Pilgrim Hats Did Not Have Buckles (and they weren't Pilgrims)
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- Happy thanksgiving to my American viewers! A time to draw the pilgrim fathers, talk about the Mayflower and smallpox, and dress in black and white and eat too much turkey. Oh! And your hat's historically inaccurate. But you already knew that, right?
You did?
Well, good.
Now let's take a little dive in and see what exactly is wrong with those buckle pilgrim hats everyone wears, and what you could wear instead to look more 17th century appropriate!
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"A Cavalier at His Dressing Table", The gloriously talented Adriaen Pietersz van de Venne, 1631
"Soldiers Gambling with Dice", Pieter Quast
"Guardroom Scene with Deliverance of St Peter", c.1645-7, David Teniers the Younger
"The Shooting Company of Captain Frans Banning Cocq and Willem van Ruytenburch", 1642, Master and mighty painting hero Rembrandt van Rijn
"Peasants Playing Music in a Tavern", Benjamin Cuyp
Two Thanksgiving magazine covers by painter supreme and gay icon J. C. Leyendecker
"Richard 1st Viscount Wenman", 1633, English School
"Portrait of a Married Couple", 1634, Pieter Codde
"Two Soldiers and a Serving Woman with a Trumpeter", c.1650s, The tragically overlooked Pieter de Hooch
"Portrait of a Gentleman", c.1621, Gilbert Jackson
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For a split second instead of "trawling museum and art galleries" I heard "trolling museum and art galleries"... Cue mental picture of Jimmy prank calling the Smithsonian
"Yes this is I. P. Freely"
@@TheWelshViking "Hello... This is little Jimmy. Where are your hat buckles?"
Me too!
JesusbloodyChrist, why?
He’s using real words.
Party city owes a great deal to to the victorians. I just hope the victorians never find out. They take debt very seriously.
Excellent
(Cue David Attenborough style narrator)And here....we have the intrepid field archaeologist, quietly moving forward, towards the wary herd of wild hat buckles.....moving carefully so as not to startle his quarry, the rarest of the rare......almost mythical creatures............only to have the herd stampeded by a group of Victorian Viking horned helmets, on the rampage.....those Victorian’s ruin everything!.....it’s on the internet, so it MUST be true, right? 😝
I see you posses a most excellent sense of humour, similar to the one I own. Nice to see others with a similar style floating through the wilds of the Internet. ...and yes for most of your comment, it was David Attenborough narrating. National treasure, that man, no matter where you hale from :)
Have a good one. I hope you are well, and your sense of humour buoys you along as much as mine helps keep my canoe in an upright position :)
The Pilgrim Hall Museum actually had the inaccurate costume displayed on purpose! From the placard:
"By the mid-19th century, the Pilgrims were part of America's national mythology. It was important that they be easily recognizable as symbols of the colonial past. Their appearance became stereotypical. They were shown wearing 'pious' stark haircuts and dark colored clothing with large white collars. Symbolic additions, such as huge buckles (indicating outmoded fashion), blunderbusses (technological backwardness) and spinning wheels (quaint self-sufficiency) enhanced the impression. Everyone 'knew they were Pilgrims.'"
The exhibit also showed more accurate costumes as a comparison (information courtesy of my sister, who's a huge Mayflower nerd)
Glad to hear this!
When I went to the Pilgrim Hall Museum last year they no longer had that representation of a Separatist “Pilgrim”.except in a stained glass work that can’t easily be changed. Also, the Mayflower Society has a document which they call “How to dress like a pilgrim” which states that that type of representation is false. They talk about tall hats, but no buckles. They suggest using the “Tudor Tailor” as an additional guideline.
They do indeed!
Interesting, the buckle hat is very much still in evidence on a few of the Pilgrim Hall's resources. Must have had a few complaints!
need to get up there, since I recently discovered I'm related to John Alden.
the english subtitle does say "trolled the art museums" 😆
They were in my text books as a child.
aaaaa good!
'Victorian Madman' is my job description. How dare you sir.
In my defence, I thought you were an 'Edwardian Madman'
@@TheWelshViking *Nods very slowly without breaking eye contact*
Victorians DO ruin everything, especially in archaeology!! And what's more frustrating is that people don't question their theories, they just regurgitate them in textbooks and academic papers without considering whether they have any actual research behind them
Deeply frustrates me to see people regurgitating outmoded and downright disproven Victorian theories. Especially on more serious issues, but even on things like this is rankles!
