Why Baldur's Gate 3 is better than Spider-Man 2...
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While Baldur's Gate III winning GOTY was a great achievement, we also must acknowledge the absolutely terrible production of the show, many award winners we're given a pitiful amount of time to accept said awards and give their speech. Ads got far too much space, guests showcasing upcoming releases and other promotions were like 3x that of the actual award speeches.
Larian Studios barely had the time to remind the audience of the unfortunate loss of staff and mourn. Their Cinematic Director passed away 2 months ago before this event and little thought was given from the audience or showrunners. (There are pics of signs being shown to "Wrap it Up"; absolutely disgusting). They never got to announce their game had come to Xbox either.
Don't even get me started on that! That's an entire video on its own.
@@BetaComboZ Imma get you started on that. Why award shows slowly decay over time to suck the d of corporate money.
@@Jd-zl7mn oh boy. That'll be a documentary size video haha
oh man im thankful i dint risk my sleep and instead waited for an article to list all the trailers and winners. since most categories were sidelined. "Trailers Awards" innit
Literally found out through YT that BG was released for Xbox. Yeah this year the speeches were cut really short.
People are so scared to try new things. Baldurs Gate 3 is so masterfully done that I feel like so many people are in denial. It's so strange.
I wish more people would play it before making assumptions. I never played Alan Wake 2, but I wasn't mad it won Best Narrative.
BG3 is overrated. It doesn't do anything new and there are better CRPGs out there.
I don't know anything about spiderman. I'm not playstation guy.
@@beethovenlivesupstairs4182 That's a hot take.
@@beethovenlivesupstairs4182 Could you please list some better CRPGs than BG3 then?
@@beethovenlivesupstairs4182 Can you suggest some then, I'm really interested as BG3 was my first. So I'd like to know what to try.
Calling the Awards rigged for awarding a game made by a studio thousands of times smaller and with thousands of times less money than Sony is pure bias. Most of those creators don't know a thing about Baldur's Gate other than it beat their favorite game in an awards show, so it's unfair to make claims against it while not understanding what it did to earn those awards.
What they did was definitely incredible for the resources they had. To be fair, I do agree that being an independent company makes decisions easier.
only zelda losers and spider-losers think game awards is rigged
Well as much as BG3 deserves the win, i wouldnt go as far as to say that the awards are not rigged. There is no other Explanation how The Last of us 2 could have won in the past, as that game was hated by half of the existing gaming community for its shit narrative and overall story.
@@mermidion7552 It’s because the Game Awards is weighted way less towards fan votes and way more towards their panel of judges, many of whom are game critics. We know game critics loved TLOU2 just by looking at Metacritic. Either way, that still has no bearing on BG3 winning. BG3 won the fan vote (player’s choice award), and Sony has much more money to potentially “rig” the vote than Larian does.
@@BetaComboZ Yeah, I more meant that if there was behind-the-scenes rigging, it would be done by Sony because they have the money to pay off the Awards committee lol
Larian basically proved there’s no excuse to deliver an unfinished game and then charge your player-base $10-$100 for DLC or expansions that aren’t MMOs like FF14 because all you’re doing is double dipping your consumers for the other 40% of the game that was unfinished at ship date.
Couldn't agree more!
they did... and they didn't. They showed what's possible when youre community funded and given the appropriate time to make a game good. They didn't show why that was better than what the other producers currently do, like at all. For a fraction of the investment, those companies can fund something that does less than half of the innovation, and make exponentially more money.
Did BG3 sell well? Sure. But it needed to to make them any money at all, which is why its great that it sold exceptionally well.
Whereas activision can churn out new maps (and sometimes old maps with updated textures, *cough* modern warfare 3 *cough* for the same game every year, and sell fewer copies, and still make more money.
@@LoudAngryJerkYou’re completely right and I wish you weren’t. I don’t think BG3 is gonna have a large impact on how games are handled going forward because corporations already know they have player bases conditioned to eat up every bit of of slop that is thrown at them every year or few years.
Elden ring and then BG3 I’m glad we’re getting good games
It's because they had it on early access. The thing the internet was literally crying about when Cyberpunk came out.
"Make us beta test it for you".
What do you know, the internet was right. 😂
Baldur's Gate 3 Devs: Makes one of the best games of all time
Every other game dev: ....
You are making us look bad...
Other devs: Please stop. They won't buy our $70 dlc game 😢
I don’t want to be that guy, cause nobody likes that guys, BUT.
$70+ games aren’t games made by “other devs” they are tripleA. Saying “other devs” make bad games worth too much gives a middle finger to all indie and small dev teams.
I’m not going to start listing game names.
Sorry for being a *that guy* but I felt it had to be said.
It's polished because they did the thing everyone was screaming devs should do when Cyberpunk was released: Provide early access and get feedback, because no matter how good your team is and how thorough your beta testers are, they wont get to replocate what it's like when it's out and millions of peoole will have gotten their hands on it.
