Halloween Kills (Dead Meat Podcast Ep. 153)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- Chelsea and James review Halloween Kills, a divisive movie we have divided feelings about.
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MUSIC!! "U Make Me Feel" by MK2
“EVIL DIES TONIGHT!”
Michael: “And I took that personally.”
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@They Killed Kenny yeah, gotta hate the mob. look what they did to the inmate. so I guess what michael gave them was well deserved.
Nope they gotta make sequels
Perfect
The problem with the gun lady isn't that she shoots herself. its that after leaving the car, she disappears for 2 mins. while a lady and her husband gets murdered.
Oh yeah, that’s why it’s funny to some people, because yeah she disappears, comes back to kill Michael and still dies anyway
I agree with facefister. I watched it twice and I was annoyed that she got out the car and didn’t just shoot Michael. Maybe she could have taken a few steps back or runs away enough to not get grabbed then killed him, or even just ran away.
It’s weird she disappears then appears far enough way to have the scene play out the way it did
@Loud Pack she doesn't come back with a gun, she had a gun when she left
The whole idea that he hasn't been after her this while time, makes Laurie's character even more tragic. She could have just lived her life, and gotten over it. If she had then Sartain may have never even thought to bring Michael to her doorstep. On the other hand, if she had lived a normal life, Sartain could have still brought Michael to her, and that would have been a brutal slaughter. It's really difficult to tell.
Maybe I’m foggy on the details of Halloween 2018 but isn’t Laurie just doing that not because she thinks Micheal’s life mission is to kill her but just on the off chance he comes back or someone similar to him every tries to harm her again she’s ready?
@@Hammer56Time Could be, but she does use dialog that indicates that she thinks he's coming after her. "I've waited for him, and he's waited for me."
@@Hammer56Time na she and everybody else definitely thought Michael was coming for her just like how they assumed he was going to the hospital to get her
It doesn't actually make any difference if they're still entwined in the plot together. Whether Michael is obsessed with Laurie because she's his sister, or Laurie is obsessed with Michael because he killed two of her friends 100 years ago, the result is the same, it's just a new coat of paint.
Makes sense
I remember when I watched Kills, my sister was like, “Micheal can’t kill the John’s cuz that’s a hate crime and he can be ARRESTED.” and it was the funniest thing to me
I love that because it implies that it would have been legal to murder them if they were a hetero couple lol
I gotta disagree with the “dumb character decision” in the case of the older woman when she froze by the door. People will freeze out of fear. Some people don’t have a sense of self preservation. That’s a real thing.
She probably also realized she can’t abandon her husband whether he is definitely dead or not. She might have been making it her fate as well. They went down together.
Well you never know how you will react in a situation like that some people act fast, some freeze and some fight
That's not how a large majority of people function. Look at reality, that's not the reaction of people I a war or a mass school shooting, people either run or hide, they dont just fucking stand still with an easily accessible escape
I honestly found that moment understandable cuz she was panicking and fearing for her life
Yeah, I think the character decisions always made sense. Even if as a viewer it may have been frustrating to some to see these characters make these decisions, they don't realize they are in a movie, obviously. They are acting on realistic instincts, and often in real life people don't make the smartest decisions. People get curious in real life situations, people get curious in this film and it gets them killed. I think people also underestimate the power of shock. Many people completely freeze to shock in stressful situations, like you said. Our bodies have the power to just not let us do anything if we are in situations that are stressful enough, so I feel like that freezing up is a lot more common than horror movie watchers tend to think.
In regards to Big John and Little John, as a gay man, I thought they were handled incredibly well and weren't stereotypes. It was nice to see a gay couple treated as a couple instead of pure focus or dialogue about their sexuality. They were real people, they had a sweet relationship and they were also funny as hell. I think that is better representation then 99% of gay characters in other media. Treating us as people and not acting like our sexuality is a personality trait. As always, loved hearing your thoughts and sending you big hugs. 🤗
You didn’t find them to be gay stereotypes? The big, more feminine one, was literally called little John. Why did you think that was if not because he was the counter to the more masculine smaller one. It was the same as calling him Mrs. John to me. Totally didn’t see them as non stereotypes.
I can see where that thought would come from, but we also never got context as to why they chose those nicknames. Perhaps he was called Little John as a joke because he was so much taller. Their relationship seemed to have a basis of humor given the scene with the kids. At least that was my interpretation of it. I've had humorous nicknames with past partners so that may be why I didn't think of it was stereotypes. But thank you for your input. 😊✌
Same, i didnt fins them stereptypical at all
Well, to be fair, many many of the homosexual people I have met throughout my life, their personality completely revolved around being homosexual.
@@hacksbeenjamin right and thats the problem, when displayed in movies and shows its kind of the same thing a lot, like being gay is the biggest part of their personality and i think thats why these characters were handled well because them being gay i dont think was even mentioned, they were juat another couple that was introduced.
there was actually an alt. ending, where Laurie tries to call Karen. not knowing that she was killed, and Michael picks up Karen's phone and breathes into it, after Laurie hears that breathing, she already knows what happened, and tells Michael that she's coming for him, Laurie grabs the knife from under the bed and walks down the hallway, determined to kill the shape.
Wouldn’t have worked, sadly. It would’ve forced Halloween Ends to start on the same night as well. Laurie was still severely wounded, as well as Hawkins. Michael would’ve just killed Laurie with ease. You saw just how easily she was taken down with a hit to the stomach. The time jump is definitely a good option. Gives everyone time to heal up, as well as muster up all the anger and hurt they’ve gotten from Michael killing their friends and loved ones.