In a lot of stuff they were right, so don't ruin Victorians out of laziness
In highschool we still learnt about religions via 19th century lens. Now I study religions and every time I remember it, my blood is boiling.
The Victorian era looked great in photos but, to sum up the intellectual spirit of the period in one sentence, I quote your average Victorian doctor: "You have ghosts in your blood. You should do cocaine about it."
@@2adamast I think the problem with Victorians is that they were the first era really, really prolific in their output of written word, and still not _that_ long ago; so to every thing they were right about, there's a whole lot they weren't, and it all remains in printed form and still readily available in libraries.
„I don’t horse that much“ is probably the most quotable thing I have ever heard.
tbh every time someone uses a noun as a verb is an instance of Peak Comedy
Same honestly
Most people learn history from tv and movies. Everyone says oh it’s entertainment they should not be held to a standard. And then you wonder why everyone thinks every corset was an S-curve but with molded cups and no one wore anything beneath them.
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Today, me & my sister discussed how we know the medical wisdom that one should not eat too much at once after starvation _from fiction,_ and how we humans are still hardwired to learn through storytelling.
So, yeah, we're hardwired to learn from storytelling, and remember things better if there's a story attached. So of course people learn history from TV and films.
When people ask me about Pilgrims, I tell them I've never been to the Holy Land
You could do Santiago de Compostela instead.
Or Rome
Exposing them hat lies like a boss! Poor beavers, though. There always seems to be some embarrassing story about human vanity behind every animal extinction.
That's probably why beavers were introduced into Argentina too and now are a plague
I grew up in Massachusetts and I went to Plymouth often and interestingly there I don't remember them wearing the buckles on their hats. My Bay Stater brain squealed in momentary outrage at the Jamestown flub - thank you for the quick correction.
Hey, Editing Jimmy's got your back!
They don't ever wear them. I've never seen an actual costumed interpreter in one, but they seem to creep into the mannequin displays in a few places.
A topic I have not thought about since about the age of 8. I really wish we would stop teaching fake history to our kids. Thanks for the nice light topic!
all these tid bits of lies that have been carried for decades were only able to perpetuate in a pre internet world. We didnt stop teaching kids fake history because most didnt know it was fake. With the advent of the internet you will see this sort of thing disappear in a few generations.
Look at how long some (in retrospective) obviously ineffective eastern martial arts had survived before we had the technology to broadcast MMA to the masses. But in five years or so after we started, the cultural perception of martial arts went from this cool and mysterious secretly guarded knowledge worthy of admiring (Think karate kid, or the boom in kung fu movies, or steven seagals antics) to publicly laughing at mcdojos.
Once the last pre-internet boomer kicks their air addiction, It will truly be the beginning of a new era.
@@habibishapur I think that you're being overly optimistic about things. These things have been taught for decades, if not longer, because no on one wants to bother with making significant changes to text books becasue the schools and publishers don't care enough about something that trivial. Now a days, they'd much rather focus on completely rewritiing history to satisfy agendas and soothe hurt feelings.
When I was 13, my family and I went to Plymouth Plantation. Of the things that stand out about that trip I will share 2.
The first was my mother and her friend were both wearing those stupid raccoon fur coats that were popular in the 80’s. The gentleman who was reenacting the town constabulary stopped them both and made a comment about their husbands traditions no with the natives. My mother was so sure she was going to end up in the stocks.
The second was going into an building with the family where there was a demonstration of period cooking techniques. The lady cooking asked one of the men standing in the back to gather wood for her. She addressed him as “ the tall SIR in the back, with the eyes I can see.” This was to indicate he was wearing glasses. Even at 13 i bristled at the comment. Afterwards I stayed back to ask some cooking techniques and to quietly inform her that glasses have existed since the late 13th century and in 1620 they were common enough for people to know what they were but the correct term for them was spectacles. Then my mother hurried me out and told me to stop correcting the nice reenactors, it wasn’t their fault they made mistakes no one taught them better.
"their husbands traditions no with the natives"
What does that mean?
@@johannageisel5390 dang autocorrect. It was supposed to say trading with the natives
@@herminadepagan3407 Ah, that makes sense.
