“Keep your calves out, don’t skip leg day, and make sure your genitals are covered.” Sound advice for all centuries, really. Thanks for the great video!
Hahaha. It’s a good thing no one is goong to see up there. No matter how authentic the rest of their kit is, neither my husband or my sons will ever wear split hose. It’s trousers or they aren’t going, lol. (Fair’s fair, I guess, because I won’t go to any Faire or event without modern bra & underpants under my garb.)
A 1050 man goes to a modern toilet: *A lot of confusion ensues* A man's silhouette aside, apart from all the things that are allowed to men (and women) fashion-wise today and would lead to a sad and painful end under the laws from centuries ago, I miss how in Middle Ages there was absolutely nothing suspicious (especially for men) and laden with any weird subtexts about using all existing colors in all possible combinations (incl. differently colored hose legs
Why am I now picturing a medieval time traveler, whose hosts have taken him shopping for modern clothes, passing the women's athletic section and coming away with gobs of calf-accentuating leggings?
I appreciate how much work you put into this. Little known fact: they invented hugging and kissing then to celebrate the fact that having hands and feet was once again fashionable. 8)
@@TheWelshViking ... so here we are in 2020 and hugging and kissing are suddenly unfashionable again. Thankfully hands and feet have been retained so far, as has covering the genitals.
Honestly just wanted to say thank you for saying that anybody can wear historical (or not) men’s clothes. I don’t really vibe with medieval women’s clothes but I guess it never occurred to me to look at the men’s. So thanks for the inclusivity in a really well articulated and well researched vid!
I love this! Everybody who's bashing Harry Styles for wearing a dress on his Vogue cover should watch this and reconsider their idea of how men "should" dress. I want more men swooshing down the hallways in the 21st century!
I don’t like the dress. I personally very much dislike the silhouette, fabric choice, and black lace detailing in the front. It looks like he stole his grandma’s yellowed, rumpled wedding dress cut the sleeves off, added black lace, and tossed a jacket on top. It’s so disheveled looking, it’s hard to imagine that someone would pay to have it made. Were I to wear a dress, I assure you it would have looked much nicer than that ugly rag.
@@macmurfy2jka this is honestly the best critique of it; not “hE nO rEaL mAn!” But instead “His dress was ugly and he should have chosen a better one, and here is why”
@@eazy8579 yeah, clothing is clothing, and there are plenty of examples of clothes that have flipped genders over time. Thongs jump to mind, as do skirts, scarves, jump suits, and shawls/ponchos. Most of these men wearing dresses right now know what they are doing is as an act of transgression and less about looking good doing it. If it was about looking good there are plenty of traditions to draw inspiration from. Within the Anglospere, there is already a well established tradition of men wearing skirts; they’re called kilts and they can look really good on a man. There is also the Indian tradition dress where men wear ankle length dress like garment (I don’t think these look as good). Middle eastern men also have dress like garments that men wear. There is nothing new under the sun. British punk youth culture dressed up in skirts dresses and even tutus. The only difference here is that the punks were a grass roots fashion that knew that it was rebellious, where the present crop is corporate and top down but still claiming to be rebellious. It is simply not and most people sniff out the inauthentic hypocrisy. I believe that’s what most are raging against. If this was more like the punks of the past, people would be a bit more receptive or begrudge youths respect. Interestingly, there is a fashion that is getting more “girly” right now which is being driven by demand and that’s shorter shorts on men. But it’s got nothing to do with fashion oligarchs telling people what to wear! It’s grass roots and property so. That said I was just at Yale the other day and I did see at least a few biological men wearing dresses. No idea why though. Didn’t ask. So I guess folks are starting to follow the losers at Vogue after all. BUT, they were all wearing belted knee length (or mid thigh) floral a line summer dresses and jackets. A much better choice on a male physique than Harry’s rumpled gown.
-the only time I will not throw something at a Man On The Internet who shouts at me "show me your bum!"- Commenting before I finish the video because that is how hard I am laughing.
I would like a video on peasantry fashion. I mean I get it'll be mostly: this was good working but I'm hoping you could disabuse the hessian sack attire they normally have
I'm a relative beginner in historical reenactment, more focused on the 14th century English style, Edward III era. As far as I can tell the outer garment on the right at 8:35 was called a gardecorps but also a surcoat, handy for travel as with the sleeves you could wear them for cold weather but have your arms out in warmer weather or when doing work, and often with a riding split to make travel on horseback easier. It's funny how the 14th century fashion that started in France began to adopt ridiculously tightly fitted cotehardies, so much so more traditional members of court thought it was obscene, reminds me of people complaining about women's leggings nowadays. I've got a mid 14th century Charles de Blois style pourpoint and wow, it really does hug the figure, in quite a nice way, can totally understand the aesthetics behind it.
Love this channel and your excellent sense of humor! A suggestion- it would be helpful to see the images the entire time you are talking about them (even as an inset while still showing your face). Otherwise, I had to pause and rewind to notice the details you were pointing out. Thank you for such entertaining and informative content :)
That was so interesting! I know practically nothing about this period, so this was very educational, and made me laugh a few times. The "ladies' toilet silhouette" was also fashionable in the late 17th century through the first half of the 18th!
Don't know why TH-cam put this in my feed, not a costumer, reanactor, or into fashion, but half an hour later ... really enjoyed the video. Well done. Pictures really interesting too. I just wish you had kept them up a little longer so I could see them while you talked about them, I had to keep rewinding to see what you were talking about, but I really liked it. Subscribed, because, why not.
