Busting FAKE Internet Welds, and Doing Them Better.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- When setting out Busting FAKE internet welds it's easy to find stuff you'd do differently, but it always gives us the opportunity to learn. In this episode I go over a few common things we've all seen on the internet, and what we can take from them to level up our welding and grinding game. Let's go!
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when are you going to get a tig torch back cap that looks like a butt plug?
I agree with you!
It's important to have good penetration...
😂
because no one likes to be fooled, and this guy explains well
Knowledge is power
Ok I just have to say it. You kinda look like Hank Azeria. Or am I the only one?!
The guy that taught me to REALLY weld... he handed me a file and a grinder and said: "These are the tools you will use the most. Learn how to use them."
25+ years later... I can confirm. I spend FAR more time grinding and prepping metal for welding than I do on the welds.
I think that 90% of a good weld is in the prep.
@@paulkurilecz4209 Been welding for 10-odd years, easily 80-90% of the job is preparation. Getting the parts you need, breaking (bending) them as/if needed, surface cleaning, work space prep, dry fitting and tacking parts in place to ensure everything fits correctly, replacing parts that don't because someone screwed up somewhere in the chain (happens more than one realizes, usually blame the engineer or CAD person). And then, once everything is together, then you weld out. After welding, you've got more surface cleaning, weld dressing/grinding if required, adding additional parts that could not be added before....
The process just goes on and on depending on how complex or large the part is, but it's very easy for me to say that, as a welder, I spend maybe 10-15% of my working day, actually welding. The rest of the time is spent either inventing new curses while getting parts to fit together, marking parts before assembly, or waiting on parts to be made.
@@paulkurilecz4209 It's how batman always wins PREP TIME. Be like batman. Weld like batman 😎🦇
My grandpa was a naval engineer and he taught me. “ 95% of any job is prep and 5% execution.” Having jumped all around trade jobs. I can confirm he was in fact, correct. I have often done better quality work than veterans of industries like plumbing, electrician, fiberglass repair, and paint just because I spent more time and effort prepping.😊
@@brettweltz8135 This is true. If you don't take the time to prepare your welds you will spend all of the time trying to fix the problems that comes from not spending enough time.
Why am i watching this? I don't even have a welder.
Lol same but these damn welding vids do come by. I dont know why though....
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
I also don't have a welder but here I am.
Thanks for helping me catch myself in a brainrot spiral
I passed my mechanical engineering apprenticeship 50 years ago. Our welding instructors were brilliant, and prepared us for a lifetime of engineering. Your instructions in this post were spot on, you have weld preparation which often took longer than the welding to do. Having the amps too high can cause undercutting, which can result in a weakened weld. Good post, thank you. 👍
I'm looking to go into mechanical engineering apprenticeships. Is it a good choice? What was your experience?
@@JDR71326 everything is good choice wink wink
That trick with the tape got me like " In all my 40 years, your tellin me..... aint no way!"
*breathless sputtering sounds *
tape works well if all you do is use scotch hand pad.
but if you want to use power tools it will not hold up because it gets too hot. For that i always use 0.2mm Stainless steel foil ( and some double-sided tape ) which works great :)
@@2mD thanks
Cross over!
it's really sad how many welders don't know simple things like this. what's even more sadder is the fact that they don't teach things like this in shop classes or tech schools
They have to teach the basics. Unfortunately, many students take an entire course just getting decent at them. More advanced techniques have to wait until people’s skill levels are good enough.
More sadder indeed
It's sad that they think every weld must be grindrled off... if not for specific aesthetics leave the weld alone where it is..
It's a subject better left to vocational colleges.
That's why fake artisan have more viewers than real artisan
Me who has never welded, doesn't watch the fake weld videos, and doesn't plan on welding watching this TH-cam video start to finish
I felt this 😂
Same. Might pick it up as a hobby later in life if I get bored so ill sub
As a degreed welding engineer, I confirm that everything @PacificArcTigWelding is stating is correct. Thing thank you for sharing content like this--it holds the world together.
quick question. which school? Ohio State is the only one i know with a BS in welding engineering. that's based on a comment made by Thomas Eager in his fusion welding class. just curious. cheers!
