I like your review but I want to add little more on this update. Don't you think this is a joke when they made 13inch without the touch bar is still 7th gen? and only 13inch with touch bar that a lot of ppl hates comes with 8th gen it looks like to me is a it's just trying to sell the touch bar that ppl don' really want and need would you agree on this? do you think extra dollar is worth that bar? what is your tought on this?
MrMobile [Michael Fisher] Hey Mr. Mobile!. Recently I felt like checking Apple's MacBook Pro 2017 review after Apple announced updated machines for 2018 and my first go was Mr Mobile. But surprisingly there isn't any MacBook reviews. I know you are a final cut pro guy. Any comments?
Every TH-camr is pumped about the 6 core cpu. Everyone. Except for Dave. He is the guy who really knows what he is speaking. That's why he is the best.
qu peter Doesn't matter with liquid metal thermal compound. Did you see the heat sink that is one of the worst I have seen in a performance laptop. It is largely undersized for a 45watt tdp cpu.
bro i wish i saw this bought this stupid thing a couple days ago, its a piece of garbage i have an i5 in mine and the fan pretty much runs nonstop it's like a windturbine absolute trash the macbook air i have is better
No surprise there...even the i7 8850h struggles even in a larger chassis - never mind the i9. pure marketing. Same thing with Dell in their XPS 15 and G7. Glad you are warning people Dave otherwise people will be throwing away their money. What bothers me is that these companies know this and they risk tarnishing their product reputation.
OWNorDisown I'm trying to decide between the dell xps 15 and the new i7 MacBook Pro 15 inch for 3D applications. Will both run into severe throttle issues because of their 6 core processors?
Thank you very much for the video. He is the only the ONLY TH-camR who actually knows what the heck is going on with 2018 macbook instead of comparing the keyboard sound.
Who the fuck even cares about keyboard noise? My 2017 MBP is whisper quiet compared to my mechanical keyboard and even that doesn't bother me in the slightest. In fact the opposite, i love the sound it makes when i type.
He is actually fairly biased. He said "apple make the best built laptops right now" which is 100% wrong. The one person who isn't biased, is Louis Rossmann
Apple's lineup used to make sense for different users. MacBook for affordability, MacBook Air for thinness, MacBook Pro for performance. Now every single model sacrifices performance and affordability for thinness above all else.
I love arguments backed with evidence. This vid is awesome. Basically, Apple is selling something marketed at 2.9 MHz that is actually running below that due to throttling because of poor cooling.
Yeah, i really found this youtuber impressive, i believe he is the only one (except for Linustech) that actually has real love/knowledge in the ICT field. EverythingApplePro noticed that the i9 wasn't as fast as expected, but did nothing about it. His video was "not so fast", then "you can see the benchmark score ... impressive", "it must be because Mojave is optimized for .... ".
It's evidence if and only if he objectively compares other i9 Windows laptops recording their temperature and throttling for comparison. It's not evidence when he compares a i7 with and i9 in an attempt to save face and keep up his poorly timed Apple tirade.
Ive is fine, Cook and his virtue signalling softness needs to go, they got far too comfortable and lazy, no doubt the blue hairs are taking over and less and less of the company is devoted to engineering excellence. The chinese are nipping at their heels, they copy and even surpass features within months now, there is no time left to play at activism and other nonsense, else that Donut headquarters is going to become a mall when they fall.
apple has really let down its core base of customers. the new macbook pro is pretty much unusable for professional work. im not talking processor, im more about compatibility with existing workstations. I had to buy $120 worth of extra gear just to plug in my monitors... wth. now, my mouse wont function due to the relay. also, the computer heats up so much its uncomfortable to touch. not sure how anyone can stay an avid mac fan after this type of experience with their bread and butter.
Wow if it cant even maintain stock speeds that's pretty sad. I feel like everyone would agree with me that if Apple kept the larger last gen chassis, bigger battery, better cooling, and kept the damn SD Card reader it would be the perfect "pro" laptop. Oh well. Thinner is better right? lolz
Don't get me wrong, the products are still great. Flaws and oversights ignored (I mean, my $4K desktop PC isn't without its nightmares). But their engineering team is run by people qualified in Marketing. And unfortunately, it works. But yeah, problems aside, the machines are finally usable for pro work again, albeit somewhat slowly. They're overpriced, but what we're paying extra for is the leather seat premium model of the car we want attributes that just make the experience more pleasing. Unfortunately - that costs money. And being in the creative industry - paying for good design is something I support. As you know when you HAVEN'T paid for good design (use a toshiba laptop, or any windows laptop).
That's only a small segment of the market (and not one that drives continuous profits, college students don't upgrade their macbooks annually/bi-annually), the arguably largest portion is developers for web and iOS. They've recently dropped the ball and basically gave the middle finger to developers recently with the touch bar, keyboard problems, and now making a joke out of pro monicker. If something isn't done soon, I wouldn't be surprised to see a mass exodus from MacOS to Windows or possibly linux (although that is a very questionable possibly, linux just doesn't do the whole "work as expected" as well as MacOS or even Windows.).
I'm not here to start a war. So don't. But the nicest windows laptops I've used have mimicked Apple's designs. And the best performing laptops are designed to look more like racing cars. Which is fine in their own right, it's just not elegant like what happens when you employ actual designers to pioneer things.
The title seems to be quite unfair to XPS, considering how they have exactly the same problem, but in Apple's case it's pointed that configurations with weaker CPU are ok, while for Dell the message sounds like "yeah... don't buy until they fix that" Or maybe I'm just overthinking it
Or a fridge for that matter. iFreeze,branded with an Apple logo,designed to cool down our 5k+ laptop that can be used to warm your cup of coffee. For $599 and 1 year of warranty.2 years for $799.
The ThinkMan that "i" would have to be a special feature though: normal ones are not made for constant cooling, so the isolation might actually keep the heat from getting out at some point...😂 I think LTT tried it once
I feel like Apple will lose it’s professional consumer base sooner than later. The fact they messed up this laptop, the iMac pro and any repair options made me jump ship. Gonna miss Mac OS but I’d rather not pay huge premiums from someone who couldn’t care less about their consumer base.
