Hey guys I hope y’all are enjoying these jacket battles. Also I am experimenting with no background music in this video. Let me know if you prefer it with low background music or without.
Rule 1: Being able to hear your words far surpasses any audio aestheticism. So whatever you do (low music, no music, instrumental music, etc), refer to Rule 1.
Love both companies and have ton's from each but....Arcteryx is simply in a different world, nothing compares to their fit, weight, zippers, and function.
Great review. I'm guessing now in 2024 with the new down sweater being 29% warmer than previous versions it's the warmer of the two. Would love to see a comparison for that.
Great review and comparison. I think opening music is AOK but I agree, music during the review is very distracting and would detract from your message. I ordered the Arc’teryx Cerium Lt after watching your video. I think you were very fair, objective and thorough and very helpful for those reasons. I should get my new jacket in the next several days and might come back to say how I like it.
This is some good content vs video. I’ve been hunting for a good mid layer for this year and I’m leaning into the Cerium LT/SL and the Atom LT. Might pull the trigger on the Cerium LT after this comparison. Keep up the very good comparisons.
Great work. Suggestion for your next few videos: perhaps you can go up and down a weight/durability category. 1. MH Ghost Whisperer vs Cerium SL vs micro puff 2. OR Helium Down vs Thorium AR vs Sweater Down
I can attest that on #2 the Thorium AR is the best for winter. The Down Sweater is more versatile in terms of temperature and occasions (work and outdoor). I don’t like the OR fit, as I prefer trim fit. Also, the OR is more focused on outside use, not so good for urban use. Just my $0.02.
I just picked up a Cerium LT for use as a midlayer for my skiing setup. I was hoping I could use it around town a bit since it's such a nice looking jacket. There's no way I could wear this around town. It's way too hot for that.
Jonathan I know your comment was a while ago, but I was thinking of getting the Cerium as layer for spring/fall camping/motorcycling and also to wear casually but is it really that hot?
@@andy.m7274 it's great if you're out for a walk, but if you are going out of the house and into a car, it just doesn't work. You're going to want the car to be 50 degrees and everyone else in it will hate you. I basically live in a North Face Denali fleece and that's just fine in the car. The Cerium LT is way warmer and gets clamy feeling if you're too hot in it. I do absolutely love the Cerium in my skiing setup though.
@@jonathansage2147 thanks for the reply, as for me it’ll be used as a spring/fall base layer under my motorbike jacket and for around the campsite so maybe it’ll work, haha if not my kids will steal it for snowboarding in the back country! Thanks again man much appreciated
@@andy.m7274 make sure you read and follow their sizing guide. I'm a medium in every other make. I'm a large in Arcteryx stuff and the guide is spot on.
I have the Patagonia and use it as my daily driver. If you’re talking weight it’s Montbell Plasma 1000 all day long. I am an UL backpacker so weight is big for me. Montbell is about 5.3 ounces. Those both will do the job just not for an UL nut like myself.
@@BackcountryRenegade They are. I usually go on their site way too much, especially at the end of the year and pick them up for about 50.00 off. I use mine only for backpacking. It has no pockets , it’s really only about weight savings and staying warm. Both of those jackets you reviewed would be better all around. Take care
Great review! I am thinking about getting the Cerium LT vest or the Patagonia down sweater vest. Long story, but I burned my favorite outerwear piece, The North Face Summit Series Quince down vest ☹️ and need a replacement.
I would test/try on both jackets. Dont let a youtube video made this decision for you. The Cerium Jacket has a awkward trim fit for an Acteryx. The Down Sweater is normally a lot cheaper compared to the Arcteryx. (I got my down sweater jacket on sale for around 120 AUD back in the days). The other advantage of the Down Sweater is the regular fit allows for a extra midlayer/fleece/sweatshirt. The regular fit is also better for an allround look in town..
Great review …still … the Arcteryx is roughly 50% more expensive than the Patagonia…so honestly unless price is not an issue it is not a fair comparison in my view…
+1 some might say it’s like comparing a VW and an Audi. Both are very good cars but if I could choice I’d go for the Audi. Same too with these two jackets, especially as Arc is rarely heavily discounted especially in the most popular sizes(S and M)
Chrome had a news article suggestion about Patagonia’s R1 series. It would be great if you could review the various products of their line. I’m possibly going to buy another jacket/hoodie from them and I would like to get more information from your first impressions.
I recently bought r1 air zip neck and after a week got the r1 air hoody as well. Extremely comfortable, very breathable (I run in them), the quality is top-notch. Don’t hesitate, best midlayer I’ve had. And the hoodie is so comfortable I use it daily as well.
