Ilan Pappe in Detroit: Truth is on Our Side .. Truth is on the Side of the Palestinians
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- Ilan Pappe in Detroit: Truth is on Our Side .. Truth is on the Side of the Palestinians
invited by AlNadwa Freethining Society
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Muslims, Jews and Christians gathered in a church discussing freely for the sake of humanity is what we need today. We are tired of extremist racist politicians who advocate exclusion, more wars and aggression...
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We must re- educate the Christian Zionists to understand what is really going on here.
Your opening sentence is the start of a great joke. @@SchilaEl-Sleiman
Haven't the world had enough religiousity meddling in people's lives? The Zionist project is build on religions. It's got to stop.
Mr P an amazing human being with a great heart who stands up for justice and the solution of palestine. May you be blessed and rewarded. Thank you. May palestine 🇵🇸 be free
From Palestine to the world ❤ From the world to Palestine LIBERATION🙏
And what about the Jews and Israel?
@@stephanie4200 What about you? If the plain and simple liberation of others upsets you, I think that's a you problem, not an us problem. Might just want to sit and have a think about that one.
Thanks god there are people like IIan Pappe and Norman Finkelstein who are beacons of truth and humanity
Avi Schlaim also
Naom Chomsky, Gideon Levy and the late 🙏 Edward Saed too!
ALL THE ABOVE ARE CORRECT.AND COUNTLESS OTHERS HWO BEEN WORKING TIRELESSLY 4 JUST
PEACE n FREE n INDEPENDENT STATE OF PALESTINE, LIVING SIDE BY SIDE IN FULLY PEACEFUL PART OF THE WORLD 🌎.
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@@GottaWannaDancelove hearing him speak.
Also young people like Naomi Klein and Simone Zimmermann :-) All lovely people. Rabbi Yisrael Dovid Weiss as well.
Thank you for the amazing talk professor Pappe
Wow! This is what a superhero looks like.
one of the true modern day heroes of humanity.
God bless this humble man...
Thank you Mr.Pappe
Mr. Pappe is a true humanitarian.
And so what are Hamas????
@@stephanie4200 They are peace makers
Exellent presentation. Informative and educational.
Professor Pappe is a heroic figure.
Yes! My thoughts exactly! He’s devoted his life to telling the truth about the history of Israel and its brutal crimes, and he was driven out of his home country because of it.
Incredible words by Dr. Pappe. Thank you.
Interesting, very balanced view of the only one truth, thanks for your support for free Palestine ❤
Long Live 🇵🇸 welcome Dr. Pappe
My children were born in the U.S.. We are Christian. Their Best Friends were also born in the U.S. but are Muslim. This Generation will achieve new heights of peace with each other. They are absolutely devoted to one another. What's more beautiful is when a few of their Western or Asian, or Indian, or European friends are thrown in the mix.. Watching these young people coming together in all the best ways is my wish for The Middle East and the world. May the reap as they sew.
Since Zionist AIPAC rule America there will no different…. Now Israel’s are dragging America into war again with Iran as usual
Thanks IIan for ur great contribution of Humanity & Compassion of Humankind for Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Thank you for hosting this gentleman, and for sharing these truths.
Thanks for posting
Nice combination of great people with great intentions inside of the house of God almighty
Thanks to all of you and Dr pappe you really give me hope for freedom of Palestine and end of apartheid
Thank you Mr. Pappe 🙏🏽
Great discussion, thanks
Thankyou sir, for your great thruthful briefing 👍👍👍❤❤❤
From Gaza, thank u Prof Pappe and Dearborn Blog
"It is way beyond ironic that a place called the holy land is the location of the fiercest, most deeply felt hatred in the world." George Carlin
I’d just like to mention that no one ever claimed to invade another country in the name of Satan🤷♂️
@@jacobjorgenson9285 SatanYaWho?
Same land where Jesus was falsely condemned, scourged, crowned with thorns, forced to carry a heavy cross, stripped of His clothes ripping His flesh and crucified. He was mocked and when He said He was thirsty, He was given a vinegar soaked sponge.
Cruelty beyond belief.
