I can't imagine how discouraging this experience was. I hope most who see this video understand that a well tuned Lister CS or clone will normally start on a single compression stroke.
First of all thank you for uploading the videos on this engine. I have owned a 24/2 8/1 and two 6/1 and they started pretty easy even at 30 degrees in my detached garage. Not sure why this one is so hard to start. If you have not already installed an electric start by now I suggest using a hair blow dryer and blowing it straight into the air intake. the hot air should make a huge difference on how quickly it starts. I used that trick on my dads John Deer when it was hard to start in the cold. Should work even better on this diesel.
Apparently it was cold the night before he tried to crake it, that's why he couldn't crank it up to speed before he hit the fuel and compression release - when there in a colder climate it's better to use synthetic oil - in cold country you normally have a water cut off on one of the cooling water tubes that u set a gasoline or propain torch on and preheat the head and the cylinder to 180° F - then we heated the injector with the torch u can put the torch in the air inlet also and start it or light a rag soaked in fuel that's lit on fire and hold it next to the intake and let it suck the fire into the cylinder and start it that way if needed when it's cold -if the valves are leaking I started them with a torch blowing hot gas in the intake -
I am surprised it is so hard to start. I have an ashwamegh that starts the first time the piston goes past TDC. I don't have a glow plug either. In the winter I use a 5 HP lawnmower engine as a poney engine in the winter rather than run light weight oil in it. The pony engine runs from a belt around the flywheel with a idler pulley and I just release the idler pulley when it starts and the belt drops off.
There must be something wrong, it should not be so reluctant on starting. My CS 3,5HP starts immediately after I release the decompression lever - even in frosty conditions - it's original Dursley product however. If I were you I would check the injection timing. Even a brand new Diesel engine will be difficult to start if the injection is too late. Good luck and Happy New Year!
The definatley has fuel problem, either air in the fuel at the injector or a bad injector. The Lister version when in good order will start first crank in sub zero tempreatures.
I'd have a heart attack trying to start that thing. Glow plug is a must. Lots of diesels of all brands won't even think of starting without them even with starting fluid.
If you are having problems starting now, wait until this winter. A little cold weather and you may not be able to get it running at all. Suggest you use the glow plug every time you cold start it, wether it is cold outside or not. The colder it is outside, the longer you glow the engine.
Hello I can hear the specific noise of timing gears having real play, so of course your engine timing is no more right like it was when made. That's why it's extremely hard to start The timing idle gear problem is common with these engines and need to be corrected as soon as possible, if it broke your engine may be destroyed. The problem is the idle gear is not originally positionned at the right place, the play is too much and it grind the gear quickly Need to install an offset center bolt for it, or to file it's hole in the right direction Regards.
Usualy on these engines there is a wheel on the oposite side of the inlet/ exhaust, next to the water outlet. It is threaded and if you screw it in fully then it covers a small chamber in the head which raises the compression for starting.
Thats a shame. Just rebuilt my lister cs 6. Starts really easily. Make sure your pump timing is correct. You should here the injector release about 4" before TDC. New engines do need to be broken in. It took about twenty hours with new rings, piston and valves. The governor throws in more juice to reach governed speed so she will jump a bit until the piston and big end are broken in. Rubber mounts on a cs make no sense. Bolt it down hard. The spill timing is marked on the fly wheels of original Listers with two or three lightning stamps. If you here the injector spit when the marks line up with the centre of the fuel filter banjo, your good.
Nice Listeroid. I can't help thinking that the trouble in starting was that you hadn't got the compression adjuster set to full for starting? If it is then it should start first time everytime, nice CS though. All the best, Phill.
Very interesting, thanks for posting. But that's severely hard to start, wouldn't be too optimistic about getting it going on a really cold day. Can't help feeling that there's something amiss there. But definitely worth getting some sort of power start system on it, or enable it to start from a tractor pto or something.