Now I have an image in my head of a guy with a hat that looks like a mushroom because he has tighten a band around the base to make it fit his head. 😂 🧁
Your passion for good research and logic in our history brings me joy.
"How did this take root in the American psyche?"
Easy. Cuz Americans don't actually learn history. Source: am American. Learnt all my history after leaving school on my own.
Honestly as a Dutch person, same. They love pretending this country got rich on honest trade here.
GenX. Can confirm, my HS indoctrination taught History poorly at best or with a love affair for Marxist Leninism at worst.
Compared to Europe there really no history in the US. Of course the natives were doing stuff like making things and killing each other. But the Native Americans were strictly an organic based, stone age subsistence existence, so everything about them vanished back into the earth. If you're lucky you'll find an stone axe-head but that's very rare. When you boil down the US high school history course to the essentials it doesn't take very long to breeze through it.
@@LuvBorderCollies This is utterly ignoring the pre-Colombian material history we have, that even shows evidence of huge trade networks. Southwestern Pueblo villages, Pacific Northwest's volume of brilliant carvings, the grave mounds in the Mississippi region. Those haven't disappeared into the earth. This statement also ignores oral history, which is something that anthropologists (and linguists) are working hard to record to both help preserve languages we've debased through colonialism and the stories that can tell of history from longer back than you'd ever expect (My favorite example being one from Australia, where Aboriginal stories referenced megafauna that colonists scoffed at....and now we've actually found fossils of those megafauna).
It's not for lack of materials, it's a curriculum that's heavily biased towards America's white history, that still teaches about manifest destiny and the american dream while very often skimming over the people that suffered as a result of that. I benefitted from a school that required us to actually study our state's indigenous history, but not everyone got that.
@@LuvBorderCollies That’s racist. You should feel bad about being a racist.
As for the origin of the buckle myth, I notice a lot of portraits of James I show jeweled hatbands with a sort of enlarged central point from which feathers spring, one of which is conspicuously plain other than a golden square in which is set a socking great square diamond. Perhaps your 1940s fellow consulted an old portrait or engraving of one and, through the grime of centuries, thought he spied a buckle.
Buckles and beavers and cockades, oh my! I've learned so much in the last couple videos about incorrect headwear (I could see the Victorians putting buckles and horns on the same hat "Just because it's cool"). We've only just touched on the history of the fur trade in Canada during my kiddo's home schooling sessions, but the decimation of so many species for the sake of fashion is crazy. It makes sense that the pilgrims, being practical people, wouldn't use extra decorations. That metal would have been better used for some other purpose. Thanks so much for the smile on this chilly Monday morning. Have an amazing day and take care.
Hello Canuck Nancy42 :) If we were a production run, I'd be Canuck Nancy60 ... (Jan.3,'61 )(sorry, assuming the 42 might be your age, if I am incorrect in my assumption, my apologies). ;) I know this is OT but It's rare to run into another Nancy online, let alone one that is Canadian! ...sorry, little things, eh :) ... Greetings from Muskoka, (well Huntsville, really) Ontario, where I am presently watching the sky as it unloads literal metric tonnes of fluffy white stuff onto the landscape. Doing it the hard way though, given that the wind is making the snow fall "sideways".
I hope you and yours are warm, well, and not bouncing off the walls too badly, from cabin fever! Has there ever been a time, in recent history, where children were/are as eager to get back to school as their parents? !
Have a good one :),and keep on "Can-nancying" . I know I will. It's what we do :)
@@1984potionlover Greetings from Calgary. I'd actually be Canuck Nancy50 if we were going by age. I am 42 because it is the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything according to Douglas Adams. We have a pretty good "trying to be a blizzard" here too and the temp is dropping rapidly. As for cabin fever, I'm teaching my grade 11 guy all about Nationalism ( Social Studies) and Properties of Elements (Science). He's doing online and he's autistic, so he needs the one-on-one from me to keep him focused or he goes meandering in to the interwebs and gets nothing done. Keeps me out of trouble. Good thing I was good at this stuff way back in the day. I hope that you don't get too much of the white stuff. Take care.
@@canucknancy4257 Awesome, and I now have to ask, do you have a towel at the ready? ;) :)
It makes things easier to teach when you yourself have some interest/aptitude/passion for the subject matter. It cannot help but filter through.
