Camping in rain - New TENT & Backpack test
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- Camping in rain - New TENT & Backpack test
In this video I head up to one of my local wild camping spots in the Peak District. I have a couple of new bits of gear to test out. A new backpack from atom packs, and a new tent (Rab Latok Mountain 2 tent). The time has come for me to move on my faithful Hilleberg Soulo and I was hoping that the new Latok could fit the bill. I really like the Latok but it does have it's flaws. I discuss how the tent performs, and why I've decided to sell my Hilleberg Soulo.
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The time has come to let it go...😲. We've decided to raffle off the Hilleberg Soulo, with proceeds going back in to the TH-cam channel for new gear, filming equipment and our chosen charities.
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Is this a raffle open to your US viewers as well? I don't want to assume that you are shipping international, as that gets expensive, so I thought I would check first. Cheers!
What kind of pants are you wearing ? the one you but on the outside of the ones you are wearing ?
Paul, what happened to you having this as your go to tent. Did you ever use it again?
I've never seen a tent with an opening at one end to pee out of in the night, what a great feature!
😂😂😂👌
Tend to pee in a nalgene and use that as a hot water bottle.
😬🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for pointing out that hidden, brilliant feature... just need some brave soul to demo that and post to YT!
Fing is, by the time you've bought the vestibule, you could just keep using the Nallo 2 - at the same weight - you've had yer eye on these past 25 years. Condensation is a given with ANY AND EVERY tent, and even my 25 year old, old style Nallo 2 is still bomb proof, and totally water proof. Nothing has really changed, Paul, and all that has is the prodigious number of compromise tents that have arisen since 2000. There is no such thing as the perfect tent for every occasion, just the one that rings your bell. Akto for solo use, all year round (and fast pitching , just the one pole, with double pole possibility), Nallo 2 for more space (also double poling option for harsh weather) and/or double occupancy. That's all anyone needs.
I have this tent, and it's a beast at high altitude in snow and ice. Or on a polar trip. I've used it in the UK too, but it's a nightmare in the rain.
It only rains here mate so let Pauls nightmare begin lol
How is it a nightmare in the rain? What are your views?
It just looks like a massive Faff lol The water falling in when you undo the front, getting in and out, not having any vestibule etc, it looks beautiful but not sure about it Brother! 🙏
No vestibule tents are fine only if it's hilleberg unna. Never seen others that are even half decent, and this one isn't stellar either
I have this tent, it’s really nice, and you can buy a vestibule too. 👍🏼
Without a tarp or vestibule looks like a nightmare in wet weather
I would agree , I love Rab stuff but that is more for just jumping in with a full down suit on with it blowing a gale outside .
@@daveandemmaoutdoors3171 exactly- this is 100% a mountaineering tent.
Paul this tent isn't designed for rain, it's designed for 5000m plus, it never rains at that altitude 😅 All though it is a
brilliant peice of kit for UK winter summit camps where snow is definitely on the cards.
@Gillie Monger yeah, it's not designed for rain. The vesta makes an improvement though
Love camping in rough weather, gives you an extra sense of adventure and heightened awareness, provided of course you are always well prepared and following all safety regulations. I have to admit I really like the new tent, yes it is not perfect, but with a few custom additions, it can become the next best thing. Love the fact that under rain and high humidity, there was hardly any condensation inside. Keep up the great work Paul.
This tent is designed for high altitude winter dry snow conditions. Use the right tools for the right job and you cannot go wrong! Enjoy your videos Paul. Kind regards.
Paul "Rab" Messner. People watch the show for you, not your kit. What makes you stand out is you, your personality, the preference for steak and dodgy Brew Dog ales. Product reviews are always enlightening and trustworthy, and I've followed many of your recommendations.
What does that mean? @JohnCarpenter-tx4vr
Surely the Scarpe 1 suffices just about every need in a tent.
I don't reckon that's going to be your go to shelter for that long Paul, no vestibule is deffo a deal breaker for me when it's pishing down.
