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- This is Fear & Hunger theory I've been thinking about for a while now. I guess this is my first proper video. I do intend to make many more in the near future.
I've been meaning to post a longer video for a bit, i've been working on this big big project- but "longer" ended up being an euphemism. It has become WAY too long for my own good so it will take some time. I think I will upload some smaller ones in the meantime.
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Le'garde is a really interesting character to me. He has his fair share of haters due to worsening the lives of many of the characters (Like Ragnvaldr and D'arce) but he's arguably one of the characters with the most to talk about. He is also the one character with presence in both of the games, which makes him and his story stand out.
As it is with this series, there's a lot to speculate but not many answers. Things like Cahara and D'arce's fate, there's so much to talk about. I would be interested in making more videos talking about these and other topics in the future for sure. And a video discussing him in further detail beyond this theory discussion here.
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I still think Le'Garde is the unsung hero of the first games.
His involvment with everyone, even Enki had them enter the Dungeons. He set the chess board and set the pieces.
And to me, he did not do it for self-centered reasons at that but for all of humanity.
Never played Termina however.
Gyo. So edge heh
If we assume his soul is missing, we could make a parallel to the Fateless One from Kingdoms of Amalur. Unlike the rest of the souls that seem to be passed on, he could be outside the "fabric of fate", yada yada. Alternatively, considering D'arce brings him back from the dead as a form of necromancy, you could assume the ritual caused the soul to go missing, and him having no soul to harvest even if he survives the dungeon might just be an oversight, I can totally see this being the case considering people are overanalysing the game to an extent almost equal to Gaster lore in the Undertale multiverse, an extent Miro coulda possibly not have foreseen while designing the game for a freaking diploma thesis.
If souls are determined like zodiac signs, Le’Garde has no soul because he was born on leap day
My personal speculation is that I think by having essentially no soul as a person, you literally have ambitions or path to follow and achieve simply because of the emptiness and void inside of you.
The reason why Le'garde desperately seeks eternal change and existence is probably because he has nothing going for him. It's either that he's a sick artificial creation experiment of someone or his soul might've been lost/broken.
Very interesting interpretation. I can definitely see that being true.
The idea of him having nothing going for him, in a way, is present in Termina. August tells you about how he was obscured by the God of Fear & Hunger and that he roamed the lands searching a way to fulfill the purpose he sees for himself, in pursuit of his "greater good" that he didn't serve. Le'garde himself, if you use Talk on him, states the the role of Kaiser isn't what he truly wanted, that "it's not ideal" but it's the way he found to push his agenda.
Very interested in seeing what they'll do to him in the third game, since he yet lives.
what if he is the fromer husk of all mer asension
@@kavier2005 i thought the husk was in that crypt in the first game. Since supposedly the rest of him is probably the sulfur god.
@@Diana-ny4bc hmm your right but remember all mer did crave himself a clay doll to remove all of sulfer/himself and who is to say that the clay figure didn't come to life but without all mer memories but with the single driven task of reaching ascertain, it would explain why Legraud has no soul and why he so obsessed with God hood since that was all mer original plan . It would also explain why the girl is able to ascend being a part of all mer and who knows where all mer left his clay doll too maybe he left it in rhea realm where time moves differently and after waking he ended up back in the real world . There still isn't enough information on legraud background to confrim where he really from .
@@Teargelisможет он передал свою душу Нильван для рождения девочки, т.к именно она становится Богом сопоставимым по силе с древними из-за того, что её душа уникальна ( я думаю моё предположение это бред т.к я не настолько сильно разбираюсь в лоре f&h и f&h2 )
Soul types usually get enhanced once somebody ascends to New God status so Le'garde not having a soul and yet that lack of one still being "empowered" could be why he's so inexplicably unknown and unable to achieve recognition as the Kaiser.
Something you failed to mention is D'arce's S ending. She revives Le'garde and even without ascension he calls himself a god based on his experiences after his death. He views his old self as shell that held him back and he restarts his campaign as his bloodied, skinless self. This version of him is not charismatic but brutal and cruel to all that oppose him. The other new gods and Na'sharah confirm that the prophecy was bullshit and that Le'garde would realize that soon enough. In a sense, Le'garde molded himself to what humanity wanted from him rather the other way around which is a conclusion he could have reached in the S-ending and why he was so desperate to shed himself of his old identity. In Termina we see this perspective repeated by him as he views his younger self as arrogant and immature of his role in the greater scheme of things. Again, the implication seems to be that if the God of Fear and Hunger never ascended then he would have ended up the same as any old new god and repeated cycle.
