FULL GUITAR BUILD in 42,000 YEAR OLD New Zealand Kauri

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  • Welcome to CRIMSON GUITARS HQ www.crimsonguitars.com/
    Start to finish, in a single video, watch this 42,000 year old New Zealand Kauri go from a large piece of timber to a beautifully finished guitar.
    #luthier #guitarbuilder #kauri #fullbuild #guitarbuilding
    Chapters:
    0:00 Introduction
    0.17 Beginning the whole process. Sawing up this beautiful wood
    1:56 A beautiful Fender will donate all its electronics to this build.
    2:45 The neck - strips of black veneer and Kaurie
    4.00 The body - making a hollow body from very soft wood - so much sawdust
    8:30 The top is made to fit perfectly
    9:36 The neck and headstock are ready to be shaped - and braces are cut for the top
    11:24 Putting a bevel on the F hole - glue the braces
    12:22 Finalising the shape of the guitar
    13:16 Finessing the bracing, adding a bridge plate
    17:20 Gluing the binding to the top
    19:32 Gluing the top to the body and smoothing out the kinks
    21:54 The downside of Kaurie - a very soft wood - bring on the Cactus Juice
    24:15 Binding the F hole
    30:25 Working on the neck - inserting carbon fibre rods and truss rod
    34:04 Measuring and cutting frets - as well as the fretboard inlays
    36:10 The wood is still too soft so back to the drawing board - flooding it with superglue
    37:03 Inserting the frets, Crimson Logo, and side dots
    40:41 Working out the routing for the neck and pick-up cavities
    41:08 Finishing and fitting the neck
    43:25 Superglued - lacquered and now strong enough for the bridge and electronics
    46:45 Neckplate, tuners, control knobs and strings
    51:59 The last of the finishing touches
    53:09 Conclusion
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  • @edwardhaigh4249
    @edwardhaigh4249 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I need to hear it play,what a beutifull piece of art,congats from oz.

  • @rnrmfguitarworks
    @rnrmfguitarworks 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    As a Kiwi, it’s been an absolute pleasure watching this journey, and seeing a treasured piece of my homeland turned into something truly beautiful. Thank you for sharing it with us. 🤘🏻

  • @_iLLuSiv3_
    @_iLLuSiv3_ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    That has to be the best-looking guitar I have ever seen, I would love to hear that sound from it.

  • @andysfishingandflytyingcha2310
    @andysfishingandflytyingcha2310 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I need to hear it!!❤

  • @timcoombe7880
    @timcoombe7880 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm one of those people who hold their breath when concentrating...
    I also appear to be one of those people who hold my breath when YOU'RE concentrating... I mean, that Crimson inlay? I swear I turned blue!
    Beautiful instrument. Thanks for sharing.

  • @bramweinreder2346
    @bramweinreder2346 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This build got me into the channel. You make it seem like a cake walk. It wasn't.
    Your creative approach in other builds made me appreciate your skills as a craftsman. Your candidness made me appreciate you as a person. Even though you're not the most business minded person, I think that's actually a strength, you're hands down one of my favourite TH-camrs and this is one of my favourite projects.

  • @chitownstoneman
    @chitownstoneman 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I feel like its been 42,000 years since this project started. 😋

  • @ronnie5129
    @ronnie5129 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    A Spectacular Build Here, Thanks, The Wood is just Outstanding, k Gibson,,Fender, & Paul Reed Smith should be Knocking On your door, to hire you, Lol, Cousin Figel

  • @miketurner1768
    @miketurner1768 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's like watching Rembrandt at work. Totally off the planet and georgious . 👍👍🎸🎸🎸🎸

  • @jameshuneycutt3156
    @jameshuneycutt3156 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Absolutely magnificent, a true work of art! Thanks for sharing the experience!

  • @Killick79
    @Killick79 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Stunning guitar, amazing series of videos, thank you very much, Ben!

