The Spanish Princess Season 2 Episode 6 clip - Lawful
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- In Episode 6 (“The Field Of Cloth Of Gold”), A grand meeting in France forms the backdrop for a political clash of wits between Catherine and Wolsey - while back in London, rioting erupts.
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Do writers even know their own history? Like, what? Cathrine of Aragon - daughter of Isabel. Pope stood for her during her trial about divorce.
It is fictionalised. It’s based on a book with true and fake facts
Producers cannot even keep to the basic timeline!
French King died in 1515-that same year Mary(Queen of France) and Charles returned to England.
Future Mary I was born in 1516.
Evil May Day riots occurred in 1517.
Katherine's last pregnancy occurred in 1518(from about February to November, so she wouldn't be pregnant in 1517 when evil may day riots occurred).
Henry FitzRoy was born in 1519.
Field of Gold occurred in 1520.
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This is a basic timeline and they screwed it up.
Then also made up fictional warrior Queen(who in real life was more than 250 miles away from battle), fictional midwife, lady Margaret died in 1509-Empson and Dudley in 1510...(could she execute them from beyond the grave? I doubt that).
And Katherine had 4 premature births, she didn't lose the baby because of Flodden. She very likely had an eating disorder, plus her parents were very closely related and that huge infection after her first pregnancy could have done some long-term damage. But they skipped most of her pregnancies and instead had Catherine not take care of her only child for about 4 years?... What kind of shit mother would Katherine be, if she indeed fought in the battle, risking her child and if she ignored her child for 4 years?
It’s supposed to be historical fan fiction
@@kkandsims4612 Tell that to dozens of women who argued with me when I pointed she was never in any battle.
They kept stating that Katherine fought in that battle as if the trailer was the actual indisputable, historical source! And I am just mean hater, who hates empowered women...
This TV show convinced them that she was a warrior Queen, who saved England and Surrey's ass.
The reality was another way around!-Surrey saved England and Katherine's reputation because he managed to win against a greater Scottish force despite not getting reinforcements Katherine was supposed to organize. She did...about one month too late. Which makes her poor Regent and proves her military education was lacking...
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Indeed it is more historical fanfiction or parody, but their disclaimer doesn't clearly state that they changed about 99% of plotlines to fiction, twisting facts around.
'Changing some facts for entertainment value' isn't cutting it.
It's more like, some facts were left behind...in all this fiction!
It would be ok if most people realized it was fiction. But they don't. They believe it. They believe the warrior Queen nonsense, they believe that Henry insulted and belittled Surrey after Flodden(he was actually so grateful he made him duke!), they believe lady Margaret murdered Empson and Dudley(she died in 1509, they in 1510-how???How would she do it?), etc.
It amazes me how blindly can some accept such nonsense.
@@kkandsims4612 Well it isn't is it? This is a series about real people in history so it's not entirely fictitious even though this was probably the intention of the producers. The problem is that you have people on TH-cam who have seen the series who think that it is the literal truth especially angry feminists. These gullible fans perceive the series as truth without doing any historical research of their own. Well, they're either afraid of the truth and wish to remain in their fantasy bubble well go ahead. As for Katherine, No she was not a "warrior" Queen that fought in battle what nonsense.
This is so interesting to watch but it's very fake. Catherine of aragon was a very very respected queen of england. Loved by people and foreign countries. Literally every kingdom was putting their weight against their divorce even if that means getting king henry's wrath . Wolsey tried and tried and failed. He literally paid with his life for not getting a divorce for Henry. Henry made his own church to get a divorce.
Ikr
It's all cause the book is crap, as others of that author.
Honey, she wasn't that cool.
@@bloodymary8906 shut up mariam, she was wonderful
I think it’s funny cuz in the end the praises cardinal need Catharine is whole downfall was cuz he was so against her
Finally,a nice dress on Catherine.
And a little more accurate
I love her dresses after she became Queen
This is also an insult to Mary Tudor, whose legitimacy was never put into question and was considered a true prize in Europe. She was a very sought after princess until her parents’ divorce. I can’t believe Emma Frost is butchering COA & Mary I this way. It’s horrendous!
