Welding new sheet metal to 50 year old sheet metal can be tricky. The air hose is a must to help against warping but also helps cool the metal and less likely to blow holes through. This guy knows what he’s doing.
Tom, as a (sort of) pro body chap myself, yours is about the only channel I enjoy watching. No bull, no music, just straight to it by someone who really knows how to do the business. One comment on the whole MIG / TIG thing. I put my metal out bare, so there's absolutely nowhere to hide. I also charge by the hour, so my work has to be as close to invisible in bare metal as possible and very efficient. I settled on MIG as even with grinding it's fast, minimal distortion and looks really good. I tack every inch spending plenty of time making sure both metals are exactly level. Then infill the tacks to 1/2 in. After that I do full 1/2in runs, starting on top of one tack, running upto the next. Penetration is good and it's efficient. Quick grind to just above surrounding area, linish and move on. Good comment on not having corners on your repairs. I always think it's the most visual way of seeing if someone is doing quality repairs: if you see hard corners where there could have been a radius, you know it'll never be a top drawer job. Well done on your channel: excellent stuff!
Thank you for taking the time to write all that. That’s an interesting way you have developed them and I shell try it out of curiosity to see what it’s 👍 cheers for the nice comment. I’m hoping put enough information in the videos to help others wanting to learn. When I’m at work we get given set hours and have to make it as good as possible for the paint shop so I have to choose whatever method suits best at the time. Many thanks Tom 👍
I do exactly the same thing with 2 small differences, the first one is that I cut my wire before every restart, this permits the elimination of the small bubble that forms at the end of the wire so I can set my heat a bit lower, second, before doing my final filling, I grind my tacks flush so the restart asks for less heat.
Tig is great for bench-work when joining new steel to new steel. However, on the car, where the backside is often not accessible and not clean metal, the Tig is not practical since Tig does not seem to tolerate anything but surgically clean metal.
Really enjoyed the “real application” demo start to finish, side by side. It just couldn’t have been done any better for educational purposes. Well done.
Many years ago used to work in the aircraft industry and used TIG welding for aluminium panels, and it was the most controllable weld, so I would use TIG weld on your steel, and I would clamp a copper strip on the back when welding to take the heat away. Bob in the UK
I am more of a gap guy! I do tell any helpers I have, that there's plenty who use little to no gap, and have great results. I only started TIG welding a few years ago, and mostly use it welding door edges back together. It's amazing being able to fuse parts together with a little heat! Really good comparison vid. ✌️
Amazing job showcasing the differences in a clear and concise easy digestible manner. And might I add, great work as well for showcasing on the fly. I always seem to forget the difference between the two.
The TIG side may have looked better with a little more material being introduced from a rod instead of just melting both sides together. Either way this is an incredible demonstration of the differences between these two types of welding. Thank you for taking the time to produce such a well made video.
An issue with MIG welds is they are harder, hence more difficult to planish and more brittle. They are harder because MIG, even without rapid cooling cools faster than TIG. When you rapid cool it with air / water, you are directly quenching it, thus making the welds even harder and more brittle. Rapid cooling also tends to distort more because letting the weld cool more slowly allows the metal to relax slower into it's un-stressed shape better, whereas quenching rapidly cools it, locking it into a stressed state.
great video! MIG has a harder weld, where as TIG is a softer weld... I use MIG when I'm welding spot welds which are drilled out, an inconspicuous spot, floors, inner fenders, the structure part of a vehicle, or where a door or window seal is going to cover it, I use TIG to weld up a patch repair panel, so you can hammer/dolly the panel straight again, and less work dressing the welds...
High quality video and sound, great demonstration, straight forward, no BS, and very professional presentation. Thanks. I learned a lot. Cheers from an Aussie.
Nice comparison! I used to mig everything but nowadays it's mostly tig. When fusion welding thin sheet metal I like to clamp a copper bar on the back. This cools it a bit more and I can notice less "sugaring" on the back. I'm not that skilled so I know I'm putting more heat into it than I should .
Well done, looks awesome! Never thought to use air to cool down. I don't know if it's excessive, but what I would do is on each tack, weld a spot, move down, weld a spot, move down, weld a spot, all the way down, then back to the beginning, and it allows me to keep moving quickly without any concentrated heat. Then a wet rag if it starts building up. I never had any warpage that way, but like you say, everybody has their methods. Also I only did Mig, would love to try Tig.
Ive only ever used stick welder and done everything from steel bike frames to car panel repair...with a thin 1mm rod...but it takes forever. And tricky not to blow holes in it...time to get a mig!