  • @kremabuwhacha7438
    @kremabuwhacha7438 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My favorite is always the 1st episode where I can see the initial plan and dream that gives me a chance to imagine possibilities before seeing the final piece ❤

  • @robertbeer2584
    @robertbeer2584 หลายเดือนก่อน

    absolutly 100% stunning build, I am in awe !!!!!!!!!

  • @PeterVail
    @PeterVail 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That’s beautiful Ben , well done .

  • @motaman8074
    @motaman8074 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Truly a masterpiece. Gorgeous.

  • @oldskoolpaul75
    @oldskoolpaul75 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolute class! Watching the birth of an unbelievably beautiful guitar such as this gives me a hell of a lot of pleasure, thank you crimson.

  • @dan78nad
    @dan78nad 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome job Ben!

  • @lurveleggoutdoors9930
    @lurveleggoutdoors9930 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely beautiful! Wow!😮

  • @jimgraves4197
    @jimgraves4197 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I will never tire of seeing this build, it's a stunning guitar.

  • @MotoGreciaMarios
    @MotoGreciaMarios 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow. Just wow.

  • @LRBerry
    @LRBerry 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was a pleasure to watch,

  • @R.Nashoba
    @R.Nashoba 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Always killer craftsmanship 👊🏽

  • @CMRWoodworks
    @CMRWoodworks 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome build!

  • @falcon8553
    @falcon8553 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a journey. Simple and plain has its own uniqueness

  • @andyroberts792
    @andyroberts792 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That's a beautiful looking guitar and an A+ luthier. Thank you for sharing the build with us.

  • @jesusgom0245
    @jesusgom0245 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful!

  • @DTGuitarTech
    @DTGuitarTech 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Honestly, this was the best series you have done. I loved it. When there was a quiet period, I got kauri anxiety! I loved how you showed your mistakes, like when the logo snapped. But then you recovered really well. And, as always, how experimental you are. Great great series of videos.

  • @stevencochrane115
    @stevencochrane115 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That does look exceedingly Nice!

  • @oldman7452
    @oldman7452 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A beautiful piece of work.

  • @slowhandete
    @slowhandete 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Absolutely stunning

  • @VanHomeAdventures
    @VanHomeAdventures 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Incredible

  • @StevieScotty19
    @StevieScotty19 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I watched every episode of this build,After watching this video from start to finish,Now this might just be me,But I sensed a bit of emotion there from ben when he realised it was finished,Outstanding work,And an absolute pleasure it is tuning in every week watching this master at work👍👍👍

  • @vinced5741
    @vinced5741 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    amazing work

  • @MrAlan0151
    @MrAlan0151 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of the nicest guitars i have ever seen

    • @CrimsonCustomGuitars
      @CrimsonCustomGuitars  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you.

    • @scottdavidson6066
      @scottdavidson6066 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CrimsonCustomGuitarsWhy didn’t you play it a bit? That was a pretty serious oversight!

  • @thorggernaut3081
    @thorggernaut3081 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a masterpiece…

  • @user-le5in5uv1y
    @user-le5in5uv1y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very high woodwork knowledge! Bravo! ❤

  • @TheWrighty68
    @TheWrighty68 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh wow, that is a object of desire and is absolutely stunning guitar (art)

  • @DTGuitarTech
    @DTGuitarTech 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It’s like a piece of art.

  • @stevencochrane115
    @stevencochrane115 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beauitifully executed, what a gorgeous looking guitar.

  • @itonuoro3813
    @itonuoro3813 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    beautiful guitar!

  • @AlanRutherford
    @AlanRutherford 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So when is the plane shavings and epoxy guitar build going to happen? The shavings under template in solid box was just too striking an idea to pass up!!

  • @VanjaSpirin
    @VanjaSpirin 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was really impressive.

  • @d3dude
    @d3dude 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very nice build. i can't wait to see what you do with the shavings and router chips.

