The Tragedy of Gen 3 Beedrill.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ม.ค. 2024
- Pokemon Competitive Singles in Gen 3 has a long history. Gen 3 has many examples of random, subpar seeming Mons carving out some sort of niche for themselves in OU. A lower power level and reasonable top threats can create a lot of metagame diversity.
But unfortunately, the iconic bug type Beedrill has very little to offer in Gen 3. It not only has absolute 0 use in OU, even in the lower tiers it struggles quite a lot compared to its fellow Early game Bugs.
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Jim was traumatised so much by the request to use Beedrill on his stream that he had to make this video.
I love how this is just a rant
It's just a rant, and Beedrill really didn't find it's OU set 😂
"Such metagame titans, as lilleep and castform"
This is my favorite line of the year thus far, true or not
it is true in that teir.
I've got a Monograss LC run planned for Unbound Insane, Lileep is likely going to be a game changer
I’ve been wiped by lilleep in a zu game, when band aipom literally plows through half the game something like lilleep is necessary
Something like a bug type explosion for Beedrill would have been cool based off the idea that a bee can only sting once and then dies when it loses its stinger.
Beedrill has a simple design but doesn't have a simple time in any metagame
Ain't that the truth.
*cough cough* mega beedrill *cough cough*
@@mrtrollnator123Mr Walled by Skarmory
@@mrtrollnator123even that isn’t the best. It gets walled by quite a bit of the meta and other megas are better
@@jip0611 hey at least he was viable in a tier at all
I love how the examples of gens where Beedrill improved still feature clips of Beedrill dying
shoutout to that oras mega where the 100 stat boost wasn't enough so they had to give mega beedrill the most comedically minmaxed stats possible in order for it to have a niche. what a mon
Beedrill really should've gotten levitate. It's a bee for crying out loud, of course it flies.
Like that will make it viable even in zu
@@cocenthusiast6542even with levitate it'll die to any strong neutral hit let alone super effective attacks
@@cocenthusiast6542even f***ing gastly is better than it
@@mrtrollnator123To be fair, gastly is kinda one of the stronger first form pokémon ever
to be fair, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly
I don’t think I’ve heard you chastise a Pokémon nearly as much as you did to Beedrill in this video. You really went in on it.😂😂😂
The boy Iron Jugulis
iron jugulis unfortunately exists.
The delivery of “they forgot to give Beedrill any attacks” was absolute gold.
instead of buffing Beedrill itself, i would buff its signature move Twineedle by making it a priority move, whit that Beedrill could make use of Swarm a lot better and be a decent revenge killer.
As far as early game bugs go I always liked Vivillon, fen 6 felt like a generation where they decided to actually make the route 1 mons useful. Talonflame was a beast obviously, Diggersby was crazy strong, and Vivillon had access to 99% accurate sleep powder, quiver dance, and 97% accurate Hurricane. Wasn't overly strong but it at least could do something unique!
Someone’s never faced the butterfly effect in ag, wasn’t too good in Gen 6 since darkrai was forcing so much sleep prep but in Gen 7-8 sub QD hurricane sleep power viv is a monster in the right matchups lol
Vivillion's signature move powder is underated. Cancels fire types attacks and the user loses 25% of health.
if beedrill and twin needle were released now instead of gen 1 it would be 50 damage per hit with a 50% chance to poison and keep the gen 2 ability to poison steel types it once had.
If they can buff Leech Life they should buff Twineedle. Definitely should give it the ability to poison Steel types back, it was probably an oversight in Gen 2 but gives it some unique utility.
Finally. I am caught up on the lore of The Tragedy of Gen 3 Beedrill.
Gen 3 in game Beedrill ain't completely awful, but competitive isn't in game sadly.
It's not a story the Professors would tell you.