I do understand that home schooling can be challenging at the best of times, and people with autism may have some extra difficulties. I won't write an essay, but on a personal and professional level, I have lived, taught, worked, and foster-parented two teenage half brothers, both of whom were on the spectrum( jeeze, that sounds so cold and clinical "on the spectrum")
Sorry I digress. Just that I have an inkling of what it is to parent and teach teens who are neurotypical and those who are "not" . Side note: I'm ADD, and I know all too well how easily it is to get sidetracked online, and in real life if something , for whatever reason cannot be made interesting, doesn't get that serotonin flowing , yadda yadda yadda...online you don't even have to get up to "go" somewhere more interesting. That's pretty tantalising bait!
What's your "grade 11 guy" think of all the shenanigans going on? Is he interested in history, or science, maths, etc. What a time to be a teen, as if the internal rollercoaster isn't enough to give anyone thrills and chills, this "annus horriblis" just amps everything up a notch or seven...
Sorry, I've burbled on enough. Have a good one. Good luck with the scholastic endeavours. It's always going to be an interesting day when you know it's probable you'll either learn something new(hurrah) or you'll be getting a different perspective on something you may have thought you learned a long time ago.(hurrahx2)
Age and time add interesting flavours and filters to what and how we see things. No doubt there will be different things that will resonate for you that won't for him, or in a different way. Ok sorry, I've gone from burbling to an outright torrent...Before I trundle off, out of curiosity, any opinions on Discworld or(separately) dinosaurs etc.? Stay warm and well :)
@Nancy Cousintine A towel is always at hand (it is about the most massively useful thing an interstellar hitchhiker can have). I enjoyed school, so it's good. We've been school-directed home schooling for 10.5 years now, so the pandemic didn't toss anything new our way in that regard. He just misses being able to go out with his social groups (does some online, but it's just not the same). As for Discworld, I actually just finished the second book as I make my way through the wonderful series again. (The luggage and the librarian are my favourite characters). Pratchett is brilliant, as is Neil Gaiman, so Good Omens is always a favourite. I enjoy heading out to the badlands in Drumheller and checking out the Tyrell Museum. All the dinosaur stuff.
@@canucknancy4257 I've been to Drumheller once, back when I was a teen.. Snuck out a couple of tiny pieces of petrified wood that were scattered nonchalantly on the ground. I'd love to visit again, and see the museum, and walk around with a more educated eye, a much lower propensity for swiping innocent fossilised bits of woods, but with all the enthusiasm I had on the first visit. It's been so long, it'd be like it being brand new all over again.
I think my very first love was dinosaurs, and remain my first affection for all things prehistory, and then of course I found that humans, once we settled down and had finished with the whole learning to walk upright bit and figuring out the possibilities that opposable thumbs presented, continued to be fascinating, interesting and a whole lot of other "ings".
Nice to meet another Pratchett fan. I always get something new every time I re read. I adore The Watch, the Librarian, the Luggage and I love Sam Vimes as a character and the arc he goes through.
Have you seen the new series, The Watch? I'm not sure whether I like it or not. It's Discworld flavoured, but not the place or the characters as we might have imagined them.
I commiserate with your son. Social circles, and actual physical gatherings are important, and perhaps even more so when young.
Have a good one, and let's hope the nearer future hold lockdown free and sunny days. Imagine a future where a sneeze or a cough isn't grounds for a whole herd of wary glances! I wonder if we'll hit the point where not wearing a mask in public will feel "weird''. I'm all for masks. it's simple, it's science and it's sane...but sometimes I get the feeling there are folks out there who(and I hope you get the reference) remind me of Donald Sutherland at the end of Invasion of the Body Snatcher (1978 version) if masks, Covid and "new" normal just becomes the "normal" normal. anyway, enough babbling from me. Take care., and Cheers :)
As someone who grew up in the American school system, I can't say I ever thought the buckles on the hats were anything more than an aesthetic choice, like how people put belts over dresses today. They don't do anything, but people think they look nice. I don't know that we ever thought that the buckles were for tightening the hats.
Obviously, it’s sarcasm.
This still makes no sense with how simplistic the pilgrim and puritan lifestyle was and stayed. Fashion might still include ruffs, but less so for peasants, magistrates, and etc. Limited aesthetics became the preferred style.
