"the people are fake but their pain is real"....every time I watch this scene I can't help but burst out laughing at Michael sadistically torturing Chidi
I didn't see it as him Torturing Chidi, more so just trying to teach him. Chidi's major sin was indecision. The trolley problem is more so a paradox designed to question what is ethical in psychology. By changing the story/people in the situation the person would make a different choice. Such as choice between a brick wall killing everyone on board including yourself or switching tracks killing people of equal number.
@@nikushim6665 Oh he was definitely torturing Chidi, as it explains later on. But he did. learn from this experience, something I hadn't realized before. Michael was inadvertently teaching Chidi how to make decisions. He knew that Chidi was terrible at making decisions so he used it to "torture" him
Fun Fact, that's also what it says on Chidi's little prop trolley at the beginning of the episode when he's doing a small scale reconstruction of the trolley problem, they really don't miss any details lol
Sometimes I miss Michael when he was full on evil, I still love Michael now but still he was allot more sadistically enjoyable when he was still somewhat evil
@@blppt Nah, it’s okay to enjoy evil Michael more but I think the best scenes in this show come from his improvement and earnest attempt to be a good friend to the Soul Squad. Just fits the show and what it was really about more
@@jamaljames9331Micheal calls them cockroaches. Imagine a cockroach suddenly getting the ability to speak and explaining how it knows more than you do.
One Bearimy represents a complete cosmic cycle for humanity, from when we came down out of the trees until we stop existing as a species. Which, since we're not seeing anyone from Earth's 31st century talking about DisneyVenus® Vacation Club or self-replicating hamburgers or cybernetic butt implants... suggests our civilization doesn't last much beyond what is depicted in the show. Uh oh?
It's the subtle look of insecurity kicking in. Michael was very offended that a mortal was telling him he knew more about something than he did. Great acting on Ted Danson's part!
@@jamaljames9331 YES! ive been for someone to point this out, it was a small moment but it was very clear that he was offended. I thought i was the only one
There is a right answer, but it depends on which moral philosophy you use. However, some moral philosophies are better than others, which means with each tweak to the trolley problem there is a best answer.
The look on Michael’s face when Chidi says he just knows more than him is incredible. You know exactly what he’s going to, and it’s terrifying and hilarious.
This is my absolute favorite act in The Good Place. Two great lines come out of it: “Oh well that’s reassuring, because some of the parts of the fake people FLEW INTO MY MOUTH!” “Would someone’s foot really fly off their body like that? That was kinda cool!” Anyone catch the movie theater marquee? Strangers on a Train 😂
Strangers UNDER a Train, which is also nice foreshadowing about how Michael helped the Soul Squad hide from the Bad Place Demons. Also Bend It Like Bentham in reference to the Utilitarian philosopher.
The main thing "we learned here" when the guy asked was to remember that in real situations people likely won't get to make a decision at all because the situation is over before they can even begin to process what's happening. Choosing not to switch the tracks and it being too late to swith the tracks before you choose because you froze aren't the same thing.
It kinda connects later in the series when Micheal ends up arguing against the point system. He knew in practice that people had to make decisions quickly. He also knew the Chidi was in the bad place specifically because he didn't make decisions quickly in life.
I know Micheal was fucking with Chidi, but I can understand why he would actually do this. Sometimes putting something into practice is easier to understand than learning the theory
This is one of the best examples of why Chidi ended up in the Bad Place. I think despite the impossible odds, bro has a shot of going Good, but he just cannot shut up and make a decision.
Yeah, moral arguments seem really simple (of course I would choose the lesser evil...) until you face that situation in real life. Most people freeze when faced with choosing the fate of another, those that don't without being trained (soldiers, police etc.) usually have something wrong with their brains.
Its true. Psychopaths save lives. Sometimes we need people who are unemotional to deal with issues like these. There is even an ancient saying along the lines of a murderer having the potential to be a surgeon.
I hope this is a Dracula Dead and Loving It situation where they didn't know it would be so voluminous, and that outburst was half-in-character, half-out.
Fun fact: The “trolley” they’re riding is actually the historic cable car in San Francisco! You can ride one in SF today (and pretend to be Chidi having the worst time)
I was hoping he would switch the levers in such a way to have the front wheels go one way, and the back go the other. Potentially that would derail the train and have it avoid both tragedies.
Though this isn't how it's actually supposed to play out (because here the switches in the trolley and are not next to the track) it's still pretty good.
I’m actually on Michael’s side here. I really hate theoretical conundrums because you can construct any theoretical situation in whichever way you want to get whatever result you want and saying “there’s no right answer” utterly invalidates asking the question in the first place to me. Real people have made real decisions in such a way and putting up hypotheticals has a very intellectually snobbish mindset to me.