Did you ever sort it out?? I can't here the injector pump squeaking, it obviously works eventually, you'll do yourself a mischief!!!! I just started my 75 year old cs after 1 year in 0 degrees; started immediately after prepping!! I hope you get it sorted
Hello, that is a hard starting cs but it isn't broken in yet. After it has 20 or so hours on it I'd bet it will fire straight off. As for the compression changeover valve, I haven't seen one on an Indian Listeroid. Regards
Take a look at my 1939 lister CS, it starts after 3 or 4 revolutions, even when i left it for two years!!!! There's something wrong with this engine i'm afraid. You don't need electric start, they are one of the easiest diesel engines to start by hand.
I don't think you need electric start. If you had pneumatic tools like a heavy duty impact gun and an air compressor, you could make a special socket that fits the crankshaft and start it that way. That's what I would do.
Your setup looks nice. By watching you start the Lister, I thought that your fuel rail was on while you were cranking. When I start my 16/1, I get up speed, flip the fuel rail on and release the compression release. What size is your generator head? Thanks for sharing your videos. Robert
Please don't keep calling this a Lister! It's a copy, a 'listeroid', an imitation of the real thing. That dreadful apparatus needs the attention of a competent diesel fitter to sort it out.
i have a 1951 6/1 lister dursley startomatic plant , the difference in the running is like day and night , the old british listers are pretty smooth , also did you find any casting sand in your engine , ive heard of a few people who have ? took some cleaning and major stripdown but worth it ,
I cant believe you went threw all of that Im not shure how you have all that set up. I work for caterpiller in the marine devision and I have seen belt driven pto pumps try to shake a 7000 pound engine off its mounts. if an engine is hard mounted the pto can be hard mounted. If an engine is on isolators the driven load must be conected to the same isolation. or the belt needs to be realy long just like the old machinery. I hope Im wrong about your prblem. I have seen this before. CHEERS WINDY NC
Holy Shit! That going cause you a heart attack. You an I about the same age... Thanks for the video..i am now throufhly discouraged from buying any of these india made crap engines.
Can't even begin to imagine the fun, trying to start that bitch on a cold, stormy, rainy night..... ; I once had a chainsaw which nearly gave me a heart attack, every time I tried to start it. (After two weeks I had enough. I pulled off the motor and used it for all sorts of experiments....) I felt a lot better and now I have a GOOD chainsaw!
@worldvoyagers Hi, don't see the electric start video yet, you have that sorted? I saw a clip with an electric starter from a truck driving a small rubber wheel on the fly wheel, and also a small petrol engine doing the same duty, but then you may have two damn motors that give you a hard time.
If you look around on TH-cam for Lister Diesel starting systems you will see both electric and using a compressed air stater system. Both starter systems use a friction drive to the flywheel and turn the engine over quite easily best of luck and yes if I were in your shoes an electric or compressed air starter would be in the works tomorrow. The electric starter uses a bendix drive system by bolting a gear today the generator pulley and the starter to the generator and is probably the easiest way out for your engine Something has to be out of spec on that engine as that is the worst starting Lister I've seen. Kindly let us out here in TH-cam land know what you did for a starter system please?
This engine's got problems, it should start almost instantly, I have a 1939 and 1948 lister 3 / 1 and 6 / 1 which do not have any glow plugs, they start easy on a hand crank, even in freezing weather. In fact i started my 3 / 1 a few weeks ago, it hadn't run for a year, it started no problem.
I WOULD BE CHECKING THE SPILL TIMING AS YOUR GETTING A GOOD REEKE OF WHITE SMOKE AND CHECK THE RACK BAR ON THE PUMP IS FULLY OPEN. BUT IT IS A COPY(POOR QUALITY CONTROL) AND YOU MAY HAVE TO CHECK VALVE TIMING AS WELL
I'm looking at your video because my 6/1iod runs rough too... has anyone else mentioned it seems like the RPMs on your is super HIGH? I have a CS with those stover wheels, and while it jumps around (because I don't have it bolted down properly) it runs easier than that. Seriously, the video seems to sound like you have it running TWICE as fast as it should. I'm no expert, but check out that RPM.
