The Making of Hoe_Math and His Mission to help Young Men Understand Dating and Marriage
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Listening to this conversation gives me a full appreciation that I am old.
Listening to this conversation makes me look foward to getting old.
Did not all the old people set our current culture on this path whereby all of us young people were sold out by the most selfish boomers and WWII gen of believe the tv and radio?
I wish I was as lucky as you man
Me too
Yeah I’m 39 and I feel that hoe math and others in his space gets quite a bit right but they also have blind spots. They seem completely unable to work cold approach - everything they do socially is online
The modern corporate office gaslighting,
overworked, stressed, long hours, meaningless, unable to be creative or tight restrictions on creativity
told,
you've never had it so good,
You forgot HR talking on LGBQYTZ BS emails and "trainings"
You missed the "+" monicker, bigot. Report to HR Monday morning 0800 sharp.
@@j.d.5626 i will never forget the struggle sessions, being told i have no dignity and that i do not inherently respect others etc.
This was great. He’s Deconstructed the deconstruction . Now he’s moving past the nihilism and working on values to build on. Where are those values coming from? Deconstruct that.
I'll often say to my progressive friends (ones who, if I discern, seem to be ones who are arrested in cognitive development) "just wait until you deconstruct your deconstruction."
Almost always, my saying so leads to a confused query of just what exactly that I mean by that...
But from what I see hoe math is not giving any mind shattering advice - telling men to go outside more or exercise is very basic advice which I can’t believe even needs to be said in the first place
Values come from Ethics. Ethics comes from Morality. Morality comes from axioms, at its core. Don't hit. Don't steal. Always get consent. If someone violates those principles, they are defacto consenting to being hit, or having their property taken. That's it.
Everything else is projection, and evolves from there.
This is why government is illegitimate. It presumes that all MUST consent to its edicts, and if they dont they can now be hit, be kidnapped or have their property taken. Government presupposes consent by simply being born within its territory. Therefore, government believes it owns everything, fundamentally. They then give you permission to use their stuff, under their rules.
Stop paying taxes. See how fast you are subjected to this belief. If they can take your property unless you pay them a lease payment, which they call taxes, then you own nothing.
This IS Morality, as we know it. This truth is hidden from us by immoral actors, who believe they can own everything by using guns, swords or other weapons.
We already live "in the jungle". We have yet to civilize.
Like Psych Hacks
@@timothyblazer1749 Jesus Christ, the anarchists are neo vegans. You guys literally cannot breathe 5 minutes on the internet without complaining about very idea of government. Often lumping all forms of government into some 1984 type of deal. This whole spiel doesn't work the moment you go past people living in very rudimentary tribal societies.
Is authoritarian government going against our biological programming? Sure, Ted Kaczynski had some valid points there. However, you guys seem to really, really hate other parts of human biology too, especially the fact that we're social creatures, who tend to flock into larger groups. Obviously, once we do gather in high enough size, SOME form of government needs to exist. Even the minimalistic government who is align with its people would occasionally have to imprison someone sometimes. You know why? Because when an individual is problematic for the society, it's either imprison, segregate them from it, or mob lynching. You do realize that? And how long till mob makes its own warmongering "government of terror" and starts extorting others within the same community?
That aside, we're too numerous, there's no enough land. At 20:45 hoe_math mentions it, you're not allowed to leave, for the simple reason last time that was possible was in Wild West, when you had uncharted unclaimed territory. This is why we need to colonize other planets, then expand further into space, so we can more often have those eras of new land and exploratory conquest. But guess what, you can't do that under anarchism either, so you need some sort of government.
"The truth is hidden from us by immoral actors, who believe they can own everything by using guns, swords or other weapons."
Seriously, you're not doing your movement a favor. You're not beating "insane conspiracy theorists isolationists" allegations. And I don't mean conspiracy theorists with something reasonable like deep state or 9/11, I mean NFO kidnapping people and Earth is flat type conspiracy theorists.
I'm sorry? Are you trying to imply that weapons AREN'T cause to own something? Aren't you the same anarchists that believe every person should be armed in their own house and defend themselves? Which would, inherently mean, that having power to remove something DOES give you right to own.
Make it make sense.
Meaning in life? We used to be called citizens. Now we're called consumers. You figure it out.
Well said!!!
That is a corporatocracy for ya.
1:09:37 - Paul you probably won't see this but I have a great answer as to why religion was replaced by secular coaching, therapists, etc. In my experience most people that go to religion for their practical problems never get them actually solved because in mainstream evangelicalism, which is most peoples background, it is all about going to church and doing something for the church. Simply put, practical issues by the church have been deemed not spiritual, and so they say they will only be solved by not focusing on them so much, focus on church more and where you can get involved. Meanwhile people if they are observant of religious people notice this, and are turned off because regular church goers simply have a bunch of issues festering, that they postpone with a religious blanket.