@@rodanone4895 Letourneau University! That's where I went. It's fancy formal term is Materials Joining Engineering. Between LeTourneau, The Ohio State and Ferris State, that's it for formal engineering programs. If you want to go Welding Engineering Tech, that opens up to additional colleges like Cal Poly, Penn State and more.
@@rodanone4895 LeTourneau University! There's actually two in the US. The Ohio State and LeTourneau are the only two with formal BS Welding Engineering degrees. Once you go Engineering Technology, there are more, like Ferris State, Cal Poly, Penn state to name a few. Ohio State's program is definitely the largest. For every ten that graduate from Ohio, LeTourneau will graduate only one.
@@rodanone4895 LeTourneau University! Between that an The Ohio State, there's actually two universities with the formal BS in Welding Engineering in the US. If you expand it to Engineering Technology, Farris, Penn State, and Cal Poly are options as well. The Ohio State's Welding Engineering program is much larger than LETU. Ohio graduates ten students for ever one LETU does.
@@nateatgoodmayhemracing4597 thank you so much for this. I'm an EE by trade. I worked on a MIG supply for a customer... then was hooked... next i found the MIT lectures on metal.... there's so much to learn. then there's the simple joy of developing a process and refining it. I'll check these places out. familiar with Penn State. did not realize.....
Really good advice. Amateur welder here, mostly doing stuff that just needs to hold together and doesn’t need to look pretty, so it’s great getting tips on things I can do to make it look more professional and polished without doing much to my actual weld
Who else is watching this and don't have a welder?
Most of us no shame is intrest
@@thegreatunknown8075 agreed
Hey, I didn't come here to be attacked, man.
I don't even know how too 😅
I know nothing about welding. But what Pacific ATW says in this video all make really sense. Viral videos are mostly worth nothing, other than inspiration or ideas for doing something properly
Solid vid! Thanks for the shoutout!
When I learned to weld, we were practicing on some 3mm steel and trying all the configurations and joint types to get the hang of it, and a few people in my class would keep doing this tack welding stuff. My instructor had to sit them down and say "this is 3mm plate, and this is a lap joint. If the HAZ isn't at least half an inch out, you didn't go deep enough". This was from arc and oxy welding.
No matter how small of weld ,I weld like someone's life depends on it.
This is a great principle and can be applied to so many things.
”What does it matter? No-one is going to see it or care.”
- Even the most insignificant job you do is a practice run for the jobs that do matter. Use them wisely.
plus you can actually get paid better for work.
It's called integrity. Both character integrity and structural integrity are on the line
+1000 aura
They needed more people like you to build the Titanic.
For some reason making a groove for the welds that need to be ground off never occurred to me, but it makes so much sense
I really appreciate all the hard work at the end to clean up the final product. None of it was strictly necessary for the overall point of the video but it really just goes to show the care you take in your craft and definitely sets your work apart. I'm a terrible welder but I spent a lot of time working in a cabinet shop so I can manhandle a DA sander like it's nobody's business. This is such a throwback to that time.
Great video. I did tack-up on a cut-to length line so all my welds were removed. I never got the knack of putting down a great bead, but I never get tired of watching a great welder work.
Never welded before in my life but this makes me want to suck at it for a good while. So cool!
I like how he spends so much time explaining how to grind it, which can be as important as the weld if it's a cosmetic part.
My Grandfather Erik used to be a welder, all the way up to his passing in 2007. I myself am not a welder but I have always wondered what the career is like, this is a great video looking into that.
- I would never have thought about adding a bevel but now you showed me, it makes a tone of sense, it kinda reminds of how when you use epoxy, you want to rough up the surfaces to make sure the glue adheres better (a smooth surface = less adhesion thus a joint that can break).
