@@disnoise I'll try it with the Helix Revv G4 and my real HM2!! Thanks for the trick! love it when people share things that make them happy and can help others.
The main guitar tones on Sepultura - Roots were achieved with a modified Big Muff (added tube gain stage) by Indigo Ranch Studios owner Richard Kaplan (RIP). Add a bit more presence and/or treble to those guitar tones and you get something quite similar to what you hear in this video. Fuzz tone that chugs. Love it.
6505+/rhythm channel/bright/crunch/fairly high preamp setting---------OD pedal up front with level around 10 o'clock gain at 2:30 and tone at 2o'clock. With everything engaged, i get that sort of distortion that is just about to fall off the rails but still has clarity. It is thick but not overly muddy for faster riffs and has loads of harmonics.
Hello Kristian great question time ! Fuzz pedals should be first pedal after the guitar and before the wha wha ! They're allergic to buffers, but works well with EQs and noise gates ! I brown my tone with Krush OD, then into Marshall JMP-1 (tube preamp) ! This is the way I walk to have a fast response and defined tone, than I split the sound sending the signal to power amp and mic cab, in parallel the speaker simulator output to the desk and effects send to the racks to triamplify all !
Have you heard END? It‘s Will Putney‘s band where he also plays live (with members from different well known metalcore bands). There he has a really nice aggressive, heavy tone. He uses a Way Huge Swollen Pickle (muff type) into a 6505+ but he uses the fuzz to get kind of an HM-2 chainsaw tone. Then he adds a low octave for the chugga chugga and it sounds SUPER heavy. And they play in Drop C!
Very HM-2-ish sounds - which confirms my suspicion that the HM-2 is actually a fuzz pedal on steroids. The split setup certainly gives you more options then the HM-2 alone, without losing any br00tality. I personally liked the sounds with the Big Muff and the Behringer pedal best. Great video, as always - keep 'em coming!
The HM2 also has the EQ knobs tuned to very specific frequencies which is why it gets the "characteristic sound" only when they're maxed out. Varying said frequencies completely destroys the chainsaw effect
Maybe also try a Proco Rat pedal, I really dig it as a raw sounding boost with lots of character. The Boss JB2 might also be a intersting pedal as you can do a parallel blend of OD and distortion.
i can also recommend using a 'range-master' type treble booster before a lower gain fuzz. it can really break through the muddyness while still being harsh and aggressive!
I have a boss ls-2 line selector that works pretty well for mixing pedals. A big muff mixed with a boss sd-1 was pretty interesting. I also like to run a hm-2 in one loop and leave the other loop empty to use as a clean blend. Definitely recommend for anyone who wants to experiment around.
Think I liked the cheap 'n nasty Behringer the best, loved the bite that it had. Bender came in last for me, too mid/boxy driven for my taste. Another great vid, driving home that it's important to experiment w/your guitar tone!
I have a Line 6 HX Stomp patch where I blend a Hyperfuzz on mode 2 with a ProCo Rat. I wasn't using it for modern metal, but rather really slow stoner/doom/drone. I wanted a cross between the Electric Wizard Dopethrone tone and the huge thick low end of SunnO))). In the A/B in this video, I actually preferred the Tone Bender! Don't really like the sound on its own, but the midrange really popped out of the mix.
I have done this a few times. :D ...Turned into Stoner/Doom/Sludge at my old age. I don't gig anymore, so I use only pedals and IR's to record. A Palmer ss-power-amp if I need to jam with guys. Or just PA-speakers, active. I too split the signal, the first usually to Neunaber Neuron as the "Metal" and the other channel usually has a treblebooster into a fuzz into a Matamp-style preamp-pedal. BUT I have not found a way to join them into mono again, so I record it stereo, or put the otherone into a poweramp-cab and the other into a PA-speaker. Oddly enough, the fuzz-channel sometimes needs a buffer somewhere, but it might have actually been a phase issue. Must check. Cheers!
My Hail Satan Fuzz has a 50% dry wet blend on it and I use that to hit the front end of the blue channel of my 5153. Huge, monstrous sound that could do doom or death metal handily.
Sounds just great man, this is exactly the devilish science we need! I'm definately gonna try this in the digital, once I get my Neural DSP Quad Cortex.
I was wondering if a bitcrusher was used on the savage and disgusting tone on Ho99o9’s Death Kult It’s most likely multiple super cheap fuzzes and distortions but the crunch of the tone sounds very bitcrushed so even if they didn’t use one it might work to get that tone
You should have tried the Behringer and the Fuzzface without the Tubescreamer on. Fuzzfaces really like to be first in the chain, and the Hyper Fuzz that the Behringer is a clone of , was based on the Fuzface
Also, if you're double tracking rhythm guitar, try one extremely tight amp with smooth distortion (like a Randall Diavlo 100) on one side and one that has a very rough distortion (like an ENGL Thunder 50) on the other side. The combination is great!
Same idea ...but on a budget: Boss Lineselector performs an A+B mix function, has built in volume/pre so you can blend really easy I have used this splitting (but with 2 different distortions) before to record. You can go DI through a single pre or into the front of single amp
Thats so funny that this popped in my feed. I just got a new tube head and i have an hx effects ao ive been experimenting with different tones of gain stacking a lot lately using the 4 cable method and some creative signal routing and ive got great results lately from blending overdrives, distortions, and fuzzes. It seems like you're getting the same results, the tightness and brutality of a great metal tone, and The shining personality of the fuzz coming through at the same time. It just gives such good character to your tone
No experience with doing this in a live setting, but for recording, I generally just record a separate track with the fuzz and blend it with the center "normal" track.