You are one of the very few pastors that I have heard take practical issues serious and also at the same time see the spiritual nature of these issues people have. This is incredibly rare, and usually can only be pried out of a normal pastor with difficulty.
This is a great comment. It's why I read the comments. I can't always see the comment replies but the header comments I almost always at least scan. Thanks.
@@PaulVanderKlay no problem just my personal experience but interestingly enough Aaron Renn had a video with a professor just today where this was talked about!
Depends on the church. Also a church is more than the leadership, it’s the members and my spouse belongs to a very sociable church (imagine a church made up of human Irish Setters and labs, with the odd chihuahua). The help comes in the form of people who once they know you provide an ear to listen, contacts, sometimes babysitting, job leads, a variety of community supports.
@@PaulVanderKlaythere's also the issue of the platitudes here that get thrown out. You yourself said you've listened to some people that came to you, and your honest answer to hearing their struggles is to say that you have no idea why they're going through that.
So often people in places of authority, be that in church, being parents, etc, know they're an authority figure and feel bound to provide an answer when the sad thing is, so often, what the other person just needs is someone to just notice their pain and recognize it as a real event going on.
Sometimes if someone's lived a nightmare, what they're really after is seeing a genuine look of horror on someone's face or detectedness to let them know that, yeah, this IS bad, someone knows and I know that they know.
This. 100%, this made me left my church
Hahahaha this is awesome.
I can see Hoe-Math having a great conversation with Malcolm and Simone
And here's Paul following me around the internet again. Fancy meeting you here, friend.
I was talking with my tweener daughter tonight. She's into boys and the boys her age aren't into girls. She wants to be pretty and popular and she wants to be a lawyer and a wife and mom. She says she wants a man that is strong and 'dominates' her. (Her word).
So we talk.
I tell her that jobs are good but a dream shouldn't be about a job. Jobs only exist to support families. She says being a mom is her real dream.
I tell her she is pretty and she is popular but she doesn't see it because she's only looking at the girls ahead of her and ignoring all the ones behind her looking at her. I say think about those girls instead, and she says she does. She gets much happier talking about helping other girls.
I tell her give boys time, and some things to look for and look out for in boys. I ask if she really wants a guy to dominate her. She says yes. I say that means she never gets to have a say in anything. She says she wants to be dominated sometimes but not all the times. I say then you want a man that dominates you when you want to be dominated - but that actually means that you're dominating him.
She agrees and looks confused.
I say what you want is a man that leads. He listens to you but he makes decisions. She says yes. I say but the problem is then you have to follow even when you don't agree, and that's hard to do. She laughs and says yes.
I think she'll be fine. I think she'll be a fine wife. I hope she finds a good man.
HM is right about dating and the dynamics between men and women. But we can change it. We can teach our kids to do better.
When I was a senior in High School I went to unlock my bike and a girl ran out to confront me because her bike was right next to it. She thought perhaps I was taking her bike. After realizing her mistake she seemed very interested in speaking with me an riding her bike with me. She was in 8th grade. I also noticed she was relatively mature compared to when I was in 8th grade. However given the age gap and the social stigma I was not even interested in the appearance of anything but nice to meet you and have a nice life.
It was my first hint of nature's intent. My second hint was when I took a few years off before returning to college and I was thus about 3 years older. Once again girls were just relatively easy to deal with. I enjoyed their company , and not for hooking up ( not a rake and was not interested in being one for various reason. ) The coed educational system put men and women together when they are not at all peers. It is probably one of the worst artifacts at plaguing male/female interaction. Men need time to build value.
Your daughter seems to have a good head on her shoulders.
The real issue is that men have been punished for even trying, whenever they "make it" the goal-posts are moved, and add into this the simple fact that society has been operating with a subtext of *you are not good enough* for boys/men (hence why the advice is _always_ to get a better job, get better social skills, get better fitness, etc), and when they *do* the rug is pulled out from under them, which means the sub-subtext finishing the thought is _"and you never will be."_ -and this is societal: it applies to things like getting a good degree only to have to compete with offshoring and H1Bs- Men could "play the game" when it was difficult, but to always be on the losing end of "heads, I win; tails, you lose" means there's no reason to.
As long as she understands what men want from her is her YOUTH and BEAUTY in her early 20s, and that quality will fade over time, she will be OK. Dont lie to her and teach her nonsense like 'your looks dont matter' or 'men care about your job' which are overt lies.
Just teach her about the importance of making a family with a committed husband BEFORE she is ~34 years old. For biologys sake.
The dynamics between men and women have not changed and will not change. The best you can do is teach everyone the TRUTH about female hypergamy. And the TRUTH about female biology. And the TRUTH about what men want / look for in women.
