They re designed it in 2022 and yes the cuffs are not tight let too much air out they got rid of the nice fleece material on the inside at the top zipper by your chin and the fit is more loosely it seems. I returned mine this year for that reason and a bunch of people have been complaint about the same thing also.
I have heard several people mention the slack in the cuffs being an issue for them. I see what they are talking about but I don’t feel it’s as big of a deal (for me). The cuffs on the Cerium are much tighter and would definitely be appreciated by a lot of people.
I’m skinny so the slim fit is noticeable more I guess. I ended up going with another brand that I really enjoy a lot. Cool videos tho. If ya ever have a garage sale that would be fun.
@@thatdude4000 Thank you for the nice note. I wind up outfitting buy neighbors, family and friends if they are the same size. I can say that my 80 year old neighbor can handle any weather that comes his way LOL. Take care!
Ghost was my first, it’s insanely light but (two years in) I’m just waiting to tear that 10D or whatever on a branch or something. I generally use the Arc’teryx for daily wear but I think the Patagucci is the best pick. Wife and I got them for $150 each so hard to beat!
Nice comparison Shawn. I like video where you wear them back to back so if we have one of those jackets, we can see how the other compares. I currently have a Cerium LT that is too tight across the chest and a Patagonia down vest. I feel like the right jacket to replace my cerium is the Patagonia down sweater. Again, much appreciated.
I just picked up that same exact Patagonia jacket online today. It was 50% off with an extra 10% with code on steep and cheep. Can't wait to try it out. Thanks for the great review.
Awesome and thorough comparison! I think it's going to be the Cerium for me (my dead bird collection grows again). I hope you'll do more of these comparison videos in the future. Thank you!
Thank you so much!! Really appreciate that. Good call, it is hard to beat dead bird! I have a few more down jackets that just showed up, so I will do a round 2 here soon!
Good selection. There are 2 I have for my list depending on season I do both. Torrid by EE and plasma by Mont bell. The synthetic Torrid is a solid moving layer that won't take all day to dry. It replaces midweight fleece and the plasma is even lighter and warmer and will extend the rating of your sumerlight WM bag maybe 5 to 7 degrees.
Great review dude. Really. I've tried both the Patagonia and the Cerium. Both are great but man - that cerium suited yoi better than all the others so if you want look dapper Dan on a camping trip for the Wild moose🤣🤣. The fit and look of it is amazing. I was going to go for the Patagonia as I can get a 40% discount but I've read a lot of reviews saying the 20 den is not robust and it's failing. Just seen the Cerium on sale in the UK for 240 quid so gonna grab it. Sure new model will be even better tho. Wonder when the release is? Ps didnt like thr cuffs on patagonia eother and see lots on here mentioning it too. Bad design really
Glad it was helpful!. That is a good idea. We often get to work on Fall winter gear for the next season, during the previous spring. So we combined it with current offerings to hopefully help others out. Outdoor Vitals is such a great value. They put a lot of thinking into their gear.
I bought Patagonia nano puff jacket three years ago for daily wear in Chicago. It is my favorite jacket and the one I grab heading out without thinking too much about it. However, it isn't as warm for the peak winter months, so I just purchased the Down Sweater for those extremely frigid days. Unless Patagonia screws this up, I will never look at any other brand again ever.
Would you say if you had to buy one you would go with the nano puff or the down sweater? For colder days maybe just add a thicker base layer and shell on top? Or just have the extra warmth from the down sweater even on warmer days?
@@thegnarfox9487 Nano Puff is my favorite jacket. I prefer layering more than wearing a single thick jacket, but some times it just so cold that you need thicker base/mid layer and thicker jacket on top. Both jackets are super light. If you stay out in cold for longer periods of time, go with the down sweater; you can always unzip it a little if it starts to feel too warm. If I could pick only one jacket, it would be the Nano Puff, but I usually don't need to stay out in cold for more than a few minutes at a time. It isn't also as puffy as the real down jacket, which is a plus for me.
Just ordered the Nova Pro. And although i had to pay 112 CAD in duty and taxes, considering i got the jacket for only 199 USD its a little easier to swallow.
