Asus Z790 Bios with Microcode update 129 for Intel Raptor Lake Instability videocardz.com/newz/asus-first-to-release-z790-bios-with-microcode-update-for-raptor-lake-instability-issue
Was the default LLC on your Apex Encore 3 prior to the new BIOS? It is on my cheaper motherboard and it is way worse than the LLC6 I go with to keep voltages and power low. If it was 3 at default then an increase in the default setting to LLC5 would help a lot with higher low use volts and stability issues.
After updating the BIOS and choosing the Intel profile, I tested on CIN R23, the performance of the core dropped to 3000 Hz, and so did the score. Why? CPU 14700
@@user-jv1vf4lc7x Select the intel extreme profile, enable XMP and apply some offset undervolt by CPU and if it was OK before it will be OK after. The new microcode gave me even more room for undervolting my 14700K and my 13600K as well, so now both my CPUs are faster and cooler.
I have the MSI Z790 Carbon Wifi motherboard and applied the new BIOS which works very well...Will not get anywhere near 1.6v!!! Though I always set a fixed vcore of 1.325v which is more than enough for an all core 5.6GHz and great performance. If I want performance durinmng testing I used 1.350v and a 320w limit, 41K Cinebench R23 multi thread score with temps in low 90's and vcore at 1.36v under load.
I enjoyed this video. It was informative. I downloaded and installed the latest Gigabyte bios update - F11C which was supposed to have Intel defaults. Shockingly it still doesn’t match what the specs say on Intels website for my CPU. I’ve never seen this level of incompetence between Mobo manufacturers and Intel.
Yep just updated my MSI Z790 Carbon Wifi and it worked perfectly. Though save yourself the hassle and jusyt go fixed vcore to 1.350v or lower, I go 1.325v and no issues whatsoever including temps. Oh and do update to the new BIOS, did not mean not to...But sdo not leave vcore to auto, go adaptive ofr fixed as you then will no for sureww your cpu is not boosting voiltage to absurd 1.5 or 1.6v levels.
@msg360 what board you have I have same problem with my mpg Z690 edge wifi ddr4 I'm afraid it's cause the box I have for it and every info dump I find on it only says supports gen 12 nothing about 13 or 14 but has the lga 1700 socket so idk the socket tells me it supports it but the box the board came in doesn't I'm new to the pc side of things just built mine a month ago so any info would be appreciated UPDATE found announcement from msi that there update some today mostly high-end boards right now but will continue to roll out updates for the rest by end of August
I'm still running the bios on my APEX Encore from January and have had 0 issues since then so I'm probably going to hold off on doing so IF I see any problems arise. I didn't abide by Intel's/Asus demented VID table and applied my AC/DC LL undervolt.
Still not sure why most people dont just go into the bios and set a fixed or adaptive vcore. For testing and getting good numbers I go 1.350v and a 320w limit getting 41K cinebench R23 with temps in check on a 360mm aio. For normal use 1.325v...no issues whatsoever. I think it's safer as the motherboard auto voltage settings are all over the place.
Im honestly debating to update my bios im on a very old bios (506) and had no problems. Im thinking if it ain't broke dont try and fix. But i obviously want to prevent and unnecessary damage.
One more question so my bios is old the first one B760 rog strix (using i5 13600k), so when I update microcode will I get update for 14th gen in microcode update too?
I don't know man, still looking kinda crazy in terms of voltage. I tweaked my 14900KF with 5.8GHz at all cores with 1.29V max voltage, and the other setting which I prefer even more is 5.5GHz with 1.24V max voltage. The drop in performance is slim to none, in R23 scores around 41k multi-threaded, don't care much about single-thread, pretty much everything is multi-threaded nowadays. But the drop in temps and the whole "degradation" thing is quite significant. I'd still get rid of those 6.2GHz cores and lock all on at least 5.8Ghz, the trade off is too much for those extra 0.4GHz, which are not used in most cases anyway. 1.5+V is just not okay.
"I don't know" And that is about as much as I need to hear. No one knows the exact amount of voltage which creates degradation. The 14900KS is binned and can handle up to 1.5v. If it couldn't then why would Intel even make this CPU? I'm not going to willingly gimp my own CPU just to spare Intel's blushes.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer If Intel really knew what they're doing, they would not have the current disaster. That was just a friendly suggestion/advise, kinda strange reaction, but whatever. Your choice. But there are basically two options: 1. Fix the damn thing yourself 2. Wait for the disaster to happen and be that guy that comments on every video that he's on XX day of RMA.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer 1.4v is safe, 1.4v to 1.5v is a risk zone dependent on the craziness of your cooling method and 1.5 to 1.6 is degradation. Intel took the risk, and they pay the price.
Hi, thanks a lot for showing that! I was hesitating to do that on my ROG 790I + 14900ks. one question though, did you press F5 to reset the bios to defauls after the flash, I m not sure if that needs to be done. I am asking because it does seem weird that ASUS default became Intel's.
Appreciate the video man. Still working through my issues with the 14900k. In talks with Intel for RMA. What overlay software are you using while playing Cyber?
what custom settings did you pick after the 1503 update ? I got a 13900ks my first 13900k got fried. I have not turned my pc on in 6 months fearing the ks will fry too…. I’m a bit of a noob when it comes to bios tweaking.