The ending will be included on the BluRay. I’m glad it wasn’t in the theatrical cut & I like they’ll move the final movie a few years ahead
That would’ve been so much better
@@DamnWhoAsked Absolutely the best way to do things, I also think seeing Laurie stew for a while and let everything reach a boiling point will make for a good story.
Yesssss this is the ending I wanted
Architecture school dropout here but the reason we use the back door in the Midwest is *typically* this leads directly to the kitchen which is essentially the main drop off point of the house for groceries and such. Rather than the lesser used “front living room”
I’m interested in majoring in Architecture. Are the classes hard? What made you dropout?
@@branhall759 make sure you really really really love it and are ready to buckle down for years before going into it. I realized a few years that I didn’t love it and had a passion for something completely different. I don’t think I challenged myself enough in high school to be ready for what was ahead when entering college so take that for what it’s worth lol
Holy shit, just realized in (NW) Florida I NEVER ONCE used the front door at my best friend's house. I was only vaguely aware it even existed.
a a midwesterner, this is true.
@@DeJesusCustomFootwear don’t all houses have back doors
The girl who he made shoot herself was almost presented like a gag. That’s why it’s funny. Probably the most funny kill in the entire franchise
Agreed!!! The entire audience in the theater roared in laughter at my showing.
The two other kills in that scene are both presented as comedic (“This one’s for Dr Loomis 🤡” and the WHOA TOTALLY BADASS BRO knife through the eye), and I agree, the door-into-gun-into-face bit is also treated like a joke.
Imo it was hilarious and sick as fuck
@@IIiiiLiiOiiIii Yeah the people that go “that wuz sickkkkk” or “brutal as fuck!” are the target audience for this garbage lmao
@@Crinbo interesting hot take, I thought it was a pretty badass kill. Just not fitting for halloween
Vanessa's death is a grand example of Shock Humor where you burst out laughing but feel incredibly bad at the same time! Whole theatre bursted out at the scene.
I think a lot of people mischaracterize that scene. A lot of people say they laughed because of her incompetence, but I think the scene gives that shock humor because of Michael's overwhelming competency. As Chelsea put it, he is instantly calculating how to kill her and keep himself alive. When I saw this in the theater it blew my mind (no pun intended) because it felt so actiony. That isn't a complaint, I loved that. It felt like Michael was pulling some John Wick shit, and I thought that made him so much more intimidating. So yeah, from someone who appreciates that scene and DOESN'T think the characters made dumb decisions, I laughed just because of how shockingly impressive Michael's skills were, not because Vanessa was stupid.
My whole theater just went "ooooooh"💀
@@tiernanmcculloch or Batman
@@tiernanmcculloch yeah she clearly knew how to aim and use a gun, Michael knew how to use a door
Apparently the gun that Vanessa uses while trying to shoot Michael is a Desert Eagle, which (at least based on what my husband told me) is incredibly powerful and requires a lot of effort/strength to fire. My husband's issue with the scene wasn't that Vanessa missed the shots, it's that she likely would not be able to fire that gun as effortlessly as she did.
Because of the gun in question it made sense she couldn’t hit anything tbh
@@DefaultProphet Yes, the fact that she missed wasn't an issue, I just found her death absolutely hilarious, my favorite death of the movie.
@@Harvester88 it was definitely hilarious. Everyone I watched and talked to found it funny how effortlessly Michael handled that situation.
@@Harvester88 I like that it broke up the pattern of how ppl were dying in that scene
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the death; I just laughed when it happened cause it was so sudden and jarring that I couldn’t help but laugh
Just a reminder that James can't hide from Thankskilling 3 forever
They're coming to get you James
hellraiser 4 is not a thanksgiving movie James. It's only a matter of time...
He is NOT covering that.
Indeed.
He's covering it
I LOVED how they kept Michael's face out of focus/in shadow/half out of the frame the entire movie. Every time you'd expect to see his face, you couldn't and that just delighted me. It's probably a super obvious and simple filmmaking technique but I loved it.
I hope we finally see his face in Ends
The flashbacks are hands down the best parts of Halloween Kills. They did an incredible job recreating the environment, the props (especially Michael's mask), and everything else from Halloween (1978). And the casting for Sam Loomis was picked perfectly. When I first saw this movie in theaters, my idiotic self genuinely thought they somehow digitalized Donald Pleasence into the movie, as you can barely tell the difference between him and the new actor in the flashbacks. And also, whoever played Michael in the flashbacks did an amazing job recreating Nick Castle's behavior and the way Michael acted in 1978.
It’s a flawed movie but I loved it
The first scene when we see him on the stairs I thought that they used some of the unreleased material from 1978. I only thought about CGI, a different actor or a composite when they showed him with other actors
I genuinely thought that some parts of the flashback were just deleted scenes
Soundtrack is the best part
I'll agree with you on the Dr Loomis part ,I actually thought for a second it was Donald pleasance aswell 😂. But this movie failed on everything else. Michael Myers himself is a funny character as he can't be killed. We watch it face palm as people in this movie get themselves killed or they give up trying . Why did the angry mob stop fighting back in the end scene. They got themselves killed one by one .
For how seriously flawed this movie was, I thought Michael was perfect. As a lover of all things cosmic horror, I love the ambiguity surrounding him and how he's managing to survive all of this. Michael has always been more "unnatural" than "supernatural". I also REALLY hope that they don't explain him much more than they already have; he's as terrifying as ever and the ambiguity is a big part of that I think.
edit: I also think the other escaped patient storyline was unequivocally the worst part of the movie
Deffo agree with you. They don't need to delve to much into explaining the Myers mythos, the less we know the better.
I love the mystery surrounding him, as well, and I agree, I don’t want them to explain all that much about his resilience. Just simply being a guy who won’t quit is terrifying enough for me. They don’t need to sully that by tying him into some supernatural cult storyline like they did in Curse.