So I believe that Le'garde does not have a soul simply because Miro would have been more cheeky about it if it were otherwise. However, everything I said and the fact that Nilivan conceiving a child with an Ancient One soul born from their dream-sex implies that Le'garde's existence is closer to that "purity" the Old Gods talk about, less blank and closer to a void that encompasses everything and has no form. I would even go as far to say that Le'garde is similar to All-mer: "Le'garde" ascended as a human myth of humanism and progress while Kaiser descended to become the being whose soul accepts the taint and darkness necessary for humanity to actually advance. Both existed as one being, and maybe all new gods are like this, but Le'garde was the only one as a "human" who able to truly "ascend" because their soul didn't get in the way.
I know
He does NOT survive the events of the first game.
you mean as a human? As Le'garde? Sure. His dialogue in Termina implies he left his old mortal self in the Void, the ture Ma'habre, so he's not really him anymore or alive in that sense. It's still is him though, a new form, a "greater" version of himself.
Or maybe the developer didn't want to give him any specific soul. and here you're wasting time overthinking about nothing
True!!!!! Or maybe you don't watch a theory video if you don't want to hear someone's theories, but you're here wasting your time watching and commenting on it anyways salty about nothing
My guess is that he lost his soul after/during he and Nilvan conceived the Girl. Maybe the process required a soul sacrifice since the Girl has an Ancient soul or maybe the Girl somehow got his soul. Le'Garde, knowing that his daughter will become more important than he ever will, became jealous and planned to become a new god.
I think the same, his ancient soul what allow the girl to become fear and hunger.
The idea that he passed his soul down is interesting... but he seemed to really believe his own importance. His jealousness only came much later when the God of Fear & Hunger acutally pushed for change, which was a long process.
@@Teargelis Perhaps, after doing it with Nilvan, he realized that he was tricked by her and that his soul was gone (if it's even possible to realize), so he made a plan to become a new god.
@@Teargelis yeah he was already in a bad rode but when you face as king in yellow he speak of himself as diferent entity, clearly asending mess up with him.
Maybe he gave up his soul, so when he rises to become the yellow king, HE HIMSELF becomes a god, instead of creating a copy of him that goes out there to live his ambitions for him.
One of his dialogue chocies at the end of Termina, if you question him, he says he has "Embraced chaos" and that he "abandoned [his] ego and left that miserable being endlessly wandering in the dark green", this is referring to the process of ascension, so his former self definitely left his past self behind.
He is nothing but an ascended blood golem (got revived by Darce and then went to throne), IDK why anyone dont talk about this theory. He lost his soul when he actually died long before.
@@pogomaster3111yooo comment this one,more people need to know
@@pogomaster3111 Even before that. Trying to use a Soulstone on F&H1 Legarde (either on his cell or on Mahabre after his duel with Ragnavaldr) yields nothing. The game tells you the Soulstone fails.
@@pogomaster3111probably because the theory is pretty pointless and irrelevant.
I actually am willing to believe that Le'garde is a homonculus, seeing as how fantastical funger universe is.
Yeah, really not that out there even. Nas'hrah casually created or summoned what seems to be a DEMON, and that's hardly ever addressed anyway. Homunculi are plausible
What is a homunculus?
@odin9628 an artificially created human being. One made from magic, or alchemy in the olden days.
@@TeargelisNas'hrah's lab lets you make clones for Chambara sac, so the technology is there.
Valteli's*
@@Renncia
A video on leg guards!? Of course they won't have a soul, it's an inanimate object! LOL
XD why is this so underrated
Gonna propose a new theory. What if there can only be ONE Ancient One soul and it passes from person to person through biological ascension? So when Legarde and Nilvan did their thing the soul passed down to the girl. Legarde looses the soul and the girl now has it. And I bet Nilvan knew this would happen and intentionally pulled the rug out from under Legarde's plans to become a chosen one.
I think Le'Garde doesnt have a soul is because he himself is a mortal god, not a new god but an old god, the abstract concept of humanity made manifest. It would explain why he is ignorant, as the sum of humanity is ignorant of its place in the world, but he also seeks self sacrifice for the greater good, he is cruel and cunning, and he is power hungry, all aspects of humanity. He takes up miasma as he is willing to bear the burden. He talks sense into party members when their sanity is low because that is what humans do for each other when they are struggling and care for them. He doesnt have a soul because he isnt a human, he is the physical embodiment of an abstraction of humanity. His ascension is different from everyone else as he is not a human ascending to new godhood, but a nascent old god ascending to true oldgodhood
as we know Legarth is a ginger and i think that is where his lack of soul comes from
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@@makhundred I think you forgot to switch accounts before writing this reply
Their actions are beyond our understanding. What if you are their alt replying to themselves and i am an alt of them replying?