I personally don’t think it invalidates the question but it opens a discussion to explore the different concepts regarding morality and understand why people make certain choices over others. Sometimes there’s no need for a “right answer” the question and problem is still valid/ valuable without a definite answer
If it comes off as snobbish to you, then people have definitely not been exposing these hypotheticals to you properly. Chidi's explanation of "no right answer" is very evocative of how Chidi thinks. Because from a different perspective, there is no wrong answer. It's 100% metaphor, an absurd situation in a controlled environment where you have to disregard all sorts of context and variables to get the intended result. There's "no right answer" because it's not even really a question. It's a thought experiment that applies tangible objects to abstract concepts for the sake of better explaining them. Decisions are subjective. While any decision you make on the trolley problem is not "wrong," it exactly as "right" as the other answer, and it is up to you to make your priorities. The importance of application does not inherently invalidate conjecture as a topic of debate.
There's a branch of ethics called applied ethics where people do reason through particular concrete situations. Theoretical conundrums are just to clarify the ethical issues in a hypothetical controlled setting, like doing tests in a lab before you roll out drug trials on actual people or learning how to do geometry before you try to use it to create a building.
The whole point is that in moral philosophy, there is no "right" or "wrong" answer because nothing is ever completely right or wrong, there are merits and downsides to all possible answers. In this scenario if you decide to switch the track, it's right in that you save 5 people who would have died without your intervention, but it's wrong in that your actions have caused the death of another person who would have survived had you done nothing. The point of the question is to get people to discuss why they think the right of taking that action outweighs the wrong.
Welcome to the Trolley Problem, Chidi. Make this sadistic choice as you see fit. Just know that no matter what you choose, there will be blood on your hands...and the rest of your front.
the answer is very simple, if you pull the lever, you are a murderer. your logic in this video is difficult to watch, and contradicts itself constantly. if you pull the lever, you have decided to take life into your own hands, and the law agrees with this. if you intervene and pull the lever, you killed someone. if you do nothing, fate takes its course. the people who are in the way of the track die, like they were meant to by being in front of the track. we did this in my college class at penn state and everyone but me voted to pull the lever to shift the train onto the 1 person (killing them) and not just sit there and let it kill the 3 remember that the trolley problem is not “choose who to kill: 3 people or 1 person” like most people think. the trolley problem is “the train is heading along a track, and you can choose to intervene to shift the train to another track.” the trolley problem will try to throw you off of this principle by adding in things like “if you pull the lever you kill 1 fat person (or a convicted felon etc).” but no matter how the test tries to persuade you, you can’t give in. the people in the way of the track are not your responsibility, and every decision outside of refusing to pull the lever is a decision that you made about who deserves to live and who deserves to die. you can’t make that decision, so don’t pull the lever. you are only a murderer if you pull the lever. you are always innocent if you refuse to pull the lever, or refuse to push someone from the bridge. even the person who rightfully shoves the evil person off the bridge is a murderer. this is also how the trolly problem would likely turn out in real life. we subconsciously understand that the people in the way of the track have it coming, the person on the other track, or the bridge, is “innocent.” you are not a train conductor or responsible for any of this in any way. you are a witness do not pull the lever or you will go to jail, as you should. good luck using this trolley problem logic in court to a jury. you will be inevitably convicted
We're not talking about legality. We're talking about morality. Those are two very different things. If you're in a position to flip a switch and you choose not to, you've made a choice. Acting like you're above the problem, choosing not to be involved, you're still making a choice. You choice is just a cop out. You say the right to do is to never pull the lever even if you know the one person on the other track is fat or a felon or Adolf Hitler. But what if you know the people on the main track? What if it's your whole family? What if it's a bunch of school kids? Would you still say "never pull the lever"? Finally, in the highly unlikely event something like this happens, I seriously doubt you'd even be charged with a crime, let alone convicted. There's simply no intent. You're in a situation you didn't want to be in and your actions ahead of time couldn't have reasonably avoided the situation. The potential victims were not in danger because of anything you did ahead of time. You're trying to help, but your options are all bad. It's just that one (5 dead) is worse than the other (1 dead), so you choose the less bad option. Like I said, you're not going to be charged.