I admire your breaking from the norm and I also completely get it, especially now that this is your livelihood but I am not at all sold that tent as the best for the UK climate. I don't believe it would be something that is "Scotland friendly" at all with wet, cold and midges.
What I am really intrigued to see is just how you get on with it and would be pleasantly surprised if we were proven wrong.
Keep up the great work 👍🏼
I'm with you on that - from New Zealand 🇳🇿 🙆🏻♀️ 😊
Interesting tent, and even more interesting shout out. Started watching both you and Andy at a similar time, different styles but both always full of useful information along the way 👍
Not a tent for me that one I'm afraid. I cannot see any use for that in the UK and probably totally impractical for general backpacking or camping in general. Too many compromises, but like others have said, it is great to see other kit on the market which is out of the norm and it being tested out.
With the weight, cost, lack of vestibule and only a single skin, I don't think I'd have any use for this in the UK. Interesting to see something different to the usual though 👍
Thanx for the honest review and test in the rain. Your the reason why I own a cloud peak 2 because of tour honesty. Take care buddy.
That's the best stove I've seen!
Watched this from the comfort of my Soulo...the only tent on this mountain...the Rab tent seems like a good tent, for what it is designed for...definitely not for the midge infested wilds and rainy UK hills...but good to try new stuff...will give you a better appreciation of the Hilleberg ☺️
I respect you changing things up. Good to see something different 👍🏼
No thanks
Rain ingress when you open the door
Nowhere to cook when it rains
No mosquito netting
Keep the Soulo
Thank you for sharing your adventure! What a beautiful location!
I used to go camping a lot a few years ago, coming across your video there took me back so thanks for that , would love to get back out there 👏👏😎
Thank you. Helpful:
But, I think I stick to my Hilleberg for UK wild camping: a vestibule is a must, inside gets wet getting in and out in heavy rain. And I think mesh is useful when midges about. The lovely yellow colour of the inside of all Hilleberg is also nice, when gloomy outside.
Also not noticed compensation in Hilleberg. … And easy to put up. Cheers
I’ll give you a fiver for it.
I’ve had this tent on my list for years. I’d not get rid of my soulo but I’d mix them up depending on Conditions. Great tents. All tents are great it just comes down to what you want it for or how hard you’re gonna push it.
No need to argue guys.
It’s his thoughts on a particular tent. I don’t see a hard sell just an honest opinion.
And thanks for the mention 👍 😉 that’s my gas bill paid this month 😝 👍
Buy yin, I'll look on in trepidation 🤔
I really appreciate the time you take to film so many angles, it must take you ages. I’m not convinced about the tent, the grey colour inside makes it look like you’re in a prison cell, it’s looks so drab and dark. Great video again 👍🏼
I like your philosophy Paul, not following the herd etc and getting something different from the crowd. Feeling inspired I’ve done same myself and got the Halfords 2 man dome tent- £22 😄 Now that’s what you call standing out from the crowd- and hey, loads of room, it’s shower proof, light breeze proof and weighs in at a competitive 1.8kg. Best of all, got loads more room in my wallet for yet more stoves! 😂 Winner! With love and good karma to the free spirts of the world 😊
What a gorgeous looking tent plenty of room for us big fellas even the logo looks awesome on the side of it love the videos Paul 👌
Excellent video mate. Not a fan of the tent though. Think my Hilleberg Unna does the same thing but better but obviously a lot more money. And perhaps a bit more condensation. As for video quality. Stick with the iPhone.
