I desperately wanted to fall in love with this after the excellent original, but it feels so soulless now. A strange design choice if you ask me, but in saying that most reviews are giving this a stellar score so as always check out other reviews and go from there. Love to you all, Reggie xxx
they should've made it more personal but with more detail mechanics, let the player be a person living in the city of the frostpunk universe, this war of mine in frostpunk, with conflicts, problem solving, missions, management, assigning tasks, survival, etc
Original was meh. You couldnt stray off the correct path, if you did, you lost the scenario. Game was pretty easy, no real replayability. Not a bad game, but felt very streamlined and limiting.
Was going to do a review in that comparing it to Helldivers 2 funnily enough. Ended up working on my Satisfactory review (coming next!) so maybe I’ll do Space Marines 2 shortly. And yes, as a new player to Space Marines, I guess I was expecting something a little more. Got bored of it relatively quickly (but sure does look nice!)
@@cockneygamer Indeed, looks nice. What broke me, is that i have doge with a heavy bolter. And the non stop execute animations. I want to play the game, dammit ! Same issue with the latest doom.
how's the diversity of play in this? My biggest issue with a lot of builders is that once you "solve" it, you can just do the same (or nearly the same) thing every time and win, rather than having to vary your playstyles depending on the map
Utopia builder adds diversity in the form of being able to pick 2 different communities to form in the City with one randomly picked. And each starting city has different concerns.
Frostpunk 1: Managing a tight knit community, each member of which you could get to know personally, through the end of times. Frostpunk 2: You guys remember ant farms right?
But did you. Did you really after 1 st playthrough list through the name tags at districts. Nah man they ve all just been numbers end of story. Don't get why people get butt clenched over the minor changes when the game is awesome
@@finalname-hs1ov the game absolutely s.....cks, what you mean? forget the scale and population, this whole factions and politics is just bad. not a survival game, not a city builder, just bad busy work with rng politics thrown in. FP1 was a masterpiece, this is just mid at best.
Glad you’re enjoying mate and to be honest looking at the reviews and Reddit, you for sure sum up how most people feel so I do urge people to check it out if they liked the first, especially if in gamepass. Appreciate the comment, cheers 🍻
When did politics games go mainstream? Almost no one plays democracy 4, even the original frostpunk. Why is everyone getting things backwards? They removed city buildings elements, not added them.
It would be useful for the game to see some line of events with individuals of interest in the city, for example the kids fighting with knives. Imagine thst you start this pop up with a family and follow-up events/pop-ups shows what lead up to the kid joining a fighting gang, this would give us more touch to the city, seeing what lead to the problem not only seeing the tip of the iceberg
I'm passing on this. The whole draw to the original (other than the cool aesthetic and moody music) was how fucking *intimate* it was. People had names; people had families; what you assigned individuals to determined whether they lived or died. I wasn't looking for Snowy Sim City.
As other people have said here, it’s a great game and at the price it’s a no brainer. Absolutely loved the first one (although be prepared to die a lot!)
Bang on. No way is this a “bad” game. Well worth playing if you have gamepass and you’ll get your fill. Funny thing is I installed the original FP to grab some footage for this review and ended up playing that just as much as FP2… which for me personally told me everything. Thanks for the comment mate!
@@cockneygamer I had a similar experience. After suffering from constant lag spikes, losing my city because of the bad heatstamp mechanic, and frustrated with buildings, I finally decided to play frostpunk 1 again. In the past 2 days I've spent 5.6 hours on Frostpunk 2, and 20.2 on Frostpunk 1. Almost 4x.
Appreciate your support mate, thank you. Honestly, I’m seeing a LOT of people enjoy this game so take this review with a pinch of salt. I guess I just loved the original so much that this was just not how I imagined. Certainly not a bad game… just not a great game like its predecessor. Cheers
this reminds me of differences between hearts of iron 3 and 4. They made more money by making game for more people but fans of the series thought it was dogshit.
I'm disappointed, instead of taking what made the first game great, they abandoned it and made a FrostPunk version of Civilization. It should be the same as the first but with the option of founding new cities or colonies and administering them. maybe face other rival cities. I expected more.
So your ideas at the end of your comment there is absolutely spot on mate. Couldn’t have said it better. I get there is a risk of turning this into an RTS which I appreciate they want to avoid, but the way you explain it shows what could have been. Appreciate the comment mate.