@@BLACK80085 considering they didn't log out the first time I'd say that's unlikely. also why create use an alt to point out your own mistake?
@@RaspberryHugsI don’t know, why don’t you explain why you would?
Bringing up the fact that he may have been created similar to All-mere's other backstory does raise an interesting possibility for what his larger role may be or have been.
Consider this: (this factors into my point)
All-mere's two possible backstories could potentially be explanations for the identity of the Sulfur god and his relation to All-mere. While they might appear different and only for flavoring a backstory either account of All-mere's birth/ purpose has massive ramifications for the meaning of his story.
If All-mere was born of a virgin mother than his story is one of a "miracle child" rising to become the divine savior of humanity. In this scenario the case of Sulfur being All-mere's discarded undesireable parts makes sense as Am still would have been of human origin thus casing off his impurities to ascend to enlightenment. This makes Am's overall story one of humanity pushing itself forward to a new age of its own making.
But in scenario B the meaning is completely changed.
If Am was created by a higher power to be the pinnacle of humanity than I would argue that Sulfur was there all along and the god that we know as All-mere is just an illusion. Scanario B makes Am's story one about a divine manipulation of humanity in the fact that humanity never achieved their own savior but were instead granted one by a higher power. If Am was truly destined for greatness from the get go than all of his acomplishments and even his benevolence should be called into question because in a way he never truly did those things himself.
So in this context I'd like to posit that the theory of Le'garde not having a soul because he was created by a higher power could thematically make sense as his story is of someone who is just following the steps towards greatness, not forging his own path. I mean just look at what happened to him when he became the Yellow King, he was rejected, disgraced, and called out for the delusional fuck he is. All the while being subverted twice by beings who actually made strives towards new ways and methods. So I'd like to suggest that Le'garde may be the Fear & Hunger equivalent of The Anti-Christ or something similar.
Le'garde as a sort of Anti-Christ is actually a really intriguing way to look at it . For the power he held it all meant nothing. He never succeded in what he wanted. It's almost like he took a forbidden path and was cast away for it, much like the Anti-Christ I guess, if we run with this anology.
Interesting, maybe the sulfur god is Alll-mer soul that was cast in the sulphur depths in order to ascend, and as Legard was following in Alll-mer steps, maybe it too cast his own soul(and "abandoned his ego")
2:45 Right at that point I got a god darn ad about a phone and for a split second I thought Le'gardes soul was a google 6 pro. I truly am stupid lol
Miro confirming Le'garde's got no soul because he's an Android ⁉⁉⁉ He got a battery in there ⁉😳😳
I believe that the reason why you cannot take his soul is because of everything that happens in the lore, because, as I could read in some forums, Le Garde, on his way to acension, sought to obtain the 4 main souls, domination, torment, illumination and infinity. And he achieved it, the domination due to the constant wars and need for more power, the enlightenment provided by the "cube of the depths", the torment due to the horrible tortures he received in the dungeons and the infinity due to his insatiable desire to want more ( and also for his relationship with Nilvan). His soul is unique because of everything he subjected himself to, making the Soul stone unable to take his soul.
Let's not forget that Nas'hrah, being also a new god himself, doesn't carry the name of his soul (enlightened one), so maybe it is possible that new gods calling themselves as their soul types is not a rule but rather a tendency
Also, there is not a Heartless soul that we know of, so maybe the Heartless one's soul type is another that doesn't match her name
So, the fact that the Yellow King doesn't reference a soul type in his name maybe is not necessarily a valid argument
Thought it is pretty evident that he doesn't have a soul
Key point for me it's the miasma and the message that you can read when trying to take it, it does not say "there is nothing" but "does not react", his soul it's so strong/different (both) that can't be taken, it almost seems totally fused with his whole body so when a soul stone try to suck her, kust can't. We don't know if another way to take a soul exist but even if it does i doubt that can work, for me nothing can.
So for me he has one but can't be taken and prob it does not have neither a specific name, a unique thing, kinda like if he himself it's the embodyment of his own soul. Prob you can just call her soul of Legarde. And you pointed out some hints about this in the video
Perhaps if he really was fated to fulfill his role, he was cemented in place, and his purpose could not have been warped or misused by anyone else.
@@Teargelis yes, i think the favor of the gods it's just that, they made sure no one could use it for other means (we don't know how), so if he dies, that's it
Nilvan banged the soul out of Le’Garde.