It looks like your compression is down,have you check to see what it is?You would have better luck if your running about 19 to 1.A simple fix would be to shave the head to increase it.
there is somthing im missing here is a sigle cyl dissel beter than a single cyl gaser in this sitch theres no turbo for the dissel so i dont think it would be any more efficent than a gaser without the turbo =\
i have a 40 year old yanmar that sat in a leaky irrigation shed half its life.never fails to start on the first or second try.there is something wrong with this listeroid
It's a listeroid - it looks like it does not have the cold start High Compression change over the original design had - Lister Dursley UK put it on for a reason
Wow, that is way too hard to start... I have a 6/1 and it pops first time every time. It looks to me like you are NOT getting enough fuel. Enough to make smoke, but not enough to accelerate the engine significantly. The yolk that connects the throttle linkage to the injector pump fuel rack could be binding. This could be preventing full throttle for startup. Try starting your lawn mower, snowblower, snowmobile on a cold morning without enough choke or prime, same theory... Good luck
No es un lister genuino. Es una réplica hindú. Lister para los 8/1 Y 16/2 NUNCA fabricó los volantes con huecos equidistantes. Acuerdece que ellos mismos actúan de contrapesos para el cigueñal
This is NOT a true Lister,..it can't be ! I know they take some grunt to start but the 'green' Listers I've used always started with the first turning of that 'cursed' hand crank. Do you think you'll ever be able to start this engine in colder weather ? Lord knows you can't use either starting fluids, so what did you do ?. I say did, as I presume you've solved the problem by now, as this is 2014 and your video is 2009 !
Dear sir that engine is goin to kill you , i have used a thermo king engine and build a very nice generator automatic start you should consider the same.
Please don't call it a Lister, it is an inferior copy. This is no more a Lister than an Ambassador is a Jaguar, or an Enfield India is a Royal Enfield. If you want good quality, you have to pay. If you buy a poor quality imitation of the real thing, then be prepared for trouble.
***** Easy dude! Forget the English snooty bit. I have traveled to many countries, some of them 3rd-world. I have worked with perfectly satisfactory copies/clones of Lister engines running small radio stations. There is nothing wrong with a good quality copy of the real thing, they work perfectly. You get what you pay for. Cheap poor quality imitations will give you trouble, hence my comment. The imitations that I have worked with were certainly not cheap; they were well-made and had parts that were directly interchangeable with Lister parts. They were however no more a Lister than the next copy. I stand by what I said in the first place: Poor quality imitation bad, expect trouble. There are dozens of companies making Lister clones, you just have to read the reviews and be prepared to pay good money. Best wishes with your project, I hope you got a good one.
OH my God........is that thing a POS ? Watch the other video of people starting Listeroids, they light off with a few revolutions. This engine has some sort of problem. I feel sorry for all your troubles with this inferior brand of engine.
I can't imagine how discouraging this experience was. I hope most who see this video understand that a well tuned Lister CS or clone will normally start on a single compression stroke.
First of all thank you for uploading the videos on this engine. I have owned a 24/2 8/1 and two 6/1 and they started pretty easy even at 30 degrees in my detached garage. Not sure why this one is so hard to start. If you have not already installed an electric start by now I suggest using a hair blow dryer and blowing it straight into the air intake. the hot air should make a huge difference on how quickly it starts. I used that trick on my dads John Deer when it was hard to start in the cold. Should work even better on this diesel.
It might be a bit impractical to run a 1500 watt electric blow dryer when there's a power outage.