Duude! when it was the Behringer's turn, i was like "here we go!". After the first "holy sh!t" reaction i couldn't stop laughing and smiling. Maybe, because i have that pedal. But all the "shitty" reactions made my time watching this video. Keep coming back to this one. Also, imo, the rev+behringer and the rev+muff, were the best tones. And also the final mixes for this video are some of the best that you have done for YT!
I have been for awhile just hitting the front end of my Black Arts Pharohoh with my favorite Tubescreamer at the time and going straight in the the front end of my amp. Its been my go to thing for awhile. Key is that a little goes a long way.
The "common wisdom" about the fuzzface is that it needs to be connected straight to a guitar with passive pickups to do its thing. Well... The thing most people like it for. It will load down the pickup (impedance mismatch) in a way that actually sounds better with the gain and distortion/fuzz it makes. And controlling it with your guitars volume knob is a big part of it too. And again... That only works well straight to the guitar with passive pickups. The sounds it is known for when used that way are quite far from modern fast metal though. Just for your information though... There's nothing wrong in experimenting. I loved the SF300 combination, but then again, I like fuzzy and nasty. :)
That’s absolutely the key to a great Fuzz Face sound. There’s the MXR Classic 108 with a dedicated switchable buffer that might do the trick in environments like these.
I do that. But I do it differently. I run a Marshall DSL 100 watt and an Orange Crush 120 side by side. The Marshall takes the fuzz pedal (Catalinbred Giygas) The Crush is just normal gain. These go through separate speakers and volumes are adjusted to be equal. Mids mostly out. EQ to mix the sound. Kinda like how Jay Yuenger did his Mesas and Randall amps.
I hate fuzz pedals XD but man, that blending technique is mind-blowing. The Big Muff + Revv is the best combination to my ears but I'm impressed by the behringer, as you said it sounds shitty but it's incredible the sound you can have blending in the Revv! Great video Kohle!!!
Really nice. Big Muff is my favourite, but its my all time fav fuzz anyway. Maybe i would try to put a delay pedal after the fuzz. A slightly flashback of the fuzz on the tight sound of the rev would be great for lead tones.
Just reamp it twice one for each configuration, have a submix/buss and increase the level of each send to blend it. For pure plugins, duplicate your DI track, setup your inserts on each one for fuzz one for distortion, send to a submix/buss like above
Great video as awaited :-) 14:40 is a super oldschool death metal guitar tone. Reminded something like Banished - Deliver Me Unto Pain, my fav metal video, by the way.
Fuck yeah! This is exactly what I do! I blend a Diezel VH-4 PREAMP PEDAL with the preamp of my Marshall JVM 410H using a parallel mixer pedal, back into the power amp of the JVM 410 out to a single 4x12. It gives me that huge Adam Jones type of tone in a much smaller and less expensive setup. BUT I can and often do run a fuzz into the Marshall on a clean channel and CRANK the VH4's overdrive channel pushing both with a boost. Absolutely massive sounding. 10/10 highly recommend. What I haven't tried is alternatly putting a fuzz in front of the VH4 pedal, and cranking the Marshall 🤔 Think I'll try that today! Thanks for the sharing this technique with your audience. Metal tones need soul again. All be it an evil one 🤘😉. Cheers!
The intro song could easily have Svencho growling away on top of all these riffs. It's got an Aborted vibe to it for sure. Also, that nasty tone w/ the Boss pedal would work nicely on an upcoming Benighted record, don't you think? It's the kind of disgusting tone that fits their music perfectly.
This is exactly what I’m doing with a boss ls2, A channel my Mesa roadster (or any other amp) and in B channel black arts tone works pharaoh, and a precision drive before the boss
I do a wet dry rig like this ,soldano and is wet using overdrive channel into a 4x12 with V30s and eminence legend 75 watters the dry rig is a jcm 900 clean channel with a hint of breakup and running a earthbound Audio Supercollider muff into a 4x12 loaded with EV 12L and eminence governor's, I use a radial engineering ABY box with this setup
i do use fuzz for my distortion.. but i put my blues driver first full gain then the full gain fuzz.. and i love it.. especially im using hamer california with emg active 81-85 pickups sets... and im playing blackened thrash metal...
ssssssh ... stop revealing all the secrets ! I have been using an ocd and russian big muff in parallel and its a killer sound for bass distortion. This kind of setup would be nice for d-beat or crust tone where you don't wanna have the most "clean/tight" distortion but sth nasty instead. Also, instead of messing with an amp's fx loop *which is not always running in parrallel* a Boss LS-2 can do the same job. Ok wanna have another cool tone ? Go gtr-> TS-> chorus and distortion in parallel . Instant atmospheric black metal !
@@michanowak7060 If it is an issue you will immediately tell , because the combination of two pedals will drop the volume by a great extent. However, the good thing is that when parallely mixing you can experiment with so many pedals and don't have to be particularly picky. In other words , if polarity is an issue , use another pedal.
This demo had some great sound! When I listened to the comparison at the end, I liked the final result with the JHS fuzz best, due to the artifacts/character on the high mids, and how they interacted with the bass guitar. I dug the mix with the JHS Bender the best in this group. Always great to learn from the masters, and this thorough comparison test was great fun! Thanks for the video.