While I don't know how or why, I do think that a lack of soul is important to Legarde's success. Consider what you said about the enlightened soul, is it that scholar's possess the soul, or is it the soul that makes the scholar? Without an anchor to define his existence Legarde could define it himself, or rather more sinisterly without the anchor the greater powers could more easily sweep him up in their current, thus setting him on the path of prophecy.
More importantly though you mention that something is different about Legarde ascended. If his soul is gone, there is more void to be filled with godliness, and whatever restrictions caused by sharing the space are absent as well.
Also, I do not remember for sure, but I do think there is lore stating that humanity did not begin with souls, and some god changed that. If so that means that Legarde lacking a soul isn't an absolute anomoly for humanity, and may shed light on just how he is the exception in his time.
What if Le'garde has something in common with Daan? Maybe he had a blank soul? Blank soul would be just an empty ball of clay that can be molded, e.g. moonscorch Daan becoming pocketcat. Maybe his blank soul became the ancient one when he laid with Nilvan and made the girl.
That's exactly what I thought
no soul? 🧐
No maiden??
I think Le Garde's motivations mirror what a robot / "Machine God's" interpretation of humanity would be. Slowly moving closer to "humans will never stop striving and dreaming simply because it's within their nature", he becomes a new God and takes to the human world to affect it directly.
This callousness he shows when talking about people and the fact that he had no memory of D'Arce whatsoever in the first game makes me feel like it's either "his emotions were sealed / taken away in the birthing of an Ancient Soul" (which would imply multiple soul types synergize to become closer to the "Old Ones" since humans can't step over that bar by themselves. It took a human with intention and purpose, and a new God who had their own agenda.)
I think his lack of Soul would be the exact same if you tried to take Nilvan's soul directly. Nilvan instead has a soul stone of another type of "Endless Soul" to fulfill the conditions of her plan to have the little girl ascend to allow humans to become more "equal" with the Old Ones. This is all speculation but she's the only one of which you can't fight in their "New God" form nor take their soul with a stone. I think that's a really key piece
he did remember D'arce ,didn't he? i thought it was just him pretending to have amnesia. He says so when you arrive at the golden throne
@@pdmisrael6149 He doesn't directly mention remembering her, but he does say he arranged everything so he should remember everything. This makes his lack of emotion in his response even weirder for sure since she was getting her head bashed in
I think Le’Garde might have originally had the Domination soul.
In F&H Termina not a single character has the domination soul, with the only known characters possessing it being from F&H 1. Probably because Le’Garde is striving for total domination, to the point you can’t even gain his soul after his death.
Or, alternatively, his soul has been broken after he has been tortured in the Dungeons for so long. Since being in the dungeons in the first place was a part of his plan, he might have expected to get rid of his soul, one thing that made him human, to ascend.
Maybe he wanted to go through the same process the girl did, go through so much inhuman torture to the point your humanity is removed
@TheWiseMysticalTree-twmt "Hmm well that didn't work, imma use some random chick's brain as the CPU for my literal godtier gaming PC in 1000 years"
rly good video, i like le’garde hes a right fascinating bastard and i was shocked when i was told he was Kaiser, although i might just be a thicko
haha nah that's understandable. pretty wild for him to show up so long after the first game, but since he's a God it makes sense
*"-You have no soul!"*
*"That is why I have no fear!"*
Age of extinction reference
But he still has some hunger
Le'gard is a ginger. Thats my theory
Whats wrong with ginger XD
@@al5vin964They have no souls. :p
I’d guess that his soul got nabbed pre-game or he “sold” it in the dungeon, possibly to the goddess he slept with.
Him not having a soul to begin with would have implications for the lore, since no human character this far lacks a soul. It’s a strange detail to leave out in the second game, where soul types are expanded on and the effects of soulless-ness could be explored (even briefly).
My guess is previously he had a dominating soul or a radiating soul, given that D’arce was his second in command and loyal to fault to him.
The moment the dev answered, that's when it's no longer a theory.
He didn't say anything important
@@xsorakazamax7522 He kind of did though. He asked what happened when you tried to take Le'Garde's soul. Nothing happened. There is nothing there. He doesn't have a soul. Everything about him screams "empty vessel". He basically already tells you that he cast away his ego. The same thing Al'mer seems to have done. Everything in this game that gets resurrected comes back as something twisted. Some type of shell of its former self. Even the Old Gods are like cast off shells.
He has no soul. He doesn't need one. Souls affect people's way of life by theor tendencies or sometimes even destiny. Him, being part of a prophecy, doesn't need the world pushing hin to a way of life
I think that leggard is not even a human dude is oozing green hue all over.
I think he might be thr manifestation of the will of all new gods into a human shaped vessel.