Im on old microcode and no plans for updating bios ... Tuned performance and thermals myself ... ACDC Loadline 28/55 LLC Medium , core offset -0.055 V , 253W PL1/PL2 ,CB23 score muti 39840k on gibabyte Z790 gaming X AX @ 13900K , no thermal throttle , stable as hell passing Ycrucher ,and CB 10 minutes and 30 minutes runs ...VID MAX never exceed 1.360V , VCORE MAX pek 1.380 .Amamzing performance and low temperatures !
@giovvanieotte I have the same processor as you, i9 13900k and motherboard ROG STRIX B760-A GAMING WIFI, could recommend how to do undervolt to maintain stability and avoid degradation and oxidation of the processor?
I didn't lose performance with the 0x129 microcode on 13600K and 14700K and the VIDs are a bit more consistent. MSI Bios didn't change from the last one and that's all the difference I noticed. Had no problems with my systems anyway.
my new I9 is coming monday and Im not sure if its worth it to update this. I need to edit a few videos before it goes nack.... I cant have any more crashing or instabality
Updated this morning on my Apex White and 14900KS. No issues so far, no performance loss to note. Interestingly my CPUZ was 996. Pretty margin of error for me.
That's strange every setting was factory, No XMP enabled, Intel Extreme profile was enabled, MCE was set to forced limits, and LLC was set to auto. What was you expecting to see different?
@Bang4BuckPCGamer Because it loads the instructs from the new BIOS inckuding the Intel microcodr. Do it again. Flash... reboot.... load Defaults F5.... reboot.
I have never updated my bios do I need to update some version before new microcode or is this microcode all I need? (Still waiting for b760 motherboards update)
With this microcode update, is it safe to purchase a new 14 series Intel or are there still doubts fixes to be expected in the future (newer bios, newer improved silicon batches etc). I am about to build a new rig and don't wanna go AMD. Ty in adavance
Well currently the peak voltage i seen on my cpu has been 1.29 on my 13900kf after getting a replacment after my other one died this will truely tell if its a voltage issue or another flaw within the cpu if my current cpu dies.
Asus is on the ball and there bios have been the best so far. Even the last one a few months ago somehow helped even if nothing crazy but just saying asus seems to really get these bios down. People really got onto asus rarlier this generation but I find it funny they seem to be handling intel and nvidia stuff better then anyone else.
Funny how jayztwocents didn’t even touch on this in his microcode update video because he’s boycotting Asus. I understand that he’s a strong consumer advocate and Asus deserves backlash - but they should be given an opportunity to rectify their image too, IMO.
@@BLACK_POWER02 0x129 is meant to be the microscode that stops the cpu from requesting excessive voltage. This is thought to be one of the main causes of CPU degradation
Hey can I just point out one thing, you are saying that its less than what it "should" be. Keep in mind that these speeds we are getting now are what they should have been when they released. The fact that we are now under control and seeing safe voltages means that the silicone was not meant for those speeds and were always considered OC levels of performance.. Just cause it can doesnt mean you should for long periods of time (which is what was happening by default). The safe speeds were 320 watt with certain boost timings on P0 and P1. The fact that was never in there in the beginning meant that we were always going to get better performance at the cost of the CPU's life span. - I lost my 13900kf to this degradation issue recently and had it warrantied by my reseller here in NZ but absolutely these speeds are not what they should have been from factory. Think of it as an accidental free OC without being told its an OC. Its a huge problem on Intels side for not communicating correctly to their partners around this and now that they are bringing the voltages down and back into line in a STOCK fashion, a loss of performance is not only expected its literal physics. :)
@@theicewitch9328 I hate to say it but it might be too late if you’re already using the i9 14900k. Intel says this should fix it, but they never said it would be a beta, so it’s a bait and switch. I guess we’ll see.
@@jeffamunoz mine is still in the box, new rma replacement. Got a 14700k on the way tomorrow, im in fear to put that in my b760i board because there's no microcode update for that.. I have a z790i but i dont trust the beta, i think ill wait for both official releases.
should i upgrade for my i7 14700k with this beta bios 1503 i am currently on 1402 for my asus rog strix z790 gaming f wifi 2 or should i wait for the official version.
Before updating you should also run benchmarks along with hwinfo to have a more complete comparison. I Very much believe after seeing this that thats a gimmick update. Nothing really changed and it's the logical thing since it was all about poor hardware quality control.
@@s3rm0n56 You are so right! I just watched a video where the creator was trying to intentionally messed up the voltages on his 14900K, so that he would fail cinebench, and after that he was complaining that the intel evaluation tool wasn't failing and intel was trying to cheat him!!! We are doomed...
I've had my 13900k since late 2022 around December/January, recently had my first and only bsod with error KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED not sure if this is a CPU issue? I have msi z790 carbon wifi as my motherboard 6400 mhz ddr5 ram. Kind of a noob in regards to a lot of PC stuff only really know to enable xmp in bios etc , also my system is from an SI company my limited warranty is expired the system is great just had one bluescreen and want to get ahead of the CPU dying :(
No, turn off the fast start option. It could also be a software problem. If your CPU is dying, you will get an error saying: Not enough video memory while trying to assign a texture! Make sure your Video Card has the minimum memory required.
