imo its not pay2win if they are just letting whales pay to progress to a certain point. Sounds like basically you can just pay to skip to entry level endgame, but beyond that you have to earn it. I'm actually OK with that. Let dumbass whales fund the game on pointless upgrades.
Yes it's going to be pay to win. Pay to win doesn't just mean "you can only get things by spending money" but also the speed at which you get it. Any advantage at all that is given to the player who spends money is instantly pay to win. The only way they can sidestep all of his is by normalizing stuff in PVP and making it skill based entirely. If the only power you get is for PvE content then it's not pay to win it's pay to finish content faster.
This looks like a good game. I'm willing to buy it for $50. "It's free, but pay to win, and has a battle pass and early access" I am no longer interested and I'll spend my money elsewhere. I don't understand why MMORPGs all decided to use terrible monetization. Right now I'm an MMO player without an MMO and I had high hopes for this.
Sounds fair from what I've heard so far. People these days expect everything for free. If the game is satisfying and feels good, then I don't mind spending a little bit of my money on it, the same way I would buy a Netflix subscription. As long as it's not a situation where people can spend some real money and then destroy everyone else in pvp, then I'm fine with it
How important is traits actualy in game(and they are very important in pvp?) and how can i obtain items for traits? Just with content or in market with cash? I mean how long i have to grind to obtain lvl 3 traits totally f2p compared with spending cash the diference is huge or totally fine? Sorry about so many questionss
I love how he says "its not completely pay to win". As in "he didnt completely murder the guy. He only pushed him off of the cliff. Gravity and physics did the murder". This game is pay to win. Dont lie
Yeah it is pay to win. If they want money so badly, just make it pay to play. Works with Warcraft. Im not playing p2w games, sad bcs otherwise i would try that for sure.
i mean same concept you can buy wow tokens and sell them for gold on the auction house which can then fund you to buy gear, enchants, etc but all top tier gear is still locked behind gameplay, literally same thing.
@@lostolympian_ eh depends, I’ve already gotten almost full conquest and hit 2k rating on pub rated pvp, as well as 613 lvl PvE, it 100% depends on the players skill level when it comes to end game content and gear. Enchants and sockets and craftable gear will always be available for gold or real money through the auction house, but for example you could buy full Algari competitors gear for idk 40-60 bucks converted into gold, but as soon as the season started, I grinded a full set of pvp gear in 4-5 hours.
just give me a monthly sub. id rather pay more and know im on the same playing feild as every one else. also playing these games makes me feel bad for the poor whales.
Mobile game with extra steps. Will die in less than 6 months... Sad...I just dont understand... L2 has so many players on Private servers...why dont they just do a better L2 than a shitty mobile game?
The problem with these systems is that if you would like a similar gameplay experience to World of Warcraft of Final Fantasy XIV, you will have to spend more than 60$ plus 15$ every month. In fact, its closer to a couple thousand and, even then, RNG might make you spend more. This makes me ask . Is the gameplay worth this much? From what i've seen, it's got your run of the mill Lost Ark /Black desert item progression , with a quite basic 2 weapon combat system that can be customized to some extent. It's worth about 40$ plus 10$/month but they are asking way more than 20 times to get a decent experience.
I'm excited for it but I don't think any game will grab me like ESO. The story is what grabbed me to begin with, then it was guilds, dungeons and trials! I feel like only new Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones MMOs would really grab me if they had great story content
@TheTankClub Eso just needs a Banger dlc or free content update as the last two have been pretty boring except strangely. I seem to have been enjoying the scribing storyline as is full of interesting information.
Paying for a game is completely fine, nothing is free. Everyone who works knows that. However, it should be the case that the monthly expenses do not exceed those of a paid model.
So a free to play game with an optional pay to play version that goes up to a 100 euros. Cosmetic shop. Most likely some sort of way to gain power through that shop. A season pass. Doesn't sound like free to play. I'll take a sub fee over all of this non sense any day.
