guest on the podcast. Like the Wav Man etc. I learned a lot from you two
Ohhhhhh it’s coming!!
Courtney yo not wrong about the latency issue. It’s the same on logic as well. I record without hearing myself on every song now
The Mic Wayne used in that hotel room wasn't even a Neumann ... I think it was a Rode NT2-A
Levins, FL 21 is focusing on engineering. You will be able to gain stage your vocal clips and automatically cross fade them. Engineering wise we will be able to track half way decent with this update. Also we will finally have custom theme creation. Allegedly it should be here around 2023.
LJ man i could listen to him talk for hours
I still say mixing on protools is top G
Yo ima need some studio one respect in here
Too many people switching over, best pricing for a up to standard daw,
Had melodyne for like the best 4 versions.
And the new features in studio one 6 are crazy especially the mix channel overview and video editor
i don't know if Cubase was brought up in any episode, but god i want to hear what guys think about it
You guys were dropping jewels
Those Dangly ass Cords on Abelton is Crazy LMFAOOO !!!
Listening to these guys talk about basketball is crazy lmao
The routings in REASON is crazy! Also Logic Pro X is the greatest all over DAW I edit videos in Logic Pro X all the time
Do a tutorial on how to set up your fireface 400
reaper has over 1000 free stock plugins along with a handful of pitch correction products
IN STUDIO ONE, YOU CAN TRANSPOSE AND TUNEANY AUDIO REGION WITHOUT A PLUGIN. ALSO S1ALREADY HAD INTEGRATION WITH MELODYNE FOR YEARS. PRO TOLLS IS LATE TO THE GAME. LOGIC PRO HAS STOCK PITCH CORRECTION PLUGIN BUILT IN TO THE DAW ALSO.
Not sure if they mentioned it in the comments but it's antares auto-tune sound soap
The Clarity Box VX Has Gotten My Attention... But if You Can, How Would You Compare That With Izotope's RX 10 ADVANCE Vocal Mastering Tool ?
What about waves ns1 noise suppressor?
One of my secret weapons! Especially for dialog post-production. 🔥
I really like NS1!
Respectfully I need like 30 more mins of these episodes lol
Of course they are. For a beat maker who maybe records vocals they're not. But for bands, orchestral and also an artist who has the budget and understands the benifits of recording and mixing through the best gear, then they are definitely still relevant and always will be. Not sure how this is even a question?
You're not wrong... pro tools could be perfect. I feel like luna is the most perfect daw for me right now. Minus the fact that it doesn't have any stock plugins.
Luna is really dope you are right tho
I really wanna try Luna, but I don't feel like trying a whole new daw.
@@DS-nh4gu if what you have isn't broke dont try to fix it....I feel you tho
Oh wat wait no stock?
@@HelpMeDevvon nope that really sucks about it...plus to the average person that daw is high in price
lol this made me soooo mad 😂😂 Have yall never heard of CUBASE!!! Literally has had the best stock pitch correction for years! im heated lol
I didn't hear you guys talk about Cubase.,..
The workaround for Ableton latency is to make a dedicated monitoring track and a separate track to record arm with monitoring turned off
I will pass this message around!!
studio one shiitin on the industry
Logic X Pro Noise Gate is pretty good it was used on Montero by Lil nasx. I dont use it tho
I really hate how OVERATED pro tools is and their predatory business practices.
As a Reason user I’m not liking the brush over. It’s slept on. Also, Reaper is better than Pro tools.
A LOT of people are sleeping on REAPER!!! Come on guys....outside of built-in instruments (which Reaper lacks) - editing in REAPER is a God send! It's not the prettiest DAW (you can download skins to change that) but it is beyond powerful enough to compete with and beat many DAWS out there. Please speak on it!
Definitely going 3rd party for the pitch correction... how di man dem a diss cakewalk soh iya lol
Editing a movie in FL is crazy😂
Luna is Jordan Poole lol
Idk if this is the new update but there’s so low latency on Ableton
Pro tools getting melodyne integration. You lads should highlight studio one. We've had melodyne integration for years
Sonar had it first then Studio One. Melodyne integration has been around in those DAWs for years.
I know I’m late to this episode, but Studio One has had Melodyne integration since at least version 3. 😂
If more FL users understood how to use the routing system then we wouldn’t get clowned on so bad. What people don’t understand is how incredibly simple it is compared to other DAWs yet very few FL users get it because it’s mostly producers that aren’t worried about signal flow as long as their 808 go boom.
This is so cool
“If ProTools would just spend time on figuring out production, it would be perfect”
My guy…that’s Studio One. I’m gunna need you guys to get serious about Studio One, cause y’all missing something special
Yall gotta make these longer fr 😂
Yall need to add studio one in that mix
We working on it
FL was a gimic called fruity loops not to be takin serious. sounded weird then and sounds weird to this day. If you know you know.