  • @IlyaLavrovsky
    @IlyaLavrovsky 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    She is just gorgeous ❤

  • @mattomon1045
    @mattomon1045 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mr Ben you did a great job!

  • @joshwoodgate5776
    @joshwoodgate5776 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Such a pleasure to watch as usual Ben & Team. You don’t know how jealous I am that I don’t work for you 🤣 Beautiful attention to detail and true craftsmanship. This is how is should be!

  • @jimmyfleebot
    @jimmyfleebot 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Hard to imagine now but there was a time in NZs history where they made apple crates out of this timber 😱

  • @willwetherington
    @willwetherington 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice watch!

  • @andersjansson6705
    @andersjansson6705 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Man that's a lovely beautifully guitar. I wish i owned it!

  • @onevoiceinc
    @onevoiceinc 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Stunning. This would be on my "that's too beautiful to even touch" list.

  • @jeffrix27
    @jeffrix27 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks Amazing I'll take one!

  • @dandrews1
    @dandrews1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Genius!!!!

  • @zztopub40
    @zztopub40 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Craftsmanship at it’s highest standards

  • @scottwarner9543
    @scottwarner9543 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i started playing the guitar after not playing for 8 years now that i seen your video im going to pretend im playing your guitar in this video and see what happens i started playing when i was 7 years old played in heavy metal cover bands and have some vids on youtube thanx for the great video i had no idea you could make a guitar out of 42000 year old wood

  • @MTRDave
    @MTRDave 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Please finish the handtool only build

    • @SickMoover
      @SickMoover 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You aren't thinking like a luthier... Let's start a new build!

  • @shadowstorm1928
    @shadowstorm1928 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ok,if there was ever a guitar I would steal just to play ,this one's it ;)))🎉❤

  • @TheWorstManOnEarth
    @TheWorstManOnEarth 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gutting out a Fender ... to build a new guitar. Probably the COOLEST thing ever !

  • @TuckerCustomShop
    @TuckerCustomShop 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I agree. Any saw made by a Tucker would be terrifying to use.

  • @kremabuwhacha7438
    @kremabuwhacha7438 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You know what ? 52:45 those remind me of the all clear Game Boy , completely unrelated but that's what comes to mind 😂

  • @sturusk3620
    @sturusk3620 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a beautiful guitar and such an engrossing video. Several times I realised I’d stopped breathing. Superglue eh? Is there nothing it can’t do?

  • @latheofheaven1017
    @latheofheaven1017 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's a gorgeous guitar made out of a wood that fought you all the way. Amazing job, Ben. But the action is about 5mm high at the twelfth fret! Have you been able to sort that out?

  • @mattkomprood
    @mattkomprood 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was beautiful! Could you do a video about super glue finishing sometime?

  • @mikajegou7106
    @mikajegou7106 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im the background throughout all the video, there is your cyberpunk guitar and it looks as gorgeous as this one.

  • @NoiseWithBassGuitars
    @NoiseWithBassGuitars 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I loved this edit. No humming and hahing, minimum mugging for the camera and just getting on with the build.

  • @DTGuitarTech
    @DTGuitarTech 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fav build so far. So experimental. Who’d have even thought of flooding with superglue?!?!? What did you do with all of the wood shavings?

  • @MrFudgepump
    @MrFudgepump 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1:32 oh shhhht there's 2 of em! and one of em's a ghost!

  • @toddknight6855
    @toddknight6855 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @crimsoncustomguitars Any chance you have a playing demo going up? Would love to see the end result in its element.

  • @AyanokojiKiyotaka-lh5is
    @AyanokojiKiyotaka-lh5is 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you read this you have any idea which song was playing specifically at the “ SuperGlued - lacquered part of video towards the end ? please sir

  • @Runark79
    @Runark79 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dude!! The tattos on your head! Internal problems?😢. Hope you have a great night❤. Happy new year to ya!!!🙏😎💪

  • @79antigua
    @79antigua 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    attaching your router to a board to hollow out the guitar was brilliant.