Devs need real players to test out their game before release, and I mean in it's natural habitat, their gaming basement/room/setup 😂
its more than player feedback tho. that is a big part of it dont get me wrong, but another massive part of bg3's success is that there was no producer or investors breathing down larian's neck. the game was entirely made by fans of the genre with feedback by fans of the genre. other game devs simply dont have the freedom to make their games the way larian was able to. thats something it think alot of games dont realize when other game devs say stuff like "we dont have the reoruces that larian did" bg3 had a budget of 100 million dollars with no one but the players to tell larian what to do. anyway bg3 good, spiderman 2 good, bg3 (and everyother game nominated) better
@@OzyPepperthat's so important to say, thank you! Game developers are gamers too and trust me as someone who has helped develop games we want nothing more than for people to enjoy what we create.
The problem are the producers, the ones who lead the whole project. They give the go of when a game needs to be released. *Needs.* While game devs know best of where a game needs fixing and finishing touches.
The developers under Larian Studios were given the opportunities to add content based on player feedback. There are plenty devs under AAA studios that would love to do that too but don't get the chance to (and let's be real, also don't get paid enough as is)
If I’m to give my 2 cents here: I was rooting for totk, I thought it was the goat for Zelda and really fun and inventive. Then bs3 won and I was little sad but I asked myself “is it really that good?” So I played it and yes it was and I have a large respect for the game now. I hope more people can be less close minded and give it a try before complaining
I hear from quite a few people that ToTK was just BoTW 2.0. It definitely had MASSIVE hype on release. It was all over my feeds.
@@BetaComboZyeah, it's very much botw 2.0 in many ways. In saying that, it is a good game, a great game even! But, just like BOTW it's not for me, I put maybe 50hrs into it, only doing 2 of the 4 main dungeons, and I haven't touched the game since release. It's just not what I like about Zelda sadly. Tho, I imagine many found it to be exactly what they were hoping for
@@SushiGhost97yeah I’m super disappointed to hear that Nintendo recently announced that the old linear game design of classic Zelda is now “a thing of the past” so either they’ll double back on that or, more likely, we’re gonna get a few more open world games in the vein of botw.
So… that sucks…
@@AnimatedTerror I really just want something closer to a Link Between Worlds again. That game managed to find tjr perfect balance of player freedom without sacrificing the quality of dungeons or the total removal of gadgets. It's really hard to care for the master sword when I know it can break after 3 minutes of combat
@@SushiGhost97 See I want twighlight princess again. a darker story with a cool asthetic with some really well designed dungeons. I stand by that TP had the best designed 3D dungeons in the series. The goron mines, arbiters grounds, snowpeak ruins, temple of time. oh man temple of time may be my favorite in hindsight. it's a two part temple where part one is getting to the top of the tower solving puzzles and making your way up, then a darknut fight which again I think TP has the best version of them. but then the second part is going down the temple with the statue and just destroying all the contraptions and mechanisms that halted you on the way up. so good. so so freaking good. make another linear game Nintendo!
7:08 "do you want to collect a thousand barrels and blow them up all at the same time to make your gpu into a homeade bomb? you can do that, you can play the game how YOU want to play it" 😂i approve this message
Barrels or Owlbear from the top rope.
Thats the only way I want to play.
That 145 hour number for 100% completion in BG3 seems very off to me. I’m 165 hours in and I know I missed a ton of side quests.
I've definitely clocked more than that for a single play through
2 times finish act2 + starting act3 = more than 600 hrs of mine. 😂
I think they forgot a digit.
right? that's act one lol
w/ the player agency of dynamic narrative and reactivity no doubt i did miss a lot, and thats regards save scumming my way
Whenever I see someone in a comment section about the game awards saying shit like “why has a trash game won GOTY” it’s so frustrating because you just KNOW they’re ignorant. They just refuse to try it
I had the same thought when it came out. "Idk man this looks boring"...played it... I'll never say that again.
Thing is, it's okay to say that a game is not your type. But noooo, they can't even do that. A lot of SM2 fans refuse to acknowledge that maybe there are reasons why people love BG3.
Same experience and I am so damn happy I went out of my comfort zone. That was the best $70 I’ve ever spent
The funniest thing are the people calling it rigged. Are these people saying Larian has more money than goddamn Playstation or Nintendo? Delusional. If anything, that Epic didn't force Alan Wake 2 goty with their infinite Fortnite money speaks for itself.
Idk how tbh they litreally have 62791001065482916910k money
"I came completely prepared and nothing happened the way I expected it to." That's BG3 in a nutshell XD
BG3's combat is the embodiment of Mike Tyson's famous quote: "Everyone's got a plan until you punch 'em in the face." I can't count the number of times that I've went in with an intricately planned and set up strategy, only to miss one or two key attacks or have a character get debuffed with Fear or knocked out of position and then have to just improvise the rest of the fight XD
So many things can go wrong!
@@BetaComboZ "Alright everyone is in position so when my turn rolls aro- Oh my god Lae'zel just got pushed into the abyss... FUCK IT! Eat Arrow of Many Targets you dickheads!"
Upon contact with the enemy, The first thing that dies is the plan.
Thats dnd in a nutshell
neil's dialogue is actually closer to 10 hours. 10.
not to mention he was responsible for a lot of the mocap. not just for astarion, but for others as well. he even did mocap for the animations the characters can do when you pick their class on the creation screen. it's wild.