That was a great video. Entertaining and informative. I'll now be able to make sure that my hubby 's medieval Godric Gryffindor costume will have a historically accurate silhouette, just like the ladies washroom sign. So much wonderful reference material. Got the badge. Thanks for sharing. Have a wonderful day.
20:50 - the golden lion on blue field reminds me of the kind of lions they have by dozens all over Belgium in general, and in eastern Flanders in particular, more precisely in a town called Zottegem. Considering this is a scene taking place during a 100 Years War, in which there had been quite a lot going on in Flanders, maybe, just maybe, some of the clergy guys seen on the right came from Flanders and was somehow involved in the business that was talked on over that banquet.
Oh, I wish I had kept notes now! I saw those three lions while I was working on a crest. Someone (sorry!) Had a lion and added a second in honor of his new wife's father. A third was added another generation later. The (next)new wife's family also had been using a single lion
The Wikipedia article on coats of arms for the Holy Roman Empire mentions "Azure a lion rampant Or, queue fourchée, armed and langued Gules, crowned Or" for the Duchy of Guelders from 1276-1378. What could be a forked tail shows pretty clearly in the TWV illustration. The Zottegem coat of arms's lion has a plain tail.
Hi Jimmy! You are one of my favorite new costubers that I found this CoCoVid weekend, and my husband likes your videos too! Any chance you would want to do a video on Landsknecht at some point, both fighting and costumes? He wants me to make him an authentic costume and is also super interested in their fighting styles as well!
What a lovely compliment, thank you. I would love to do something about landsknechten! Slashes everywhere, butts and calves all over the place! I’ll try to timetable that in soon ;)
Oh yes, medieval men's fashion ❤ This is a great motivation. I need to replace my blazer collection and have opted for late medieval men's... I guess you'd call them doublets, we'd call it "Schecken". They are the only thing that really goes with skinny jeans. Made one so far that works quite well (not the height of Burgundian fashion, but there is a lot of stuff in the urban well to do sphere that is very wearable), but I need more, mooore 😅 And also speculative Viking wrap jackets, of course. Those shrug sleeves are really something, btw. I have them on a winter coat, trimmed with recycled fur, looks great.
@@jackiedesiraye You can just see a word that looks suspiciously like "emeroid" above his head. I think the split stick is for keeping the poor guy's business spread out so he can see, and the massive knife is... yeah. You learn something new every day? O.O
Medieval hemorrhoids treatment (and no I’m not joking) It’s actually a fairly commonly depicted scene when showing medieval medicine/surgery. Fish often make there way into these scenes as well, though in truth this could just be cheeky inside jokes referring to sodomy. It’s hard to tell, it’s not like the artist are telling us what there meant in the scenes. But, is does seem to be the consensus that the scenes with doctors, butts, knives, and blood depict the removal of hemorrhoids. I imagine that loots of horseback riding was a real contributor, kinda like cycling without bike shorts today can be.
You could just speculate that the bloke in the big picture is applying eye liner to the seated man, if so it puts a different perspective on the top picture 😂😂😂
I do apologise.....the video of an Huey helicopter popped up, if there's a favourite sound next to a hard working steam locomotive, Rolls Royce Merlin, axes and swords in battle, it's the sound of the Huey.... we're back now "presses Play"....
Just a reminder that you had the idea of doing videos on the differences in dress between the different countries! (Didn’t want you to forget a good idea!)
In the penultimate image, of Le Roy de Fauncy by the Welsh colored stands, there is a lady among his followers - which I find very interesting! Thank you for bringing us back in time. And lady’s toilet silhouette is definitely going to be a thing to pass on among my reenactment friends!
Late to the convo here - I just ordered new hose for my 10c Jutlander kit. My original hose, well made and fitted, was still too baggy for my taste. I'm a thicc dude and need to show off my manly curves more! So I contacted the hose-maker and we went back and forth for a bit (I learned a lot) and I've some new tighter hose coming for the Ribe-Dandy in me!
This was very informative thank you! Though I can’t help but wonder how you were planning on making a codpiece so ridiculous it would scare the clergy, were you going to make one shaped like the devils head, with horns and stuff?
I only just subscribed and caught up, but I love your demeanor and energy! You've managed to make this info very accessible and approachable, and I very much appreciate that. Looking forward to your next video! :)
Ladies' toilet silhouette XD You are hilarious and I absolutely love it. Very informative video - thank you! I happen to be reenacting 11th century but from the Slavic 'point of view'. And this video got me thinking about the norm in Slavic (West Slavic, to be precise) reenactment again - basically all the guys I've seen just wore regular, straight, long linen pants. AFAIK there are no finds of these, as there are basically no finds of clothing that would betray information as too its cut from this part of Europe (sob, sob). Why would Slavs wear these modern peasant pants if something totally different was fashionable everywhere else? But I admit menswear is terra incognita for me (now less, thanks to your video), so I don't want to make any claims. Anyway, I'm looking forward to your upcoming videos. It's so nice to have a CosTuber from the same era to watch ;) Oh, before I forget: a lil bit of pronunciation help. Maciejowski is pronounced something like machieyovski.