  • @JustPlayingBass
    @JustPlayingBass 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bravo Ben, bravo. I've watched every video of this build. And now this preciś.
    Second to non craftsmanship to a world class product.
    My only hope is that you saved the shavings from the build and if you did can I suggest you use that to make some sort of antipodean wind instrument to honour the material. I hope that doesn't sound to zen, the hippy in me would be so happy. Thanks again for all your effort Ben...peace
    Ps did I notice a little chin wobble at the end 🥰

  • @RickMcCargar
    @RickMcCargar 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fender is doing a great job of "rounding" the fretboard edges on their better guitars and even some less expensive models...it dramatically increases grip comfort. Even Epiphone does it. I didn't notice that on this guitar. Did I miss that, or did you forego that for some reason?

  • @Flosch999
    @Flosch999 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Ben, when you "hit" the top and listen to the resulting tone and remove a bit of material from the glued on bars (I'm not sure how the spelled correctly) what are you listen to or want to archieve?

  • @gotd4m
    @gotd4m 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would you have been able to route out the gap in the top and put a nice inlay in?

  • @thenoisesimake
    @thenoisesimake 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As an AUSTRALIAN, I must say the best thing a bout Kiwis is their wood.

  • @AndyCooper761
    @AndyCooper761 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is there somewhere we can hear it being played?

  • @mykehalstead897
    @mykehalstead897 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Woah! check out the disappearing rasp at 41:50

  • @Patbwoy
    @Patbwoy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This Kauri tree certainly didn't die for nothing, some 42000 years ago :)

  • @HalcyonGuitars
    @HalcyonGuitars 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What an interesting way to build a guitar! The joys of a laser….

  • @jakeritchie3805
    @jakeritchie3805 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    God damnit, Ben's my fucking hero!!!

  • @rajawatts1141
    @rajawatts1141 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well done! But...why don't we have a link to hear 42,000 years of a journey to your guitar shop. ? We've traveled through the whole build, and where is the climax? I know when I build guitars, I can barely wait to be completed. Lovemaking is a little like guitar building...we are at the point of no return! Yet here we are, hanging, on the threshold to a dream.

  • @jhnfalls
    @jhnfalls 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why did you set the bridge position without checking intonation?

  • @ianmetcalf3214
    @ianmetcalf3214 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When will we see the SG finished?

  • @vmann-jd5yw
    @vmann-jd5yw 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Glaring omission of pro playing her. You get the comment for the YT algorithm anyway for the great result, even though epoxy guitars are anathema imo.

  • @stevevaughn2040
    @stevevaughn2040 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I feel bad. I am a fan of your videos and an expert at intl licensing for imports and exports. Four years is nuts... unless you were in France, France has issues

  • @AndrewAHayes
    @AndrewAHayes 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ben, When you were inserting the truss rod I saw what I thought to be some pieces of tape, were these to stop the truss rod from rattling?

  • @scottdavidson6066
    @scottdavidson6066 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful guitar. I really can’t believe you didn’t give us a short playing demo, though! Wtf?

  • @TheScubaboy56
    @TheScubaboy56 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Please just finish the hand tools only travel guitar please !!!!

    • @joshuahannelly2128
      @joshuahannelly2128 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This channel has gone from one of the best to one of the most frustrating 😂

    • @CrimsonCustomGuitars
      @CrimsonCustomGuitars  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Definitly in the pipeline to be completed

  • @alphamegaman8847
    @alphamegaman8847 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful Work and Execution!👍🥰
    But PLAY the damn thing Already! 😁
    Mike in San Diego. 🌞🎸🚀🖖

    • @CrimsonCustomGuitars
      @CrimsonCustomGuitars  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Apologies . The guitar is a gift for a gigging musician and we are hoping that we will have something to show him playing it in the future