I disagree. I dont want to play sim city either. I love frostpunk though. Comparing it to civilization is just..its not the same these games have limited political choices shaping the world. Most of these games you are either a militairy society or economic religious or scientific.. but it doesnt go in detail. No extremisme.. u have cultures.. roman.. but roman is not a political side..its just a different culture of the Imperial society. Frostpunk has foragers and different versions of them. So much more details and actual focus on the society you build and not just the building and especially frostpunk 2. I do wish that they added like..more of a individual people mechanic like in frostpunk 1 seeing as it makes things personal and because of the city size and personal issues it felt more drastic. Despite this i love the "larger" idea. Not nessecarily hate districts or love them but i do love the larger then before idea instead of just the same game but newer like some remake but with a small story twist of being in the future.
@@cockneygamer Well thought but my grammar and spelling is abit crap besides i havnt played it yet but its a observation. Happy u did not mind that though. I hope they add factions in the dlcs just for variaty and vibe or something to the factions or maybe update.. idk i love content especially with my favorite part of frostpunk.
I'm real disappointed by this, I'm sure it'll capture a new audience that will enjoy it and it's not a bad game, it's just no longer a great one in my opinion. This is a very fair and balanced review!
I couldn't agree anymore. The biggest take away and disappointment is that it could of been so much better, without very little actual changes to what we have in Frostpunk 2.. They just needed to make that connection between struggling to survive, and your people and the push and pull and sacrifices you need to make to make it work. Instead we got a city builder on par with a 1995 game, just with better graphics, and a completely disconnected faction system that feels like it was slapped on at the last minute, and doesn't interact with the actual gameplay like the first one did.
That’s spot on mate. They had all the ingredients there to just ramp up what they had before. Make it even more dire and consequential. This for me is just too much of a departure from the original.
Problem for me is the interface and trying to juggle 50 things at the same time. There are so many demands and systems you have to micromanage that I would need to take a sniff of white powder. In the end I fixed all resource problems but factions for some reason wanted me dead and I had no trust even though there were no shortages. It might be game forces a last crisis on you but to me it felt like game was cheating me out of a win. I quit while in the last chapter just could not be assed to engage with all the systems anymore.
“Cheating you out a win”…. So I was tempted to put a similar line in the review on this and I’m glad you said it. I get the game is hard. I get it sort of wants you to struggle. But at the same time, there is sometimes no reason to distrust what you’re doing as leader, but sod it, the game is hard so forces you on the path to failure regardless. Well said mate, appreciate the comment
@@cockneygamer I'm glad I wasn't only one not feeling this new Frostpunk. I understand it's hard to do difficulty in these games but this is definetly not the way. You're chasing relations with factions, goods, trust, then you don't have enough capacity of routes to supply main city so you're chasing a fix for that... Game definetly pulls that "AAA gotcha bro" way too many times when you could've succeed if you weren't fighting the UI and nebulous systems so much.
thats the entire point of the game your city gets bigger you start to give less atention to minor things and this game has a ton of things to micro manage still. if you want a small city the first game still there is not a old game either
History on the new Game a few years back i had a discussion about what the DLC for FPK one would look like. And here is how that went. Trading and a little bit of coloney play and some extra resource management. How im the suggestions section we talk about flying vehicle and roads and trading post and so one. Then they achieve it in two including taking over winterhome
That's fair and very even handed. I tried the beta and decided against this one at launch price, I suspect a number of players did. Not a bad game but struggles to get past my 'but I enjoyed the first one more' feeling. Bit Darkest Dungeons 2 in the shift to something different not bringing everyone along? Still, I genuinely wish them well and I hope they find an audience who want to interact with the setting as it's done here.
Well said mate and glad you saw the balance in the review (not everyone does). And most important line here “not a bad game…”. It’s spot on and I think people can almost get too hooked into the negative and not the positive. It looks great, has wonderful sound, an amazing politics system… it’s just the building aspect sucks and the move to districts didn’t sit right with me personally. But loads of people are loving it and that’s great to see. Appreciate the comment!
Agreed. Some commentators got hooked up on the Civ comment I made. Of course it’s a different game… what I was getting at was how you’d build districts, not plan and place individual buildings or roads and how everything was leaning heavily to politics. It’s a very different game to FP1 for that reason (other than the great setting of course).