Great video! Like the update to the Patagonia down sweater, it definitely looks like it has less of that box shape fit.I love my Outdoor Research Coldfront down hoody, the drop pockets are enormous, but my next down hoody might have to be the Patagonia. It would be the Cirium but no drop pockets is a deal breaker for me.
I totally agree! I love drop pockets. I have the OR. Helium as well. Video will be up this weekend. Might be a solid contender with the Patagonia down sweater. Both are fantastic though. Thanks for the nice note!
I tried on the Arc’teryx Cerium, a great improvement on the LT, with a much better Face fabric, but it was just too fitted (and therefore tight) for my liking. I hated the previous Patagonia fit, but the new one is so much better and beats the Arc’teryx for me and it’s more versatile.
Good job with this. I get out most every day/night and give two shits about looks. All about function. But for whatever reason, while the specs are great on the Ghost Whisperer (their new UL model is 1000 fill), and I've had good luck with some MH stuff, that SHINE keeps me away. I don't know why. But it does. But let's hear it for OV bringing in pit zips for down. I'd like to see that catch on.
My choice for a new down jacket this winter was the Rab Electron Pro (800 fill hydrophobic goose down). While it lacks drop pockets the two way zipper is really nice to have and the hood has a wired peak. Biggest downside is that this winter has mostly been too mild for it 😅
Ohh nice!! Great call on that. I will have to reach out to our contact with Rab and check that out. Love the hydrophobic down, double zipper and wire brim integration. Bummer on it not being cold enough to really use it over there. I would happily send you over these negative 5 F temps we have today! 😆😆🥶
Yea the Rab coat will be quite a bit more moola too. I say that only because most their products are kinda pricy. Well worth it but usually has things that aren’t as necessary like chest pockets. I started looking at coats because I saw a tab that was really cool but found cheaper and what I think of as cooler options.
Love your reviews. Love my Down Sweater as well, but it's a year or two old and I wish the fit was a bit more athletic. Might have to look into the updated one. Always wanted the Cerium too....oh the choices.
Great reviews! Definitely looking forward to the OR Helium review as I bought the OR Shadow as my mid insulated layer. I’m in Alaska and the Shadow has been a great addition to my other OR layers
Thank you Dee! Much appreciated. Stoked you are loving the Shadow. It’s such a good mid. I will get working on that Helium next week. Currently in Miami ti work with Pavel for a kettlebell seminar (it’s hot as hell here 😆😆). Can’t wait to get back to the mountains and get going on that vid. Take care up there!
I love the Arcteryx but something no one mentions is down migration. A big issue in the antecubital are. I love the Cerium but it suffers badly from that and so strange Acteryx doesnt add a stitch chamber to keep that from happening. The NovaPro and Cotopaxi Fuego have it. If we don't say anything, they won't change it.
I personally snagged the older style down sweater as they were releasing this variant. The legacy model has vislon zippers which are consistently much nicer than the coil zipper they switched to. They never snag and are effortlessly smooth! I’m assuming they switched to coil for the possibility they’re better for the environment?? but that’s just personal conjecture haha!
I didn't do my research and ordered the novapro. This makes me feel good about it. Big fan of their Vintus hoodie, too, and that Vario looks interesting.
Nova pro is so good. Especially for the money. I am a big fan of Outdoor Vitals. We had the founder on our podcast too. Great guy. Hope you enjoy your new puffy!
It blows my mind that you're able to wear the same size in OV as in Arc'teryx and Patagonia. I have to go up a size to 3XL in OV. This video saved me some cash because I was this close to grabbing either the Patagonia or Arc'teryx and realized that I have it covered with my OV. (But I still want to grab one of the others.)
Hey Big Fuzzy Guy! (man, I LOVE you handle!) I am with you on the variations in size with brands. But OV just NAILS it on the value and function. I am such a big fan of what they are doing. Glad you are too!
It is SO GOOD! I think it is tied for wamest with Patagonia. Both have more fill than the dead bird or MH. They are a fantastic company and solid value.
I went with the thrudark breach jacket for a down jacket! 900 fill, weather resistant, Cordura added for durability, hydrophobic down, pockets galore, -31F rated. Extensive research anxiety led me to that after all this time. Still want to grab the vario or ventus per your recommendation as an all around mid!!!