I’m disappointed in my art history classes for not going more into fashion history. I guess there is only so much context you can cover in an art focused class :(
I have been depression!bingeing your entire channel for a few weeks now (i do textile crafts for a living so i can basically watch youtube all day every day if i want), and I just wanted to thank you for giving me more laughter than I've had in my life for many months. Things are very, very bad for me lately, but you are not just deeply informative, you're also often hilarious. Thank you for the moments of joy.
"I have been racking my brains about how to approach buckle hats" - the important thing is to remember they're more scared of you than you are of them.
Also I've got an ex girlfriend who works in the Jamestown settlement who would probably never speak to me again if I didn't point out Jamestown is in Virginia, very much NOT Massachusetts. ;)
Like spiders: I know it, but I still hates them.
I was just at Charles Towne Landing a few weeks ago to walk the grounds and didn't go into the museum because of COVID, making a mental note to go back again as soon as all this is over (it's been a while). Now when I do go back I'm totally going to keep my eye out for that buckle hat. They used to have an awesome little reenactment village when I was a kid and I wish I could remember more of what they wore now.
In Texas, Rodeo Queens and their court often wear their tiara as hatbands on their cowboy hats. :) (I have liked you and your content from first exposure. I deeply respect your willingness to acknowledge and give a genuine apology for errors. I loathe the "if I have offended" NON-apology apology. It is craven!
That apology crap is soooo cringy.
The issue with the occasional belief that they didnt have belt buckles, is the masive buckles that some re-enacters use. The current research and artifacts show most buckles in the 17th century where quite small. But buckle hats dam they are nasty
I think the inspiration for the buckles are the pieces of jewely used on capotains (capotains being the typical hat for stereotypical pilgrims) which are usually at the front on a decorated belt. And since the "pilgrims" are supposed to be more modest they replaced that jewelry with a belt buckle and we have the pilgrim hat.
Hello from Charleston, SC. "Please rebuild that building" could be our town/state motto. Very little money goes to infrastructure maintenance here much to the chagrin of the people who live here. However, the city government is occasionally moved to better attend to historic sites for the sake of tourism, so perhaps they can be persuaded. Either way, hope you enjoyed your trip here. :)
Buckle-up, it's one hell of a ride!
re: South Carolina and Cement. (Much of the rest of the country, also)
Insert the Eddie Izzard bit about American History, and restoring a building to "just how it looked, *60 years ago* because no one was alive, then!" - Dress to Kill, I think.
You misspelled HAT. It must be spelled H-A-T... because they're all caps.
Jimmy, you might need some frighteningly fancy pants now, sir. Though may I suggest a pair that doesn't require the whole of the fabric department?
You: Put your pipe in your hat.
Me: Did you put your pipe out
You: No why?
Me :Well you are either very angry and it steam or your hairs on fire.
My father "quit" smoking once when I was little and we took a walk up our road and our neighbor asked my father if he had quit smoking and my father said "Yes". Our neighbor said "Well, your pocket didn't" haha
Ahhhh the chiaroscuro. . . I aspire to live my life under similar ambiance.
Hey Provincetown! My whole family is from there as am I. The pilgrim monument is actually said to be the largest granite monument on the USor at least its east coast. Ptown has an interesting history but I wish more people gave the Nauset tribe and their history more attention.
Thank you. I have recently started researching historical dress. I never thought to question the stereotypical dress of the Pilgrims. Now I will delve more into that era.
Omg, please question everything concerning the pilgrims. As a Massachusetts children, please please PLEASE go into all the fake history.
Light-hearted this time he says... proceeds to lose his 'stuff', grimace, swear and generally be as wound up as a very tight thing :D I mean, ya not wrong and those buckle hats do look flamin' ridiculous ;) If you like clay pipes you should watch Nicola White of Tideline Art; she digs them up in the Thames mud all the time and some are truly gorgeous and have fascinating histories.
Greetings from Texas, where I have successfully avoided another St Patrick's Day celebration.
Except for online images. Featuring 4 leaf clover; Patrick of legend explained the Trinity with the 3 lobed leaf of the Shamrock
And Leprechauns in green buckle hats...
Grateful for you Jimmy!! Your videos are wonderful!
I don't smoke at all, I don't do 17 century, but damn now I want a historybounding 17ish hat with a little pipe!
PS. Is it just me or Jimmy got a glow up in between the videos?