Sorry to hear this one wasnt your cup of tea. The original definitely felt much more 'arcade-y'(if thsts even the right term) but fp2 did a great job of expanding everything. If they were just going to make a game like frostpunk they should have just updated frostpunk. It was at its best with the unforseen consequences where some laws or decisions from a long time ago can come back way later for better or for worse unlike frostpunk 1 where its a good bit more predictable. I personally didnt have an issue with the UI but i definetly see how it can be a pain. Either way fp2 definitely caught my eye but I wish fp1 had mod support like the sequel. Imagine what kinds of scenarios we could have had
Many issues are preventing the game from being playable for me. The top issue is the resolution adjustment that is locked in Window mode! I have an Ultra Wide Monitor and play many games that require onscreen navigation and selection in a Windowed 2560x1440 mode, and that option is not there! So now my only option is to play in 5120x1440, which is beyond tedious. I played FP1 with no problem in 2560x1440. Right now, the game is not playable for me, and there are other bugs. I should have waited and once again kicking myself for getting a game when it releases. Agreed, Playing FP2 doesn't feel like it will be as enjoyable as FP1. Due to the issues with FP2 I am not able to play and going back to FP1 for a bit.
You: The changes to a large scale remove the moral nature when facing tough decisions but just a bunch of numbers You again: The expedition and the likes are just copying from old one
I uninstalled and refunded as soon as I booted it up and saw it was an overworld I was controlling and not in-depth controlling a singular city. Too drastic of a genre change
I dont understand why youre complaining. They TOLD you it was going to be drastically different. You arent building a small town, you're building a city, as well as multiple towns. You cant complain that it feels too detached when they themselves said so.
As I said, I didn’t follow the game development in this one. And it’s a weird criticism to expect every single gamer on the planet to follow the game development before buying, especially when it’s a follow up to a great original. I also didn’t follow the development of God of War Ragnorak, Last of Us 2, Spider Man Morales, Hades 2… still great games though
@cockneygamer ...I need to remember that not everyone researches games before buying. Not an insult to you or anything, just an observation. It's like what happened with Darkest Dungeon 2. The developers told us it would be different, and people still complained. Though, I will say that, to me, the soul is still there. You had that more personal connection because it was a small place. Now, 30 years later (still confuses me that you'd be surprised by the new research advancements, given the timejump), the town has become a metropolis.
It’s all good mate, no issue in what you say. There are some games so grand, so big and so genre defining that I think the expectation from a gamer is more of the same in terms of structure but improving in key areas. I think Frostpunk original fitted into that… I do think a lot of gamers will go into this blind having played the excellent first one and be somewhat surprised. And by the way, some people are going to LOVE this new change.
@cockneygamer yeah. The feeling I got from this is you wanted it to be both FP1 and 2 combined, but that would strain the game unimaginably. That part you mentioned about the graphics...now imagine if you could zoom in all the way, and see people walking (though, given how the time is in days instead of minutes, that would be impossible).
Haha… Cities Skylines 2 tried exactly what you mentioned that and the engine crawls to a halt at big population sizes so point well made. I guess I was after FP1 with more buildings and design choices, maybe rival cities to contend with (not an RTS though). And maybe on expeditions making it way more involved vs a few button clicks here and there to get things moving and decisions to be made. The outposts I give them credit for trying to make it how it is, but for me they changed too much of its core structure in the city build aspect (going from massive districts and removing your ability to build a city) and maybe instead they could have ventured into other areas to improve upon (I thought the original expeditions were “ok” but a tad boring too).
No problem being the odd one out. I don't understand how you connect to people in FP1.... they're just names.... you have hundreds of them. At that point hundreds or thousands does not matter. What I hate about FP1 is that buildings change size so unless you keep doing stupid tricks with building streets into nowhere you cannot pack your buildings optimally. It's. great game though. I think I will give this one a whirl. I like it when reviewers explain their reasoning so that I can disagree with them. It makes it easier to know if a game is for me or not. So thanks for that. .... with that said.... my backlog is full as it is.... maybe I should just play Space Marine (I not II) before I buy this.
Really well made points mate. And as I’ve always said about this channel, I’m just one of thousands with an opinion. Makes it no more valid than any of you lovely people who take the time to comment. I do try and give balance to all game reviews where possible, so it’s music to my ears when you say what you say here. People who disagree and criticise the review in a friendly manner are the sort of people who I want on this channel, so you mate tick all the boxes and I appreciate the comment. 🍻
this war of mine was the shii1ttiest game ever made frostpunk 1 was soso. You enjoy building and gathering resouces, the fun part, until they force you to end the game in an anti climatic fashion every single time
How the game must look in your opinion?. Still building on a smaller scale like in fp1? Now in fp2, your decisions still affect peoples, but now you affect hundreds and thousands of peoples. Everything is on a bigger scale than fp1 and thats how a sequel is done. I am asking you again, how fp2 look in your mind?
Either bigger scale or deeper scale. What made fp1 gutwrenching was the fact that it was your city, few people YOU were in charge of. It was quite visceral to seal their fate. Geowing that to thousands of people makes it less impactful. You care less about a few deaths and they mean less, are more dehumanised. An other iption would have been to put the player even closer to his denizens, have them all have personnalities, names, unique abilities, etc.. to make the version2 deeper and further delve in what made fp1 unique in the city builder genre. Not saying that 2 is bad, it seems like a good game, just that it diverged from it s concept.