I know it's not welding but all the sanding and stuff too is very helpful as well
Just wanted to say thank you for sharing your online classes for free. I figured I'd watch one and see what I thought and it helped me decide to finally go buy a MIG welder and start learning! 😁
I have learnt so so much in this video. I have been powder coating for 8 years, polishing for 2 and been a mechanic since I’ve been a little boy lol. I’m about to start school for welding here in just two weeks. With all the experience I have your video has taught me so much in just a few 15 minutes. Can’t wait to start watching more thank you
As a self-employed landscaper who repairs his own tools and equipment, I've got first-hand experience in how my own bad welds have failed under load (not to mention store-bought stuff that was never welded properly to begin with!), and learning to correct my mistakes. That makes me very frustrated when I see these TH-cam Shorts/TikTok "welding" videos, and even I, as a self-admitted non-expert, can tell everything they're doing wrong! Which leads me to one very penetrating question: WHY CAN THESE PEOPLE NOT LEARN TO RUN A BEAD!?
Im not into welding, but youtube brought me here. It was just satisfying watching you do your work. Love it. great video!
While being a Firewatch for the welder welding a SS pipe I noticed he wasn't using any rod. He was finished but was going over the bead just with the TIG torch.
When I asked him what he was doing he said he was _washing_ it. He explained it a bit but have noticed on all the vids I have watched no one has brought up _washing._ And I haven't seen anyone doing it.
If it was the cap, what he was doing is cleaning the oxide layer off using the Argon that comes out of the torch. Same idea as purging the oxygen out of the inside of the pipe using Argon. An oxide layer will make a black sugar on the inside. Any inclusions of anything other than the weld metal will make the weld weak. Even a tiny bit of rust.
@@Useruserusername790
So, instead of using a brush or sandpaper he was using argon? I'm pretty sure the torch was live and remelting the weld...it was a long time ago.
This was also a pipe and I believe he welded it in multiple passes.
@@dave_ecclectic if he was welding without a filler rod then yeah that's wrong. That's not what Cleaning means. To "clean" you stop the arc and use the Argon to blow off the oxide layer just like using a Airduster to blow a layer of dust off of a surface. You sand the metal shiny before you weld on it. But with Tig all it is, is an oxide layer there's no Flux like stick, Mig makes a glass layer.
@@Useruserusername790
He wasn't really welding as that was complete. He was, If I remember correctly, remelting the last or top metal and rearranging it. The process was slow, so I don't think he was doing anything special with the argon.
He didn't say he was cleaning it. he said he was _washing_ it.
BTW his weld looked just fine before he washed it, to my untrained and casual eye.
@@dave_ecclectic cleaning it or washing it is the same thing. Just think about a solid stick being melted, while it's molten it can get airbubbles in it from oxygen argon keeps oxygen out. And when a Bead of weld is cooling oxygen tries to rush back in and that's why Tig welds get those Heat colors you see on Pretty tig welds. That's an oxide layer but it's not a rust. Stainless steel has nickle in it and nickle is what gives it the antirust property the chrome in it gives it the mirror look.
I appreciate this. I saw the video Justin made when it came out. Working in a fab shop, we try and make the joints easy for fitup. It's up to the welder to get fusion and penetration after that. I take my work seriously and question anything that can't be done by a simple joint I see online.
A good fitter makes a good welder.
6:45 Can someone explain to me what the problem is from cross contamination? I'm not questioning this guys expertise I'm just curious as to why
Not an expert here but for stainless steel for example having carbon steel contamination will reduce the anti-corrosion properties of the stainless. Aluminium is another one where impurities can have a big impact on the quality and strength of the weld
I really love how thorough you are with your explanations and diagrams, you explained what was wrong and why and also what would happen if you copied the original video. I hope your video gets recommended to those that would have been inclined to follow the original video and ended up with, depending on the usage, dangerous structures that they would believe to be strong and safe.
Zero interest in becoming a welder, but this video is amazing. Those welding shorts are everywhere and this calls them out so well.