Americans are extremely competitive, and that is just another layer in why US families have collapsed. Hoe_Math is superb on the gender dynamics in play in the mainstream. He is redpilling the normies to how the shite really goes down. What he doesn't touch on is western women are shameless and have abandoned modesty. Nearly all Western women are Feminists and why wouldnt they be when they have so been brainwashed since kindergarten? They are conditioned to be boss babes, not wives. The role of wife, mother, and home-maker is despised by Feminism. The kids are not alright, we are in a demographic collapse. Vanderclay talks about boys needing to build value, even after Hoe_Math just explained to him how they are locked out that by the mainstream culture. He didn't get it. Do you?
Girls mature faster. It's normal that the boys aren't quite there yet. Give it 2 yrs.
Best surprise collab on the platform
When you love and live with neuro divergent people, this conversation makes total sense.
If a kid is doing well in science and computer classes, but absolutely falling apart in say, Algebra, the problem might be a teaching disability and not a student's ability to learn.
This was my thought too
I can vouch for that from first hand experience.....
I found his origins to be surprisingly similar to my own. This is quite useful as a sounding board to examine my own life in addition to being a good shading in of his perspective. There are quite a few differences, though. Today is my three year anniversary at a cubicle job I never wanted to have
Listening to this reminds me of times when I was in university discussing ideas and seeking the truth with other students. Best use of TH-cam. We are so fortunate to be able to connect with smart and interesting people with ideas. 💡
1:17:00 “I must limit myself. Who could ever grasp such wealth? Be content and cultivate your garden with modesty. I will. I see that it is not worth conquering a larger piece of the immeasurable, but a smaller one instead. A well-tended small garden is better than an ill-tended large garden. Both gardens are equally small when faced with the immeasurable, but unequally cared for.” ~ C.G.Jung (Red Book)
Need to give it a read.
I believe that we are so focused on the here at now, that we miss the rest of the now. What humanity has is tiny. Claiming that you have to limit yourself on a small plot by people standards is claiming that you wouldn't take more even if you could. But if you could have a country to farm, to manage and take care of, would it not be more fulfilling?
Have eyes that can eat the moon, and the will to grasp at your desires.
Imagine what life could be if we didnt allow ourselves to stop. We have a crumb of a crumb of the pie split 8,000,000,000 ways. Take what you can now, because in time, you will have a bigger launch board to get a slice. We know so little of experience. Dream big and dream hard.
Thank you... I needed to hear this
Very interesting conversation. He is obviously a very bright young man. I wish him well. The short section on the value of the old “containers” was interesting. He recognized the value, but there was no indication that he thought they could or should be restored/revived. He said the containers were based on identity, but didn’t make any distinction or acknowledgement that not all identities are equal as far as creating a container that can actually provide the necessary civilizational support. To be fair, it was a quick, off hand comment and the discussion moved on.
I’m also reflecting on the point about technology being analogous to the poison sugar water we feed ants as I type away on my iPhone to comment on a YT video that pulled me away from the happenings in my real life for an hour and a half or so.
Paul did a great job as always of asking the questions and letting him talk. Thanks for another great video.
No VOP can hear the phrase "i wish him well" unironically 😂
I think you're spot on, and the issue will always be that some types of identities can find themselves quickly subsumed by the culture.
Watch a bunch of his videos he goes more in depth
He’s not young
Hoe Math is a brilliant teacher for the young men of the present.
I’ve been waiting for this one. Excited to start listening.
The last 4 years has taught me that the term “expert(s)” doesn’t mean what we once thought. 🤔
15:20 this is why I can’t have a typical/normal job.
Amen.
this the best interview I've seen, I finally learned all the things I wanted to know about hoe math. I have been watching hoe math for a couple days and thinking I get this guy and he's got more knowledge and practical experience than me and I'm trying integrate it into my current self development plans and now I know why I felt that way in a concrete way which is helpful. Great interview Paul, everyone else just wants to discuss his diagrams.
I am expecting an account of a calculated approach to the use of garden implements!
Sadly no
@@j.harris83 or getting down to some American folk dance?
@@anselman3156 a Hoe down is still not what’s going on here
@@j.harris83 Maybe it's an hoe as mentioned in the video "The Two Ronnies- Four Candles". Worth a watch for seeing how misunderstandings can arise!
Maybe it's someone who lives in a certain city in Belgium.
"I see an indisputable connection between the loss of value in an individual person's life, and wealth being transferred upwards"
Because if your mom gives you a pop-tart for breakfast (profit to the company!) as she runs out the door to her job (profit to the company!) instead of fixing you toast with jam, something spiritual has been lost.
But she can afford those pop-tarts because of her job, that makes up for it all, doesn't it?
Life is a matter of adaptation and most moms work today. The child will have a lot of experience in this lifestyle by the time they are young adults. At that point they can look for a culture that is more in line with their current values if it differs from their mom's
@@elonever.2.071 Most women work today, and that's why they're not moms.
Ironically (considering the religion / evolutionist debates), evolution will take care of the "full-time worker and mom", which will turn out to be a long-term unworkable accident of our times.