As a pure geek I like MacOS, the software. As a 3D designer working on videogames and films, the Apple "pro" line up is such a fucking joke. It's been a long long time I use Windows with custom made PC and that's the way to do it Mac is just to watch Netflix theses days
LOL, a mini-fridge with a little compressor probably won't be able to keep up with the BTU demands of the Macbook Pro at full load. Full size fridge may, barely.
Returned my new Macbook Pro after watching this video. My 3 year old Windows laptop out performed this Laptop by nearly 50% .... totally unacceptable. That asked me if I would first talk to a few guys at the desk and they told me there was no way it was throttling and that if it were I could have it replaced. They ran the tests on another brand new 2018 Macbook Pro and it throttled as well. I told them you have to warn potential customers that this is happening. They remained silent.
Because it's got a big chassis with adequate cooling that allows the chip to breathe. If Apple got over being as thin as possible, maybe they'd do the same.
I mean the pros were never meant for gaming. The only thing one could compare it to is the video editing, and rendering times. Also the ssd is pretty god dang fast....However thats like its only redeeming feature and nobody really needs that fast of an ssd except for the most deep pocket professionals.
Although Apple would never admit this, the 2015 Macbook Pro is just a better design, in every way: Magsafe, other useful ports, a better keyboard, a bigger battery and no useless touch bar that almost nobody wants and consumes power. Imagine if they had taken that form factor and, taking advantage of the new CPUs' better power efficiency, had reduced the battery size a little to accommodate a better cooling solution. Just add the true tone screen and you would have a wicked laptop.
I agree, except: better keyboard? Lots of other people praise the new butterfly switches EXCEPT the durability issues, and we gotta see how the new silicone layers do the job. The 2015 model had THICK bezels.. The touch bar I don't really understand the hate since if you press Fn key long enough it will work as normal function keys.
Woohyun Kim if you program a lot and use lots of shortcut key, you have to look down the keyboard to find that key, this problem doesn't exist on old MacBooks
And lots of other people hate it because of the micrometer of travel. It personally hurts my hands to type on for significant periods of time AND it simply is not a good feeling keyboard.
Idk why the remove ports on "Pro" products, like wtf if I spend so much money on something it should be convenient asf!!! I understand if you want to release a low end product you would simply the ports, but in a "pro" line, nahhh
Steve Nagy I have a mid 2014 MacBook that still works great. I do use it for editing on premier so it isn't perfect for that but gets the job done. I don't what I do next time I have to replace my laptop because their new laptops are so bad and not worth it for the price.
Outstanding video - great detail, particularly the CPU throttling and freezer test. Excellent info for those of us that might buy the new MacBook Pro without understanding what actually getting and more importantly, not getting. Thanks for the hard truth, Dave.
This isn't hate. Its the truth. He even said he loves the mac ecosystem etc. Just because some people hate on apple to the nth degree doesn't mean every criticism they get is invalid.
Man! You don’t know you have saved huge amount of hard earned money of lot of people. I don’t understand, how so many other youtubers (e.g. iJust**e) got orgasm from every apple product and don’t tell practical issues. Great job Lee
Yea... to me it's strange considering all the design oversights the Macbook Pros has had recently. Especially with the recent butterfly switch design controversy. It's so weird seeing all these videos in my recommendations of people being excited over the MacBook Pro update but then I think of how Apple handles cooling and now they're putting a fucking i9 in it.
You are not going to like what you find out. With my I7 Laptops I keep them on a cooler at all times, they never throttle. The MacBook doesn't have that option there is no way to cool it down, so pay i9 pricing for i5 processing lol.
The most objective reviewer on youtube for apple products. Rather than talking shits to cover its flaws, he was really on point on every flaws he pointed out.
Apple has become an arrogant marketing company. They don't listen to their customer's. They don't listen to feedback. I wish they made an affordable 15" laptop, at a competitive price and better cooling. Even this mean a bit larger case (like the previous generations for example).
I'd prefer buying a U series processor (although it's a bit slower)bcs i don't wanna risk it. I'm sure its far more cooler than all H and K CPUs. And you'll get a pretty steady clock speed as well. Applies for most ultrabooks I guess
So i9 is a waste of money on the 2018 MBP due to ridiculous thermal throttling issues. Good to know! Another awesome, informative video from Dave Lee! Thanks Dave!
First of all dave is partly wrong because when you use 5k raw footage for Premier Pro which not optimized for Mac and convert it into 4K your Macbook is no doubt going to get eaten
Valentino Aguiar yeah that’s why I said he was PARTLY wrong I said he should have not tested it in Premier Pro since it’s not optimized I agree about the throttling.
Javi Garcia It's not a matter of application you test it with. Everything makes it throttle, even Microsoft Word. You can put a45W TDP CPU in an Ultrabook, even 25W isn't an option
You can exchange it for like 2 weeks after purchase without a restocking fee if you bought it direct...I would do that and just get the same specs with the i7.
Ivy Zhu mine is ahead of my 2015 15” but it’s not doing justice for the specs. I’m now thinking about buying an MSI GS65 with similar specs so the chip is cooled properly.
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Apple products usually don't last longer that 1-2 years if you are actually using them. I have purchased Macbook Pro in 2010 for everyday work. After couple years of usage, it's hard drive started falling apart, battery life degraded, track pad stopped working. By 2014, it became impossible to use and I replaced it with a windows desktop. I tried turning it on recently and it's dead. Same with every iPhone that I have used (I switched to android and it's 100% better). I understand that making a decent laptop is a challenge and I have seen many windows laptops from different tech companies falling apart sooner. But that's not an excuse for making shit product that stops working after 1-2 years of usage.
Since the silicone doesn‘t have any other function than protecting the keys from getting dirt under, I don‘t thinks it will cause any problems. It’s not integral to the functionality or the mechanism and even if it tears, the only thing that would happen is that the keyboard will be more prone to dirt than before. Also noteworthy is that silicone is way more affected by this when it is exposed to uv light, which shouldn‘t be the case under the caps.
Been using Macbook as my primary machine for several years, but since the "Butterflop" keyboard, "Gimmic Bar" and "USB-C" only interface made me a customer they lost for ever. I handled the Matebook X at a Microsoft store and I was blown away by how beautiful and well built the machines is. Considered the Surface a while back but gave it a cold shoulder because the battery and SSD is sealed in and not user serviceable.
