Thanks, Meg, for being so vulnerable with your story. My parents divorced in '81. They were LDS from devout families and it was definitely rare at that time. At age 8 and 9 I really struggled with the break-up. I tried so hard to figure out what led to the divorce. Though I never thought to blame myself, I still didn't understand. I went to my mom one day and said "I know why dad left! It's because he needed to live closer to work". She said "I don't think that's it." Please be honest with your kids. You don't need to go into details but they deserve to know. I spent far too many nights in bed at that age trying to work out reasons. I wish so badly that my mom would have explained their marriage wasn't one of companionship, friendship, and love anymore. That they wish it was but that sometimes two people can't stay married. Instead I was left to come up with my own answers. I think your 8,9,10 year olds are old enough to be given the general truth.
@@jengenx7729 no, it wasn’t meant to be literal. However, I do find that women that have been through what I’ve been through with the church really helps in understanding my situation and empathizing with the challenges I face. I’ve dated mostly women that are either never Mormon or barely Mormon and there are times it’s clear they don’t understand what I’m going through transitioning out of the church or with my kids still being in the church. It’s not a big a deal to be honest and definitely not a requirement to date someone but I am curios what it would be like.
As a never Mormon a neighbor had a situation where as a return missionary he wanted to marry in the temple but the girl had already been sealed to her late husband in the temple. She also had a daughter by her last husband. She wanted to be “unsealed “. The parents of the deceased son were devastated and fought it but lost. Wondering what happens to the “forever” family in these situations. So confusing. So heartbreaking for the true believing grandparents.
Nothing, because it's not real. Within the system, where it is real, it's one of those scenarios where it's usually left at 'It all gets sorted in the end'. The other alternative is that since the goal is that everyone is sealed to someone, then we all end up sealed together as a big happy eternal family, so it doesn't matter who is sealed to who specifically.
When John said “Any two faithful mormons can make it work” I swore I had heard that so many times and that was my thought in looking for a spouse which led to me settling. Of course I know now that’s not true, but what a horrible thing to have thought and or been told but I can’t remember where it came from.
25:41 This causes so much suffering in marriage!!! It pits spouses against each other. I know that I felt like I was totally living the gospel and my husband wasn’t leading in family prayer or fhe or anything gospel related! I totally felt superior and he felt like he was being judged and belittled. It almost destroyed us.
I loved this episode so much - thank you for doing it! I hope you continue to find people who were married too young and too fast (or for the wrong reasons) who have deconstructed their religious beliefs later in life and are navigating divorce. I think a lot of women are in non-abusive marriages, so they feel trapped and unable to leave without a better excuse. (So many are saying, "I got married to a guy I only felt okay about because of church teachings and pressure, and now it feels impossible to reclaim the rest of my life for myself because it feels selfish.") Thank you for sharing your story!❤ ❤❤❤
Should ruled my decisions too. Somehow managed to come out and marry my wife but just starting to process now after many years. I’ve found that this podcast and Julia’s work in Analyzing Mormonism are super important to me. Thanks for what you’re doing.
For many years I got up at 4:00 on Christmas morning and drove to my exes house so our daughter had us both there on Christmas morning. When we were a young couple in college we used a Santa hat for a tree topper because we didn't have money to buy one. To this day she, her new husband, and her children with him still use a Santa hat for a tree topper
Meg I loved your talk. John's Panel is so interesting. I kept thinking I need to do some work but listened to the end. Good support and advice for people in or out of the Church. Thanks Auckland NewZealand
I wish I would have heard this years ago! I feel like the church stunted my prefrontal cortex and made it very difficult for me to Make sound decisions on the behalf of my family and myself When going through a divorce! I appreciate all of your tools that you have shared with us and your vulnerability in sharing your story!
Thank you so much for this very relatable podcast. Thank you Meg for being vulnerable and open. Your story brings me hope that one day I’ll find someone equally amazing.
JOHN: You mentioned that the Mormon Church with all its billions could have developed a decent pre marriage curriculum. FYI:There is a really great premarital questionnaire which exists within the evangelical Christian church( check out Focus on the Family). The 2 individuals fill it out on their own. After the question Aires are “tabulated” the couple meets together with a successfully married HD older couple to discuss the top areas of differences. The older couple will actually predict and counsel through dialogue whether the differences are negotiable or a NO GO. This type of counsel has a significant rate of success within marriage for the couples who navigate the process through the end.