Rab Latok 2 (€800) reviewed here is the same price as hilleberg Unna (€800)
Thank Tony. It’s an older that I picked up cheap to try something a bit different from the masses. It’s definitely stirred things up a bit. Thanks for the feedback. The gopro is easy and the images are decent but I do prefer the iPhone myself 👍🏻
Video appears good on this end in terms of picture, exposure, focus, sound quality etc. This RAB single-wall, semipermeable tent traces lineage to Bibler I-Tent. Professional experience and personally, I'll relate this to be a very narrow-spectrum, niche tent. Single-wall tents are inherently going to have condensation issues - (bar pretty much unfortunately none). Breathability of semipermeable laminates plus DWR coating works optimally by membranes combined with wicking layers and insulations for proper moisture and warmth management. The moisture management is 'pushed' via temperature gradient for the most effective transfer. Concerning tents the same screenplay performance is not selfsame. LIKES vs. DISLIKES... LIKES: Comparative weight/bulk is suitable to favorable. Quality and ruggedness is fitting application. Shelter of safe-haven roominess for 1, can squeeze 2, and be converted to 1-2 person bivy for expedient alternative contingency. Simplicity and convenience are relatively user-friendly. Footprint is small/efficient. These are often surprisingly 'quite' sound-dampened tents. DISLIKES: Condensation is what it is (even if/when the EVent does its best... the bathtub fabric is continual mitigation). Doorway has significant exposure issues on entry and exit. Accessory afterthought type vestibules are not well conceived. Snow/Rain/Water/Dew... sand/dirt/vegetation etc. will be constant attentive duty. These tents are not nearly as strong as companies portray them to be. They are not as 'warm' as companies tend to characterize. To be stormproof... all the 'hatches' often have to be fully closed off. NOTE: Paul - I strongly advise getting a 4-pack of Guinness Beer. After consumption... remove the plastic spherical nitrogen widget balls from the cans. Drill/awl (1) hole in each ball so that the pole ends/tips can be capped at the ends. This should be a tight/secure fit and not easily slip off the pole ends. The magic here is that the 'ball' end-caps will provide protection from pole ends going thru... tearing the tent fabrics and less wear in corners. They'll also protect your eyes. Set-ups and take-downs involve flexing poles inside the tent that can 'spring' with enough speed/force to poke thru and tear stuff. Singe walls do not do well with holes rips and tears! Installing widget 'Balls' eliminates this misadventure.
Great idea about the widget balls! I have a very similar Marmot Hammer and poking a hole in the fabric has always been a fear. And I even love Guinness!
As usual an informative video. I will look forward to a more detailed review of the tent.
Very interesting tent and hence a very interesting vid. Thanks Paul, doin' a great job as per usual 👍
Great video. I am new to camping but looked at those tents when I was looking for one. The space, specifically the head room, really appealed to me. Hope you enjoy it.
Paul - great explanation of the tent design, the pros & cons. I struggle for headroom with my "entry level" Vango Banshee (and I'm only 178cm / 5'10" tall). Having said that the porch is pretty much essential IMO for UK camping so while I love the simplicity I couldn't camp with the Rab, even after your workarounds.
The Vango banshee brings back memories and some nightmares. I'm 187cm and 105kg and that was my home for 2 awful nights with high winds and pelting rain. To be fair, it didn't collapse but it was far from comfortable.
The trouble with social media/TH-cam now is all the content is the same. However your channel is one of two camping channels I always come back to because the content is always educational. I always learn something new from every video. This is where you stand out from the crowd not from compromising on a tent.
I don’t blame you for giving it a try as it’s certainly an interesting bit of kit but there’s too many compromises for my liking. Good vid again Paul.
Good for you mate for trying something different and putting new ideas on your channel, there are hundreds of TH-cam camping channels ( I know cos I watch too many😵💫) so its important to offer viewers a fresh alternative from the norm, I'm sure people appreciate what you do since you're fast approaching 150k subs, cheers Paul.
The place where he set up the tent looks very beautiful. Thanks for showing the nice environment.😀👍👍
I like your approach to not aiming to do/make/say what the majority do etc, I try to do things my own way too... the iphone footage was fine but it's the dead silent audio that slays, it really captures the remote location!
Love the design. Looks like a bothy, bivvy and tent combined and not that much bulkier than my Terra Nova Jupiter Goretex hooped bivvy.