Spiderman 2 met expectations for what 1 gave.
Baldurs gate 3, however, went above and beyond the expectations and was loaded with passion for the tabletop game it was based on.
Game of the year should always be given to pure passion projects
This was genuinely entertaining. You mentioned you hadn't played a Larian game before, Divinity Original Sin 2 is quite fun, I really like the first one too, even as old as it is. I recommend them highly and I am so looking forward to DOS 3 seeing now how far they have come in just those three games. The Divinity Original Sin games were crowdfunded and made with love. I found myself falling into the BG3 gameplay very easily due to having played DOS 1and 2 already, so I imagine it would work the other way too.
After playing BG3 I've HEAVILY considered it. It's on my list for sure.
i played their real-time action RPG 'Divinity II' and thoroughy enjoyed it. Bought DOSII based on that to play Co-op with someone very close to me. we had barely started to play and then something happened and i couldnt continue the game because of the close association the game had with that even though i was loving it. sorry so cryptic but its personal. The point is i missed out and i'm so glad BG3 came out and i got another chance almost. Great studio and its so good to see something less mainstream getting all this recognition.
Lets be honest. He's a bear regardless of whether he is wildshaped or not.
Sshhhh don't say it so loud.
There's lots of us bears out here.....
Spiderman 2 is OK
Baldur's Gate 3 is a fucking masterpiece
Only those who've played know the difference.
My opinion on this argument as a person that loves both Spider-Man 2 and bg3, bg3 is clearly the better game to put it into perspective. I beat Spider-Man 2 once, one time and 100 percent completed it and probably will maybe play it again once or twice for fun here and there. With bg3 I’ve already played it fully 3 or 4 times and there’s still things that I’m just now discovering you can do and new dialogues I found out you can do! I haven’t even done arguably the coolest fight in the game against Raphael yet, and am still discovering cool and unique things. In my personal opinion bg3 definitely deserves game of the year because it genuinely is the best game of the year no question in my mind, however I will say one thing, I think yuri deserved best voice actor award, however Neil newborn did such an incredible and amazing job as Astarian and nailed every line he provided and produced even when you do something as crazy as kick him in the balls. So that award for me is so close that it’s a toss up and I think they both deserve it! 😌
That's fair! I think the fact that I'll only play Spider-Man 2 once ever and BG3 has already taken so many hours of time from should speak for something.
I have an issue with the categories itself. Instead of Esports, creators etc. we could have something like best Level Design, best Quest Design, best UI, best Open World and so on.
That would be nice! Too many leads to other problems though.
I mean you don't even need to replace rewards but maybe cut 20min from the 2hrs of ads.
@matblwm It might be necessary though, gaming is just too big now to over-generalize. Hell even for GOTY, for people who knew it BG3 was the obvious winner but there were so many people who had NO clue what it was up until GOTY itself. Gaming has just become that big
Prototype 2 never stood a chance
You're getting the pin of shame.
Anyone who gets it has back problems now.@@BetaComboZ
Im so glad someone finally said it
I was looking for this comment everywhere
Tuxking epic and hilarious protptype 2 would be better than sploogeman due to gore and murder
Bringing out the cat after defending the Halsin scene is pretty wild 😂
HEY!! My cat isn't a Druid!!
@@BetaComboZ how can you be sure? Does your cat take long rests?
@@XenoVarzek ...interesting
@@XenoVarzek another Xeno!
@@XenophonQ indeed :D
BG3 is truly impressive. brings a tear to my eyes ಠ⌣ಠ
That game and God of War: Ragnarok are just....something else entirely.
I’m so confused about why people thought Spider Man was a top contender for GOTY. I thought there were a bunch nominated but the real contenders were BG3 and TOTK. I didn’t hear anyone talking about Spider Man II so the uproar just took me by surprise. I haven’t played it. Honestly, I didn’t know it existed. I’m sure it was a good game, but I just had no familiarity with it.
For me personally, I loved DOSII and was so psyched for BG3 I checked Reddit nightly between August and December to see when they would give us BG3 on Xbox so I could finally play it. Larian just makes good games and I’m glad they’re getting all this recognition.
Even Alan wake 2 had a better shot imo considering its aesthetic and performance in the other awards
And it's well deserved!
Agreed. Love the DOS games.
DOS is something I plan on finally trying next….after maybe another 5+ playthroughs of BG3.
It’s the issue of people staying in their bubbles and have extreme level of tribalism and the needs for drama to fuel their social media career. Every winner of this year’s award is basically the devs that are the best at that category, and if you play a broader selection of games it’s easy to accept that. The Spiderman games were good in the PS4-PS5 era and they created a fan base but that doesn’t make them automatically the best. Like Larian specialises in RPG and their two big projects have won in that category consistently. Or it is just the fact that you can’t beat Square Enix in the soundtrack category in the year they release one of their major lPs, because they have a storied history of doing so. It’s a simple fact, just because you like something doesn’t mean it’s the best in everything.