@JDawgInU Keep in mind the Vario is basically a slightly heavier version of the Vintus with a full zipper. Vintus is their best and most versatile piece of gear. If you're deciding between the two just figure out if you want the full zipper or not. And speaking from experience, the large vintus is a snug (and good) fit on me. 5'9 155, wide shoulders. I ordered their NovaPro and rain jacket in large and had to send them back for Mediums.
The Patagonia more trim you say? I bought this jacket this year and I really didn't like it! Very boxy, sleeves way too long and no elastic in the edge of the sleeves. I was really disappointed with the jacket, which is why I sent it back.
Yes, it is more trim than previous years. Not as trim as some other models though. As you mentioned. Sorry it did not pan out. What puffy did you wind up going with?
Thank you!! Really appreciate that! Oh man, that is tuff. I think they are tied for warmest of the bunch. The OV has more down and fill power on paper, but the Patagonia has a more substantial and warmer hood. So, it is a draw. Though, I have used the dead bird, OV and Patagonia in teens (F) with just a t shirt and been good to go. Hope that helps!
Have owned the Patagonia Down Sweater and MH Ghost Whisperer. Currently own the Arcteryx Cerium (great jacket). Recently bought the Stone Glacier Grunman and it's now easily my favorite. If you don't mind the limited colors (and perhaps hunting gear inspiration) it's 5.3oz of Hyperdry 850 down. Total weight - 11.8 (size L). Great hood and fit is trim.
Hey StumpJumper! That sounds like an epic puffy! I will have to check them out. I am thinking of getting KUIU involved in the next one as well. I really like their gear. I wear their pants almost every day. Thanks for the solid insight!!
Will the Patagonia still be the best choice also as a outerlayer jacket? Would it make sense to use it in light rain or snow? Or is there a better jacket for this purpose? I live in Denmark so our temperatures aren't that cold - maximum -5° c. Thanks!
Good call on that! There are several companies that I would like to get in the next video (I am shooting another one soon for 2024). Fun fact, Katabatic was next door to the gym I built in Lakewood CO several years ago. I would go in there and hang out with some of the people and watch them sew the gear. Great stuff.
From your experience, when comparing the Patagonia with the outdoor vitals how big of a deal is the non waterproof down aspect? Off camera did you add a shell back on to manage the snow? Would be primarily using for everyday wearing with the occasional ski day but I suppose could add a shell at that point. Just can’t swing a nice puffer and a nice waterproof shell at the moment.
Hello! Great question. Here in Colorado, we have very dry snow (until the late spring). Which allows us to not have to (usually) worry about wetting out in most conditions in the winter. ie - skiing and snowboarding. I LOVE waterproof down. I rely on it for several reasons. But here is some $20 advice - you can treat any down with Nikwax Down Proof and attain a very good water resistant effect. So, in theory, and in practice, you can make your favorite down puffy water resistant for $20. Just food for thought. :) Off camera I did not have to use a shell as the snow was not too intense. I have a less than $100 option that I will be including in the next round up. Decathlon 100 down. th-cam.com/video/xDELg2USgBs/w-d-xo.html
I would say they are equally warm. The extra fill is nice on the OV but the hood is warmer on the Patagonia due to its better coverage. Hope that helps!
I am looking at the cerium and down sweater Hoody for casual, mostly city use. My needs are warmth and I want something stylish and with an athletic slim waist fit. 43 inch chest 29 inch waist. Which would you go for? Thx! Love your channel, Sean
Hello Brian! Thank you so much for the nice note and support!! 🙌🙌 If you want a more trim fit, then the Cerium is probably going to be better for you. Warmth wise too. I have been wearing it in temps in the teens here in Colorado. Hope that helps!
Hey Friend! I wish i could be more help on this. I have not used the previous version so I can not honestly say if it is more trim. From what I hear, and what they have told me, it is is a trimmer fit.
Good question. I feel like the Patagonia might be a smidge warmer. They have more fill in it than most of the others. But the OV has great warmth and fantastic features too. Tuff call!