Mary Tudor's legitimacy WAS put into question by Francis I - not at the Field of Cloth of Gold...but previously when Henry broached the subject of marrying their children - his second son, the Duke of Orleans and Mary. His ambassador, the Bishop of Bayonne, refused to agree to the marriage because "he desired respite, to advise the king his master whether our daughter Mary was legitimate, in respect of the marriage which had formerly taken place between the Queen here and my brother, the late Prince Arthur" (Life of Wolsey, pg 117 - Life of Wolsey is a contemporary biography written by George Cavendish, one of his friends and covers the Blackfriars trial)
I thought as much cuz I watched a doc about how Henry calmed her is pearl and Mary was highly available Henry used her like a chip he betrothed her many times she was jus everything even when he got with Anne he still could not help himself he “ had a soft spot for her.” As he should she’s his first born his daughter I do feel like Henry has always been portrayed poorly when it comes to the death of cat and his daughter I mean clearly he treated them shitty when Anne come about but I did read a few historical facts about how he was truly upset with her death and did have a soft spot for Mary that’s why he was so fast to reconcile with her after Jane pushed them narrate I do think Anne treated mary horribly there was no need for it as Jane Anne of c and both Katharine treated Mary and Elisabeth kindly Elisabeth never had to go threw what Mary did although she had her own struggles
yes, and when she was reconciled with her father, she was considered the most important European Princess
@@kkandsims4612 Henry did not have a soft spot for Mary, he threatened her at every turn until she signed his supremacy bill. Then he started to be nice to her again. And some say Henry started questioning her legitimacy as early as 1520 when she was very young. Henry didn't reconcile with Mary until she gave into what he wanted. He wouldn't have treated Katharine so badly if she had given him what she wanted regarding the divorce. He treated Mary and Elizabeth horribly.
Actually, it raised many questions about Henry's choice to marry Catherine of Aragon. In history, when Henry first saw Catherine, she was pretty to him, but when he was 17 and became the new king of England. She was exotic, which sparked Henry's desire to marry his brother's widow. Catherine heavily sought in her letters and so-called affection for Henry. He was in love with his brother's widow. Many people were against Henry wanting to marry Catherine because she was 26 already, too old to bear children, or because she performed her wifely duties to his brother before his demise. Henry wanted to marry Catherine but agreed with his church and councilmen. They proposed that if Catherine of Aragon was a virgin, he had the right to marry Catherine. If not, then Henry has to marry someone young and untouched by anyone. Yet, in the end, he got the pope's approval and married Catherine. Yet their marriage became unhappy years later after the death and stillborn sons. England had become concerned and believed that God was punishing the Tudors over their reign, or it had something to do with Catherine's part because of the lack of sons and Henry's mistress who succeded in giving him sons. So, it was debatable whether it was a sin that Catherine lied that she was a virgin or if it was still considered a sin to marry your sibling's widowed spouse. To me, that is still not right to marry your sibling's widowers because it feels disrespectful of them or considered close enough to believe it is incest.
The historical inaccuracies are ridiculous but what do you expect, it’s Phillipa Gregory who basically writes fanfiction for the royals. She makes up things all the time and slanders people’s names with inaccuracies.
Thank you I as about to classify it as that she’s the brainiac whom put magic in the white queen and white princess did we really think the Spanish princess would be accurate . I mean lady I checked Elizabeth Woodville was no witch nor was her mother . Soooo are we all really shook that this George R.R Martin wanna be is history writing fan fiction .
I love finding others who dislike Gregory's sham work as much as me.
You can’t blame her for everything I’ve read her books and can tell you that philippa Gregory never went this far from historic fact yes she did take a few liberties no one is denying that but she did write about Henry and katherines happy marriage the only thing that I don’t believe in her book the constant princess is that the marriage between Katherine and Arthur was consummated and even then she gave a good reason (at least I think so you’re welcome to think otherwise) I actually really like her books and think they should have been more loyal to them my point is that the producers and writers of the show deserve more of the blame than Philippa does as she wrote it much more historically accurately than they show on the show Still a little different but mostly historically accurate
Thats exactly why I don’t take anything she writes seriously.