@@tangoromeo My down sweater was just delivered and it’s everything that I expected. Thanks for the recommendation but I have one question: what’s the difference between R1 Air and the original R1 product line?
R1 air is both more breathable and warmer than the original. It’s the first design change they’ve made in over 20 years and for a good reason. Congrats on the down sweater!
Hi. Very good review! I really like Arcteryx's jackets! I have an Atom LT, Atom AR, and a Beta SV shell. It's clothes are more for my hiking, fat bike etc. I wanted to buy myself the Cerium LT for my more urban rides, go to work, and to have comfort. I saw the Rab Microlight Alpine at 30% off, so I bought it. Yes, the quality of down is lower, it's 700, but it'ss recycled and hydrophobic. The jacket is heavier than the Cerium LT, but it's still light and you don't really feel it. I prefer its stylized look, and I love its hood with the little visor that fits perfectly on the head. Have you tried the Rab Microlight? If so, how do you compare it to the Cerium LT?
I love your videos. I have difficulties to find information regarding the new version of the down sweater “Alplight” or “alpine downlab” jacket that seems to be quite similar to the down sweater but with a better compressibility, ratio light/weight and fit. Did you had the chance to try it ? Do you have some information about it ?
I have a ton of dead bird pieces. This is the only piece that doesn’t fit me well. The Cerium LT is slim and close to body. I didn’t like that it curved around my back tightly and pinched me under my arms. And I have same dimensions as the arcteryx model. This jacket made me look femme.
Both Arcteryx Cerium and Patagonia Down Sweater are becoming new version now. I'm looking forward to see your comparison between them, so much useful information. Do you want to review and compare again?
@@BackcountryRenegade Excellent videos with detailed info, I was wondering if you can help me with some advice I'm 5' 10 no sure If I should get the medium size for the cerium Lt or the small..
Thanks for your response, i have both them as well, Patagonia down sweater is always great quality jacket ,Arcteryx is always more stylish , will like to see your new vid coming .@@BackcountryRenegade
I have the Patagonia and not the other and I'll say that the Patagonia jacket IS NOT WARM AT ALL!!! I have cheaper jackets that are much warmer. You're just paying for the name here folks.
Unfortunately, these down products require the death of an animal. Companies could claim the down was responsibly harvested and they look after the welfare of animals all they want, but the geese are ultimately used as a product. They do get killed and there's no way someone can claim they lived a happy life.
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Hey guys I hope y’all are enjoying these jacket battles. Also I am experimenting with no background music in this video. Let me know if you prefer it with low background music or without.
I thought that the music volume of your previous video was fine. Here’s a suggestion: play low volume instrumental music in the background.
@@hfelder_03 great thanks, I was thinking that same
Rule 1: Being able to hear your words far surpasses any audio aestheticism. So whatever you do (low music, no music, instrumental music, etc), refer to Rule 1.
No music..worse thing in backpacking video today....
Best jacket review I’ve watched. Own the cerium LT confirmed everything good about
Thanks for the kind words! It is a great jacket
Patagonia is known for their quality and longevity. I bought the down sweater on sale and I’m extremely happy with it.
Love both companies and have ton's from each but....Arcteryx is simply in a different world, nothing compares to their fit, weight, zippers, and function.
Would be interesting to see an updated comparison with the changes to the Pat down sweater. There’s a lot more down fill now, much warmer.
yes that is coming soon! thanks for the suggestion
Great review. I'm guessing now in 2024 with the new down sweater being 29% warmer than previous versions it's the warmer of the two. Would love to see a comparison for that.
its coming! just filmed a remake of this with the new models of each.
Just the comparison video I was looking for.
I never knew the Patagonia could;d get stuffed into its own jacket. I just thought that was an oversized pocket. Thx!!!
Great review and comparison. I think opening music is AOK but I agree, music during the review is very distracting and would detract from your message. I ordered the Arc’teryx Cerium Lt after watching your video. I think you were very fair, objective and thorough and very helpful for those reasons. I should get my new jacket in the next several days and might come back to say how I like it.
Thanks for the feedback and glad it was helpful. Yes let me know what you think
This is some good content vs video. I’ve been hunting for a good mid layer for this year and I’m leaning into the Cerium LT/SL and the Atom LT. Might pull the trigger on the Cerium LT after this comparison. Keep up the very good comparisons.
Thanks glad it was helpful. The cerium lt is one of my favorite jackets. More content like this to come. Thanks for the support !
Great work. Suggestion for your next few videos: perhaps you can go up and down a weight/durability category.