Oh great! My apologies for mispronouncing. I know the pants you mean. I believe they’re based on the pants seen on Gotland picture stones showing Viking men in long, straight pants. But it’s highly unlikely they were linen, and they aren’t Slavic! I’m so pleased this was interesting to you, how lovely of you to conment :)
I believe that rather than those Gotland stones (although the first Polish prince is believed to have had Viking personal guard, so we can't rule out the influence), this 'fashion' comes from the modern understanding of the concept of simple clothing, and the legacy of the romantic picture of medieval Slavs which largely equated them with peasants as the uncivilised, living close to nature, ritualistic kind of people. The idea itself of just wearing simple, basic clothing as a Slavic reenactor is valid though as we really lack sources, so this is a safe bet. Some would say that in this situation these areas should not be reenacted at all, but I disagree. We have an abundance of finds of everything from buildings through weapons and household items to jewellery and shoes and fragments of textiles. Fortunately the medieval Central Europe was not an isolated island inhabited by peoples of unknown origin, which enables us to - carefully - draw conclusions and parallels with the neighbouring cultures. So I think it's perfectly all right to portray a Western Slav dressed in what you believe is the most probable for them to have worn, as long as you are aware that these are but speculations, and can provide the reasoning behind your assumptions. Sadly, not many reenactors can, and thus we get peasant-inspired garb ;)
Wonderful, informative, and really interesting video! I've always been more focused on the evolution of women's fashion, so thank you for expanding my knowledge about the men's side of things!
Love the videos, great job. A point about dyeing leather black, its realy easy. you can either use "vinegroon", which is vineger that has had iron sitting in it for a few days, or you can use the water from a blacksmiths slack tub. either of these will turn the leather gray , if you then oil it, it goes black. Ive just done some mudguards for an Edwardian motortrike using vinegroon method and they have turned out great. I'm Ex Regia myself and understand why black leather is discouraged, but its actualy one of the easiest ways of dyeing leather.
Great tip, thanks Haydn. I’ve actually used vinegaroon to make some sheaths! Only reason I don’t mention it is I haven’t found any evidence for it in the Viking period. There’s mention of black shoes in Icelandic sagas, but we know how reliable they are! If you know of any pre-1500 sources for it I’d be really happy to have it, mind!
that was very interesting, i never realised how accurate the male costumes in ballets of romeo and juliet were with the hose lol also you have a very soothing voice (also from one phd student to another, hope it's going well!)
Can definitely tell this is an earlier video and its kinda great. Jimmy just being straight to the point and giving the info. No serious frill. As always though a great video and learning more then I ever did in schools.
Fantastic and informative video. I do wonder with the footed hose how often the feet ("socks") wore out compared to the rest of the hose and were replaced or repaired. I suppose I'll find out after I make some!
I'm new around here and trying to catch up. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE this style of presentation, showing your source, with the description you give clearly and concisely, it's amazing ❤️ you do however (problematically for me, but still wonderful for the world in general) focus on men's fashion, and I need to find exactly something like this for women's fashion. I have not yet found this. If you or any of your followers could point me to such a concise piece on women's attire, by yourself, or by anyone you would trust (I am intensely aware of the minefield of misinformation) I would be eternally grateful. I am focused especially on early period, 8th -11th century. I know this is an old video, I'm just going to continue binging and hope... So much like, and subscribing
I like 9th - 10th century Northern European fashion, and sometimes I wear my hangerocs over modern teeshirts around town (without the early medieval swag, of course). Bliauts, Cotehardies & Houppelandes are cool to look out, but I would not want to wear them. They seem like a lot of bother for the wearer.
Interesting! Do you have speculation about why the men's silhouette stayed so consistent for that long? Is it to maximize the fabric being functional to wear in those shapes?
Partly I think the general “tunic and hose” look was easy to wear, fix, and is quite reminiscent of Roman styles. Discussing this with Isabel Northwode Costumes, she also makes the point that they’re easy to pass down to kids, warm, and it’s versatile if your shape and size changes as well. So yeah, I reckon a few factors probably.
@@TheWelshViking I have a question, as a woman I can attest to it being reasonable that throughout history women have always wanted to look good. Not necessarily for anyone else, just because they/we like feeling pretty. I think that may be a huge motivator for women's fashion to change so frequently: someone decided to change, because she liked it, suddenly other liked it, so they changed, now it's the new norm. My question is: do u think this was different for men? Do you think men almost just didn't care enough to try changing their looks? They found something that worked and until something better came around they were fine with sticking to the tried and true?
@@kathrynehiersche1817 Men's fashion being drab and boring dates only to the Regency period (Esquire has an article about Beau Brummel if you're interested). Men like to feel pretty too. I believe there is in fact a TED talk called "your boyfriend wants to feel pretty". I also follow female re-enactors/fashion historians and a recurring theme is how slowly women's fashion used to change compared to today. If you want to get REALLY NERDY about psychological differences between men and women then I must recommend Delusions of Gender by Cordelia Fine.
Thought to ponder: is it co-incidence that the fashion shifted to longer tunics at the same time the Medieval Warm Period was ending? Did they just have cold legs?
The good ol' Public Washroom symbols - This toilet is for people who wear skirts or tunics, and this one is for people wearing trousers and shorter top-garments. Also, Medieval drawings are delightfully discordant - some martyr doing jazz hands while being flayed. 12:24 Is that drawing indicating that the guy's tunic is semi-transparent? Or did some of the pigment sink (like lead white oil paint does)?
Appreciate this. I'm making some garb for men (to loan), but the hose...those I can't figure out how to do a generic one size fits "most". Must get on with the shirts, then the tunics. Thank you. Stay safe and keep posting.
It's difficult, because they would have been fitted, but you can make a larger size, or a less fitted shape, that won't be perfect, but will do. The other issue is integral feet. Thanks as well! :D
You've mentioned it a few times, but I don't know the details. In what field are you pursuing your PhD? Have you a thesis subject defined? Maybe you've said in another video but I've not watched them all. I'm a TWV newbie. Old fart, I admit, but new to you.