@@jimluebke3869
There is a relatively new science study called Epigenetics & essentially it is the foundation of evolution. If you are not familiar with it the genes have antennae on their surface that pick of cues from the environment during the organisms life experience which alters gene expression both for the next generation and to their host. I agree with that which you said and I think this is a deliberate change to human genetic structure.
A dramatic change in the core values of women is going to genetically and socially be transferred to their female offspring. The nuclear family has already been all but destroyed in western culture, the masses have become non critical thinking robots from the propaganda they hear and see on the news and social media. They automatically believe everything they hear and see on the tv & web no matter how absurd it is. Our only hope in my opinion is that there is a big enough critical mass of authentic critical thinking people with good parenting skills to eventually rival and overcome this phenomenon.
paul is getting big and is a certified zoomer
Our favorite TH-cam Paul is growing up and doing crossovers. This conversation was great Paul, be careful about clout chasing though. The whirlpool could pull you down like Jordan.
He would be so much fun to listen to in conversation with Mary Harrington! Thank you so much for having him on Paul! Mary talks so much in her book The Reactionary Feminist on how so many core aspects of society have been successfully transferred to an economic model which maps so well on to his explanation of why people are not looking as much to traditional sources of wisdom anymore for a path forward.
I don't know if he will, but I did. :)
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A quick recap of one of the most important things Hoe-Math said starting at 23:30 and going through 25:54 -
Currently, psychology and morality are both based in economics. Their basis lies in the question, “Who gets to feel good and who has to feel bad?” When and where and why and how. Our moral judgements are based on, “if you do this, it’ll be good or it’ll be bad.” And how do we know? It will cause these good or bad outcomes. And why are they good or bad? Because they will suck if they are bad. For something to suck it means that it results in an unpleasant experience. A decision is bad if after the fun is over your state goes lower than your starting point and you drag other people down with you. More people have to feel bad if you do that thing.
So, psychology and morality are based in economics because it’s the way that we create value directly from the environment and trade it with each other to impact the quality of our lives. People are not doing this consciously. People are doing that in ways that they are told to do that. While people create more value than ever with their labor, they keep an ever smaller percentage of that value. They don’t seem to notice. It’s like bees that keep getting their honey taken away and they keep doing bee things. They don’t notice or understand that they are getting robbed.
This shows up in the continuity of family and handing down wealth as well. The amount of effort and work that we have put into building the world and the amount that we have to show for it are not congruent. So the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer is the central issue to psychology, morality, and spirituality to Hoe_Math.
We don’t live in a place where we can work hard and succeed. We have to be lucky or be in the right place at the right time.
The change is that owning capital has a greater ROI. So instead of buying a new 40-80k vehicle every few years people should be making out their IRAs. Pensions used to mean that the company did the investing for you and took it out of your paycheck. Then people starting getting the money and choose to spend it instead of investing it.
YOOOOO HOEMATH AND VANDERKLAY COLLAB!?!
God bless you two, this is great ☦️
Been a while since I watched a PVK video thrice. Thanks guys!
Did you make some branding?
@@PaulVanderKlay still processing ❤️
4sp Genius starting to understand the feminine. Thanks for the recommendation Benjamin! Cheers broskies🎉
Hoe Math is like a righteous egregore summoned by the pained soul of young men, crying out from their spiritual prisons.
His answers aren't all that spiritual, though.
It's like he's never been in love, or even sees the point.
There's a point to love?
Speaking of romantic love, not Biblical love, but there's hardly a point, I think.
@@jimluebke3869 He became noteworthy for telling people why girls won’t go on dates with them. Loving a girl who does not want you is not cute it hurts. We call that kind of love infantile in my country and feel sorry for boys and girls in that situation. Not encouraged. If a girl won’t go on a date with you how can you both grow feelings of love?
@@BeachandHills-hb2pq I'm not talking about being in love with someone who doesn't want you, either.
What i'm talking about is how a lot of this stuff dissolves, when that kind of emotion is involved.
@@jimluebke3869 Yes but you need to get dates. The Girls have to want you for any kind of love to grow. No dates no interest in you no adult romantic love. The Average married coupple were together for two years before they got married. Love takes longer to grow than most pepole think.
Really enjoyed this.
I can manufacture a reflection🙂 gotta admire the honesty
This is the story of a smart kid who was emotionally neglected.
The work did not feel worth the reward because nothing feels worth it when you are traumatized from neglect.
P.S. I wrote this before he even talked about the childhood abuse in his home later in the video. Takes one to know one I guess.😂 Someone send him some Tim Fletcher videos.
Is that what griz showed recently, Tim fletcher
I am hugging you through the screen. I want to hug every iteration of that kid and make you eat comfort food with me ❤
Hadn't heard of Tim Fletcher. Checked out his vid on neglect right after seeing your comment and WOW the guy was absolutely spot on. 🤯
Yes griz showed a video of him, hes a pastor and trauma expert. Highly recommend! Also thank you for the hugs @elusivemayfly7534 😊
This is the best Crossover.