Man, if you ended up with a diploma in welding engineering, metallurgy, appreciation of stress analysis and weld design, you'd be unstoppable. I always respect and admire guys coming off the shop floor who are proud of their craft. As a welding metallurgist, I find them to be best guys when it comes to having a very good handle on structural integrity. Can't weld for shit, but can tell what would happen to your fatigue life if that undercut or porosity isn't addresed. In some applications, grinding of the weld toes and excess weld metal or reinforcement is a must, lest you want to be dealing with stress corrosion cracking in austenitic stainless. Not so important on a carbon steel hardtail rig.
I have never welded before. I don't know why this video ended up in my reccommended. I loved watching and learning about welding 😊
Did not realize the flap disk tip. Thanks for that, I’ll use the knowledge to make my welding table look (and hopefully function) better
Man, I work in construction and that means sometimes getting to see and experiment professional welders and their products... Half of them are "professionals" and especially after seeing the work done in this video. HOLY SMOLY; That's art, man.
To be honest, i love working on wood in USA especially Japanese style connection with no glue, nail or screw but when i retired, i stayed in Thailand, woods in here are so expensive it cost me arm & legs & the prices are so outrageous that sometimes there are tiny hole where baby termites had live inside & they excavate it into a powder, i made up my mind to use metal in making household furnitures like a homemade kitchen or bathroom lavatory or sink, metals in Thailand are cheap & everything came out on recycle scrap metal melted & reform it into long 1x2x32 meters in different sizes, this is where i started & learning how to hold an electric welding equipment & connect two metals together by the use of welding electrode, i check every welding channel to learn more & i am fascinated from your program how clean & straight on your work & so organized your metal table is for welding process, thank you for showing me your educational video & subscribe from you channel
Thanks for showing the proper welds and methods.
I had never taken the welding in those videos seriously, just the “intended” step. And more for the conceptual cuts for the bends to be welded and not for weld technique.
Like origami, and making an example fold but nothing in particular and using tape or dot of glue to hold it for the photo op.
Good heavens, those close-up shots are beautiful.
Dusty I think also watching the MIG passes, they didn't use a lens shade on the camera, so that makes me think the second one is fake, Thank you as always for all the great videos!
I don’t know how to weld and I found this useful. Great concise explanation
Also a certified welder here! Though MIG/MAG for me, haha.
Even if I don't have the intent to grind off my welds. I STILL make bevels before welding. Honestly it's jusy the easiest thing to do.
This was an amazing video!
It’s a good “practice/habit” to do, but not necessary in all situations.
@@lookingbehind6335 Not all, but about 90% of the time. Yeah. It does. At least for me and my work.
The difference between doing it fast and doing it right. Well done.
Never seen your videos before, but I definitely saw that Sumerian Record sticker, good taste ;)
hey Man, nice video. FIrst time viewer. I think I would have really liked to have seen a strength test between the proper welds like you did, vs the fake welds. just really drive your point home
Nice, concise, and instructionally informative.
Thank you.
as a construction Super i can say for sure ive never seen a weld this clean in my life in the field
As a former construction welder it's because nobody gives a shit
@@dbio305 facts
Great Information Dusty....cheers from Florida, Paul
Hi Paul! I really appreciate you checking out this episode, looks like I might be headed to Florida for fabTech , maybe see you there!
So I used to weld a little bit at a shipyard many years ago but these days I do 3D graphic design and what really stood out to me is how you use light and reflections on the surface to determine how clean the angles on the surfaces are which is exactly what I do to inspect the topography on my 3D models, by using a glossy material and rotating the object to see how the light falls on it. Just thought it was funny how some of the techniques used in real life are the same as those when working on virtual things :D
Amazing tips here. that miter trick? Simple but mind-blowing.
This is so well done for a welding video lol I love it, great job
The knowledge you share is really useful. Thank you
interested layman here. this video is like a work of art, truly everything wrong and right about the internet wrapped up in a neat little bow. (that being, genuine people with love & care for their craft, and grifters)
I have no need or much interest in welding. But I am very impressed with your videos. You are an excellent teacher.