So I had to write this comment even though I had first watched this video around the time it came out 2 months ago. I was so impressed with the tones you nailed, particularly in how you nailed a tone that was so damn nasty yet detailed enough to be well defined, it inspired me to replicate your setup and modify it for my own taste in tone as I wanted a more traditional "polished" high gain sound; one signal goes into my 1x12 combo Traynor Custom Special 50 and the other signal goes into my Tech 21 US Steel Sansamp, which then hits the return of the Traynor's effects loop. Now I had only gotten the Traynor tube amp in January of this year and it was my first tube amp as before I was using another variant of Tech21's Sansamp that was DI'd into a powered speaker. So since then I had gotten to learn how to use the amp and I had figured that the clean channel could do a clean fender or clean Marshall tone, but the distortion channel had a lot of mids similar to a medium gain channel of a Mesa Boogie mark series. And when I had watched this video, I confirmed that my Traynor amp had a parallel effects loop and I immediately ordered the US Steel Sansamp as it was based off of Higher Gain mesa boogies, such as dual rectifiers, and I assumed it would match up with the dirty channel of my Traynor amp. And because I had learned well from watching this video, I ended up nailing the best high gain guitar tone that I had ever gotten out of my current rig or any of my previous rigs! It does not sound anything like this video as we went in polar opposite directions of tone, but the setup remains the same as yours. I even run not one, but two boosters; a tube screamer clone that goes into a TC electronic spark boost that's setup on the mid frequency setting with cuts to bass and treble. I also can set this up for some of the best clean tones you will ever hear. I can have my sansamp set up for a tone thats dry and just on the edge of breakup, and I can hit the traynor's preamp with a wet signal full of modulation and delay effects while retaining my dry tone on the sansamp. This replicates the much desired Wet/Dry rig without the need of a second amplifier. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and wisdom to the rest of us! You've for sure gained a lifetime subscriber in me
Interesting. I wonder if this would work the other way around. I mean like, the fuzz going into the fx return while using the amp’s distortion. I didn’t buy an ENGL for the clean channel 😂
What do I do if I like pretty much every type of angry sound there is? Fuzz pedals, overdrive pedals (like the Tube Screamer), distortion pedals, and amp distortion boosted and upboosted. Kristian, wonderful video!
Amazing tone! I've been eyeballing a Big Muff modification that includes a blend knob, I wonder if I could get similar results if I just run a distortion into that pedal with the blend half-way.
I used to run my Bass VI into a DOD Bass Grunge, the clean output going into a Danelectro Black Licorice Beyond Metal, and both signals going into a JHS Summing Amp before going into my Randall.
I also thought of that before. I think Paradise Lost did something like that on "Medusa"... really heavy broken up sound. Perfect for Doomy slow Riffing... Or like the Hesse say "Is gut für Unnarum" ;)
That was just a Guess from listening. The overall sound is really something different and refreshing. So bonebraeking dirty and dark. I forgot how small the World is nowadays :) Yeah i'm really interested in that Info.
A year late to the video, but I have the Boss SY-300 guitar synth, and I actually created a stereo guitar patch that on the left side is a hyper fuzz and the right side is a lead distortion. Both are 70/30 panned and share 2 EQ patches to cover overall tone shaping. Sounds very much like a fuzzy BFG Division/Cyberhex sound with the lead side giving chugging
Thank you Kristian for the question ! It depends on gears, if I'm tube ready, or transistors (solid state technology), digital or software (plug ins), anyway I always crank up the gain on my Krush OD, then into Marshall JMP-1 (tube preamp) than I play the game in every metal contest ! 🍻🍻🍻 👑👑👑🎸🎸🎸🔥🔥🔥
On my bass, I've been running an EHX Bass Soul Food with the drive cranked all the way up. The tone, volume and blend at noon. It goes into into a Bass Big Muff, tone all the way down and drive at about 10 o'clock and the dry switch on to keep the clean sound underneath it all. Totally brutal but clear.
I happened upon the combination of modern distortion and fuzz as a makeshift approach to getting that dirty sound you described in your last video. This video is wonderful addition and very helpful! Thank you!
Love these experiments! Please keep going! I have a non-metal amp, the Laney GH30R-112 combo, its definitely more voiced towards Blues Rock and some hard rock tones, but I've been having great nasty monstrous results mixing fuzz and distortion pedals! Maybe get some non metal amps and experiment with pedals to see what you can get. Cheers!
Hi Khole! This sounds amazing! It's always a pleasure to watch your videos and learn from them. With that said, if you had to do this with only vst's in a Daw how would you do it? How would the chain look like?
In a DAW you are even more flexible. Just try t emulate my setup. Two tracks with different distortion plugins or preamps going into an IR. Or going into a virtual power amp and an IR
I ended up getting a Cusack Music Screamer Fuzz which blends overdrive and fuzz. But, I also push it with the Maxon OD808. I use my clean ch on my amps. I get crazy overtones.
Awesome video man! That’s a killer method for developing new heavy guitar tones! Thanks so much for sharing! Here’s some other cheap dirt pedals for blending that work for me: EHX Flatiron Fuzz (Warmer Rat Distortion) Behringer HM300 (Boss HM-2 Clone) ProCo Rat 2 Tone City Matcha Cream (EHX Green Russian Muff Clone, this is the most focused muff model I’ve played, I also own the Triangle and Ram’s Head). I personally think these 3 models are the best sounding muffs, I like them all more than the standard muff models I’ve played. Since these pedals sound better boosted, here’s a couple of cheap tube screamer models too: Behringer TO100 (TS9 Clone) Behringer TO800 (TS808 Clone) I think you’re a killer producer & engineer man! Keep up the great content!
Thenks for the demonstration. Ich wish my Joyo Meteor had a mix knob for the return signal. I'd try a SF300 in front and a Ground FX - Burning Sunn into the return.
Loving your Videos. it´s so much fun seeing you doing and loving the shit you do and learning a lot on the way. Makes me wanna instantly grab my Fuzz pedals and start going.
I've kind of been doing this in Slabdragger since we started, I figured I'd treat my Sovtek Muff as a valve amp and stick a Tube Screamer into it. Hey presto! Precise chugs with filthy fuzz and feedback on tap!