@@etienne8110 it is still your city and i think you got a bigger stress when your decision kills thousands of peoples. First one in my opinion was just an inttoduction to the world, now for me the second game is really the real deal.
A very fair point mate, but as @etienne8110 sums it up nicely, this game is now just a statistic. I could argue my decisions affect the thousands of people in Cities Skylines, where poor planning disasters can strike and kill off a load of people. The same can be said for Anno games. Or the original Sim City games. A game like They Are Billions is a good comparison for me… it still has scale but feels little more personal… I get it’s an RTS but that has that feel of desperation. The issue then with FP2 is that you just don’t engage with your city people at all. You don’t watch then push through the snow and struggle. You don’t interact with families and see their light. Now they are just a spreadsheet and for me it loses something by keeping you zoomed out and away from what made FP1 so good - that feeling of consequence and struggle.
YES!!! In fact, it’s already done, I just need to edit in the video. I’ve done 100 hours in the beta and probably the same since release… it was difficult to get this Frostpunk review out to be honest as I’ve been playing Satisfactory so much! (Might be a hint on the score there!). Review will hopefully be done in time for your Saturday morning cuppa!
Starting release sales while Steam reviews are disabled is a huge red flag for me, and I'll cheer on failure for any developers or (probably more likely) the publishers that do this. While it looks cool (heh), I never clicked with the original, and this kind of fuckery around the release means I can take this off my wishlist and forget about it.
It's because the game isn't officially released it... as it releases on Friday. I'm about 10 hours into the campaign, and I've enjoyed it as much as the original, which I liked a lot.
@@Axel-vt8no I'm aware how it works, I just find it unacceptable as a consumer. Glad you're enjoying it, but I stand by my "never purchase before reading Steam reviews" position, with the only exceptions being devs I know I can trust (like Larian).
@@greedowins All good. Wait for Friday's official release than if you want. Also, it got an 85 on Metacritic by the critics for what it's worth. I don't always agree with them, but they're right more than they're wrong.
@@dh8496 not going to lie, my heart sank when I saw his review as my video was rendering as his went live. I was worried people thought I was copying his views but I assure you it was pure coincidence. Especially when he mentioned it was soulless! WAB is an excellent channel, one I follow too and whilst I don’t agree with everything he says, I can’t deny he nails it most of the time. Appreciate you having your trust in this channel too mate, cheers to you.
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I desperately wanted to fall in love with this after the excellent original, but it feels so soulless now. A strange design choice if you ask me, but in saying that most reviews are giving this a stellar score so as always check out other reviews and go from there. Love to you all, Reggie xxx
they should've made it more personal but with more detail mechanics, let the player be a person living in the city of the frostpunk universe, this war of mine in frostpunk, with conflicts, problem solving, missions, management, assigning tasks, survival, etc
Original was meh. You couldnt stray off the correct path, if you did, you lost the scenario. Game was pretty easy, no real replayability. Not a bad game, but felt very streamlined and limiting.
I feel you, personally refunded. I felt exactly the same with SpaceMarine 2. Uninstalled after the campaign.
Was going to do a review in that comparing it to Helldivers 2 funnily enough. Ended up working on my Satisfactory review (coming next!) so maybe I’ll do Space Marines 2 shortly. And yes, as a new player to Space Marines, I guess I was expecting something a little more. Got bored of it relatively quickly (but sure does look nice!)
@@cockneygamer Indeed, looks nice. What broke me, is that i have doge with a heavy bolter. And the non stop execute animations. I want to play the game, dammit ! Same issue with the latest doom.
The original Frostpunk is $2.99 on Steam. A steal.
Thanks for highlighting this! Absolutely wonderful game for the cost of a half pint.
how's the diversity of play in this? My biggest issue with a lot of builders is that once you "solve" it, you can just do the same (or nearly the same) thing every time and win, rather than having to vary your playstyles depending on the map
That was the biggest fault of the first one. One or few, very limited paths could win the scenario.
Utopia builder adds diversity in the form of being able to pick 2 different communities to form in the City with one randomly picked. And each starting city has different concerns.
Frostpunk 1: Managing a tight knit community, each member of which you could get to know personally, through the end of times.
Frostpunk 2: You guys remember ant farms right?