I preordered bg3 before it came out and i recently bought spiderman 2. I loved them both. The web swinging especially in spiderman 2 is just so fun. But it was never a doubt in my mind that bg3 was the goty. Spiderman 2 had some flaws particularly with the 2nd half of the story feeling pretty rushed. Bg3 is just a masterpiece plain and simple.
Plain.And.Simple.
It's ignorant to say this, yes I've followed the game about a year before it came out, I pre-ordered and played day one. Act 3 wasn't polished and it really was a let down compared to the first 2 acts story and quest wise. There are definitely things that could have been better and I think we should point these things out so Larian can do an even more amazing job with maybe Divinity 3. Is it GOTY? Absolutely it is, it was amazing, but as fans we need to be able to objectively look at the flaws regardless of how we feel about the game
@@974OMG My only issue with Act 3 were the unresolved story lines for Karlach specifically. I didn't have an issue with anything else. And it's not ignorant to call a masterpiece. The definition is "In modern use, a masterpiece is a creation in any area of the arts that has been given much critical praise, especially one that is considered the greatest work of a person's career or to a work of outstanding creativity, skill, profundity, or workmanship." BG3 absolutely fits that criteria.
Honestly i thought the first 2 acts were at a good pace and act 3 was just slightly rushed. But its sonys fault for act 3 being a little rushed tho.
The fact that anyone can get upset about any of the actors winning the award for Best Performance is just crazy to me. Every single one of them delivered a fantastic performance in their respective games. While I'm happy Neil Newbon won the award, any of the nominees for Best Perfomance winning would have been a deserved win.
Spiderman 2 was an awesome action game. Really enjoyed it. Streamlined experience.
BG3 is a masterpiece RPG and arguably the best RPG of all time. It was made by a small studio and completely embarrassed many triple A companies.
Love BG3. Will play it many times over the coming years. I truly believe it deserves game if the year. No idea if Spider-Man did or didn’t.
Hope fans of both have many hours of enjoyment with their respective games.
Excellent video, absolutely agree! BG3 is one of the best games ive played my entire life (Been playing games since late 90s)
I also Greatly enjoyed Spiderman 2 but...Lets be honest, even if BG3 didnt come out this year... Spider-Man 2 wouldn't of won GOTY, Alan Wake 2 or Zelda would of won it (yes AW2 is so damn good i think it had a solid chance against Zelda).
Heck RE4 Remake was a vastly better game then Spidey 2 even, Spidey 2 was a Good game surrounded by absolute Monstrously Great Games in the nominee line up.
Sadly, I think Spider-Man finally having Venom again during a year like this is unfortunate for them. It's still the same formula as the other games so it doesn't shine like the rest. Good game, but yes...ToTK would have probably beaten it. (I haven't played Alan Wake 2 yet)
@@BetaComboZ yea Venom was definitely the best part of Spidey 2 but the game was still to "safe" as a sequel.
AW2 is Absolutely worth checking out, if not for BG3 personally it would prob be my GOTY, that or RE4R but I am a sucker for that Genre lol.
AW2 is much more impactful if ya have played AW1 and Control first however, Still great without those experiences but it certainly enhances it if you've played them.
Facts
"I came completely prepared, and nothing went my way" never felt more seen that when i heard this statement 😅. Even in actual DnD this shit happens and makes you sweat bullets lol.
Spiderman 2 wasnt even in the race... if BG3 didnt exist, TOTK or Alan Wake were taking it... Spiderman never had a chance in hell either way.
Some People here at YT are still telling the story of the "bad Act 3" ("cut content", "it is a mess", "unfinished", ...).
*All BS. Everything just denial and envy.*
I am already playing my third run in BG3 and I did not find any real game breaking things in any of the acts. There are some rough edges, yes and some small things, that could be done better (and likely will be fixed), but they are overshadowed by far by the overwhelming quality of the content in any of the acts. Any of the acts on its own is better as most of the other recent AAA games.
Of course, turn based is not everybody's thing, but honest people still admit that BG3 is good -- if you cant, you are just living in your own opinion bubble and do not want to leave it.
I only played the 2-hour trial cause I have Ps plus, but it is $70, and if it’s worth it, I’ll buy it, even though I’m trying to get God Of War Ragnarök so I can play the DLC, and I’m trying to spend $140 so still thinking
@@lil_jay7926 I was addressing other people, that tell BS about the game -- I guess there are different reasons. But I was not talking about people that did not buy the game (yet). I know it is not for everybody and there are so many reasons not to buy the game. I was just talking about negative comments.
No one in their right mind who’s actually played baldues gate and spider man can truly say spider man is better than
BG3 was the first type of game in this genre I’ve played and I am just blown away. I cannot believe I paid once for this amount of content and replayability. It’s easily the best game I’ve ever played and I have only finished it once, on my second of several already planned out playthroughs with character ideas to play around with!