I ADORE fuzz..!!! One must be very strategic in it's usage however. I got the Vox Tonebender sound down, with added disco phaser... for CRAZY solos! haha bless you man. Only just found your channel; instant sub! Stay healthy out there
All you need is them pedals you got there. Stacking is the way to go but you took it a step further into bad ass territory. Such a versatile rig you got in this video. I'd love to have that revv
When I had an Engl powerball (60 watt) it hated putting distortion pedals near it. Instant tone clash, yet when I ran Rams head clone pedal (fuzz) it worked perfectly. No idea why.
this is one of my favorites of yours. wow. the knob on the back of a rectifier by the effects loop says level not mix… would that be an issue with this setup?
I use a God City Instruments Jugdenstil for a similar effect. It lets you sort of sweep across a preset HM-2 EQ, and then adjust how much of it is let into the signal. Super thick fuzz and I can dial in maybe 20% grind to make it nice and ugly. Has a sub octave switch that is mild enough to go barely be noticed but you can feel the extra depth. Boost it with a TS and it gets nice and palm mute-y.
been doing this for a while, though a little differently. it yields a pretty mental sound at the end of the day and its to use a passive splitter into a dual channel dual input amp. recently recorded my band which is pretty much straight up death metal and all the rhythm tracks were done using my model T running both inputs. the normal input was dimed with the siclone on it the second was the bright channel also dimed with a tube screamer and ds 1 in front. can be fickle to balance out but it was the first time trying a model T for death metal and i gotta say im leaning on it for rhythm tracking these days. not just this method either.
I think I have watched this video 5 times start-to-finish since last Saturday. I'm thinking of using a particular Morley ABY with blend dials for the same approach. Also, I took this and your Revv G4 review as permission to purchase a G4 again. I had returned my first one to fund an amp purchase and always missed that shiny red devil. Keep doing what you do, -Joel
@@KohleAudioKult You don't happen to have a diagram beyond the image on screen, do you? I'm over here planning for my splitter/blender arrival and I've hit a potential snag. Feel free to email me if that allows image sharing. JoelCSabo@gmail.com
I play industrial Metal. I love my Behringer Super Fuzz, but always had an issue with with the sound in Fuzz 2. I did try it to clean up the sound with the the OD as an EQ. It does sound a little better and more clean. It doesn't sound constipated.
As a doom/prog/noise guy, I can confirm I have been doing this for years.
Love the stuff man
preffer rat but you right
Nice! me as well, I use a Boss LS-2 to blend Fuzz and distortion pedals. I bought a Revv G4 and the blend with an HM-2 is killer!
The Revv distortion and the HM-2 blend is basically Glenn's pedal, The Mauler. Nice stuff
@@disnoise hell yeah
@@disnoise I'll try it with the Helix Revv G4 and my real HM2!! Thanks for the trick! love it when people share things that make them happy and can help others.
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I have the HM-2, and I just can't find a setting where it sounds good. Any recommendations?
The Big Muff and Behringer pedals sounded so cool paired with the Revv. Great stuff, Kohle!
I'm running a TS9 into a Beringer HD300 into a Big Muff, into a Orange amp and speaker and sounds awesome
Best Behringer pedal is the SF300 superfuzz change my mind lol
The main guitar tones on Sepultura - Roots were achieved with a modified Big Muff (added tube gain stage) by Indigo Ranch Studios owner Richard Kaplan (RIP). Add a bit more presence and/or treble to those guitar tones and you get something quite similar to what you hear in this video. Fuzz tone that chugs. Love it.
Follow me to the Dark side of Distortion! What are you guys doing to sound dirty?
It sounds amazing!!!
Thank you for sharing this olistic approach to guitar distortion.
Kind Regards from Costa Rica !
Cranking every knob on my Orange
6505+/rhythm channel/bright/crunch/fairly high preamp setting---------OD pedal up front with level around 10 o'clock gain at 2:30 and tone at 2o'clock. With everything engaged, i get that sort of distortion that is just about to fall off the rails but still has clarity. It is thick but not overly muddy for faster riffs and has loads of harmonics.
Hello Kristian great question time ! Fuzz pedals should be first pedal after the guitar and before the wha wha ! They're allergic to buffers, but works well with EQs and noise gates ! I brown my tone with Krush OD, then into Marshall JMP-1 (tube preamp) ! This is the way I walk to have a fast response and defined tone, than I split the sound sending the signal to power amp and mic cab, in parallel the speaker simulator output to the desk and effects send to the racks to triamplify all !
Any kind of HM-2 like pedal or the Audiority Heavy Pedal VST! Such great fun to play with.
Have you heard END? It‘s Will Putney‘s band where he also plays live (with members from different well known metalcore bands). There he has a really nice aggressive, heavy tone. He uses a Way Huge Swollen Pickle (muff type) into a 6505+ but he uses the fuzz to get kind of an HM-2 chainsaw tone. Then he adds a low octave for the chugga chugga and it sounds SUPER heavy. And they play in Drop C!
Was wondering about how he got that tone! I love END
When you add the TS to the Big Muff, it sounds like an HM2!
The HM-2 tone stack is based on a Big Muff.
watching how you blend basic metal tone with HM2 on the Aborted session, i start blending mine with RAT when the genre calls.
Very HM-2-ish sounds - which confirms my suspicion that the HM-2 is actually a fuzz pedal on steroids. The split setup certainly gives you more options then the HM-2 alone, without losing any br00tality. I personally liked the sounds with the Big Muff and the Behringer pedal best.
Great video, as always - keep 'em coming!
Indeed. The HM2 is somewhere in between dist and fuzz.
HM-2 is definitely a fuzz pedal. Sounds like a big muff tailored for metal sounds, with like a more dynamic EQ section.
The HM2 also has the EQ knobs tuned to very specific frequencies which is why it gets the "characteristic sound" only when they're maxed out. Varying said frequencies completely destroys the chainsaw effect
I actually used my hm2 into a vtm 120 as a fuzz pedal when i played in a doom band.