Lord have mercy on the victims of this Holocaust and deliver the Palestinians ✝️
Thanks to Western politicians, who for centuries wanted Palestine. Don't forget the crusader oppressed the muslim population in Jerusalem along side with Jew. To the point that Saladin moved to free the city
You're all brainwashed to victimology of islam they've been infiltrating universities for decades, spreading hate and lies against the Jewish people. Anyone following this has some kind of 'victim guilt issues all focused on a palestinian. Never on a Syrian never on a Ukranian..?? WHY?? DO not bother to argue with me...your indoctrination is so complete that you have become puppets to the islamists
May God bless Ilean Pape in both worlds 💞💞💞
For anyone who want to understand the context, the historical facts should listen to this lecture of Dr. Pappe
You mean acceptance of terrorism and demonization of Jews and Israelis. It’s such a joke idk how you actually find enough useful idiots and now propaganda “professors” that spew hatred lies and murder. You’re all the definition of everything that is wrong w/ humanity. Most importantly the ignorance and 3000 year old desire to blame the Jews for your own failings as a religion and human and society. Pathetic. Horrifying. Not surprising. I guess.
Thank you so much Dr. pappe: a scholar with integrity and so much humor… bless you…
Vielen Dank Herr Pappe für ihre Fakten und eine Zukunftsperspektive für Menschenrechte ohne Ausschluß. ❤
❤ ich stimme zu ❤
Thank you Ilan Peppe, you are a good human being.
Thanks Professor Pappe. I like how you described the Z!on!st project as a building that represents a “Monument of Injustice” against the Palestinians.
From Germany, Prof.Pappe is one of my heros. Such a great "Humanist"
I thank all the organizers, especially Professor Ilan Pappe, who was subjected to interrogation at Detroit Airport and was taken for two hours for interrogation, and his phone was also taken. Here is what he himself wrote about the questions asked of him: Am I a Hamas supporter? Do I consider Israeli actions in Gaza genocide? What is the solution to the "conflict" (seriously that's what they asked!) Did some cases I sent to my books, did some cases I answered laconic yes or no... (I was pretty exhausted after an 8 hour flight, but that's part of the point). They had a long phone conversation with someone, the Israelis? ,, After copying everything onto my phone, he let me in. I know many of you have had a much worse experience, but after France and Germany refused entry to the President of the University of Glasgow because he was Palestinian... only God knows what will happen next.
Thank you professor, for your uprightness, courage and commitment you showed consistently to uncover the lies and propagand waged against palestine genocide which could serve as an exemplar to those elites and media who do not dare to speak the truth. Dr.Abdella
When Ilan Pappé speaks about Israeli - Palestinian history of conflict, you can be assured the untarnished "TRUTH⚖️🇵🇸📚📖⏳," a historical truth that comes from Professor Pappé mouth as he speaks. Thank you very much, Sir.
May God bless and keep you always lots of Love from AUSTRALIA
Thank you for this post. May the truth spread & enlighten the minds of people the world over, on the plight of the Palestinians and the injustices committed to them. Free Palestine 🕊️🍉
Ilan Pappe' is a lighthouse in the dark! Thank you! 👍
Excellent, Prof Pappé.
Thank you for your service Prof Pappe
Thanks to people likeMr Pappe, Norman Finkelstein, Miko Peled and those amazing rabbis, Naturei Carta e a few others, I am still alive, for I wanted to die, out of deep horror and utter shame for what is being doing in the jews name.
Ilan Pappe❤️
Love professor Pappé he's a fountain of knowledge!
He is amazing!
Professor pape, love because of your humanity.
Lord may Your light of love overcome the darkness of evil. Lord I claim Your promise in Psalm 71:20 for all the oppressed Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank " You have shown me much misery and hardship but You will give me life again. You will raise me up again from the depths of the earth" Amen ✝️
I’ve been thinking about Moses, and his rage when he came down from the mount to find the Israelites worshipping a golden calf.
The ecofeminist in me was always uneasy about this story: what kind of God is jealous of animals? What kind of God wants to hoard all the sacredness of the Earth for himself?
But there is a less literal way of understanding this story. It is about false idols. About the human tendency to worship the profane and shiny, to look to the small and material rather than the large and transcendent.
What I want to say to you tonight at this revolutionary and historic Seder in the Streets is that too many of our people are worshipping a false idol once again. They are enraptured by it. Drunk on it. Profaned by it.
That false idol is called Zionism.
It is a false idol that takes our most profound biblical stories of justice and emancipation from slavery - the story of Passover itself - and turns them into brutalist weapons of colonial land theft, roadmaps for ethnic cleansing and genocide.
It is a false idol that has taken the transcendent idea of the promised land - a metaphor for human liberation that has traveled across multiple faiths to every corner of this globe - and dared to turn it into a deed of sale for a militaristic ethnostate.
Political Zionism’s version of liberation is itself profane. From the start, it required the mass expulsion of Palestinians from their homes and ancestral lands in the Nakba.
From the start it has been at war with dreams of liberation. At a Seder it is worth remembering that this includes the dreams of liberation and self-determination of the Egyptian people. This false idol of Zionism equates Israeli safety with Egyptian dictatorship and client states.
