"When I walk into my garage and see my RT and see this, I want to get on the RT and take it for a ride..." And THAT is enough reason to choose RT, by far the best bike ever.
I'm on my 3rd GS; '05 R1200GS, '14 R1200GS and now a '22 R1250GSA. The GS has great handling on the road, is very comfortable on long North America ventures, and one can trundle off on any backcountry dirt, gravel, forest service road you want to expand your adventure. That is what adventure touring is all about for me, and the BMW GS is the best at it in my opinion. As just an average rider, am I going to take the big, loaded GS over some gnarly, technical, rock-crawling jeep track? No, not me, that is what my KTM 690 Enduro R is for. The GS's have allowed me to have 18 years of adventure touring bliss and I don't regret one dime of purchase, maintenance, or gear costs.
@@rhyswilliams254 As an owner of a ‘12 R1200GSA and previously a ‘97 F650GS and ‘98 R1100GS, I agree it’s been a great series. I test rode the R1300GS this past weekend though. I absolutely hated it. It was cramped, the motor was so quiet and smooth it had zero character. It felt more like an electric bike. I then tried the F900GS and absolutely loved it. If you’ve loved GSs in the past, the R1300 may not be for you, but the F900GS is pretty awesome!
I was also extremely turned off by the noise coming through the front fairing a medium speed. So much so that I decided not the buy the bike and stay with my older GS. Good to see you mentioning it. All other reviewers have been silent on this.. Love your reviews
TG. Finally somebod mentioned the, by far, most anoing point. I changed tires to Conti TA3, which are one of the quitest on the market. But finally I gave up to this, so unhealthy, sound and sold the bike with 4.000 km. Nerve wrecking and emotionless.
THAT is the reason for me to sell the bike. The engine noise between 20 - 60 km/h is so horrible that it's really annoying. There is always a small, chugging diesel truck in your ear. An unpleasant metallic sound. I have no idea why nobody at BMW engineers noticed this. My wife's 1250 R, on the other hand, sounds warm, full and motivates you to ride fast. They are worlds apart.
@@nur_johnny8713 Not really. The 2021 and the 2023 of the R 1250 R sounds the same. It is the new engine of the 1300. Yes the new engine is powerful and the Quickshifter fits far better in the new engine but the noise, omg, that's a real showstopper.
Excellent review as always Scott. Toward the end of the video you talked about walking in your garage and looking at the GS and the unemotional attachment. I felt the same way with my 2022 R1250GS. The motorcycle was great and I loved the look of it. However, I decided to sell it and purchase a 2022 R1250RT and I absolutely love it. Like you, I have somewhat of an emotional attachment to the RT and enjoy it more every time I ride it. My RT is the same blue as yours and people always comment what a beautiful motorcycle it is. I just can't imagine any other sport touring motorcycle that I would like as well as the RT.
I have a 2017 1200 GS, I’ve never considered the newer shiny 1250 or now the 1300. I can’t imagine for the extra $$$ those bikes can do anything mine can’t with the exception of going a little faster. Someday, when she gives up the ghost I’ll look at new but honestly that 2017 has features that many other new ADV bikes don’t have.
This motor noise is really awful ! I have a 2022 GS-1250 Sport and I love it. It has no annoying engine or valve noise at all. I'll never trade it for the 1300.
I felt the same when I owned an R1250GS. No emotional attachment. Owned it less than a year, an excellent functional bike. I now ride an R1250RS, which feels so much better and makes me want to ride it.
@@nur_johnny8713 I wish I could clearly define that for you, but since when has emotion been something that is easily definable and consistent for all people?.What I can say is a bike is far more than its drive train, and for me and the RS it starts with how the bike rides and handles, and the feeling of the ride. Plus there is nothing inherently ‘unemotinal’ about the boxer engine and shaft drive. It’s a cracking engine, one of the torquiest on the market.
I was really worried this was going to be a biased summary(as you intended to sell it). But, great to see you kept it honest and transparent. Me…I’m going with the Stelvio too 🤠
I've owned a R1200RT for 4 years, drove it all around Europe, and without a doubt the RT was a great touring machine for long distance travelling. I traded it in for a R1250GS in '21 and have to say that I enjoy the GS more than the RT. The GS is more fun to ride, and I find it as good as the RT for long distance touring. The seat position is even slightly better for me as my knees are less bent than on the RT. I'm getting close to 50.000 km with the GS, after which I will traded it in for a new bike and most likely that will be a GS again. But I'll wait till all the 'childhood illnesses' are out of the 1300.
Somehow I love the bucket of bolts sound my 1250 gs makes and don’t sweat the scratches dings and scarfed up engine guards from dropping it off road. It’s like the truck you use for everything and quit worrying about it years ago.
I sold my '22 RT because of the louder engine noise. The new Triumph Tigers' are much quieter, and 1200 line-up are super nice! I have had many BMW's, and the Triumph is right there in all categories. And at 148 HP, they are super quick! I love mine!
Firstly, thanks for all your reviews - really appreciated. Regarding the GS - I think potential buyers need to think about what they need. Compare to a Moto Guzzi as you get so much character for so little and then decide if you really need anything else. Personally, I have a KTM1290 Adventure and thinking of moving to a Moto Guzzi V85TT 2024 model. I just do not need loads of gizmos and 150bhp. And yes, I tour Europe regularly covering 2000+ miles in a week.
Moto Guzzi sticks with you somehow… 3 in the Garage and counting. Got an 1250 GSA next to them and often times find myself looking at it somewhat in awe but then picking the Guzzi next to it for the ride 😅
Interesting assessment! I have a 2019 R1250GS & a 2019 R1250RT. I brought my GS first and absolutely loved it as it was my Swiss army knife do all bike. I brought the RT some 12 mths later and have grown to love it. It is now my go to bike and I find the GS sitting parked in the garage a lot as I tend to jump on the RT. I have a emotional attachment to the GS in that it is my dirt road camping machine but I find myself doing very little off seal riding these days & a pub room is a lot more comfortable and I don't need to lug around camping gear - hence take the RT. I found the 1300 engine nice but didn't warm to the sound of it, the 1250 sounds more raw! I am waiting for the new 1300 RT but if it comes out looking like the Leggo GSA I won't be going near it. Keep up the great reviews.
I have owned a 2008 R1200 GSA and loved it on the road, but not on the more difficult off-road trails in Colorado because of the weight. I do love my 2017 KTM 1090R for the lighter weight, 18/21 wheel set, powerful V-twin engine, great suspension, uses a key to start, and much fewer electronics the than the new KTM 890/1290 bikes. I completely agree with the comment below, ride what you love and enjoy the roads you love most. Great video, thanks for sharing.
I was soo close to swithing my 1250GS for the R1300GS, it is a really good bike and an upgrade from the 1250 in pretty much every way.. ... But could not resist the Ducati Multistrada V4 Rally.. What a dream to ride.. Buttery smooth Quick shifter which was my main complaint in both the 1250 and the 1300GS..
I know what u mean about the heart/feeling has to be in it. I owned a 2020 tracer 900GT, loved riding it, decided to change it to a transalp 750 in 2023 never had an adventure bike, but its not my thing. Which resulted in the lowest average km's in a year driven since i got my license. So i recently decided i'll trade it in for a new tracer 9 GT where my heart is at.
Well, I think you are right about most of what you say, especially the noise that the engine generates. I told you a few months ago that noise can indeed be a problem if you are looking for smooth running and ‘silence’. It is true that with 10 000 km the whole mechanics, and its noise, has softened and it doesn't seem as noisy as before (if the sound level meter doesn't lie, it has lowered some dB), nevertheless, personally I was expecting the smoothness that one expects from BMW (since in other models it can be enjoyed: in the 1250 engines and even more in the 1200). Maybe, in the next change of bike I will go for a 4 or 6 cylinders, although I will surely find some defects in it. Thanks for your comments, opinions and videos. Greetings from Catalonia!
Love your reviews! I just bought one yesterday and can't wait to take delivery of it next week. Coming from a Honda NX500, this is a huge upgrade in every aspect and checks all the boxes for me.
I sold a BMW R9T because when I walked into the Garage I wanted to ride my Guzzi. When it gets to the point that you are riding a bike because you think you ought to, rather than you want to, then it is time to part. No logic can fully explain the process ,don`t fight it ,just accept it and go with it. It will be different for everyone.
Same for me. I'd rather ride my Guzzi V11 sport than my tiger 1050. Even though the triumph is better in almost all areas - except the way it makes you feel when riding it. What guzzi have you got ?
I have a 1250 GS, it's my fourth GS and with my 1.75 m and short legs, the adaptive height control on this 1300 was a relief during a test ride. But I can't get used to the appearance of the bike. I even think about switching to a Triumph 900 GTPRO for the next motorcycle, but also the Africa Twin with DCT is one of the contenders. The Honda would be expensive service intervals I heard. I think I would miss the convenience of a shaft drive. The look of the Stelvio is also very nice.