Thanks Paul, another great video. I did consider that tent, being a bit of a Rab fanboy, but they only seem to do it in orange now which is not very useful for unobtrusive camping. Their add on vestibules seem to be in dark colours thought. Stay safe.👍🏻
I used to have a dome tent with a similar door problem. I learned that in rainy weather, to open the door outward to keep the water from getting in.
Thank you, Paul. Rab makes very good products - but with no bug mesh and no vestibule, I have to say "no thanks" - honestly can't imagine why they would leave off such, to me, essential features. I'll stick with my Soulo and my Terra Nova Voyager for the time being.
In terms of image quality Paul, 15:26 looked amazing. Great video - really enjoyed this one!
Best colour tent I've ever seen, classy
Love the tent! Like an old school back garden Belta that I’d of stayed in when I was 10! Looks like a tent! 😂👍🏼
Love the videos Paul.
Give the salewa litetrek a go. Great size. Built well and pretty sturdy. Similar in the way you enter at the front. They thought about the water issue and have a handy seam that directs water away from the door.
Looks fantastic, love your idea of packing it in the stuff sack to go in your pack easier. Am seriously considering one of these for winter use. Seems like one of the lightest mountaineering tents around for its size, about 400g lighter than the Black Diamond Eldorado which also seems excellent and has a mesh door. Thanks Paul…
‘Let Paul try it so you don’t have to!’ - great video, I like to see different takes on wild camping. Like you say Paul, so many videos rely on the same format/equipment, good to see something different for a change. You can see the video was a success by all the comments on here not accepting your view point/alternative take.
I loved this videos just more in depth of what you get up to and stuff really enjoyed it thanks
Great video and probably a great tent in the environment it’s designed for. Personally, I would find it difficult to work with in persistent rain without a vestibule. The closest I’ve come to the Holy Grail of tents is the Hilleberg (sorry) Nammatj 2. Loads of room, superb ventilation, same weight as the Soulo and very quick to set up. I have several tents, but almost always take the Nammatj. (As a bonus, you don’t see many others around 🤫😉)
Keep up the brilliant work!
Looks great, you could use a small tarp for a vestibule, I use a Hilleberg tarp 5 with the soulo and my Niak
Hi Paul, this would make a nice addition to complete the setup - Rab Latok Mountain 2 Vestibule
Great vid Paul, you could rig up a tarp above the rab, might stop all that water dripping in and give you a bit of a vestibule to cook under.
I was up that way myself a couple of weeks ago for a 2-dayer, testing out my new Terra Nova Pioneer 2.
We had snow twice, hail, rain, and sun all in one day - magical!
The tent looks interesting - especially when a separate vestibule’s attached! 👍🏻
I'd like to know your thoughts on the T N Pioneer's performance in the very varied, and mostly unfavourable conditions you experienced in your recent Peak District multi-day outing.
It appears to me that the Latok, a high altitude performer, just isn't the right tool for the job in typical UK upland weather.
Perhaps if Rab offered an event shelter with a vestibule protected door, and no see-um mesh, I could be persuaded to drop significant dosh on buying one.
Until then I am content to tolerate the weight penalty of my Nordisk Svalbaard p u version, which, at the currently available (shop around) price of approximately £150. 00. Is in my view an outstanding bargain for a UK 4 season capable tent, which has a proper inner, and is thus as warm as is likely possible in a tent in winter conditions.
@@barryfullick7981
Nice plug! 👍🏻
Great video Paul. Thank you.
These have improved a lot in terms of condensation since the two nights I spent in one, many years ago. Event is underrated, I had a Lowe jkt in this, was very good. Re the " holy grail of tents" I can feel a Messner brand innovation coming on. Always up for a collaboration😄😄
I'm looking forward to giving my Slingfin Windsaber see exercise this summer!