Maybe also try a Proco Rat pedal, I really dig it as a raw sounding boost with lots of character. The Boss JB2 might also be a intersting pedal as you can do a parallel blend of OD and distortion.
Got two Rats here. Need to try them again once I find some time!
@@KohleAudioKult protip: try it with the distortion at 0 and 100
I run a rat after my muff and it's super nasty. It just gives the muff a real nice bite.
Rat is the best pedal
The Katzenkonig is a Rat/Tone Tonebender hybrid. Makes me think that will sound really well for a metal sound.
That big muff combo is incredible! All of these tones are unique, and seem like they have solid applications. Killer video!
i can also recommend using a 'range-master' type treble booster before a lower gain fuzz. it can really break through the muddyness while still being harsh and aggressive!
Treble Boosters and Tube Screamers go very well with Big Muffs, brings back the mids and highs.
I have a boss ls-2 line selector that works pretty well for mixing pedals. A big muff mixed with a boss sd-1 was pretty interesting. I also like to run a hm-2 in one loop and leave the other loop empty to use as a clean blend. Definitely recommend for anyone who wants to experiment around.
thanks for being our crazy german metal scientist, we appreciate it!!
Holy shit that was great.
And the best part is... is that i have all of these fuzz pedals bahaha
Time for some fun on my day off!
Think I liked the cheap 'n nasty Behringer the best, loved the bite that it had. Bender came in last for me, too mid/boxy driven for my taste. Another great vid, driving home that it's important to experiment w/your guitar tone!
I have a Line 6 HX Stomp patch where I blend a Hyperfuzz on mode 2 with a ProCo Rat. I wasn't using it for modern metal, but rather really slow stoner/doom/drone. I wanted a cross between the Electric Wizard Dopethrone tone and the huge thick low end of SunnO))).
In the A/B in this video, I actually preferred the Tone Bender! Don't really like the sound on its own, but the midrange really popped out of the mix.
Killer idea!! Your vids are top notch!!
I have done this a few times. :D ...Turned into Stoner/Doom/Sludge at my old age. I don't gig anymore, so I use only pedals and IR's to record. A Palmer ss-power-amp if I need to jam with guys. Or just PA-speakers, active. I too split the signal, the first usually to Neunaber Neuron as the "Metal" and the other channel usually has a treblebooster into a fuzz into a Matamp-style preamp-pedal. BUT I have not found a way to join them into mono again, so I record it stereo, or put the otherone into a poweramp-cab and the other into a PA-speaker. Oddly enough, the fuzz-channel sometimes needs a buffer somewhere, but it might have actually been a phase issue. Must check. Cheers!
My Hail Satan Fuzz has a 50% dry wet blend on it and I use that to hit the front end of the blue channel of my 5153. Huge, monstrous sound that could do doom or death metal handily.
Sounds just great man, this is exactly the devilish science we need!
I'm definately gonna try this in the digital, once I get my Neural DSP Quad Cortex.
I use an EHX Metal Muff with top boost and a Pro Co Rat 2 in parallel using an EHX Tri Parallel Mixer. I have never heard such a good tone in my life
The way Kohle mimics his guitar sound with his voice is some kind of art and hilarious. Also toneblender is a cool name
Fender Blender exists
Now play it on an old solid state Randall and it’ll sound like Crowbar. Sick.
You have to try a bit crusher pedal. You can get extremely nasty tones with them.
Good idea. That might be fun!
I was wondering if a bitcrusher was used on the savage and disgusting tone on Ho99o9’s Death Kult
It’s most likely multiple super cheap fuzzes and distortions but the crunch of the tone sounds very bitcrushed so even if they didn’t use one it might work to get that tone
You should have tried the Behringer and the Fuzzface without the Tubescreamer on. Fuzzfaces really like to be first in the chain, and the Hyper Fuzz that the Behringer is a clone of , was based on the Fuzface
I was just gonna point out the same thing. After other pedals they tend to sound thinner and more gainy/aggressive, which may be an overkill.
Also, if you're double tracking rhythm guitar, try one extremely tight amp with smooth distortion (like a Randall Diavlo 100) on one side and one that has a very rough distortion (like an ENGL Thunder 50) on the other side. The combination is great!
Same idea ...but on a budget:
Boss Lineselector performs an A+B mix function, has built in volume/pre so you can blend really easy
I have used this splitting (but with 2 different distortions) before to record. You can go DI through a single pre or into the front of single amp
The plasma distortion. Enough fukken said!!!
Thats so funny that this popped in my feed. I just got a new tube head and i have an hx effects ao ive been experimenting with different tones of gain stacking a lot lately using the 4 cable method and some creative signal routing and ive got great results lately from blending overdrives, distortions, and fuzzes. It seems like you're getting the same results, the tightness and brutality of a great metal tone, and The shining personality of the fuzz coming through at the same time. It just gives such good character to your tone
No experience with doing this in a live setting, but for recording, I generally just record a separate track with the fuzz and blend it with the center "normal" track.
Duude! when it was the Behringer's turn, i was like "here we go!". After the first "holy sh!t" reaction i couldn't stop laughing and smiling. Maybe, because i have that pedal. But all the "shitty" reactions made my time watching this video. Keep coming back to this one. Also, imo, the rev+behringer and the rev+muff, were the best tones. And also the final mixes for this video are some of the best that you have done for YT!
That moment at 11:39 when Kohle realised that it sounds "Black Metal"..... priceless
Kinda makes sense when you consider that a lot of early black metal is basically noise rock with extra use of minor chords.
I ordered a EHX green Russian big muff this weekend and a dual splitter to try this. You inspired me, my dude!