1. MH Ghost Whisperer vs Cerium SL vs micro puff
2. OR Helium Down vs Thorium AR vs Sweater Down
Thanks. Love the suggestions, getting ready to compare the ghost whisper soon with a few of these !
I can attest that on #2 the Thorium AR is the best for winter. The Down Sweater is more versatile in terms of temperature and occasions (work and outdoor). I don’t like the OR fit, as I prefer trim fit. Also, the OR is more focused on outside use, not so good for urban use. Just my $0.02.
Can’t wait to get mine. It’s on its way! Thanks for the review!
awesome let me know how you like it when you get it
These are two great looking jackets.
Thanks for your detailed review! I can finally make up my mind. :P
I just picked up a Cerium LT for use as a midlayer for my skiing setup. I was hoping I could use it around town a bit since it's such a nice looking jacket. There's no way I could wear this around town. It's way too hot for that.
Jonathan I know your comment was a while ago, but I was thinking of getting the Cerium as layer for spring/fall camping/motorcycling and also to wear casually but is it really that hot?
@@andy.m7274 it's great if you're out for a walk, but if you are going out of the house and into a car, it just doesn't work. You're going to want the car to be 50 degrees and everyone else in it will hate you.
I basically live in a North Face Denali fleece and that's just fine in the car. The Cerium LT is way warmer and gets clamy feeling if you're too hot in it.
I do absolutely love the Cerium in my skiing setup though.
@@jonathansage2147 thanks for the reply, as for me it’ll be used as a spring/fall base layer under my motorbike jacket and for around the campsite so maybe it’ll work, haha if not my kids will steal it for snowboarding in the back country! Thanks again man much appreciated
@@andy.m7274 absolutely. I think it will be great for that purpose.
@@andy.m7274 make sure you read and follow their sizing guide. I'm a medium in every other make. I'm a large in Arcteryx stuff and the guide is spot on.
Excellent review! Thank you so much!
Really appreciate the videos man, good work!
Thanks for watching!
I have the Patagonia and use it as my daily driver. If you’re talking weight it’s Montbell Plasma 1000 all day long. I am an UL backpacker so weight is big for me. Montbell is about 5.3 ounces. Those both will do the job just not for an UL nut like myself.
yes i want to get that montbell plasma to test and review but it is expensive. maybe one day
@@BackcountryRenegade They are. I usually go on their site way too much, especially at the end of the year and pick them up for about 50.00 off. I use mine only for backpacking. It has no pockets , it’s really only about weight savings and staying warm. Both of those jackets you reviewed would be better all around. Take care
Thank you so much for this beneficial info. I was putting those two jackets on my shopping list, and your video just came on time.
Awesome, glad it was helpful
Great review! I am thinking about getting the Cerium LT vest or the Patagonia down sweater vest. Long story, but I burned my favorite outerwear piece, The North Face Summit Series Quince down vest ☹️ and need a replacement.
Ah man, I’m about to buy a down jacket and was trying to pick between these two. Arc’teryx it is, thank you for a great review!
Awesome glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching!
I would test/try on both jackets. Dont let a youtube video made this decision for you. The Cerium Jacket has a awkward trim fit for an Acteryx. The Down Sweater is normally a lot cheaper compared to the Arcteryx. (I got my down sweater jacket on sale for around 120 AUD back in the days).
The other advantage of the Down Sweater is the regular fit allows for a extra midlayer/fleece/sweatshirt. The regular fit is also better for an allround look in town..
@@BackcountryRenegade what size is your Patagonia down jacket?
@@christianb8228 it is a small
@@BackcountryRenegade thanks!
Love your stuff, keep it up
Thanks for watching and the encouragement
Great review …still … the Arcteryx is roughly 50% more expensive than the Patagonia…so honestly unless price is not an issue it is not a fair comparison in my view…
I get your point, just comparing because some have asked.
while that may be true price wise, these products are very competitive with each other. The patagonia is the value brand in this case...
+1 some might say it’s like comparing a VW and an Audi. Both are very good cars but if I could choice I’d go for the Audi. Same too with these two jackets, especially as Arc is rarely heavily discounted especially in the most popular sizes(S and M)
These products are direct competitiors. That just show how much more expensive acrteryx is. Arcteryx is always more expensive.
Chrome had a news article suggestion about Patagonia’s R1 series. It would be great if you could review the various products of their line. I’m possibly going to buy another jacket/hoodie from them and I would like to get more information from your first impressions.
Yeah I’ll look into those
I recently bought r1 air zip neck and after a week got the r1 air hoody as well. Extremely comfortable, very breathable (I run in them), the quality is top-notch. Don’t hesitate, best midlayer I’ve had. And the hoodie is so comfortable I use it daily as well.