Is anyone getting tired of Apple selling half-baked products for an insane amount of money? I’m in the Apple ecosystem and things are getting ridiculous 😒😒😒😒😒😒
What is going to take for you to move? I jumped ship around 4 years ago. Built a Hackintosh, but eventually just moved to Windows, not a great OS, but the build I currently have would probably have cost 100k at Apple going by their pricing. Most pros within my industry are switching now too, Apple products have become fashion accessories and not tools now.
i kind of just go with the flow of things when it comes to platforms / OS. recently was on Win7, then hated 8 and played around on Mac OS for a little under 2 years and have since transitioned back to Win10 and use CentOS 7 for some work stuff. If you are not happy with a product or a platform its ok to bounce around and find the one the fits your needs at the time :)
I am never really a MacBook fan, so I skipped this video. Finally watched it after the big hoo ha. I gotta say Dave, you are a very sincere reviewer and I respect that. I am sure most youtubers won't even dare to do what you did with the latest product from a tech giant. You're the man!
you can't game, premiere runs badly, don't even get me started on Octane rendering lol. The only way a mac can be useful is for traveling. But should you really spent 3k for a traveling computer?
ableton, logic pro, final cut - also the eco system and shit. while its pricey im quite surprised apple has moved real far away from dual core shit, still wont buy it for a whole range of other reasons but there definitely are some use cases.
I now will come to your channel first for reviews. It seems like after you published your video on throttling, every tech youtuber made a follow up video with the exact same thing. Spot on work you know what you are doing.
How the hell the apple engineer or someone that works on apple didn't notice that the laptop can't even run on a normal clock speed? There must be some test right? I'm confused
Ma God your missing the point. THEY KNOW, AND THEY DON'T CARE. They sell the product advertising i9, and people buy it without knowing they can't even use it's full potential.
God I saw her on MKBHD and decided to check her channel and holy shit I could barely watch her for more than a minute she is so annoying and cringy , literally a dumb bimbo reading specs of a paper and acting as if she is actually reviewing the product .
Exactly... I don't understand how iJustine got so many subs. She knows jackshit about tech. She took out her stash of previous generation macbooks to compare the looks and thickness of them for her 2017 review of the MBP. No one at this popularity compares to Dave... he knows his stuff.
Core i9 beast full potential just go WASTED because of thermal throttling. If they couldn't solve thermal issue in Macbook, don't even bother put Core i9 in that thin Macbook form factor.
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Dave where do you get those wallpapers bro!?
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I like your review but I want to add little more on this update. Don't you think this is a joke when they made 13inch without the touch bar is still 7th gen? and only 13inch with touch bar that a lot of ppl hates comes with 8th gen it looks like to me is a it's just trying to sell the touch bar that ppl don' really want and need would you agree on this? do you think extra dollar is worth that bar? what is your tought on this?
Wasted
iFreezer
calling it now
iFreeze
Kable10 iChiller
Apple iFreezer $50000 feturing Premium Design, FreZ OS, All new Procession Body Material, Apple Coolpower Engine, Apple FZ2 Accelerator Chip.
Lmao
"iCool, the laptop cooling solution you've all been waiting for!"
Dave with the FACTS
Except the price. He got that wrong.
Over $4000 for a laptop with poor keyboard and throttling *GALORE* ? And High Sierra is full of bugs and problems too. omg what a pos!
No facts. Wrong software (Adobe Premiere Pro).
Jakob Mikl the benchmarks are on the screen between the i7 and i9. What's not factual about that?
But... Apple fanboy hates facts
Definitely cooled me off on the prospect of picking one of these up. Thanks for the perspective dude.
MrMobile [Michael Fisher] Hey Mr. Mobile!. Recently I felt like checking Apple's MacBook Pro 2017 review after Apple announced updated machines for 2018 and my first go was Mr Mobile. But surprisingly there isn't any MacBook reviews. I know you are a final cut pro guy. Any comments?
Mr. Mobile cameo!!! (insert fan screams)
MrMobile [Michael Fisher] cooled me off...
I see what you did there
Pun intended?
biocybernaut iJustine wouldn't care even if it burnt her house down. She'd still go buy another one.
These laptops are meant for researchers in the Antarctic and Arctic regions, not anywhere else
These laptops are not meant for research at all :D
ranischchristopher r/wooooosh
Kappa Ninja woooosh has 4 o’s
These laptops are meant to squezee people's wallets
If they are then they must be the reason the ice caps are melting so fast.
Awesome Video!
JerryRigEverything Hey Jerry, you here.
Bend the MacBook!
Hey Jerry, Can we get a video about the Xiaomi Mi 8 Explorer Edition? Teardown and durability test? Please :)
Hey zack love ur channel,keep it up 47
Yeah, mostly because he is the only one talking about the thermals of the laptop, unlike everyone that just focuses on the "new stuff"
Savage but honest! Great warning to potential buyers! 👍
I hope those potential buyers do see this before falling at that price tag....
Dave 2d is by FARRRR the Best laptop reviewer on this platform
Oluwaseyi Jimoh so true. MKBHD used to be so good but he fell.
Dave and Lisa Garde
He is. Dave seems already rich enough not to rely on ad profits nor sponsorship. So, his reviews are unbiased.
And he's the most honest and reliable youtuber EVER
togolilbro I think he mentioned something about biomedical engineering or something before
Unbox therapy would have made 15 min video for the same. Dave Lee is straight and on point 🤘
Every TH-camr is pumped about the 6 core cpu. Everyone. Except for Dave. He is the guy who really knows what he is speaking. That's why he is the best.
Hreeshikesh Dutta Totally agree! Dave is far more objective then the rest. 👍
Hreeshikesh Dutta agree
Apple used to make you wait before they slowed down your device.
Now they're just throttling out-of-the-box.
WickedRibbon its a new feature! 😂
lmao
That’s funny lol
i guess you have to use liquor metal in order to use a i9 macbook pro now or your cpu throttling will be crazy
qu peter Doesn't matter with liquid metal thermal compound. Did you see the heat sink that is one of the worst I have seen in a performance laptop. It is largely undersized for a 45watt tdp cpu.