You know things are bad when ur best stab is hidden power lol
Meanwhile Salamance using hp fly as stab being a top tier mon xD
It's poor on the design front because it fails to incorporate the utility of bug moves as an offensive venture. Back when we were idiot kids, normal moves against rocks was a bad time
Back then a lot of things didn't work, not even rock. And you only had a handful of special moves that could. If only you had a fast, power packed nuke the likes of mega Beedrill to pop off a twinneedle or two, which not only hits twice for a potential crit, but also poisons? Bypassing rock AND ground's resistance to poison
Not even Scyther learns a bug move until gen 2, which if I'm not mistaken is exclusively fury cutter. It's just not good for the brand
I'm not saying give Beedrill poison touch (although it's sort of a freebie) but bug types have a whole typing only to be complete fodder. How many Poison bugs out there going toe to toe with Kadabra?
I used a beedrill in my soulsilver playthrough were i thought it was really cool because of the way it was posed, it looked like a fierce knight stabbing forth its lance ready for battle.
“Ledian but worse, and that’s as bad as you can get” YOU LEAVE LEDIAN ALONE 😭
Vanilla Beedrill is the quite literal equivelent of bringing a bee agaisnt a 10 meter tall snake that can shoot lazer beams and you expect it to win agaisnt it somehow.
I really love beedrill, and mega beedrill is one of the reasons i will always support megas. They made it actually decent to use with the stat boost and adaptability. I wish they could have made a regional form of beedrill based on mega beedrill so i could actually use him in later gens.
Mega Beedrill was a glass cannon. And if you set up swords dance, it becomes a glass howitzer.
Jim if you ever need to talk to someone please talk, I understand the toll that using Beedrill in any metagame can put on a person. It is insane.
Would be pretty cool to see Twineedle get a buff to 40bp per hit like dual wingbeat with the poison chance, nice way to upgrade beedrills signature move, or make it like dragon darts with the smart targeting, I think that would make sense on a bee pokemon
I feel like attack order also deserves a buff as one of the few still signature moves.
Make it a buff infestation
there should be a bug move that forces people to switch out like circle throw/dragon tail@@DemiIsNotHere
Jim, I’ve been getting positively shocking mileage out of venomoth, running hp bug, sleep powder, sub, screech. I did a team of 6 randomized mons. I thought “clearly venomoth is the worst.” But he ended up cleaning many matches during the late game with some surprising shenanigans. Definitely my favorite early game bug type at the moment.
Guys you dont understand. It's a "Bee" with a "Drill"
And you call it a bee, despite the fact that it is obviously a wasp.
@@glitchedoom y es
But those are spears tho
I'm sure that a mon with such a menacing look like beedrill would have at the very least 120 base attack if it was released in newer gens (and honestly it would absolutely make sense! It really looks like something that can hurt you). I would like it to receive a paradox form or something to compensate the fact that the mega is not in the game anymore.
Could just get a buff too like plenty of Pokémon have
Past or Future Beedrill would have been fun! But sadly (even though il love it) the niche of the paradox bug was filled with Volcarona...
@@lompass379 Hm... Here A past variant for you.
HP 63
ATK 129
DEF 79
SP.ATK 129
SP.DEF 39
SPEED 131
BST 570
It is about as frail as the OG Beedrill, but more so on the special side.
@@ThanatosZero I like that it is a mixed attacker, would have been amazing honestly. (And grats for knowing that past forms all have uneven stats, not everybody spotted this detail). It would have been so cool to have a bug dragon type with this profile
@@ThanatosZeroin past gens that would be stupidly min maxed and broken by ou standards. Insane how much power creep has come that that spread doesn’t look to op
So I have a really cool story about why Beedrill is my favorite bug type. Back when I was a little kid playing Pokémon Silver I was just bored one night and so I was headbutting trees near Violet City to see if anything cool would pop out. While I was doing this out pops a shiny Weedle. This was my first ever shiny and I was so happy it became a permanent staple on my team.
Now we moved around a lot while I was growing up and sadly my copy of Silver was eventually lost. But the craziest part is what happened later on. One night after I had just graduated high school I was just kinda wandering around near Violet City in Soul Silver when guess what pops out of the grass. A shiny Weedle. I just excitedly shouted "He came back!" I still have that Beedrill to this day and when ORAS made a Mega Beedrill I was so excited.