@@tangoromeo My down sweater was just delivered and it’s everything that I expected. Thanks for the recommendation but I have one question: what’s the difference between R1 Air and the original R1 product line?
R1 air is both more breathable and warmer than the original. It’s the first design change they’ve made in over 20 years and for a good reason. Congrats on the down sweater!
Bro you know where I can find a cerium hoody L in Magna like new or better condition? If so message me
Similarities: Both jackts are heavily over-priced. Apart from that Arteryx wins easily :-)
truth
I prefer the look of the Patagonia.
Hi. Very good review! I really like Arcteryx's jackets! I have an Atom LT, Atom AR, and a Beta SV shell. It's clothes are more for my hiking, fat bike etc. I wanted to buy myself the Cerium LT for my more urban rides, go to work, and to have comfort. I saw the Rab Microlight Alpine at 30% off, so I bought it. Yes, the quality of down is lower, it's 700, but it'ss recycled and hydrophobic. The jacket is heavier than the Cerium LT, but it's still light and you don't really feel it. I prefer its stylized look, and I love its hood with the little visor that fits perfectly on the head. Have you tried the Rab Microlight? If so, how do you compare it to the Cerium LT?
I havent tried it out yet but heard good things. I'll see if I can get my hands on it to compare
I also have cerium lt, ar, and the rab microlight. I love the rab way more than I thought I would. Love the fit and the hood.
Great review. Technically, you should be comparing the Patagonia Down Sweater hoody, not the jacket.
fixed long ago in newer vids
yes, thats to come, i have the sweater hoody hopfully withn the month
“On the down side…” I see what you did there. 😉
I love your videos. I have difficulties to find information regarding the new version of the down sweater “Alplight” or “alpine downlab” jacket that seems to be quite similar to the down sweater but with a better compressibility, ratio light/weight and fit. Did you had the chance to try it ? Do you have some information about it ?
AlpLight is ligher (270g) but other feature is basically the same as down sweater.
I have a ton of dead bird pieces. This is the only piece that doesn’t fit me well. The Cerium LT is slim and close to body. I didn’t like that it curved around my back tightly and pinched me under my arms. And I have same dimensions as the arcteryx model. This jacket made me look femme.
Both Arcteryx Cerium and Patagonia Down Sweater are becoming new version now.
I'm looking forward to see your comparison between them, so much useful information. Do you want to review and compare again?
yes, im trying to get the updated cerium, and ill get a review out
What was the name of the colour you are wearing for the LT? Also, how did the colour look in person? Is it more red or orange? Thanks!
Arcteryx calls it the Dynasty, its is kind of a orangy red.
@@BackcountryRenegade Thanks!
I’d be curious to see a comparison with Patagonia and Kuhl
What size are you wearing in them?
Both of these are men’s small
On the down side 😂
What are ur proportions and what size is that arcteryx?
Both are size small and I’m 5’7 , 140 lbs
@@BackcountryRenegade Excellent videos with detailed info, I was wondering if you can help me with some advice I'm 5' 10 no sure If I should get the medium size for the cerium Lt or the small..
@@hamntro You should definitely get a medium. I'm 5'10 & 160 lbs. I recently got a medium and I'm on the fence about returning it for a large.
@@mileswhitaker9684 I found that the sleeves are short for me on the Arcteryx down jackets. Is that just a me thing?
What happens when you are wearing these and get caught in the rain without a shell?
While these do have some dwr finish to repel light water, I have a really thin shell rain jacket I always keep with me that would go over this.
Arcteryx Cerium LT is winner
cerium is great. but with the new updates to the down sweater it makes the battle more competive now. I have a new vid coming for it.
Thanks for your response, i have both them as well, Patagonia down sweater is always great quality jacket ,Arcteryx is always more stylish , will like to see your new vid coming .@@BackcountryRenegade
how tall are you ?
5’7
What size are you wearing here?
both are men's small
I have the Patagonia and not the other and I'll say that the Patagonia jacket IS NOT WARM AT ALL!!! I have cheaper jackets that are much warmer. You're just paying for the name here folks.
Disagree, it is quite warm for an European winter. If you are using for expedition… perhaps
Patagonia will never use hydrophobic down because it doesn’t have as good of a lifespan and they are very focused on longevity.
good to know
Nice jackets, but the colors are not so appealing :(
yeah they have a few other color options, but this is what i was sent lol.
Unfortunately, these down products require the death of an animal. Companies could claim the down was responsibly harvested and they look after the welfare of animals all they want, but the geese are ultimately used as a product. They do get killed and there's no way someone can claim they lived a happy life.
Who fuckin cares
But the geese live on in the jacket 😂