I changed from a 1200gs LC to a Tiger Rally 900. Super nice bike with a premium feel and easy to ride. I am on my second Triumph and reliability is not an issue.
I’m the same as you with really short legs. The 900 GT Pro is much too high for me! Worse than 1300GS or 1290 Super Adventure which I really worship, but economically speaking, the AT is an honest offering
Moto Guzzi is really emotional bike, end imidiatly pair connection whit the machine and rider. That's I love Guzzi. I tested 1300 yearly this year and NO CONNECTION at all. Like a trolley 🚎, linear and empty soul. The new V85TT and Stelvio is superb unique, charmin an uncharacteristic, spesialy V85TT :)
Yes, this is the way to do it! You are intimately familiar with the product you comment on. The viewer learns a lot about you and about a bike. Both in a funny way. Thanks!
This is why I bought an Africa twin. I’ve tried the gs so many times and I’m not excited by it. Every thing is so easy. You look down and you’re going way faster then you think and I was worried I’d kill my self. I bought the Africa twin as the engine has way more character and you feel more involved. Some might see that as a negative but I like the excitement which the GS didn’t give me
Africa twin has probably the best engine in its category, nevermind being the best looking adv, yes the engine is not the most powerful but as you said it's so full of character and super punchy with best throttle response out there.
Well Scott you kept your word of selling the bike after a year. I do recall you saying that when you bought it that you would keep it for a year and then sell it. That noise issue is a very BIG ISSUE and I'm looking forward to it being addressed in future iteration of the bike
Nice work as always. I am with you. I prefer the feeling of sport tourers, even large ones like the RT. The only problem i have with them is that as a 6ft tall guy, the knee bend on the RT is too much. The 1300 RT will be interesting to see..
Nailed it. Exactly why I sold my 1250 gs after a year and went back to the Ducati Multistrada. No emotional attachment. It was simply a great functioning bike but I got bored riding it. To me there’s nothing like the sound and exhilaration of the Ducati, except maybe my 2024 road glide. 😅
How does a motorcycle speak to my soul & how do I feel when I ride it. How does it make me feel when I turn back and take another look as I’m walking away or just before turning out the light in the garage. Those answers are all I need.
Brilliant as usual Scott. You’ve hit the nail on the head. A motorcycle is an emotional purchase and what type of rider you are, where you’re going and how it’s going to be used all add to that. I have an emotional attachment to my GSA1250, 35k miles in 3 years, 30k with my wife on the back. Having said that, I’m divorcing my 1250 and replacing her with a new younger model, the GSA1300 😂
I've actually bought the Stelvio after test drive and seeing your review last week. Sadly the blinkers stopped working after 50km, so I'm waiting for the complaint to be resolved. But it is so much fun to ride compared to anything else, I cannot wait to get it back. 😀
Some inside scoop! - suspension travel increases to 149mm front and 158mm rear - significantly higher seat at 840-860mm - tank shrinks by a liter to 24l - slightly heavier at 281kg - rear tire is wider, 190/55R17 Official production start is February 2025.
A motorcycle must speak to your emotions! Looks, POWER, sound, fury....and yet competent in it's execution! I ride a '23 Tiger 1200 GT Pro for those reasons. Having ridden a 1200/1250 and toured Europe this year on a 1300GS, I find the boxer engines to be agricultural and uninspiring. The gearboxes...same.
Scott, this is an excellent video. I appreciate the way you focus on things like the annoying engine noise and excellent wind protection, which many reviewers would only glance over or not mention at all. And most importantly I appreciate your honesty at the end of the video regarding why you are selling it.
I am still very disappointed to see BMW premium bike with no backlit handlebar buttons and no Android/Apple connectivity. All the gizmos are surely enticing but they do add lots of expensive failure points.
Great video Scott , I have one and absolutely love it to bits , I can’t get enough of it , I guess we’re all different , I don’t miss my rt at all , and I thought I would. I can’t wait to get it over to Germany and France next year , also I think I’ll do a bit of moto camping , the roads her in the us are well quite frankly abysmal and the gs soaks all the surfaces up better than my rt did that is a huge huge advantage here in the uk , it’s unbelievable how such a populated country can have such awful awful road surfaces , the gs floats over them.i hope your wife is keeping ok, Tcshuss 👍
2025 Yamaha MT-09 Y-AMTI sold my Yamaha Ténéré 700 a while back, it was a nice bike, but I found it was just too top-heavy, and the front suspension was very soft. I got an excellent deal on a Suzuki SV650, which I only meant to keep hold of it for a year, but it's now getting on for three. The bike is so much fun, it brings a smile to my face every time I ride it, and the sound of that V-twin engine with a slip-on fitted is visceral. I once had a demo on a Tracer and around town it sounded like a sewing machine, but once you opened it up it on a motorway it sounded a lot better. I'm now waiting for the reviews on the 2025 Yamaha MT-09 Y-AMT.
Ah, yes, the SV650 effect! 😂 I bought one as my first bike (the carburated version or 1st Gen/Curvy) and planned to keep it for 1 or 2 years max. Since then it did Europe a few times and every time I ride it I cannot get enough. The moment that V-Twin ticks over, I have to ride it 😂. Sounds great, feels great! Now that I have (finally) reached the moment where I want an upgrade, I found myself looking for the Suzuki V-Twin again, most likely the V-Strom 650. Turns out (after trying several) big bikes are just not for me, and I want to stay in this middle size category (confy, light, cheap, economic)
4 years ago I swapped in a 2016 (white tank red frame) R1200R for my, then, 9 month old 2019 R1250GS Rallye TE with 900 miles on the clock. I always laugh as I said to the salesman I’ve had to drop the 1200R plus £8k for just 11hp increase. For me the 1200R was a brilliant bike but just too cramped for my 6’3” body. Try the GS you will be pleasantly surprised. My wife and I took it round France this summer for 1400 miles in the pouring rain. If she still liked the ride after weather like that then it was the right bike for me 👍🏻👍🏻
I come from trail riding (and still ride enduro.) Definitely, I own high connected emotion with my GS 1200..probably due to the adventure bike model & the riding position which I transfered from trail to GS.
I'd never take a bike that big, that heavy and that expensive off road. I used to fall off a lot! To me, light weight is king off road, and I'd compromise the road ability. As a pure road rider these days, I'd still buy something lighter and cheaper. Thinking of the Vstrom 800 re now.
Yes,....at least go test ride a V-Strom. You will very quickly fall in love with it. Cheaper, very reliable, lighter, ...and still a very pleasurable riding experience. My absolute dream bike was (and still is) the BMW GS [1200 years ago / 1250 past few years / and I will probably dream & drool at the 1300 GS]. But I have a few issues preventing me form getting that dream: I am more on the short side / a little shorter that average inseam. I am approaching 60 years of age and thought still very healthy, I am not as strong as I used to be and I just don't want to battle (or worry about battling) a big heavy bike. And finally...COST. Initial cost, service work/ repair work cost, insurance cost, part replacement cost, and all the cost for accessories. If you purchase a V-Strom, you will have so much more money to add any upgrade / accessory that you want to add ( and you will still be saving a huge amount of money). On my V-Strom, I quickly customized to my riding comfort: adding handlebar hight extender, hand brake position / different side mirrors including mirror extenders / adjusted gear shifter position in relation to the foot peg quite a bit ( similar adjustment on the rear brake peddle position ) / Givi Airflow adjustable windshield / replaced my seat with Comfort Seat [by Seat Concepts] / and I could go on and on. I cannot imagine being any happier now with a different motorcycle ( I had other motorcycles in the past, but this V-Strom going on 4 years now). Had no problems at all with it so far ( with the exception that my gear shifter came completely loose and detached from the gear connection rod making it impossible to change a gear. [I immediately pulled off the road and found that the positioning adjustment bolt came completely out of its threads because the 2 positioning locking bolts had come loose and allowed the bolt to slowly unthread/unscrew until it reach the end and came apart. Was able to fix it by hand temporarily until I could get home and properly torque the locking nuts on that adjustment bolt. And of course I now pre-check that part before riding]. Sorry for rambling on. I will always dream of and love the BMW GS motorcycles. Always will admire those beautiful machines so much. Sometimes its nice to just keep things a dream. I absolutely enjoy every single minute that I am riding my V-Strom. An excellent, all around bike.
@@cray1185 thanks for the ramble! My only concern with the Vstrom 800re are engine vibrations at highway speeds. The péage here in France is 130kph, 85mph, which seems to be the tingly point on reviews.
I am a rider for 30 yrs with hundreds of thousands miles experience. Owned many bikes but always choosy for what it is. Then I stopped riding for few years. In 2022 I planned to buy a new premium bike and start riding again. A GS was the one I got most recommendations for. But I test rode an XR as well because of the love of i4 engines and the sporty build. Never looked back. Happy owner of a 2022 S1000XR M Sport since. I am not into do it all bikes. I stay on the road and for me XR is a much better bike than a GS for that. I can understand why you chose RT over GS!