I would put in a bubble-pipe. OOOH! No, wait, scratch that- A BENDY-STRAW!!!
Brandon F. reference almost made me choke on my tea from laughter.
I'm a recent subscriber in New York (and from a Welsh family). I want to thank you concerning your correction of some of the historical inaccuracies that a lot of us have been subjected to... especially in the States.
You have a great channel and I, for one, thoroughly enjoy your rants and your humor always gets me laughing. Personally, I've always thought the buckle hats look atrocious, lol. In honor of our American Thanksgiving, thank you Jimmy, for sharing your world, your thoughts, and your knowledge with us. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone, whether you celebrate it or not. Stay safe. :)
Here's to me sitting in my room at 4 am watching your videos mesmerized by your rants
I found the last video uplifting in that you broached the subject! And you wonderfully open to guidance.
Did nobody mention NC Wyeth's illustrations? I dunno where he got the idea from, but look at those. Buckles everywhere. Big influence.
And Howard Pyle. Big influence on everybody.
Thank you for dispelling the myth of the buckle hat! I always thought it was stupid, and now I know the buckled belt held no actual function on the hat. I always leave your vids feeling better educated!
It would be interesting to look at American advertising literature as a number of products used a " Pilgrim " as a logo. How far back does the image go in non artistic images I wonder.
Everywhere. It’s really bad.
Thankfully, we in the modern age can karmaiclly horriblely misrepresent the victorians and what they looked like.
There's a good milliners in Oldham (Greater Manchester) called Parkin Fabrics. They're online.
The primary points we teach about the "Pilgrims" is that they got lost and landed in the wrong place. They realized that they were outside the area that was covered by their charter and wrote the Mayflower Compact, which was a document outlining the way they would be governing themselves.
Hats with buckles really is not part of the curriculum. Kids are getting that from popular culture as well as several famous paintings from the 19th century.
In terms of art I usually spend class time discussing the way paintings represent ideas and are not literal images of events like photos. Generally using the famous Washington Crossing the Delaware painting from the 1850s. Kids pretty much get the idea that Washington did not stand heroically in the front of the boat as they rowed across the icy river.....
Jimmy: “We mustn’t call it a tricorne hat of Brandon F will come and eat us in the middle of the night.”
Me, trying to be good and failing: “Tricorne hat, tricorne hat, tricorne hat!”
Love your channel still! Great info!
Aww, you’re just great :)
I about gave myself whiplash when you mentioned Charlestowne Landing! Believe it or not I assisted on a dig there in the mid-aughts. The park was closed to the public for several months at that time, while they built the new museum and updated some other things there as well. (As a result I dug so, so many test pits. Just. So many.)
Apologies for the buckle hat in the museum, lol. Still, I'm glad that you thought it was otherwise alright. I hope that the non-historically accurate buildings aside, you enjoyed the rest of your trip to Charleston and the Carolinas! :D
This is a fantastic video, thank you. :)
Plimouth Plantation is outstanding and lets you actually interact with clothing “accurate” to the period. If you’re ever in Massachusetts I highly recommend it.
Nice shout-out for fingerloop braiding!!
Next thing you will be saying that The Mad Hatter didn't have a ticket in his hat.
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Now I am going to have to go and watch 'Cromwell' again to see if Richard Harris has a buckle on his hat.
Great video.
Rewatching, still a gem! Also, puritans were against 'vain adornments' and useless buckles would certainly qualify.
I remember once hearing an explanation that said that the Puritans didn't wear buckles on their hat, because that was high fashion at the time, so while the average person did so, the Pilgrims didn't. I was quite shocked to discover that no, NO ONE considered that to be a decoration (fashion is stupid enough that I'll believe anything could be considered a decoration.)
@@1One2Three5Eight13 this is also what I was taught in grade school. It wasn’t until I got a few years older and went looking that I realized it was all lies.
For some reason I want to yell, "no metal buckles ". Like from the movie Mommy Dearest, when the mom yelled "no wire hangers"
FYI-the monument is in Provincetown, MA. Totally awesome town-very worth a visit!!
Interesting to find out how/when the notorious 'hat buckle' popped onto the scene...
Burnley and Trowbridge have really beautiful grosgrain made of silk in a bunch of colours which curves beautifully with a warm iron, making a perfect hat band!
I briefly thought maybe the weight of the buckle kept the hat from blowing away. Thanks to you, I now know better.