I’m hoping this actually works. I’m surprised it’s only a beta bios I’m not sure if I should do anything yet. My situation is: Got a 13900KS they’re giving me 540quid and imma get a 14900KS but it all depends on the bios update, I want to have a brand new 14900KS and put it in my system so I know 100% the microcode update prevents degradation on their most golden chip. If not I will definitely sue them, this shit can’t fly it’s on my work machine!
I am on latest none beta bios from july on my apex not encore , and have 13900ks never had stability problems but updated the bios in july , before and after I done that never have max vid request reaching 1.5 volt max was 1,486 , and I done down volt offcet of 0.05 and put 2 cores to 6.2 boost running stable 24/7 , cinebench 23 over 40500 ,my sp is 107, max volt I seen is 1.43 volt after tweaking and max temprature 85 dgree , though using Arctic Liquid Freezer 420mm III
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer I am watching on a 24" 2k monitor (native resolution). The app text is only really readable if I run the video full screen......which I rarely like doing. Your capture software should give you the ability to zoom in randomly on a hot key.
Hello, I have updated this to beta bios 1503 with the new microcode 129 on my z790 apex encore. My previous bios settings are loading without issues, but I notice a nice drop in voltage. Previously my CPU was overclocked at 6.2 GHz all pcores and 4.8 ecores were using 1.42v by having auto voltage set into the bios, with the new bios it dropped the voltage to 1.33. So far, so good, all my tests passed. I will do a video on my channel as well with some Cyberpunk 2077.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer Thank you kindly, much appreciated. I do have an issue with Cyberpunk 2077 where my GPU is not utilized 100% at 4K resolution by using DLSS on quality mod. By using DLAA there is no issue. It could be due to the graphic mods that I am using, have no idea, but even so the game is playable.
If it's not from your Motherboards website, don't do it. I'm on my ROG STRIX Z790 Maximus Hero drivers site and don't see this update on it., I'll wait, fam.
Quick question, with a liquid freezer 360 AIO and a 13900k. How high should I be able to OC the p-cores? Would you recommend an all core clock or use the velocity boost to boost extra on the two best cores? Thanks!
Honestly, these next line of CPUs are not that impressive compared to what we already have. Now if someone was on some older like Ryzen 3000 or on an Intel 9900k or something then I could see people being interested in these new CPUs. But I'm fine with my 13900kf, 7800X3D, and 5800X3D at least for the foreseeable future. But that 5090 and possible titan I want those in my systems ASAP.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer same i'm not about to do a whole new PC build not until at least 2026 or 2028, ill keep my 14900k for at least 4-5 yeas then upgrade to the latest AI chips and DDR6 which is said to come out sometime in 2026-2028. RTX 5090 with DDR7 seems like the only logical upgrade for people who want more gaming performance and or 3D rendering in 4k with Path tracing.
To push beyond 36k you’d need to disable CEP and manually tweak AC/DC to 0.55mohm or less (bin depending. I’m on the 129 microcode with 14900k, and this bios and 1402 scores just 36k in R23 and my CPU-Z single core score is barely over 900. Not sure what tweaks bang4buck did to get his performance back. I’ve not disabled CEP myself though since it was recommended by Intel.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamerfor me on rog z690-I my vids was not to crazy I could so 6ghz @1.45v but when I looked at VROut it show spikes of 1.53v mabye it’s a bug in the micro cod they we’re talking about because vid request never showed 1.53v on any of the cores
I updated to this BIOS and get between 35-37k on cinebench r23 on the multicore score, any tips on how to increase this safely? temps are max 90 LLC = 5 now with their "intel extreme profile", more like "intel's lying scam protection enabled" and performance is lower due to cap on power outage and probably lower voltages gimping my 13900ks
Buildzoid had a video recently setting AC/DC to .55 and LLC to high and then undervolting, I get 40k on cinebench r23 and never go over 1.35v at any time or over 90c at full load..... Everything else stock on exteme profile from last month's bios update on a gigabyte board
@@dizzyfist7 i would asap . My gut says we are witnessing a combination of industrial espionage . Specificallya countermeasure . Coupled with planned obsolence . To be plain yes update . No overclocking frequencies. Thats my gut . To answer plainly i had one unexplained game crash . But i dont think it was the cpu .. otherwise increased performance or same performance.
@@mikepict9011 I see. Thank you for sharing. Also, do you see temp differences between your old BIOS and the new one you updated to? Mostly while under heavy load. Any voltage changes compared to your old BIOS?
@@dizzyfist7 ill dive deeper tonight. Thermals aren'tthe problem. Its these rougue voltage spikes that are so fast they dont even leave a trace unless your lookingreal close at volts . I saw 1.8v idle for like 1 nano second. Thats your lightning
Also, new microcode update only for Z790? What about Z690? It supports 13 and 14 gen Intel. Have Z690 owners ever reported problems and failures with 13-14 Intels? If so, then the problem is not in the processors themselves, they are at good quality. The problem is in the Bios settings of Z790 itself.