I follow both
Talk about a colab i was not expecting
Regarding the spirit of the screen HM references around 49:20 even in the corner, there is a sense that we are forced to be scavengers, pulling together scraps to mold into our shells(containers). No one spiritual guide to walk us through these times but rather needing to trust the "master" to find the precise utility of each tidbit. HM is an insightful example as I can glean good insights here despite desiring to be wholly separate from his frame. While this task is ill-suited to our brokenness, at least we are exercising the master brain so necessary in these times.
I forgive him not showing face, for his doodling is every bit as expressive.
Glad you reeled him in for this: revealed a whole other side to his story.
Does HM know how much he'll blow up after talking to you, Paul? 😅
A Heros Journey ❤🙏💯
Good. As an australian the amount of compliance during covid really scared and disturbed me.
The container idea is great, i extrapolate to nationalism
1:10:30 a good description of the western techo driven Year Zero we are in the midst of. Echoes of Mao's 4 "Olds"
wtf is my algarithm telling me to find this kind of stuff and hoe math u the man bro
Holy cow!
I was telling someone about hoe math and said "he explains relationships for autistic males".
He's not for everyone but the demographics in his wheelhouse can benefit greatly.
his content is repackaged redpill and internet pua, but he does a good job of it
@@buglepong Not everyone has learned what he teaches. Some of us had to learn it aged 17 before the internet exsisted. He just makes it easyer for you young ones. Yes i do agree with lots of what he says. Seen with my own eyes etc.
Except the more I listen to him, the more sociopathic he sounds.
@@jimluebke3869autists have less/no empathy they think in terms of game theory. Even when they’re being moral it’s usually from a game theoretical standpoint. I intimately know a guy who brought me to Christ who is this way.
@@jimluebke3869 thats pua and redpill/mgtow. Its a pure economic calculations of modern relationships
My dream came true
1:10:13 wow this bit through the next 2-3 minutes is really an interesting chain of insights. Some of it is sort of old hat for Peterson acolytes and anyone that’s been in TLC for a bit. But the direct line between this loss of meaning and its alchemical transmutation into the bottom line of corporate behemoths begs for a deeper spiritual/metaphysical exploration.
Good convo, but we need a Part 2. I didn't really hear where his spiritual journey went after the occult exploration.
I think things are still in progress.
@@PaulVanderKlay I can relate to that. 🙂 I was curious what the current journey was like for him.
1:22:56 MAMMON!! It’s all mammon!
Every now and then I revisit Star Slate Codex's "Meditations on Moloch."
@@etheretherether I should check that out. Familiar with the blog, can’t remember the title.
A hidden hoe_math gem!
Great chat sirs!
There's a point here about the discontents of online dating but I think there's a larger truth missed which is that if you're dating and looking to be in a monogamous relationship whatever strategy you use it only has to work once.
I share his levels video with my discord sociopath friends, and they get it. I’ve gotten the comment that it’s one of the few times they feel understood by someone. Here’s to the outliers 🍻
Let’s goooo
The market can be depended upon to correct situations IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO SO. The primary function of governments in the modern world appears to be distorting markets as much as possible in service to whatever political agenda is popular for the moment.
Very cool
The formula for success is, as always, the same: a good plan, diligence in executing the plan, and luck (aka blessing of God).
@hoe_math if you have not yet, you should check out Rene Girard and his mimetic theory/scapegoat theory.
I'm really curious what you'll be able to learn here and how you will love him. I'm looking forward to listening. Thank you
1:01:04 best thing for Men - Make communities for men as men. Teach each other to look after your communities and society. Be present EVEN when everyone tells you to go away. Teach everyone how amazing men are together.
13:25 A castle in the woods like Merlins tower, an appropriate vision for the visionary/shaman/magician/prophetic type (intuitive).
17:13 Magic, spell-casting, etc.
Amen. Did a livestream about this and Alan moore.
Do you remember about when? I’d love to listen or relisten. (Something’s cooking)
@@mcmosav this one, I think.
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@@mcmosavyes please. Kale has tweeted a lot about spell casting and spell checking
A few quotes:
"if you want to understand man, study the ants". Did Christ say this? An old friend said this a lot.
"We are born in slavery and we die in slavery. Freedom is the ability to choose our master". From the book I'm writing.
The Georgian word for 'spouse' is meugle, in English, Plow-Share, the piece of wood that connects two plow oxen together.
Oh, starting to understand Paul's idea of the container, it's just exploded in my mind. Thanks Paul :)
Nobody knows how to raise kids, we all start off with zero experience and maximum responsibility. Here's some 'advice' though, every action has an equal and opposite reaction ;)
People use the word 'spiritual' because they are afraid of the word 'religious'.
It's not a conspiracy, it's simply the direction the world is was heading. What we are now seeing is a change in direction, which will get super messy.