That was the idea. Do something crazy and have a good time! 🤘
If you don’t have a parallel fx loop inside your amp, check out the keymaster from pigtronix.
I have been for awhile just hitting the front end of my Black Arts Pharohoh with my favorite Tubescreamer at the time and going straight in the the front end of my amp. Its been my go to thing for awhile. Key is that a little goes a long way.
The "common wisdom" about the fuzzface is that it needs to be connected straight to a guitar with passive pickups to do its thing. Well... The thing most people like it for. It will load down the pickup (impedance mismatch) in a way that actually sounds better with the gain and distortion/fuzz it makes. And controlling it with your guitars volume knob is a big part of it too. And again... That only works well straight to the guitar with passive pickups. The sounds it is known for when used that way are quite far from modern fast metal though.
Just for your information though... There's nothing wrong in experimenting. I loved the SF300 combination, but then again, I like fuzzy and nasty. :)
That’s absolutely the key to a great Fuzz Face sound.
There’s the MXR Classic 108 with a dedicated switchable buffer that might do the trick in environments like these.
I do that. But I do it differently.
I run a Marshall DSL 100 watt and an Orange Crush 120 side by side. The Marshall takes the fuzz pedal (Catalinbred Giygas) The Crush is just normal gain. These go through separate speakers and volumes are adjusted to be equal. Mids mostly out. EQ to mix the sound. Kinda like how Jay Yuenger did his Mesas and Randall amps.
I hate fuzz pedals XD but man, that blending technique is mind-blowing. The Big Muff + Revv is the best combination to my ears but I'm impressed by the behringer, as you said it sounds shitty but it's incredible the sound you can have blending in the Revv! Great video Kohle!!!
Really nice. Big Muff is my favourite, but its my all time fav fuzz anyway. Maybe i would try to put a delay pedal after the fuzz. A slightly flashback of the fuzz on the tight sound of the rev would be great for lead tones.
How about making a video showcasing how to do this with an interface and some pedals? :D
You mean with plugins instead of real amps?
@@KohleAudioKult yeah, but some real pedals or vst effects, would be really cool
Just reamp it twice one for each configuration, have a submix/buss and increase the level of each send to blend it. For pure plugins, duplicate your DI track, setup your inserts on each one for fuzz one for distortion, send to a submix/buss like above
Great video as awaited :-)
14:40 is a super oldschool death metal guitar tone. Reminded something like Banished - Deliver Me Unto Pain, my fav metal video, by the way.
Fuck yeah! This is exactly what I do! I blend a Diezel VH-4 PREAMP PEDAL with the preamp of my Marshall JVM 410H using a parallel mixer pedal, back into the power amp of the JVM 410 out to a single 4x12. It gives me that huge Adam Jones type of tone in a much smaller and less expensive setup. BUT I can and often do run a fuzz into the Marshall on a clean channel and CRANK the VH4's overdrive channel pushing both with a boost. Absolutely massive sounding. 10/10 highly recommend. What I haven't tried is alternatly putting a fuzz in front of the VH4 pedal, and cranking the Marshall 🤔 Think I'll try that today! Thanks for the sharing this technique with your audience. Metal tones need soul again. All be it an evil one 🤘😉. Cheers!
Smart solution! 👌
Which mixer pedal do you use?
Have you tried to use the par.loop of the jvm instead of a mix pedal?
Great demo. I was doing this sort of thing by reamping a clean signal two separate times. I'll have to try this method
Awesome tones! I think I liked the Behringer blend the most. So nasty.
13:20 not sure why but I'm getting a Converge vibe from that sound
The intro song could easily have Svencho growling away on top of all these riffs. It's got an Aborted vibe to it for sure. Also, that nasty tone w/ the Boss pedal would work nicely on an upcoming Benighted record, don't you think? It's the kind of disgusting tone that fits their music perfectly.
Double yes! ❤️🍺
This is exactly what I’m doing with a boss ls2, A channel my Mesa roadster (or any other amp) and in B channel black arts tone works pharaoh, and a precision drive before the boss
This is definitely a very "at the gates" feeling tone for sure!
I thought the same! In fact I already felt it with the Revv alone.
I do a wet dry rig like this ,soldano and is wet using overdrive channel into a 4x12 with V30s and eminence legend 75 watters the dry rig is a jcm 900 clean channel with a hint of breakup and running a earthbound Audio Supercollider muff into a 4x12 loaded with EV 12L and eminence governor's, I use a radial engineering ABY box with this setup
Fuzz is pretty common in stoner metal. I've been thinking fuzz could be in extreme metal for years!
I'll bet a distortion with a blend knob could achieve a similar effect in series.
i do use fuzz for my distortion.. but i put my blues driver first full gain then the full gain fuzz.. and i love it.. especially im using hamer california with emg active 81-85 pickups sets... and im playing blackened thrash metal...
ssssssh ... stop revealing all the secrets ! I have been using an ocd and russian big muff in parallel and its a killer sound for bass distortion. This kind of setup would be nice for d-beat or crust tone where you don't wanna have the most "clean/tight" distortion but sth nasty instead.
Also, instead of messing with an amp's fx loop *which is not always running in parrallel* a Boss LS-2 can do the same job.
Ok wanna have another cool tone ? Go gtr-> TS-> chorus and distortion in parallel . Instant atmospheric black metal !
Very good point about the parallel FX Loop. Do you put the LS-2 on the FX loop or in front of the amp?
@@O5krUrrutia in front
LS-2 doesn't have polarity switch, how big issue can it be? Or is it just bender problem and I shouldn't care about it too much?
@@michanowak7060 If it is an issue you will immediately tell , because the combination of two pedals will drop the volume by a great extent. However, the good thing is that when parallely mixing you can experiment with so many pedals and don't have to be particularly picky. In other words , if polarity is an issue , use another pedal.