Thanks for the video, excellent use of comparison between two welding methodologies. The elephant in the room for me is the fabrication of the small replacement piece, I guess that's a video for another day.
Generally speaking, while MG is a more simple weld, needing much less finesse than say TIG or MMA, it is more of a dirty weld and not so pretty as other processes.. MIG does have its place in many companies because with constant wire and gas, you can just keep going. On the other hand processes that use consumables often need to be tied in when using a new consumable and takes more skill to get that beautiful weld. Personaly for car body work, I feel maybe mig is a good option as your going to grind/polish the weld away anyway..
If your TIG machine has a pulse setting, this should in theory help you reduce your heat input and the resulting distortion, and also give you enough time between pulses to precisely place your series of overlapping spot welds. It would be nice to see how this approach would compare in your scenario. Using some .025" MIG wire as filler with the TIG torch would also be interesting. Thanks for the comparison.
I wonder what his post flow setting was if any with the argon v air blast with the tig.......I know what you're saying about the pulse rate, I usually only consider it with aluminum sheet but you are quite right.
@@smportis - yes, I think so. He wanted to show penetration thru the joint. It might be better to weld from the back side anyway, since the over-penetration will take less grinding than the hot side.
Very nice comparison between MIG and TIG welding sheet metal. I do like the results of the TIG process, although it appears to be a mor complicated process. Thank you.
Having learnt both, I'd say TIG simply requires quite a bit more practise. You'll have to coordinate both hands when working with filler material and I'd you have to movement the torch a bit more precise. But I won't say it's more complicated.
To prevent any warping or over heating I like to alternate from one end of panel to the other after about 10-15welds...Great video buddy very cool nice clean welds w/both mig&tig! It's inspiring me to get back at it maybe make a couple videos of my own!
this is what I was thinking when I was watching this video as well. @7:14 I was like NO., go to the other side, let that area cool down more. other than that, pretty much spot on.
Bloody brilliant video. I’m in two minds now, thanks for that! I’ve done countless hours of grinding mic welds on panels. Thanks heaps for all your efforts, they are muchly appreciated! 🇦🇺🤜🏼🤛🏼🍀😎
Nice work Brian. Your diagnosis on the filler rod was spot on. A thick filler rod cools the puddle more as it flows in… so a thinner rod helps in those situations
I like flux core myself, no gas, you can use a fan to blow away any fumes, it does require some practice, I remove the nozzle tip and can get in tight places well. Not saying "this is the way" but it works well for me. Cool vid.
Nice video. I use both MIG and TIG but lean towards MIG. 7:16 I'd like to suggest skipping around the weld joint with your tacks. This would allow the heat to dissipate more and prevent heat warpage. Cheers from Liverpool!
If I look at the heat affected zone ( bluish ) the result is about the same for both processes, one important thing you done is to avoid square corners, in fact, rounded corners helps greatly to control the distorsion. veru good video
I have to agree with the no gap preference. The gap takes more weld allowing more heat input, which can lead to more warpage, but obviously there’s people who do it the other way with great success, so definitely boils down to personal preference
Brilliant video, going to get my car sill done now! And, it will be rough and a little solid, also with filler applied to cover the crap welds. Like the wet rag application, I have set fire to a car in the past. Peace be unto you.
I referred TIG,less messing with the body,no heavy grinding which will also heat up the sheet metal and cause it wavy easily,then less following work.but seems like TIG welding requires more precise metal work like gap control
Great video, though I’ve never welded apart from a little bit of stick. Very calmly presented & without any loud blaring ridiculous music or background rubbish.. I’ll be happy to continue watching your videos..!
Awsome product!! It is compact and vary portable. It's great when I'm fishing that magnet holds the dynavap in place so it doesn't roll around. I use to carrie a dugout and a pinch hit. Nasty to clean always clogged and sticky the dynavap pared with this heater kicks ass‼️🔥
I always advocate doing things how you feel is good for you. Yea we can look at the research and tutorials, and follow SET processes, but ultimately when it comes to the finer points there is no "One size fits all". Another sub
Nice skills there Tom. I've never mastered the no filler method. I like to start the TIG run with a nice fat puddle from the filler rod. I start it away from the weld & run it in. I get less undercut problems & can run the weld quicker. If you slow down you'll blow a hole though. 😅
Had a 70 mustang in the day i was taught using brass coat hangers and flux , on the car. Beautiful work ,just removing panel is a chore expecialy rears.
Excellent comparison. 50 odd years ago I remember old hands talking about "hammer welding" The penny just dropped about what they meant. They were gas welding of course.