His next chapter should be about the next level after dating:
-Marriage and why percentage of men wanting marriage is going down, the high percentage of women that own homes however mainly from divorce, the percentage of single moms and child support benefits and losses. How the family court system benefits the most over the families. The risks/rewards for each sex, the statistics for each sex in staying in marriage/divorce/ after life / remarriages / loss of motivation for life, and how it may impact the next generation. @hoe_math might already have done it but it would be cool to see how he breaks it down. “Would your mother have married your father if Tinder was around?”😂😂😂😂
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43:49 Paul is laughing at this but for me and most of my contemporaries its a cold reality
Good point. For my generation such a hypothetical seems absurd, but yes, you have a point.
Ya it’s not really funny at all. The older generation is completely clueless to what we are up against now with dating apps and social gender dynamics. And if you press them on it like my Dad he they will just say you’re not dating the right girl and gaslight you.
@@Nerff554, I'm in my fourties now and always been single. I were friends for years with a few wrong and few right girls, but luckily I was not ready for the wrong girls and unhappily I wasn't ready for the right girls. I met them all in church functions when I was still a Lutheran. The wrong girls are one unhappily married, one unhappy and remarried, one unhappy eternal single. The right girls one is happily married with three kids, one is married but that's the only thing I know about her. If it was up to my parents I'd still be living at home doing nothing, so I've been playing catch-up for the last fifteen years.
1:12:45 "To take industry to its logical conclusion" Man becomes part of the process of production, whether as an overseer, an ingredient, or the end product itself. Even the person that said this never thought that they themselves had just become another part of a machine of industry
01:03:00 oh my god, a Louise Perry reference on a hoe_math show. I’d love that mashup for real.
Joshua Green’s book Moral Tribes
Wait is he drawing this live? I assumed it was going to be a montage of his previous vids.
Thinking around 24:00, he should read the man who sold the moon by Robert Heinlein. It's a short story where a man games the system around him perfectly to get what he's always dreamed of but becomes all too valuable in the process
Nobody gets 10K for getting confirmation in church, absurd, he must come from a very wealthy background.
When you pointed out that 94% of hires were diversity hires two thoughts occurred to me. 1) white males have a long history of building. We could do what many marginalized people have done and go build businesses that hire us. 2) white men are not allowed to have this in group preference. It's called discrimination when we do it.
Diverity hires? Aka white women?
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55:40 “the ‘market’ is a fiction” bookmarked for posterity
When my don was identified as highly gifted he lost all of his free time. Shouldnt smart kids get more advanced work, not just more work? Then he gets into UCLA and we realize hes being set up to graduate with debt that will likely make him an indentured servant grinding his life away in a basement laboratory for DOW or Dupont the rest of his life. Any original idea he came up with would be owned by the corporate oligarchs. Bleak. We incouraged him to preserve his freedom, stay out of debt and enjoy his life.
H_M said he just wants to focus on dating instead of long-term realtionships because he doesn't have the experience. The problem being it seems like no one has good answers on this topic.
No one individual will have the answers because the good long-term marraige (and a good life) is an exponentially complex problem. But what usually helps with this problem (culture, community, art, heroic figures, etc) doesn't seem to exist right now. God is dead and we have killed him. That's why no gf :(
Spirit of finesse and geometry. Tech gives confidence to take geometry. Finesse and relationships are exponentially and combinatorial explosion. Need other finesse relationships to help you navigate through
I really want to see HM talk to someone about a Christian view of dating and how that compares to the urban monoculture dating scene. Because Christianity is all about sacrificial love and Christian marriage is as well. The number system probably still applies to everyone, but it's less about extracting value from the other person like in the monoculture. I aged into the dating world in the 2000s and got married right out of college and started figuring out what sacrificial love means in a marriage and am happily married to this day.
@@Smithistory Thanks for sharing. HM provides a clear way to achieve goals and recieve feedback from the world. But he doesn't tell you what to desire. That's the strength of Christianity is that it has a larger definition of the good that transcends the individual (like you said 'sacrificial love')
I think the best way to get confront HM with the Christian idea of the "the good" is for people to live it out. Unfortunately, especially in the area of relationships, that is very hard to do. A lot of Christians saying "Relationships are complicated." instead of giving real advice or structure. Which is why ppl go to HM for answers and not their pastor (which is ironic because HM says himself he teaches how to get things you want and not what you should want). IMO We need a heroic figure who emboies sacrificial love and transcends the convo. (But we always have Christ)
The answer is simple. Women need to stop engaging in hook up culture and date the men in their league again. They give consent to sex so they control who they sleep with not the other way around. Men are checking out because they are witnessing women would rather engage in hook up culture then reject it and have a family. Women would rather chase a career then have a family. The list goes on. It’s not a male problem or something the men can even fix. So until then expect the dynamics between genders to just get worse.
I’ve always loved learning various subjects and developing my understanding of the world. I loved the book store, public library, and building Lego sets.