You can indeed only blame Emma Frost for TSP!! I haven't read PG's books yet but I know that in one she pretended Anne Boleyn to have been wiling to sleep with her brother to get a male heir for Henry. Adding drama is fine but if it goes this far... But that is 'The Other Boleyn Girl' and not this here
This show had so much potential. To show us how much Henry loved Catherine. Instead, they are treating this couple like he was with Anne. Do ppl forget he was married to her for over 20 yrs n LOVED her and their daughter Mary. They where a recognized married couple. What is going on?
I don’t know if we can say he LOVED them just because they were married for over 20 years. In those years, he was with Bessie Blout for 5 years, Mary Boleyn, Anne Francis and pursued/ was involved with Anne Boleyn for 7 years. He also treated Mary really badly when she didn’t accept his marriage to Anne.
I don't know if we can defiantly say he loved her since he started cheating on her pretty early in their marriage.
@@HBOMAXtvmoviesyoutube That was considered normal for Kings. It was more unusual for Kings not to have mistresses.
@@elisa1979 I get your point but, at the same time Henry's father never cheated on his mother and we know for a fact that Henry had the ability to stay faithful as he did with Anne Boleyn, I just think that instead of glorifying his relationships with any of his wives we should focus more on the women and how much Henry put them through. The reality is Henry was an asshole who didn't really have the ability to love.
Not entirely true history states he wasn't fateful to Catherine Bessie was one of many before Ane Bolyn. I agree how there going about it in the show is a bit too far through.
By the time Princess Mary was about 6 years old, as shown in this episode, Catherine was considered beyond her child-bearing years and was showing her age after all those difficult pregnancies, unlike this actress portraying her. That's one reason Henry was looking around for other "amusements" and realizing he would get no son from his current marriage. I also believe I read, in a nonfiction history of the Tudors, that it was a foreign country bringing up the validity of his marriage to Catherine, during negotiations about Mary, that may have put the initial idea in his head that he had grounds to divorce her. Bringing it up in this series is not totally out of line.
That is not true. Katherine was 37 when Mary was 6, so even by Tudor standards she could still have a child. And I know of Tudor noblewoman who had her last child aged about 42.
Problem was that after 1518, Katherine never conceived again and some historians based upon that and description of Henry VIII about how their marriage bed changed in the early 1520s, think she went through very early menopause shortly after 1518-at 33 or around that age.
Bear in mind that Elizabeth of York died from childbirth on her 37 birthday and a year before she told her husband that they were young enough to have more children.
Hence woman under 40 wouldn't be viewed as beyond her child-bearing years.
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Also Henry's affair with Bessie Blount is said to have started in either late 1514 or early 1515.
Just after Katherine and Henry spent about whole year arguing over Ferdinand betraying Henry. Katherine made excuses for her father and took his side(i think she had hard time accepting her father was not a good person, but somebody who used his own relatives for personal gain). Henry VIII was rightfully pissed at Ferdinand for what he did to him(instead of jointly attacking France, he took Navarre 1512 and left him hanging, making excuses that he will make up for it in 1513 but he never did) and no longer wanted Ferdinand as his ally. Henry didn't blame Katherine for her father's actions, but he certainly resented her for taking Ferdinand's side in this. And they argued a lot in 1514, and I mean a lot! By end of 1514 love and trust, he had for her, was gone. No more loving couple, but a toxic relationship with very poor communication(on both sides).
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Katherine's ageing and looks are disputable. Her admirers claimed for a long time she was the loveliest creature in the world. And with her skin being fair, her hair literally resembling gold(she had a darker shade of strawberry blond hair, not auburn. Red-gold in her period description confuses people thought) with blue eyes and pleasant features, she looked like saint or angel.