I Have checked this tent out with my last visit to the rab shop. In my opinion its a tent that been designed for the worst conditions, but seem only practical in the best conditions, but I haven't tried it so just first impression. Very impressed with it in that 80k wind though, looks solid once the guy finally got the poles in
Another fab video - Interesting tent. I always get nervous when I don't see rainfly but this seems to work great. Although I live in the UK, I'm a big fan of the brand REI that I get imported from the USA. I use the Half-Dome which is very strong and my bread and butter for me.
Promising test. It has good qualities. E.g the weight, space and sturdyness. Have been using similar tent from North Face.
Hi Paul, As you may know I've had a few Rab's so it's good to see you trying one too. Love the colour of that one, never seen it. All mine have screamed yellow or Red! I agree with most of your points, bug door is a real boon and I'd add the vestibule or a tarp on poles over the door in my experience. Incidentally I was just thinking why is the visual quality so much better than normal and then you said why, the phone is way superior. I look forward to seeing more of you in the Rab, probably the best built tanks out there. A
I’ve watched loaded of your videos Andrew. You like to have something a bit different from the masses too and I’ve seen you use the Latok Summit is a variety of conditions. Thanks for the inspiration 👍🏻
This tent is a variation of a Nemo Tenshi which I have. As soon as it starts to rain you have to close it up and then you can see out so you are in the dark. When you roll up the tent the floor gets wet from the condensation on the walls. You come to the next destination and you have wet tent to get into. The door is always laying in the mud. Only good thing is it sets up fast.
Class review Paul - I own the SC1 & 2 plus a Nammaj 2 for my summit camps with the dog ⛺️👌
We used to visit and play on those rocks with my grandpa as kids. Happy memories.
Thank you for this review! I need a tent for serious Canadian winters, and everything was pointing to the Soulo, but I'm trying to be diligent in my research...the minute I saw those velcro straps for the Rab I went "nope! not for me!" Fiddling with those at -20C or colder is just risking numb fingers or frostbite. But still appreciate the time you take to do these reviews.
I have a Marmot Hammer that’s almost identical (minus the ledge tie-offs and tube vents), and I’m considering having pole sleeves sewn to the inside to obviate the need for finger-freezing Velcro. I have set it up at around 0F without any freezing, but it was in my yard, little to no wind, and I wasn’t cold or damp.
Nice Paul, I went for the MSR Advance Pro 2, which is very a very similar set up and works well - keeping the Hilleburg though as can’t part with it!
I like how high it is inside. Looks like Hilleberg finally has some competition.Although Rab doesn't have the attention to detail Hilleberg has, such as the rain gutters, but it's still competition. Especially with the price.
Great-great-great-grandson of the venerable Bibler I-tent! I heartily approve.
Boom tingz! Paul, I don't see it being a replacement for a Soulo from any angle, sorry, 2 different leagues in my opinion. Looks more like a Decathlon Quechua replacement. I can see how you'd want something different, but I don't think this is the right tent to replace a Soulo. Perhaps a Fjallraven.
That is a really honest review. If Rab would take note. Add a bug net at the door and an overhang with two guy lines to solve the water dripping in problem I would order one tomorrow. Love the material and the inside space and height. Regards John Mac
The current version has the option of a vestibule which transforms it from a giant bivvy to a practical tent. Single skin is of course more compact and lightweight but also will a colder shelter in winter.
That Rab is a light and fast no frills high altitude tent, a completely different beast to the Soulo. It’s like comparing shorts to trousers.
Awesome tent! Wouldn't have known it existed without you. Thanks for sharing! Also, I wouldn't have guessed you used your phone this time for recording so no worries about that.
Looks like a high altitude dry/ snowy tent, but here in Switzerland i take my Hilleberg Soulo RL over this probably 80% of the time :)
Hi Paul. Great looking tent, but that and the Hilleberg are two different animals. I once had a very similar design tent, the Marmot Up High, but the lack of a vestibule and water running in when opening, condensation, all got old after a while.
Anyway, take care, continue to be safe.