    • @alphamegaman8847
      @alphamegaman8847 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CrimsonCustomGuitars Thanks for taking the time to let us know what we will hopefully have to look forward to! 👍
      Again, Stellar work!
      How I would enjoy having the resources you have at your disposal!😁
      I miss Creating things. 😕
      30 plus years in R&D Engineering, spanning Aerospace, Medical Device, Automotive and Military fields.
      Built my share of Prototypes in the day, working with Wood, Metal, Plastics, Elastomers, Composites, Optics, Electronics, Pneumatics, Hydraulics and more.
      I'd like to think I could make a decent guitar someday if I have the opportunity.
      Here's hoping! 😁🤞
      Mike in San Diego! 🌞🎸🚀🖖

  • @acciesmad6237
    @acciesmad6237 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Ben.... I was following this but I only got up to when you were taking the electrics out.... don't know what happened.... I love all your stuff 👍😁....are you still looking for guitar's for your museum ?.... I've got a few and wouldn't mind donating one for the cause.... it's a daion savage made in Japan in the 80,s...they only existed for 3 of 4 years so there a wee bit on the rare side.... I think you said you only wanted British guitar's at one point 🤔 I think you would appreciate it 👍

    • @CrimsonCustomGuitars
      @CrimsonCustomGuitars  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for your offer of a guitar. We would love to talk to you about that. Please email office@crimsonguitars.com for the attention of Ben

  • @colinsnyder3082
    @colinsnyder3082 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hold on! Give me that SG you have hanging on the wall!

  • @artthoutimelapse7700
    @artthoutimelapse7700 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can somebody please tell me what the machine is called that ben is using to curve the wood?? Tia

    • @CrimsonCustomGuitars
      @CrimsonCustomGuitars  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bending Iron: luthierssupplies.co.uk/product/bending-iron/

  • @Opeckie
    @Opeckie 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When you got this wood initially I was hoping for a more conservative type instrument that really did the wood justice...and the final product is ABSOLUTELY STUNNING!

  • @lawrencefranck9417
    @lawrencefranck9417 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Seems like you could have cut the body three times and saved the body routed wood for a jr. or travel guitar.

  • @michael_rodgers
    @michael_rodgers 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hey guys. 32,000 years is mad. Can I ask how you had its age verified?
    Keep rocking!!

    • @jimbobjimbob8275
      @jimbobjimbob8275 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Carbon dating most likely

    • @Thetimrobertson
      @Thetimrobertson 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Auckland University does radio carbon dating and offers certification for various commercial uses. I myself have had 2 guitars built from 45,000 year old kauri.

    • @lucemiserlohn
      @lucemiserlohn 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      42000 years - and IIRC it's been carbon dated (C14 carbon dating method, if you want something to google for a rabbit hole to dive into).

    • @michael_rodgers
      @michael_rodgers 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lucemiserlohn thanks.

    • @CrimsonCustomGuitars
      @CrimsonCustomGuitars  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Carbon dating.

  • @Mike-hr6jz
    @Mike-hr6jz 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great job but I don’t know whether I like it or not. There’s something about the way it was. It looks cool and even though this looks cool I guess I’d have to hear how it sounds.

  • @rosejuliette9180
    @rosejuliette9180 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly whilst I'm sure it was a ball ache I am so glad that materials like this are getting protected. Material waste is a massive issue in the world right now and shamefully guitar building has a terrible track record for it too. Remember that behind every regulation there was probably ongoing exploitation and bad business practices that necessitated those regulations.

  • @Defekcija
    @Defekcija 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    sound?

  • @davidbradleybauman7940
    @davidbradleybauman7940 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I want you to finest the beautiful SG guitar.

    • @CrimsonCustomGuitars
      @CrimsonCustomGuitars  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is definitly on the list of guitars to be completed

  • @chiphorton6
    @chiphorton6 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So, are you going to finish the other guitars that have been literally years in the making, or build anything new, or nah?