Beedrill may suck but it'll always be a favorite of mine.
Beedrill needs a straight up BST buff like what Dugtrio got a couple generations ago.
Beedrill got +10Attack in XY
@@JB-only Bruh 💀
@@JB-only surely that makes it viable right guys
@@JB-onlywow 90 attack! So powerful!
Still better than some other buffs. Remember Ariados and Staraptor getting 10 spdef?
I like Vivillon, it's surprisingly not completely god awful, and it's form gimmick is pretty neat, especially back in gen 6
My favourite Pokemon! He was the first Pokemon I ever got up to Level 100. When Mega Beedrill was released I was so hyped.
You really knocked it out of the park with this one. I’ve never heard someone so passionately berate Beedrill like you have. A rather entertaining watch, thanks Jimothy
"this might be farfetched but farfetch'd is better" had me chuckling, excellent work! Now I'll cry over how bad they did my boy..
Weedle was my first shiny all the way back in Gold. Beedrill was my favorite mon for a little while before I ever looked at a status page or knew people played competitively. Beedrill isn't much, but I'll always remember it fondly.
Nice video Jimothy, hope your day is insane (in an exclusively positive manner)
Butterfree:
-Very accurate sleep and paralysis moves, ground immunity
Ledian:
-Decently fast, good Special Defense, elemental punches for coverage
Ariados:
-Sleep immunity, can trap pass like Umbreon
Beautifly:
-It's a mixed attacker I guess?
Masquerain:
-Intimidate and has unique coverage with Hydro Pump and Ice Beam
For hitting with STAB Sludge Bomb, Weepinbell is also ZU
Elemental Punches ain't doin much from its pathetic attacking stats. Ledian mostly has support, screens, and baton pass
Elemental punches have a chance to status the enemy so their is a small amount of utility there.
"Beautifly: Mixed attacker I guess?"
That's great! Only problem, Masquerain is also a mixed attacker (Beautifly is just outclassed by Masq)
@@electricipea.101 masquerain should've been bug/water
@@electricipea.101 Yeah Beautifly is almost as pointless as Beedrill
Beedrill is one of the most iconic and recognizable bug types in the Pokémon franchise.
This is a great example of the elegant simplicity of Pokemon designs from gen 1
At a glance, this Pokémon looks like it'd be pretty strong
Ariados is one of the more significant pokemon to outclass Beedrill in the unfrozen ADV ZU! I’ll be watching ZU Olympiad II to see if Beedrill can find a place in the tier, or if it’s fated to drop to ADV Subzero Used.
Throwing in some additional information. Farfetch'd in comparison is SU (below ZeroUsed) with pushes to be risen to ZU, and Ledian is also SU but being pushed to drop to Imaginary Used due to the lower tiers BP policy
What you said about Ledyba had me laughing sooooo hard when I watched this yesterday. I had to stop what I was doing. Loved this video, beautiful look at the calamity that is the bee.
Beedrill
some additional commentary on beedrill in adv zu: there was a recent shift within the past few weeks that added 26 new pokemon to the zu tier from pu, including beedrill itself. the points made in the video are still valid, but dont necessarily reflect the current metagame.
in the weeks of meta development, lileep and castform are no longer the titans they once were, and yet beedrill still struggles. some of the top-tier mons now are quilava and ponyta, which are both faster and threaten beedrill with their fire-type stab, and graveler, which can tank any hit (even at +2 attack with no defensive investment on graveler) and ohko it back with its stab options. koffing is also still good (thanks to graveler) and can handle beedrill easily, especially if you're packing flamethrower or even just will-o-wisp.
for bug-types in the tier, it's outclassed by both anorith, which has the same speed stat but a significantly higher base attack and an actual ability, and ariados, which can hit graveler and koffing super effectively with giga drain and psychic, respectively.