@@diskovolos I guess 'buy more pedals' is always an answer, thanks :p
This demo had some great sound! When I listened to the comparison at the end, I liked the final result with the JHS fuzz best, due to the artifacts/character on the high mids, and how they interacted with the bass guitar. I dug the mix with the JHS Bender the best in this group.
Always great to learn from the masters, and this thorough comparison test was great fun! Thanks for the video.
If Hagrid saw this video, he'd say: "You're a wizard, Kohle."
Making fuzz sound good, holy shit!
Please, have my like.
❤️🍺
Tube screamer into a big muff is a great set up. That used to be my live tone. Always sounded awesome. That sound turns heads for sure.
17:01 Behringer+G4 = made in hell marriage
So I had to write this comment even though I had first watched this video around the time it came out 2 months ago.
I was so impressed with the tones you nailed, particularly in how you nailed a tone that was so damn nasty yet detailed enough to be well defined, it inspired me to replicate your setup and modify it for my own taste in tone as I wanted a more traditional "polished" high gain sound; one signal goes into my 1x12 combo Traynor Custom Special 50 and the other signal goes into my Tech 21 US Steel Sansamp, which then hits the return of the Traynor's effects loop.
Now I had only gotten the Traynor tube amp in January of this year and it was my first tube amp as before I was using another variant of Tech21's Sansamp that was DI'd into a powered speaker. So since then I had gotten to learn how to use the amp and I had figured that the clean channel could do a clean fender or clean Marshall tone, but the distortion channel had a lot of mids similar to a medium gain channel of a Mesa Boogie mark series. And when I had watched this video, I confirmed that my Traynor amp had a parallel effects loop and I immediately ordered the US Steel Sansamp as it was based off of Higher Gain mesa boogies, such as dual rectifiers, and I assumed it would match up with the dirty channel of my Traynor amp.
And because I had learned well from watching this video, I ended up nailing the best high gain guitar tone that I had ever gotten out of my current rig or any of my previous rigs! It does not sound anything like this video as we went in polar opposite directions of tone, but the setup remains the same as yours. I even run not one, but two boosters; a tube screamer clone that goes into a TC electronic spark boost that's setup on the mid frequency setting with cuts to bass and treble.
I also can set this up for some of the best clean tones you will ever hear. I can have my sansamp set up for a tone thats dry and just on the edge of breakup, and I can hit the traynor's preamp with a wet signal full of modulation and delay effects while retaining my dry tone on the sansamp. This replicates the much desired Wet/Dry rig without the need of a second amplifier.
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and wisdom to the rest of us! You've for sure gained a lifetime subscriber in me
Heyho! That's a wonderful story. Makes me happy that I could inspire you to come up with something awesome and unique!
Amazing as always :-)
Interesting. I wonder if this would work the other way around. I mean like, the fuzz going into the fx return while using the amp’s distortion. I didn’t buy an ENGL for the clean channel 😂
I used the fuzz in the fx return of a delay (in the amp fx return) for lead
I’m wondering the same with my VH4!
To me, the most evil sounding of them all was the Behringer.
OMFG the head with a mix knob on the fx loop is genius! actually allows to blend in another preamp!
It's so sad to live in Brasil, I need to be rich to have any of this stuff.
What do I do if I like pretty much every type of angry sound there is? Fuzz pedals, overdrive pedals (like the Tube Screamer), distortion pedals, and amp distortion boosted and upboosted. Kristian, wonderful video!
Plays the most hyped pedal of all time "this sounds REALLY SHITTY"
Hypes are shitty too 🤪
Th more I watch the more I actually really like every single sound you've pulled out of those pedals.brutal.
I always put a K or TS circuits before fuzz to tighten it up. Works great 🎛
Amazing tone! I've been eyeballing a Big Muff modification that includes a blend knob, I wonder if I could get similar results if I just run a distortion into that pedal with the blend half-way.
Beautiful! I know what I'm doing later tonight.
BE-OD and a Mountainking Megalith (or the BAT Pharaoh) are gonna be brutal.
What If you dont have a parallel effects loop?
The distortion of the Wampler Triple Wreck has contour (fuzz) switch in his booster. I use with his distortion.
I used to run my Bass VI into a DOD Bass Grunge, the clean output going into a Danelectro Black Licorice Beyond Metal, and both signals going into a JHS Summing Amp before going into my Randall.
I also thought of that before. I think Paradise Lost did something like that on "Medusa"... really heavy broken up sound.
Perfect for Doomy slow Riffing... Or like the Hesse say "Is gut für Unnarum" ;)
I'll ask Aaron about that!
That was just a Guess from listening.
The overall sound is really something different and refreshing. So bonebraeking dirty and dark.
I forgot how small the World is nowadays :)
Yeah i'm really interested in that Info.
A year late to the video, but I have the Boss SY-300 guitar synth, and I actually created a stereo guitar patch that on the left side is a hyper fuzz and the right side is a lead distortion. Both are 70/30 panned and share 2 EQ patches to cover overall tone shaping. Sounds very much like a fuzzy BFG Division/Cyberhex sound with the lead side giving chugging
Thank you Kristian for the question ! It depends on gears, if I'm tube ready, or transistors (solid state technology), digital or software (plug ins), anyway I always crank up the gain on my Krush OD, then into Marshall JMP-1 (tube preamp) than I play the game in every metal contest ! 🍻🍻🍻 👑👑👑🎸🎸🎸🔥🔥🔥
I want to hear that 3 way splitter/ mixer with the revv, bender, and muff. That seems like it would be killer.
Thank you for the insight,you're awesome. I also appreciate the personality. Makes the video very enjoyable to watch. Rock on🤘
Great to hear that. Thank you!