I really love pre 14th century medieval armor and clothing. The long flowy tunics, surcoats, mail, all helmet designs. Favorite helmets are the all the different nasal helmet styles, transitional/faceplate helmets, and great helms. Just wish we had more surviving artifacts from the 12th, 13th and 11th. Unfortunately I feel like the high medieval and early medieval period are less popular and people mostly just focus on the 14th and 15th. I understand why plate armor is interesting has cool designs, most media is based around then or even if not they still put plate armor in anyway.
Nice to see some earlier medieval costuming, not only the 14th century styles everyone does. :) I have always held though that skinny jeans are essentially medieval fashion revivals. Although I am not so sure about the absolute monotony of shoes. There are quite a few records in the Order of Preachers' ordinaria where there are friars being censured for their wild footwear following 'local fashions'. For example knee high boots in red for Spain! Then there is the endless yelling from Humbert de Romans about wildly pointy sleeves in England and to quote, 'long hoods that had points dragging on the ground.' Tut.
I'm putting together a wardrobe for this summer, somewhere early to mid 14th century. I'm wondering whether it's too much to have a linen under tunic and a wool over tunic. Is it possible that people had an over tunic made of linen for the warmer weather?
Weren't those Tudor hats called statute hats? For the statute that forced all men and women to wear them in order to support local labor? Where is Ruth Goodman when you need her...
This is old, and I don't know if anyone has said it yet, but that lion on a blue field in the feasting image is the heraldry of the Kingdom of Ruthenia
Did the fashions change with the Black Death? ie: was there a sudden change mid 14th century? Where was the fabric grain on those houppelandes? Were they using a bias cut? Any ideas on when bias cutting became a thing for hose? Anyway...thank you for taking time from your PhD work to make these videos. My questions are just me being curious and I sort of ask everyone about these things because I haven’t been able to get the answers easily..🙄😌
as a huge 19th century fashion nerd i will say france also very fashionable in that time, not sure abt people of the times perception of french fashion but personally ilove it
22:39 you say there are various names you’ve heard for that type of red coat. What are they? I like that style too but don’t know what kind of terms to use from them.
“Keep your calves out, don’t skip leg day, and make sure your genitals are covered.”
Sound advice for all centuries, really.
Thanks for the great video!
Advice gif everybody!
"To scare the clergy" . . . Haven't enjoyed medieval men's fashion so much since Blackadder! Thank you.
You're the first person to get the reference! :D
Like the clergy weren't fashion fiends. 😄
THE BLACK RUSSIAN!
😂😂😂
"They can even be trousers. Nobody's going to see up there, hopefully." Look, you don't know what kind of reenactments I attend ...
Oh I can imagine *waggles eyebrows suggestively*
Hahaha. It’s a good thing no one is goong to see up there. No matter how authentic the rest of their kit is, neither my husband or my sons will ever wear split hose. It’s trousers or they aren’t going, lol.
(Fair’s fair, I guess, because I won’t go to any Faire or event without modern bra & underpants under my garb.)
A 1050 man goes to a modern toilet:
*A lot of confusion ensues*
A man's silhouette aside, apart from all the things that are allowed to men (and women) fashion-wise today and would lead to a sad and painful end under the laws from centuries ago, I miss how in Middle Ages there was absolutely nothing suspicious (especially for men) and laden with any weird subtexts about using all existing colors in all possible combinations (incl. differently colored hose legs
Why am I now picturing a medieval time traveler, whose hosts have taken him shopping for modern clothes, passing the women's athletic section and coming away with gobs of calf-accentuating leggings?
Not me actually getting a wee bit sad they never got to wear nylon tights... Lads would've loved them 😢
"Quick, Bjørn, tell Øle to bring the hacksilver! Lululemon is having a BOGO sale!" 🤣
I appreciate how much work you put into this. Little known fact: they invented hugging and kissing then to celebrate the fact that having hands and feet was once again fashionable. 8)
XD Love it! And thanks for that, it makes it feel very much worthwhile :)
@@TheWelshViking ... so here we are in 2020 and hugging and kissing are suddenly unfashionable again. Thankfully hands and feet have been retained so far, as has covering the genitals.
@@MikeEvansUK The sexiest piece of clothing a man can wear right now is a face mask.
Honestly just wanted to say thank you for saying that anybody can wear historical (or not) men’s clothes. I don’t really vibe with medieval women’s clothes but I guess it never occurred to me to look at the men’s. So thanks for the inclusivity in a really well articulated and well researched vid!
This is so kind of you, Katie, thank you! I’m so happy this was useful and helped you feel more that this hobby is for you :)
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That orange tunic at 4:07........ I have the need to make it and wear it 24/7 like some fabulous medieval version of Jonathan from Queer Eye.
Yes! Oh, you’d be glorious in it!
@@TheWelshViking If I ever find myself in need of a project, it's definitely going to be high on the list
That would be amazing!
"I don't have much time, we'll keep it to just 400 years"
Love your sense of humor. It made so much sense when I learned you are in archaeology. We're weird.
We really are :p
I love this! Everybody who's bashing Harry Styles for wearing a dress on his Vogue cover should watch this and reconsider their idea of how men "should" dress. I want more men swooshing down the hallways in the 21st century!
I don’t like the dress.
I personally very much dislike the silhouette, fabric choice, and black lace detailing in the front.
It looks like he stole his grandma’s yellowed, rumpled wedding dress cut the sleeves off, added black lace, and tossed a jacket on top. It’s so disheveled looking, it’s hard to imagine that someone would pay to have it made. Were I to wear a dress, I assure you it would have looked much nicer than that ugly rag.
This, let women have more pockets (real pockets) in their clothes and let men wear dresses, swooshiness is cool.