Also we don't see his former self in void like other characters. Like he didn't even need to shed his ego, because there isn't. This 2 point made me think he is different than others, and not a "artificial being".
As someone said in comments before about Le'garde having a soul strong enough not being able to be taken with stone here is my theory: as in termina we check the zodiacs it shows there are a few more soul types that we don't know yet. His soul based on his actions it can be an Abyssal one (if it could be named). My reason is simple: "If you gaze into the abyss, the abyss looks back". Legarde in his younger years wanted more while throwing away what he doesnt need, as Kaiser he accepted his destiny as someone who will bring out the last and new age.
Gro-goroth is known to walk among humans disguised as a man. Le'garde could be Gro-goroth in disguise.
And in addition to that, we know that Le'garde is the father of the little girl, I have a suspicion that he is also the real father of Reila and Olivia Haas. That is why when Reila became Logic (the Machine god), she didn't just turn into a new god but into something else, maybe an ascended god?
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who was thinking Le'garde could be Gro-goroth! The inclusion of Gro-goroth walking the earth as a human is too specific to just be world building imo
Counterpoint: He isn't ginger.
He is in some of the colorings. His battle spotted isn't the same color as is menu sprite that isn't the same color as his hair in the art
Notably, on the official wheel of souls, there is NO February 29th, meaning it's technically possible that a being was born where no soul matched and one of those was Le'garde.
I suspect Le'Garde's soul was taken. That Nilvan took it, and used it to make the Girl's soul.
I could run with the theory that Le'garde has no soul, mostly due to the fact that he portrays traits of all 4 soul types, being Domination through is being captain of the Knights of the Midnight Sun, Enlightenment from his study of the occult, Torment from his time imprisoned in the dungeon, and Endless from his "fun time with Nilvan"
Very well laid out argument with excellent editing. Love this kind of lore speculation and subbed hard.
Thank you friend! I intend to make more videos in a similar enough vein to this.
He might be as well a husk of someone, bc as we all know husk don't have souls. In funger 2 we are introduced to doppelganger so this could be another theory as well.
Idk how crazy this sounds but what if he is a vampire as a reference to dio, one of the antagonists of jojo's, that's would explain it and he is always returning from death
not sure about vampire. If we go off of Ending C, he never died, he just became a New God. At the end of Termina it is implied that you actually just fought a Blood Golem, since Nas'hrah comments on him using a "blood ritual" and "escaping.
Though the idea of him being a husk is interesting. That may have some merit, Miasma seems to affect all mortals who wield it and yet not him.
i heard that miro didnt rly watch jojo
I kinda think his soul was taken by the girl in the conception, and that was the plan all along. So he used to have the ancient soul, as he was the man of the profecy. Also is there gonna be another game?
What about the blank soul? Idk, we just haven't got much lore on the blank soul yet, I find it interesting. How can one's soul simply be "blank"? How is having a blank soul different to no soul?
Daan's Soul? The Blank Soul is likely tied to his lack of self-worth and his deep depression due to the death of his wife and his inability to go on without her or bring her back for that matter. He's generally nice to the other contestants, but his state is shown to be that bad outside of those interactions. His Ending B goes to show that too.
I don't think the Blank Souls fits Le'garde, he values his own existence too much and is intrinsically tied to the world in many ways. I think the Blank Soul is representative of someone living a hollow existence, like they are truly absent from their own life. He has "nothing" inside of him in that regard, he has no will and nothing of value or anything to look forward to, which is exactly why he's implied to kill himself in his Ending.
> Le'garde has no soul
> Le'garde doesn't know he has no soul
> Le'garde was prophetized to be the change this world needed.
> The Yellow King wasn't the change. It was the Girl.
> The Girl has the Ancient Soul.
> The Girl was bornt from Le'garde and Nilvan.
So, my headcannon, Le'garde was going to be the big deal because he has an Ancient Soul. He got prophetized to be the big deal because of his soul. That attracted the attention of Nilvan, who knew humanity was cursed to never trully ascend to Godhood. Nilvan steals Le'garde's soul and births the Girl, a demi-human (free of curse) with an Ancient Soul (the big deal).
But that assumes Le'garde was bornt with an Ancient Soul. The Ancient Soul exists from old, that's why it's Ancient. So what if Le'garde is a reincarnation of Alll'mer. Except, he reincarnated with an imperfect human body, incapable of ascending. From where else can an Ancient Soul materialize, if not from a dead God.
Old God Sylvian and Gro'goroth are gone, Rher is present. The God of the Depths is alive but dormant until the Player destroys his hearts (confirmed in Termina). But Alll'mer is just a body.
So the soul must have come from either Alll'mer or the God of the depths.