However, I hated the way subjects were taught in public school by teachers who don’t care. Thus, my parents really hated that I couldn’t “earn good grades” in school. That was where all the conflict came in. Conforming to incompetent teachers… 😒
Back in their day, teachers and schools cared about the well being of students and focused on developing useful skills in life. My mom just assumed that public schools hadn’t changed and my dad was a lazy shit who worked part time while always complaining about not getting more.
Under different conditions, I believe I could’ve done a graduate degree in a specialized science based on several personality tests I’ve done.
But due to numerous factors (financial issues, lazy father, delusional mother, society in free fall, incompetent teachers, rotting schools, wasting my life on meaningless paperwork etc.). I just ended up doing an electrician apprenticeship as a way forward in life.
25:00 would recommend to HM the Austrian School of Economics for value theory. Very fun “Epic Rap Battles of History” Keynes vs Hayek
A fellow Austrian. Hat tip to you sir.
How do they compare with the Norwegian school?
52:21 Power without direction is like a shark on a beach. But which direction?
The work pen cubicle,
a.k.a. The wage cage
It was the capitalist commodification of human interaction via social media all along! Thanks Mammon.
No it wasn't. It has nothing to do with "muh capitalism" and everything to do with the fact that women are biologically driven to acquire men's money and resources.
Well, this is an unexpected surprise
So, like, what is the corner going to feel about this? For the corner people I speak with they seem much more on the "Accept things as they are. Love God. Love your neighbor." Where H_M seems much more "Define what you what. Define what the world offers. Use feedback from the world to change your behaviour and get what you want." Not that this gap can't be bridged but these seem distinct. Can the corner integrate learnings from H_M or no?
Good questions. I wonder, and you dont have to answer me ofcourse- you can just answer this for yourself without sharing- can you integrate learnings from H_M?
Well, shouldn't they accept the interview as it is?
@@AnGryPOETry That's the million dollar question. How are we optimally conserving the good and integrating the new? Personally, I think a lot of it is in the doing/encountering. Set the best goal you can and try to accomplish it. You'll learn a lot of good and bad things about yourself and the world (and maybe learn to love God more).
@@connorperrett9559 agreed. I hope ppl listen with open minds and wrestle with integrating the wisdom into their life.
"Morality is about who is allowed to feel good and who is allowed to feel bad"
Unless it corresponds to reality, in which case it recognizes what our human condition is like, and guides people towards structures that generally lead to good outcomes.
The more I listen to this guy the more I get the picture that he's very bright, but very broken.
yeahhhhhhh... this was me. I was the "smart" kid in my childhood. 3 suicide attempts later I'm 17 and I finally figured out all these people who spent my childhood telling me how great I was, and sweet and kind, and original thinking, and talented and blah blah blah... cared so LITTLE about me they would rather keep me on a track of DEATH AND FUCKING HELL and liver failure than allow me to be anything other than their trophy thing they get to parade around.
annnnnnnd did that realization help me?
yup. but not until I wondered the spirit desert of that realization for 6-7yrs where eventually I grew the guts to call up every single adult from my childhood and tell them exactly what I didn't have the guts to as a kid -- that I fucking hated all of them with a bright burning passion the fury of which they couldn't possibly imagine and that I didn't care at all what their intentions were or if they really thought they loved me -- and not just that I hated them -- but that I thought what they had done out of love was EVIL MANIFEST and of course I included the details that would make this description too long.
teachers. neighbors. congregation members. pastors. therapists. mentors. my beloved choir director. ALL of them. Without holding back a word of the evil I thought they had committed.
Kinda crazy behavior for a 24-26yr old but you know I was fucking crazy 🤣 so what do you want???
Some of them I told that I had forgiven them.
Some I did not because I hadn't yet.
Then after all that. Maybe a few months later after I calmed the fuck down... I ceased to exist. And a new blank canvas like I never could have POSSIBLY imagined opened up before me, and I understood I didn't have to do ANY of what I had done and that in a way it was kinda silly because I was free and I always HAD been.
And that didn't make any of what I told those people less true.
But it did make me realize if I wanted to live, I had to choose it. And that if I didn't - that at this point it's on me and has NOTHING to do with them. My work with them was done.
So I did. And honestly 🤷♂️ it's been surprisingly pretty ok ❤
Trauma can fuckkkkkk you UP. But freedom is yours, if you just take a look around - sounds impossible because it is impossible. So stop thinking about what's possible and start praying for miracles. You won't find any, nothing will happen. But you might find that one already happened. And you just didn't notice but now you do. And that's the miracle.
I thought we were talking about relationships 😅
Would I say I get everything I ever wanted from my relationships now??? 😭😂 I don't even get BARELY more than what I had before!!!! But -- I enjoy them now. They could be better. But I enjoy them now. And that's a gift I once thought I'd never have with anyone. Not even one person as a friend. And I might still be misanthrope who really doesn't like anyone. But nevertheless I enjoy everyone! What a gift 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 thank you God thank you thank you thank you 🙏
Kinda gives you a weird picture of how the world is going to be, growing up as "the smart kid", doesn't it.