But on other hand, she was always chubby and after several years of pregnancies, she was fat.
In 1515 one ambassador called her 'rather ugly than otherwise', with her general looks being good, I don't see what else he could mean but her weight. And her weight just went up.
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That is why most people dwelling into the reason why her children died dismiss eating disorder theory. However, there is such thing called atypical anorexia, where a person suffers from anorexia, but have either normal weight or are overweight. Hence Katherine's weight doesn't rule out an eating disorder.
And honestly, when you look closely at her eating habits and details of her life and reproduction history, it is very likely she had an eating disorder. +huge infection after first pregnancy could cause some permanent damage(like making it harder to deliver babies full-term) and her parents were closely related(not just 2 cousins, but cousins many times over).
But it could be a combination of all three.
Many historians believe Katherine was capable of childbearing until 1525 (when she was around 40). She was only 34-35 when the Field of Cloth of Gold occurred, so she still considered of childbearing age.
It’s also important to remember that Elizabeth of York had her last child at 37 and Elizabeth Woodville at 42.
this princess Mary is boring.
In "The Tudors" she hited the Deauphin and Henry was smiling to her so proudly!!!!! Was the best moment of S1!!!
What?? Being the daughter of the King of England and the Spanish Princess, everyone wanted Mary's hand, this is ridiculous lmao
Princess Mary so cute she look like Henry with Katherine face shape 😭😭🥺🥺 .
Are you FREAKING kidding me?! i know of historic inaccuracies but this is total BS. If there was so much doubt on henry's marriage to catherine by other kingdoms ESPECIALLY the catholics of the time then he would have had his divorce ASAP and not go through so much hardships to obtain it.....where the hell these writers do their freaking research.
I think they had Francis say that to remind the audience that Katherine lied about not laying with Arthur.
@@miguelrafael9247 I pretty much doubt catherine would ever do that, she was a very religious person and wouldn't lie about something like that, just like she didn't a want a divorce because of fear of her soul.....that's how religious she was. And if she would have consummated the marriage and arthur died they would have sent her back to Spain instead of her enduring all those hardship nearly close to starvation.
It’s Philipa Gregory, she basically writes fanfiction.
Most of these scenes are stolen from Tudors anne/Henry scenes. So dumb.
@@AmethystEyes the sad part is that people actually believe this crap.
I'm confused, Princess Mary's legitimacy was never questioned
This show is ridiculous honestly. Catherine was a respected Queen. No one would ever have said such a thing.
Actually it shows how Catherine was strong and trying to be like her mother a lot. That was her mistake. She should not be like her mother. Instead she had to find another to be her own queenlike quality such as playing the part of an obedient and dutiful wife that would turn a blind eye on her husband's affairs. Realizing that if no son is born, her abilities to help England is failing. That is why she had to be overshadowed by her husband's victory and glory. As they said in history, behind every strong and power of a king there is a stronger and powerful of a queen.
It’s disgusting that the king asked her to spin around.
Show writers have never read history of Catherine of Aragorn
Its fictionalised show with some accurate facts and some is just fiction.
Yeah, I am a bit confused as well. I initially liked where season 2 was heading, but things have gone way off course. Henry and Catherine had their complications, but they both loved their daughter. And Mary was considered a legitimate princess until Henry years later decided she wasn't when she wouldn't accept that He was Supreme Head and that Anne was Queen. But even then, people still saw Mary as his true heir.
I remember reading scholarly works about when Mary was declared a bastard. No matter which side one was on, the impression I got was that Mary only conceded to Henry’s wishes whenever she was threatened.
They might as well have ripped this from S2 E6 of the Tudors when the French King refused to betroth his son to Elizabeth on account of her 'illegitimacy'....
The Tudors was inaccurate too
@@melissaherbst8300 Oh don't I just know it. I absolutely loathed it when they killed Chapuys off 11 years too early and some of the twists they put in Season 1 were questionable (the Margaret/Mary combination marrying the King of Portugal). I'm just finding it very suspicious that some of these scenes are very close to the Anne/Henry storyline in S2 with some direct quote lifts to boot. The writers just seem to have written a fiction of a fiction at this point but at least they can't behead this queen...just character assassinate her instead.