Thats it. MBP 2018 target audience is for Iceland and Antarctica!!
az zahar you mean Greenland and Antarctica right?
It would be a climate hazard. The sea levels would rise drastically in a few weeks.
Jason, yeh its so weird how greenland is so cold, while iceland is fully of greenery- its as if they were both meant to have each others names
az zahar You mean also Finland, Canada and Russia
Macbook can't be used here in Greenland tho😂 its summer now😃
Thanks for saving me 3000$
Mah man
5000?
Just buy ifreezer and also ifan,apple style😎
Mr.Wobbles no 4K no touch screen, not enough hard drive space and memory for a good price
bro i wish i saw this bought this stupid thing a couple days ago, its a piece of garbage i have an i5 in mine and the fan pretty much runs nonstop it's like a windturbine absolute trash the macbook air i have is better
No surprise there...even the i7 8850h struggles even in a larger chassis - never mind the i9. pure marketing. Same thing with Dell in their XPS 15 and G7. Glad you are warning people Dave otherwise people will be throwing away their money. What bothers me is that these companies know this and they risk tarnishing their product reputation.
It might be pressure from Intel? Who knows :/ i9 laptops are definitely hard to cool
Yes, perhaps. You even see the i9 MSI GT75 and Asus G703 with two power supplies..lol. Thanks for replying Dave, I know you are busy !
Dave Lee What about i7 on these macbooks 15 ? Throttle also or not ?
OWNorDisown I'm trying to decide between the dell xps 15 and the new i7 MacBook Pro 15 inch for 3D applications. Will both run into severe throttle issues because of their 6 core processors?
ImJasonForever I would say Yes, you always need to render something if you wanna create something with a 3D program.
Apple: "Hey we secretly tried to fix the keyboard....but now we broke the CPU."
Apple consumer: *Throws money*
I'm not bored anymore because I read this comment. Thank you.
This video went viral!
Savvy Dude its normal review nothing special, you stupid sheeple who makes it viral as usual.
True bro. They tried to went viral because of some unbalanced review of this macbook which is totally true.
Savvy Dude take paracetamol tablet then
Siddharth Gautam chutiya spotted
It's like buying a Lamborghini and only being able to go to over 100MPH for a few seconds then you're stuck at 65MPH the rest of the time.
Actually, considering speed limits, that's EXACTLY what it's like to buy a Lamborghini lmfao
Good analogy. And then there's the krappy keyboard. Kind of like Lambo with defective brakes or steering wheel.
Stop making clickbait videos.
And that’s why I don’t buy Lamborghini :)
So like a Tesla?
Thank you very much for the video. He is the only the ONLY TH-camR who actually knows what the heck is going on with 2018 macbook instead of comparing the keyboard sound.
Roger Sings LOL, sarcasm on ijustin.
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Who the fuck even cares about keyboard noise? My 2017 MBP is whisper quiet compared to my mechanical keyboard and even that doesn't bother me in the slightest.
In fact the opposite, i love the sound it makes when i type.
lol ijusting only cares about thinness and how good the damn piece of crap looks
traso Fuck that bitch she's doesn't know anything.
TheMusketITuckedIt *she
They could throw in a freezer with that price tag and problem solved 😜
Hey supersaf love ur channel,congrats on 1 million
SuperSaf TV hahahahha
SuperSaf TV need haha reaction in yt too
Apple should use a chiller like intel did with their binned xeon, this should run macos properly
SuperSaf TV if only the same can be done with the top speced iMac pro
The heatwave many are experiencing are due to all the new Macbook Pro users using them.
and I thought the Pentium D contributed to global warming!
Agreed
I like how honest you are about Apple products and tech in general. If there is one youtuber that is not biased, it's you.
He is actually fairly biased. He said "apple make the best built laptops right now" which is 100% wrong. The one person who isn't biased, is Louis Rossmann
@TDS maybe you don't fully understand what best bult means
TDS someone doesnt understand what best built implies
SeriousFun rossmann
Maybe apple should offer a free freezer with i9 :P
MrExpert pay $1000 more
It will need a dongle too
Stephen Piro good luck with you next month electric bill..
Introducing... the iFreeze
They will sell freezer separately ...
You just didn't buy un-throttling subscription option. It costs only 250$/month.
250 rubles?
Likewise the new iWork Keyboard option that doesn't go wrong as long as you keep paying.
Time to purchase a freezer for the office... Another great video man 👍😃
Apple Fanboys actually will do that hahahahauaua
Laptop cooler man
One more thing, the iChill. We think you’re gonna love it.
Freezer only works initially. But then it is getting warmer and warmer.
Apple's lineup used to make sense for different users. MacBook for affordability, MacBook Air for thinness, MacBook Pro for performance.
Now every single model sacrifices performance and affordability for thinness above all else.
Apple was steve Jobs, no SJ no apple.
Ammar Khan i keep saying this shit
I agree except for the affordability part. Macs were never affordable, just less expensive than the rest of the line up at best
I know, it was great
Affordability lol.
Dave, I salute you for having the guts to put a Macbook in the freezer.
Mustafa Ahmed either not use the laptop or risk it, which one do you choose
Fiery_Eagle sell it
What's wrong with putting a macbook in a freezer?
Poot your dumb ?
waquzy it takes too long to be written
You know it's a serious video when his intro is not part of it anymore..
Steeephen Without intro was way more better.
People dont mind dongles, why would they mind freezers /s
Frag Akuma Lol. Nice one
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Shettt... Gudddd onee broooo
I love arguments backed with evidence. This vid is awesome. Basically, Apple is selling something marketed at 2.9 MHz that is actually running below that due to throttling because of poor cooling.
Yeah, i really found this youtuber impressive, i believe he is the only one (except for Linustech) that actually has real love/knowledge in the ICT field. EverythingApplePro noticed that the i9 wasn't as fast as expected, but did nothing about it. His video was "not so fast", then "you can see the benchmark score ... impressive", "it must be because Mojave is optimized for .... ".
Jules A I wish apple pro did repeated tests, I wonder if that would begin showing the thermal throttling in the geekbench scores
It's evidence if and only if he objectively compares other i9 Windows laptops recording their temperature and throttling for comparison. It's not evidence when he compares a i7 with and i9 in an attempt to save face and keep up his poorly timed Apple tirade.