From the start it has produced an ugly kind of freedom that saw Palestinian children not as human beings but as demographic threats - much as the pharaoh in the Book of Exodus feared the growing population of Israelites, and thus ordered the death of their sons.
Zionism has brought us to our present moment of cataclysm and it is time that we said clearly: it has always been leading us here.
It is a false idol that has led far too many of our own people down a deeply immoral path that now has them justifying the shredding of core commandments: thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not covet.
It is a false idol that equates Jewish freedom with cluster bombs that kill and maim Palestinian children.
Zionism is a false idol that has betrayed every Jewish value, including the value we place on questioning - a practice embedded in the Seder with its four questions asked by the youngest child.
Including the love we have as a people for text and for education.
Today, this false idol justifies the bombing of every university in Gaza; the destruction of countless schools, of archives, of printing presses; the killing of hundreds of academics, of journalists, of poets - this is what Palestinians call scholasticide, the killing of the means of education.
Meanwhile, in this city, the universities call in the NYPD and barricade themselves against the grave threat posed by their own students daring to ask them basic questions, such as: how can you claim to believe in anything at all, least of all us, while you enable, invest in and collaborate with this genocide?
The false idol of Zionism has been allowed to grow unchecked for far too long.
So tonight we say: it ends here.
Our Judaism cannot be contained by an ethnostate, for our Judaism is internationalist by nature.
Our Judaism cannot be protected by the rampaging military of that state, for all that military does is sow sorrow and reap hatred - including against us as Jews.
Our Judaism is not threatened by people raising their voices in solidarity with Palestine across lines of race, ethnicity, physical ability, gender identity and generations.
Our Judaism is one of those voices and knows that in that chorus lies both our safety and our collective liberation.
Our Judaism is the Judaism of the Passover Seder: the gathering in ceremony to share food and wine with loved ones and strangers alike, the ritual that is inherently portable, light enough to carry on our backs, in need of nothing but each other: no walls, no temple, no rabbi, a role for everyone, even - especially - the smallest child. The Seder is a diaspora technology if ever there was one, made for collective grieving, contemplation, questioning, remembering and reviving the revolutionary spirt.
So look around. This, here, is our Judaism. As waters rise and forests burn and nothing is certain, we pray at the altar of solidarity and mutual aid, no matter the cost.
We don’t need or want the false idol of Zionism. We want freedom from the project that commits genocide in our name. Freedom from an ideology that has no plan for peace other than deals with murderous theocratic petrostates next door, while selling the technologies of robo-assassinations to the world.
We seek to liberate Judaism from an ethnostate that wants Jews to be perennially afraid, that wants our children to be afraid, that wants us to believe the world is against us so that we go running to its fortress and beneath its iron dome, or at least keep the weapons and donations flowing.
That is the false idol.
And it’s not just Netanyahu, it’s the world he made and that made him - it’s Zionism.
What are we? We, in these streets for months and months, are the exodus. The exodus from Zionism.
And to the Chuck Schumers of this world, we do not say: “Let our people go.”
We say: “We have already gone. And your kids? They’re with us now.”
NAOMI KLEIN
I rarely read comments this long but couldn't stop reading because it was truth so beautifully stated - and at the end, I wasn't surprised why 😊 Thanks for posting!
I have as yet not read a more powerful words as those written here
Many thanks Naomi Klein
I have rarely read such a rich and fair comment on TH-cam. dear Naomi, as a Muslim from France I would like to thank you for sharing your thoughts, God bless you. I share your point of view on false idols.
Our religions are designed to make us more human and empathetic towards others. unfortunately some use it to take power.
Our so-called civilized societies are only consumer societies, creating needs that we have no need of. takes us away from our true nature
The house is burning and we look away.
I dream of a world where all false idols will have disappeared, and where we will all take care of our Mother Earth together.
A beautiful soul. Thank you
What an amazing human being even though he is a Jew and not a Zionist. That’s the difference.
Wonderful support from the audience.
Free Palestine
Thank you so much for this❤
Amazing
ILAN PAPPE...A MITH...THANK U FOR YOUR MORAL INTEGRITY
great title for the video
God bless Ilhan Pappe.
“The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people but the silence over that by the good prople."
Dr. Martin Luther King
"Even if you have the best cabin in Titanic, you will drown" - best line. It is at the level of great quotation, I am going to adopt it. Thank you for such a fabulous discussion!
The Maiden Voyage of the Titanic has its own wicked story.
The Infuential Men at the time...who Was against The "Federal Bank" coming into United States ( and their opinion, or Vote was Important ), were invited on the Maiden Voyage of this Cruise Ship.
You know the rest of the Story.