@@VeritasFilia I agree! Those were two things that really annoyed me too. Among many inaccuracies
@@melissaherbst8300 Think what you want about the Tudors, they didn't have a Georgian gatehouse clearly shown in several shots, and though they changed many facts(including making Henry VIII's sisters into one person, married to the wrong King, and killed Henry VIII's uncle 3 decades too early), they mostly based the plotline on historical sources-many clearly biased sources, but still actual historical sources from Henry VIII's lifetime.
Find one historical source from the period which claims Catherine of Aragon rode into a battle of Flodden, in pregnancy armor and saved Earl of Surrey's behind.
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Not even Peter Martyr d' Angliera, who contributes victory against Scots to her and her inspirational speech, doesn't state she was in the battle, nor in armor.
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And though Katherine arguing way more with Henry VIII wasn't shown in the Tudors(nor how much she was religious-though they hinted upon it), at least they showed that she could be nice and that she was actually polite and had manners! And she loved her daughter! It is clear from the scenes that mother and daughter were very close.
Katherine wasn't rude, entitled b who thought men walked the earth just to serve her and that going behind her husband's back was acceptable!
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The Spanish Princess gave Katherine huge fictional merits, but they also made her into an immoral horrible person. Horrible mother, horrible wife, horrible friend.
They actually make me feel sorry for Henry VIII. And for Mary. With how unstable and how horribly that woman acted by end of Season 2...I'd never allowed her to raise Mary if it was up to me.
Katherine of Aragon in The Tudors doesn't give out vibes-I am a crazy narcist or psycho.
Katherine of Aragon in The Spanish Princess does.
@@janehaylay1152 Having read the actual book this show is based on (The Constant Princess) by Philippa Gregory, I can safely say that in the (awful) BOOK, COA is everything you just said. The book is completely different. In the book she really is an immature bitch and her marriage with Arthur is a love match. In the book she only married Henry because Arthur made her promise she would when he died. She does not love Henry in the book (unlike the show) and therefore treats him (and sees him) as a bumbling misfit who was never meant to be king that she essentially uses to have power. In the show she actually loves Henry and is so deeply in love with him/concerned with his wellbeing so she isn't using him here. Also thankfully in the show you don't lose that emotional weight and aspect of her character. It isn't a perfect portrayal but I still liked and had sympathy for Catherine in TSP. The book skips over all their dead children except the first few and does not even mention Mary. In the book she even blames Maggie Pole for bringing her bad luck when her and Henry's first son died!! Trust me the show is leaps and bounds better than the awful book and actually enjoyable. I don't mean to offend, just my opinion. Plus in The Tudors (though I don't care for Anne Boleyn in real life) Anne was everything you said Catherine was in TSP. Cruel, arrogant, conniving, immature...Anne was terrible in The Tudors (and a rude entitled bitch.) Plus Anne in the Tudors honestly comes across as a narcissistic psycho. Though Natalie's performance was good. Are there parts of TSP I wish they had written better/differently? Of course, but I still really like the show, inaccuracies and all.
This is crap! The Pope sided with Catherine regarding her marriage to Henry! WTF is Emma Frost doing??? These historical inaccuracies are beyond insulting!
Did I just hear Henry say that Francis' father was Louis XII. Oh no...
I thought you misheard it at first, but then I went back and heard it again. WHAT. THE. FUCK!!! Are they not doing any basic research?! Louis was not Francis' father he was Queen Claude's father, and Francis' cousin! Jesus Christ, this is just as bad as 2x02 when Catherine called Charles her cousin, and said his father was Maximillian. When they LITERALLY acknowledged in previous episodes that he was her NEPHEW, and his father was PHILLIP NOT MAXIMILIAN. Either the writers made a typo and forgot to go back and fix it, or they truly don't know their history because it's simple things like this you shouldn't be messing up on. God this show is a mess.