Outdoor vitals blows the others away! The only jacket I’d like to see in the mix and see you review is the EB micro therm 1020fill. I still picked OV though because it is a nice company to support as I like their mission statement ! Keeping it kinda mom and pop store feels on top of that. Granted the Nova Pro is a bit heavier but you are getting some pretty massive upgrades directly related to the weight like pit zips, 2way adjustable hood and 20d Nylon vs most other coats coming half that with 10 so half the durability in nylon. The Nova Pro is not water proof but damn near it so I’d say it’s fine for 90% all rain interactions but for downpours I’d use a raincoat but think that’s obvious. I’m happy to see outdoor vitals really get there name out there with this product and I’m glad to support them!
Heck yes! OV is great! Love what they are doing and the price point is very fair. We had Tayson on the Engearment podcast a few months ago. Great guy. Glad you are a fan of them too!
I wish kuhl made a waterproof puffy in a true to size model. Their sizing is wayyy under standard. I really wish kuhl would up their size to be more accurate to a standard common size! The spyfire puffy is WAY under sized & I had to send 2 back to them, an xl & a 2xl. Went to cabelas & everything I tried on was xl & fit as expected. I had to settle for a columbia insulated jacket for $140 but it claims waterproof so thats a plus I guess. Kuhl really let me down on this one.
I had 2 years ago Arc'teryx Cerium jacke and oo man how horrible that jacket is. It's like nylon bag,no absolutely breathable. It's strong jacket but my body get wet if material isn't breathable. I don't have problems with North Face 800 pro which i get this year. Breithorne i buy too. Also get Arc'teryx Thorium which didn't trt already i get it 2 days ago and looks too hot for 14-18C°. But i am sure for me Cerium was not good option. Sure i have now too many of them and need to get rid of some of them just don't know which one I'm gona save for my self. And also i am think to get one from Decathlon Forclaz MT100? Cheap and just wann see is it good
For me on the Patagonia the cuffs are much too wide. So I decided for the cerium Hoody.
They re designed it in 2022 and yes the cuffs are not tight let too much air out they got rid of the nice fleece material on the inside at the top zipper by your chin and the fit is more loosely it seems. I returned mine this year for that reason and a bunch of people have been complaint about the same thing also.
I have heard several people mention the slack in the cuffs being an issue for them. I see what they are talking about but I don’t feel it’s as big of a deal (for me). The cuffs on the Cerium are much tighter and would definitely be appreciated by a lot of people.
I’m skinny so the slim fit is noticeable more I guess. I ended up going with another brand that I really enjoy a lot. Cool videos tho. If ya ever have a garage sale that would be fun.
@@thatdude4000 Thank you for the nice note. I wind up outfitting buy neighbors, family and friends if they are the same size. I can say that my 80 year old neighbor can handle any weather that comes his way LOL. Take care!
Oh man, I had to return mine for the same issue.
Ghost was my first, it’s insanely light but (two years in) I’m just waiting to tear that 10D or whatever on a branch or something. I generally use the Arc’teryx for daily wear but I think the Patagucci is the best pick. Wife and I got them for $150 each so hard to beat!
Score!! Stoked for you and the wife. 🙌
Nice comparison Shawn. I like video where you wear them back to back so if we have one of those jackets, we can see how the other compares. I currently have a Cerium LT that is too tight across the chest and a Patagonia down vest. I feel like the right jacket to replace my cerium is the Patagonia down sweater.
Again, much appreciated.
Good videos, just got a Patagucci down jacket, absolutely love it, way better than my nano puff
Yes! Got to love the Patagucci! :)
I just picked up that same exact Patagonia jacket online today. It was 50% off with an extra 10% with code on steep and cheep. Can't wait to try it out. Thanks for the great review.
Oh wow! Nice score!! Enjoy :)
Thanks! I was wrong it was actually an extra 20% off. So i got it for like 131.00 plus tax which is a great score.@@Engearment
Where did you get it from?
steep and cheap. They had them for 50% off plus another 20% on top of that with a one time code. @@thegnarfox9487
Awesome and thorough comparison! I think it's going to be the Cerium for me (my dead bird collection grows again). I hope you'll do more of these comparison videos in the future. Thank you!
Thank you so much!! Really appreciate that. Good call, it is hard to beat dead bird!