Apparently it was cold the night before he tried to crake it, that's why he couldn't crank it up to speed before he hit the fuel and compression release - when there in a colder climate it's better to use synthetic oil - in cold country you normally have a water cut off on one of the cooling water tubes that u set a gasoline or propain torch on and preheat the head and the cylinder to 180° F - then we heated the injector with the torch u can put the torch in the air inlet also and start it or light a rag soaked in fuel that's lit on fire and hold it next to the intake and let it suck the fire into the cylinder and start it that way if needed when it's cold -if the valves are leaking I started them with a torch blowing hot gas in the intake -
I am surprised it is so hard to start. I have an ashwamegh that starts the first time the piston goes past TDC. I don't have a glow plug either. In the winter I use a 5 HP lawnmower engine as a poney engine in the winter rather than run light weight oil in it. The pony engine runs from a belt around the flywheel with a idler pulley and I just release the idler pulley when it starts and the belt drops off.
There must be something wrong, it should not be so reluctant on starting. My CS 3,5HP starts immediately after I release the decompression lever - even in frosty conditions - it's original Dursley product however. If I were you I would check the injection timing. Even a brand new Diesel engine will be difficult to start if the injection is too late. Good luck and Happy New Year!
The definatley has fuel problem, either air in the fuel at the injector or a bad injector.
The Lister version when in good order will start first crank in sub zero tempreatures.
I'd have a heart attack trying to start that thing.
Glow plug is a must. Lots of diesels of all brands won't even think of starting without them even with starting fluid.
If you are having problems starting now, wait until this winter. A little cold weather and you may not be able to get it running at all.
Suggest you use the glow plug every time you cold start it, wether it is cold outside or not. The colder it is outside, the longer you glow the engine.
Hello
I can hear the specific noise of timing gears having real play, so of course your engine timing is no more right like it was when made. That's why it's extremely hard to start
The timing idle gear problem is common with these engines and need to be corrected as soon as possible, if it broke your engine may be destroyed.
The problem is the idle gear is not originally positionned at the right place, the play is too much and it grind the gear quickly
Need to install an offset center bolt for it, or to file it's hole in the right direction
Regards.
Usualy on these engines there is a wheel on the oposite side of the inlet/ exhaust, next to the water outlet. It is threaded and if you screw it in fully then it covers a small chamber in the head which raises the compression for starting.
Thats a shame. Just rebuilt my lister cs 6. Starts really easily. Make sure your pump timing is correct. You should here the injector release about 4" before TDC.
New engines do need to be broken in. It took about twenty hours with new rings, piston and valves. The governor throws in more juice to reach governed speed so she will jump a bit until the piston and big end are broken in.
Rubber mounts on a cs make no sense. Bolt it down hard.
The spill timing is marked on the fly wheels of original Listers with two or three lightning stamps. If you here the injector spit when the marks line up with the centre of the fuel filter banjo, your good.
I feel worn out just watching that - must admit though after all that swinging it sure feels good to hear that engine fire up... Who needs a Gym? :-)
Holy fuck lol
I just can't stop laughing
What generator / alternator do you have attached?
Many generators can be reverse driven to turn them into motors...Instant electric start.
How about an air start system? I recall seeing a video on YT of a fella adapting one to his and it seemed to work great.
Good job figuring it out. To use the electric start, what about getting the flywheels rebalanced? Or is that a different engine?
Very innovative! Looking forward to seeing that, hope it all goes well.
Nice Listeroid.
I can't help thinking that the trouble in starting was that you hadn't got the compression adjuster set to full for starting?
If it is then it should start first time everytime, nice CS though.
All the best,
Phill.
Are you still alive and well? Need an update on this installation, PLEASE!
Não gostei! Ruim de pegar..
Very interesting, thanks for posting. But that's severely hard to start, wouldn't be too optimistic about getting it going on a really cold day. Can't help feeling that there's something amiss there. But definitely worth getting some sort of power start system on it, or enable it to start from a tractor pto or something.
Hi there!
Nice running engine when it finally starts but you cant beat the good old true british built ones made in Dursley!!
Cheers
Adam
Did you ever sort it out?? I can't here the injector pump squeaking, it obviously works eventually, you'll do yourself a mischief!!!! I just started my 75 year old cs after 1 year in 0 degrees; started immediately after prepping!! I hope you get it sorted
That squeaking is the injector
Such a pity. These clones just does not run the same, or as easily as the good old lister CS engines.