@@itsyagirl6549 Yeah, I had to replay that when I first heard. Also, by that logic, what was the point of marrying Mary (Henry's sister) if Louis XII had a son already?
@@miguelrafael9247 EXACTLY! I'm telling you they either do not care about the historical inaccuracies, that can be easily avoided, or they didn't bother to do any research.
Technically that’d mean Francis was married to his sister since Claude was the daughter of Louis Xll 😳
@@itsyagirl6549 The Tudors was inaccurate right down to physical appearance of people
Louis XII wasn’t the father of Francis I, they were cousins I think. Louis was the father of Claude, Francis’s wife
yes, the director never pays attention to that~how could francis marry his own sister then
“All shall be well”
Me : Um Thomas... You do realise how this is going to end? You merely parting ways without your head ?🤔
Wosley was not beheaded. He died before he could be.
@@lexigrimhaive she talking about Thomas more who was beheaded
The fact they called King Louis as the father of King Francis is like saying The Great is a documentary. I mean The Great from the beginning makes everything comedic and understands the fact that it isn't serious, but The Spanish Princess has taken its "creative" spirit too far, it's become involuntarily comedic.
Philippa Gregory herself is a historical liar who portrays her work as being factual. This show is just following her spirit.
Everyone’s saying that the show is bad because the books are crap but half of those nonsense things doesn’t happen in the books. Coming from a person that read all the books from the “series” and actually enjoyed it, I can’t barely recognise Philippa’s work behind the show. The Spanish Princess is as inaccurate to the books (and of course HISTORY lol) as The Other Boleyn Girl movie
What is with their portrayals of French and Scottish people. It's so insulting. Like it's literally just the worst stereotypes. I guess this show doesn't understand that a drama doesn't have to demean other people for there to be plot or for it to be interesting.
Literally nothing about this clip is accurate. Only 2 seasons, like a dozen epsiodes and they already have Mary? Katherine was in her early 30s when Mary was born and Henry was in his late 20s. Yet this guy looks 16. What the absolute hell. Did no one read a history book before writing and casting this show?
But the actor is arond 30 years old though
Алиса Афонина He still looks 16.
Wait wait wait, your Father Louis?!!! Wtf!
this was an emotional episode - Catherine is seeing that her marriage could be in jeopardy
I mean, for a this show's inaccuracies, it's not inaccurate that Mary's legitimacy was questioned by the French. It was definitely done by the French ambassador and not Francis himself, though. (And, I'll be honest, if Charles V hadn't sacked Rome, the Pope probably would have granted Henry his annulment in a reasonable amount of time.)
Couldn't agree more. Sadly most people aren't even willing to accept Catherine wasn't in Flodden(was like 250 miles away) and actually done poorly as regent(she failed to sent Surrey any reinforcements, while Henry VIII managed to sent him reinforcements from continent).
Let alone rest of inaccuracies. I am getting tired updating my answer on quora for question if spanish princess is accurate depiction of CoA's life-because more and more inaccuracies keep coming. But rarely they have rather accurate moment.
I know I have to take into account that this was like 500 years ago but parading a child as a potential bride is just eurgh
That never happened. Just like in the "White Princess", Henry VII and Elizabeth of York never visited Spain to inspect Catherine of Aragon as a child .
@@GoGreen1977 This specific instance I dont know. However girls were married at a minimum age of 12 in the upper classes. And some had arranged marriages from birth. And were brought before possible suitors for inspection as children. So yes maybe didnt happen but it did happen
@@killerqueen4411 By proxy, yes. Mary would be a special case though and have a little more freedom than most of her generation.
This is so inaccurate it’s hilarious. I guess they’re writing the show like this for dramatic purposes but I find it to be harmful for persons who watch the shows and think this is what really happened.
I agree.. I just watch this for fun. So much is not accurate at all..