This game is the DEFINITION of getting what you pay for.
i'm old-school. Believe it or not i have been gaming over 40 years. ive seen gaming evolve so much and it started with a huge upwards trajectory but its been on a downward spiral the last 10-15 or w/e years. perhaps this will illustrate my point:
i remember in vanilla wow there was a 40v40 pvp battleground, Alterac Valley iirc. the battles could last up to 12 hours! the tide could turn back and forth many times. you could be so close to losing and just manage to push them back at the last min and then counter-attack with your own offensive. that could happen multiple times. you could play 3-4 hrs whatever and it was late, you were tired, you had to log off for bed. you could sleep 8 hours, log back on, and the same battle was still raging which you could/would rejoin. no rewards, no pvp points system. ppl were there just because they wanted to be. they were having a great time. and the sense of accomplishment when/if your side won was unbelievable.
then they 'improved' it all. they streamlined it. each battle max 30 mins. they added reward points for pvp participation which could be used to buy pvp gear (which could then be used to gank pve players out in the game world). as soon as one side was close to losing everyone in chat was like 'just let them win. stop fighting them. lets get the next one started'. half the players immediately gave up so there was no chance at all. half the ppl didnt even want to be there they were just farming the points. yes there were (many) more ppl participating but none of them were having anywhere near as much fun.
that to me is the state of modern gaming, and BG3 is a blast from the past. Its Alterac Valley vanilla style. Its old-school but with all the added benefits of state-of-the-art technology.
I never played Spider Man 2 but base off all the gamplays and playthroughs on social media, it’s not so different between Spider Man 1 and Miles Morales
It's better than those games, but more like those 2 in 1.
How are spider-man fans gonna complain about the story, gameplay, etc, then argue that it’s the best thing since sliced bread. I played both and 100% spider-man 2, I FRIGGEN LOVE SPIDER-MAN 2 AND ITS STORY AND EVEN THE EVOLVED MILES SUIT, but compared to BG3 which was my first introduction to Baldur’s gate, it just didn’t compare, it was too good and deserved all the rewards they won.
Hell I personally thought it was gonna be between TOTK and BG3
Great video dude!! I have never actually played either games but now I am going to have to try Baulders Gate. Love the content. Keep it up ❤
11:06 just gonna save this so I can watch it over and over again.
Great job with this video. Keep going bro. The grind is never over 👍
Thanks man! Always appreciated!😊
BG3 absolutely deserved the GOTY award what they didnt is the amount of time Larian was given for that speech, they deserved more
The games for the average folks who don't really like video games (spider man, 2k, fortnite, call of duty. Etc) are for such a different group of people than baldurs gate 3.
Like the kids who work for me. They wouldn't understand deep gameplay mechanics and they sure as shit have no idea what player agency is.
It's this simple. For spider man to even sniff the depth of BG3 you'd be able kill Mary Jane. Reanimate her dead corpse to ask her about it. Then hurl her body off a skyscraper and hit the green goblin.
Who would then have voiced dialog for that exact scenario and ask you about why you hit him with your dead girlfriend.
THIS might be my favorite comment of 2023. Holy shit.
I ain’t gonna lie, I really like Spider-Man, but I like story driven games like Uncharted and Tlou more than overrated games like Cod, and tbh it’s good thing that people try Spider-Man since it is story-driven, and a lot of streamers enjoyed it, cause they trying out different games, cause tbh me playing the first Spider-Man and Miles Morales, I think Spider-Man 2 was worth $70
As someone who grew up on BG1&2 i was ready with my credit card the day early access was available
Ive never felt more HEARD as a member of a games community. Getting to watch BG3 grow and then surpass any and all expectations has been so effing lovely to just sit back and watch.
Also yeah, Neil deserved every ounce of praise. Even beyond how well he preformed, soo so so many people feel such a deep connection to his character. and im not even talking his stan army, but people whove experienced trauma. It shows just how far good deep character writing just really shines in a game setting, and how important it can be to the people who consume it.
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you have to pay for early access?
Edit: Ah crap I looked it up and for the time it was full price. It's of course more expensive now paying for AAA games, the price went up by 10 USD
I suppose getting to play it ahead of time is the justification for the price, because I know many people who would pay full price to get their hands on a specific AAA title years before release.
@@samf.s.7731 larian also has a lot of good faith from their community for their DOS series. Fans knew they were good for their word. They also broke their bank just getting the licence so they did need it. Literally funded by their fanbase, and by golly we got every penny back in spades
Nothing against the other VAs, it’s just that Neil’s delivery positively jumps out at you, in a good way. Jazmine from the Boondocks and Penny from Bigtop Burger are other such vocal deliveries that just sound so… Genuine.
i'm old-school. Believe it or not i have been gaming over 40 years. ive seen gaming evolve so much and it started with a huge upwards trajectory but its been on a downward spiral the last 10-15 or w/e years. perhaps this will illustrate my point:
i remember in vanilla wow there was a 40v40 pvp battleground, Alterac Valley iirc. the battles could last up to 12 hours! the tide could turn back and forth many times. you could be so close to losing and just manage to push them back at the last min and then counter-attack with your own offensive. that could happen multiple times. you could play 3-4 hrs whatever and it was late, you were tired, you had to log off for bed. you could sleep 8 hours, log back on, and the same battle was still raging which you could/would rejoin. no rewards, no pvp points system. ppl were there just because they wanted to be. they were having a great time. and the sense of accomplishment when/if your side won was unbelievable.
then they 'improved' it all. they streamlined it. each battle max 30 mins. they added reward points for pvp participation which could be used to buy pvp gear (which could then be used to gank pve players out in the game world). as soon as one side was close to losing everyone in chat was like 'just let them win. stop fighting them. lets get the next one started'. half the players immediately gave up so there was no chance at all. half the ppl didnt even want to be there they were just farming the points. yes there were (many) more ppl participating but none of them were having anywhere near as much fun.
that to me is the state of modern gaming, and BG3 is a blast from the past. Its Alterac Valley vanilla style. Its old-school but with all the added benefits of state-of-the-art technology.