AllGoodThingsNetwork. Its GHz not MHz
With that type of cooling system, I wouldn't be surprised if it was running at 2.9 mhz instead of 2.9 ghz. XD
Honestly, Dave is probably the only youtuber I kmow that actually knows what hes talking about.
Ken Mendoza do you agree that mkbhd only care about video quality and apple product ?
Ken Mendoza facebook.com/Coding-Lk-921819828003797/
Yeah and one of the few who knows how to be interesting and doesn't need to shout all the time. I love his reviews !
You should research more then
Linus knows his shit too
apple will never admit the cooling system for the processor isn't sufficient.
*checks wallet*
I can't even afford to watch this
93k salary and I can't afford it still.
*checks wallet*
Um nothing
Checks... where is my wallet
*checks pocket* wheres my wallet?
Doesn't even have a job 🤔
Thumbs up for literally putting the MBP in a freezer to prove that this laptop has thermal issues!
I'm an avid mac fan, but I appreciate this video. Hopefully this will drive Apple to do better next time around!
This is legit.
Apple needs to do better.
we need jobs back
Ive is fine, Cook and his virtue signalling softness needs to go, they got far too comfortable and lazy, no doubt the blue hairs are taking over and less and less of the company is devoted to engineering excellence. The chinese are nipping at their heels, they copy and even surpass features within months now, there is no time left to play at activism and other nonsense, else that Donut headquarters is going to become a mall when they fall.
Get a better taste dogen.
apple has really let down its core base of customers. the new macbook pro is pretty much unusable for professional work. im not talking processor, im more about compatibility with existing workstations. I had to buy $120 worth of extra gear just to plug in my monitors... wth. now, my mouse wont function due to the relay. also, the computer heats up so much its uncomfortable to touch. not sure how anyone can stay an avid mac fan after this type of experience with their bread and butter.
Wow if it cant even maintain stock speeds that's pretty sad. I feel like everyone would agree with me that if Apple kept the larger last gen chassis, bigger battery, better cooling, and kept the damn SD Card reader it would be the perfect "pro" laptop. Oh well. Thinner is better right? lolz
I disagree... I wouldn't buy a laptop that thick and heavy again... People want thin.
I want a device that performs the functions I want it to. I could get you a piece of cardboard and write "Laptop" on it if thinness is so important.
Eric Matthews lol wasn’t even that much thicker or heavy.
because you know, cosmetics is soo much important than raw performance lol
Apple traded almost everything to a
Apple had to have known their macbook fans couldnt cool the i9 enough. This is a scam and its disappointing from a brand like apple
This 'scam' has been their business model for 12 years.
Don't get me wrong, the products are still great. Flaws and oversights ignored (I mean, my $4K desktop PC isn't without its nightmares). But their engineering team is run by people qualified in Marketing. And unfortunately, it works.
But yeah, problems aside, the machines are finally usable for pro work again, albeit somewhat slowly. They're overpriced, but what we're paying extra for is the leather seat premium model of the car we want attributes that just make the experience more pleasing. Unfortunately - that costs money. And being in the creative industry - paying for good design is something I support. As you know when you HAVEN'T paid for good design (use a toshiba laptop, or any windows laptop).
That's only a small segment of the market (and not one that drives continuous profits, college students don't upgrade their macbooks annually/bi-annually), the arguably largest portion is developers for web and iOS. They've recently dropped the ball and basically gave the middle finger to developers recently with the touch bar, keyboard problems, and now making a joke out of pro monicker. If something isn't done soon, I wouldn't be surprised to see a mass exodus from MacOS to Windows or possibly linux (although that is a very questionable possibly, linux just doesn't do the whole "work as expected" as well as MacOS or even Windows.).
Any windows laptop? Do you even think how many laptops you just said are badly designed?
I'm not here to start a war. So don't.
But the nicest windows laptops I've used have mimicked Apple's designs. And the best performing laptops are designed to look more like racing cars. Which is fine in their own right, it's just not elegant like what happens when you employ actual designers to pioneer things.
MacBook PROblem? ;)
PROvocative ;)
More like MacBook PROstate because this product performs like arse
PRObably :)
The title seems to be quite unfair to XPS, considering how they have exactly the same problem, but in Apple's case it's pointed that configurations with weaker CPU are ok, while for Dell the message sounds like "yeah... don't buy until they fix that"
Or maybe I'm just overthinking it
Mac cook problem
Who cares about performance anyway, we bought it for Emoji Bar
Hemanth Saji hahaha, that's right 🤣
BUT DAVE YOU DIDN'T BUY THE OPTIONAL FREEZER DONGLE DUH
Paul Karyakos """optional""
LOL MACBOOK IN A FREEZER
you don't already do that? damn...
This should become a meme 🤣
We need a meme of a i9 macbook stealing ppls money and the cops telling it to freeze!
the length Dave would do for us.. that's why I'm on the notify squad.
Andrei Catangay literally
Apple will address this issue as- "You're using it in the wrong environment. It was specifically designed to run incredibly fast on the moon".
No air on the moon, the mbp will die much quicker.
Deep Nest That's not apple's fault. You should've bought the optional $349 liquified nitrogen coolant upgrade :(
Or a fridge for that matter.
iFreeze,branded with an Apple logo,designed to cool down our 5k+ laptop that can be used to warm your cup of coffee.
For $599 and 1 year of warranty.2 years for $799.
The ThinkMan that "i" would have to be a special feature though: normal ones are not made for constant cooling, so the isolation might actually keep the heat from getting out at some point...😂 I think LTT tried it once
No they made it for scientists at Antarctica. They also have fun.
I paid apple to build it like this because I start selling stylish heat sinks on Amazon
Do I need an adapter for that?
Savage😂
Most Macbook Pro users wont even recognize the throttle because they use their macbook pro in a coffee shop to check instagram
Kyle Coffman i hope not on your MacBook Pro 😂
Buys 6000$ macbook; Only uses it for social networking.
You forgot about using Final Cut Pro to edit a 30 second video of their cat.
Yeah sure, only Software engineers, developers, designers, content creators, professional music creators and more use Macbooks pros, fuck me right?
haha this....