Nice to see I’m not the only welder who knows what he’s doing.
As a professional custom cabinet maker I appreciate how you explained your sanding and grinding process. 👌👌👌🤘
This so different to the kind of welding work I do myself. I mostly weld stuff that is getting repaired, like farmers equipment, excavator buckets etc and build simple things like supports for water tanks, lifting boom for my own tractor loader etc. The key words in my work are strong, sturdy and not taking too long. I prepare my welds of course by removing rust, paint etc. And of course beveling where needed. But a lot of the time I have to quickly build up space in cracks etc and looks isn’t the thing. My welds pretty much never breaks. I use two different ESAB MIG/MAG welders, an LKA160 (230V) and an older 400A 3-phase 400V. Even though my stuff is so different from yours it is still interesting to see. And don’t talk MIG/MAG down: bridges, wind turbine towers, piprlines and ships are welded with this techno today. It is all about how you treat the things you have on hand. 😎
Been wanting to get a career as a welder so this video and channel are great! Thanks for the free help and tips, it is very nice to see
Justin at the Fabrication series is that man. Great content
I like that the grinding/sanding thing is similar but logically more intense than working with wood
Definitely gonna pick up a Welding class next year.
I learnt in sheet metal school, but was never any good with it despite how much i enjoyed it. These are excellent tips.
I have never welded anything or had the want to weld anything but after watching this video i feel like i could weld decently well and find welding pretty cool
I am in no way shape or form, a welder. But, I have been lucky enough to be present to watch some insane welding up close. I have watched some very skilled people weld together 3 inch thick steel plates together to make roughly 80,000 lb massive bulkheads that seal up reactors for submarines. And let me tell you, the insane amount of bevel they make before the 42ft long welds (plus or minus depending on boat class) is mind boggling. So... Much.... Weld.... Awesome vid!!
wow an amazing job. Full of tricks and details, so practical. Thanks. My boss and I like your videos alot.🤝
Hi from the uk
From my perspective if you have to grind a weld off to tidy the appearance then the weld was most likely a poor weld, a good weld is a thing of beauty to be shown off. I know its not welding but look at the late 70s Harris magnum suzuki frames they were bronze welded and truly great to see
Keep up the good work
I’m glad you exposed the fake welders. You have great technique. But in actual fabrication it is much cheaper to bend than fabricate radius via weld.
I've suffered from fibromyalgia since I was 19, soon turning 44, intending to become a licensed professional welder via a special course over here in Sweden. Good video - I have the right stuff in my head already and look forward to the future, I called BS and facepalmed at those viral videos that give no regard to treating the material before or after. If I didn't know any better I'd say they explain a lot of tofu-dreg incidents.
I agree with what you are saying about what you are doing. There is absolutely no doubt there. I don't see how it compares to what you are scrutinizing. Those other videos are using thin wall steel (even maybe galvanized ) tubing, and ARC; or Flux Core MIG. They have to "spot" weld to not burn through, They even mention using thin wall tubing in their titles usually.
My main take away from them is the way the tubing is cut for different joints and corners.
Nice video, an eye opener for sure. Consider one friendly advice. Too many people think they are welding gods, and there is too many "I"s in the video.
It's not a sales channel it's an educational one
A soft backer interface helps a ton with dishing and keeping rounded edges uniform. If you're into this type of stuff.
Very true I find that the welding statement you’re making in this video can also be applied to steam glass projects too much or too little can affect the quality of the project
To be honest your welds look so nice if I had you do a job for me, I would probably ask you to not grind it down, the neatness and consistency adds so much interesting texture to the work, it's beautiful in its own right.
The tiny Xenomorph in the back is awesome
Joining the chorus of "I don't own a welder, why am I here?" 😂
I don't weld at all or planning to do it any time in the future, but at 2 am youtube showed me this so I have to finish it as a task.
thanks!
now it's harder for me to watch other welds without nitpicking.