Hi metalshaper Tom. Thank you for the insights about the difference between MIG and TIG. Since I like soldering a lot, I might pull the plunge on a TIG machine. What would you recommend for welding together a rack that needs to hold 500kG of lithium cells out of 1,25"x 1,25"x 3-4mm steel square profile? With TIG you only need just one bottle of Argon for all materials so less equipment in my very petit eworkshop and this process is very clean as well. MIG is easier to learn and just welding together stuff is more quick and easy. I however like neat and being able welding Aluminium too (without an Aluminium thread on a MIG machine)
Compare the 2 in terms of brittleness: the forced cooled down MIG weld will I think break much faster plus it will be more difficult to manipulate. Plus show the penetration on the back please. And show the settings used please. Cheers
Loved the level of detail you’ve included in your commentary. Instead of grinding the mig welds I use a 40grit flap wheel. ( I’ve found the Purdi brand to be the best) I then finish levelling/shaping with a paint stripper disk. Less heat and better result. @Metal_shaper_tom have you tried a similar method?
Been fusion TIG welding body metal for 35 years, you need a thumb screw amp adjuster on your torch and no gap. Ultimate way is with oxy/acetylene, the weld is softer and will crush nicely in the wheeling machine.
Super vidéo 👍 Really cool to make this test Clean like this on a piece of car. I have also thé both welding 0,6 MiG gaz And tig and really is hard to make choice about qualiti. For me MiG have thé avantage to be easy and quicker on this type of work. Good job good vidéo Merci 👍
Хорошая демонстрация. Я работаю mig, необходимо много опыта и мастерства, чтобы сварить два тонких листа металла, чтобы после шлифовки выглядело как одно целое. Привет тебе из россии
I've got a 70's van riddled in rot & want to have a go at welding it myself, I did plan to get a mig but this made me want to try tig , I'm new to both should I just stick to mig or go tig , I'd learn either eventually right 🤷🏼
Just got one question after watching. Bit unclear whether this is a tutorial or not?? Nah jokes, many thanks for the informative content! I've just gone from flux core to mig in hopes of cleaner welds. Glad I don't have to deal with slag anymore. Cheers
I've the same welder, if you undo the screw by the buttons on the torch, the cover lifts off and you can unplug them and stop the unintended setting changes every time you move.
All you need is a fine tip and keep the flame going across the surface, not into it. I do it all the time. One big advantage is no electricity is needed. Just two gas bottles. Also the gas can be propane or even gasoline used in cars. You can weld, cut and braze all with one cheap setup.
Good job. Tig is definitely less work once you have the skill. Seems many start on mig and end up working there way up to being able to tig. I started using mig due to it being a cheaper way to get started. And one requiring less practice and skill building. However I’ve always been facilitated with tig welding and how less invasive it seems for sheet metal. Just can’t afford a good tig machine.
Me too I am in thailand they have all rubbish from China and for good tig No available only 1.6 mm can weld with tig no body car repair only usei g old style 20-30 ago all panel damaged they they make arts with patty even the insurance here know only change parts I am stuck need 200-300 good tig to do a 0.5 mm secondhand I am happy any help Bring anything more than $50 they charge you %30-40 tax
Hi mate....enjoyed your video....I have DIY migged for years...gas welded many years ago....and DIY arc welded a lot. Would love to know....when you TIG welder the repair section....mostly used no filer road....did you still have gas running....I was wondering is TIG could be used like gas welding of years ago....no flux it shield gas. Saying that maybe the oxy/acet acted as a shield. The other thing that I would like to know about TIG....can it be used for just heating metal....say for bending or heating a badly rusted nut to help get it off.....both without any gas. Nick.
I like to keep a damp rag held up against the backside of the panel when possible or get a helper to do it for you if you can't reach it, like welding up 1/4 panels and such, a spray bottle of water works good for hard to reach places especially if there's a potential of a fire. I've been doing body/paint work/ welding a little over 47 years and have accidentally burned 3 cars to the ground. I can mig and Tig both ' still prefer mig over Tig and mig over actylen like we did back in the older days. Lol
So I'm new to TIG and never done any body work but I'd like to sort some stuff out on my restoration project. This video was great! I'll be subscribing! Question: what is the purpose of dressing the weld? I can't see a discernable difference on the camera.
@@Metal_shaper_tom that's great, thanks for the info. What you say about releasing the tension makes a lot of sense since the cooling weld causes the two pieces of metal to be pulled together.