Nice video! As for your reasons to sell it, and as a former RT owner, I kinda get that. If, that is, one is leaning more in a sport touring direction. After two KTMs I traded #2 for a -22 1250GS spring this year. >13k done this far. I've have had GS before, so knew what I was getting into. Lost some offroad abilities vs KTM, plus some "Mr. Hyde capabilities", but that came as no surprise. The reason for departing from KTM, none of them caused any issues for me (and one did >55.000 fault free kilometers), was purely practical. For long distance touring, and in an inspired, whimsical moment, offroad and on gravel & dirt, the 1250 does the job better than most in its class. It is undoubtedly the Swiss army knife of motorcycles. Period. Performance-wise, the difference is not big enough to spend a wad on a 1300. So my motivation for abandoning what some claim is the best shiftcam generation engine, is nil. I know it'll run 2-300.000 km if I want it to. And as a motorcycle is an adventure tool (for me anyway) that prospect does even less to make me want to spend even more on an already excessively expensive hobby. if I change to something, I might go back to KTM 1290. Not the last generation (doesn't suit me), but the one before it. Or look towards the 1390. In the near future we'll know what the Austrians are up to. But comparing BMW and KTM is like comparing apples and oranges. Cheers :)
The 1300 is a new platform, so the issues will be plenty until they figure out all the quirks. The best time to buy a 1250 is now, the best time to buy a 1300 is when the 1350/1400 is announced.
After having had two GSA's (1200/1250), I've been considering where to go. Reason? Exactly what you mention: no emotion. And if the new 1300 doesn't stir emotions then I have my answer. The engine sound, the growl, the lack of any sensation (yes, even in the garage) will be the same with the new GSA. With that being said, the MS Rally certainly gets my attention (even if I need to reach deeper into the wallet). Thanks for the hones and refreshing insight. Tschüss!
Thanks for the video. Many mention the increased power and torque and the decreased weight of the R1300GS compared to the R1250GS. Few mention the additional weight variance of accessories and riders. More technology sometimes comes at a price that is not so apparent; the erosion of basic riding knowledge and ability. For me, the 1300 doesn't have anything more that I want ...
Always appreciate your intelligent remarks and those are the reasons why I switched from a 1250 GS (2021) after three years to a Hnda Africa Twin Adventure Sports 2024 (DCT 19"). Definitely a less refined vehicle but more "emotional" IMHO
Interesting vid Scott, thank you, I am 4 months into my R1300Gs ownership, coming off a 2019 DCT Africa Twin 1000, had that for 4 years, and loved the bike and even more the DCT... Why did I go to the BMW, well firstly age and strength and the adaptive ride hight, so lower and more stable at rest, and the best dash and info in the motorbike world, IMHO, lots of torque, shaft drive, and on it goes, the GS I had in 2004, first of the 1200s, was slim, trim, light and a beautiful bike to ride, I felt each year they got bigger, fatter, heavier and out of proportion, so the slim trimmed down 13 fitted my desires, and I absolutely love it, but want the new up and coming Auto clutch asap... Also have a 22my Moto Guzzi V85tt, which is a million miles away in difference and tech, but also love that for its simplicity and character full ride... All the best with your RT rides :). W
@@cascarification I prefer the V85tt in the city and shorter runs, a little smaller, and slower, easier to keep close to speed limits, comfortable and great fuel economy... The GS has much longer legs, faster, and built to do distance, around town it is a waist of all that energy :). All the best...
I had a several race bikes last being a 2011 ZX10R. I have way more fun on my 2022 R 1250 GS and I dont have to look over my shoulder for cops. Best part my wife enjoys touring on the GS. I thought about the RT but I want the bike to be rugged and be able to go off road and for that the GS is the only choice. My buddy has the 1300 Trophy and he absolutely loves it.
Haven’t heard the engine noise complaint. Mine is very bearable. It’s not the greatest thing, yes, but so important to the point of being a deal breaker…is new for me. I think that all the excellent features and characteristics of the 1300 GS overlap all the tiny wick points that the bike might have and this in special is one of that “family”. I love, above all that excellency that the bike is and performs, the engine breaking- which is adjustable!, of the bike and its power in torque wise, it is mind blowing. Love the looks and love the way it turns every biker into a better rider!
Hi Fernando, perhaps you have not seen these video I've done on the sound issue with the new motor: th-cam.com/video/SUwmPJuUEHQ/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/KbSqpm2RiUs/w-d-xo.html I mention the engine noise in several other 1300GS videos but never "focus" on the noise but it's always been there with this bike. I've heard from other owners that the noise varies from bike to bike but mine is one of the first bikes off the production line and is noisy. Since the initial run, I think they've done something to quiet it down but BMW has not said anything about it. take care, Scott
@@NothingToProve Hi Scott! Thanks, for your reply. I will watch the video you mentioned. Don’t get me wrong, I agree that BMW has a path to evolve on bettering the noise of the boxer motor which is one of the most reliable and agreeable engines to work and to use on a bike, but the Euro 5 and noise reduction policies play an essential role introducing more and more limitations in this particular field for all manufacturers. I’ve seen boxer motors running with a delicious sound but the majority of those are not legal or in conformity with the Norms and you know well how German people are. They like to do things well and by the book. Always…probably not all the People but a vast majority. So, I is what it is. Recently I’ve fallen in love with the K1600 GT. I saw every video I could about it before my decision and this bike that I’m in the Present enchanted with, is so very quiet but also so very rewarding…So, everything is a lot relative. Thanks dear friend for your kind attention. 👌🏻 Fernando Barros
There are better ones in other areas, this one isn't awesome in anything in particular. If you want vanilla, fine - most of us prefer a bit of spice in life.
At the moment I can’t like the look of the 1300, I’ve got the 1250 Exclusive TE 2021/22 and it just makes me smile when I enter the garage. Time may mellow my attitude though 🤷♂️ I had the 1300 as a courtesy bike for about 100 miles and it is a capable bike but luckily you can’t see it when you’re on it. I’m replacing my 1250 in March but I’m looking at Ducati Multi Strada, Honda Africa Twin and the triumph 1200 Tiger. I’ll be sad to leave BMW but this one’s not for me.
For many motorcyclists it is the heart that drives decisions, not the mind. There are many aspects to bikes that you can’t see on a spec sheet. If you try to compare only by the numbers you may miss out on many bikes that will give you an amazing experience worth any price you pay.
@@nielsmeer That is exactly the reason I bought a Triumph Speed 400 as a second bike. 40HP? Pfff ... and then you ride it; so much fun and easy to handle, looks good and affordable. Love that thing next to my BMW.
@@HumphreyvanLeeI have 5 bikes ranging from 22HP to 160HP. Each one pulls my heart in different ways. But when you try a bike & it feels like an appliance… cold, boring, competent, but no spirit, even if it checks all the boxes in a spreadsheet, it’s not the one to buy. I recently tried a MotoGuzzi V7. It’s not a very expensive bike, but I loved the character on it. Sure it’s less than 70HP, but it doesn’t matter, it had so much character it was a blast. I also tried the V100 and thought it was boring. It was smoother for sure, good handling, plenty of tech, but on my ride home it was the V7 I kept thinking of, not the V100.
@@nielsmeer Yeah that is true, but there is a limit in how much you can charge for a motorcycle, and if this things cost 50k very few hearts will take it, they are not there yet but I just think that BMW and Triumph prices are already completely out of hand, and that is not only bad for consumers but is open the door wide open to the Chinese that of course will completely take over the market.I really like your Chanel, please continue the good work.
Funny... I've had an rt and now a r1250gsa... The gsa just gets me so excited to ride and emotional... And I take it everywhere.. yes I can maybe the rt better in the street, but when the road turns to gravel, jeep trail, I can explore. Which I think is the difference from USA and Europe.
The bike is officially announced physically in my country, it looks so refreshing but 2 things that are not really convincing: - the shape looks like Ducati Hypermotard 2 gen model (821-939) with adventure mount headlights - the feeling and definition of adventure on this bike is no more, because the GS1200/1250 is forever grown in adventure riders, young and elderly
I can not imagine why anyone, not going ofroad, would choose the GS over the XR. Every ride on the XR, even in bad weather, ends with a big grin on my face. (I also have a K1300GT for winter use)
Him: The fit and finish (of the cockpit) is perfect. Me at very first glance: Why is the navigation off-center (and asymmetric too) like that?! That would disctract me 90% of my riding time.. : )
Excellent review. I also sold 1250 GSA. I did not know why because it was so good. But maybe you are right about no emotion, too perfect? Now I have Husqvarna 901 Expedition, it's smaller and more compact, fits to me perfect. Suspension is manual but excellent. I always drive adventure bikes and lots of gravel and off road.
I sold my GS1250 for the same reason. It was great but I felt nothing. I haven't ridden the Stelvio but I love the Mandello. I'd buy the R12 Nine t if it had protection.