I have a Prime Z690-A and I haven't had any crashes at all. I recently heard about these Intel issues, and I'm scared because i also have a 13th gen (i5-13600KF) CPU. But I'm not sure if I should try to fix something that seems not be broken? Edit: for the record, no August BIOS update yet for this motherboard.
@@gamenmetjj I am in a similar situation. Also, I have undervolting settings in the bios and everything works fine. I would prefer to update the microcode by software, without updating the bios, but I do not know how to do this.
Asus Z790 Bios with Microcode update 129 for Intel Raptor Lake Instability
videocardz.com/newz/asus-first-to-release-z790-bios-with-microcode-update-for-raptor-lake-instability-issue
I hate flashing bios, I avoid it at all costs.
Was the default LLC on your Apex Encore 3 prior to the new BIOS?
It is on my cheaper motherboard and it is way worse than the LLC6 I go with to keep voltages and power low.
If it was 3 at default then an increase in the default setting to LLC5 would help a lot with higher low use volts and stability issues.
After updating the BIOS and choosing the Intel profile, I tested on CIN R23, the performance of the core dropped to 3000 Hz, and so did the score. Why? CPU 14700
@@user-jv1vf4lc7x Select the intel extreme profile, enable XMP and apply some offset undervolt by CPU and if it was OK before it will be OK after. The new microcode gave me even more room for undervolting my 14700K and my 13600K as well, so now both my CPUs are faster and cooler.
I have the MSI Z790 Carbon Wifi motherboard and applied the new BIOS which works very well...Will not get anywhere near 1.6v!!! Though I always set a fixed vcore of 1.325v which is more than enough for an all core 5.6GHz and great performance. If I want performance durinmng testing I used 1.350v and a 320w limit, 41K Cinebench R23 multi thread score with temps in low 90's and vcore at 1.36v under load.
I enjoyed this video. It was informative. I downloaded and installed the latest Gigabyte bios update - F11C which was supposed to have Intel defaults. Shockingly it still doesn’t match what the specs say on Intels website for my CPU. I’ve never seen this level of incompetence between Mobo manufacturers and Intel.
never get Gigabyte bios with the letters, those are super early beta versions.
You shouldn't monitor VID,
Core voltage (vcore in monitoring application) is what counts. Because that's what is actually fed to the CPU v rail
Would a maximum VID of 1,229 be too much?
Daam that's CP77 background 🔥
MSI released a beta of the BIOS with microcode 0x129 as well.
Waiting for MSI to release it for my 14900k, they release it for some of the MSI boards but not all of them
msi have updated theirs
Yep just updated my MSI Z790 Carbon Wifi and it worked perfectly. Though save yourself the hassle and jusyt go fixed vcore to 1.350v or lower, I go 1.325v and no issues whatsoever including temps. Oh and do update to the new BIOS, did not mean not to...But sdo not leave vcore to auto, go adaptive ofr fixed as you then will no for sureww your cpu is not boosting voiltage to absurd 1.5 or 1.6v levels.
@@marcclarion6586 not all of them, I have a Z690 and its still says Bios from July not Augs
@@vMaxHeadroom still waiting on the one for me mother board
@msg360 what board you have I have same problem with my mpg Z690 edge wifi ddr4 I'm afraid it's cause the box I have for it and every info dump I find on it only says supports gen 12 nothing about 13 or 14 but has the lga 1700 socket so idk the socket tells me it supports it but the box the board came in doesn't I'm new to the pc side of things just built mine a month ago so any info would be appreciated UPDATE found announcement from msi that there update some today mostly high-end boards right now but will continue to roll out updates for the rest by end of August
I'm still running the bios on my APEX Encore from January and have had 0 issues since then so I'm probably going to hold off on doing so IF I see any problems arise. I didn't abide by Intel's/Asus demented VID table and applied my AC/DC LL undervolt.
No point waiting to IF... when you start seeing problems its too late.
One could always cap VID with IA VR Voltage Limit and set that limit to a low number
@We_Are_I_Am true however it is something not alot of people were aware about up until recently so for alot of people it's too late
Still not sure why most people dont just go into the bios and set a fixed or adaptive vcore. For testing and getting good numbers I go 1.350v and a 320w limit getting 41K cinebench R23 with temps in check on a 360mm aio. For normal use 1.325v...no issues whatsoever. I think it's safer as the motherboard auto voltage settings are all over the place.
I've benn on bios 0801 apex encore, never have had a problem with manual tunning but I might upgrade just to air on the side of cuation
Im honestly debating to update my bios im on a very old bios (506) and had no problems. Im thinking if it ain't broke dont try and fix. But i obviously want to prevent and unnecessary damage.
Wait a bit more. If it doesn't fix anything for people, don't update. Your approach is fine: "Don't fix it if it isn't broken."
What CPU do you have and what's the max voltage hitting it on the default bios?
You don't need to update if you're manual overclock and your settings are safe. Update is only for stock settings people.
I'm exactly where you are, just waiting to see what happens.
My thinking exactly
waiting for gigabyte to update z790 motherboards for my 14900k... Can someone let me know when they post it?
they too slow because no many good software engeneers they have , their greediness make their warrenty claims and bios update too slow .