Great Vid mate 👍. As a beginner how do I know what settings to have my mig welder on ? I've messed about a bit sometimes with new holes 😮, other times without holes but a load of welding to be done 🤔, cheers 👏
Nice welding techniques, Just a quick question is it cheaper to weld on small panels on Mini or just but the whole new panel? I am thinking to buy a Mini and seen hundreds of video's about cutting rusty panels out and welding metal plates. Thanks
Not leaving a gap on the MIG side might work on a small stable piece like that. Welding on a larger "flat" surface (Door sheet) it's very hard to keep the sheet metal from "growing" and by that creating a ridge along the weld, this can be better controlled with a 1mm gap. At least up to 2,5mm sheet thickness I tend to leave a gap for better control on larger surfaces.
I have the same MIG torch and I got pretty fed up of accidentally nudging the amps up/down when using it, so I pulled out the connector to the buttons in the torch.
Welding new sheet metal to 50 year old sheet metal can be tricky. The air hose is a must to help against warping but also helps cool the metal and less likely to blow holes through. This guy knows what he’s doing.
Tom, as a (sort of) pro body chap myself, yours is about the only channel I enjoy watching. No bull, no music, just straight to it by someone who really knows how to do the business.
One comment on the whole MIG / TIG thing. I put my metal out bare, so there's absolutely nowhere to hide. I also charge by the hour, so my work has to be as close to invisible in bare metal as possible and very efficient. I settled on MIG as even with grinding it's fast, minimal distortion and looks really good.
I tack every inch spending plenty of time making sure both metals are exactly level. Then infill the tacks to 1/2 in. After that I do full 1/2in runs, starting on top of one tack, running upto the next. Penetration is good and it's efficient. Quick grind to just above surrounding area, linish and move on.
Good comment on not having corners on your repairs. I always think it's the most visual way of seeing if someone is doing quality repairs: if you see hard corners where there could have been a radius, you know it'll never be a top drawer job.
Well done on your channel: excellent stuff!
Thank you for taking the time to write all that. That’s an interesting way you have developed them and I shell try it out of curiosity to see what it’s 👍 cheers for the nice comment. I’m hoping put enough information in the videos to help others wanting to learn. When I’m at work we get given set hours and have to make it as good as possible for the paint shop so I have to choose whatever method suits best at the time. Many thanks Tom 👍
I do exactly the same thing with 2 small differences, the first one is that I cut my wire before every restart, this permits the elimination of the small bubble that forms at the end of the wire so I can set my heat a bit lower, second, before doing my final filling, I grind my tacks flush so the restart asks for less heat.
Where are you located?
@@danmarley2926 Me? Southeast of England.
@@rusty911s2 Oh okay. That's great to hear. I thought you were in the states. I needed work done and was going to ask you for help lol.
Tig is great for bench-work when joining new steel to new steel. However, on the car, where the backside is often not accessible and not clean metal, the Tig is not practical since Tig does not seem to tolerate anything but surgically clean metal.
Thanks. That is all I need to know. You literally just gave me 20 minutes of extra life.
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@@Brazill253rip op. me too.
Really enjoyed the “real application” demo start to finish, side by side. It just couldn’t have been done any better for educational purposes. Well done.
Thank you 👍
Many years ago used to work in the aircraft industry and used TIG welding for aluminium panels, and it was the most controllable weld, so I would use TIG weld on your steel, and I would clamp a copper strip on the back when welding to take the heat away. Bob in the UK
Thanks bob 👍
Idk how you control aluminium. It’s quite a frustrating metal for me to work with personally.
Many people who do welding videos skip to show how to fuse weld. That was helpful. Now I know what machine I need.
I am more of a gap guy! I do tell any helpers I have, that there's plenty who use little to no gap, and have great results. I only started TIG welding a few years ago, and mostly use it welding door edges back together. It's amazing being able to fuse parts together with a little heat! Really good comparison vid. ✌️
Thank you 👍
Yes, a little gaps makes the bead flatter.
@@MrSticks9999you mean leave gap better?
@@kawataufik5098 You need some gap for the puddle to sink rather than lay all on top.
@@kawataufik5098 More gap more chance for the puddle to sink lower.
Amazing job showcasing the differences in a clear and concise easy digestible manner. And might I add, great work as well for showcasing on the fly. I always seem to forget the difference between the two.
Air line to cool it down is a very good method. Thank you for sharing.
The TIG side may have looked better with a little more material being introduced from a rod instead of just melting both sides together.
Either way this is an incredible demonstration of the differences between these two types of welding.