@@macmurfy2jka this is honestly the best critique of it; not “hE nO rEaL mAn!” But instead “His dress was ugly and he should have chosen a better one, and here is why”
@@eazy8579 yeah, clothing is clothing, and there are plenty of examples of clothes that have flipped genders over time. Thongs jump to mind, as do skirts, scarves, jump suits, and shawls/ponchos.
Most of these men wearing dresses right now know what they are doing is as an act of transgression and less about looking good doing it. If it was about looking good there are plenty of traditions to draw inspiration from.
Within the Anglospere, there is already a well established tradition of men wearing skirts; they’re called kilts and they can look really good on a man. There is also the Indian tradition dress where men wear ankle length dress like garment (I don’t think these look as good). Middle eastern men also have dress like garments that men wear.
There is nothing new under the sun. British punk youth culture dressed up in skirts dresses and even tutus. The only difference here is that the punks were a grass roots fashion that knew that it was rebellious, where the present crop is corporate and top down but still claiming to be rebellious. It is simply not and most people sniff out the inauthentic hypocrisy. I believe that’s what most are raging against. If this was more like the punks of the past, people would be a bit more receptive or begrudge youths respect.
Interestingly, there is a fashion that is getting more “girly” right now which is being driven by demand and that’s shorter shorts on men. But it’s got nothing to do with fashion oligarchs telling people what to wear! It’s grass roots and property so.
That said I was just at Yale the other day and I did see at least a few biological men wearing dresses. No idea why though. Didn’t ask. So I guess folks are starting to follow the losers at Vogue after all. BUT, they were all wearing belted knee length (or mid thigh) floral a line summer dresses and jackets. A much better choice on a male physique than Harry’s rumpled gown.
"Not bothering to use hands... or feet..."
I should not be laughing this hard at dismemberment 🤣
-the only time I will not throw something at a Man On The Internet who shouts at me "show me your bum!"-
Commenting before I finish the video because that is how hard I am laughing.
XD
I would like a video on peasantry fashion.
I mean I get it'll be mostly: this was good working but I'm hoping you could disabuse the hessian sack attire they normally have
Absolutely! I’ll for sure look at that!
I'm a relative beginner in historical reenactment, more focused on the 14th century English style, Edward III era.
As far as I can tell the outer garment on the right at 8:35 was called a gardecorps but also a surcoat, handy for travel as with the sleeves you could wear them for cold weather but have your arms out in warmer weather or when doing work, and often with a riding split to make travel on horseback easier.
It's funny how the 14th century fashion that started in France began to adopt ridiculously tightly fitted cotehardies, so much so more traditional members of court thought it was obscene, reminds me of people complaining about women's leggings nowadays. I've got a mid 14th century Charles de Blois style pourpoint and wow, it really does hug the figure, in quite a nice way, can totally understand the aesthetics behind it.
"To scare the clergy, of course." Bwahaha!
extra points for the liefield shade ;P
He can take it ;) Pouches errywhere!
Love this channel and your excellent sense of humor! A suggestion- it would be helpful to see the images the entire time you are talking about them (even as an inset while still showing your face). Otherwise, I had to pause and rewind to notice the details you were pointing out. Thank you for such entertaining and informative content :)
That was so interesting! I know practically nothing about this period, so this was very educational, and made me laugh a few times.
The "ladies' toilet silhouette" was also fashionable in the late 17th century through the first half of the 18th!
Don't know why TH-cam put this in my feed, not a costumer, reanactor, or into fashion, but half an hour later ... really enjoyed the video. Well done.
Pictures really interesting too. I just wish you had kept them up a little longer so I could see them while you talked about them, I had to keep rewinding to see what you were talking about, but I really liked it. Subscribed, because, why not.
😂 when you said 'that really bad artist' I immediatly thought 'oh... he can't mean?' and then the name came up 😁
I'm at 4:39 - that's really interesting - it's so similar to what the women wore - just with more legs!
Right? Love that it’s a period of such flowing and elegant menswear
@@TheWelshViking It's probably due to elvish influence.
I mean, look at the wardrobe of King Thranduil and Lord Elrond.
Oh gosh, thank you so much for the shout! I am loving this video.
Deserved, so croeso!
That was a great video. Entertaining and informative. I'll now be able to make sure that my hubby 's medieval Godric Gryffindor costume will have a historically accurate silhouette, just like the ladies washroom sign. So much wonderful reference material. Got the badge. Thanks for sharing. Have a wonderful day.
That sounds absolutely glorious! Thank you for being here once again, Nancy :)
I did not expect Rob Liefeld to make an appearance in this video hahaha
Liefeld outta nowhere! No spine is safe! Pouches! Tiny feet!
20:50 - the golden lion on blue field reminds me of the kind of lions they have by dozens all over Belgium in general, and in eastern Flanders in particular, more precisely in a town called Zottegem. Considering this is a scene taking place during a 100 Years War, in which there had been quite a lot going on in Flanders, maybe, just maybe, some of the clergy guys seen on the right came from Flanders and was somehow involved in the business that was talked on over that banquet.
Oh, I wish I had kept notes now! I saw those three lions while I was working on a crest. Someone (sorry!) Had a lion and added a second in honor of his new wife's father. A third was added another generation later. The (next)new wife's family also had been using a single lion
The Wikipedia article on coats of arms for the Holy Roman Empire mentions "Azure a lion rampant Or, queue fourchée, armed and langued Gules, crowned Or" for the Duchy of Guelders from 1276-1378. What could be a forked tail shows pretty clearly in the TWV illustration. The Zottegem coat of arms's lion has a plain tail.
Just started watching... and I keep asking myself if he is going to show of his legs...
One can only hope!