I own a 2022 r1250gs. I've also put quite a few miles on a friends 1300. The subtle changes didn't excite me like they do you. The incremental changes in feel are quite small. Change for the sake of change. The 1250 doesn't need more power and it handles very well. Exceptionally well actually. Only time will tell the degree of resistance to change exists. For now at least you just don't see people trading in their older bikes for this one. Gs riders are a little older than most and kind of stubborn that way. Perhaps BMW shouldn't have made the older versions so well. When it works why fix it.
I still have my same 'old' 5 years old 2019 VFR800X Crossrunner, whilst you change bike every few months xD. Stelvio looks nice indeed. I myself would go for a Suzuki GSX8R or the 1000GT if I'd need duo riding. A nice 800cc is all what is needed. The 8R is so tempting.
Yes, it's always a challenge to understand your vibes. I have a Tuareg, which has more than enough power and emotions are not absent either. For the real deep feeling I recently bought a Softail - and it´s just the right mix now.
I really want to like this bike, but like you said it does not stir the soul. I tried a GS1250 and it was fine, didn't excite me either. I need to try the Africa Twin next.
Here in Brazil I tested both R1250 GS and recently the R1300 GS. They are not excinting motorbikes. Perhaps because they are too neutral, or the sound. The engine has no torque under 3000 rpm, then it's awake until 5000 rpm and become a monster above that. I chose a Tiger 1200 Rally Pro. More character and beauty. It's more comfortable too, more equiped and cheaper.
I recently sold my 1250 gs after 2 years. Nice bike but a bit souless. Going back to a t100 or t120, but wven the new versions of these bikes seem a bit more plastic than the 2014 t100 i had
I found the 1300 to be very uncomfortable in the seat and Rider Triangle. Also in Road mode too stiff, compared to my 1250 in road mode which is very plush. If I want my 1250 to be stiffer, I just switch the mode to Dynamic. Also, I found the 1300 to be MUCH more difficult to lift off the side stand. I'll keep my 1250!!
Interesting point about engine noise. I had a 2008 R1200GSA and traded it for a new 2013 R1200GA LC. The first obvious difference was the noise from the engine. Eventually I bought a GSA which certainly helped but what a retrograde step,
'22 1250 GSA here. Great touring bike, but leaning toward an RT before they change it. Don't know if I keep the GSA at the same time. Almost all my riding is on-road but it's nice to have suspension travel and not to worry about scratching paint on less than perfect roads.
First time watching your channel, but noticed you have the most American accent of any European I've encountered. I like the adventure bike, but like you stated, I think I'd rather ride something else for exhilaration. I do love Ducati motorbikes.
Thank you. That's because I'm from Michigan, born and raised for the first 40 years of my life 😊
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I have no big desire for heavy adventure bikes. My midway is the Tenere 700 and alike - Aprillia Tuareg or Ducati Desert X. Such bikes are for my riding style and universal needs like taking a passenger to travel, etc. But with more bucks in my pocket and the garage big enough, I would take something like BMW1300 for far touring travels with some gravels and forests on the way with my passenger.
Your reason for selling is exactly the reason why I went with a Multistrada V4S instead of this 1300 GS - I tested this one and didn't feel like giggling. But I also noticed the noise you mention, it's not good. Not good.
I can tell you out of experience that the mg v85 has much more emotion and charisma than a stelvio ;-) And when you are coming to your garage your heart will beat with more music.
So the next bike is the 1300GSA? It's so ugly it makes the 1300GS look good. The prices on used 1250GS here in the UK are amazing and a low-millage bike comes in at around 14k. Lots of money saving there.
Quite interesting. My Beemers are of the 1150 variety. I hate(d) Adv bikes. They are ugly, I'll never go off road and I'm a road race fan... However... I sold my RT and kept my GS. Funny enough because I feel the GS has much more character than the RT. Also I feel the boxer fits the GS much better than the RT. If I ever go for another touring bike it will be either the FJR or a BMW K series. 4 cilinders are a minimum for me on a touring bike. But for now, my GS, even though I never ever will go off road, fits the bill perfectly. Oh... I do keep a VFR 750 in the shed for a nice ride on a bike with a very smooth engine.
Any bike that's talked about as a distance machine has to also be measured in terms of fuel efficiency & service frequency & costs. As you say there are bikes that will beat the GS for bragging rights in terms of speed & road performance, like the Ducati, but they come at an ongoing higher $$ cost for service & fuel efficiency. Sometimes it's just apples and oranges.
i'm riding my 1250GS, was thinking about upgrading, but as soon as i heard that mower sound ..No 1300 GS here! Eventhough it can do anything way better but SOUND!!
I'm never going to "upgrade" from my 1250 GSA, but I understand why people love the 1300 GS. It's just more suitable for normal people - me being abnormal.
Strange nobody is mentioning the increased engine rattle noise coming from the fork cavity. I noticed a similar noise coming off thr 1200, when I first rode it, coming off a Kawasaki versys 650, but now I am used to it. KTM 890 is famous for rattling noises voming from the engine. Listening to the engine sound of an Africa Twin, I was surprised about valve chatter noise, also. The phenomenon of irritating noise is similar to a dripping sink tap in the middle of the night when you want to sleep. It is more perception, than an actual problem.
Triumph tiger 1200 has the same issue, i tested it and found the engine mechanical noise coming up from the forks UNBEARABLE. That, and the lack of low end torque compared to the boxer, made me not buy it. Got a new R1250 RT and couldn't be more happy, goven the fact that i also have other bikes that cover the 'emotional' side of riding
This will be my next bike, after several test drives I´m convicted, but I will stay one or some years more with my Honda NC750X DCT, hopping that the price tag will decrease lol
I am struggling with the engine noise on my 1300. The bike 🚴 s perfect for the two up riding we always do on the west coast of Canada. 🍁 am hoping that a change to a louder exhaust will mask this
Really interesting video and points. I bought one of the last shape 1250 gsa in blue , red and white and definitely get a great feeling when I open the garage . I totally get the emotional side . My previous bike was a ktm superadventure s and was brilliant to ride but quite unreliable which spoilt it for me .
I have r1200gs vstrom1050xt yamaha xt1200z. They are all the same genre, but the driving taste is different, so I ride them all. BMW is the most comfortable for traveling, but the driving taste and mechanical perfection are a little better for 1050xt. And it is the heaviest, but I feel that the touring aspect is a little better for xt1200z. I think a motorcycle is a fun toy.
"When I walk into my garage and see my RT and see this, I want to get on the RT and take it for a ride..." And THAT is enough reason to choose RT, by far the best bike ever.
Waitting for de RT 1300
I totally respect your view: "...RT, by far the best bike ever."
However, for me the Honda NC750X is a superior machine. It's all subjective.
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne also leaving my subjective opnion here, my Triumph Bonneville T120 is the best :)
Nah, my Harley Sportster is the best bike ever....or maybe my Speed Twin 1200 by far.
I'm on my 3rd GS; '05 R1200GS, '14 R1200GS and now a '22 R1250GSA. The GS has great handling on the road, is very comfortable on long North America ventures, and one can trundle off on any backcountry dirt, gravel, forest service road you want to expand your adventure. That is what adventure touring is all about for me, and the BMW GS is the best at it in my opinion. As just an average rider, am I going to take the big, loaded GS over some gnarly, technical, rock-crawling jeep track? No, not me, that is what my KTM 690 Enduro R is for. The GS's have allowed me to have 18 years of adventure touring bliss and I don't regret one dime of purchase, maintenance, or gear costs.
@@rhyswilliams254 As an owner of a ‘12 R1200GSA and previously a ‘97 F650GS and ‘98 R1100GS, I agree it’s been a great series. I test rode the R1300GS this past weekend though. I absolutely hated it. It was cramped, the motor was so quiet and smooth it had zero character. It felt more like an electric bike. I then tried the F900GS and absolutely loved it. If you’ve loved GSs in the past, the R1300 may not be for you, but the F900GS is pretty awesome!
@@nielsmeer Thanks nielsmeer, I will keep that in mind. I have seen some good reviews on the F900GS.
I was also extremely turned off by the noise coming through the front fairing a medium speed. So much so that I decided not the buy the bike and stay with my older GS. Good to see you mentioning it. All other reviewers have been silent on this.. Love your reviews
TG. Finally somebod mentioned the, by far, most anoing point.
I changed tires to Conti TA3, which are one of the quitest on the market.
But finally I gave up to this, so unhealthy, sound and sold the bike with 4.000 km. Nerve wrecking and emotionless.
THAT is the reason for me to sell the bike. The engine noise between 20 - 60 km/h is so horrible that it's really annoying. There is always a small, chugging diesel truck in your ear. An unpleasant metallic sound. I have no idea why nobody at BMW engineers noticed this. My wife's 1250 R, on the other hand, sounds warm, full and motivates you to ride fast. They are worlds apart.
@@kruisr7449I guess your wife’s bike is an older one - where sound/exhaust regulation were way less hard…
@@nur_johnny8713 Not really. The 2021 and the 2023 of the R 1250 R sounds the same. It is the new engine of the 1300. Yes the new engine is powerful and the Quickshifter fits far better in the new engine but the noise, omg, that's a real showstopper.