Thank you for taking the time to produce such a well made video.
An issue with MIG welds is they are harder, hence more difficult to planish and more brittle. They are harder because MIG, even without rapid cooling cools faster than TIG. When you rapid cool it with air / water, you are directly quenching it, thus making the welds even harder and more brittle. Rapid cooling also tends to distort more because letting the weld cool more slowly allows the metal to relax slower into it's un-stressed shape better, whereas quenching rapidly cools it, locking it into a stressed state.
great video! MIG has a harder weld, where as TIG is a softer weld...
I use MIG when I'm welding spot welds which are drilled out, an inconspicuous spot, floors, inner fenders, the structure part of a vehicle, or where a door or window seal is going to cover it, I use TIG to weld up a patch repair panel, so you can hammer/dolly the panel straight again, and less work dressing the welds...
TIG weld are way stronger than mig weld for the amount of metal
High quality video and sound, great demonstration, straight forward, no BS, and very professional presentation. Thanks. I learned a lot. Cheers from an Aussie.
Thanks Aussie rob 👍
I like the demo of how to clean “dress”. Other channels seem to just show the welds on comparison. Great job.
Thank you 👍
Learned a lot,I have skills but it's the technic ,the approach.Retired hobby guy.Thanks
Nice comparison! I used to mig everything but nowadays it's mostly tig. When fusion welding thin sheet metal I like to clamp a copper bar on the back. This cools it a bit more and I can notice less "sugaring" on the back. I'm not that skilled so I know I'm putting more heat into it than I should .
That’s a great tip. Cheers. Jorgen 👍
Well done, looks awesome! Never thought to use air to cool down.
I don't know if it's excessive, but what I would do is on each tack, weld a spot, move down, weld a spot, move down, weld a spot, all the way down, then back to the beginning, and it allows me to keep moving quickly without any concentrated heat. Then a wet rag if it starts building up. I never had any warpage that way, but like you say, everybody has their methods.
Also I only did Mig, would love to try Tig.
If it gets you the results you want then there’s nothing wrong with what your doing.
Ive only ever used stick welder and done everything from steel bike frames to car panel repair...with a thin 1mm rod...but it takes forever. And tricky not to blow holes in it...time to get a mig!
Thanks for the video, excellent use of comparison between two welding methodologies. The elephant in the room for me is the fabrication of the small replacement piece, I guess that's a video for another day.
Generally speaking, while MG is a more simple weld, needing much less finesse than say TIG or MMA, it is more of a dirty weld and not so pretty as other processes..
MIG does have its place in many companies because with constant wire and gas, you can just keep going.
On the other hand processes that use consumables often need to be tied in when using a new consumable and takes more skill to get that beautiful weld.
Personaly for car body work, I feel maybe mig is a good option as your going to grind/polish the weld away anyway..
If your TIG machine has a pulse setting, this should in theory help you reduce your heat input and the resulting distortion, and also give you enough time between pulses to precisely place your series of overlapping spot welds. It would be nice to see how this approach would compare in your scenario. Using some .025" MIG wire as filler with the TIG torch would also be interesting. Thanks for the comparison.
I wonder what his post flow setting was if any with the argon v air blast with the tig.......I know what you're saying about the pulse rate, I usually only consider it with aluminum sheet but you are quite right.
Wait - did he reverse the front and back side for the demo? Confused.
@@smportis - yes, I think so. He wanted to show penetration thru the joint. It might be better to weld from the back side anyway, since the over-penetration will take less grinding than the hot side.
Very nice comparison between MIG and TIG welding sheet metal. I do like the results of the TIG process, although it appears to be a mor complicated process. Thank you.
Thank you! 👍
I don't see it as more complicated. Just a different process / skill set. Difficulty between mig & tig is about the same.
Having learnt both, I'd say TIG simply requires quite a bit more practise. You'll have to coordinate both hands when working with filler material and I'd you have to movement the torch a bit more precise. But I won't say it's more complicated.
To prevent any warping or over heating I like to alternate from one end of panel to the other after about 10-15welds...Great video buddy very cool nice clean welds w/both mig&tig! It's inspiring me to get back at it maybe make a couple videos of my own!
this is what I was thinking when I was watching this video as well. @7:14 I was like NO., go to the other side, let that area cool down more. other than that, pretty much spot on.
Bloody brilliant video.
I’m in two minds now, thanks for that!
I’ve done countless hours of grinding mic welds on panels.
Thanks heaps for all your efforts, they are muchly appreciated!