Hi Jimmy! You are one of my favorite new costubers that I found this CoCoVid weekend, and my husband likes your videos too! Any chance you would want to do a video on Landsknecht at some point, both fighting and costumes? He wants me to make him an authentic costume and is also super interested in their fighting styles as well!
What a lovely compliment, thank you.
I would love to do something about landsknechten! Slashes everywhere, butts and calves all over the place! I’ll try to timetable that in soon ;)
Oh yes, medieval men's fashion ❤
This is a great motivation. I need to replace my blazer collection and have opted for late medieval men's... I guess you'd call them doublets, we'd call it "Schecken". They are the only thing that really goes with skinny jeans. Made one so far that works quite well (not the height of Burgundian fashion, but there is a lot of stuff in the urban well to do sphere that is very wearable), but I need more, mooore 😅
And also speculative Viking wrap jackets, of course.
Those shrug sleeves are really something, btw. I have them on a winter coat, trimmed with recycled fur, looks great.
Love the doc excising a hemorrhoid at 5:25, thanks for that. :D :D
...so that’s what he was doing! 🤔 😂
@@jackiedesiraye You can just see a word that looks suspiciously like "emeroid" above his head. I think the split stick is for keeping the poor guy's business spread out so he can see, and the massive knife is... yeah. You learn something new every day? O.O
@@sarar4901 thank the gods for modern medicine...
What I really noticed is that the patient's silhouette looks a bit too much horse-y.
5:15 You can't just gloss over what's going on in that picture!!!
I...I just can’t, Vee. I just can’t do it O_o
Medieval hemorrhoids treatment (and no I’m not joking)
It’s actually a fairly commonly depicted scene when showing medieval medicine/surgery. Fish often make there way into these scenes as well, though in truth this could just be cheeky inside jokes referring to sodomy. It’s hard to tell, it’s not like the artist are telling us what there meant in the scenes. But, is does seem to be the consensus that the scenes with doctors, butts, knives, and blood depict the removal of hemorrhoids.
I imagine that loots of horseback riding was a real contributor, kinda like cycling without bike shorts today can be.
You could just speculate that the bloke in the big picture is applying eye liner to the seated man, if so it puts a different perspective on the top picture 😂😂😂
Maybe the Welsh Viking Fashion House next?
Everything from Viking to Medieval!
I'm sure that it'd be a hit! 👍🏻👌🏻👏🏻
I do apologise.....the video of an Huey helicopter popped up, if there's a favourite sound next to a hard working steam locomotive, Rolls Royce Merlin, axes and swords in battle, it's the sound of the Huey.... we're back now "presses Play"....
Funny and informative in equal measure! 🤣 Who knew that skinny jeans were Mediaeval? 🤔
For those well defined calves sounds like everyday is leg day :)
Just a reminder that you had the idea of doing videos on the differences in dress between the different countries! (Didn’t want you to forget a good idea!)
Yes! Thank you Dawn! It’s on my ever-growing list :) It’s a deep old subject so it’ll happen, still in R and D at the minute though
In the penultimate image, of Le Roy de Fauncy by the Welsh colored stands, there is a lady among his followers - which I find very interesting!
Thank you for bringing us back in time. And lady’s toilet silhouette is definitely going to be a thing to pass on among my reenactment friends!
Late to the convo here - I just ordered new hose for my 10c Jutlander kit. My original hose, well made and fitted, was still too baggy for my taste. I'm a thicc dude and need to show off my manly curves more! So I contacted the hose-maker and we went back and forth for a bit (I learned a lot) and I've some new tighter hose coming for the Ribe-Dandy in me!
This was very informative thank you! Though I can’t help but wonder how you were planning on making a codpiece so ridiculous it would scare the clergy, were you going to make one shaped like the devils head, with horns and stuff?
I only just subscribed and caught up, but I love your demeanor and energy! You've managed to make this info very accessible and approachable, and I very much appreciate that. Looking forward to your next video! :)
Teela, that's so kind of you to say, thank you!
Every time I zoned out, you made me laugh and there I was back again.
Ladies' toilet silhouette XD You are hilarious and I absolutely love it. Very informative video - thank you! I happen to be reenacting 11th century but from the Slavic 'point of view'. And this video got me thinking about the norm in Slavic (West Slavic, to be precise) reenactment again - basically all the guys I've seen just wore regular, straight, long linen pants. AFAIK there are no finds of these, as there are basically no finds of clothing that would betray information as too its cut from this part of Europe (sob, sob). Why would Slavs wear these modern peasant pants if something totally different was fashionable everywhere else? But I admit menswear is terra incognita for me (now less, thanks to your video), so I don't want to make any claims. Anyway, I'm looking forward to your upcoming videos. It's so nice to have a CosTuber from the same era to watch ;) Oh, before I forget: a lil bit of pronunciation help. Maciejowski is pronounced something like machieyovski.
Oh great! My apologies for mispronouncing.
I know the pants you mean. I believe they’re based on the pants seen on Gotland picture stones showing Viking men in long, straight pants. But it’s highly unlikely they were linen, and they aren’t Slavic!