It was an inside Job.
Ilan is a treasure
God bless you
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Thank you
Context is EVERYTHING
Truth will set you free but it does not grant power. Power is gotten through violence and deceit.
A most amazing discussion of Israel and
Palestine, by an extraordinary historian
and human being, Dr. Ilan Pappe.
I would like for all Americans to hear
what he has said hear today, it would give
us all an accurate picture of what has
gone on since before 1948, and lead us
to where we are today! Only through
open dialogue can we begin to heal the
wounds that have resulted from this
settler-colonial project, known as the
State of Israel. The world cannot
continue to ignore the Palestinian people
and their history, as has largely been the
case until now. The result has been all
the chaos, suffering, death and
destruction that is ongoing and
continuing to play out on the ground
for the Palestinian people.
I hope this discussion by Dr. Pappe gets
a broad audience in the U.S. and the West.
However, that is more wishful thinking
than reality. The propaganda that Israel
and its Allie’s in the U.S. and West
overwhelm us with about the Palestine
conflict is reprehensible, and not at all
backed by the facts that exist. The money
and power of the Israel lobby and its
supporters wield in the U.S. and the
West in general, gives them far greater
clout and power over policy decisions,
than they should reasonably be able to
exercise. It is most unsettling to realize
the stranglehold they have in the U.S.,
and how that is leveraged to directly
influence U.S. policies in the Middle
East. No outside power should have
the ability to dictate what the U.S.
does , to the extent that Israel clearly
does. While these policies may well
serve Israel’s interests , they do little
to serve the interests of the United
States, or in any way improve our
national security interests! No
foreign power should have the ability
to manipulate U.S. policies, the way
Israel clearly does.
God bless Dr. Pappe for having the courage
to express the views and keen insights
he provided to us, in this extended
discussion! We should all be this
knowledgeable about this critically
important subject matter, and its
impact on the civilian population of
Palestine. It is only by opening a
dialogue on this subject, that the
long and arduous process of healing
can begin. It is time to end the
killing, suffering and hardships, that
this Western backed colonial-
settler project has set in motion, for
far too long. Expansion of this
conflict into a wider regional war, is
not something that the world can
afford the consequences of!
Long live international Law!!
I don't recognise isrl as a legal stayt. How can it be legal on stolen land. And as an occupier conjured up by foreign greedy warmongers is just not legal.
But UN and all countries recognized in 47.
This is breathtaking in its honesty given all the bull going around.
Does anyone know if Prof. Paape will be speaking elsewhere?
excellent talk, the many reminders about the "fantastic food" and alcohol waiting was in poor taste as Palestinian children are starving to death
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I hope ever he said becomes reality
Hi Dearborn Blog,
What happened to the video of the third and last lecture by Professor Pappe, the one held in Frendale (I think)? Prof. Pappe addressed some new points not mentioned in his first two, particularly those regarding peace and "The Peace Preocess" which the Israeli governments both Labour and Likud were so keen on. Please restore that video, it is a very important part in the trio. وشكرا Thank you.
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"We must build dikes of courage to hold back the flood of fear."
Martin Luther King,
The main impediment to solving this Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not Israel per se but it's benefactor, the USA. Americans blame the Chinese for making Fentanyl and exporting it to their country for thousands of overdose deaths instead of blaming their own citizens for this tragedy. Similarly, Americans blame Colombians for the raging cocaine addiction and drug gang problems in their country and not its own citizens for developing drug addiction. Hence, if you apply the same logic to the Israeli-Palestinian problem, it is the unconditional support and unlimited supply of arms and ammunition to Israel by the USA which is the main factor in this matter. Israel will not change its genocidal policy from here to eternity unless and until the US changes its immoral and unethical stance over the issue. Hence, all efforts must be directed towards converting the US elite establishment first and foremost!
If you don’t want to hear any BS about what Zionism has done to Palestinians all you need to listen to or read is Ilan Pappe.
There few Cristian not a lot anymore
because they flee to US or UK after the Nakba. Lebanon still have 40% population of Christians and a lot of them are Palestinian Christians.
About 1,200, of whom 3 percent have been killed since October 7, 2024.
See recent TRT article entitled 'Israel wiped out 3% of Gaza's Christians since October 7 - Palestine'
Israel has killed three percent of Gaza's Christian population since the start of its invasion in October last year, the Palestinian state minister for foreign affairs and expatriates has said.
Varsen Aghabekian Shahin released the figures on Tuesday in Ramallah during her meeting with a delegation from Churches for Middle East Peace (CMEP), including its executive director, Reverend Mae Eli se Cannon.