Every MMO is p2w in one aspect or another ESO has crown crates which can be gifted for gold to buy from the in-game markets wwo have wwo tokens etc it's just if it gets worse as the game grows is my only concern
Yeah I mean the game is free to play and no sub so they need to generate money somehow. The only major concerned would be with that Blessing of Solisium being added in the future
@@TheTankClub Riot games such as Valorant and League of Legend is free 2 play as well no sub and cant gain power through real money. The problem is the normalization of MMO games to be P2W. Most of old school MMOs are free to play as well and not P2W initially until few years later.
@pkppjjkk521 The items you get from crown crates on ESO aren't P2W at all, and neither is anything in the crown store. I don't consider spending money to increase your bank slot size or speed up your mount training P2W. Maximum bank space is essentially an important necessity in the game, because of how fast you run out of space to store things. A fully trained mount is 60 Speed, 60 Stamina, and 60 Capacity. You can only train your mount once per day, so it takes 6 months to max out your mount. I can only see there being an advantage as far as mount speed and stamina goes if someone is doing PvP in a Cyrodiil campaign.
What makes mmo's funding different from FPS games where cosmetic items and a battlepass (with more cosmetic items) are enough to fund? Y'all just drinking the koolaid at this point
Yes, you can buy gear with real money and power up with the season pass. It’s NCsoft, and they don’t have a good history. Don’t get me wrong, the game can be fun, but after 3 months, only the whales will stay, and it will be much worse. So enjoy the first 3 months and then move to another game.
I agree. And us console players are forced to play against PC players. And since PC doesn't diligently stop not farming in the same way that console does, we will all be failures and worthless to our friends, no matter how hard we try.
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I would rather pay a 25$ a month sub for a mmo to be fair and competitive, f*ck p2w.
imo its not pay2win if they are just letting whales pay to progress to a certain point. Sounds like basically you can just pay to skip to entry level endgame, but beyond that you have to earn it. I'm actually OK with that. Let dumbass whales fund the game on pointless upgrades.
Yes it's going to be pay to win. Pay to win doesn't just mean "you can only get things by spending money" but also the speed at which you get it. Any advantage at all that is given to the player who spends money is instantly pay to win. The only way they can sidestep all of his is by normalizing stuff in PVP and making it skill based entirely. If the only power you get is for PvE content then it's not pay to win it's pay to finish content faster.
not charging pc to buy game but ps5 has to is enough proof
This looks like a good game. I'm willing to buy it for $50.
"It's free, but pay to win, and has a battle pass and early access"
I am no longer interested and I'll spend my money elsewhere.
I don't understand why MMORPGs all decided to use terrible monetization. Right now I'm an MMO player without an MMO and I had high hopes for this.
Sounds fair from what I've heard so far. People these days expect everything for free. If the game is satisfying and feels good, then I don't mind spending a little bit of my money on it, the same way I would buy a Netflix subscription. As long as it's not a situation where people can spend some real money and then destroy everyone else in pvp, then I'm fine with it
How important is traits actualy in game(and they are very important in pvp?) and how can i obtain items for traits? Just with content or in market with cash? I mean how long i have to grind to obtain lvl 3 traits totally f2p compared with spending cash the diference is huge or totally fine? Sorry about so many questionss
trait is basically the essence of the game and its when the p2w comes in
Yep no wonder i never heard of this game 🤭😂😭
I love how he says "its not completely pay to win". As in "he didnt completely murder the guy. He only pushed him off of the cliff. Gravity and physics did the murder". This game is pay to win. Dont lie
Yeah it is pay to win. If they want money so badly, just make it pay to play. Works with Warcraft. Im not playing p2w games, sad bcs otherwise i would try that for sure.
WoW is pay to win btw
i mean same concept you can buy wow tokens and sell them for gold on the auction house which can then fund you to buy gear, enchants, etc but all top tier gear is still locked behind gameplay, literally same thing.
@@florist5008 this is true but in wow its much more op and harder to get true endgame gear in wow.
@@lostolympian_ eh depends, I’ve already gotten almost full conquest and hit 2k rating on pub rated pvp, as well as 613 lvl PvE, it 100% depends on the players skill level when it comes to end game content and gear. Enchants and sockets and craftable gear will always be available for gold or real money through the auction house, but for example you could buy full Algari competitors gear for idk 40-60 bucks converted into gold, but as soon as the season started, I grinded a full set of pvp gear in 4-5 hours.