And I agree with your edit, too. The problem with that whole subplot is it comes across as mean-spirited and, like Chelsea said about the movie as a whole, as though the movie is spinning its wheels. It’s so on-the-nose, too, with I think Brackett saying something to the effect of, “Now we’re the monsters.” They also didn’t need to show the man’s mangled body; that’s just indulgent and sadistic voyeurism for a movie that isn’t lacking when it comes to gore. If that subplot needed to be there, I think they could’ve found another way to convey the same message without spoon-feeding it to us.
@@SpanxOdyssey94 mean spirited is exactly how I'd describe it. In a movie full of horrific murders and violence, that part was the most uncomfortable to watch, not to mention how out of place it felt. Everyone got over it right away anyway, so I think he should've lived. The message would've still been clear and they would've been able to play with the whole "evil dies tonight" thing if someone managed to save him. They still could've said "he's turning us into monsters", as terrible a line as that is lol.
@@SpanxOdyssey94 that’s the thing though, he’s not just a guy lol
@@blasteroid3382 Michael was like Batman from the Arkham games in this movie I love it
I just don't understand how anyone in Haddonfield could mistake a 5' 6" dude trembling in fear for Michael Myers, a guy THEY WOULD ALL HAVE SEEN THE FACE OF since he was captured and imprisoned for his crimes.
Defies all logic.
Agreed. It'd be different if the patient was like a 6'5" Hulk of a man. Then I could understand them mistaking him for Michael.
Faces and people change my brother was 6’1 10 years later he’s 5’6 faces change too and also my brother changed in 10 years It’s been 40 years since michael was inprisoned which is a lot more time to change
Nah they would have seen hos face 40 years ago. He killed 3 people, it isn't something that would be remembered
@@TheCosmicFailure Michael is 6'9". That would be like mistaking Jake The Snake Roberts for Psycho Sid.
@@funkyweapon1981 michael isn't 6'9 lol
The concept of the town going against Michael was a cool concept. It's just that the movie was all over the place. Also I get the ending with making Michael supernatural, but then at that point what was the point of retconning the previous sequels when you are still going to tap into the source material.
I think it will depend on how supernatural they make him. I mean he was literally shot six times in the chest and could still walk for miles which is why some could argue that he has always been supernatural. I can see it being where the mask is what’s supernatural
@@Cs-cp6vo in Halloween 2018 he killed plenty of people without his mask on. I think it’s his kill count gives him power
The concept of the town going against was already done way better in Halloween 4.
I was hoping that someone out of the Strode trio would snap and essentially take Michael’s place, so Karen dying in the end could have been a transition from Michael to Karen taking the mantle of the Shape
@@mysteryjunkie9808 yeah they seem to imply that in Kills.
"This is the best Michael Myers movie to me but not the best Halloween movie" how I feel on Halloween Kills.
Perfect summary
Honestly sums up the movie pretty well. Michael was done incredibly well being an unstoppable force of evil, but the characters around him make really dumb decisions that can really take you out of the movie.
@@davidpescitelli8004 without the dumb decisions we wouldn’t get the badass fire fighter scene
@@the_pear1948 I mean I'm fine with that since there was no way for them to know Michael was in the building, so it wasn't too stupid. I'm more talking about stuff like Lonnie going into the house himself to fight Michael when he could have just called Tommy to bring the mob to kill him.
@@davidpescitelli8004 fair
The part at the hospital reminded me of that SpongeBob episode where the mob thinks the old man is bullying SpongeBob and that one fish was like “how many times are we gonna have to teach you this lesson old man?”
"They know there's a fucking mob out here they've all been chanting evil dies tonight"
James' delivery just made me laugh so much. Lmao
Same
FINALLY someone agrees with my “being able to use a gun doesn’t make you a master at it” argument
i just think that its kinda funny when a character brags about being able to shoot then doesnt shoot very well also just have her knock michael down a bit then die its not as if this supposed not magical michael hasnt been shot to shit
@@donb7519 The fact that the door kick managed to make the nurse's arm bend in a way that it perfectly aims the gun at her head as she's pulling the trigger is parody level of nonsense.
@@samzilla567 i mean i guess she was good at shooting if she got a headshot tho
or even competent.
No it does not but you definitely do not switch from proper grip to one hand when you get closer to your target. That is why I thought it was a dumb decision. Besides, that pistol was a Desert Eagle.. very powerful and very heavy gun. Not something you can just shoot yourself with one-handed because a car door hit it.
The scene with Mr. Tovoli dying and Oscar’s mom finding his body were both very heartbreaking
Also dude Cameron’s death man, like holy shit. It’s easily the most brutal and cruel moment in the series mainly due to how prolonged it is like fuck man it almost made me sick at the brutality of it
@@thedeepfriar745 the whole car scene with the couple terrified me the most. I don’t like eye torture or things getting into eyes. And when the lady shot herself with the car door, I screamed
The scene where Michael crushes Big John's head so hard his eyes pretty much squish from the eyesockets, holy shit.
@@thedeepfriar745 Jesus Michael like that was just overkill, he was already dead, like that is not just the golden chainsaw but geez Michael is merciless and insanely brutal
@@clownfromspongebob3979 when she shot herself, it was kinda funny because of how Michael just kicked the door, that was surprising badass funny and tragic at the same time, not funny because she tried shooting him, it was tragic she died but funny how Michael thought of that
That opening sequence of Michael killing the firefighters is a likely contender for the golden chainsaw in the eventual Halloween Kills kill count.