I have a few more down jackets that just showed up, so I will do a round 2 here soon!
Great video. I’ve been pondering a puffy. Im definitely going to check out Outdoor vitals
Good selection. There are 2 I have for my list depending on season I do both. Torrid by EE and plasma by Mont bell. The synthetic Torrid is a solid moving layer that won't take all day to dry. It replaces midweight fleece and the plasma is even lighter and warmer and will extend the rating of your sumerlight WM bag maybe 5 to 7 degrees.
Dude great review, subbed! I was sold on the Patagonia until the OV, definitely picking up the OV.
Thank you for the kind note! The OV is legit! 🙌
Great review dude. Really.
I've tried both the Patagonia and the Cerium. Both are great but man - that cerium suited yoi better than all the others so if you want look dapper Dan on a camping trip for the Wild moose🤣🤣. The fit and look of it is amazing.
I was going to go for the Patagonia as I can get a 40% discount but I've read a lot of reviews saying the 20 den is not robust and it's failing. Just seen the Cerium on sale in the UK for 240 quid so gonna grab it. Sure new model will be even better tho. Wonder when the release is?
Ps didnt like thr cuffs on patagonia eother and see lots on here mentioning it too. Bad design really
Great review. Should've made this at start of winter season. I got the new cerium just like this one and like it. Didn't know about the outdoor vitals
Glad it was helpful!. That is a good idea. We often get to work on Fall winter gear for the next season, during the previous spring. So we combined it with current offerings to hopefully help others out. Outdoor Vitals is such a great value. They put a lot of thinking into their gear.
All the jackets in video are good but my go to is not on many list these days but Eddie Bauer is the best jacket maker for the price hands down 😊
Thanks for sharing! I need to find a way to get Eddie Baurer involved on the next round up! Take care!
I like my Patagonia, very warm, wind proof!
I bought Patagonia nano puff jacket three years ago for daily wear in Chicago. It is my favorite jacket and the one I grab heading out without thinking too much about it. However, it isn't as warm for the peak winter months, so I just purchased the Down Sweater for those extremely frigid days. Unless Patagonia screws this up, I will never look at any other brand again ever.
Heck yea! Glad you have a good combo there. Patagonia is so good. 🙌
Would you say if you had to buy one you would go with the nano puff or the down sweater? For colder days maybe just add a thicker base layer and shell on top? Or just have the extra warmth from the down sweater even on warmer days?
@@thegnarfox9487 Nano Puff is my favorite jacket. I prefer layering more than wearing a single thick jacket, but some times it just so cold that you need thicker base/mid layer and thicker jacket on top.
Both jackets are super light. If you stay out in cold for longer periods of time, go with the down sweater; you can always unzip it a little if it starts to feel too warm.
If I could pick only one jacket, it would be the Nano Puff, but I usually don't need to stay out in cold for more than a few minutes at a time. It isn't also as puffy as the real down jacket, which is a plus for me.
Just ordered the Nova Pro. And although i had to pay 112 CAD in duty and taxes, considering i got the jacket for only 199 USD its a little easier to swallow.
Great video! Have you try the marmot zeus?
Great video! Like the update to the Patagonia down sweater, it definitely looks like it has less of that box shape fit.I love my Outdoor Research Coldfront down hoody, the drop pockets are enormous, but my next down hoody might have to be the Patagonia. It would be the Cirium but no drop pockets is a deal breaker for me.
I totally agree! I love drop pockets. I have the OR. Helium as well. Video will be up this weekend. Might be a solid contender with the Patagonia down sweater. Both are fantastic though. Thanks for the nice note!
I tried on the Arc’teryx Cerium, a great improvement on the LT, with a much better Face fabric, but it was just too fitted (and therefore tight) for my liking. I hated the previous Patagonia fit, but the new one is so much better and beats the Arc’teryx for me and it’s more versatile.
Great insights! The Patagonia fit is my favorite too.
Good job with this. I get out most every day/night and give two shits about looks. All about function. But for whatever reason, while the specs are great on the Ghost Whisperer (their new UL model is 1000 fill), and I've had good luck with some MH stuff, that SHINE keeps me away. I don't know why. But it does. But let's hear it for OV bringing in pit zips for down. I'd like to see that catch on.