For years my BMW riding friends have said never buy the first of a new model BMW. They always let the paying customer iron out the faults.😂
That is the beautiful thing about motorcycles. You like what you like and you are not wrong. Enjoy what you have and go for the ride
Excellent review as always Scott. Toward the end of the video you talked about walking in your garage and looking at the GS and the unemotional attachment. I felt the same way with my 2022 R1250GS. The motorcycle was great and I loved the look of it. However, I decided to sell it and purchase a 2022 R1250RT and I absolutely love it. Like you, I have somewhat of an emotional attachment to the RT and enjoy it more every time I ride it. My RT is the same blue as yours and people always comment what a beautiful motorcycle it is. I just can't imagine any other sport touring motorcycle that I would like as well as the RT.
I have a 2017 1200 GS, I’ve never considered the newer shiny 1250 or now the 1300. I can’t imagine for the extra $$$ those bikes can do anything mine can’t with the exception of going a little faster. Someday, when she gives up the ghost I’ll look at new but honestly that 2017 has features that many other new ADV bikes don’t have.
This motor noise is really awful !
I have a 2022 GS-1250 Sport and I love it.
It has no annoying engine or valve noise at all.
I'll never trade it for the 1300.
I felt the same when I owned an R1250GS. No emotional attachment. Owned it less than a year, an excellent functional bike. I now ride an R1250RS, which feels so much better and makes me want to ride it.
The engine and drivetrain is pretty much the same - what makes it more emotional?
@@nur_johnny8713 I wish I could clearly define that for you, but since when has emotion been something that is easily definable and consistent for all people?.What I can say is a bike is far more than its drive train, and for me and the RS it starts with how the bike rides and handles, and the feeling of the ride. Plus there is nothing inherently ‘unemotinal’ about the boxer engine and shaft drive. It’s a cracking engine, one of the torquiest on the market.
@@MrBecksy2could you tell me what kind of fuel range you are getting with the RS?
@@gelul12 easily 200 miles.
I was really worried this was going to be a biased summary(as you intended to sell it). But, great to see you kept it honest and transparent. Me…I’m going with the Stelvio too 🤠
Steve a rino ?
I believe he's going with the Mandello!
I've owned a R1200RT for 4 years, drove it all around Europe, and without a doubt the RT was a great touring machine for long distance travelling. I traded it in for a R1250GS in '21 and have to say that I enjoy the GS more than the RT. The GS is more fun to ride, and I find it as good as the RT for long distance touring. The seat position is even slightly better for me as my knees are less bent than on the RT. I'm getting close to 50.000 km with the GS, after which I will traded it in for a new bike and most likely that will be a GS again. But I'll wait till all the 'childhood illnesses' are out of the 1300.
Somehow I love the bucket of bolts sound my 1250 gs makes and don’t sweat the scratches dings and scarfed up engine guards from dropping it off road. It’s like the truck you use for everything and quit worrying about it years ago.
I sold my '22 RT because of the louder engine noise. The new Triumph Tigers' are much quieter, and 1200 line-up are super nice! I have had many BMW's, and the Triumph is right there in all categories. And at 148 HP, they are super quick! I love mine!
Yeah the new one's are so sweet. But so are the old ones😬
Firstly, thanks for all your reviews - really appreciated. Regarding the GS - I think potential buyers need to think about what they need. Compare to a Moto Guzzi as you get so much character for so little and then decide if you really need anything else. Personally, I have a KTM1290 Adventure and thinking of moving to a Moto Guzzi V85TT 2024 model. I just do not need loads of gizmos and 150bhp. And yes, I tour Europe regularly covering 2000+ miles in a week.
Moto Guzzi sticks with you somehow… 3 in the Garage and counting. Got an 1250 GSA next to them and often times find myself looking at it somewhat in awe but then picking the Guzzi next to it for the ride 😅
Interesting assessment! I have a 2019 R1250GS & a 2019 R1250RT. I brought my GS first and absolutely loved it as it was my Swiss army knife do all bike. I brought the RT some 12 mths later and have grown to love it. It is now my go to bike and I find the GS sitting parked in the garage a lot as I tend to jump on the RT. I have a emotional attachment to the GS in that it is my dirt road camping machine but I find myself doing very little off seal riding these days & a pub room is a lot more comfortable and I don't need to lug around camping gear - hence take the RT. I found the 1300 engine nice but didn't warm to the sound of it, the 1250 sounds more raw! I am waiting for the new 1300 RT but if it comes out looking like the Leggo GSA I won't be going near it. Keep up the great reviews.
I have owned a 2008 R1200 GSA and loved it on the road, but not on the more difficult off-road trails in Colorado because of the weight. I do love my 2017 KTM 1090R for the lighter weight, 18/21 wheel set, powerful V-twin engine, great suspension, uses a key to start, and much fewer electronics the than the new KTM 890/1290 bikes. I completely agree with the comment below, ride what you love and enjoy the roads you love most. Great video, thanks for sharing.
I was soo close to swithing my 1250GS for the R1300GS, it is a really good bike and an upgrade from the 1250 in pretty much every way.. ... But could not resist the Ducati Multistrada V4 Rally.. What a dream to ride.. Buttery smooth Quick shifter which was my main complaint in both the 1250 and the 1300GS..
Excellent choice but $$$$
I know what u mean about the heart/feeling has to be in it. I owned a 2020 tracer 900GT, loved riding it, decided to change it to a transalp 750 in 2023 never had an adventure bike, but its not my thing. Which resulted in the lowest average km's in a year driven since i got my license. So i recently decided i'll trade it in for a new tracer 9 GT where my heart is at.
Only reason I traded in my tracer 9 GT with S10 because of my height and needed more leg room . I am 6.1 and 240lb
Well, I think you are right about most of what you say, especially the noise that the engine generates. I told you a few months ago that noise can indeed be a problem if you are looking for smooth running and ‘silence’.
It is true that with 10 000 km the whole mechanics, and its noise, has softened and it doesn't seem as noisy as before (if the sound level meter doesn't lie, it has lowered some dB), nevertheless, personally I was expecting the smoothness that one expects from BMW (since in other models it can be enjoyed: in the 1250 engines and even more in the 1200).
Maybe, in the next change of bike I will go for a 4 or 6 cylinders, although I will surely find some defects in it.
Thanks for your comments, opinions and videos.
Greetings from Catalonia!
Love your reviews! I just bought one yesterday and can't wait to take delivery of it next week. Coming from a Honda NX500, this is a huge upgrade in every aspect and checks all the boxes for me.
I sold a BMW R9T because when I walked into the Garage I wanted to ride my Guzzi.
When it gets to the point that you are riding a bike because you think you ought to, rather than you want to, then it is time to part.
No logic can fully explain the process ,don`t fight it ,just accept it and go with it.
It will be different for everyone.
Same for me. I'd rather ride my Guzzi V11 sport than my tiger 1050. Even though the triumph is better in almost all areas - except the way it makes you feel when riding it. What guzzi have you got ?
I have a 1250 GS, it's my fourth GS and with my 1.75 m and short legs, the adaptive height control on this 1300 was a relief during a test ride. But I can't get used to the appearance of the bike.
I even think about switching to a Triumph 900 GTPRO for the next motorcycle, but also the Africa Twin with DCT is one of the contenders. The Honda would be expensive service intervals I heard. I think I would miss the convenience of a shaft drive.
The look of the Stelvio is also very nice.
I changed from a 1200gs LC to a Tiger Rally 900. Super nice bike with a premium feel and easy to ride. I am on my second Triumph and reliability is not an issue.
@@atomicgrasshopper4391 I love the look of the 900, especially the grey one.
I’m the same as you with really short legs. The 900 GT Pro is much too high for me! Worse than 1300GS or 1290 Super Adventure which I really worship, but economically speaking, the AT is an honest offering
@@os6219 I think you mean that the 900 rally is to high:86 or 89 cm but the GTpro is 82 or 84 cm.
@@GSrijderRally Pro most evidently 😊
Moto Guzzi is really emotional bike, end imidiatly pair connection whit the machine and rider. That's I love Guzzi. I tested 1300 yearly this year and NO CONNECTION at all. Like a trolley 🚎, linear and empty soul. The new V85TT and Stelvio is superb unique, charmin an uncharacteristic, spesialy V85TT :)
I’m amazed that people have ridden a GSA1250 and did not become emotional inspired. Everything about that bike is emotional.
I have one from 2019, did not want to have one and now I am even emotional about it. Still liking and kicking my R1200RS
Sure, if you like cars...
Agreed
Crying because bankrupt ?
Emotional on a GS, said no one, ever.
Yes, this is the way to do it!
You are intimately familiar with the product you comment on. The viewer learns a lot about you and about a bike. Both in a funny way. Thanks!
It's been fascinating watching the progression of the reviews of the GS1300. Sort of an extended, sad sigh of the slightly disappointed.