One more question so my bios is old the first one B760 rog strix (using i5 13600k), so when I update microcode will I get update for 14th gen in microcode update too?
Yes the latest bios will come with Intel 14th gen support.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamerHello 12 gen ?. I have i7 12700k
I don't know man, still looking kinda crazy in terms of voltage. I tweaked my 14900KF with 5.8GHz at all cores with 1.29V max voltage, and the other setting which I prefer even more is 5.5GHz with 1.24V max voltage. The drop in performance is slim to none, in R23 scores around 41k multi-threaded, don't care much about single-thread, pretty much everything is multi-threaded nowadays. But the drop in temps and the whole "degradation" thing is quite significant. I'd still get rid of those 6.2GHz cores and lock all on at least 5.8Ghz, the trade off is too much for those extra 0.4GHz, which are not used in most cases anyway. 1.5+V is just not okay.
"I don't know" And that is about as much as I need to hear. No one knows the exact amount of voltage which creates degradation. The 14900KS is binned and can handle up to 1.5v. If it couldn't then why would Intel even make this CPU? I'm not going to willingly gimp my own CPU just to spare Intel's blushes.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer If Intel really knew what they're doing, they would not have the current disaster. That was just a friendly suggestion/advise, kinda strange reaction, but whatever. Your choice. But there are basically two options:
1. Fix the damn thing yourself
2. Wait for the disaster to happen and be that guy that comments on every video that he's on XX day of RMA.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer 1.4v is safe, 1.4v to 1.5v is a risk zone dependent on the craziness of your cooling method and 1.5 to 1.6 is degradation. Intel took the risk, and they pay the price.
I am very happy for them to pay the price if anything should happen. I have multiple PC's with AMD CPU's, so my down time would be very comfortable.
@@Bang4BuckPCGameri9-13980HX, is a laptop CPU with the same die as a 13900K. 1.43volts max and at 130 watts, matches a 13700K in perfomance.
Hi, thanks a lot for showing that! I was hesitating to do that on my ROG 790I + 14900ks. one question though, did you press F5 to reset the bios to defauls after the flash, I m not sure if that needs to be done. I am asking because it does seem weird that ASUS default became Intel's.
Appreciate the video man. Still working through my issues with the 14900k. In talks with Intel for RMA. What overlay software are you using while playing Cyber?
The software is a called MSI Afterburner and Riva Tuner Statistics server
what settings did you change to get your performance back? as im on the z790 dark hero thanks
@@emirmisel2446 turn off CEP
@@TorreyCTX only that? in bios we have to CEP - IA CEP and SA CEP.
@@TorreyCTX Should we be turning that off? is it worth it?
@@driftwize yes
Is this bios update and microcode needed for the 13600kf i5 processor?
what custom settings did you pick after the 1503 update ? I got a 13900ks my first 13900k got fried. I have not turned my pc on in 6 months fearing the ks will fry too…. I’m a bit of a noob when it comes to bios tweaking.
Can I skip 0X125 Microcode and Upgrade directly from 1202 BIOS to 1503BIOS ? I saw now it not beta anymore
Yes you can just go to the latest bios
I actually gained 1k score in cinebench 23 after the update lol
Im on old microcode and no plans for updating bios ... Tuned performance and thermals myself ... ACDC Loadline 28/55 LLC Medium , core offset -0.055 V , 253W PL1/PL2 ,CB23 score muti 39840k on gibabyte Z790 gaming X AX @ 13900K , no thermal throttle , stable as hell passing Ycrucher ,and CB 10 minutes and 30 minutes runs ...VID MAX never exceed 1.360V , VCORE MAX pek 1.380 .Amamzing performance and low temperatures !
@giovvanieotte I have the same processor as you, i9 13900k and motherboard ROG STRIX B760-A GAMING WIFI, could recommend how to do undervolt to maintain stability and avoid degradation and oxidation of the processor?
I didn't lose performance with the 0x129 microcode on 13600K and 14700K and the VIDs are a bit more consistent. MSI Bios didn't change from the last one and that's all the difference I noticed. Had no problems with my systems anyway.
Same, no issues with the new microcode but i5 is less affected by the bug as it uses lower voltage.
I saw that the temperature went from 38 to 33 after you updated the bios :O did you notice it mr bang4buck?
No I didn't notice that, Fans tend to be at max after a bios update so that could be a reason.
my new I9 is coming monday and Im not sure if its worth it to update this. I need to edit a few videos before it goes nack.... I cant have any more crashing or instabality
Updated this morning on my Apex White and 14900KS. No issues so far, no performance loss to note. Interestingly my CPUZ was 996. Pretty margin of error for me.
@TalonsTech That is positive news. I'm glad to hear it.
You didn't reset your bios to factory standards in the beginning. You press F5 after you press F1 and when you're in the bios
That's strange every setting was factory, No XMP enabled, Intel Extreme profile was enabled, MCE was set to forced limits, and LLC was set to auto. What was you expecting to see different?
@Bang4BuckPCGamer Because it loads the instructs from the new BIOS inckuding the Intel microcodr.
Do it again.
Flash... reboot.... load Defaults F5.... reboot.
every bios update resets the settings !