🇦🇺🤜🏼🤛🏼🍀😎
Nice work Brian. Your diagnosis on the filler rod was spot on. A thick filler rod cools the puddle more as it flows in… so a thinner rod helps in those situations
Excellent comparison showing the results that can be achieved with both welding processes. 👍👍
Thank you 👍
I like flux core myself, no gas, you can use a fan to blow away any fumes, it does require some practice, I remove the nozzle tip and can get in tight places well. Not saying "this is the way" but it works well for me. Cool vid.
The hard MIG weld is also more brittle. You can get an easy grind wire specifically for auto body work.
This demonstration was very enjoyable to view. The comparison is made easy by your effort. Thank you.
Thank you 👍
Nice video. I use both MIG and TIG but lean towards MIG. 7:16 I'd like to suggest skipping around the weld joint with your tacks. This would allow the heat to dissipate more and prevent heat warpage. Cheers from Liverpool!
If I look at the heat affected zone ( bluish ) the result is about the same for both processes, one important thing you done is to avoid square corners, in fact, rounded corners helps greatly to control the distorsion.
veru good video
Thank you 👍
One of the best mig vs tig videos I think I have seen. I did have the question about can you use tig without wire and you have answered it.
Thanks fo watching. Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Quick out the door Mig it. First class TIG it.
I have to agree with the no gap preference. The gap takes more weld allowing more heat input, which can lead to more warpage, but obviously there’s people who do it the other way with great success, so definitely boils down to personal preference
It's time for me to learn how to TIG. Thanks for the video. I appreciate you taking the time to show the differences.
Love the Video.... Informative and No annoying background music!
Brilliant video, going to get my car sill done now! And, it will be rough and a little solid, also with filler applied to cover the crap welds. Like the wet rag application, I have set fire to a car in the past. Peace be unto you.
I've been thinking of buying a TIG for body welding for a long time, but now I see that I'm going to continue with MIG
I referred TIG,less messing with the body,no heavy grinding which will also heat up the sheet metal and cause it wavy easily,then less following work.but seems like TIG welding requires more precise metal work like gap control
Great video, though I’ve never welded apart from a little bit of stick.
Very calmly presented & without any loud blaring ridiculous music or background rubbish..
I’ll be happy to continue watching your videos..!
Thanks 👍
Awsome product!! It is compact and vary portable. It's great when I'm fishing that magnet holds the dynavap in place so it doesn't roll around. I use to carrie a dugout and a pinch hit. Nasty to clean always clogged and sticky the dynavap pared with this heater kicks ass‼️🔥
Thanks for the info!
An excellent demonstration Tom. Very easy to follow and to understand. Great video!
Thank you Glenn 👍
Nice job, I usually braze all my panels but now I am going to buy a Tig and start learning that process.
You won’t regret it 👍
I always advocate doing things how you feel is good for you. Yea we can look at the research and tutorials, and follow SET processes, but ultimately when it comes to the finer points there is no "One size fits all". Another sub
Thanks a lot, it was a beautiful demostration, you help me a lot, hi from Argentina, keep that amazing work
Thank you for the nice comment 👍
Excellent! Just what i was looking for. TIG it is then for my rocker panel replacement on my F150 crew cab. 👍🙏
Silicon bronze works well too. It’s also like 1000 degrees cooler than steel mig welding
Nice skills there Tom. I've never mastered the no filler method. I like to start the TIG run with a nice fat puddle from the filler rod. I start it away from the weld & run it in. I get less undercut problems & can run the weld quicker. If you slow down you'll blow a hole though. 😅
Stick to what you know Tony if it works for you then great 👍
Had a 70 mustang in the day i was taught using brass coat hangers and flux , on the car. Beautiful work ,just removing panel is a chore expecialy rears.
Very helpful video, thanks!! I think I'll try tig first, since I prefer the tig process for most other applications.
Vehicle body welding is something I wanna learn it’s something i need to learn
TIG seems to be more elegant and cleaner in use to me. I might have to TIG myself up. Nice job on both of those sections though.
Tom, excellent no nonsense video..proper craftsman
Thank you Alan
Excellent comparison.
50 odd years ago I remember old hands talking about "hammer welding"
The penny just dropped about what they meant. They were gas welding of course.
Thank you 👍
Sorry. It´syour mistake. Not gaz. Hammer only, with fire.
@@zaverecnynavrh1047 you thinking of forge welding?
thanks for the knowledge..im new and learning now how to weld properly.
I never knew how labor intensive this is!🤯
Hi metalshaper Tom. Thank you for the insights about the difference between MIG and TIG.