Why is this being recommended for me, i kinda enjoy this
That is beautiful lined 😍
Hey! You're Canadian! Mastercraft sander gave it away 😂 I'm an Alberta boy my self 🤙 I'm not a welder, but I have an appreciation for the art
I never want to weld, it's just not my cup of tea. However, this video was very informative which I appreciate, keep up the good work.
As a Brewmaster I love a great stainless welder, I applaud your craftsmanship and your willingness to educate. Now if I could convince more people that made in America is worth the cost vs cheep Chinese crap.
Never welded, I want to get one now and start practicing lol. Been wanting to for a while
I have touched a welder exactly once in my entire life, why did I spend 11 minutes of my life watching a video on welding?
Awesome video! The weld-gap factor is missing V grove versus bevel could be explained further. Either-way max stars! In the past years I had minimum 30 guys "certified welders" in and out of my shop none of them was "qualified". Don't have to say none of 'm works here anymore. So all those: "I know how to weld" watch this videos and please learn more
This is such a niche video subject; I have no idea how I ended up here. One second I'm watching Bobby Duke make a banana knife, next second I'm watching a video about welding.
Great job on the video. Though I legitimately wonder if you know that files only cut in one direction? The machinists I've spoken with would suggest that sawing back and forth really tears them up and shortens their life.
They tease you. Only dumb would believe that shit.
That's an old myth. If you think about how much harder than the material you're filing is, the amount of effort required to cause damage to the file is ALOT. That being said, one always "lifts" the pressure off.
@@mikeford963 It would be interesting to see a test of this. I'm sure there are a lot of people on each side of the fence on this. I'm off to see if anyone has done a test on it yet! Thanks for sparking this interest.
@@bwcordeslook up fireball tools' youtube he did a test on dragging the file.
@@KaladinDarkEyes I did and it was very interesting. I would be interesting in seeing some other tests, but it certainly appears as though under normal circumstances it doesn't make a difference to the file. I'll keep lifting off, but only because it slows my pace and makes me more accurate for fine work. If I'm just taking off material when it doesn't matter, I'll probably just saw away now!
welding with bmx parts in the background, exact same setup as me!
You are a very skilled welder
To add to the masking, if you have to grind some more, because you aren't grinding a soft meal like aluminum or uses power tool you can use a thin peace of sheet metal and stick it on it than you can do the same, it is simply a lot more durable than tape.
What I got from this is, like everything else, it is all in the prep work. It will set everything else up later.
Good explanation when you weld with tig, mag system but welding with electrode or with KEMP things are little different
Xiao Zu says: Remember, if the welds don't end up well, you allways can use dry noodle and superglue!
I can't weld very well but I can spot weld. I used to make bolt heads into french keys occasionally by doing up the bolt, drilling a off-centre hole bevelling the hole really really good, grinding a nail point flat and tapping it into the hole, chopping ot off and spot welding it in place before undoing the bolt and knocking it out. One thing i learnt. If you forget to bevel the hole, you're buggered
I recently got a neurostimulator, which prohibits the use of welders specifically. But for some reason I now know how to weld.
There's always gas welding.
Satisfying and informative video 👍
I knew those videos were BS! DUDE!!! I might hit up your classes for tigging.
His class is legit, I’ve done it and it’s really thorough and will 100% make you a better welder.
ive not done much tig welding on aluminum and damn those look good. dont even bother grinfing it off :)
ok this is first episode of introdutury welding at farm boy level! this is so neat! really perfect in showing dos and don'ts but many mistakes even in the dos! but nobody got time for that! if its supposed to hold 3 tonnes even though a 20 tonnes weld would be the perfect choice you save time i get it! do you do advanced class b and a welds! would very much be interested in improving my skill!
Mannnnn! Your work is delightful!
thank you for the lesson from your video, good job sir 👍👍
someone saw kerfing in wood working and went "oh, I can glue metal together that way, too." the difference is, wood glue is stronger than the base material - tack welds, not so much.