I’d say big John is also a good contender
Nah the golden chainsaw was Cameron for sure, it was just overkill geez
it was so corny
Eye gouges definitely get the golden chainsaw easily. Let’s come back to this comment to see who was right once the kill count releases
I personally feel they should have ended the movie right after he put on his mask with the mob around him
Agreed that would’ve been great.
No.
eh
Very True.
Would've been cool but the Michael's revenge scene looked awesome
Big John and Lil John were not stereotypical at ALL! Coming from a Gay Man!!! The house renovations were amazing! I was happy to get gay recognition!
I think the main issue with the movie was simply knowing this was gonna be a middle movie. I liked how characters who barely had any mention in 2018 have bigger roles and deaths in this one like the nurse and doctor couple and the woman from the graveyards. I do think it's fair to say the characters are making dumb decisions because they haven't slept and in Karen's case she just lost her husband and almost died with the rest of her family.
I agree on what you said. It was nice to see that minor characters from Halloween 2018 got a bit more screen time in this movie. Though brief, they had some crazy deaths.
I mean most of the chatacters were totally drunk as well as being completely terrified in the situations they were put in. Their decisions were unfortunately realistic.
I really didn't like the fanservice.
I couldn't care less about the older characters
@@balabanasireti That's not really fanservice and we don't care if you liked the main characters or not. The entire point of the movie is to show the trauma that was caused to the rest of the town and Michael's victims instead of Laurie and her family. That's why the mob stuff was so important. The characters were came back from the original were the focus along with Alyson as the new heroine.
@@maulok8441 I don't give a shit, kid.
So maybe don't write a reply that I'll stop reading after the second sentence. The characters were boring fanservice and the trauma was handled poorly.
End of story.
Halloween kills message: Mob mentality is bad and leads to innocent people getting caught in the crossfire.
Also Halloween kills: Shows Michael Myers dunking on everyone.
He’s just unstoppable
Both excited & scared to hear what you guys thought! This movie sure has been controversial. I loved it, but I want to hear your thoughts either way. You guys are always cool and fun to listen to. :)
also funny story: I've only seen this movie in theaters one time. I want to see it again for many reasons, one of them being that people broke out into a screaming match and almost started physically fighting in the middle of the movie. Lmao.
all these characters that we dont care about, and then they just die. this film needed to be about alyson and focus on her, they missed a golden opportunity to do so. They focus wayyyy to much on all these "legacy" characters and i didnt care about ANY OF THEM.
@Nico ww thank you for being respectful of us who did not enjoy it. I just wanted to say thank you.
@@The420SNAG I didn't either, but we also have to show respect for those who did. I love horror movies and don't want us to be so angry at those who don't agree with us.
@@nicoww9182 I would agree that the kills are awesome. I love big John's death that was my favorite kill.
One of the cop's names, Tobias, is also a nod to Tobias Forge, the lead singer of Ghost! The song Hunter's Moon (the one in the credits) is by them
The fireman sprayed Michael with a hose because that hose can rip through someone’s body
maybe not ripped but push someone back.
Not when you barely have any pressure though
Michael went through like the terminator
Nothing rips through Michael, they might aswell have thrown a ladder at his head lol 🤦♀️🤷♀️.
Really? It looked like some dumb move to me
Halloween 2: "I SHOT HIM SIX TIMES!"
Halloween Kills: "EVIL DIES TONIGHT"
Halloween: Hey Lonnie, get your ass away from there!
@@schulzjulius Halloween 2018: Aww man... I got peanut butter on my penis.
My favorite little character return is that the woman with the drone who's killed at the top of Halloween Kills, is the graveyard caretaker from Halloween (2018)
She was funny and cute how they made the drone thing
I mainly hated Karen’s fate because in my head i was just like “why would you go back in the house”
Yeah unlike someone who predicted a theory about Karen getting killed by Michael standing at the window and it could’ve ended there instead
Yeah that shit was trash and made no sense
Like he came back killed that whole group and somehow sneaked back upstairs with no ones seeing him to kill her and just stand there
i’m still convinced she’s alive idc idc i just don’t want her to die😭 we never actually see him stab her in a fatal spot
@@shabeehasim3748 I'm with you on this. If we all thought Hawkins was dead just to have him survive, the same could be done with Karen. Have her badly injured but still alive.
It would be cool if Halloween Ends starts with the end of Halloween Kills:
They go to retrieve Karen’s body, Michael gets pissed, and the remaining town’s folk burn down the Myers’ house, sending Michael into the wild with nowhere to go.
They should hire you as a writer!
@@eehbahgore-horrormovierevi5389 thanks! It’s the film school drop out in me
Maybe Halloween Ends will open with a scene like that. Since we're getting a four year time jump between movies, Michael probably wasn't living in his childhood house the entire time. He might be hiding out somewhere and definitely would be if the people of Haddonfield destroy the Myers house out of anger.
@@andyandnormski THERWS A 4 YEAR TIME JUMP?
What if they destroy the house
My friend described Laurie's plot as:
Laurie: Michael dies tonight!
Karen: Sure g̶r̶a̶n̶d̶m̶a̶
mom, let's get you back to bed.
No mention of this EXCELLENT SCORE! I mean, gee whiz! They actually UPPED the ante from H2018! Like WOW!
Score slapped
PLEASE send the Myer's house to space so we can get Michael X
YES PLEASE
Freddy X vs Michael X. Both the Elm Street House and the Myers house are sent into space and Freddy and Michael have a legal dispute about how much of the expanse of space is part of their house's lawn.
The whole theater, including my friends and I, laughed when Vanessa shot herself, but we (my friends and i) weren’t laughing because we thought Vanessa was stupid or anything. Just how Michael kicked the door and she shoots herself in the face, that’s a funny gag. I think David Gordon green intended that kill to be more humorous by the absurdity of it and how you weren’t expecting it.