This is why I bought an Africa twin. I’ve tried the gs so many times and I’m not excited by it. Every thing is so easy. You look down and you’re going way faster then you think and I was worried I’d kill my self. I bought the Africa twin as the engine has way more character and you feel more involved. Some might see that as a negative but I like the excitement which the GS didn’t give me
Africa twin has probably the best engine in its category, nevermind being the best looking adv, yes the engine is not the most powerful but as you said it's so full of character and super punchy with best throttle response out there.
I had new GS1150 back in 2001. Practical, Yes. Boring and Bland, Yes. Wouldn't buy another one.
Well Scott you kept your word of selling the bike after a year. I do recall you saying that when you bought it that you would keep it for a year and then sell it. That noise issue is a very BIG ISSUE and I'm looking forward to it being addressed in future iteration of the bike
Nice work as always. I am with you. I prefer the feeling of sport tourers, even large ones like the RT. The only problem i have with them is that as a 6ft tall guy, the knee bend on the RT is too much. The 1300 RT will be interesting to see..
Nailed it. Exactly why I sold my 1250 gs after a year and went back to the Ducati Multistrada. No emotional attachment. It was simply a great functioning bike but I got bored riding it. To me there’s nothing like the sound and exhilaration of the Ducati, except maybe my 2024 road glide. 😅
How does a motorcycle speak to my soul & how do I feel when I ride it. How does it make me feel when I turn back and take another look as I’m walking away or just before turning out the light in the garage. Those answers are all I need.
Absolutely 100% agree. Just traded my Ducati V4S Sport for R 1250RT which for reasons to me, I am much more emotionally connected with
Brilliant as usual Scott. You’ve hit the nail on the head. A motorcycle is an emotional purchase and what type of rider you are, where you’re going and how it’s going to be used all add to that. I have an emotional attachment to my GSA1250, 35k miles in 3 years, 30k with my wife on the back. Having said that, I’m divorcing my 1250 and replacing her with a new younger model, the GSA1300 😂
I've actually bought the Stelvio after test drive and seeing your review last week. Sadly the blinkers stopped working after 50km, so I'm waiting for the complaint to be resolved. But it is so much fun to ride compared to anything else, I cannot wait to get it back. 😀
I test rode one, would agree that it’s a great bike
Interesting Scott, you're more of an RT guy I get it, but at least your tried the 1300 GS
Thanks for the update really informative! Can't wait to hear from you about the upcoming R1300RT.
same here
Some inside scoop!
- suspension travel increases to 149mm front and 158mm rear - significantly higher seat at 840-860mm - tank shrinks by a liter to 24l - slightly heavier at 281kg - rear tire is wider, 190/55R17 Official production start is February 2025.
@@ericjames7680thx for the tips! Can't wait to see
A motorcycle must speak to your emotions! Looks, POWER, sound, fury....and yet competent in it's execution! I ride a '23 Tiger 1200 GT Pro for those reasons. Having ridden a 1200/1250 and toured Europe this year on a 1300GS, I find the boxer engines to be agricultural and uninspiring. The gearboxes...same.
Scott, this is an excellent video. I appreciate the way you focus on things like the annoying engine noise and excellent wind protection, which many reviewers would only glance over or not mention at all. And most importantly I appreciate your honesty at the end of the video regarding why you are selling it.
I am still very disappointed to see BMW premium bike with no backlit handlebar buttons and no Android/Apple connectivity. All the gizmos are surely enticing but they do add lots of expensive failure points.
Great video Scott , I have one and absolutely love it to bits , I can’t get enough of it , I guess we’re all different , I don’t miss my rt at all , and I thought I would. I can’t wait to get it over to Germany and France next year , also I think I’ll do a bit of moto camping , the roads her in the us are well quite frankly abysmal and the gs soaks all the surfaces up better than my rt did that is a huge huge advantage here in the uk , it’s unbelievable how such a populated country can have such awful awful road surfaces , the gs floats over them.i hope your wife is keeping ok, Tcshuss 👍
Another great review. The R1250RT is a fantastic bike. If I wanted to get another ADV , I'd probably choose the 1300
2025 Yamaha MT-09 Y-AMTI sold my Yamaha Ténéré 700 a while back, it was a nice bike, but I found it was just too top-heavy, and the front suspension was very soft. I got an excellent deal on a Suzuki SV650, which I only meant to keep hold of it for a year, but it's now getting on for three. The bike is so much fun, it brings a smile to my face every time I ride it, and the sound of that V-twin engine with a slip-on fitted is visceral. I once had a demo on a Tracer and around town it sounded like a sewing machine, but once you opened it up it on a motorway it sounded a lot better. I'm now waiting for the reviews on the 2025 Yamaha MT-09 Y-AMT.
Ah, yes, the SV650 effect! 😂 I bought one as my first bike (the carburated version or 1st Gen/Curvy) and planned to keep it for 1 or 2 years max. Since then it did Europe a few times and every time I ride it I cannot get enough. The moment that V-Twin ticks over, I have to ride it 😂. Sounds great, feels great!
Now that I have (finally) reached the moment where I want an upgrade, I found myself looking for the Suzuki V-Twin again, most likely the V-Strom 650. Turns out (after trying several) big bikes are just not for me, and I want to stay in this middle size category (confy, light, cheap, economic)
IIRC mamma liked the RT better. Currently I'm on a R1200R and I'm thinking for me the RT would hit my sweet spot better especially at my golden age
The R1200R i a nice bike.
4 years ago I swapped in a 2016 (white tank red frame) R1200R for my, then, 9 month old 2019 R1250GS Rallye TE with 900 miles on the clock.
I always laugh as I said to the salesman I’ve had to drop the 1200R plus £8k for just 11hp increase. For me the 1200R was a brilliant bike but just too cramped for my 6’3” body.
Try the GS you will be pleasantly surprised. My wife and I took it round France this summer for 1400 miles in the pouring rain. If she still liked the ride after weather like that then it was the right bike for me 👍🏻👍🏻
Paderborn..my favourite German town. I loved my time there. Great review of the bike and honest. Thank you.
Very good and honest presentation, thank you.
I come from trail riding (and still ride enduro.) Definitely, I own high connected emotion with my GS 1200..probably due to the adventure bike model & the riding position which I transfered from trail to GS.
If you like the character of the Stelvio and also like the RT sports-tourer dynamic ... a V100 Mandello?
I'd never take a bike that big, that heavy and that expensive off road. I used to fall off a lot! To me, light weight is king off road, and I'd compromise the road ability. As a pure road rider these days, I'd still buy something lighter and cheaper. Thinking of the Vstrom 800 re now.
Yes,....at least go test ride a V-Strom. You will very quickly fall in love with it. Cheaper, very reliable, lighter, ...and still a very pleasurable riding experience. My absolute dream bike was (and still is) the BMW GS [1200 years ago / 1250 past few years / and I will probably dream & drool at the 1300 GS]. But I have a few issues preventing me form getting that dream: I am more on the short side / a little shorter that average inseam. I am approaching 60 years of age and thought still very healthy, I am not as strong as I used to be and I just don't want to battle (or worry about battling) a big heavy bike. And finally...COST. Initial cost, service work/ repair work cost, insurance cost, part replacement cost, and all the cost for accessories. If you purchase a V-Strom, you will have so much more money to add any upgrade / accessory that you want to add ( and you will still be saving a huge amount of money). On my V-Strom, I quickly customized to my riding comfort: adding handlebar hight extender, hand brake position / different side mirrors including mirror extenders / adjusted gear shifter position in relation to the foot peg quite a bit ( similar adjustment on the rear brake peddle position ) / Givi Airflow adjustable windshield / replaced my seat with Comfort Seat [by Seat Concepts] / and I could go on and on. I cannot imagine being any happier now with a different motorcycle ( I had other motorcycles in the past, but this V-Strom going on 4 years now). Had no problems at all with it so far ( with the exception that my gear shifter came completely loose and detached from the gear connection rod making it impossible to change a gear. [I immediately pulled off the road and found that the positioning adjustment bolt came completely out of its threads because the 2 positioning locking bolts had come loose and allowed the bolt to slowly unthread/unscrew until it reach the end and came apart. Was able to fix it by hand temporarily until I could get home and properly torque the locking nuts on that adjustment bolt. And of course I now pre-check that part before riding]. Sorry for rambling on. I will always dream of and love the BMW GS motorcycles. Always will admire those beautiful machines so much. Sometimes its nice to just keep things a dream. I absolutely enjoy every single minute that I am riding my V-Strom. An excellent, all around bike.
@@cray1185 thanks for the ramble! My only concern with the Vstrom 800re are engine vibrations at highway speeds. The péage here in France is 130kph, 85mph, which seems to be the tingly point on reviews.
I am a rider for 30 yrs with hundreds of thousands miles experience. Owned many bikes but always choosy for what it is. Then I stopped riding for few years. In 2022 I planned to buy a new premium bike and start riding again. A GS was the one I got most recommendations for. But I test rode an XR as well because of the love of i4 engines and the sporty build. Never looked back. Happy owner of a 2022 S1000XR M Sport since. I am not into do it all bikes. I stay on the road and for me XR is a much better bike than a GS for that. I can understand why you chose RT over GS!