Probably about time I break one of these open and put some liquid metal inside, eh? 😉
please do
YEAH SNAZZY !!!
make sure its the i9 version too i wanna see if there will actually be a significant improvement
Trust me not gonna change a lot
Just do it already!
I feel like Apple will lose it’s professional consumer base sooner than later. The fact they messed up this laptop, the iMac pro and any repair options made me jump ship. Gonna miss Mac OS but I’d rather not pay huge premiums from someone who couldn’t care less about their consumer base.
you ever think of making a hackintosh?
Do a hackintosh of a Razer blade or XPS. I know a lot of Mac fans have been eyeing the Matebook X as well.
As much as I like mac os I need windows for school anyways so im stuck with it. I might hackintosh in the future but for now im ok with windows 10
As a pure geek I like MacOS, the software.
As a 3D designer working on videogames and films, the Apple "pro" line up is such a fucking joke. It's been a long long time I use Windows with custom made PC and that's the way to do it
Mac is just to watch Netflix theses days
Who came after watching unbox therapy video😂
Paras Rana yeahh..thats me..😂😂
Me three lol
😂😂
I'm here lol
i'm also in the list
I believe the new MacBook pro now comes with a mini fridge.
The mini iFridge will cost another $2000 and be incompatible with everything except Apple products. (sorry, no proprietary stuff like food or beer)
LOL, a mini-fridge with a little compressor probably won't be able to keep up with the BTU demands of the Macbook Pro at full load. Full size fridge may, barely.
Mhel Mabayo sold separately
I heard it’s sold separately
...Apple recently released a note on the new MBP, throttling is caused by users using their laptops wrong :-P
The only Mac I can afford is a big Mac
ihop > icore
duck
Hardcore > ¡core
for me its Mac n Cheese..
🤣😂
at least get it right my dude
this comment made my day. thank you.
Good thing I live with penguins so I don't have to deal with overheating
Veridian good luck lol...
Linus OS logo
Good thing my laptop has thermal jets so overheating isn't a problem
Veridian made me laugh, thanks!
Ok Mr. Popper
You are all over internet. You are awesome honest straight forward reviewer. Unlike the paid biased TH-camrs. Good job mate!
Returned my new Macbook Pro after watching this video. My 3 year old Windows laptop out performed this Laptop by nearly 50% .... totally unacceptable. That asked me if I would first talk to a few guys at the desk and they told me there was no way it was throttling and that if it were I could have it replaced. They ran the tests on another brand new 2018 Macbook Pro and it throttled as well. I told them you have to warn potential customers that this is happening. They remained silent.
Yea changed my mind
Because it's got a big chassis with adequate cooling that allows the chip to breathe. If Apple got over being as thin as possible, maybe they'd do the same.
@Nightowl358 Indeed, though we know where they draw the line between looks and performance.
I bought one the day it released. I too am considering returning it due to the throttling. Not that it doesn't run fast but it feels deceptive.
I mean the pros were never meant for gaming. The only thing one could compare it to is the video editing, and rendering times. Also the ssd is pretty god dang fast....However thats like its only redeeming feature and nobody really needs that fast of an ssd except for the most deep pocket professionals.
Although Apple would never admit this, the 2015 Macbook Pro is just a better design, in every way: Magsafe, other useful ports, a better keyboard, a bigger battery and no useless touch bar that almost nobody wants and consumes power. Imagine if they had taken that form factor and, taking advantage of the new CPUs' better power efficiency, had reduced the battery size a little to accommodate a better cooling solution. Just add the true tone screen and you would have a wicked laptop.
I agree, except:
better keyboard? Lots of other people praise the new butterfly switches EXCEPT the durability issues, and we gotta see how the new silicone layers do the job.
The 2015 model had THICK bezels..
The touch bar I don't really understand the hate since if you press Fn key long enough it will work as normal function keys.
Woohyun Kim if you program a lot and use lots of shortcut key, you have to look down the keyboard to find that key, this problem doesn't exist on old MacBooks
And lots of other people hate it because of the micrometer of travel. It personally hurts my hands to type on for significant periods of time AND it simply is not a good feeling keyboard.
Idk why the remove ports on "Pro" products, like wtf if I spend so much money on something it should be convenient asf!!! I understand if you want to release a low end product you would simply the ports, but in a "pro" line, nahhh
Steve Nagy I have a mid 2014 MacBook that still works great. I do use it for editing on premier so it isn't perfect for that but gets the job done. I don't what I do next time I have to replace my laptop because their new laptops are so bad and not worth it for the price.
Outstanding video - great detail, particularly the CPU throttling and freezer test. Excellent info for those of us that might buy the new MacBook Pro without understanding what actually getting and more importantly, not getting. Thanks for the hard truth, Dave.
That’s a pretty expensive Facebook machine
You cant afford it
That's what rossman says.
@@rodolfotsang4327 you can't afford it? Pricing useless trash expensively doesn't make it better. Get out of that loser mentality.
@@Steel0079 you cant afford it
@@rodolfotsang4327 thanks for your input, I expect nothing different from a sheep.
Atleast someone has the balls to speak the truth
Logmemoi TV Someone ? Where have you been to not see the gigantic wave of hate Apple receives on this website ?!
This isn't hate. Its the truth. He even said he loves the mac ecosystem etc. Just because some people hate on apple to the nth degree doesn't mean every criticism they get is invalid.
Watch Louis Rossman,he is a technician which repairs macs. He really speaks the truth
And the truth has spoken to the balls 😆
Man! You don’t know you have saved huge amount of hard earned money of lot of people. I don’t understand, how so many other youtubers (e.g. iJust**e) got orgasm from every apple product and don’t tell practical issues. Great job Lee
Yea... to me it's strange considering all the design oversights the Macbook Pros has had recently. Especially with the recent butterfly switch design controversy. It's so weird seeing all these videos in my recommendations of people being excited over the MacBook Pro update but then I think of how Apple handles cooling and now they're putting a fucking i9 in it.
I hate iJustine. She never says anything if there is a problem with an apple product.
+surfing - yeah I do agree, I had only watch one of her youtube video review to know that she is either a braindead or a cannot be trusted individual.