Yeah I think it is the shock of how competent Michael is that gets most, not the shock of how "stupid" Vanessa was like some suggest. You really do not expect him to do that, and it is so sudden and brutal and a change of pace for how he kills people, normally he goes for much more drawn out and slow deaths. To have something so sudden is just so unexpected, and it delivers like humor because of that. It may not be intentional, but that juxtaposition of timing is set up just like a joke. It feels like a punchline with how sudden it occurs, you know? So even if you feel bad for the character's death, it is the timing that causes people to laugh, even if they don't realize it.
That’s the actual funny part, I loved Vanessa, not her not aiming the gun it’s the door price she got
I don't know what's more bizarre that or people wasting bullets and not doing any damage to Michael *smh* .
my favorite kill in the movie just because of how silly it is lol
What really frustrated me about Vanessa's death is that she jumped out of the car and left her husband there to die for SEVERAL minutes and then comes back only to end up shooting herself. I would never leave my partner with the only weapon around.
Let's chase this guy through the hospital, he kinda looks like Michael Myers. Get em.
yeah I was surprised they didn't mention how she left for a long time to do what exactly? just to come back? where did she go? why didn't she shoot him when she first got out of the car. I feel like Marion still even had a gun at that point and if Marion shot from in while she shot from out I feel like they could've escaped while Michael recovered
Don't get me started on the dumb characters in this movie. The husband was unharmed except for a silly stethoscope 🤦♀️. The old lady wastes all her bullets by stupidly shooting like a maniac with poor vision almost killing the people in the car 🙄🤦♀️. And the wife pointlessly shoots herself,I still don't understand how she managed that . I really was hoping for a cool showdown with the townspeople & Michael but nope once again he dominates them all and is probably laughing under his mask at them all .
She did run away earlier in the film when she thought Michael was in their car....I felt it was in character that she'd run away for a bit, maybe change her mind and come back *shrug* The movie has some flaws but that isn't one of them imo.
I always took Allyson holding the knife was a nod to the fact that Laurie dropped the knife a few times in the original film. It was like their way of saying we are not dropping the knife this time. At least that's how I took it.
If there was ever a movie that suffered from "middle of a trilogy" syndrome, it's this one
My whole theatre erupted with laughter at the gun kill😂
They also gasped at Marcus' knife kill😂
Rumor has it that “Halloween Kills” is really just a documentary about how Haddonfield became the Darwin Award capitol of the world.
I'd say it's more a documentary on how Big City liberals (assuming that based on how they have people stupidly use firearms, and rural mobs to be wildly inept) don't know a thing about rural midwest towns.
Like shit, the last time they had a mob in Halloween, at least the writers knew, those drunk idiots would not go looking for michael without rifles and shotguns.
@@MrHellsing76
RIP Ted Hollister. Gone but not forgotten.
@@That-Will-Do-It They got the small town atmosphere in the flashbacks and the bar scenes sort of. but the rest of it was really bad.
Yeah I agree with James about the weird editing in the car scene where Vanessa (lady in the sexy nurse costume) climbs out of the car that Michael attacks, and she just kinda disappears for an noticeable amount of time before she somehow materializes about 20-30 feet away from them, even though in reality she would've hit the ground right outside the car. What was she doing in the mean time? It was enough time for Michael to kill 2 other passengers in that car. Weird.
I’m DEFENDING the freezing old lady.
Like Katie Adkins said in her episode, sometimes your brain works harder than your body, and it just gives out/go on a shock state!
The kills are great, Michael is actually intimidating and his design is the best it’s ever been especially in the flashback. But the characters are braindead and the story is ass. They really thought a Danny devito look alike was Michael Myers🤦♀️
That was annoying me. I was yelling at the screen about how small he was. THERES NO WAY THATS MICHEAL!!!WTF??
Lmaooo
Danny Devito haha
I loved Big John and Little John. Hands down my favorite characters.
I don’t understand also the thing that “oh Michael is homophobic” NO HES NOT HE JUST KILLED THEM BECAUSE HE WANTS THEM OUT OF THE HOUSE
@@miketrapper0464 nobody is saying that
@@Ethos10128 no a lot of people trying to be extra woke have made complaints about it. It would’ve been more homophobic to not kill them just because they were gay imo. He even posed them like their photo
@@Ethos10128 there are people saying that
@@Ethos10128 there is people online claiming Michael was homophobic for killing them and also have issues with them being played by straight people.. It's like the very basis of acting wasn't to pretend to be someone you are not..
Jason Voorhees: *kills over 200 people*
Chelsea: "I could fix him"
Michael is pure evil, Jason just needs therapy
Vanessa's death just had a really unexpected slapstick quality to it. It got a "Holy crap did that just happen?" laugh out of me.
That’s how funny it was, it was Michael thinking of it, not because she can’t aim she can, she knows how you use guns, but that doesn’t mean she’s a sniper, Michael killing her with the door is funny
Some good Dark Humor
I know this is over two years old, but I was rewatching this ep, and when you talked about rating a movie there at the end, I was reminded of a quote by Roger Ebert I read on Wikiquote that I very much agree with: "The star rating system is relative, not absolute. When you ask a friend if Hellboy is any good, you're not asking if it's any good compared to Mystic River, you're asking if it's any good compared to The Punisher. And my answer would be, on a scale of one to four, if Superman (1978) is four, then Hellboy is three and The Punisher is two."