One thing that's interesting to note... I hear that he, in a way, gained all the aspects of the souls of the playable cast of Funger 1. Dominating through conquest, enlightened through study of eldritch knowledge, endless from the visitation of Nil'Van, and Tormented from his torture in the dungeons.
Perhaps he gave his soul. Maybe he imbued all his power into creating The Girl. Maybe that's why he's so malleable with attaining such power...
As we know the only gingers in this game are a incel a child (also literally satan) and a natiz what is miro trying to say🤔
Great video hope we see legard again feel like we dont know nearly enough about him for being a crucial character.
I think reading the king in yellow would tell a lot of his character because the king in yellow influence the scp story the hanged king where the hanged king himself is controlled by someone is stronger than him.
didn't Le'garche end up in The Dungeon for him to obtain the other souls aspect (domination. tormented, endless and enlightened ) ?
I think maybe Le'garde have the Empty soul (this soul type is not canon by the way) like the Heartless One? Cuz empty and heartless is a bit similar at least to me, but not sure tho it just my through
He could be an empty puppet of grogoroth or the sulfur god cuz of the yellow robe. Maybe him being soulless is a pun on how ruthless he is
I think Ragnvaldr's soul also can't be absorbed, is that true?
Le'garde did nothing wrong
shout out to yellow Hitler
And neither did Kaiser.
And neither did Griffith?
That one village in question:
@@fayhay8011The village of raiders and marauders?
I've actually been pondering this for a bit...what would happen if Moonless ascended to godhood? What kind of god would she be and how would this affect the world of Fear and Hunger?
I know I'm going to be flooded with comments telling me I'm stupid followed by long diatribes on why only humans can become gods, but this is a purely "what-if" scenario. (although I wouldn't underestimate what's possible or impossible in this messed up game world)
Think of it; the party facing the final gauntlet, only for everyone to be struck down or immobilized at the last hurtle. Best girl Moonless is able to avoid or withstand the hit, but she's nearly down for the count herself. And yet, surrounded by the people who've shown her kindness, who've given her a family after she'd been rejected by her own pack, she summons her last ounce of strength to protect them and sacrifices herself in order to fell this great evil who threatens them.
Despite her physical corruption in the dungeons, her sense of loyalty held strong, and she made her mark on this terrible place in the only way she could (wink wink). She has earned her right to ascend to a higher power, as she once did amongst her own kind in the outside world.
I mean really, she's our goodest girl. She'd be a hell of a lot better deity than any of the other whackos crawling around this place.
I put my money on his soul is something all together different and greater. We saw what happened with the normal souls when they ascended and his ascension is entirely different. He is after all the prophesied one
I’m not sure if this means anything, but the Yellow King is an obvious reference to HP Lovecraft’s Nyarlathotep from ‘The King in Yellow’….maybe Le’Garde wasn’t human to begin with, but is Nyarlathotep, an Outer God/emissary (offspring of the Old Gods Azathoth & Yig) in a human disguise.
An interesting fact about Nyarlathotep aka ‘The Crawling Chaos’ is that he is the only Outer God that uses a human like appearance, probably the most evil out of them all. Exists purely to torture others through deceit, manipulation and ‘chaos’….basically this is right up his alley 😂
A link for those interested. th-cam.com/video/qkfTHhzcMtY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=H4uuoocUZm5yC3ax
Thats cool! Im curious though because that could also imply one of a few things: 1. Legarde is simply acting like grogoroth or 2. He IS grogoroth. AFAIK i think the old god was explicitly stated to have put on a human disguise to walk among people, and it is also exactly in line with his whole destruction/chaos schtick. Perhaps this is a continuation of sorts, and grogoroth never really completrly left (since we know old gods like sulfur still exist)
Maybe Le'garde lost his soul when he helped Nilvan conceive the Girl. She was a rather artificial being, and perhaps Le'garde's soul was necessary to create the Girl's special soul.
ok what about this, he has the ancient one soul or some soul used to make it, so when nilvan made the girl she used legarde to create the soul wich would ascend to be the god of fear and hunger, thats why legarde is the child of the profecy but failed in his ascention, he lost his soul or what made it special
Le'grade is basically a false protagonist of a prophecy. With prophecy there is no telling if it is the time. But you can argue he made logic and rivaled the Old Gods. Honestly he just a cog to his prophecy he assumed is his. Sometimes a chosen one isn't perfect it's the one needed to change things
Make more videos! Long lore videos, with a calm voice like that
I think of it if what we are seeing are “gods” then maybe he became a “devil”. Perhaps he’s a “new god” version of whatever the sulfur god is
I'm personally thinking that he has a blank soul: one that is a blank canvas for others to paint on. My rationale for all of this comes from Fear and Hunger 2 where Daan is the only one that doesn't have a moonscorched body. Instead, he becomes the next host of Pocketcat. I am thinking he became aware of it and decides to use the experiences of his life to paint his soul with each soul type. That's just my thoughts on it.