"The Israeli war has resulted in the death of 3 percent of Gaza's Christians and the destruction of churches amid restrictions (on Christians) in the West Bank," Shahin told the gathering, according to a Foreign Ministry statement.
According to the state news agency WAFA, there are around 1,200 Christians in Gaza, home to around 2.4 million population.
At least three churches have been destroyed in Israeli attacks in Gaza since last October 7, Gaza's government media office estimated.
I'm often surprised at how often I hear idealistic mumbling about truth winning out in the end. The very definition of this world being a "fallen world," is that truth usually loses.
But, let us say for the sake of argument, that truth does actually win, but only in the end. The problem is that we do not live in the "end," we live in the here and now. By the time the "end" rolls around, all kinds of people have lost out to untruth. Tell little people trying to buy groceries that the Rockefellers, the Vanderbilts, the Carnegies, and the J.P. Morgan's will lose out "in the end." Well, they're still holding the gold a century later, and now have also become globalists intent on expanding their hold on gold and their grip on power to a global scale.
The Marxist message is: take it from them by force.
The Christian message is: a day of reckoning is coming, but it is at "the end," something called a Day of Judgment. Therefore, leave the rat race for mammon to God, He'll sort it out. But only in the end.
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We're I were an Israeli I would not yield one inch of whatever land I controlled. If I were a Palestinian I would not settle for anything less than the whole of Mandate Palestine. Solution ????? The end of one or the other ????
Lol. As tribalism isn't the last bastion of logic and diplomacy, hopefully better minds will prevail.
Unbelievable
Who is going to be responsible for the violent advocacy that you are promoting?
You?
I beg to disagree. Truth is on the side of the peacemakers, not the sidetakers.
No justice no peace.
@@tethergobrrr First peace, then justice is the only way. Otherwise the squabbling about who gets their own idea of justice will never end. First stop killing.
@@oaim50 international law disagrees with you. The oppressed has the right to use force, the oppressor doesn’t.
@@oaim50 All I want is to see is international law followed to the letter and extent of it. No impunity. No interference. No nefarious ‘peace process’.
Exactly the opposite, as the "Palestinians" did not exist prior to their invention in 1964. During the British Mandate period (1920-1948), it was the Jews who adopted the name Palestinian, while the Arabs firmly rejected it because they considered it to be repulsively Jewish. From 1948 to 1964 was a sixteen year period during which the Arabs complained bitterly about being refugees, but never once referred to themselves as "Palestinians." Lying comes all to easy to Arabs.
It's very simple
European jews wanted to colonize palestina.
According to zionist historian Benny Morris, zionists chose to accept the 1937 partition plan, so they could eventually takeover all of Palestine
Your comment reflects how racist and bigoted you are. Typical definition of Zionism
Saying a nation state entity.called palestine didnt exist is not a statement that people were not living there.
It is really tiresome hearing this over and over again. You are not even lying, you are just repeating a nonsensical argument without thinking.
Instead of "Palestinian" or "Arab" use "the people living on the land" and instead of "Jews" use "the people moving onto the land and displacing the ones who lived there". The names and complicated histories are a distraction. When people have been living on a land for generations and another ethnically-distinct group of people arrive and displace them from their homes, that is the crime of ethnic cleansing. Simple as that.
If the people who were made into refugees did not have a strong common national identity beforehand (and that is probably not even true, even if they didn't all use the same name; nationalism was taking off everywhere and was certainly being encouraged by Britain), the trauma of being driven from their homes and not being allowed to return would certainly be enough to forge one.
It is a very strange double standard that you grant a group of European Jews from various nations the privilege of coming together and creating an entirely new state with a name that had not been used for a state for many centuries and then call a group of indigenous Arab refugees liars for adopting a recently used regional name of their home as their own national identity. It doesn't matter when they adopted the name, or whether they liked it initially or not. They get to pick.
If they called themselves post-Ottomanians, theyd exist. Just the talking points of historical sticklers, and not meaningless rhetoric, i swear. @@jamescampbell8482
Bring benny morris historian, more serious and less supporter
It's very simple
European jews wanted to colonize palestina.
According to zionist historian Benny Morris, zionists chose to accept the 1937 partition plan, so they could eventually takeover all of Palestine
Good joke….no, bad joke
God bless you.
Mr Pappe you move with the angels thank you for you truthfulness.🙏
Ilan Pappe is a highly discredited historian. Listen to what Benny Morris has to say about him.
Let us not forget that the isrealies and US don't want to lose their “weapons testing grounds”.
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Didn't David just sling one Stone?
1948 Arab nations united military forces wants to emilinate Israel but they failed , hence they received their cause including Israel administrated more portion of land.
Thank you Mr Pappe