In their defense, even the ones that truly did want what was best for you, took one look at your being "the smart kid" and said, "Hey, life is really good for 'smart kids', we should encourage this kind of thing even if we don't understand it." Even for those who _do_ understand the "smart kid" life, are willing to put their faith in that as a way of making sure the kid doesn't starve.
Being both a "smart kid" and now a father, and watching father / son interations (both my own father and my own sons), I can understand how Martin Luther's father pressed him to apply himself to his study to become a lawyer. If you look at Brother Martin's argumentations (including his own defense), it's clear he would have made a good one.
Is it not love -- "to will the good of the other" -- if it happens to be a good that that person isn't happy with at the time?
I'm grateful my parents forced me to learn to play the piano. It saved my life, about ten years ago. So there's that to consider too.
Sooo......all those people were the problem, and not you?? Have you ever once sat down and thought "hey, maybe it's not everyone else that is evil. Maybe they want the best for me and just don't understand me. Maybe I need to understand myself so I can self-actualize".
Seriously though....what are the casino odds that your life situation is due to a massive cabal of hundreds of people in your life colluding to keep you down? What are the odds that it's just you? What is the common denominator here? (I'll answer that - it's you dude. It's you).
It's pretty much the opposite of humility to call up every adult that had formative influence in your life and harangue them and blame them for all of your problems. After all, there are oodles of people who grew up in worse situations than you did and yet self-actualized quite nicely. You are the one who couldn't rise above. It's the opposite of what a recovering addict does - they contact those they have wronged and apologize, then they call up those who have wronged them and forgiven them.
Trust me - a 24 year-old calling people up who are twice their age and haranguing them is not going to be well-received, even if it is deserved. Nobody likes a cocky young person
@@bbainter7880 you sound triggered as f*** ngl 🤷♂️ I learned from my experience, and said pretty explicitly that it was a crazy and unnecessary thing to do and that it took me doing that to realize it was crazy. I'm not going to explain myself any further since clearly you're an angry triggered person not interested in actually reading what I wrote and instead choosing to substitute your narrative for my life. Have a better day ❤️
Are you sure you aren't experiencing type 2 bipolar?
I have to admit that people that type out such long comments on TH-cam scare me
1:14:50 “what you actually know is actually a very small section of what you believe (think) you know.”
Insert Luke’s fav George MacDonald quote.
"Where's my reward?"
"Here's this thing where you get $10k kid!"
"Hm, nah, still not doing it."
I like that though because he recognized that the reward was an artificial stimulus, not a natural consequence of his actions. Our society would look so much better if people rejected artificial stimuli (i.e. government subsidies).
32:34
This is a great question, but a better question might be the reversal,
why do you will be ok single?
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"Technology is like obesity for your mind." Well said.
hoe-math is awesome
1:11:50 the poor in wisdom you will always have with you.
That house sounds like the Del Mar Castle. Tony Robbins used to live there. Beautiful place and historic. Hit me up, Hoe_Math I’ve got pictures.
Hoe_Math is capitalizing on his videos. This is an Only Fans business model. lol
I knew hoe math would be your fave. :)
@@PaulVanderKlay Yes, thanks for promoting him.
He's not wrong about many things, but that doesn't mean he's not a troubled person
And how does that matter for the conversation?
No one growing up well adjusted finds their way into any of what HM's talking about. Same deal with The Red Pill et al
You couldn't be more wrong.
I was an NCO to a bunch of young men (and a few women) and saw every one of them struggle with this first hand. The situations he describes are very real and affect masses of well-adjusted people.
@@_BirdOfGoodOmen. That’s just not true. Many guys that grew up well adjusted get a very rude awakening when they find out female nature is not what they expected. Then they find the red pill - the guys that aren’t well adjusted take it and get bitter and angry and the well adjusted take certain aspects and apply it to their life and leave the toxic bs on
The floor
He's got things he's troubled about, that doesn't make him troubled anymore than someone calling you troubled
Confirmation is a big deal in the Catholic Church but I never received any money. I believe that I received a prayer book and a rosary. My older brother did receive a silver dollar from an uncle. Only rich Catholic kids got thousands of dollars at Confirmation. I didn’t know any rich Catholic kids.
Any man with a scientific worldview in this day and age,
is going to get his arse handed to him.
Growing up Pentecostal i got nothing for getting the Holy Ghost 😞
54:11 personal insult is the emergence of 2 household income as a baseline for survival in modern society! (Like you said, becoming slaves without realizing)
What if it's only the married people that think being single is a problem?
HM started the interview saying he had a mid, normal home life as a child, and then at 32 min he says there was a lot of abuse in his home. Which is it?
That's normal for a lot of kids. Consider yourself lucky that wasn't your normal.
But wait! Mr. Hoe Math is wearing a wedding band...
definately wasn't expecting a detour of Satanism in his backstory... that caught me a bit off guard.