But did you. Did you really after 1 st playthrough list through the name tags at districts. Nah man they ve all just been numbers end of story. Don't get why people get butt clenched over the minor changes when the game is awesome
@@finalname-hs1ov the game absolutely s.....cks, what you mean? forget the scale and population, this whole factions and politics is just bad. not a survival game, not a city builder, just bad busy work with rng politics thrown in. FP1 was a masterpiece, this is just mid at best.
I personally love this game, but this criticism is very fair it wont be fot everyone
Glad you’re enjoying mate and to be honest looking at the reviews and Reddit, you for sure sum up how most people feel so I do urge people to check it out if they liked the first, especially if in gamepass. Appreciate the comment, cheers 🍻
Personally I love it, but jesus christ why is everything but oil just a terrible choice?
Been playing the game for about 18 hours so far and absolutely love it!
And mate, that is all that truly matters. Love the comment so appreciate it, cheers 🍻
Oh look, the "they did a cool first album and then went mainstream" crowd have made it to youtube gaming channels...
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When did politics games go mainstream? Almost no one plays democracy 4, even the original frostpunk.
Why is everyone getting things backwards?
They removed city buildings elements, not added them.
Felt like an animated board game more than a city builder.
It would be useful for the game to see some line of events with individuals of interest in the city, for example the kids fighting with knives. Imagine thst you start this pop up with a family and follow-up events/pop-ups shows what lead up to the kid joining a fighting gang, this would give us more touch to the city, seeing what lead to the problem not only seeing the tip of the iceberg
I'm passing on this. The whole draw to the original (other than the cool aesthetic and moody music) was how fucking *intimate* it was. People had names; people had families; what you assigned individuals to determined whether they lived or died. I wasn't looking for Snowy Sim City.
Im hearing that the original is worth a look at
Oh definitely it's amazing, has a lot of great scenarios and the dlcs are good as well
Dude, first Frostpunk is an absolute masterpiece. It's also only $3! 90% off. Now is the time to get it for an absolute steal.
As other people have said here, it’s a great game and at the price it’s a no brainer. Absolutely loved the first one (although be prepared to die a lot!)
Completely agree. For me the other reviewers miss the big point. Intimacy. Do not know what they've been smoking really.
makes no sense to me to make the second game smilar like the 1 st one
lol what should it look like then?
@@bilusxoxo like its now , why the hell i would buy over and over again that same game?
@@naapsuvaimne740 it’s not the same game it’s a direct continuation where the previous one left off, preety much every mechanic is different.
I do think this game is worth playing but it is quite different and i still much prefer the original
Bang on. No way is this a “bad” game. Well worth playing if you have gamepass and you’ll get your fill. Funny thing is I installed the original FP to grab some footage for this review and ended up playing that just as much as FP2… which for me personally told me everything. Thanks for the comment mate!
@@cockneygamer I had a similar experience. After suffering from constant lag spikes, losing my city because of the bad heatstamp mechanic, and frustrated with buildings, I finally decided to play frostpunk 1 again. In the past 2 days I've spent 5.6 hours on Frostpunk 2, and 20.2 on Frostpunk 1. Almost 4x.
Sad to hear, but thanks for your perspective. Good subscribe.
Appreciate your support mate, thank you.
Honestly, I’m seeing a LOT of people enjoy this game so take this review with a pinch of salt. I guess I just loved the original so much that this was just not how I imagined. Certainly not a bad game… just not a great game like its predecessor. Cheers
this reminds me of differences between hearts of iron 3 and 4. They made more money by making game for more people but fans of the series thought it was dogshit.
I'm disappointed, instead of taking what made the first game great, they abandoned it and made a FrostPunk version of Civilization.
It should be the same as the first but with the option of founding new cities or colonies and administering them. maybe face other rival cities. I expected more.
So your ideas at the end of your comment there is absolutely spot on mate. Couldn’t have said it better. I get there is a risk of turning this into an RTS which I appreciate they want to avoid, but the way you explain it shows what could have been. Appreciate the comment mate.
Tell me you never played Civ without saying you never played Civ.
I disagree. I dont want to play sim city either. I love frostpunk though. Comparing it to civilization is just..its not the same these games have limited political choices shaping the world. Most of these games you are either a militairy society or economic religious or scientific.. but it doesnt go in detail. No extremisme.. u have cultures.. roman.. but roman is not a political side..its just a different culture of the Imperial society. Frostpunk has foragers and different versions of them. So much more details and actual focus on the society you build and not just the building and especially frostpunk 2. I do wish that they added like..more of a individual people mechanic like in frostpunk 1 seeing as it makes things personal and because of the city size and personal issues it felt more drastic. Despite this i love the "larger" idea. Not nessecarily hate districts or love them but i do love the larger then before idea instead of just the same game but newer like some remake but with a small story twist of being in the future.