Since I like soldering a lot, I might pull the plunge on a TIG machine.
What would you recommend for welding together a rack that needs to hold 500kG of lithium cells out of 1,25"x 1,25"x 3-4mm steel square profile?
With TIG you only need just one bottle of Argon for all materials so less equipment in my very petit eworkshop and this process is very clean as well.
MIG is easier to learn and just welding together stuff is more quick and easy.
I however like neat and being able welding Aluminium too (without an Aluminium thread on a MIG machine)
Compare the 2 in terms of brittleness: the forced cooled down MIG weld will I think break much faster plus it will be more difficult to manipulate. Plus show the penetration on the back please. And show the settings used please. Cheers
Well done, pro work. nice video. Car body is rare for me so that was very informative. THANK-YOU.
Thank you William 👍
Loved the level of detail you’ve included in your commentary.
Instead of grinding the mig welds I use a 40grit flap wheel. ( I’ve found the Purdi brand to be the best) I then finish levelling/shaping with a paint stripper disk. Less heat and better result.
@Metal_shaper_tom have you tried a similar method?
Been fusion TIG welding body metal for 35 years, you need a thumb screw amp adjuster on your torch and no gap.
Ultimate way is with oxy/acetylene, the weld is softer and will crush nicely in the wheeling machine.
Great job. I need to learn to Tig. Clean up sucks with my Mig.
Fantastic video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Super vidéo 👍
Really cool to make this test Clean like this on a piece of car.
I have also thé both welding
0,6 MiG gaz
And tig and really is hard to make choice about qualiti.
For me MiG have thé avantage to be easy and quicker on this type of work.
Good job good vidéo
Merci 👍
Yes I completely agree. The mig is a lot easier 👍 thanks for watching
Хорошая демонстрация. Я работаю mig, необходимо много опыта и мастерства, чтобы сварить два тонких листа металла, чтобы после шлифовки выглядело как одно целое. Привет тебе из россии
Nice video Tom, really good illustration of what both processes can achieve.
Thanks rtech 👨🏭
Great demo. Exactly what I wanted to see.😊
I've got a 70's van riddled in rot & want to have a go at welding it myself, I did plan to get a mig but this made me want to try tig , I'm new to both should I just stick to mig or go tig , I'd learn either eventually right 🤷🏼
Mig is a much easier option. With Tig it’s all down to your prep work, it has to be spot on
Hi Tom, great video. What kind of grinding wheel did you use to knock down the mig welding?
We call the flapper discs for the grinder and roloc for the air tool.
Just got one question after watching. Bit unclear whether this is a tutorial or not??
Nah jokes, many thanks for the informative content! I've just gone from flux core to mig in hopes of cleaner welds. Glad I don't have to deal with slag anymore. Cheers
🤣👍 wise decision I hate the flux core migs good luck with it 👨🏭
@@Metal_shaper_tom thank you
Great video Tom! I really hope the channel grows, you deserve it.
Thanks Simon! I hope so to 🤞🤞🤞
I'd like to see how you made that sample patch panel. Ty.
I've the same welder, if you undo the screw by the buttons on the torch, the cover lifts off and you can unplug them and stop the unintended setting changes every time you move.
I was taught to backpedal gas weld with a .000 tip using deox rod and a hammer/dolly. RG45? I believe.
Cool channel btw. 👍
Thank you 👍
@@Metal_shaper_tom Yea, anyone beatin’ panels is Aces in my book!
Hi Tom would like to see you showing people how to do a patch with Oxy acetylene gas welding
Great point. I need to get a set up in my workshop first before I can do this
All you need is a fine tip and keep the flame going across the surface, not into it. I do it all the time. One big advantage is no electricity is needed. Just two gas bottles. Also the gas can be propane or even gasoline used in cars. You can weld, cut and braze all with one cheap setup.
Good job. Tig is definitely less work once you have the skill. Seems many start on mig and end up working there way up to being able to tig. I started using mig due to it being a cheaper way to get started. And one requiring less practice and skill building. However I’ve always been facilitated with tig welding and how less invasive it seems for sheet metal. Just can’t afford a good tig machine.
They can be pricey but great when you master it. Hopefully you fine a cheap you so you can try it
Me too I am in thailand they have all rubbish from China and for good tig No available only 1.6 mm can weld with tig no body car repair only usei g old style 20-30 ago all panel damaged they they make arts with patty even the insurance here know only change parts I am stuck need 200-300 good tig to do a 0.5 mm secondhand I am happy any help
Bring anything more than $50 they charge you %30-40 tax
Very well explained and demonstrated..