Lileep is still a relatively solid enough comparison coz how it offers the best physical defensively value compared to Graveler, and Castform is effectively Porygon but with no reliable recovery
What I would love to see the dissertation Egoraptor would write on this subject given his stance during Game Grump's Pokémon Fire Red let's play.
Meanwhile, Chancellor Iron-Morguilis at Sydney:
Did You Heard the tragedy of Gen 3 Beedril?
one of my favorite videos so far
Beautiful! It’s super goated in the early battle factory at the gem 4 battle frontier. Additionally I got a shiny Beautifly on a recent playthrough of Ruby, and i adore getting random shinies.
I love that ever video immhas a clip of the showcase Pokémon being flinched to death by jirach
Beedrill was still in PU when ZU was on the ladder rotation. Honestly it probably wouldnt be so great considering Dustox, Weezing and Nosepass are top tier walls. Common attackers like Aipom and Castform can just OHKO it. Truly the pokemon of all time
Omg. Idk why but the pronounciations this video felt really funny to me, especially girafarig and farfetchd.
Great video as always.
I WAS THERE
I SAW THIS LIVE
what a day
I love masquerain, intimidate + sticky webs + actually good special movepool is great, just wish it was part water type. (ik its not a route 1 bug but still)
“I’d be an absolute bafoon.” I was blindsided. You got me.
My favorite early game bug type is the Ledyba line. Ledyba is cute and Ledian looks like a cool kamen rider. Both also outclass Beedrill
Seeing as you asked, Orbeetle is my favourite early game bug. Cool typing that I’d wanted for a long time, also he looks like a Gundam, or an Aura Battler from another old anime series called Aura Battler Dunbine if anyone’s seen that. I’m mildly annoyed that it’s not currently available in gen 9.
Orbeetle also has 505 bst, which is crazy for an early game bug and is the foundation for me wanting all the other early game bugs to eventually get huge, Masquerain level and beyond stat buffs to match.
Dang man your last name is cool! You must be pretty epic
You know you dun goofed up when Jimothy pulls out the Earthbound music
I'm from Latam, so I watched the pokemon anime in spanish.
I remember vividly who ash, in the DP anime, used to call bedrill like "bee-draw-L"
And I hated it.
That's my beedrill related story. Thanks for reading.
WE TAKING ON THE KANTO LF/FR LEAGUE WITH THIS BEE 🐝🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
Carful Jim. might give us some ideas for next Choice my mon stream :j
Thanks for the video, I didn’t think Ledian had a better niche than bedrill to be honest. Maybe I should request Ledian next stream? 💀 Mayhaps see what mental gymnastics I make you try
I would personally give Beedrill +10 Attack like in Gen 6, and buff Twineedle or Pin Missle. I could also see Endure being useful to reliably get down into Swarm range, and maybe have a Salac berry or something.
Rip and tear, Jim. Rip and tear.
As a wasp & bee hater, this is a massive W in my eyes
Without bees humanity wouldn't survive for more than 4 years
@@naganut9718if that means no bees sounds good to me
sobbing and crying rn
Hell, in that last "what would I change" segment, I feel like the bug stab could just be Megahorn and it'd feel extremely thematic with its giant lances
damn man what did beedrill ever do to you
Gasp, a wild Glimbus!
Beedrill has done very little for me.
Beedrill is my favorite underdog Pokemon. I know it will never be good anywhere but I just love the guy.
"It might sound far-fetched of me to say here... but even Farfetch'd" 😂
One of my favorite bugs will always be dustox. I take it to the end in every game that has it. It’s also the only pokemon I’ve gone through the grind to shiny hunt for. I beat giratina in PLA with a golden poison moth.
Jimothy these pronunciations are about to have me roll out the window
My favorite early bug has to be leavanny, such a cool design and it was great seeing it in the anime
Buzzz bzz buzzzz buuzz bzz bz buuuuzz buzzzzz! - Beedrill, probably.
My favorite mega and part of my favorite type, part of my favorite gen (b/w 2, you thought it was gen 1).