Great Video mate thank you!
You’re welcome! Glad you enjoyed it.
I miss when the Patagonia down sweater had the soft material zip garage for the chin. Also, why no lined hand warmer pockets?
Good question. Perhaps it adds a bit of weight? Not entirely sure.
My choice for a new down jacket this winter was the Rab Electron Pro (800 fill hydrophobic goose down). While it lacks drop pockets the two way zipper is really nice to have and the hood has a wired peak. Biggest downside is that this winter has mostly been too mild for it 😅
Ohh nice!! Great call on that. I will have to reach out to our contact with Rab and check that out. Love the hydrophobic down, double zipper and wire brim integration.
Bummer on it not being cold enough to really use it over there. I would happily send you over these negative 5 F temps we have today! 😆😆🥶
Yea the Rab coat will be quite a bit more moola too. I say that only because most their products are kinda pricy. Well worth it but usually has things that aren’t as necessary like chest pockets. I started looking at coats because I saw a tab that was really cool but found cheaper and what I think of as cooler options.
Love your reviews. Love my Down Sweater as well, but it's a year or two old and I wish the fit was a bit more athletic. Might have to look into the updated one. Always wanted the Cerium too....oh the choices.
Cerium has a tight fit. I have on but rarely use it stand alone and mainly under my shel while skiing on cod days
great video mate
Great reviews! Definitely looking forward to the OR Helium review as I bought the OR Shadow as my mid insulated layer. I’m in Alaska and the Shadow has been a great addition to my other OR layers
Thank you Dee! Much appreciated. Stoked you are loving the Shadow. It’s such a good mid.
I will get working on that Helium next week. Currently in Miami ti work with Pavel for a kettlebell seminar (it’s hot as hell here 😆😆). Can’t wait to get back to the mountains and get going on that vid.
Take care up there!
I love the Arcteryx but something no one mentions is down migration. A big issue in the antecubital are. I love the Cerium but it suffers badly from that and so strange Acteryx doesnt add a stitch chamber to keep that from happening. The NovaPro and Cotopaxi Fuego have it. If we don't say anything, they won't change it.
I personally snagged the older style down sweater as they were releasing this variant. The legacy model has vislon zippers which are consistently much nicer than the coil zipper they switched to. They never snag and are effortlessly smooth! I’m assuming they switched to coil for the possibility they’re better for the environment?? but that’s just personal conjecture haha!
not a fan of the Net Plus gimmick.
I didn't do my research and ordered the novapro. This makes me feel good about it. Big fan of their Vintus hoodie, too, and that Vario looks interesting.
Nova pro is so good. Especially for the money. I am a big fan of Outdoor Vitals. We had the founder on our podcast too. Great guy. Hope you enjoy your new puffy!
It blows my mind that you're able to wear the same size in OV as in Arc'teryx and Patagonia. I have to go up a size to 3XL in OV. This video saved me some cash because I was this close to grabbing either the Patagonia or Arc'teryx and realized that I have it covered with my OV. (But I still want to grab one of the others.)
Hey Big Fuzzy Guy! (man, I LOVE you handle!) I am with you on the variations in size with brands. But OV just NAILS it on the value and function. I am such a big fan of what they are doing. Glad you are too!
I just wish Tayson sized apparel as if he was still playing defensive end instead of as an ultramarathoner. (But I do still have soooo much OV stuff.)
new patagonia would be an upgrade, if not for the horrendous wizard sleeve cuffs. old cuffs much better
Wizard cuffs :)
outdoor vitals!!!!!
Yea!! They are such a great company and great people. Really fair prices too. I hope to get a backpacking trip with them in the spring.
Outdoor vitals is very interesting. How was that warmth compared to the other 3. Looks killer too with that design
It is SO GOOD! I think it is tied for wamest with Patagonia. Both have more fill than the dead bird or MH. They are a fantastic company and solid value.
I went with the thrudark breach jacket for a down jacket! 900 fill, weather resistant, Cordura added for durability, hydrophobic down, pockets galore, -31F rated. Extensive research anxiety led me to that after all this time. Still want to grab the vario or ventus per your recommendation as an all around mid!!!