Well, there's a note at the end of every episode saying they did changed many things for dramatic value 😅
@@Laramaria2 yeah I always have that in mind. It only there for like 2sec tho 😅
@@ZeroTillHero true 😂
@@Laramaria2 like everything accept of names and outcomes...that's not many, that's almost everything 😅
Lol is this show serious? Mary was an attractive match for any royal house in europe. Not only was she a legitimate princess, but also the heir to the throne
French side(its ambassador) actually did question Mary's legitimacy, however, Spanish Princess is 99% of the time either partially wrong or totally. From Katherine as warrior Queen(she was nowhere near the battle), lady Margaret executing two ministers who actually died a year after she did, to Henry being ungrateful rude brat towards Surrey while in reality Surrey won Flodden on his own merit purely and for that, he was created Duke and was one of the most trusted men of Henry VIII's early reign.
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And I could go all day, I actually keep adding up to my answer on Quora regarding its inaccuracies, because they keep coming.
Timelines in season 2 are even worse than in season 1. Evil may day riots happened in 1517 when Mary was 1.
How time flies
This clip seems edited like we are missing context in the clip like it’s weird
Francis is just asking to be slapped.
I liked him better in the Tudors than here. At least he was polite.
Umm king Louis xii Was actually Francis’s his father-in-law not his father was Charles count of angouleme Louis the xii had no sons he had to marry his daughter Claude to him to keep the bloodline going
Bring the Spanish princess free episode 6 on TH-cam please.
I think the reason why Catherine wanted Mary to marry her nephew Charles is that if the worst comes to worst she will need protection since history often repeats that she begged her nephew to do something during her divorced and command the pope that Charles is the defender of their faiths. I think it did give Henry a lot of reason for being enemies to Spain that was passed down to Elizabeth I. Catherine did not realize that what she is asking from her nephew is that like every man they would abandon Catherine just like the last time when she first came to England to wed Arthur.
Where is Claude's baby bump?! She was right around seven months pregnant with Madeleine at the time of this summit!
I don't think a catholic king would question and disrespect the pope's decision.
so how many years just happen?
Google says their marriage lasted 24 years. Is this correct?
It is, yes.
I hope they know how mad they made ppl. I was so excited to see this but i wont be buying it now. I expect some drama but this is an insult.
Arranged ?? Story of mi life
this tv show keeps getting worst
Did everyone forget the Papal dispensation H VIII received in order to marry CoA?
can the English hear Catherine's Spanish accent?
I thought they were married for 24 years
Yes but after it was clear in 1513 that Ferdinand won't make it up for Henry(his lack of support in 1512 when they were jointly supposed to attack France and Ferdinand instead took Navarre), the relationship went downhill ever since. Because Katherine found it hard to accept her father was the bad guy, who betrayed her husband and she sided with Ferdinand and kept making excuses for him. And Henry was rightfully pissed at Ferdinand and wanted nothing more to do with Spain, and instead decided to make peace with France(Spain's enemy). I think Henry started to resent Catherine for siding with a man who betrayed him(on so many occasions, in so many arguments) and I don't think he ever truly forgave her.
That their relationship never returned to how it was before late 1513(loving and sweet, full of trust), instead it was cold and toxic. Mary's birth slightly improved things, but couldn't save already broken marriage.
After just 5 years of being married this relationship was bad! Rest of time, they just kept appearances.
The amount of people complaining about the accuracies presented in this show astounds me. It. Is. A. TV. Show. It’s supposed to be sensationalised and dramatic. Otherwise watching a twenty year marriage of two people just being in love would be really, really dull.
If you want historical accuracies go watch a documentary or something.
Even a documentary can be inaccurate. When the real story already has drama, it doesn’t have to be over sensationalized. End of story.
How old was catherine when they divorced?
i think 47, she died like 3 years later
Un nebun Henry ,nu putea fără divorț
Să trăiască cu alta
Everyone derides this (wonderful) series for historical inaccuracies. Yet act like The Tudors was MORE accurate. The Tudors was inaccurate with a lot of things, right down to physical appearance. Catherine of Aragon did not have black hair and the traditional Spanish appearance, Jonathan Rhys Meyers as handsome as he is looked nothing like Henry, Anne Boleyn did not have blue eyes and Natalie Dormer's heavier figure (NOT attacking Natalie, btw. But historically Anne Boleyn was taller and thinner than her), they did not even give Mary Tudor (Mary I) red hair...the list goes on. I even saw one comment saying this is the most inaccurate series they have ever seen!! I have to say it gets tiring.