This might be one of my favorites in terms of how things were handled (due to the divorce during along with faith crisis during and post) for both Mom and Dad. Truly, as a child of divorced parents, this story resonated with me so much because I was that child asking “why can’t mommy and daddy be together”, and while every divorce is for so many different reasons, this is a BEAUTIFUL PRIME EXAMPLE that a divorce is NOT, I repeat NOT, the end all be all. I truly do not even have the words to express how much this story is proof that co-parenting and putting the kids in the forefront is absolutely healthy for all involved. I really hope and pray that more people can eventually learn to take a step back, set your feelings for the co parent, good or bad aside. (easier said than done, I totally understand that. This story ie a great “outline” if you will, on how to go about figuring out how to attempt to make your divorce process as amicable as possible, trying to extend grace towards one another, etc. I fully understand that every family’s situations are different, mine being one of them. I’ll try to keep it simple but here goes…My parents got divorced when I was 8 years old, and while it took many years of them maturing, I am so thankful that they did not stay married for the sake of us kids. They are now great friends, we celebrate holiday’s together, etc. They were young and they ended up pregnant with me, which led them which to get married while my mom was pregnant and not by their choice. We lived jn a predominantly LDS city, and most all of my friends were Mormon. I was raised Catholic, that’s for another day. My best friend and I (since the 3rd grade) share the exact same birthday, date; year, all of it. I basically lived at their house all during the summer, went in their family vacations, etc. (At this time my Mom was a single parent of 2 kids woth primary sole custody, so she did everything she could to make sure we never went without). ---> con’d in comments
I spent majority of the time with my bff and their family, which included going to church on Sundays. We always tried to get out of it, I mean who didn’t. Haha. Fast forward to 6th grade and I am somehow taking lessons from the seminaries with talks of being baptized. (When I tell you I was the ONLY non LDS friend, it was so uncomfortable sitting in Sacrament and knowing that I was being judged, which was the one thing I thought they didn’t do, come to find out it was always what they did, down to the designer clothes and fancy cars, each family attempting to “one up” The next, in my opinion anyway. However, by this point I was determined to be included as a “member”; but due to my age, I had to have consent from my Mom, who strait up said no. I was so sad and hurt at the time, and now I thank her daily for not allowing it. Point being, I had absolutely no idea what the LDS Church believed in besides the main stuff that everyone knows…dress modest, go to church for 3 hours on Sundays which eventually turned into me attending seminary in HS, because my bff wouldn’t go unless I went. Let me tell you the only things I learned about being Mormon in all the years I attended as a guest. 1. A woman is supposed to marry a Return missionary and have as many children as God wants them to aka no birth control. 2. The only thing that was ever mentioned about SEX was, “SAVE YOURSELF”, and to each their own: 3. You essentially had to answer to your husband when you got married and lastly, you MUST be married in the temple so make sure you repent to your bishop (who apparently takes 3 min to talk to Heavenly Father before he hands down your “sentence”, essentially letting everyone know you messed up. Now to what I thought I loved about being Mormon. Family. I never understood the no coffee and soda, but that’s prob because we drank soda often. The final straw for me was the temple and the fact that I would NEVER be able to witness what they described as so magical. If you have made it this far, I’m impressed. There’s so much more; but thankfully my bestie married the most wonderful NOT LDS man, and they have a beautiful family, most of the LDS friends I had have now left the church, and I have learned so much about the sad truth of these so called “prophets” and just how discriminatory they have become. I am happily married to my WIFE, and I pray the LDS church will open their eyes to see all the harm and shame they are installing into these young people. Oh, and one last MASSIVE opinion….no 8 year old child should be baptized into any religion until they fully understand what they are signing up for. It really hurts my heart to see young men and women taking their lives because they aren’t “allowed” to be themselves, as in gay, straight, bi, whatever. When it comes to organized religion, no thank you for myself. I believe in God and I will never judge what a person chooses to believe, unless they ste being told made up stories about a man who supposedly wrote the Book of Mormon…and had MULTIPLE WIVES. As I said before, I wish the human race could just come together and be kind and loving. Take away all of our differences and love one another no matter what. John and Margie, I have learned more and more and more and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for allowing people to tell their stories. I love each and every one of you, and to the sweet lady to told her story today; you are an inspiration to so many, and I’m so grateful that your kids’ father seems to be a great human as well. I learn something new from each episode and this one was heartbreaking yet beautiful, and I applaud you for being so brave! Prayers to all! Xoxoxo
Another great episode. I have never been divorced but my son was we were shocked we spent alot of time with them everything seemed great they were very loving good parents. Of couse I get that's what they want to show us. We tried not to fight in front of our kids but it happened occasionally. You also said you didn't fight in front of the kids. I think my sons 7 & 8 yr old were as shocked as us because Mom & Dad shielded the kids from everything so No one saw it coming & we were all very confused. I am not saying we should argue in front of kids but it just makes me wonder if it's easier if they see it coming? IDK that's for sure???