Hello, that is a hard starting cs but it isn't broken in yet. After it has 20 or so hours on it I'd bet it will fire straight off. As for the compression changeover valve, I haven't seen one on an Indian Listeroid.
Regards
Should start WAY easier than that!
Take a look at my 1939 lister CS, it starts after 3 or 4 revolutions, even when i left it for two years!!!! There's something wrong with this engine i'm afraid. You don't need electric start, they are one of the easiest diesel engines to start by hand.
I don't think you need electric start. If you had pneumatic tools like a heavy duty impact gun and an air compressor, you could make a special socket that fits the crankshaft and start it that way. That's what I would do.
Your setup looks nice. By watching you start the Lister, I thought that your fuel rail was on while you were cranking. When I start my 16/1, I get up speed, flip the fuel rail on and release the compression release. What size is your generator head? Thanks for sharing your videos. Robert
Please don't keep calling this a Lister!
It's a copy, a 'listeroid', an imitation of the real thing. That dreadful apparatus needs the attention of a competent diesel fitter to sort it out.
i have a 1951 6/1 lister dursley startomatic plant , the difference in the running is like day and night , the old british listers are pretty smooth , also did you find any casting sand in your engine , ive heard of a few people who have ? took some cleaning and major stripdown but worth it ,
Hi, I am from India, I think you need to check your engine's timing and compression.
I cant believe you went threw all of that Im not shure how you have all that set up. I work for caterpiller in the marine devision and I have seen belt driven pto pumps try to shake a 7000 pound engine off its mounts. if an engine is hard mounted the pto can be hard mounted. If an engine is on isolators the driven load must be conected to the same isolation. or the belt needs to be realy long just like the old machinery. I hope Im wrong about your prblem. I have seen this before. CHEERS WINDY NC
Holy Shit! That going cause you a heart attack. You an I about the same age... Thanks for the video..i am now throufhly discouraged from buying any of these india made crap engines.
Can't even begin to imagine the fun, trying to start that bitch on a cold, stormy, rainy night..... ; I once had a chainsaw which nearly gave me a heart attack, every time I tried to start it. (After two weeks I had enough. I pulled off the motor and used it for all sorts of experiments....) I felt a lot better and now I have a GOOD chainsaw!
Your IP timing could be off. Is it adjustable? Can you advance it a few degrees?
@worldvoyagers Hi, don't see the electric start video yet, you have that sorted? I saw a clip with an electric starter from a truck driving a small rubber wheel on the fly wheel, and also a small petrol engine doing the same duty, but then you may have two damn motors that give you a hard time.
If you look around on TH-cam for Lister Diesel starting systems you will see both electric and using a compressed air stater system. Both starter systems use a friction drive to the flywheel and turn the engine over quite easily best of luck and yes if I were in your shoes an electric or compressed air starter would be in the works tomorrow. The electric starter uses a bendix drive system by bolting a gear today the generator pulley and the starter to the generator and is probably the easiest way out for your engine
Something has to be out of spec on that engine as that is the worst starting Lister I've seen.
Kindly let us out here in TH-cam land know what you did for a starter system please?
This engine's got problems, it should start almost instantly, I have a 1939 and 1948 lister 3 / 1 and 6 / 1 which do not have any glow plugs, they start easy on a hand crank, even in freezing weather. In fact i started my 3 / 1 a few weeks ago, it hadn't run for a year, it started no problem.
Get an ac delco starter generator off old bulldozers and big lawn tractors, I'd take that one back because that should start better.
Seems to me that it's slightly off time - advanced a little too much at low RPM.
Looks like it runs ok once you get it started though.
I WOULD BE CHECKING THE SPILL TIMING AS YOUR GETTING A GOOD REEKE OF WHITE SMOKE AND CHECK THE RACK BAR ON THE PUMP IS FULLY OPEN. BUT IT IS A COPY(POOR QUALITY CONTROL) AND YOU MAY HAVE TO CHECK VALVE TIMING AS WELL
no don't shut it off
I'm not an expert,but that does not seem to start right.