:( Nobody is learning history from TSP. It is a great show with a great cast, though yes with some flaws. If people want accuracy they should stick to a textbook. And so tired of the constant deriding of Catherine of Aragon and constant Anne Boleyn worship. The real Anne was mean with a temper and a child abuser. She severely mistreated Mary Tudor along with Henry. Yet people act like she was an angel. It is honestly sickening. :( She was innocent of her charges when beheaded but that doesn't make her a good person. And Henry started being a jerk LONG before his jousting accident. He mistreated poor Catherine and Mary horrifically when he wanted to marry Anne. People keep saying the jousting accident is what caused his change in temperament. Sorry it is just annoying. :( Even in a story about Henry and Catherine people cannot stop going on about overrated evil Anne (and Anne Boleyn has been done to death.)
Who the hell ever derided Catherine of Aragon? Even back then, Anne Boleyn was seen as a whore by many people.
@@katydid917 Um I'm sorry...no need for profanity. And I'm talking about all the comments about TSP I've seen that can't wait for Anne to show up and complain nonstop about the show's emphasis on Catherine/how she is portrayed. Also I've seen MANY comments from a TH-cam user actually deriding the REAL COA on a lot of Spanish Princess clips (saying she killed her babies on purpose by fasting and how Henry was right to divorce her, etc.) and others chiming in agreeing with her and propping up Anne. It gets tiring
@@melissaherbst8300 I’ve communicated with that fellow user numerous times and they have been nothing but respectful despite their negative opinion on Catherine of Aragon. They have researched a great lot on the Tudors from what I’ve read from them.
I have always adored Catherine and Anne Boleyn, and it’s always hurtful to see others write negatively about a historical figure you love.
Everybody interprets history differently. We will never know what exactly happened because it was 500 years ago. Unlike today where potential people of future historical interest will have loads of information about themselves come from their own mouth. With Henry and his six wives, we get most of their information from other sources who might be biased or exaggerated. Of course, I don’t think Catherine “killed her babies”, she, like everyone else during that time, didn’t comprehend what could actually “kill” a baby.
There’s a popular Facebook page about Marie Queen of Scots that paints Elizabeth I in a bad light, yet all of their posts have been very, very researched and their theories aren’t comical or unrealistic as well. It’s just how they interpret or view of what they think happened.
Anne Boleyn has had a more negative reputation than COA, however. COA has been worshipped throughout history. In the 1800s, a teenaged Queen Victoria always mentioned how COA was “wronged the most” by Henry, even mentioning her when her advisor Melbourne forgot to mention COA when talking about Henry’s treatment of his wives. In all honesty, it hasn’t been since this show aired that I’ve seen negative opinions of COA. I’ve seen horrible, downright nasty things written and said about Anne Boleyn. Anne hasn’t even had a solo production of her since 1969’s Anne of the Thousand Days. (I don’t count the other Boleyn girl as one)
@portia madison You clearly need to do your research, Portia. Yes she did mistreat Mary and made her be Elizabeth's maid essentially when she was born. She verbally abused her too. She also ranted about her in rage fits many times and threatened to "curb her proud Spanish blood." Also she only offered to help her if Mary recognized her over her mother as queen. Also Anne alienated a lot of people with her temper. Anne even apologized to Mary when she was waiting to be executed. It is one of the main reasons Mary disliked her. Jane Seymour was loving toward her. And Katherine Parr
@portia madison I didn't say Natalie has a heavy figure. But Anne was smaller than her figure. I'm not attacking Natalie Dormer. I said as much in my original comment.
Historical inaccuracies aside... the costume and set is so cheap looking, cinematography's also crap