What I disliked about the film was that they tried to make it ambiguous if Michael was supernatural or not, when within a single night, he has been:
stabbed in the shoulder, run over by a car, had a hand shot apart, have a direct shotgun shot to the cheek, stabbed in the back, hit by a pan twice, stabbed in the shoulder and hand, inhaled fire and smoke, gotten hit in the head with bricks, stabbed three times in the stomach, pitchforked in the back, curbstomped in the head, kicked in the head, brutalized by a mob, shot four times in the body and stabbed in the back again
I felt like he should have bleed out
I could survive that
He's clearly Rasputin.
How is it ambiguous by the end of the movie?
Homies got a Wolverine healing factor
Thought it was kind of underwhelming, especially with Jaimie Lee Curtis spending the whole movie away from Michael. The flashback scenes were done well though.
For everyone below me saying they needed to save her for Ends and she needed to heal. Could have just not stretched this out to a trilogy or had it not take place right after the 2018 version. The more I think about the more I realize this movie didn’t need to be made.
I mean why would they meet in kills? They gotta save it for ends. And we got cute character moments with her and Hawkins. She actually gets character development too. Unlike h2 lol
dumb comment
At least she wasn’t in a coma like Halloween II, I’m glad she actually gets multiple lines of dialogue & interacts with characters.
This movie did a lot of referencing and callbacks so her role in this movie is technically the same as Halloween II as Laurie spend most of time in the hospital injured. And There was really nothing she can do in HK seeing how she was so injured and can barely walk, so yeah I agree with the other guy, gotta save it for Halloween Ends.
SOUND FAMILIAR?!?!?
fun fact: the young michael in kills from the flashback is a stuntman who played michael in a 2005 fanfilm released on youtube called "Michael V.S. Jason"
Cool
That’s neat
i think micheal was stabbing the husband in the back just to find the sharpest knife, i dont think he wanted to decorate him
I actually love the flashbacks to 1978 in this movie I think they’re done so well.
I am really glad to see that they were honest about the good and the bad of this movie despite all the promo-ing they did. Also, can’t wait for the Scream video!!
I loved Big John and Little John, but little John saying “Michael, you’ve come home” before getting murdered absolutely took me out of the moment
I felt like they wanted to run a storyline arc where the gay people were like in awe of Michael and the legend and they just weren’t good enough writers to make it work.
Big John and Little John know the story and used it in the movie to spook kids jokingly. For someone to live in a famed home of a murderer and then see him sitting across the room from you, Little John's expression turned from grief to shock and fear.
They tried to be cryptic
@@franciscoaguilar2597 I think the line and delivery of it just came off very campy rather than real shock.
@@willdallas53 I don’t think being gay had anything to do with it.
RE: The Venessa death being funny.
My friend was one of the people who laughed at this one and according to them it wasn’t because of the whole “said they could shoot but missed” thing. Apparently the just found the visual of her shooting herself in that way ridiculous. They aren’t sure why but they just found how it looked immersion breaking.
Yeah, I watched with a buddy of mine who is a gun nut, and he laughed, and when I asked he said it took him out of it because if a gun was to discharge in that situation, it would definitely happen when the door hit the gun not when it got to her face.
To me what was funny was how Michael just killed her like that, with the simplicity of kicking the door
I wish her death wasn’t changed from how it was in the script.
@@tt_dynomite I'm not even a gun person in the slightest but i feel lile that's a no brainer if you think about it for more than 5 seconds it seemed really sloppy and convenient
It was so blunt and sudden. And her continually missing shots and when Michael makes 1 move that happens… it’s hilarious
"Hey, let's all try to 1v1 Myers !" Halloween 2021
I love all the Halloween films for what they are, the only issue I've had with this new trilogy is how they marketed it as this completely new take on the franchise but for me both the films so far don't match the best of the original Michael sequels, Halloween 2, 4 and H20 are in my opinion better than the new films.
1 and 2 are legendary, because of Carpenter
@Natasha Evans in between film???!!! It starts at the beginning of the end of 2018 so it puts you right there in the action and doesn’t lead up to a big reveal because then it keeps going and gets more and more gruesome
Bro are you going to update the Michael Myers evolution
H20 is my favorite
These are the best two Halloweens besides the original.
Chelsea: I can fix him
Michael: i can make a jack o lantern out of a human head
I am SO happy you guys thought of the hobbits hiding from the Nazgul when Lindsey hides from Michael! We had the same thought when we first watched the movie, and we had to pause it because we were giggling too much.
That nuke haddonfield had me laughing...micheal would of ate that nuke knowing him
The thing that made Michael infamous with the 2018 Halloween is the fact that 1) its a small town, 2) it was mostly kids that were murdered and 3) its a dude that CAME BACK from a crazy hospital just to kill. Small towns remember shit for a long time
I'm surprised neither of you mentioned his mask or the film's score. Thought he looked eerily awesome and creepy as hell. And the score was just so haunting, especially the opening theme with the choir. I also thought they did an outstanding job in recreating the flashbacks. Seeing young Michael move so quickly when killing the cops was terrifying. We're so used to him moving so slowly.
I enjoyed the movie entertainment-wise. I watched it twice and didn’t get bored. It has a few issues - I understand why people don’t love it, but I am still as excited for Ends as I was before watching it.
I think the only issue is that there is too much slashing and too less story. And the brutal killing that michael does just isn't his style. But otherwise the movie was great.
@@appleleptikerMichael isn’t brutal??
@@staywoke2467 He is more brutal in this movie than in the others.
@@appleleptiker ummm Halloween II (2009) says hello
@@mummeii he is completely different person. This is the same Michael from 1978, that wasn't brutal at all. He shouldn't be a f*cking Art The Clown that makes art of human bodies.