Hi mate....enjoyed your video....I have DIY migged for years...gas welded many years ago....and DIY arc welded a lot.
Would love to know....when you TIG welder the repair section....mostly used no filer road....did you still have gas running....I was wondering is TIG could be used like gas welding of years ago....no flux it shield gas.
Saying that maybe the oxy/acet acted as a shield.
The other thing that I would like to know about TIG....can it be used for just heating metal....say for bending or heating a badly rusted nut to help get it off.....both without any gas.
Nick.
Your pick hammer look just like my first Snap-on body hammer 40 years ago.
That was a great comparison.
Thank you 👍
I like to keep a damp rag held up against the backside of the panel when possible or get a helper to do it for you if you can't reach it, like welding up 1/4 panels and such, a spray bottle of water works good for hard to reach places especially if there's a potential of a fire. I've been doing body/paint work/ welding a little over 47 years and have accidentally burned 3 cars to the ground. I can mig and Tig both ' still prefer mig over Tig
and mig over actylen like we did back in the older days. Lol
Thanks . Only the 3 cars, that’s good going! I like the damp rag approach 😂
Excellent welding! I wish I was as good as you!
So I'm new to TIG and never done any body work but I'd like to sort some stuff out on my restoration project. This video was great! I'll be subscribing!
Question: what is the purpose of dressing the weld? I can't see a discernable difference on the camera.
Hi. Your always need to dress the weld to dress it flat and to release the tension after the the weld has shrunk the surrounding area. Hope this helps
@@Metal_shaper_tom that's great, thanks for the info. What you say about releasing the tension makes a lot of sense since the cooling weld causes the two pieces of metal to be pulled together.
Great Vid mate 👍. As a beginner how do I know what settings to have my mig welder on ? I've messed about a bit sometimes with new holes 😮, other times without holes but a load of welding to be done 🤔, cheers 👏
Nice welding techniques, Just a quick question is it cheaper to weld on small panels on Mini or just but the whole new panel? I am thinking to buy a Mini and seen hundreds of video's about cutting rusty panels out and welding metal plates. Thanks
Personally on a mini. If you can afford it then replace it.
thanks Tom. great video. hello from Australia
Hello 👋 thanks for watching and good luck with your channel
@@Metal_shaper_tom thanks very much!
Hi Tom thanks for the Video. Can you tell us what mig settings you used. I have tried fast and hot and slow and cold and everything in between.
Around 60 amps. Check out my video mig like Tig and that’s a better demonstration 👍
I was thinking I wanted a MIG over a TIG and you just confirmed it.😊 thank you.
Thanks for showing us all that
i do everything with my TiG for me its the best for control heat and welding :)
Not leaving a gap on the MIG side might work on a small stable piece like that. Welding on a larger "flat" surface (Door sheet) it's very hard to keep the sheet metal from "growing" and by that creating a ridge along the weld, this can be better controlled with a 1mm gap. At least up to 2,5mm sheet thickness I tend to leave a gap for better control on larger surfaces.
MiG wire makes a big diff too. Some like you said are hard. But special wire is softer
awesome video and awesome comparison, I am teaching myself to tig weld for the neater finish so please please put out a vid of some specifics
Thanks 👍 Yeah I think I will. I might do a series from the basics up to welding bodywork
@@Metal_shaper_tom dont steal my idea lol, I have already started a series teaching myself in the aid to help others
@@DGRetroCustoms 😂 I’ll give you a shout out!
@@Metal_shaper_tom 🤣🤣fair enough lol
I have the same MIG torch and I got pretty fed up of accidentally nudging the amps up/down when using it, so I pulled out the connector to the buttons in the torch.
Cheers I’ll give that a go!
Also… the large Furick diffuser cups definitely need more Argon flow than a conventional cup.
Great upload!!!Great result. On the mig do you use argon co2 mix? I use only co2 and have been told argon or atal is better.
Thank you thank you. I use the co2 mix co2 by its self does work so I’ve been told but you don’t always get good results.
The only weld i can afford is JB WELD! Must feel nice to weld the real way, despite what technique/machine being used for the process. Excellent job!
.. Ace work, Tom ,. I'm enjoying your channel,.. Keep-up the good work ,..
Thank you 👍
Hey man! You are not MIG-ing, You`re MAG-ing. Round edges is a good tip,
Great video! First comparison video I’ve watched. One and done 👍
Thanks for the good information
Great video. Well done.
Very impressed would be interested in the ampage of the tig and the mig
23 amp with the Tig and 65 for the mig 👍