Yep! I too was under the impression that if my husband and I would have had something bad happen before our sealing that we would die in sin and be eternally damned… and our soon to be family with a baby on the way, would not be together forever… and yes we had to wait a full year before that sealing could take place. So naturally we walked the line and did all of the horrible things, sharing every detail to our bishops in order to get sealed and be fully repented 🤮🤦🏻♀️
I'm Catholic & about to get married in Catholic church. We have a book we recieve & an entire course where they tell you not to use birth control. However in Catholic culture, most people ignore that now. But we did not go to church when living together until we were engaged bc of the Still a Catholic & practicing but I actively mentally review each part of what we hear in church & we choose how to proceed.
It shows that many times those that leave are very in tune with their personal integrity, to not just stop attending but to remove your name and it reached out toward their divorce
The BYU marriage enhancement class is very science based. John Gottman’s book was required reading. I was a TA and I could tell most students were surprised that the class wasn’t more gospel based.
Everything she made her husband do for the temple marriage made Everything worse. I feel badly for her, her ex husband and i wish she could have realized how much that church brain washed her. She had to get married in the temple. Its amazing that her husband didn't leave earlier.
I have never related to a story more than this one. My marital issues and telling my wife I wanted a divorce was the fore runner to my faith crisis. I view my marriage and three kids as an awesome part of my life and part of a great journey, but any active member that I talk to about it (especially my wife) feels like our marriage would be a failure if we got a divorce. I'm still in the middle of things. Thanks for this episode.
The mormon church is an expert at turning parents into a nervous wreck. Everything is something to worry about and if you don't have the answer to something then the world will come to an end. It is mind boggling to me that persons base their marriage on being in the church and parents think it is their duty to get their chiñdren to Heaven. I always thought going to heaven was an individual choice. I am not saying don't take your children to church but it is not your responsibility to get anyone to Heaven.
This is one of the most relatable episodes I have listened to. So many things personally resonate with my own story. Thank you for being willing to share in such a down to earth manner.
I'm so glad that I met my nevermo wife we got to know each other physically and mentally and saw we were sexually compatible with each other. If I had known my ex treated sex like an indoctranated Mormon cult member I would not have gotten married to her.
This episode was great, but I think it could’ve been so much better if the ex husband was in the episode as well as long as things were healthy between the ex couple, which it sounds like it was.
Much of the confusion surrounding sealing theology could be avoided by not propagating the concept that people are being sealed as discrete family units. When all is said and done, the persons to whom any given child is sealed are rather incidental. Rather, the primary purpose of the intergenerational sealings is for all those who have come unto Christ via repentance to be sealed as one exalted human Family of Adam.
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Margie and John interviewing together has turned out to be my favorite form of your interviews 💗
Thanks, Meg, for being so vulnerable with your story. My parents divorced in '81. They were LDS from devout families and it was definitely rare at that time. At age 8 and 9 I really struggled with the break-up. I tried so hard to figure out what led to the divorce. Though I never thought to blame myself, I still didn't understand. I went to my mom one day and said "I know why dad left! It's because he needed to live closer to work". She said "I don't think that's it."
Please be honest with your kids. You don't need to go into details but they deserve to know. I spent far too many nights in bed at that age trying to work out reasons. I wish so badly that my mom would have explained their marriage wasn't one of companionship, friendship, and love anymore. That they wish it was but that sometimes two people can't stay married. Instead I was left to come up with my own answers. I think your 8,9,10 year olds are old enough to be given the general truth.