Spoilers…
So when Vanessa shot herself in the face I did laugh, but it was after I was like, “OHHHHHH!” and the reason I laughed was just because I didn’t see it coming and it caught me so off guard, as I’m sure it caught her off guard. I didn’t think it was a stupid character decision; but I laughed because it was thrilling basically
"Lonnie Lonnie weird and scrawny, has bad dreams and cries to mommy"
Great writing
Michael also has a song now, too! It's called "Hunter's Moon" by Ghost. It's really good and I think ya'll would love it.
i cant believe how many times i heard “40 years ago today...” in this movie. just as much as “evil dies tonight”
I like the part where the haddonfield mob said “evil dies tonight”
The hospital scenes were the best part. So subtle and necessary
That's most of the movie! You must have had a great time lol
corny af
i hope you all know i was joking because they said that phrase over and over again, and i wasnt being specific on which time they said it.
@@wombato5715 We do!
This movie suffered for having no protagonist to equal the antagonist. There are several characters that are there, but in no way strong enough, or with enough screen time to really feel empathy for them
Definitely
Agreed. It feels very unfocused to me
Maybe Michael was the protagonist in this film. He is the one driving the story forward
I would say Jon, this was the least empathetic Michael in the entire franchise.
@@dtower1825 exactly, I noticed that on the first watch and couldn't get invested because it would jump around every 5-10 mins between different groups.
MY PEOPLE
best channel on TH-cam. Shoutout from Fayetteville, Arkansas.
The greatest feat of Kills was the flashback scene: the Dean Cundey cinematography & the blue tones, the 78 mask, attention to detail (the rope, the damaged window, dog) , etc. the new John & Cody Carpenter soundtrack. The behind the scenes glimpse w Michael selecting a proper knife. James Jude Courtney’s walk, mannerisms, curiosity, etc. Kyle Richards. Cameron’s death is just brutal!! The biggest issue was the script & dialogue.. I still like it & I truly hope they wrap it up properly with Ends.
After Chelsea saying that they should give Michael some crayons or paint so he can finger paint
Somehow I find that image of Michael just standing in a room finger painting kinda cute actually
To me, Vanessa's death is like this:
Vanessa: Starts shooting.
Michael: "KICK!"
Vanessa: Dies from the gunshot.
Michael: Oh my God, that works.
Did anyone else notice how much more sadistic and brutal Micheal is in this one
Exactly, he stabs a dead man like 3 times with 3! Different knives
He always has been...we just got to see more of his art.
@@MyBichSustained He Is An Artist. 😂
@@johndetheshape3095 The art of murder!
@@thatkaijuguy72 That scene was super disturbing lol
I do think the scene where Vanessa shots herself is tragic, but also wasnt well done story wise. She got out of the car and was gone for a solid minute while Marion and Marcus got murdered. Why didn't she get out and immediately turn to shoot Michael when he was clearly still on the roof of the car. Or when he got down to kill Marion.
And Michael getting upstairs to kill Karen made zero sense, because yes he could've used the back door, but the stairs are right by the front door where Allyson and all the cops are sitting. Did he just slowly walk past them lol
I feel like some of the cheesy lines could’ve been nonverbal. There is a way you can say, “he’s turning us into monsters” without actually saying it. But at the same time, when it comes to Brackett, I’m ok with his lines because I’m just happy he is back
I agree with most of this review. The only thing I disagree is how Michael got back in to kill Judy Greer. That house is now a crime scene. The whole house including the back door would be monitored by police. So much of this movie is ridiculous.
25:14 I think what Chelsea says here's one of my main problems with this movie. This movie feels dependent on Halloween (2018) and Halloween Ends to work because as a standalone movie it doesn't work.
Hyped for the kill count!
It has to be on bluray first
@@chrisflynn2006 hopefully soon
Don't read my name;*;$+;"
@@readmyprofiledont5060 no one cares
@@chrisflynn2006 in January
I honestly loved this movie. Where 2018 was the Laurie Strode story, this one is the Michael Myers story. They made him brutally terrifying once again and the kills were some of the best in the franchise. However I will say that I still enjoy 2018 more over this one.
As far as alot of the mob confusing the escapee for Michael Myers, you have to remember alot of these people haven't seen him in 40+ years including Tommy. So between the mass hysteria and just sheer terror I can understand why alot of the people acted the way they did.
I will say that alot of the dialogue was a bit clunky to say the least. The "Evil dies tonight" line got old really fast.
I love this movie but my problem with the mob scene is that they saw Michael’s face on the news. I’m pretty sure the news would label the photos with names. Even if not, between the two, it should probably be obvious which is physically the bigger threat
I wish my brain was easily entertained. Movie sucked, Michael was good.
For sure
@@letsjustlaugh1592 my brain isn't easily entertained. I know Halloween 5, Resurrection and Rob Zombie's Halloween 2 is dogshit so I don't watch them. This movie was so much better than any of those
R.I.P to Ross Bacon who played Lance Tivoli, he played the role pretty great in the 2018 version and this one.
Wait when did he die?
@@miketrapper0464 May 16, 2021. He passed due to lung cancer
@@ActuallyIra damn may he Rest In Peace
12:25 Just all of a sudden "IM CRAZAAYYYY" -- LMAOOOOO that was hilarious
This is my favorite Halloween sequel, I can see why a lot of people don't like it. But I frickin love this movie, it is a very entertaining movie for me and I can watch this movie so many times. 😀
I agree it is one of the best sequels to Halloween. (I exclude Rob Zombies reboot and Halloween 3 since they are both technically their own things.) It has a lot of flaws, but the good parts of this film are SO good that I can't really say I dislike this film. Even the bad parts, while frustrating, are still a small part of the film. My only really big problem is the ending, it is just so abrupt and feels like it goes against everything the film has been setting up. I love how Michael is just a normal dude who is very good at killing people, and the ending unfortunately revokes that by making him survive the impossible. Karen is a great character in this trilogy, and she dies so abruptly that it feels like her death has no meaning and was just there for shock factor. So it is a mixed bag for me, but again, the positive greatly outweighs much of the negative imo.