Nice video! As for your reasons to sell it, and as a former RT owner, I kinda get that. If, that is, one is leaning more in a sport touring direction.
After two KTMs I traded #2 for a -22 1250GS spring this year. >13k done this far. I've have had GS before, so knew what I was getting into. Lost some offroad abilities vs KTM, plus some "Mr. Hyde capabilities", but that came as no surprise.
The reason for departing from KTM, none of them caused any issues for me (and one did >55.000 fault free kilometers), was purely practical. For long distance touring, and in an inspired, whimsical moment, offroad and on gravel & dirt, the 1250 does the job better than most in its class. It is undoubtedly the Swiss army knife of motorcycles. Period.
Performance-wise, the difference is not big enough to spend a wad on a 1300. So my motivation for abandoning what some claim is the best shiftcam generation engine, is nil. I know it'll run 2-300.000 km if I want it to. And as a motorcycle is an adventure tool (for me anyway) that prospect does even less to make me want to spend even more on an already excessively expensive hobby.
if I change to something, I might go back to KTM 1290. Not the last generation (doesn't suit me), but the one before it. Or look towards the 1390. In the near future we'll know what the Austrians are up to. But comparing BMW and KTM is like comparing apples and oranges. Cheers :)
The 1300 is a new platform, so the issues will be plenty until they figure out all the quirks. The best time to buy a 1250 is now, the best time to buy a 1300 is when the 1350/1400 is announced.
After having had two GSA's (1200/1250), I've been considering where to go. Reason? Exactly what you mention: no emotion. And if the new 1300 doesn't stir emotions then I have my answer. The engine sound, the growl, the lack of any sensation (yes, even in the garage) will be the same with the new GSA. With that being said, the MS Rally certainly gets my attention (even if I need to reach deeper into the wallet). Thanks for the hones and refreshing insight. Tschüss!
Thanks for the video. Many mention the increased power and torque and the decreased weight of the R1300GS compared to the R1250GS. Few mention the additional weight variance of accessories and riders. More technology sometimes comes at a price that is not so apparent; the erosion of basic riding knowledge and ability. For me, the 1300 doesn't have anything more that I want ...
For the cost when looking at the 1250 for 25k vs the ATAS with DCT, I got the 24 model of the ATAS DCT. Love the bike and look forward to many miles.
Always appreciate your intelligent remarks and those are the reasons why I switched from a 1250 GS (2021) after three years to a Hnda Africa Twin Adventure Sports 2024 (DCT 19"). Definitely a less refined vehicle but more "emotional" IMHO
Yes...agreed, the AT motor has way more soul and character 👍👍
Interesting vid Scott, thank you, I am 4 months into my R1300Gs ownership, coming off a 2019 DCT Africa Twin 1000, had that for 4 years, and loved the bike and even more the DCT... Why did I go to the BMW, well firstly age and strength and the adaptive ride hight, so lower and more stable at rest, and the best dash and info in the motorbike world, IMHO, lots of torque, shaft drive, and on it goes, the GS I had in 2004, first of the 1200s, was slim, trim, light and a beautiful bike to ride, I felt each year they got bigger, fatter, heavier and out of proportion, so the slim trimmed down 13 fitted my desires, and I absolutely love it, but want the new up and coming Auto clutch asap... Also have a 22my Moto Guzzi V85tt, which is a million miles away in difference and tech, but also love that for its simplicity and character full ride... All the best with your RT rides :). W
Cuál es más ágil y fácil en cuidad para trayectos diarios ,la v85 tt o la BMW r1300gs?
Gracias de antemano .
@@cascarification I prefer the V85tt in the city and shorter runs, a little smaller, and slower, easier to keep close to speed limits, comfortable and great fuel economy...
The GS has much longer legs, faster, and built to do distance, around town it is a waist of all that energy :). All the best...
I had a several race bikes last being a 2011 ZX10R. I have way more fun on my 2022 R 1250 GS and I dont have to look over my shoulder for cops. Best part my wife enjoys touring on the GS. I thought about the RT but I want the bike to be rugged and be able to go off road and for that the GS is the only choice. My buddy has the 1300 Trophy and he absolutely loves it.
Haven’t heard the engine noise complaint. Mine is very bearable. It’s not the greatest thing, yes, but so important to the point of being a deal breaker…is new for me. I think that all the excellent features and characteristics of the 1300 GS overlap all the tiny wick points that the bike might have and this in special is one of that “family”. I love, above all that excellency that the bike is and performs, the engine breaking- which is adjustable!, of the bike and its power in torque wise, it is mind blowing. Love the looks and love the way it turns every biker into a better rider!
Hi Fernando, perhaps you have not seen these video I've done on the sound issue with the new motor:
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I mention the engine noise in several other 1300GS videos but never "focus" on the noise but it's always been there with this bike. I've heard from other owners that the noise varies from bike to bike but mine is one of the first bikes off the production line and is noisy. Since the initial run, I think they've done something to quiet it down but BMW has not said anything about it.
take care,
Scott
@@NothingToProve Hi Scott! Thanks, for your reply. I will watch the video you mentioned. Don’t get me wrong, I agree that BMW has a path to evolve on bettering the noise of the boxer motor which is one of the most reliable and agreeable engines to work and to use on a bike, but the Euro 5 and noise reduction policies play an essential role introducing more and more limitations in this particular field for all manufacturers. I’ve seen boxer motors running with a delicious sound but the majority of those are not legal or in conformity with the Norms and you know well how German people are. They like to do things well and by the book. Always…probably not all the People but a vast majority. So, I is what it is.
Recently I’ve fallen in love with the K1600 GT. I saw every video I could about it before my decision and this bike that I’m in the Present enchanted with, is so very quiet but also so very rewarding…So, everything is a lot relative. Thanks dear friend for your kind attention. 👌🏻
Fernando Barros
This is typical of BMW. For years they let the paying customer find all the faults of their motorcycles. I wouldn't buy one.
I have to think most of these comments are from people that don’t own a 1300.
It’s an awesome motorcycle, not selling mine.
Perhaps the comments are simply written by people who don’t have to justify buying an expensive elephant.
There are better ones in other areas, this one isn't awesome in anything in particular. If you want vanilla, fine - most of us prefer a bit of spice in life.
90% of comments under every 1300GS video come from 1250GS owners or other brand owners. The other 10% who actually own the bike usually love it.
At the moment I can’t like the look of the 1300, I’ve got the 1250 Exclusive TE 2021/22 and it just makes me smile when I enter the garage. Time may mellow my attitude though 🤷♂️ I had the 1300 as a courtesy bike for about 100 miles and it is a capable bike but luckily you can’t see it when you’re on it. I’m replacing my 1250 in March but I’m looking at Ducati Multi Strada, Honda Africa Twin and the triumph 1200 Tiger. I’ll be sad to leave BMW but this one’s not for me.
You are asking the wrong questions, the most important one is, is this the best value for money? , No , the Africa Twin is.
For many motorcyclists it is the heart that drives decisions, not the mind. There are many aspects to bikes that you can’t see on a spec sheet. If you try to compare only by the numbers you may miss out on many bikes that will give you an amazing experience worth any price you pay.
@@nielsmeer That is exactly the reason I bought a Triumph Speed 400 as a second bike. 40HP? Pfff ... and then you ride it; so much fun and easy to handle, looks good and affordable. Love that thing next to my BMW.
@@HumphreyvanLeeI have 5 bikes ranging from 22HP to 160HP. Each one pulls my heart in different ways. But when you try a bike & it feels like an appliance… cold, boring, competent, but no spirit, even if it checks all the boxes in a spreadsheet, it’s not the one to buy. I recently tried a MotoGuzzi V7. It’s not a very expensive bike, but I loved the character on it. Sure it’s less than 70HP, but it doesn’t matter, it had so much character it was a blast. I also tried the V100 and thought it was boring. It was smoother for sure, good handling, plenty of tech, but on my ride home it was the V7 I kept thinking of, not the V100.
@@nielsmeer Yeah that is true, but there is a limit in how much you can charge for a motorcycle, and if this things cost 50k very few hearts will take it, they are not there yet but I just think that BMW and Triumph prices are already completely out of hand, and that is not only bad for consumers but is open the door wide open to the Chinese that of course will completely take over the market.I really like your Chanel, please continue the good work.
Eh,no, the Suzuki 1050 is the best value.
Funny... I've had an rt and now a r1250gsa... The gsa just gets me so excited to ride and emotional... And I take it everywhere.. yes I can maybe the rt better in the street, but when the road turns to gravel, jeep trail, I can explore. Which I think is the difference from USA and Europe.
I take my RT on gravel and even two tracks all the time, no problem, don't need a GS to do that. Can even do that on a Harley 😊
Thank you for your honest opinion. I love this bike and I hope to be able to buy it as soon as possible, when my budget allows it.