My divorce of 23 years of marriage was a strong result of faith crisis in the LDS Church. Second marriage was to a lovely Catholic man. ❤
We need a dating app for only post Mormons.
If you have investors I can develop the code
That would be useful
I agree. I've wondered if there is one? I haven't used any dating apps, but that could be very helpful!
Do post Mormons only want to date other post Mormons? Really?
@@jengenx7729 no, it wasn’t meant to be literal. However, I do find that women that have been through what I’ve been through with the church really helps in understanding my situation and empathizing with the challenges I face. I’ve dated mostly women that are either never Mormon or barely Mormon and there are times it’s clear they don’t understand what I’m going through transitioning out of the church or with my kids still being in the church.
It’s not a big a deal to be honest and definitely not a requirement to date someone but I am curios what it would be like.
As a never Mormon a neighbor had a situation where as a return missionary he wanted to marry in the temple but the girl had already been sealed to her late husband in the temple. She also had a daughter by her last husband. She wanted to be “unsealed “. The parents of the deceased son were devastated and fought it but lost. Wondering what happens to the “forever” family in these situations. So confusing. So heartbreaking for the true believing grandparents.
Nothing, because it's not real. Within the system, where it is real, it's one of those scenarios where it's usually left at 'It all gets sorted in the end'. The other alternative is that since the goal is that everyone is sealed to someone, then we all end up sealed together as a big happy eternal family, so it doesn't matter who is sealed to who specifically.
When John said “Any two faithful mormons can make it work” I swore I had heard that so many times and that was my thought in looking for a spouse which led to me settling. Of course I know now that’s not true, but what a horrible thing to have thought and or been told but I can’t remember where it came from.
Benson and Kimball both beat that drum. Toxic rhetoric
I definitely learned his in prep for eternal marriage class
25:41 This causes so much suffering in marriage!!! It pits spouses against each other. I know that I felt like I was totally living the gospel and my husband wasn’t leading in family prayer or fhe or anything gospel related! I totally felt superior and he felt like he was being judged and belittled.
It almost destroyed us.
Love this convo and love Julia co-hosting with Margie and John 💜
I loved this episode so much - thank you for doing it! I hope you continue to find people who were married too young and too fast (or for the wrong reasons) who have deconstructed their religious beliefs later in life and are navigating divorce. I think a lot of women are in non-abusive marriages, so they feel trapped and unable to leave without a better excuse. (So many are saying, "I got married to a guy I only felt okay about because of church teachings and pressure, and now it feels impossible to reclaim the rest of my life for myself because it feels selfish.") Thank you for sharing your story!❤ ❤❤❤
This gal is a great story teller, thank you for sharing
Would be cool if the 2 of them could be on your podcast together?
Should ruled my decisions too. Somehow managed to come out and marry my wife but just starting to process now after many years. I’ve found that this podcast and Julia’s work in Analyzing Mormonism are super important to me. Thanks for what you’re doing.
You can’t be a “knower” because you are too honest.
For many years I got up at 4:00 on Christmas morning and drove to my exes house so our daughter had us both there on Christmas morning. When we were a young couple in college we used a Santa hat for a tree topper because we didn't have money to buy one. To this day she, her new husband, and her children with him still use a Santa hat for a tree topper
Meg I loved your talk.
John's Panel is so interesting.
I kept thinking I need to do some work but listened to the end.
Good support and advice for people in or out of the Church.
Thanks
Auckland NewZealand
I wish I would have heard this years ago! I feel like the church stunted my prefrontal cortex and made it very difficult for me to Make sound decisions on the behalf of my family and myself When going through a divorce! I appreciate all of your tools that you have shared with us and your vulnerability in sharing your story!
Thank you so much for this very relatable podcast. Thank you Meg for being vulnerable and open. Your story brings me hope that one day I’ll find someone equally amazing.
JOHN: You mentioned that the Mormon Church with all its billions could have developed a decent pre marriage curriculum. FYI:There is a really great premarital questionnaire which exists within the evangelical Christian church( check out Focus on the Family). The 2 individuals fill it out on their own. After the question Aires are “tabulated” the couple meets together with a successfully married HD older couple to discuss the top areas of differences. The older couple will actually predict and counsel through dialogue whether the differences are negotiable or a NO GO. This type of counsel has a significant rate of success within marriage for the couples who navigate the process through the end.