I believe you are correct. He was a prophicized one, rose above to become that of a New God (or a vampire) and was trying to become an Ascended God (the only other two we know of are Alll-Merr and God of F&H, both needing to be killed and reborn from the corpse of an Old God).
We are told that you must be born into becoming an Ascended God, not able to become a New God and THEN becoming Ascended. Le'Garde does not believe this and does not follow these set rules. Why was he so confident that he could do so when everything says he couldn't? If not having been beat to the punch by a little girl twice now would he truly have Ascended? I think so.
nice vid,suprised u barely have subs,i rarely comment on vids,keep up the good work man(i love fear and hunger content/discussions/anything related to the game and yours is top notch,im sure ull get a lot more subs quite fast)
I understood Le'Garde just as I understood Griffith from Berserk, especially the Griffith from the eclipse day, as a huge selfish dick that sacrifices everyone to reach his goals
Congrats you didn't understand anything then lmfao
Griffith was literally a breathing corpse who couldn't do nothing for himself anymore and the hawks already wanted to leave him behind so... that's why the sacrifice happened
@@dudinha0000 maybe should read the manga again, cause It was already his M.O way before the eclipse, he just had nothing more to lose on the eclipse day, Fear and Hunger is a huge Berserk reference from the art style to the way the characters behave mostly.
@@dudinha0000Griffith was always portrayed as someone who would do ANYTHING to achieve his dream.
He cared about the Hawk because they were his trusted tools to achieve such, and if they needed to be sacrificed to do it, so be it.
Griffith seeing the hawks as his tools was a facade he played off of to distance himself from the crushing weight of loss and hide the fact that he was spiraling. Casca and Griffith had an interaction where we got to see how Griffith really felt. The men and women who died in his name, the children who gave their lives for him, all of it weighed on him to the point he felt he was going to break.
He wasn't "Some dick" that sacrificed everyone. He was a broken shell of a man that could either keep digging for what his men fought for, or he could let it go and all of them died for nothing. It wasn't about stepping over people to get what he wanted, it was about marching on to reach the goal the hawks paid for with their lives.
I hate what Griffith did, but what he did isn't as cut and dry as "he's a selfish dick".
Leg guard wishes he was formed from the mind of Miura, instead he's just the negative parts of Griffith's character without the substance.
What if He had the Dominating soul, Gave it to D'arce at some point/loses it in the dungeon and gets it back after D'arce revives him which is why no dominating soul in FH2
Le'garde just doesn't have a soul because he was born on a leap day
Im more curious as to what his soul type is... but then givin his backstory and his inspirations. It's obvious that his soul type must have been a domination soul.
Do you think Le'garde is a weird artificial human/marriage? He has a lot of the same facial and design features as the normal sylvian marriage (sharp jawline, dark skin, similar eye shape, wide shoulders, etc.) and he uses a lot of marriages in his army as the Kaiser. If he was a homunculus that could partially explain him potentionally not having a soul because he is a divine miss-mash of parts
cool video,looking forward to more content by you!
Maybe Le'garde is what happens if you cast Demon Seed on a living being?
he pawned his soul for cash probably
Apparently soul and consciousness are two very different things. Some religions only speak of 1 and not the other.
cmon le'gard was a man of the prophecy, which means hes life was set not by him but by destiny. He was beautiful and perfect.... for no reason? remember who was unhappy about her creations so she created a perfect human (all-mer) Nilvans plan was just that good. AND the very similarly planned life had Daan with his blank soul, goin through all the tragedies almost as thewy were staged, being stalked by pocketcat for years, BECOMING the pocketcat and ofc being perfect for sulfur even mathing his describtion with only having the right eye. coinsidence?
amazing vid, personally i find all theores equally as possible but the no soul theory seems most likely
I think you're on to something everyone but le gard can have there soul taken that are human. But only legarde can't it's very odd. I mean it was because it's a game. Then why not just outright say that.
He could have been created by the old gods to be a replacement Alll-mer and was never human to begin with. You know get humans worshipping old/asended gods again instead of the new gods.