Enjoyed the video and explanation. I’m from the US and the pilgrims outfits always seemed odd.
Thank you! ☀️
PS. I noticed the world of Warcraft picture. 👍🏼
It seems logical that fashion popular towards the time of independence would be extended back to the 'original founders'. You could either put it down to telescoping (things far away look close together) or even more simply: they were all seeking freedom from religious persecution, how do religious cults dress? Yeah make them look a bit Almish/Quakery because they are time capsules of the 17th century...
Could you do a video on the Welsh tract in Pennsylvania? I think it would be a nice follow on for this video. Could even do a bit of a fashion report ;)
"I don't.... horse.... very often." Felt, Jimmy. At least amy more. You're awesome!
I would argue that putting a useless expensive buckle on a hat would be period accurate, simply for the fact rich people have always loved to show off thier wealth in wierd and wasteful ways. I would argue it is a possibility SOME people may have, but if they did it was not documented. HOWEVER...
Even if some people DID, the pilgrims who landed were here to escape religious persecution. They went too far in most people’s mind eshewing ostentatious displays of wealth, alcohol and holidays. They would not have worn a buckle on thier hat for any reason. From my limited reaserch, I would guess anyone wearing a buckle on thier hat would get stoned. 😁
Love your videos! I have no idea how I missed you in CoCoVid, but I am glad I found you now.
You can argue they 'escaped' so they could persecute other religious minorities...
@@someoneinoffensive Yes. They were not quiet about demanding others conform to thier ways. Why they were pushed first to Denmark, then to the Americas.
I'm not sure whether the face made at 0:12 is positively adorable in the level of enthusiasm or a little terrifying to the point where I'm reaching for the dagger under my pillow...bit of both, perhaps; bit of both.
Thanks for the light topic! XD I shall send it to all my American friends!
Looking forward to see your hat with the pipe...
Btw congratulations for 4000 followers :3 great to see your channel grow!
P.s.: Loved the edit of video! When you stared at fancy pants...
I did a finger braid once at an event. I saved the braid, cut it in twain, tied a knot in each end with a little tassel. And I pinned it to my favorite casual porkpie. Because it works very nicely as a great pop of color on a primarily black hat.
Can you please do a rant on on shoes and glasses! Some people spend a fortune on reenacting until it comes to footware. There is nothing that drops the mood as a modern pair of lace up boots or modern glasses. I am a ACW reenactor and the number of modern hiking boots that I have seen has broken my heart over the years.
So tempted to just... make an historically adequate costume (for both men and women) and ship them off to Plymouth so they can actually have something decent to display. Guess I need to start working on my lace and ruff making...
i love that you used Artemisia Gentileschi paining. Also, hi, you know me, I'm Marta :)
Of course! Hey hey Marta Kay!
I felt like I've watched a buckle hat debunking from someone else here on YT but hey, the more the merrier 🔥🔥🔥
Yep! You probably did. I’m definitely not the first person to point it out on here
I was hoping to manage a cavalier joke including fancy pants, but my brain isn't having any of it.
I also may have giggled enough at the chiaroscuro bit at the end that I had to explain my giggles to my husband... But as a former student of the Italian language, I was pretty impressed with your pronounciation of it, which was far better than some versions I've heard.
I love you! And PLEASE, stop apologizing! You're wonderful! Say No to buckle hats and Yes to clay pipes.
Love your channel! I live in North Carolina not far from the Outer Banks. Have you ever visited there?
I tried to learn about the whole buckle thing, but when I went to the museums and they showed that too, welp… as a young kid, the museums had the definitive answers. 🤷🏻♀️
This is hilarious and well considered. What would be a good alternative craft activity for teachers to use?
Honestly, that’s not a side of it I’m at all familiar with. I’d potentially see if Plimoth Plantation or a similar heritage site has some resources for teachers to download
Always wondered about shoe buckles now I know cheers 🍻 👍
It's funny... in that really famous picture of Mathew Hopkins with "vinegar tom" in the foreground... In my mind's eye, I always put a buckle on his hat... just had a quick check and IT'S NOT THERE!
Oh I felt the comment about c17th reenactment groups 👀😬 in my defence, my hat may be black but I don’t wear it that often, preferring different headgear, it’s still pretty stiff after 20 years, and the only adornment is a linen tape. Not a belt buckle or OTT dyed ostrich feather in sight!