On my bass, I've been running an EHX Bass Soul Food with the drive cranked all the way up. The tone, volume and blend at noon. It goes into into a Bass Big Muff, tone all the way down and drive at about 10 o'clock and the dry switch on to keep the clean sound underneath it all. Totally brutal but clear.
I happened upon the combination of modern distortion and fuzz as a makeshift approach to getting that dirty sound you described in your last video. This video is wonderful addition and very helpful! Thank you!
Love these experiments! Please keep going! I have a non-metal amp, the Laney GH30R-112 combo, its definitely more voiced towards Blues Rock and some hard rock tones, but I've been having great nasty monstrous results mixing fuzz and distortion pedals! Maybe get some non metal amps and experiment with pedals to see what you can get.
Cheers!
My first Randall was very much the "not metal" bluesy amp I was looking for at the time. It's turned out to be the second heaviest amp I have.
Hi Khole! This sounds amazing! It's always a pleasure to watch your videos and learn from them. With that said, if you had to do this with only vst's in a Daw how would you do it? How would the chain look like?
In a DAW you are even more flexible. Just try t emulate my setup.
Two tracks with different distortion plugins or preamps going into an IR. Or going into a virtual power amp and an IR
I ended up getting a Cusack Music Screamer Fuzz which blends overdrive and fuzz. But, I also push it with the Maxon OD808. I use my clean ch on my amps. I get crazy overtones.
I was getting Triptykon vibes off the JHS/Revv blend. Thanks for the video. Things that make you go 'hmmm' and lab-worthy.
Awesome video man! That’s a killer method for developing new heavy guitar tones!
Thanks so much for sharing!
Here’s some other cheap dirt pedals for blending that work
for me:
EHX Flatiron Fuzz (Warmer Rat Distortion)
Behringer HM300 (Boss HM-2 Clone)
ProCo Rat 2
Tone City Matcha Cream (EHX Green Russian Muff Clone, this is the most focused muff model I’ve played, I also own the Triangle and Ram’s Head).
I personally think these 3 models are the best sounding muffs, I like them all more than the standard muff models I’ve played.
Since these pedals sound better boosted, here’s a couple of cheap tube screamer models too:
Behringer TO100 (TS9 Clone)
Behringer TO800 (TS808 Clone)
I think you’re a killer producer & engineer man! Keep up the great content!
I use a big muff and the sustain barely up to where you still get chug and a mesa throttle box eq on at same time and get great tone
Thenks for the demonstration. Ich wish my Joyo Meteor had a mix knob for the return signal. I'd try a SF300 in front and a Ground FX - Burning Sunn into the return.
Loving your Videos. it´s so much fun seeing you doing and loving the shit you do and learning a lot on the way. Makes me wanna instantly grab my Fuzz pedals and start going.
you can do this very easily with a Boss line selector (LS-2) no polarity switch though, but this is how I do this
I've kind of been doing this in Slabdragger since we started, I figured I'd treat my Sovtek Muff as a valve amp and stick a Tube Screamer into it. Hey presto! Precise chugs with filthy fuzz and feedback on tap!
I love this. I do it with a Boss LS-2. My favorite heavy tone is EQD Acapulco Gold boosted by whatever I feel like, mixed with a gnarly fuzz.
Love this video and tones you've get. In last times I fell in love with thick fuzzy chainsawy tones.
I ADORE fuzz..!!! One must be very strategic in it's usage however. I got the Vox Tonebender sound down, with added disco phaser... for CRAZY solos! haha bless you man. Only just found your channel; instant sub! Stay healthy out there
All you need is them pedals you got there. Stacking is the way to go but you took it a step further into bad ass territory. Such a versatile rig you got in this video. I'd love to have that revv
When I had an Engl powerball (60 watt) it hated putting distortion pedals near it. Instant tone clash, yet when I ran Rams head clone pedal (fuzz) it worked perfectly. No idea why.
this is one of my favorites of yours. wow. the knob on the back of a rectifier by the effects loop says level not mix… would that be an issue with this setup?
I use a God City Instruments Jugdenstil for a similar effect. It lets you sort of sweep across a preset HM-2 EQ, and then adjust how much of it is let into the signal. Super thick fuzz and I can dial in maybe 20% grind to make it nice and ugly. Has a sub octave switch that is mild enough to go barely be noticed but you can feel the extra depth. Boost it with a TS and it gets nice and palm mute-y.
wow this sounds epic kinda inspiring me to REVV it up. that’s one brand i haven’t had the pleasure of experiencing yet but now i must
been doing this for a while, though a little differently. it yields a pretty mental sound at the end of the day and its to use a passive splitter into a dual channel dual input amp. recently recorded my band which is pretty much straight up death metal and all the rhythm tracks were done using my model T running both inputs. the normal input was dimed with the siclone on it the second was the bright channel also dimed with a tube screamer and ds 1 in front. can be fickle to balance out but it was the first time trying a model T for death metal and i gotta say im leaning on it for rhythm tracking these days. not just this method either.
I think I have watched this video 5 times start-to-finish since last Saturday. I'm thinking of using a particular Morley ABY with blend dials for the same approach. Also, I took this and your Revv G4 review as permission to purchase a G4 again. I had returned my first one to fund an amp purchase and always missed that shiny red devil.
Keep doing what you do,
-Joel
Great to hear that! Enjoy your experiments! ❤️🍺
@@KohleAudioKult You don't happen to have a diagram beyond the image on screen, do you? I'm over here planning for my splitter/blender arrival and I've hit a potential snag. Feel free to email me if that allows image sharing.
JoelCSabo@gmail.com
I play industrial Metal. I love my Behringer Super Fuzz, but always had an issue with with the sound in Fuzz 2. I did try it to clean up the sound with the the OD as an EQ. It does sound a little better and more clean. It doesn't sound constipated.