@@heavyweather4893 no it saves some of the settings in my case
I have never updated my bios do I need to update some version before new microcode or is this microcode all I need? (Still waiting for b760 motherboards update)
You can just jump straight to the latest bios version available.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer Thank you!
new microcode update only for Z790 now
@@user-cn1qw5mm3j There is also for B760 now
@@user-cn1qw5mm3j From today for B760 too.
With this microcode update, is it safe to purchase a new 14 series Intel or are there still doubts fixes to be expected in the future (newer bios, newer improved silicon batches etc). I am about to build a new rig and don't wanna go AMD. Ty in adavance
Well currently the peak voltage i seen on my cpu has been 1.29 on my 13900kf after getting a replacment after my other one died this will truely tell if its a voltage issue or another flaw within the cpu if my current cpu dies.
how is your 14900ks not reaching 95? mine is 100 whenever i launch a game, and how your CB is 39k lol, mine is 34k
Because I have custom water cooling. th-cam.com/users/shortsOGzpV3DkmGo
Temps above 90°C are not fine
I had to turn off turbo boost , the only way to have my temps low.
@@knigghtmare or get a better cooler lol 90s is fine on a heavy cpu app
So what settings do we adjust ? MCE ? Intel Defaults everywhere ?
Asus is on the ball and there bios have been the best so far. Even the last one a few months ago somehow helped even if nothing crazy but just saying asus seems to really get these bios down.
People really got onto asus rarlier this generation but I find it funny they seem to be handling intel and nvidia stuff better then anyone else.
bios down.. you mean snake oil .
Yes I hav a asrock and asus and if any is sus asus is always realesing new bios unlike asrock
Funny how jayztwocents didn’t even touch on this in his microcode update video because he’s boycotting Asus. I understand that he’s a strong consumer advocate and Asus deserves backlash - but they should be given an opportunity to rectify their image too, IMO.
@@emiliovalencia1618 Or don't watch the main stream nonsense.
have you see the GOW Ragnarok system requirement...need almost 200 gb of storage
That is huge.
Would it be possible for you to share the tweaks you did to regain some performance back ?
5 minutes of Cinebench is not like 2 hours of rendering in UE 5. or a copy and paste of large files with a Windows decoration.
This BIOS update didn't fix the shader/decompressing issue in UE5 games. So back to P core multiplier x54.... Sigh.
I updated in microcode 0x125, do I need to really update 0x129?
@@BLACK_POWER02 0x129 is meant to be the microscode that stops the cpu from requesting excessive voltage. This is thought to be one of the main causes of CPU degradation
Hey can I just point out one thing, you are saying that its less than what it "should" be. Keep in mind that these speeds we are getting now are what they should have been when they released.
The fact that we are now under control and seeing safe voltages means that the silicone was not meant for those speeds and were always considered OC levels of performance.. Just cause it can doesnt mean you should for long periods of time (which is what was happening by default). The safe speeds were 320 watt with certain boost timings on P0 and P1. The fact that was never in there in the beginning meant that we were always going to get better performance at the cost of the CPU's life span. - I lost my 13900kf to this degradation issue recently and had it warrantied by my reseller here in NZ but absolutely these speeds are not what they should have been from factory.
Think of it as an accidental free OC without being told its an OC. Its a huge problem on Intels side for not communicating correctly to their partners around this and now that they are bringing the voltages down and back into line in a STOCK fashion, a loss of performance is not only expected its literal physics. :)
Can BIOS Flashback be done with CPU and RAM installed?
Can someone please confirm this beta bios will prevent my 14900k from degrading?
@@theicewitch9328 I hate to say it but it might be too late if you’re already using the i9 14900k. Intel says this should fix it, but they never said it would be a beta, so it’s a bait and switch. I guess we’ll see.
@@jeffamunoz mine is still in the box, new rma replacement. Got a 14700k on the way tomorrow, im in fear to put that in my b760i board because there's no microcode update for that.. I have a z790i but i dont trust the beta, i think ill wait for both official releases.
should i upgrade for my i7 14700k with this beta bios 1503 i am currently on 1402 for my asus rog strix z790 gaming f wifi 2 or should i wait for the official version.
Hello. Official version. I have i7 12700k and asus rog strix z690-a d4 gaming wifi
Hello!
Is your cpu delidded? Are you using an AIO or custom loop or direct die for those temps? Best regards from Portugal!
No my CPU is not delidded. I just have custom water cooling th-cam.com/users/shortsOGzpV3DkmGo
Great video thx, can i ask what program gives you all those stats while gaming in cyberpunk on the right.
The software is a called MSI Afterburner and Riva Tuner Statistics server
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer Ok, thx very much for info, cheers
That was quick, thanks !
Only 1010 single thread performance points even on 14900KS... My 12600K gives 840. It seems I'm underestimating the power of my little boy too much.
Вообщем в играх я не заметил не какой разницы у вас до и после обновления биос.как было в среднем 1.40в напряжение так и осталось.
Before updating you should also run benchmarks along with hwinfo to have a more complete comparison. I Very much believe after seeing this that thats a gimmick update. Nothing really changed and it's the logical thing since it was all about poor hardware quality control.