To see a very smooth running lister, look for video with title:
Slow Speed Lister Diesel Engine under load at 460 1/min Einzylinderdieselmotor
I'm looking at your video because my 6/1iod runs rough too... has anyone else mentioned it seems like the RPMs on your is super HIGH? I have a CS with those stover wheels, and while it jumps around (because I don't have it bolted down properly) it runs easier than that. Seriously, the video seems to sound like you have it running TWICE as fast as it should. I'm no expert, but check out that RPM.
Thanks for the update.
Thank you for the update
never start out pushing down on the crank its a good way to break your arm alwase pull up
Заводится хорошо, но долго. :)))
The engine starts fine, but for a long time. :)))
It looks like your compression is down,have you check to see what it is?You would have better luck if your running about 19 to 1.A simple fix would be to shave the head to increase it.
there is somthing im missing here is a sigle cyl dissel beter than a single cyl gaser in this sitch theres no turbo for the dissel so i dont think it would be any more efficent than a gaser without the turbo =\
Did you have a heart attack????
i have a 40 year old yanmar that sat in a leaky irrigation shed half its life.never fails to start on the first or second try.there is something wrong with this listeroid
It's a listeroid - it looks like it does not have the cold start High Compression change over the original design had - Lister Dursley UK put it on for a reason
Wow, that is way too hard to start... I have a 6/1 and it pops first time every time. It looks to me like you are NOT getting enough fuel. Enough to make smoke, but not enough to accelerate the engine significantly.
The yolk that connects the throttle linkage to the injector pump fuel rack could be binding. This could be preventing full throttle for startup. Try starting your lawn mower, snowblower, snowmobile on a cold morning without enough choke or prime, same theory...
Good luck
No es un lister genuino. Es una réplica hindú. Lister para los 8/1 Y 16/2 NUNCA fabricó los volantes con huecos equidistantes. Acuerdece que ellos mismos actúan de contrapesos para el cigueñal
This is NOT a true Lister,..it can't be ! I know they take some grunt to start but the 'green' Listers I've used always started with the first turning of that 'cursed' hand crank.
Do you think you'll ever be able to start this engine in colder weather ? Lord knows you can't use either starting fluids, so what did you do ?. I say did, as I presume you've solved the problem by now, as this is 2014 and your video is 2009 !
Poor injector spray pattern or low fuel pressure!
I'm thinking get electric start!
Dear sir that engine is goin to kill you , i have used a thermo king engine and build a very nice generator automatic start you should consider the same.
Hummm ! Very interesting ;-)
wait a sec that thing is a replica
need to eating well
Please don't call it a Lister, it is an inferior copy.
This is no more a Lister than an Ambassador is a Jaguar, or an Enfield India is a Royal Enfield.
If you want good quality, you have to pay. If you buy a poor quality imitation of the real thing, then be prepared for trouble.
*****
Easy dude!
Forget the English snooty bit. I have traveled to many countries, some of them 3rd-world. I have worked with perfectly satisfactory copies/clones of Lister engines running small radio stations. There is nothing wrong with a good quality copy of the real thing, they work perfectly.
You get what you pay for. Cheap poor quality imitations will give you trouble, hence my comment.
The imitations that I have worked with were certainly not cheap; they were well-made and had parts that were directly interchangeable with Lister parts. They were however no more a Lister than the next copy.
I stand by what I said in the first place:
Poor quality imitation bad, expect trouble. There are dozens of companies making Lister clones, you just have to read the reviews and be prepared to pay good money.
Best wishes with your project, I hope you got a good one.
son of a bitch - takes some to go
wish my roid was this smooth ,
OH my God........is that thing a POS ?
Watch the other video of people starting Listeroids, they light off with a few revolutions.
This engine has some sort of problem.
I feel sorry for all your troubles with this inferior brand of engine.
Something is way wrong ! And man learn not to put your thumb around the handle ! You must learn this or at some point this engine will catch you
POS.