@@Engearment 🙌
@JDawgInU Keep in mind the Vario is basically a slightly heavier version of the Vintus with a full zipper. Vintus is their best and most versatile piece of gear. If you're deciding between the two just figure out if you want the full zipper or not.
And speaking from experience, the large vintus is a snug (and good) fit on me. 5'9 155, wide shoulders. I ordered their NovaPro and rain jacket in large and had to send them back for Mediums.
The Patagonia more trim you say?
I bought this jacket this year and I really didn't like it! Very boxy, sleeves way too long and no elastic in the edge of the sleeves. I was really disappointed with the jacket, which is why I sent it back.
Yes, it is more trim than previous years. Not as trim as some other models though. As you mentioned. Sorry it did not pan out. What puffy did you wind up going with?
@@Engearment i bought The Northface Thermoball. Perfect fit, but not so warm as down of course
@@Tinnntin Ah yes, that is a nice synthetic piece. Good fit for sure. Thanks for letting us know!
Where are these clothing made in? Patagonia is transparent on their website but what about the others?
I ordered the Cerium in large. I am 6’1” and 175 pounds. Do you think that I selected correctly?
Was it fits good for you?
Im gonna get the Patagonia one. But i gonna have to measure me, i might need a Large or Xlarge.
Thanks, great review!
Thanks for watching!
Another great video Sean! Which is warmer for static use Patagonia Down or the Outdoor Vitals Novapro?
Thank you!! Really appreciate that! Oh man, that is tuff. I think they are tied for warmest of the bunch. The OV has more down and fill power on paper, but the Patagonia has a more substantial and warmer hood. So, it is a draw. Though, I have used the dead bird, OV and Patagonia in teens (F) with just a t shirt and been good to go. Hope that helps!
Nice Video, best regards from Germany :)
Thank you! Hope you are doing great over there in Germany. Thanks for the stoke! 🙌🙌
Excellent comparison!
Thank you so much!! 🙌🙌
Have owned the Patagonia Down Sweater and MH Ghost Whisperer. Currently own the Arcteryx Cerium (great jacket). Recently bought the Stone Glacier Grunman and it's now easily my favorite. If you don't mind the limited colors (and perhaps hunting gear inspiration) it's 5.3oz of Hyperdry 850 down. Total weight - 11.8 (size L). Great hood and fit is trim.
Hey StumpJumper! That sounds like an epic puffy! I will have to check them out. I am thinking of getting KUIU involved in the next one as well. I really like their gear. I wear their pants almost every day. Thanks for the solid insight!!
Will the Patagonia still be the best choice also as a outerlayer jacket? Would it make sense to use it in light rain or snow? Or is there a better jacket for this purpose?
I live in Denmark so our temperatures aren't that cold - maximum -5° c.
Thanks!
Where’s the katabatic at?
Good call on that! There are several companies that I would like to get in the next video (I am shooting another one soon for 2024).
Fun fact, Katabatic was next door to the gym I built in Lakewood CO several years ago. I would go in there and hang out with some of the people and watch them sew the gear. Great stuff.
THE NORTH FACE SUMMIT SERIES 800 FILL. why was this jacket not included?
Because I do not have it. If they would like to have it included, they are welcome to provide it!
@@Engearment that is unfortunate, you make awesome review videos. the 800 summit series does have 4 drop down pockets on the inside!
@@71282sure does! I love my Summit Series Breithorn jacket!
@@Engearment your channel - your rules. As simple as that. If it's not included then deal with it folks.
From your experience, when comparing the Patagonia with the outdoor vitals how big of a deal is the non waterproof down aspect? Off camera did you add a shell back on to manage the snow? Would be primarily using for everyday wearing with the occasional ski day but I suppose could add a shell at that point. Just can’t swing a nice puffer and a nice waterproof shell at the moment.
Hello! Great question. Here in Colorado, we have very dry snow (until the late spring). Which allows us to not have to (usually) worry about wetting out in most conditions in the winter. ie - skiing and snowboarding. I LOVE waterproof down. I rely on it for several reasons. But here is some $20 advice - you can treat any down with Nikwax Down Proof and attain a very good water resistant effect. So, in theory, and in practice, you can make your favorite down puffy water resistant for $20. Just food for thought. :)
Off camera I did not have to use a shell as the snow was not too intense.