Its vital to understand that one of the themes of the game is rebelling against the old gods destiny, and legarde is proof of this, he wanted nothing more than to stop being a puppet for the older gods destiny, and a soul is a vital part of this, souls probably mold your life in such a way that a concept such as "destiny" can become materialized, legarde understood this so he lost his soul as a way to create his own destiny
I thought Le’garde lost his soul when he died and was resurrected
maybe legarde doesent have a soul because hes actually an old god, or an aspect of one at least, notably grogorath is said to sometimes take the form of a man, and legarde certainly matches grogoraths habit of destruction, basically everything we see from him is death and war, from destroying ravagoldes home, to darces S ending, to causing the equivalent of ww2, and fitting Grogoroths MO their is no malice to this, the village was just in his way and for all the horrors he commits theirs no indication FAH version of the Great War had any racial holocaust or other sort of targeted hatred, his destruction is purely to make room for something new
great video but you need a popfilter
These games desperately need to be on console.
Pleasant surprise on my feed! nice video man
I strongly believe that he is the Emperor!
he is
I'm honestly thinking Legarde became a Lich after he went to the afterlife then came back after D'arce revived him.
Fascinating
What if, just what if, he originally had the ancient one soul but the girl inherited it? Like, the girl does go on to become an ascended god, something substantial more powerful than a new god, and unites all humanity through pain and suffering, just as the prophecy said...
7:13 is it just me or do the main characters just get wider and wider here?
no you are correct its an editing mistake LMAO
Personally it wouldn’t make sense for le garde to not have a soul. Those without souls have no morales or understanding of good or evil. Another thing to note they lack emotion legarde shows emotions and so forth so its likely he does have a soul but its not in his body i think most likely when the newground gave birth to the girl she inherited his soul. Judging from the yellow king ending legarde isn’t limited to what the new gods can do instead he’s doing a ton of things unbelievable for a new god. in part 2 since d’arce ending is canon it can be speculated legarde failed his ascension due to the girl already ascending. This further leads to the girl actually having no other than legarde’s soul otherwise it wouldn’t make sense for legarde to not have the exact ascension as the yellow king ending.
If you ask New Gods in the Grand Hall about Prophecy or Le'garde they stray up tell you that the prophecy is fake and made up. I subscribe to the theory that Le'garde is artifical human/homunculus creted by whoever, out of nothingness and this left him with now sould which is why he is so determined to be a part pf "greter scheme" of things in both games. Not out of goodness of his soul(Get it? Cause he has non), or altruism for the greater good of all but ironically because he was made less of a human.
Like any human, he selfishly wanted to find his "true self". Despite in game telling us he came out of humble origins, I think he himsef made it up and the so called "prophecy" about himself to get more people on his side.
There are more possibilities beyond not having a soul. For example, what if his soul was a combination of all different soul types--something completely alien that doesn't conform to the expectations of reality. He also could have something more than a soul. What if he's ascended the very concept of the soul itself such that his "soul" is something entirely different. He could also possibly be a non deterministic soul. What if he doesn't have a fixed soul type and his soul may change depending on some circumstances? He could also be an inverse soul. Like matter an anti matter, perhaps his soul is in some way the inverse of traditional souls? Another possibility is that Le Garde doesn't really exist--what if he is merely a hologram or projection from some other God or entity that controls him like a puppet? Alternatively LeGarde could be an alien or another being that exists at a higher level of reality than even the Gods? Just like how we can't observe anything operating in the 5th dimensional space, a soul operating in a higher dimension wouldn't even be visible or understandaboenin a lower dimension, although a higher dimension could almost certainly affect a low dimension
I strongly believe!
He didn't really died during ending A which why you get no soul
anyone saying le'garde is some god is disguise.....yea he got folded by rag try again
Don’t we know legardes soul type from the Hexen? (I haven’t finished the video yet)
Still haven’t finished the vid yet but I got to where my prev question is addressed, I think maybe legarde had to use his dominating soul to create the girl with nilvan
Yay glad this was addressed lol this was like single player lore bingo
Le'Garde mentions at the end of Termina he left his old ego wandering in the green hue. That term "ego" could be referring to the greek term for self. His attitude and abilities in the first game is reminiscent of the dominating soul type, so its very likely that he exchanged his soul for a chance to attain true-godhood.
He had to leave part of himself behind when he escaped the Void. Says so himself in Termina.
see this would make sense but he should at least have a soul in the zodiac way. like maybe his physical soul is missing but like obviously souls are related to your birthday so like what would his soul be if he was normal bc he HAS To have one its not like he was born on febuary 31st or something. like bitch and cry all i want im not gonna stop being a leo bc im the guy from a prohpecy.
Le'garde hasn't got a soul just because he is a psychopath
Is anyone actually surprised that the guy who’s supposed to be this universe’s Griffith doesn’t have a soul? 😂