I did th-cam.com/video/JCqlurCbkBg/w-d-xo.html
this update is applying their baseline profile from june guides lol
The intel defaults per my temps on 13900k,,,I can switch back to asus optimized and everything works fine and lower temps..weird
my i9 13900k has been crashing every single time i play a game with xmp on😥forced to game at base ram speed
Did it crash or freeze after the update? For example, do you have problems in games when you go to 6.2 GHz speeds like before ?
I didn't have problems before, who told you that? And so far things have been stable but I will need to spend some more time testing it.
Not everybody has had issues, the insane amount of clickbait fear mongering would lead you to think every single CPU is now a paper weight
@@s3rm0n56 You are so right! I just watched a video where the creator was trying to intentionally messed up the voltages on his 14900K, so that he would fail cinebench, and after that he was complaining that the intel evaluation tool wasn't failing and intel was trying to cheat him!!! We are doomed...
I've had my 13900k since late 2022 around December/January, recently had my first and only bsod with error KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED not sure if this is a CPU issue? I have msi z790 carbon wifi as my motherboard 6400 mhz ddr5 ram. Kind of a noob in regards to a lot of PC stuff only really know to enable xmp in bios etc , also my system is from an SI company my limited warranty is expired the system is great just had one bluescreen and want to get ahead of the CPU dying :(
No, turn off the fast start option. It could also be a software problem.
If your CPU is dying, you will get an error saying: Not enough video memory while trying to assign a texture! Make sure your Video Card has the minimum memory required.
I’m hoping this actually works. I’m surprised it’s only a beta bios I’m not sure if I should do anything yet.
My situation is: Got a 13900KS they’re giving me 540quid and imma get a 14900KS but it all depends on the bios update, I want to have a brand new 14900KS and put it in my system so I know 100% the microcode update prevents degradation on their most golden chip.
If not I will definitely sue them, this shit can’t fly it’s on my work machine!
I am on latest none beta bios from july on my apex not encore , and have 13900ks never had stability problems but updated the bios in july , before and after I done that never have max vid request reaching 1.5 volt max was 1,486 , and I done down volt offcet of 0.05 and put 2 cores to 6.2 boost running stable 24/7 , cinebench 23 over 40500 ,my sp is 107, max volt I seen is 1.43 volt after tweaking and max temprature 85 dgree , though using Arctic Liquid Freezer 420mm III
Hmm i get like around 80+ in Cyperpunk?
That is normal depending on your cooling solution. I have custom water cooling th-cam.com/users/shortsOGzpV3DkmGo
Can someone share best settings for msi mobo?
I don't know if the Intel boss will be able to pay for them to do BIOS updates for long.
@@laurentkhiati783 lmao
Please zoom in on the apps on your desktop so wee can see them better.
This video is for people who own a desktop PC. Not everything is comfortable on a mobile device. Watch it on a monitor when you can.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer I am watching on a 24" 2k monitor (native resolution). The app text is only really readable if I run the video full screen......which I rarely like doing. Your capture software should give you the ability to zoom in randomly on a hot key.
You are the only one complaining, I can't please everyone.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer not a complaint, just a kind suggestion is all.
Do you undervolt at all?
Hello,
I have updated this to beta bios 1503 with the new microcode 129 on my z790 apex encore. My previous bios settings are loading without issues, but I notice a nice drop in voltage. Previously my CPU was overclocked at 6.2 GHz all pcores and 4.8 ecores were using 1.42v by having auto voltage set into the bios, with the new bios it dropped the voltage to 1.33. So far, so good, all my tests passed. I will do a video on my channel as well with some Cyberpunk 2077.
@@BMAR92 I'm glad it worked out for you.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer Thank you kindly, much appreciated. I do have an issue with Cyberpunk 2077 where my GPU is not utilized 100% at 4K resolution by using DLSS on quality mod. By using DLAA there is no issue. It could be due to the graphic mods that I am using, have no idea, but even so the game is playable.
But what cooler you using ?
I use custom water cooling th-cam.com/users/shortsOGzpV3DkmGo
Tyvm for the vid.
How did you screen capture your BIOS?
I have the Elgato 4K X capture card
If it's not from your Motherboards website, don't do it. I'm on my ROG STRIX Z790 Maximus Hero drivers site and don't see this update on it., I'll wait, fam.
Check again
I have (Update CPU Microcode 0x129) in description of the new bios update for my msi z790 Carbon (7D89v1D1)
Did you think is the same correctif ?
Yes, it's the same.
1.523 volts is insane
@@steveroberts4040 new ryzen 9000 = up to 1.475V
@@ion4290 My 7800X3D doesnt go past 1.128
@@steveroberts4040 vcore o vid ?
@@steveroberts4040Oh, similar to my 12700K, 1.17volts at 4.7GHz (slightly higher).
@@steveroberts4040 you don't know how to measure correctly
Quick question, with a liquid freezer 360 AIO and a 13900k. How high should I be able to OC the p-cores? Would you recommend an all core clock or use the velocity boost to boost extra on the two best cores? Thanks!
At stock it will be at 5.5GHz and boost to 5.8GHz, so it would be reasonable to try for 5.7GHz all core boost.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer but at full load (like cinebench) it wouldn't be able to keep those clock with the E cores also at full load?