CG Crazy bbooomm !
Justine is a woman. Instantly dont regard her tech "knowledge" always has been a dumbass
Great video. Thermal testing is exactly the first thing I will do on this Mac.
...yes, very curious if others have experienced the same issue.
You are not going to like what you find out. With my I7 Laptops I keep them on a cooler at all times, they never throttle. The MacBook doesn't have that option there is no way to cool it down, so pay i9 pricing for i5 processing lol.
The most objective reviewer on youtube for apple products. Rather than talking shits to cover its flaws, he was really on point on every flaws he pointed out.
Apple has become an arrogant marketing company.
They don't listen to their customer's.
They don't listen to feedback.
I wish they made an affordable 15" laptop, at a competitive price and better cooling.
Even this mean a bit larger case (like the previous generations for example).
Is this comment from 1995?
Back then they have Jobs. Now they have gofuckyourself attitude.
Thanks for this review. I will stick with i7
I'd prefer buying a U series processor (although it's a bit slower)bcs i don't wanna risk it. I'm sure its far more cooler than all H and K CPUs. And you'll get a pretty steady clock speed as well. Applies for most ultrabooks I guess
I think i5 is the max, which this Chassis can handle to full potential.
Saw many people sharing their cancelled orders of new 15" MacBook on Twitter.
Wonder who set the 🔥!!
Anish Somawar the thermal throttling i9!
Not just i9
This is literally so perfect and well put Dave... Just an absolute perfect description
So i9 is a waste of money on the 2018 MBP due to ridiculous thermal throttling issues. Good to know!
Another awesome, informative video from Dave Lee! Thanks Dave!
DaPuma they should legit use a mobile processor for their laptop's cooling solution, it's that bad.
halloeller you dont like it cuz your stuck with ur i3 from 2013
All Apple laptops throttle like crazy. They'd rather their computers stay quiet than stay cool
No! MPBs are waste of money due to ridiculous thermal throttling issues.... blah blah
You just saved me from a fatal purchase
He just delayed it. If you were dumb enough to buy this, you will end up buying something as dumb or even dumber in the future.
dabas32 on the contrary- I read reviews like this one which are outstanding
dabas32 lmao
Finally someone with the guts to tell the truth. Subscribed!
The video that shook the entire laptop industry and TH-camrs based on that ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
That's AWESOMEEEEEEEEEE
Really Apple? Can’t even stabilize and maintain the BASE clock? What a joke. What a very expensive joke.
First of all dave is partly wrong because when you use 5k raw footage for Premier Pro which not optimized for Mac and convert it into 4K your Macbook is no doubt going to get eaten
Javi Garcia that's not the point. No matter the scenario this will overheat.
Valentino Aguiar yeah that’s why I said he was PARTLY wrong I said he should have not tested it in Premier Pro since it’s not optimized I agree about the throttling.
Javi Garcia It's not a matter of application you test it with. Everything makes it throttle, even Microsoft Word. You can put a45W TDP CPU in an Ultrabook, even 25W isn't an option
Valentino Aguiar also any Laptop with an i9 is no doubt going to get throttled
Wow this video is going all over the news
Wow now Dave just destroyed Apple, for me somehow I agree with him
Mahmood Muhenned you somehow agree? You should completely agree with how this MacBook is!
Mahmood Muhenned do you know a guy named Louis Rossman?
Mahmood Muhenned destroyed apple but still said that he will buy it 😂
Apple destroyed itself, not dave...
This is not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing with him. It’s a fact. Like roses r red, violets r blue, and apple is shit.
This....this IS the video that put you on the map. Watch your subscription sky rock from here.
*FreezerBook Pro 2018*
Dustbin Saves you made by Dell/MSI/ASUS/ACER/HP/LENOVO/RANDOM CHINESE BRAND
eivis13 Nope, this one surely has an APPLE logo
A quantun leap.. back
Typical krApple garbage: defective and comically overpriced.
You realize quantum means small, right?
The 2018 macbook has slower render speed than the 2017 version? Face palm....I regret buying the i9 version
You can exchange it for like 2 weeks after purchase without a restocking fee if you bought it direct...I would do that and just get the same specs with the i7.
Can it be fix by MacOS?
No. It cannot be fixed. Physical limits - the CPU needs a different cooling solution and a bigger chassis to house it.
Ivy Zhu mine is ahead of my 2015 15” but it’s not doing justice for the specs. I’m now thinking about buying an MSI GS65 with similar specs so the chip is cooled properly.
SDR DarkHeart Then what are you going to do with your 2015 15 inch? Sell it?
Dave, don't stress. We need more creators like you.
Those creators exist but they often get overshadowed by the biased and lying channels that simply want money.
This is the reason I like your videos. You're not biased like other youtubers are towards Apple. Honest and to the point. Thank you for your reviews.
Finally someone with brains and guts telling it like it is....
Apple = cheap made rubbish with overpriced marketing for name like always everything is only made for isheeps that dont know what they are buying
Latest deal at Apple
Trade your kidney for a toaster
you mean... iToaster? xD
Bastards..... they don’t even have a toaster >(
Sethei I see a man of culture
Lelouch Yagami Is it a 2 or 4 slice toaster?
It is a meticulously crafted new generation half slice toaster with the astounding ability to make a toast that satisfies all your needs. At Potato Inc, we know that the best just isn't enough. So this modern masterpiece that can hardly be called a toaster can toast either half of your bread at a time, allowing you complete freedom of choice and everyone is happy.
Will the keyboard = MacBook Pro still work in 5 years ? (silicone tends to change shape, deform, shrink, and tear after some time )
Apple products usually don't last longer that 1-2 years if you are actually using them. I have purchased Macbook Pro in 2010 for everyday work. After couple years of usage, it's hard drive started falling apart, battery life degraded, track pad stopped working. By 2014, it became impossible to use and I replaced it with a windows desktop. I tried turning it on recently and it's dead. Same with every iPhone that I have used (I switched to android and it's 100% better).