I’m so pleased this was interesting to you, how lovely of you to conment :)
I believe that rather than those Gotland stones (although the first Polish prince is believed to have had Viking personal guard, so we can't rule out the influence), this 'fashion' comes from the modern understanding of the concept of simple clothing, and the legacy of the romantic picture of medieval Slavs which largely equated them with peasants as the uncivilised, living close to nature, ritualistic kind of people. The idea itself of just wearing simple, basic clothing as a Slavic reenactor is valid though as we really lack sources, so this is a safe bet. Some would say that in this situation these areas should not be reenacted at all, but I disagree. We have an abundance of finds of everything from buildings through weapons and household items to jewellery and shoes and fragments of textiles. Fortunately the medieval Central Europe was not an isolated island inhabited by peoples of unknown origin, which enables us to - carefully - draw conclusions and parallels with the neighbouring cultures. So I think it's perfectly all right to portray a Western Slav dressed in what you believe is the most probable for them to have worn, as long as you are aware that these are but speculations, and can provide the reasoning behind your assumptions. Sadly, not many reenactors can, and thus we get peasant-inspired garb ;)
Fabulous 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 hope you do more of this I the future about other periods.
I shall try! Hopefully some slightly more focussed ones to come :)
Wonderful, informative, and really interesting video! I've always been more focused on the evolution of women's fashion, so thank you for expanding my knowledge about the men's side of things!
I have recently read the the women’s ‘henin’ (sp) was influenced by the fashion at the court of the Mongol emperor.
What a comprehensive synthesis! Wonderful work!
Thank you, Jimmy! I enjoyed it and learned a lot. I also enjoyed your comments as part of the Gents panel on CoCoVid. Please keep sharing!
Thank you, Christina! That’s so encouraging. I’ll certainly keep going :)
Love the videos, great job. A point about dyeing leather black, its realy easy. you can either use "vinegroon", which is vineger that has had iron sitting in it for a few days, or you can use the water from a blacksmiths slack tub. either of these will turn the leather gray , if you then oil it, it goes black. Ive just done some mudguards for an Edwardian motortrike using vinegroon method and they have turned out great. I'm Ex Regia myself and understand why black leather is discouraged, but its actualy one of the easiest ways of dyeing leather.
Great tip, thanks Haydn. I’ve actually used vinegaroon to make some sheaths!
Only reason I don’t mention it is I haven’t found any evidence for it in the Viking period. There’s mention of black shoes in Icelandic sagas, but we know how reliable they are! If you know of any pre-1500 sources for it I’d be really happy to have it, mind!
@@TheWelshViking I think it might have been Roly that told me about the slack tub water (I might be wrong).
@@haydneasy9736 *Hunts Roly on fb for clues*
@@TheWelshViking Roland Williamson, Regias business manager
This was great! Thanks!
You are so welcome! Thank you for watching my nonsense!
that was very interesting, i never realised how accurate the male costumes in ballets of romeo and juliet were with the hose lol
also you have a very soothing voice (also from one phd student to another, hope it's going well!)
True edutainment. I really enjoyed this even though this isn't a time period that normally interests me.
Can definitely tell this is an earlier video and its kinda great. Jimmy just being straight to the point and giving the info. No serious frill. As always though a great video and learning more then I ever did in schools.
Fantastic and informative video. I do wonder with the footed hose how often the feet ("socks") wore out compared to the rest of the hose and were replaced or repaired. I suppose I'll find out after I make some!
They do wear out! First they felt up, then eventually they get worn down, but it takes a while unless you wear them daily
Did some exist without feet or with "stirrups"?
@@CDKohmy I'm sure I've seen an image of some with stirrups, but I'm not sure exactly where...perhaps it was in his leg wrap video. 🤔
This was great! Really informative, and really amusing too :D
Thanks! I’m really glad :)
I'm new around here and trying to catch up. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE this style of presentation, showing your source, with the description you give clearly and concisely, it's amazing ❤️ you do however (problematically for me, but still wonderful for the world in general) focus on men's fashion, and I need to find exactly something like this for women's fashion. I have not yet found this. If you or any of your followers could point me to such a concise piece on women's attire, by yourself, or by anyone you would trust (I am intensely aware of the minefield of misinformation) I would be eternally grateful. I am focused especially on early period, 8th -11th century.
I know this is an old video, I'm just going to continue binging and hope... So much like, and subscribing
I like 9th - 10th century Northern European fashion, and sometimes I wear my hangerocs over modern teeshirts around town (without the early medieval swag, of course).
Bliauts, Cotehardies & Houppelandes are cool to look out, but I would not want to wear them. They seem like a lot of bother for the wearer.
Such great information. Also, thank you for adding all the images!
Rewatching: one of my favorites!
Omg this was hysterical and informative. I've been sharing with everyone. Thank you for doing this, it I will be pointing all of our new folks here
Maridith that’s so kind, thank you! Sharing is caring, as they say :)
Interesting! Do you have speculation about why the men's silhouette stayed so consistent for that long? Is it to maximize the fabric being functional to wear in those shapes?
Partly I think the general “tunic and hose” look was easy to wear, fix, and is quite reminiscent of Roman styles. Discussing this with Isabel Northwode Costumes, she also makes the point that they’re easy to pass down to kids, warm, and it’s versatile if your shape and size changes as well. So yeah, I reckon a few factors probably.
@@TheWelshViking I have a question, as a woman I can attest to it being reasonable that throughout history women have always wanted to look good. Not necessarily for anyone else, just because they/we like feeling pretty. I think that may be a huge motivator for women's fashion to change so frequently: someone decided to change, because she liked it, suddenly other liked it, so they changed, now it's the new norm.
My question is: do u think this was different for men? Do you think men almost just didn't care enough to try changing their looks? They found something that worked and until something better came around they were fine with sticking to the tried and true?
@@kathrynehiersche1817 Men's fashion being drab and boring dates only to the Regency period (Esquire has an article about Beau Brummel if you're interested). Men like to feel pretty too. I believe there is in fact a TED talk called "your boyfriend wants to feel pretty". I also follow female re-enactors/fashion historians and a recurring theme is how slowly women's fashion used to change compared to today.