There's one gen3 metagame where beedrill is functional: gen3 random. In gen3 random, it operates as a salac SD sweeper. The stat scaling benefits it greatly there. Additionally, Beedrill's power really depends on the opposing team. Often, your opponent has no check to SD Beedrill or just one that can be dispatched to enable the sweep. Beedrill operates as a legitimate gen3 random win con, and can't be taken lightly.
when you gotta have 20 more levels than your opponent to be a menace tho
1:54 Getting outclassed by Farfetch'd is CRAZY
Damn, that Beedrill really broke something in Jim.
And there I thought I broke him with Tropius plus Piloswine, but alas, I forgot about the bugs
I am ready for find 473737 buterfrees on the ladder after this video
Mega Beedrill had Fell Stinger and it was the most awesome sauce i've come across.
Beedrill design wise looks like it can be pinsir/scyther tier of pretty cool pretty ok bug type pokemon. It's not unfortunately. Also really like you pronounced milotic like melodic. Pretty sure the battle revolution announcer says it like that too.
Ledyba is such a neat visual design.
I wanna see a video that talks about why moves like roar and whirlwind aren't metagame staples like they are in gens 2 and 3 ou for example
i think negative priority became much more of a strain as the power creep kept getting more and more insane
Will we get a video finishing the Regi Trio and dogs for Gen 3?
I remember old Smogon sets just recommended Choice Band Butterfree and whatnot... Seeing someone talk ill about Beedrill in gen 3 makes me wonder how we got there.
My favorite early bug type is butterfree.
I like Ariados, it's surprisingly versatile and looks awesome.
beedrill saw this video and decided they needed to prove their True Strength to jim
Bug types really need a 60bp "venom" move that works like salt cure, except without the bonus vs steel/water. It could be distributed to the many weak spider/bee/centipede pokemon.
Giving Beedrill that, plus technician and revenge, would let it at least threaten walls and run some choice sets.
My favourite early bug is Butterfree due to how hard it ended up carrying me when I played Yellow
Being called worse than ledian is a fate worse than death 😂
When next live stream? I miss them. Also is there a better way to get you the donations instead of super chat where evil TH-cam gets a massive cut?
I love Mega Beedrill. Sure, it's still no top rank pokemon, but it's the Beedrill we always wanted. It could actually lay down the hurt its design promised us.
I was interested in trying RBY OU and my favorite Pokémon is Venusaur so I figured I'd run him.
Of course it's RBY so not many players and unluckily for me, one guy I ran into semi-consistently had Beedrill on his team... that managed to plow through Venusaur and my weakened Exeggutor.
Surprising since in gen 1 ou beedrill isn't an ou mon
loving beedrill is just a constant lesson in pain ;~;
Havent seen this but i assume the physical special split not happening yet caused it to be bad.
To make up for it, do a session with mega beedrill in gen 6/7 OU or UU.
Pain
10 year old me used Beedrill on my FireRed playthrough team. 🤣 Still have it to this day, but good lord what was I thinking? 😭😭😭
I frequently play random gem 3 ou and groan when I get beedrill
Also, the line such metagame titans as lil rep and cast form is a wild fucking sentence
Grubbin is my favorite early game bug
Ideas for buffing vanilla Beedrill:
-Buff Twineedle to 40 base power (x2 hits) and give it Technician (maybe have Beedrill learn it later to stay balanced in-game.)
-Give Beedrill Skill Link to make its Pin Missile worth using.
-Give Beedrill a signature Bug-type Beat Up (perhaps "Hornet Swarm") in which hits from Bug-type Pokemon on the team are increased in power.
I lost my mind when Beedrill's mega evolution got released, which improved the pokémon a ton, and I lost it just as quickly when they scrapped the mega evolution concept again
"Immune to ground and Dugtrio"
Hear me out: a bug type endeavor that can poison
what did they give beedrill in hoenn gaiden
Iron drills is here
Does Scolipede count as an early game bug? Cause i love that mon.