For sure it’s one of the better ones, not one of the best but I loved it
I hated it. And I’m not saying that based on bandwagon reviews. I saw it day 1 with no spoilers and after the movie I walked out angry and disgusted. Angry because I felt my time was wasted due to nothing happening the whole movie and because I really was excited and wanted to love this movie. Disgusted because the movie was just really mean spirited and a lot of kills just made me feel gross. Like in the new scream and even Texas chainsaw massacre most kills are quick and gory in a fun and exciting way. In Halloween kills you watch a terrified mentally ill man beg for his life then jump to his death while the camera zooms in on his exploded head, twisted limbs, and twitching fingers. That’s something that’s not fun to watch. I know people say “that’s the point! It’s not suppose to be fun to watch and your suppose to be uncomfortable”, but then why make the movie? Movies are for entertainment, if I want to be depressed I’ll pay someone to murder a puppy in front of me.
@@TheFabulousPotato1 I can definitely agree with the kills
The elderly couple: gets an entire butcher block emptied into him, she gets a light tube in the neck and graphically bleeds out.
LJ/BJ: BJ gets extended scene with one stab, LJ gets an offscreen death, Michael Myers poses their bodies together, puts on Anne Murray.
Just a little tonally different.
Maybe he was grateful they kept the place well and groomed for him 😂
I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Are you saying he treated LJ and BJ worse or the elderly couple?
The lady shooting multiple times and missing is backed up by actual statistics. On average a person's accuracy goes down by 50% when in active combat. People can say they would have hit Michael from that range but it's very different hitting a target that isn't going to do anything and trying to aim a shot when you are being attacked and trying to line up a shot while avoiding danger yourself.
That being said I didn't think the kill was funny, nor did I find it really tragic, I thought how it happened just was too convoluted for me. Had he done the door kick, made her miss the shot and then realize she was out of bullets and then he attacked her. That would have felt more real but this weird dude perfect combo shot felt off for the tone Michael had set previously.
How many shots did she take before she accidentally shot herself
Micheal decided that couple needed a new knife block I guess
One of the Mulaneys from the flashback scene, is in Halloween Ends, revealed to be Doug Mulaney, Allyson's ex, yet dies by Michael and Corey Cunningham
I personally didn’t think the gun death was FUNNY, but I did just kinda go “what” 🤨
To me it felt more like a death you’d see in something like the Final Destination series, which took me out of the scene for a minute
Exactly it’s not necessarily “funny” more like goofy? Idk it just felt so odd.
For me it's one of those "oh" moments where you just don't feel anything like "well..Well that happened."
Call me crazy, but I watched Halloween Kills and IMMEDIATELY thought to myself that it's actually just a remake of Halloween 4. The premise is almost identical: the townwide vigilante justice, the themes of police control and the dynamic of the family holed up in a central location. Just like in Halloween 4 they kill someone innocent, and the movie concludes with Michael getting shot all to hell but, of course, surviving.
I kinda liked it as the second in this new trilogy, as an homage to the thematic middle of the original series of movies.
Exactly. All they did was take h20 and h4 and put them in a blender with hatchet and out popped kills.
I actually watched a dubbed version in German, and I was genuinely shocked because the guy looked and sounded exactly like Dr Loomis in the original. I thought it was some Kind of archive Footage or something. Uncanny
A lot of people thought Michael was decorating the guy when he stabbed him with all the knives, but I think he was just picking a knife. I dont know, he positions the johns later, but Michael doesn't really seem the decorative type, it just seems so much more ghoulish that he's just casually picking a weapon and this guy just so happens to make a pretty good knife block.
People keeping saying he's selecting a knife, but it's very obvious from how Michael looks during the scene with his eerily giddy posture grabbing the knives that he's just messing around with the body. He then runs out of knives, so he leaves with a sizable blade.
To be fair, Michael sometimes has fun with his kills or at least sees them as art.
I agree with you though, I think that Michael just wanted to test out the knives.
I mean.... Human Jack-o-lantern disagrees
@@franciscoaguilar2597 To me there's just something about the way he tilts his head for a moment to look at the guy's back, and the way he slams the knives in and pauses a second to look at them, it's like he's testing the blades.
They needed to keep Halloween 2 1981 in the continuity so bad. More murders + surviving being shot so many more times and burning alive = more reason for such a reputation.
so super funny background character detail, the last mob fight there’s a shot of the mob and in the very background you can see a lady and her weapon of choice is a fkn IRON 🤣😭
I saw that on my second viewing and wanted to holler and laugh but remained respectful lol
also the knife at the end of 2018 is meant to symbolize the passing of trauma
"EVIL DIES TONIGHT!"
Michael: nah how about a sequel?
That's always an issue in horror movies. They down the attacker and just leave instead of injuring them more
Myers was the protagonist and I loved it, he was the best version of himself, also best portrayal of him, and the mask is literally flawless
Michael McDonald’s death scene was definitely a funny little callback to his death in Austin powers international with the steamroller hurling to him slowly and he just stands there 🤣
But no way people have caught that after first watch unless someone told them
No his death was supposed to be symbolic of him being in awe of Myers but the writers weren’t good enough to get that across to the viewers.
@@willdallas53 ddg and Danny are comedic writers though. Wouldn’t be surprise at all if they threw a joke in that scene for their own amusement. I don’t think not enough people caught onto that connection tho
If you think about it, evil did die that night. The mob was a form of evil, and Michael killed some of them. Lol