1:05:23 the sealing theology should demonstrate how tapirshit this whole thing is
1:15:11 I’m in that loneliness
1:51:55 💀 yup I have that thinking often
Thank you. "Life on the other side", unfortunately too many will never know and never see out from under the umbrella.
The umbrella story was uplifting and real for my story!!! 😊
This might be one of my favorites in terms of how things were handled (due to the divorce during along with faith crisis during and post) for both Mom and Dad. Truly, as a child of divorced parents, this story resonated with me so much because I was that child asking “why can’t mommy and daddy be together”, and while every divorce is for so many different reasons, this is a BEAUTIFUL PRIME EXAMPLE that a divorce is NOT, I repeat NOT, the end all be all. I truly do not even have the words to express how much this story is proof that co-parenting and putting the kids in the forefront is absolutely healthy for all involved. I really hope and pray that more people can eventually learn to take a step back, set your feelings for the co parent, good or bad aside. (easier said than done, I totally understand that. This story ie a great “outline” if you will, on how to go about figuring out how to attempt to make your divorce process as amicable as possible, trying to extend grace towards one another, etc. I fully understand that every family’s situations are different, mine being one of them. I’ll try to keep it simple but here goes…My parents got divorced when I was 8 years old, and while it took many years of them maturing, I am so thankful that they did not stay married for the sake of us kids. They are now great friends, we celebrate holiday’s together, etc. They were young and they ended up pregnant with me, which led them which to get married while my mom was pregnant and not by their choice. We lived jn a predominantly LDS city, and most all of my friends were Mormon. I was raised Catholic, that’s for another day. My best friend and I (since the 3rd grade) share the exact same birthday, date; year, all of it. I basically lived at their house all during the summer, went in their family vacations, etc. (At this time my Mom was a single parent of 2 kids woth primary sole custody, so she did everything she could to make sure we never went without). ---> con’d in comments
I spent majority of the time with my bff and their family, which included going to church on Sundays. We always tried to get out of it, I mean who didn’t. Haha. Fast forward to 6th grade and I am somehow taking lessons from the seminaries with talks of being baptized. (When I tell you I was the ONLY non LDS friend, it was so uncomfortable sitting in Sacrament and knowing that I was being judged, which was the one thing I thought they didn’t do, come to find out it was always what they did, down to the designer clothes and fancy cars, each family attempting to “one up”
The next, in my opinion anyway. However, by this point I was determined to be included as a “member”; but due to my age, I had to have consent from my Mom, who strait up said no. I was so sad and hurt at the time, and now I thank her daily for not allowing it. Point being, I had absolutely no idea what the LDS Church believed in besides the main stuff that everyone knows…dress modest, go to church for 3 hours on Sundays which eventually turned into me attending seminary in HS, because my bff wouldn’t go unless
I went.
Let me tell you the only things I learned about being Mormon in all the years I attended as a guest. 1.
A woman is supposed to marry a
Return missionary and have as many children as God wants them to aka no birth control. 2. The only thing that was ever mentioned about SEX was, “SAVE YOURSELF”, and to each their own: 3. You essentially had to answer to your husband when you got married and lastly, you MUST be married in the temple so make sure you repent to your bishop (who apparently takes 3 min to talk to Heavenly Father before he hands down your “sentence”, essentially letting everyone know you messed up. Now to what I thought I loved about being Mormon. Family. I never understood the no coffee and soda, but that’s prob because we drank soda often. The final straw for me was the temple and the fact that I would NEVER be able to witness what they described as so magical. If you have made it this far, I’m impressed. There’s so much more; but thankfully my bestie married the most wonderful NOT LDS man, and they have a beautiful family, most of the LDS friends I had have now left the church, and I have learned so much about the sad truth of these so called “prophets” and just how discriminatory they have become. I am happily married to my WIFE, and I pray the LDS church will open their eyes to see all the harm and shame they are installing into these young people.
Oh, and one last MASSIVE opinion….no 8 year old child should be baptized into any religion until they fully understand what they are signing up for. It really hurts my heart to see young men and women taking their lives because they aren’t “allowed” to be themselves, as in gay, straight, bi, whatever. When it comes to organized religion, no thank you for myself. I believe in God and I will never judge what a person chooses to believe, unless they ste being told made up stories about a man who supposedly wrote the Book of Mormon…and had MULTIPLE WIVES.