@@icewolfwolfie173 Love reading comments like this that give a well thought out rebuttal. Appreciate you sharing your thoughts on it! Cheers
@@cockneygamer Well thought but my grammar and spelling is abit crap besides i havnt played it yet but its a observation. Happy u did not mind that though. I hope they add factions in the dlcs just for variaty and vibe or something to the factions or maybe update.. idk i love content especially with my favorite part of frostpunk.
I'm real disappointed by this, I'm sure it'll capture a new audience that will enjoy it and it's not a bad game, it's just no longer a great one in my opinion. This is a very fair and balanced review!
I couldn't agree anymore.
The biggest take away and disappointment is that it could of been so much better, without very little actual changes to what we have in Frostpunk 2.. They just needed to make that connection between struggling to survive, and your people and the push and pull and sacrifices you need to make to make it work.
Instead we got a city builder on par with a 1995 game, just with better graphics, and a completely disconnected faction system that feels like it was slapped on at the last minute, and doesn't interact with the actual gameplay like the first one did.
That’s spot on mate. They had all the ingredients there to just ramp up what they had before. Make it even more dire and consequential. This for me is just too much of a departure from the original.
I like it but definitely different. Decisions feel more grand in some way.
It's so so bad. I play 2 hours last night. Got a refund. I posted about it in the discussion and people got very upset with me. Sorry.
Some rather cutting and topical references in this one. As an American, I tip my hat.
Haha.. my wife is American so I get all the references two fold! Appreciate the comment mate.
Problem for me is the interface and trying to juggle 50 things at the same time. There are so many demands and systems you have to micromanage that I would need to take a sniff of white powder. In the end I fixed all resource problems but factions for some reason wanted me dead and I had no trust even though there were no shortages. It might be game forces a last crisis on you but to me it felt like game was cheating me out of a win. I quit while in the last chapter just could not be assed to engage with all the systems anymore.
“Cheating you out a win”…. So I was tempted to put a similar line in the review on this and I’m glad you said it. I get the game is hard. I get it sort of wants you to struggle. But at the same time, there is sometimes no reason to distrust what you’re doing as leader, but sod it, the game is hard so forces you on the path to failure regardless. Well said mate, appreciate the comment
@@cockneygamer I'm glad I wasn't only one not feeling this new Frostpunk. I understand it's hard to do difficulty in these games but this is definetly not the way. You're chasing relations with factions, goods, trust, then you don't have enough capacity of routes to supply main city so you're chasing a fix for that... Game definetly pulls that "AAA gotcha bro" way too many times when you could've succeed if you weren't fighting the UI and nebulous systems so much.
thats the entire point of the game your city gets bigger you start to give less atention to minor things and this game has a ton of things to micro manage still. if you want a small city the first game still there is not a old game either
I'm personally loving it. Each to their own!
And that is all that truly matters mate! Glad you’re having fun (I certainly didn’t hate it!)
Perfect review. It was a sad decline from the highs of the first game.
I completely disagree. This game is much much better than the first one.
shut ur mouth dog, how much they pay you for single comment ?!
I loved FP1, it was amazing! I waited years fr 2, and so dire... I stopped following it after the frst ealy access reviews. awesome video x
Thank you for the kind words mate. Appreciate it. Hoping FP3 is the winner!
History on the new Game a few years back i had a discussion about what the DLC for FPK one would look like. And here is how that went. Trading and a little bit of coloney play and some extra resource management. How im the suggestions section we talk about flying vehicle and roads and trading post and so one. Then they achieve it in two including taking over winterhome
I think I've finally found the words to describe my gripe with the game: It all feels too automatic.
That's fair and very even handed. I tried the beta and decided against this one at launch price, I suspect a number of players did. Not a bad game but struggles to get past my 'but I enjoyed the first one more' feeling. Bit Darkest Dungeons 2 in the shift to something different not bringing everyone along? Still, I genuinely wish them well and I hope they find an audience who want to interact with the setting as it's done here.
Well said mate and glad you saw the balance in the review (not everyone does). And most important line here “not a bad game…”. It’s spot on and I think people can almost get too hooked into the negative and not the positive. It looks great, has wonderful sound, an amazing politics system… it’s just the building aspect sucks and the move to districts didn’t sit right with me personally. But loads of people are loving it and that’s great to see. Appreciate the comment!
Only thing i really hated the way they changed the building system . Its feels way too weird like is this CIV game or what ?