I really didn’t like Spider-Man 2 that much. I thought it was riddled with a bunch of melodramatic cutscenes and the story wasn’t good. Especially when comparing it to the first game. Yeah this game’s combat and swinging is fun but I just didn’t like it overall. Would much rather play Spider-Man 1 and the Miles game.
I totally understand this perspective and also agree to a lot of what you've said. It wasn't as "spectacular" as the original for sure.
I've never liked the turn based style except for old final fantasy and pokemon. But bg3 made me fall in love it. It's my choice for best game so far, in all of gaming history.
makes sense though, BG3 really isnt traditional "turn based". Most people who tend to dislike turn based games think of final fantasy or pokemon...with a lineup and no movement options just....take a turn, choose attack....next. Bg3 turn based involves so much more than just take a turn pick an attack, move on.
I hadn't played BG3 and knew nothing about it when I watched these awards. I remember calling it "the Baldur's Gate Awards" and remember Neil's speech being the one that didn't make me cringe. Picked up the game last month and I GET IT NOW.
The last game that made me feel like this was Chrono Cross, like... 17 years ago?
I LOVE to hear this! Being open minded to games has brought me so much joy and I'm glad it did for you too!
The games are totally different far as genre's so not really an apples to apples but yeah BG3 is on a league of its own as far as everything the industry has to offer. I like Spiderman 2 don't get me wrong but its like the first spiderman but a continuation of it which is fine but the way BG3 impacted the industry is similar in how Elden Ring did and Spiderman 2 is to BG3 what Horizon Forbidden West was to Elden Ring imo.
I agree 👍
My first play through was over 200hrs. No regrets.
Leaving a comment on this hilarious and well made video so the algorithm pays more attention to it 👍
You're too kind. 👑
Cool video. The guy's name is Neil Newbon, not Newborne
Damn my journalism skills!! (Thank you)
Any streamer who reacted negatively to BG3 winning outed themselves as low IQ. In terms of quality and execution, it's not even remotely close.
At first I thought I would never like bg3 and was meat riding spiderman during the game awards. After playing it, I fully understand why it won a lot of awards. It was similar to my experience with rdr2, didn't like it at first then loved it from start to end
Character arc
they are two completely different games with different goals. Videos like these are just silly
Why are all the spiderman 2 fans ignoring the nintendo shaped elephant in the room? lol Honestly even if BG3, TOTK and mario wonder didnt exist spiderman 2 likely wouldn't have cleared Alan Wake 2, either. I don't think I'd even favor it vs RE4 or FF16. Spiderman 2 got done a favor to even be acknowledged.
Very true! Spiderman was probably 3rd or 4th place tbh
Facts!!!!
I think most gamers knew that BG3 was going to win and most understand why. It's just the loud minority who are mostly doing it for the views on their channels imo
Squeaky wheel gets the grease, as they say.
@@BetaComboZ True, but ty for the video, it was great and the fact that you played both to completion give your opinion more weight than most :)
It wasn't spiderman 2 against bg3 it was more like Alan wake 2 vs bg3
Let me simplifie the video.
Spider man II - Kids game of the year.
Baldur's Gate 3 - Men game of the year.
Simple as that.
Gigachad moment
I'm trying to understand why do you compare a juicy burger to an awesome fruit salad.
Different flavors is a great way to compare it! I think that argument is why I made this video. I love the way you think!
I’m tryna understand how you compare a pile of shit woke dlc to a legendary industry moving new age classic
@@thetrashcanman7537which one are you talking about because none of them deserve that insult
@@thelittlestarlight6221 lgbt man 2 Mary jaw edition would be the woke sht dlc of course
@@thelittlestarlight6221i think i will start to hate on repetation spiderman 2 is Like Every modern game type game ever i want umique gameplay somethkng new that sets it apart from other games right now most power fantasy games cant even beat Fucking prototype 2 which came out in 14th century for fuck sake
Because it simply is better then Spiderman 2 game in every way. Great game, great story, not to mention that you can literally change how things will go and end in countless situations, play the game over many times and each time have a different way of doing things based on your choices, have different results. Various characters, each with their own story and those stories in turn can have different progression and outcomes depending on choices.
Versus some linear console platform jumper with fancy visuals here and there. Nothing to compare to.
Absolutely. It's night and day difference. I like Spider-Man 2, but BG3 changed my perspective of expectations.
I love bg3 but for some reason I really want to play Spider-Man 2 more. I think Spider-Man 2 is just more my style though bg3 is objectively the way better game.