Is it safe to update the bios even if is in beta version?
The beta version is on the official Asus website, I don't think a manufacturer is going to release something that isn't safe.
Great u showed this. Will u purchase the 9800x3d or any Ryzen 9000 series CPU?
I only really have plans to buy the RTX 5090. I'm ok with my CPU situation at the moment.
Honestly, these next line of CPUs are not that impressive compared to what we already have. Now if someone was on some older like Ryzen 3000 or on an Intel 9900k or something then I could see people being interested in these new CPUs. But I'm fine with my 13900kf, 7800X3D, and 5800X3D at least for the foreseeable future. But that 5090 and possible titan I want those in my systems ASAP.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer same i'm not about to do a whole new PC build not until at least 2026 or 2028, ill keep my 14900k for at least 4-5 yeas then upgrade to the latest AI chips and DDR6 which is said to come out sometime in 2026-2028. RTX 5090 with DDR7 seems like the only logical upgrade for people who want more gaming performance and or 3D rendering in 4k with Path tracing.
@@XxViciousxX Same keeping my 14900k and wont do a whole new PC build until at least 2026-2028
Do you know anything about when Gigabyte will release the bios update for the z790?
Unfortunately no. Since MSI and Asus have released theirs, I wouldn't expect it to be a long wait.
Have you delid your CPU ? My score Don't go more than 36-37k
@david55200 No, my CPU is not delided
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer so i have probleme with my 13900ks. My score is 37 at the best. I m trying to champ my thermal silver pad.
To push beyond 36k you’d need to disable CEP and manually tweak AC/DC to 0.55mohm or less (bin depending. I’m on the 129 microcode with 14900k, and this bios and 1402 scores just 36k in R23 and my CPU-Z single core score is barely over 900. Not sure what tweaks bang4buck did to get his performance back. I’ve not disabled CEP myself though since it was recommended by Intel.
@@MhillPlays hi, i tryed to play with this value, i don't success to get better perf... What value i must use for LLC 3 or 4 ?
Why not look at vcore and VROut vid dosent really matter ?
VID is the voltage request, that is what this bios was supposed to fix. So that is what I focused on.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamerfor me on rog z690-I my vids was not to crazy I could so 6ghz @1.45v but when I looked at VROut it show spikes of 1.53v mabye it’s a bug in the micro cod they we’re talking about because vid request never showed 1.53v on any of the cores
I updated to this BIOS and get between 35-37k on cinebench r23 on the multicore score, any tips on how to increase this safely? temps are max 90
LLC = 5 now with their "intel extreme profile", more like "intel's lying scam protection enabled" and performance is lower due to cap on power outage and probably lower voltages gimping my 13900ks
You could try undervolting, but it's a lot of trial and error.
@@Bang4BuckPCGamer ok thanks will try that
Buildzoid had a video recently setting AC/DC to .55 and LLC to high and then undervolting, I get 40k on cinebench r23 and never go over 1.35v at any time or over 90c at full load..... Everything else stock on exteme profile from last month's bios update on a gigabyte board
Bad experience with betasbios 🤦♂️
I got my msi micro code bios update yesterday
Any instability issues with the new BIOS?
Asking because I have a MSI z790 tomahawk and want to know if I should update my BIOS or not
@@dizzyfist7 i would asap . My gut says we are witnessing a combination of industrial espionage . Specificallya countermeasure . Coupled with planned obsolence . To be plain yes update . No overclocking frequencies. Thats my gut . To answer plainly i had one unexplained game crash . But i dont think it was the cpu .. otherwise increased performance or same performance.
@@mikepict9011 I wish it were that. In reality, Intel is a highly incompetent company now..
@@mikepict9011 I see. Thank you for sharing. Also, do you see temp differences between your old BIOS and the new one you updated to? Mostly while under heavy load. Any voltage changes compared to your old BIOS?
@@dizzyfist7 ill dive deeper tonight. Thermals aren'tthe problem. Its these rougue voltage spikes that are so fast they dont even leave a trace unless your lookingreal close at volts . I saw 1.8v idle for like 1 nano second. Thats your lightning
Also, new microcode update only for Z790? What about Z690? It supports 13 and 14 gen Intel. Have Z690 owners ever reported problems and failures with 13-14 Intels?
If so, then the problem is not in the processors themselves, they are at good quality. The problem is in the Bios settings of Z790 itself.
I have a Prime Z690-A and I haven't had any crashes at all.
I recently heard about these Intel issues, and I'm scared because i also have a 13th gen (i5-13600KF) CPU. But I'm not sure if I should try to fix something that seems not be broken?
Edit: for the record, no August BIOS update yet for this motherboard.
@@gamenmetjj I am in a similar situation. Also, I have undervolting settings in the bios and everything works fine. I would prefer to update the microcode by software, without updating the bios, but I do not know how to do this.
]just buy amd!
Boost is OVERRATED. Stability is needed and it is under rated until you don't have it then it is everything.
1.5volt is to hige
If I remember correctly the CPU can handle 1.72 volt. The problem is with the spikes with can be only be measured correctly with an oscilloscope.
@@CipotalpNo sillicon can handle +1.5 volts.