I've still got a Bergans Tunnel from 1980 which was a single skin with the roof being Goretex. I love the design off the Tunnel but we did have a few nights with water dripping on our heads. I used it in rain and snow and it never let us down. I love Rab gear but their prices in Australia are through the roof but not as bad as Arcteryx! .
Awesome video as always, Paul. And nice to see kit a little bit different. Video quality superb still with the iPhone
Had mine for 9+ years, yellow version eVent. Mine has a bug mesh in door. I've had 60mph+ winds on top of mountains with it, poles did bend a bit as it was sideways on... but never failed. One of the few you can put up and down in bad winds. Any condensation you get when breathability reduces due to surface tension rain on outside normally forms on internal poles and runs down to corners... little bit of sponge in corners sorts that out. Have woken up in mountain streams either side and under and it hasn't let any water in. Recommend getting a luggage rack too, vestibule attachment, I'd give that a miss. Hope you enjoy!
Nice tent. Can see using it.
Beautiful terrain.
Love the color 😍
Looks about the same size as my Naturehike Cloud Up 2 but heavier and without the inner tent, groundsheet and porch..... It's probably lovely, but my NH was £89 and I'm guessing this was quite a bit more than that! Like all of these things, it doesn't matter what we like, if you like it and it works for you then happy days. Cheers for the video, from SW France
Great video...love the tent...you can get a vestibule add on for it
Another great vid 🙏🏻
Awesome stuff as always Paul
Looks an interesting shelter.. think Andrew Park had something similar. It will have its place, I like that with your content Mr Messner, always something new for us to see.
Interesting ideas on filming with the phone, I only have the phone so all filming am editing done on that, probably has its limitations but keeps it nice and simple for me.
Anyways keep up the good work, been following your channel for ages now, thank you again, ATB 👍
Now that is a cool tent for a solo night 🌙
Hats off for doing something different; this tent obviously isn't really for this type of use, but will be interesting to see how you get on with it. And for £150 is worth trying.
Your videos are good, and the drone shots 😎
I only use a very cheap tent. You have to pitch it inner forst, which seems to be common for the cheap end of the market. It's far from perfect but it is very roomy. Consequently my solution is to carry a 10ft square tarp, which I always pitch first. Solves the problem and often allows me to keep the outer door open for ventilation. Downside, of course is that it adds bulk to my pack.
This is close to what a lot of people want. Needs a vestibule and bug net but size and weight plus pack size looks good. Very stable. So a decent thing to take up high
Big fan but simple facts all these youtubers went to rab a few weeks ago now bevers and co got all rab gear hats coats sleeping bags tents maybe it's just me reading too much into it
looks a good tent , let's hope the manufacturer sees your video and maybe put a fly mesh built into the door and maybe a small rain guard above the door opening just to eliminate the rain dropping in on their next version of this , hopefully wouldn't add too much weight , cracking video Paul
Interesting review, thank you! Certainly not my tent but cool to see
Interesting tent Paul, but for the sake of 300gm I’d stick with my Niak. Never a condensation issue and a decent vestibule.
Nice uncomplicated tent. Would be very easy to add an ultralight small tarp to the front to give cooking space and a sheet of bug mesh fixed with some Velcro tabs to keep the bugs out - both fixes quick and simple to do. Nice to see a video on a tent not usually seen 👍🏻
straight away spotted the AtomPacks.. loving my custom 60 at the moment
That's quite good material, Rab tent, It's soo simple to built.
How new is this particular model. It's a belter:) Cracking good single skin loads of room super smart colour what is that? Yeah I can see that you are in awe about it. Don't you smack the tent to rid the water before getting out? Man that things a super shelter for the Super Messner. Any environment get some, allow Messner to crush your stormy souls;) Not enough detail on the back pack or nearly enough outings for the tent. However must add that's a marvelous go to spot. Good health Paul. Give my love to Jo and the family.
Thanks for making this video. It's not a tent I'd be interested in buying but I'm sure it might suit other campers.
Long time viewer but first time commenting. Enjoyed this one Paul. Cheers from New Zealand