As I said before, I wish the human race could just come together and be kind and loving.
Take away all of our differences and love one another no matter what.
John and Margie,
I have learned more and more and more and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for allowing people to tell their stories. I love each and every one of you, and to the sweet lady to told her story today; you are an inspiration to so many, and I’m so grateful that your kids’ father seems to be a great human as well. I learn something new from each episode and this one was heartbreaking yet beautiful, and I applaud you for being so brave! Prayers to all! Xoxoxo
Another great episode. I have never been divorced but my son was we were shocked we spent alot of time with them everything seemed great they were very loving good parents. Of couse I get that's what they want to show us. We tried not to fight in front of our kids but it happened occasionally. You also said you didn't fight in front of the kids. I think my sons 7 & 8 yr old were as shocked as us because Mom & Dad shielded the kids from everything so No one saw it coming & we were all very confused. I am not saying we should argue in front of kids but it just makes me wonder if it's easier if they see it coming?
IDK that's for sure???
Yep! I too was under the impression that if my husband and I would have had something bad happen before our sealing that we would die in sin and be eternally damned… and our soon to be family with a baby on the way, would not be together forever… and yes we had to wait a full year before that sealing could take place.
So naturally we walked the line and did all of the horrible things, sharing every detail to our bishops in order to get sealed and be fully repented 🤮🤦🏻♀️
I'm Catholic & about to get married in Catholic church. We have a book we recieve & an entire course where they tell you not to use birth control. However in Catholic culture, most people ignore that now.
But we did not go to church when living together until we were engaged bc of the
Still a Catholic & practicing but I actively mentally review each part of what we hear in church & we choose how to proceed.
I remember yelling in therapy, "I hate my mother and I feel guilty about it!"
Once was enough fir me. Never again.
Not only was it not true, it also wasn't kind!
Awomen sister!!!
Not just not true, but they intentionally lied and deceived you. Such a toxic swamp that we have sat in.
Completely unrelated to the video, in fact I just started it, but John's shirt is fantastic. I would wear this.
It shows that many times those that leave are very in tune with their personal integrity, to not just stop attending but to remove your name and it reached out toward their divorce
The BYU marriage enhancement class is very science based. John Gottman’s book was required reading. I was a TA and I could tell most students were surprised that the class wasn’t more gospel based.
Everything she made her husband do for the temple marriage made Everything worse. I feel badly for her, her ex husband and i wish she could have realized how much that church brain washed her. She had to get married in the temple. Its amazing that her husband didn't leave earlier.
I have never related to a story more than this one. My marital issues and telling my wife I wanted a divorce was the fore runner to my faith crisis.
I view my marriage and three kids as an awesome part of my life and part of a great journey, but any active member that I talk to about it (especially my wife) feels like our marriage would be a failure if we got a divorce. I'm still in the middle of things.
Thanks for this episode.
The mormon church is an expert at turning parents into a nervous wreck. Everything is something to worry about and if you don't have the answer to something then the world will come to an end. It is mind boggling to me that persons base their marriage on being in the church and parents think it is their duty to get their chiñdren to Heaven. I always thought going to heaven was an individual choice. I am not saying don't take your children to church but it is not your responsibility to get anyone to Heaven.
I loved this!!!!
Only the Devil would have you believe you couldn’t be with your own family or child in Heaven.
This is one of the most relatable episodes I have listened to. So many things personally resonate with my own story. Thank you for being willing to share in such a down to earth manner.
I'm so glad that I met my nevermo wife we got to know each other physically and mentally and saw we were sexually compatible with each other. If I had known my ex treated sex like an indoctranated Mormon cult member I would not have gotten married to her.
Kids are so resilient when they aren't used as pawns in parents divorce
This episode was great, but I think it could’ve been so much better if the ex husband was in the episode as well as long as things were healthy between the ex couple, which it sounds like it was.
Much of the confusion surrounding sealing theology could be avoided by not propagating the concept that people are being sealed as discrete family units. When all is said and done, the persons to whom any given child is sealed are rather incidental. Rather, the primary purpose of the intergenerational sealings is for all those who have come unto Christ via repentance to be sealed as one exalted human Family of Adam.
Had they introduced divorce attorneys into the process, this would have been a much different story.
Yeah Margie!!
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Beautiful story and so many messages of hope 🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