I have a less than $100 option that I will be including in the next round up. Decathlon 100 down. th-cam.com/video/xDELg2USgBs/w-d-xo.html
Is the outdoor Vitals the warmest or Patagonia?
I would say they are equally warm. The extra fill is nice on the OV but the hood is warmer on the Patagonia due to its better coverage. Hope that helps!
I am looking at the cerium and down sweater Hoody for casual, mostly city use. My needs are warmth and I want something stylish and with an athletic slim waist fit. 43 inch chest 29 inch waist. Which would you go for? Thx! Love your channel, Sean
Hello Brian! Thank you so much for the nice note and support!! 🙌🙌
If you want a more trim fit, then the Cerium is probably going to be better for you.
Warmth wise too. I have been wearing it in temps in the teens here in Colorado. Hope that helps!
@@Engearment yes, that helps! Thank you 🙏 and best of luck with the channel. Stay warm out there !!
Is the updated down sweater significantly trimmer in your experience? My only complaint with my current one... thanks.
Hey Friend! I wish i could be more help on this. I have not used the previous version so I can not honestly say if it is more trim. From what I hear, and what they have told me, it is is a trimmer fit.
@@Engearment that's okay brother, I ordered the updated Cerium today, based on your excellent review 👍
@@highxj Awesome! Thanks for sharing your stoke bro!! Enjoy that puffy!!
Which one is warmer, Outdoor Vitals or Patagonia?
Good question. I feel like the Patagonia might be a smidge warmer. They have more fill in it than most of the others. But the OV has great warmth and fantastic features too. Tuff call!
You should try out Norrøna, Mammut and Salewa jackets as well. Great comparison BTW 👍
Thank you! Working on the Norrona. Love Mammut (use their beacon) and will look into Salewa. Great idea!
Outdoor vitals blows the others away! The only jacket I’d like to see in the mix and see you review is the EB micro therm 1020fill. I still picked OV though because it is a nice company to support as I like their mission statement ! Keeping it kinda mom and pop store feels on top of that. Granted the Nova Pro is a bit heavier but you are getting some pretty massive upgrades directly related to the weight like pit zips, 2way adjustable hood and 20d Nylon vs most other coats coming half that with 10 so half the durability in nylon. The Nova Pro is not water proof but damn near it so I’d say it’s fine for 90% all rain interactions but for downpours I’d use a raincoat but think that’s obvious.
I’m happy to see outdoor vitals really get there name out there with this product and I’m glad to support them!
Heck yes! OV is great! Love what they are doing and the price point is very fair. We had Tayson on the Engearment podcast a few months ago. Great guy. Glad you are a fan of them too!
Spider- Man is sick tho!
Good point! I do like Spider Man is great!
What brand of pants/overalls are you wearing ?
Outdoor Research Hemisphere bibs. My Favorites!!!
Here is the video for it - th-cam.com/video/vTO1NBw1L5Y/w-d-xo.html
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I wish kuhl made a waterproof puffy in a true to size model. Their sizing is wayyy under standard. I really wish kuhl would up their size to be more accurate to a standard common size! The spyfire puffy is WAY under sized & I had to send 2 back to them, an xl & a 2xl. Went to cabelas & everything I tried on was xl & fit as expected. I had to settle for a columbia insulated jacket for $140 but it claims waterproof so thats a plus I guess. Kuhl really let me down on this one.
I had 2 years ago Arc'teryx Cerium jacke and oo man how horrible that jacket is. It's like nylon bag,no absolutely breathable. It's strong jacket but my body get wet if material isn't breathable. I don't have problems with North Face 800 pro which i get this year. Breithorne i buy too. Also get Arc'teryx Thorium which didn't trt already i get it 2 days ago and looks too hot for 14-18C°. But i am sure for me Cerium was not good option. Sure i have now too many of them and need to get rid of some of them just don't know which one I'm gona save for my self. And also i am think to get one from Decathlon Forclaz MT100? Cheap and just wann see is it good