Agreed. Some commentators got hooked up on the Civ comment I made. Of course it’s a different game… what I was getting at was how you’d build districts, not plan and place individual buildings or roads and how everything was leaning heavily to politics. It’s a very different game to FP1 for that reason (other than the great setting of course).
Sorry to hear this one wasnt your cup of tea. The original definitely felt much more 'arcade-y'(if thsts even the right term) but fp2 did a great job of expanding everything. If they were just going to make a game like frostpunk they should have just updated frostpunk. It was at its best with the unforseen consequences where some laws or decisions from a long time ago can come back way later for better or for worse unlike frostpunk 1 where its a good bit more predictable. I personally didnt have an issue with the UI but i definetly see how it can be a pain. Either way fp2 definitely caught my eye but I wish fp1 had mod support like the sequel. Imagine what kinds of scenarios we could have had
Many issues are preventing the game from being playable for me. The top issue is the resolution adjustment that is locked in Window mode! I have an Ultra Wide Monitor and play many games that require onscreen navigation and selection in a Windowed 2560x1440 mode, and that option is not there! So now my only option is to play in 5120x1440, which is beyond tedious. I played FP1 with no problem in 2560x1440. Right now, the game is not playable for me, and there are other bugs. I should have waited and once again kicking myself for getting a game when it releases. Agreed, Playing FP2 doesn't feel like it will be as enjoyable as FP1. Due to the issues with FP2 I am not able to play and going back to FP1 for a bit.
It’s really high time ultrawide was too being placed as such a niche by developers. Usually a few lines of code is all it takes to fix it up.
You: The changes to a large scale remove the moral nature when facing tough decisions but just a bunch of numbers
You again: The expedition and the likes are just copying from old one
Frostpunk 2, has no heart....
I uninstalled and refunded as soon as I booted it up and saw it was an overworld I was controlling and not in-depth controlling a singular city. Too drastic of a genre change
well yeah that's the theme
Fun fact the storm no longer spawn over the city in one that was a big issue for me 😅.
I dont understand why youre complaining. They TOLD you it was going to be drastically different. You arent building a small town, you're building a city, as well as multiple towns.
You cant complain that it feels too detached when they themselves said so.
As I said, I didn’t follow the game development in this one. And it’s a weird criticism to expect every single gamer on the planet to follow the game development before buying, especially when it’s a follow up to a great original.
I also didn’t follow the development of God of War Ragnorak, Last of Us 2, Spider Man Morales, Hades 2… still great games though
@cockneygamer ...I need to remember that not everyone researches games before buying. Not an insult to you or anything, just an observation.
It's like what happened with Darkest Dungeon 2. The developers told us it would be different, and people still complained.
Though, I will say that, to me, the soul is still there. You had that more personal connection because it was a small place. Now, 30 years later (still confuses me that you'd be surprised by the new research advancements, given the timejump), the town has become a metropolis.
It’s all good mate, no issue in what you say. There are some games so grand, so big and so genre defining that I think the expectation from a gamer is more of the same in terms of structure but improving in key areas. I think Frostpunk original fitted into that… I do think a lot of gamers will go into this blind having played the excellent first one and be somewhat surprised. And by the way, some people are going to LOVE this new change.
@cockneygamer yeah. The feeling I got from this is you wanted it to be both FP1 and 2 combined, but that would strain the game unimaginably. That part you mentioned about the graphics...now imagine if you could zoom in all the way, and see people walking (though, given how the time is in days instead of minutes, that would be impossible).
Haha… Cities Skylines 2 tried exactly what you mentioned that and the engine crawls to a halt at big population sizes so point well made.
I guess I was after FP1 with more buildings and design choices, maybe rival cities to contend with (not an RTS though). And maybe on expeditions making it way more involved vs a few button clicks here and there to get things moving and decisions to be made. The outposts I give them credit for trying to make it how it is, but for me they changed too much of its core structure in the city build aspect (going from massive districts and removing your ability to build a city) and maybe instead they could have ventured into other areas to improve upon (I thought the original expeditions were “ok” but a tad boring too).
No problem being the odd one out. I don't understand how you connect to people in FP1.... they're just names.... you have hundreds of them. At that point hundreds or thousands does not matter.
What I hate about FP1 is that buildings change size so unless you keep doing stupid tricks with building streets into nowhere you cannot pack your buildings optimally. It's. great game though. I think I will give this one a whirl. I like it when reviewers explain their reasoning so that I can disagree with them. It makes it easier to know if a game is for me or not. So thanks for that.
.... with that said.... my backlog is full as it is.... maybe I should just play Space Marine (I not II) before I buy this.