@@lostolympian_ WOW isn't pay 2 win 😂
its NCSOFT it will be pay to win
RMT yes ofcourse
just give me a monthly sub. id rather pay more and know im on the same playing feild as every one else. also playing these games makes me feel bad for the poor whales.
Obviously it is
Mobile game with extra steps. Will die in less than 6 months... Sad...I just dont understand... L2 has so many players on Private servers...why dont they just do a better L2 than a shitty mobile game?
The problem with these systems is that if you would like a similar gameplay experience to World of Warcraft of Final Fantasy XIV, you will have to spend more than 60$ plus 15$ every month. In fact, its closer to a couple thousand and, even then, RNG might make you spend more. This makes me ask . Is the gameplay worth this much? From what i've seen, it's got your run of the mill Lost Ark /Black desert item progression , with a quite basic 2 weapon combat system that can be customized to some extent. It's worth about 40$ plus 10$/month but they are asking way more than 20 times to get a decent experience.
Im so ready for this game and hope it pulls me in like Eso has .
I'm excited for it but I don't think any game will grab me like ESO.
The story is what grabbed me to begin with, then it was guilds, dungeons and trials!
I feel like only new Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones MMOs would really grab me if they had great story content
@TheTankClub Eso just needs a Banger dlc or free content update as the last two have been pretty boring except strangely. I seem to have been enjoying the scribing storyline as is full of interesting information.
Paying for a game is completely fine, nothing is free. Everyone who works knows that. However, it should be the case that the monthly expenses do not exceed those of a paid model.
So a free to play game with an optional pay to play version that goes up to a 100 euros. Cosmetic shop. Most likely some sort of way to gain power through that shop. A season pass.
Doesn't sound like free to play. I'll take a sub fee over all of this non sense any day.
bro... if you want to be competitive in end game you have to literally spend thousands of dollars.
how so?
makers of new world... enough said. Trash game, better make another one with the same cash grab bullshit
Every MMO is p2w in one aspect or another ESO has crown crates which can be gifted for gold to buy from the in-game markets wwo have wwo tokens etc it's just if it gets worse as the game grows is my only concern
Yeah I mean the game is free to play and no sub so they need to generate money somehow. The only major concerned would be with that Blessing of Solisium being added in the future
@@TheTankClub Riot games such as Valorant and League of Legend is free 2 play as well no sub and cant gain power through real money. The problem is the normalization of MMO games to be P2W. Most of old school MMOs are free to play as well and not P2W initially until few years later.
@pkppjjkk521 The items you get from crown crates on ESO aren't P2W at all, and neither is anything in the crown store. I don't consider spending money to increase your bank slot size or speed up your mount training P2W. Maximum bank space is essentially an important necessity in the game, because of how fast you run out of space to store things. A fully trained mount is 60 Speed, 60 Stamina, and 60 Capacity. You can only train your mount once per day, so it takes 6 months to max out your mount. I can only see there being an advantage as far as mount speed and stamina goes if someone is doing PvP in a Cyrodiil campaign.
@@D20_DownToZero those arent even mmos lol
@@D20_DownToZero You're so dishonest you have to compare the game to other genres.
What makes mmo's funding different from FPS games where cosmetic items and a battlepass (with more cosmetic items) are enough to fund?
Y'all just drinking the koolaid at this point
Yes, you can buy gear with real money and power up with the season pass. It’s NCsoft, and they don’t have a good history.
Don’t get me wrong, the game can be fun, but after 3 months, only the whales will stay, and it will be much worse. So enjoy the first 3 months and then move to another game.
Amen.
good advice actually
Idc if they p2w, just let me have fun, fix shit and keep me busy and ill throw my money at you
its p2w no need to play this game..they literally showcase a bunch of god tier weapon with powerfull skill and stat but only available on cash shop
I agree. And us console players are forced to play against PC players. And since PC doesn't diligently stop not farming in the same way that console does, we will all be failures and worthless to our friends, no matter how hard we try.
As of the new announcements.. no, it doesn't seem like it.