I understand that making a decent laptop is a challenge and I have seen many windows laptops from different tech companies falling apart sooner. But that's not an excuse for making shit product that stops working after 1-2 years of usage.
i'm still using an iphone 4 and a late 2013 mbp tho
Still using my early 2013 macbook 15" specs out ;)
Since the silicone doesn‘t have any other function than protecting the keys from getting dirt under, I don‘t thinks it will cause any problems. It’s not integral to the functionality or the mechanism and even if it tears, the only thing that would happen is that the keyboard will be more prone to dirt than before.
Also noteworthy is that silicone is way more affected by this when it is exposed to uv light, which shouldn‘t be the case under the caps.
Problem is in you !!! People use Mac's for more than 5 years without any problem except HDD that must be replaced in 2,5 - 5 years (depend on usage).
Dave: outdated cpu...
Apple: *hold my beer*
Dave after Apple releases it: *No you*
Fire Koala_963 lol 😂
What are you talking about.. That's a feature to heat your Starbucks coffee
But Starbucks coffee is already hot as it is, this is for the occasional omelett.
lmfao
Burn. Lol
Also a way to prevent MacBook battery dying in low temperature.
Love this guy’s video... unlike other youtuber they just said everything is good
Been using Macbook as my primary machine for several years, but since the "Butterflop" keyboard, "Gimmic Bar" and "USB-C" only interface made me a customer they lost for ever. I handled the Matebook X at a Microsoft store and I was blown away by how beautiful and well built the machines is. Considered the Surface a while back but gave it a cold shoulder because the battery and SSD is sealed in and not user serviceable.
Is anyone getting tired of Apple selling half-baked products for an insane amount of money?
I’m in the Apple ecosystem and things are getting ridiculous 😒😒😒😒😒😒
Elly Valentini yeah, their build quality is really going down with both the software and hardware systems (and at such a high cost).
What is going to take for you to move? I jumped ship around 4 years ago. Built a Hackintosh, but eventually just moved to Windows, not a great OS, but the build I currently have would probably have cost 100k at Apple going by their pricing. Most pros within my industry are switching now too, Apple products have become fashion accessories and not tools now.
Well get out of that ecosystem then you mug.
i kind of just go with the flow of things when it comes to platforms / OS. recently was on Win7, then hated 8 and played around on Mac OS for a little under 2 years and have since transitioned back to Win10 and use CentOS 7 for some work stuff. If you are not happy with a product or a platform its ok to bounce around and find the one the fits your needs at the time :)
their build quality was never good.
Can you recommend a good freezer
Radders123 Samsung fridge.
Wait for apple to release the iFreezer
And what should I use to cool that off.
Annesh Prasobhan Put the freezer inside another freezer!
iChiller Cumming Soon
Wait for the iCooler ... Yours for only $399
more like $3,999.
dongle not included
oystein18 lmaoo
😂😂😂😂
iInvigorator....iCooler is no complicated enough to be a apple product
I am never really a MacBook fan, so I skipped this video. Finally watched it after the big hoo ha. I gotta say Dave, you are a very sincere reviewer and I respect that. I am sure most youtubers won't even dare to do what you did with the latest product from a tech giant. You're the man!
3k facebook machine because you know you not gonna render on that thing lol
Music for Meditation most accurate description so far
And porn,.. but have a box off tissues ready because of keypad issues....
you can't game, premiere runs badly, don't even get me started on Octane rendering lol. The only way a mac can be useful is for traveling. But should you really spent 3k for a traveling computer?
You don’t like facebook because your life is boring and pathetic and you’re jealous of good looking Chads and Stacies.
ableton, logic pro, final cut - also the eco system and shit. while its pricey im quite surprised apple has moved real far away from dual core shit, still wont buy it for a whole range of other reasons but there definitely are some use cases.
When you were about to go to bed but Dave Lee uploads a new video.....
ShadowBears exactly!
Dave "throttle" Lee they call him
I now will come to your channel first for reviews. It seems like after you published your video on throttling, every tech youtuber made a follow up video with the exact same thing. Spot on work you know what you are doing.
I totally LOVE your content. You reviews are just pure truth. Keep it up bro.
Apple will soon put it as a feature that it Can cook your Ramen noodles.......
Or boil your water.Albeit a bit slow.
mohammad fasih you'll be eating a lot of them after you buy it
How the hell the apple engineer or someone that works on apple didn't notice that the laptop can't even run on a normal clock speed? There must be some test right? I'm confused
Ma God your missing the point. THEY KNOW, AND THEY DON'T CARE. They sell the product advertising i9, and people buy it without knowing they can't even use it's full potential.
Really loved the quality of this video. First one I saw of yours. Keep it up
Now Apple will also start selling Refrigerator.
iRefridgerator*
No, that won’t do. The iFreezer seems like a better plan to me. They can also charge more money for the extra cooling needed.
that was their plan all along!
Bet it'll run on iOS.
Nah just ice boxes they market it as a throwback
Hey iJustine didn't show up in this video, that's kind of refreshing...
she's so freaking cringe. how do ppl watch her fangirl over apple shit
God I saw her on MKBHD and decided to check her channel and holy shit I could barely watch her for more than a minute she is so annoying and cringy , literally a dumb bimbo reading specs of a paper and acting as if she is actually reviewing the product .
I don't really mind her when she isn't over-reacting but she's been popping up on all the tech channels recently. Cross-promo is a win-win
The only reason she is still relevant is because she is blonde. Tbh she is not even that hot
Exactly... I don't understand how iJustine got so many subs. She knows jackshit about tech. She took out her stash of previous generation macbooks to compare the looks and thickness of them for her 2017 review of the MBP. No one at this popularity compares to Dave... he knows his stuff.
I love getting amazing i3 performance for $4000.
p vdb *$6700
$6999.. apple love number '9' for pricing
you might not have the same amount of views and subscribers like other channels, atleast you dish out truths and facts... Goodjob 👍
Core i9 beast full potential just go WASTED because of thermal throttling. If they couldn't solve thermal issue in Macbook, don't even bother put Core i9 in that thin Macbook form factor.
As long as there are still millions of people keep on buying their stuff no matter what they put out, so why would Apple bother ?
Then how can they make their product more expensive you dummy?
because they had to make the Macbook Pro THINNER.
yeah it looks like they put in the i9 as an option so they could charge more
Finlay McEwan its for fooling basic bitches, if a normal person wanted a laptop they would do a bit of research