Spiderman3 10 or so hr's you've done everything Baldur’s Gate 3 100s of hrs & several playthroughs later you can still be having wildly different senerios for most of the game plus there mod's & multiplayer to keep it going there's a reason why Baldur’s Gate 3 has 80k-200k on steam alone playing daily Baldur’s Gate 3 is such a widely good game it's crazy to even think such a game was ever made Baldur’s Gate 3 is such a good game it's in fact one of the best game's ever made in the last few decades & will most likely still best one of the best fir decades to play.
Firstly, how was that one entire sentence? Secondly, I agree.
Turn based never appealed to me. BG3 turned that completely around. The game is soo much fun and playing it multiple times is fun too. Spider was a great game. I loved playing it, but I played it once and don't want to play the same thing all over again. I'll play it again when the dlc comes out. You play Spiderman 2 once and you've played the whole game. Spiderman deserves awards and praise, just not over bg3. It should have come out last year or next year.
Same happened for me. Only turn based games I played before was Pokemon.
yeah stick of truth is turn based and hands down one of my favorite games
A stick of truth player? You have all my respect
Bg3 is my first larian game and i love it! I do love fantasy games, so that certainly swayed me. (witcher, elder scrolls, dragon age, just to name a few) spiderman is my favourite superhero, but the games look flashy but boring to me. Theres so much i missed on my first playthrough of bg3 (which i haven't finished- almost) and actually knowing how a lot of things work now, it feels so different. I've already sunk 101 hours into bg3.
Baldur’s 3 isn’t just GOTY, people need to understand that it’s top 5 best games of all time, if not #1.
Baldur’s Gate 3 set the new bar in gaming in general. You can’t say that about any other game the last 10 years except Witcher 3, let alone GOTY.
This year was one of the best year for games and BG3 still absolutely blew all competition out of the water now and for years to come.
It’ll likely be 10-20 years until a game beats BG3.
BG3 was that good.
30hrs in I was like yo this without a doubt obviously goty this game too good…
I completely agree. BG3 is a once in a lifetime game. I doubt we will see something like this for a really long time.
I've restarted and replayed BG3 3 times and I haven't even finished the campaign yet! I haven't finished the game and spent 140 hours into it.
That should go to show just how amazing it really is.
Same lol and I am loving it.
@@AmySorrellMusic Shit I am doing another playthrough already because I was like. Wait. Super Paladin!
BG3 has everything you could possibly want in a game. It has awesome characters, story, quests, it has romance, comedy. It definitely deserves the game of the year award!
Couldn't agree more!
I personally don’t want to romance Halsin (at the moment) but he DOES pass the Harkness test
You better watch out or you'll get the pin of shame next time.
But who doesn't want a big strong elf daddy?
Bg3 is Skyrim but you don’t need mods to enjoy and a better story
Spiderman 2 is probably good but I didnt beat pt.1 & Miles Morales games yet. Baldurs Gate 3 though? THAT shit goes hard. I just hit 350hrs on ps5 so far
Oooof. Well, don't feel bad. Miles was only 7 HOURS OF STORY MODE!
Ay you should finish the games man, they’re good, at least imo, at least get back into them and don’t give up on the Spider-Man games
The discourse around GOTY has been insufferable to the point I’ve had to delete comments just to stop getting 12 year old replying with the same shit
2022-3 GOTY events were good but let’s be honest no one was getting in anything but elden ring and BG3 winning, a better discourse would be Elden ring vs baldurs gate, in which Elden ring wins
Even if BG3 didn't exist spiderman 2 wouldn't had won game of the year.
I agree. Too many heavy hitters last year.
As a gamer since the mid 80s. Baldurs gate 3 is literally the best game I have played in my entire life.
I couldn't agree more! I just recently started playing it again and I'm still shocked at just how well made the game is.
"SM2 recycled like 85% of the previous two games, watered down several mechanics, gave way too much time to divisive characters, and the plot was a retread of a storyline that has been done way better in other mediums... how could it not win GOTY?!" -Sony Ponies
spiderman 2 is a 70 dollar game that sacrifices quantity for quality. Baldurs Gate 3 is a 60 dollar game that sacrifices neither of those things and pulls off both of them. End of story.
As someone who hasnt played d n d games until bg3 its fabulous. And now i play other dnd games like pathfinder lol😂
I love that all of the reasonings why baldurs gate 3 suck in the dude bros eyes are. Boils down to "It's not mainstream enough"xD
Bro Spiderman 2 was mid. It's not even comparable to games that were not nominated for GOTY.
How did you know I spent way too much time deciding on my Genitals?
It's a requirement for proper immersion.
If BG3 wouldnt have released this year then Zelda would have won. BG3 and Zelda are 2 of the best games ever created
Spider-man 2 isn’t even the second best game. ToTK, Alan Wake 2, AC6, FFXVI, Sea of Stars, and Chained Echoes (after last years GotY) are better IMO.
I know one simple thing that Baldur's Gate 3 has that Spiderman 2 does not.
Replay value.