Whichever way, you can't go wrong imo. Two great machines!
The bike is officially announced physically in my country, it looks so refreshing but 2 things that are not really convincing:
- the shape looks like Ducati Hypermotard 2 gen model (821-939) with adventure mount headlights
- the feeling and definition of adventure on this bike is no more, because the GS1200/1250 is forever grown in adventure riders, young and elderly
I can not imagine why anyone, not going ofroad, would choose the GS over the XR. Every ride on the XR, even in bad weather, ends with a big grin on my face. (I also have a K1300GT for winter use)
Yes please do comparison between RT vs GS 1300 and also GS vs Africa twin for daily road ride “commute” not off roads much appreciate your videos
Him: The fit and finish (of the cockpit) is perfect. Me at very first glance: Why is the navigation off-center (and asymmetric too) like that?! That would disctract me 90% of my riding time.. : )
For most of us our heart rules our head firstly then affordability takes over hence the african twin for me
I would strongly recommend the triumph tiger 1200 gt pro absolutely fantastic
Excellent review. I also sold 1250 GSA. I did not know why because it was so good. But maybe you are right about no emotion, too perfect? Now I have Husqvarna 901 Expedition, it's smaller and more compact, fits to me perfect. Suspension is manual but excellent. I always drive adventure bikes and lots of gravel and off road.
I sold my GS1250 for the same reason. It was great but I felt nothing. I haven't ridden the Stelvio but I love the Mandello. I'd buy the R12 Nine t if it had protection.
Good review!
I own a 2022 r1250gs. I've also put quite a few miles on a friends 1300. The subtle changes didn't excite me like they do you. The incremental changes in feel are quite small. Change for the sake of change. The 1250 doesn't need more power and it handles very well. Exceptionally well actually. Only time will tell the degree of resistance to change exists. For now at least you just don't see people trading in their older bikes for this one. Gs riders are a little older than most and kind of stubborn that way. Perhaps BMW shouldn't have made the older versions so well. When it works why fix it.
I still have my same 'old' 5 years old 2019 VFR800X Crossrunner, whilst you change bike every few months xD. Stelvio looks nice indeed. I myself would go for a Suzuki GSX8R or the 1000GT if I'd need duo riding. A nice 800cc is all what is needed. The 8R is so tempting.
VFR a fantastic and chronically underrated bike 👍 an “adventure” bike well ahead of its time imho
V strom 800🎉
Yes, it's always a challenge to understand your vibes. I have a Tuareg, which has more than enough power and emotions are not absent either. For the real deep feeling I recently bought a Softail - and it´s just the right mix now.
I really want to like this bike, but like you said it does not stir the soul. I tried a GS1250 and it was fine, didn't excite me either. I need to try the Africa Twin next.
Here in Brazil I tested both R1250 GS and recently the R1300 GS. They are not excinting motorbikes. Perhaps because they are too neutral, or the sound. The engine has no torque under 3000 rpm, then it's awake until 5000 rpm and become a monster above that.
I chose a Tiger 1200 Rally Pro. More character and beauty. It's more comfortable too, more equiped and cheaper.
I recently sold my 1250 gs after 2 years. Nice bike but a bit souless. Going back to a t100 or t120, but wven the new versions of these bikes seem a bit more plastic than the 2014 t100 i had
I found the 1300 to be very uncomfortable in the seat and Rider Triangle. Also in Road mode too stiff, compared to my 1250 in road mode which is very plush. If I want my 1250 to be stiffer, I just switch the mode to Dynamic. Also, I found the 1300 to be MUCH more difficult to lift off the side stand. I'll keep my 1250!!
Like your review. These bikes doesnt do anything more adventerous than middle weights except very negligible things it does better for twice the price
Interesting point about engine noise. I had a 2008 R1200GSA and traded it for a new 2013 R1200GA LC. The first obvious difference was the noise from the engine. Eventually I bought a GSA which certainly helped but what a retrograde step,
'22 1250 GSA here. Great touring bike, but leaning toward an RT before they change it. Don't know if I keep the GSA at the same time. Almost all my riding is on-road but it's nice to have suspension travel and not to worry about scratching paint on less than perfect roads.
First time watching your channel, but noticed you have the most American accent of any European I've encountered. I like the adventure bike, but like you stated, I think I'd rather ride something else for exhilaration. I do love Ducati motorbikes.
Thank you.
That's because I'm from Michigan, born and raised for the first 40 years of my life 😊
I have no big desire for heavy adventure bikes. My midway is the Tenere 700 and alike - Aprillia Tuareg or Ducati Desert X. Such bikes are for my riding style and universal needs like taking a passenger to travel, etc. But with more bucks in my pocket and the garage big enough, I would take something like BMW1300 for far touring travels with some gravels and forests on the way with my passenger.
Your reason for selling is exactly the reason why I went with a Multistrada V4S instead of this 1300 GS - I tested this one and didn't feel like giggling. But I also noticed the noise you mention, it's not good. Not good.
Honest opinion on the Bmw , difficult to find a bike with caractère today i like the Guzzi option also❤
I can tell you out of experience that the mg v85 has much more emotion and charisma than a stelvio ;-) And when you are coming to your garage your heart will beat with more music.
When I test rode a V85TT I came away disappointed. I had wanted one so much but at the end of the day it was so dull to ride.
@@davidmatthews3093 then you have not driven long enough ;-)
So the next bike is the 1300GSA? It's so ugly it makes the 1300GS look good. The prices on used 1250GS here in the UK are amazing and a low-millage bike comes in at around 14k. Lots of money saving there.
i was on the same but its not true. it looks ugly on pictures, yes, but in real life look really good.
Quite interesting. My Beemers are of the 1150 variety. I hate(d) Adv bikes. They are ugly, I'll never go off road and I'm a road race fan... However... I sold my RT and kept my GS. Funny enough because I feel the GS has much more character than the RT. Also I feel the boxer fits the GS much better than the RT. If I ever go for another touring bike it will be either the FJR or a BMW K series. 4 cilinders are a minimum for me on a touring bike. But for now, my GS, even though I never ever will go off road, fits the bill perfectly. Oh... I do keep a VFR 750 in the shed for a nice ride on a bike with a very smooth engine.
Any bike that's talked about as a distance machine has to also be measured in terms of fuel efficiency & service frequency & costs. As you say there are bikes that will beat the GS for bragging rights in terms of speed & road performance, like the Ducati, but they come at an ongoing higher $$ cost for service & fuel efficiency. Sometimes it's just apples and oranges.
i'm riding my 1250GS, was thinking about upgrading, but as soon as i heard that mower sound ..No 1300 GS here! Eventhough it can do anything way better but SOUND!!
No thanks. I love my old BMW R850R ❤ 2001 model i think. Love The BMW.
I'm never going to "upgrade" from my 1250 GSA, but I understand why people love the 1300 GS. It's just more suitable for normal people - me being abnormal.
Strange nobody is mentioning the increased engine rattle noise coming from the fork cavity. I noticed a similar noise coming off thr 1200, when I first rode it, coming off a Kawasaki versys 650, but now I am used to it. KTM 890 is famous for rattling noises voming from the engine. Listening to the engine sound of an Africa Twin, I was surprised about valve chatter noise, also. The phenomenon of irritating noise is similar to a dripping sink tap in the middle of the night when you want to sleep. It is more perception, than an actual problem.
"Strange", yes I did mention it. 16:40
You simply did not watch to the end. This IS the main reason why I'm selling it.
@@NothingToProveYes, I did hear you. I meant to say nobody except you. Sorry about that.
@@davidmallia628 Ah, ok, thanks for letting me know 😊😊
Triumph tiger 1200 has the same issue, i tested it and found the engine mechanical noise coming up from the forks UNBEARABLE. That, and the lack of low end torque compared to the boxer, made me not buy it. Got a new R1250 RT and couldn't be more happy, goven the fact that i also have other bikes that cover the 'emotional' side of riding
the guy has both RT and GS in his garage and we only dream of buying 1 of them some day (and may never succeed) :)
Great Christopher Walken impression by the way
This will be my next bike, after several test drives I´m convicted, but I will stay one or some years more with my Honda NC750X DCT, hopping that the price tag will decrease lol
I am struggling with the engine noise on my 1300. The bike 🚴 s perfect for the two up riding we always do on the west coast of Canada. 🍁 am hoping that a change to a louder exhaust will mask this
Great and honest review as always, best regards from The Low Countries!🇳🇱
Really interesting video and points. I bought one of the last shape 1250 gsa in blue , red and white and definitely get a great feeling when I open the garage . I totally get the emotional side . My previous bike was a ktm superadventure s and was brilliant to ride but quite unreliable which spoilt it for me .
I have r1200gs vstrom1050xt yamaha xt1200z. They are all the same genre, but the driving taste is different, so I ride them all. BMW is the most comfortable for traveling, but the driving taste and mechanical perfection are a little better for 1050xt. And it is the heaviest, but I feel that the touring aspect is a little better for xt1200z. I think a motorcycle is a fun toy.