If you want to get REALLY NERDY about psychological differences between men and women then I must recommend Delusions of Gender by Cordelia Fine.
@@krrez that sounds awesome! Thanks!
@@kathrynehiersche1817 I would point you to Karolina Zebrowski video on manly men. I think that answers your questions in spades 😀
Yessss I love all of this. I knew nearly 0% of this information so thank you so much for this video.
How lovely of you! Thank you right back!
Thought to ponder: is it co-incidence that the fashion shifted to longer tunics at the same time the Medieval Warm Period was ending? Did they just have cold legs?
Was just looking for an overview like this and couldn't find anything, so this is greatly appreciated!
The good ol' Public Washroom symbols - This toilet is for people who wear skirts or tunics, and this one is for people wearing trousers and shorter top-garments.
Also, Medieval drawings are delightfully discordant - some martyr doing jazz hands while being flayed.
12:24 Is that drawing indicating that the guy's tunic is semi-transparent? Or did some of the pigment sink (like lead white oil paint does)?
Styles by country would be incredible! I've only ever seen it by time period
Great video! (It was just the right length to fit between the two lives this evening and learn new information on the masculine silhouette.) 😊
Perfectly timed! ;)
That manly bliault looks like a modern belly dancers outfit... I love your pictures and references, so interesting!
This was equal parts fascinating and hilarious. Thank you for sharing your research!
Great overview. Thank you.
The images made me wonder on hair styles in mens, for the most part they had curly blonde hair
Kind of interesting the way that medieval garb has survived in academic dress, it was fun dressing up in my doctoral get up, with snazzy tudor bonnet.
Appreciate this. I'm making some garb for men (to loan), but the hose...those I can't figure out how to do a generic one size fits "most".
Must get on with the shirts, then the tunics.
Thank you. Stay safe and keep posting.
It's difficult, because they would have been fitted, but you can make a larger size, or a less fitted shape, that won't be perfect, but will do. The other issue is integral feet.
Thanks as well! :D
@@TheWelshViking good point. I could do a larger integral foot... A challenge for the future.
All success with the PhD!
You've mentioned it a few times, but I don't know the details. In what field are you pursuing your PhD? Have you a thesis subject defined? Maybe you've said in another video but I've not watched them all. I'm a TWV newbie. Old fart, I admit, but new to you.
I really love pre 14th century medieval armor and clothing. The long flowy tunics, surcoats, mail, all helmet designs.
Favorite helmets are the all the different nasal helmet styles, transitional/faceplate helmets, and great helms. Just wish we had more surviving artifacts from the 12th, 13th and 11th. Unfortunately I feel like the high medieval and early medieval period are less popular and people mostly just focus on the 14th and 15th. I understand why plate armor is interesting has cool designs, most media is based around then or even if not they still put plate armor in anyway.
This is awesome stuff! Thanks for sharing :-)
Nice to see some earlier medieval costuming, not only the 14th century styles everyone does. :)
I have always held though that skinny jeans are essentially medieval fashion revivals. Although I am not so sure about the absolute monotony of shoes. There are quite a few records in the Order of Preachers' ordinaria where there are friars being censured for their wild footwear following 'local fashions'. For example knee high boots in red for Spain! Then there is the endless yelling from Humbert de Romans about wildly pointy sleeves in England and to quote, 'long hoods that had points dragging on the ground.' Tut.
“Nice tight hose” out of context ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️🥂
Thank you. That was really interesting and fun.
Some great advice for time travelers here
I'm putting together a wardrobe for this summer, somewhere early to mid 14th century. I'm wondering whether it's too much to have a linen under tunic and a wool over tunic. Is it possible that people had an over tunic made of linen for the warmer weather?
I mean it's possible, but wool can be very fine as well
Thanks!
Weren't those Tudor hats called statute hats? For the statute that forced all men and women to wear them in order to support local labor? Where is Ruth Goodman when you need her...
This is old, and I don't know if anyone has said it yet, but that lion on a blue field in the feasting image is the heraldry of the Kingdom of Ruthenia
I love 15 century fashion
Did the fashions change with the Black Death? ie: was there a sudden change mid 14th century? Where was the fabric grain on those houppelandes? Were they using a bias cut? Any ideas on when bias cutting became a thing for hose?
Anyway...thank you for taking time from your PhD work to make these videos. My questions are just me being curious and I sort of ask everyone about these things because I haven’t been able to get the answers easily..🙄😌
You look good this episode jimmy😉🥲
And here I thought I was the only guy who growls at man with tight ass calfs. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
as a huge 19th century fashion nerd i will say france also very fashionable in that time, not sure abt people of the times perception of french fashion but personally ilove it
"The Ladies' Toilet Look"---perfect concept!
Very informative
Badge code... ntx94b
the golden lion is the venetian flag if anyone was wondering
The 14th Century look nailed it. After that it started getting a little ridiculous.
No text code for the badge? :( awesome video though! Super interesting learning about men's fashions as usually it's just all women's :)
Read the description carefully ;)
@@TheWelshViking okay :)
Hahaha. Thank you.
22:39 you say there are various names you’ve heard for that type of red coat. What are they? I like that style too but don’t know what kind of terms to use from them.
Question: Does the flayed tunic allow for riding a horse without it bunching up?
Yes please ITALY and Spain, and women’s clothing!?!?!! Your videos are absofreakinlutely fanfreakintasticly brilliant!
I loved your videos this weekend, and have subscribed to your channel.
Shawna that’s so kind, thank you
Ben Shapiro and everyone who has ever had a fit over Mr Styles in a dress at minute 4:33 :
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By the way... that looks amazing!