Spiderman 2 is a fun but linear game with only so much optional content. (And the political messaging will easily make this game feel dated real quick in the next few years.). You don't have any choice in the matter of the story for the game. You will always experience the same thing from start to finish. I don't think Spiderman 2 will be remembered that fondly in the next 3-5 years.
Baldur's Gate 3? This game has tons of memorable content that will keep you playing for a long time. I can easily see people sinking 700-1500 hours into this game trying to experience everything they can. The replay value alone will make this game a very popular choice to pick up. From origin stories, to classes, to story aspects. Very few players will ever have a truly beat-for-beat match of their playthroughs.
11:08 This edit almost made me spit my gum out laughing 😂 My first character was a druid and I lost count of how many times owlbear'd enemies to death.
FROM THE TOP ROPE!
While i dont agree with everything in this video (mostly the game length being a bad thing. Most of my favorite games are short ones.), i will say that Baldurs Gate has been one of my favorite games now..like ever. Id hope so with almost 400 hours 🤣 and im STILL seeing new shit. Ahhh. Spiderman 2 was dope and i enjoyed my time with it, but Bladurs gate 3 is something else entirely.
Zelda itself destroys Spider-Man 2 never mind bg3
I didn't even play Zelda and I agree.
@@BetaComboZmakes zero sense
People actually think spider man 2 deserved GOTY over the other shit thats come out this year? Dont get me wrong as far as spider-man content? Incredible work, but as far as a game award winner? Its a far cry from something like Baldurs gate, even as a huge spider-man shill im willing to admit that, im still pretty sure not a single person in my group who has baldurs gate 3 has actually finished it still which is crazy
“Bg3 is better than Spider-Man 2” is one of those phrases that should not require an explanation.
I’m not hating on Spidy, i love both him as a character and what insomniac did with him, but as a video game Bg3 is on an whole other level entirely.
Said that, feel free to disagree with me, to each their own.
Spiderman 2 was way too short I Platinumed it in under 20 hours, meanwhile I'm 400 hours into BG3.
I got BG3 a week ago. I’m only a few hours in and it is so obvious why it won.
My personal choice was Alan wake 2. But after buying BG…. Yeah…. It was a landslide victory.
Spider-Man 2 did was great all around and did a few things amazingly. Baldur's Gate 3 is near perfection.
My thoughts exactly!
I personally would even say it is perfection. At least up to now.
@@hanzomain8302 nah, near perfection. there are a few quests that either feel unfinished or rushed.
Spoilers:
Mol is an example of this. She just magically somehow escapes Moorise towers. no explanation.
Ones an action game another is a roleplaying game. I wonder why the roleplaying game has much more meaningful interactions than spooderdude. One is a cinematic experience while the other has you buckled for a ride with total freedom.
With one game you beat once 100% it and maybe down the road you can replay it again for the same exact experience. Bg3 you can do a dozen playthroughs and have tons of different encounters with so many branching paths and outcomes. Each story can have tons of variations and different outcomes it's impossible to 100% it in one go
I mean it’s not Spider-Man 2 or BG3 has a bad story, me personally I enjoyed Spider-Man 2 a lot, I played the first one and it was good, but y’all Spider-Man like it’s mediocre Cod
The fans tripping about it losing GOTY was less surprising than them freaking that the actor didn't win. I always thought he was a pretty generic spiderman and gave a pretty generic performance
I can't imagine what sort of miracles must happen in order for anyone - including Larian Studios - to create a game that's better than Baldur's Gate 3.
Larian even added sex update before the community could even ask 😌🙏
EXACTLY!
What people don’t understand is that the average gamer in this day and age only looks for what is replayable. So COD anything isn’t a shit game you just look for different things than the average gamer.
From someone who played BG3 and SM2, even though I love SM2, baldurs gate gives you so much freedom and your choices actually matter.
Absolutely. You can play it over and over and it's always different.
Personally I’m a big bg3 fan and believe it deserved to win but this video isn’t really conveying the true reasons why super well ://
Lil Snapshot of who's playing things right now on steam:
1. Counter-Strike 2 710,380
2. Dota 2. 374,475
3. Team Fortress 2. 207,569
4. Baldur's Gate 3. 160,664
5. Grand Theft Auto V 133,754
BG3 still out here being a goat I see.
15hrs is plenty for 70. Often too much because of repetition. Spiderman 2 was exactly the same as spiderman 1 :>
Id rather have 10hrs of new content than another 15-20 of spider man 1
I totally understand that! To be fair a lot of the gameplay hours are spent in the battle system too haha
For starters im not spamming the same 6 button and holding L1 just to spend half the game watching Mj Miles and Parker do things ive seen them do in 16 movies(featuring spiderman/venom) and multiple animated series😂😂😂😂
Every white guy that stands or sit on a exercise ball seems to be the best at these reviews
@aaaaasasadwad I appreciate the reference! There's quite a few of us on TH-cam, but NakeyJakey stands above us all haha.
All it is is these kids wanting to brag about a game they play being better than anything else.
And when that’s taken away from them, they whine, cry and throw a fit like the little children they are.
Lol spider man 2 is recycled garbage. Any game is better than that overhyped mediocrity.