Recently read a book (Fashion Victims), which had a chapter on hats, and how beaver fur was excellent for making hats, felted well, but when they'd been hunted out of affordability, they moved to rabbit fur, which doesn't felt anything like as well... which is when they started using mercury compounds to make hats :)
Meanwhile I'm watching a Thanksgiving themed video drinking amaretto coffee, and eating a frangipane-topped mince pie! (Sainsbury if that sounds like your jam).
Beaver may well be superior, but rabbit fur does felt quite well; the classic Australian bush hat is the Akubra, made of rabbit fur felt because we have millions of the buggers. I've seen some really old Akubras still in regular use. They don't wear out, they're pretty well weatherproof and they keep their shape. The Australian soldiers' Digger/slouch hat is also often made of rabbit felt, and those things are practically indestructible.
@@rachelboersma-plug9482 My Akubra is older than me and still looks like a passable hat, and it gets used and abused on the regular. it's turned red because of the dirt, but it was originally a buff/tan colour. But then, everything does fade to red here.
Thank you so much for the video. Extremely enjoyable. I don't know if you'd be interested but could we possibly get a video about pipes?
I'd really like to know more about how the icon entered the psyche. Guess I'll have to work on that myself when I get some time
With family history as a hobby since 1964, I had traced the ancestry of my great-great-grandmother Callista Sprague Finster back to one Francis Sprague. Francis arrived at Plymouth Colony in 1623, and promptly founded the first tavern in New England. His name appears many times in the records of the General Court for imbibing too freely of the products he sold.
However, last year I learned that Francis' son John and his son's wife Ruth Basset were fined by the General Court for "fornication before marriage" since John Jr. was born less than nine months after the wedding. HOWEVER, Ms. Bassett appears to have not confined her liaisons to one partner alone. Y-DNA research amongst Sprague descendants show that John Jr. was not the biological son of John Sr. His DNA is a match to descendants of Rev. Samuel Fuller Jr. Samuel was living in near proximity to Ruth at the right point in time to have been the father. Rev. Fuller was the son of Dr. Samuel Fuller, a passenger on the Mayflower.
So that is how I learned that I am not the descendant of a tipsy tavern owner, but rather of an impure Puritan. Not the way they told the Mayflower story in Sunday School!
I have no evidence to indicate what sort of hat Samuel Fuller wore...
You: introduced your hat
Me: Oh! A tricorn!
You: “… which we do NOT call a tricorn!”
Me: 😳 yessir 🫡
professional apology chief
With some of those pilgrim outfits, it looks like whoever made the costume just found a stash of large belt buckles they fancied and went ham. So extra, who needs four belt buckles in an outfit?! ...me, as I say the words, yes, I would like a ridiculous number of buckles in a non-pilgrim coordinate, it turns out.
Fascinating
“I don’t horse very much” is now my new way to tell people I haven’t ridden horses in awhile. 🤣
i never even thought of the belt on the hat being used to tighten it around the head :-D. i guess it was so ingrained in childhood as a "look" i just took it as part of the whole black and white thing they had going on (since color, sound, and even movement wasn't invented until the 20th century :-) fun fact, even though peasants looked like they had hard lives, since they didn't move, they also didn't get tired)
I like that there is a theme currently -- WTF with the hats, Victorians!
Can we have a Welsh phrase ow word of the day at the end of your videos? lol
How odd. I never noticed the lack of buckles in actual depictions from the time, though somehow imagined them there. There are contemporary engravings of the gunpowder plotter Thomas Percy, with an ornament on the front the band around his hat which could be mistaken for a buckle. That's the nearest thing I can find.
as I watch this video I am looking at a thumbnail right beside it titled "what was life like for pilgrims onboard the mayflower" and what do I see?? A man with a buckle on his hat!!
No! Evil! Vile!
Are there any cavalier fancy pants in the works? ;)
He seemed to be giving those pants a coveting glance 😂.
I have a belt on my hat.
On my Tom Mix, over the wide grosgrain ribbon that matches the tan felt.
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Lime mortar instead of concrete. AMEN.
Thank you for the public service announcement. I never knew that. Chock that up to a very small public school. Diolch, just me trying my Welch out that I have learned.
Croeso! And points for the old spelling, fun to see it in the wild!