Really well made points mate. And as I’ve always said about this channel, I’m just one of thousands with an opinion. Makes it no more valid than any of you lovely people who take the time to comment. I do try and give balance to all game reviews where possible, so it’s music to my ears when you say what you say here. People who disagree and criticise the review in a friendly manner are the sort of people who I want on this channel, so you mate tick all the boxes and I appreciate the comment. 🍻
Everyone gonna aggree take this really pretty design interface to first frostpunk game and some mb new features to first part thats it !
this war of mine was the shii1ttiest game ever made
frostpunk 1 was soso. You enjoy building and gathering resouces, the fun part, until they force you to end the game in an anti climatic fashion every single time
How the game must look in your opinion?.
Still building on a smaller scale like in fp1?
Now in fp2, your decisions still affect peoples, but now you affect hundreds and thousands of peoples.
Everything is on a bigger scale than fp1 and thats how a sequel is done.
I am asking you again, how fp2 look in your mind?
Either bigger scale or deeper scale.
What made fp1 gutwrenching was the fact that it was your city, few people YOU were in charge of. It was quite visceral to seal their fate.
Geowing that to thousands of people makes it less impactful. You care less about a few deaths and they mean less, are more dehumanised.
An other iption would have been to put the player even closer to his denizens, have them all have personnalities, names, unique abilities, etc.. to make the version2 deeper and further delve in what made fp1 unique in the city builder genre.
Not saying that 2 is bad, it seems like a good game, just that it diverged from it s concept.
@@etienne8110 it is still your city and i think you got a bigger stress when your decision kills thousands of peoples.
First one in my opinion was just an inttoduction to the world, now for me the second game is really the real deal.
@@numaiprostiaaramas "one death is a tragedy, one million, a statistic."
Is what I m trying to say.
If it works for you, then all the best.
A very fair point mate, but as @etienne8110 sums it up nicely, this game is now just a statistic. I could argue my decisions affect the thousands of people in Cities Skylines, where poor planning disasters can strike and kill off a load of people. The same can be said for Anno games. Or the original Sim City games.
A game like They Are Billions is a good comparison for me… it still has scale but feels little more personal… I get it’s an RTS but that has that feel of desperation. The issue then with FP2 is that you just don’t engage with your city people at all. You don’t watch then push through the snow and struggle. You don’t interact with families and see their light. Now they are just a spreadsheet and for me it loses something by keeping you zoomed out and away from what made FP1 so good - that feeling of consequence and struggle.
It's been a rough year for city builders. One day we'll get a good one (at least I hope!)
Give Norland a try if you haven't
will you be reviewing satisfactory 1.0 release? seems like a game right up this channel alley. although its a huge time sinker to review
YES!!! In fact, it’s already done, I just need to edit in the video. I’ve done 100 hours in the beta and probably the same since release… it was difficult to get this Frostpunk review out to be honest as I’ve been playing Satisfactory so much! (Might be a hint on the score there!). Review will hopefully be done in time for your Saturday morning cuppa!
@@cockneygamer brilliant mate, looking forward to it. its addicting as hell!!
It really is! The connoisseur’s Minecraft if you will.
Starting release sales while Steam reviews are disabled is a huge red flag for me, and I'll cheer on failure for any developers or (probably more likely) the publishers that do this. While it looks cool (heh), I never clicked with the original, and this kind of fuckery around the release means I can take this off my wishlist and forget about it.
It's because the game isn't officially released it... as it releases on Friday. I'm about 10 hours into the campaign, and I've enjoyed it as much as the original, which I liked a lot.
@@Axel-vt8no I'm aware how it works, I just find it unacceptable as a consumer. Glad you're enjoying it, but I stand by my "never purchase before reading Steam reviews" position, with the only exceptions being devs I know I can trust (like Larian).
@@greedowins All good. Wait for Friday's official release than if you want. Also, it got an 85 on Metacritic by the critics for what it's worth. I don't always agree with them, but they're right more than they're wrong.
15 min playtime and i refunded, i hoped it would be improved Frostpunk 1 with more features.
WAB had a similar take on this one, and as I only trust him and you with game reviews, I think I'll skip this one. Cheers.
@@dh8496 not going to lie, my heart sank when I saw his review as my video was rendering as his went live. I was worried people thought I was copying his views but I assure you it was pure coincidence. Especially when he mentioned it was soulless!
WAB is an excellent channel, one I follow too and whilst I don’t agree with everything he says, I can’t deny he nails it most of the time. Appreciate you having your trust in this channel too mate, cheers to you.
@@cockneygameryou're review was funny af. And I agree cuz i played the game for some hours and not feeling it. It's not a bad game but 1 was better.
Story time
lol
lmao even