@@Michael-dy2lb there is a point when acting becomes more optimal, but that takes a while. for the scenarios given in the original problem, it is still morally and legally best to never pull the lever. i disagree that refusing to pull the lever to be a choice. remember: the track is not a Y shape where the two lanes must be decided and you must pull the lever. something predetermined is about to happen and you must decide to pull the lever to *change the reality.* you have no moral or legal obligation to pull the lever as a random person like yourself, just as you have no moral or legal obligation to stop a robbery that is happening right now in india. you cannot make a decision based on extraneous details like age or criminal history. if you pull the lever, you murdered someone. in the unlikely event this happens in real life, you would be charged with negligence or manslaughter because you are not a train conductor and pulling a lever could have made things worse. depending on how decent your lawyer is, it would be incredibly difficult to convince a jury that you, a random person, sized up a situation (people about to be hit by a train for messing around on a train track) and people who were safe working maintenance on another train thought that you would save the most people and pull the lever. (i gave that realistic scenario because that would be a reason why one person would foolishly be in front of a train track and someone else who wasn’t going to be hit would also be on a train track). if you walk away, you can live knowing you didn’t kill anyone. think about it like this, what mentally holds more weight long term? pulling the lever to kill someone on another track in an effort to save people? or not pulling the lever and watching people get hit by a train. you could watch people get hit by a train and not have trauma, but pulling a lever to kill any number of people? this moral weight you feel is from your conscience. it knows that the correct decision is inaction
What I hated about the trolley problem, it's only a theory, so I never felt bad about whatever choice I made. Making the theory into reality makes the moral dilemma a real dilemma.
I don’t think that trolley’s moving so fast that it would eviscerate the people it smacked like that. There might be some blood and they would probably die, especially if they got pulled under, but would they explode like a videogame npc?
"the people are fake but their pain is real"....every time I watch this scene I can't help but burst out laughing at Michael sadistically torturing Chidi
yea sometimes you never know how deep the statement was
he wasnt torturing chidi...
he was just trolleying him🤓
I didn't see it as him Torturing Chidi, more so just trying to teach him. Chidi's major sin was indecision. The trolley problem is more so a paradox designed to question what is ethical in psychology. By changing the story/people in the situation the person would make a different choice. Such as choice between a brick wall killing everyone on board including yourself or switching tracks killing people of equal number.
@@nikushim6665 Oh he was definitely torturing Chidi, as it explains later on. But he did. learn from this experience, something I hadn't realized before. Michael was inadvertently teaching Chidi how to make decisions. He knew that Chidi was terrible at making decisions so he used it to "torture" him
I don't understand how that could be true.
I like how both blood splatter are selective towards Chidi
I noticed that too, literally nobody else got splattered but Chidi 😂
Michael would enjoy being blood bathed, let’s be honest
LOL
That and the fact that there would be windows regardless on the front
you know someone off stage threw the blood at him, i like to imagine this BC its funny.
"The Ethic Express", Michael sure have a dark sense of humour.😂
Hollow well, he was a fire squid demon at the time
My favorite is strangers under a train
Fun Fact, that's also what it says on Chidi's little prop trolley at the beginning of the episode when he's doing a small scale reconstruction of the trolley problem, they really don't miss any details lol
I also love the movie titles on the marquis in the background, "strangers under a train" and "bend it like bentham"
They left out the best part where Chidi is a Doctor, and a little kid asks him to save her dad. A bad man smashed him with a trolley. 🤣🤣🤣
Sometimes I miss Michael when he was full on evil, I still love Michael now but still he was allot more sadistically enjoyable when he was still somewhat evil
Same with Eleanor. She was so much more fun when she was bad.
He was so much funnier when he was evil. I actually didn't like his character as much when he was honestly trying to get better.
@@ianstephenson9721 well she is also a bad mom.
@@carlosrivas1629 It took me a minute to get that
@@blppt Nah, it’s okay to enjoy evil Michael more but I think the best scenes in this show come from his improvement and earnest attempt to be a good friend to the Soul Squad. Just fits the show and what it was really about more
The evil grin on Michael's face at 0:30 is a good little clue that he's about to get his torture on!
i love all of the little clues that i’m just realizing we got that it was the bad place, but didn’t realize it when watching for the first time
I love Ted Danson’s subtle acting. Chidi really triggered Michael, and he was going to enjoy making him miserable
Did not notice that till your comment. Amazing!
@@jamaljames9331Micheal calls them cockroaches. Imagine a cockroach suddenly getting the ability to speak and explaining how it knows more than you do.
@@spamsntea3794This was season 2 though so they already knew I’m sure
Yes, because Jeremy Bearimy is so logical and concrete
It actually is because the afterlife is a wholly different plain of reality that never has to even remotely resemble our own
Because a year is concrete? Think about it...
The entire concept of time is a little abstract.
One Bearimy represents a complete cosmic cycle for humanity, from when we came down out of the trees until we stop existing as a species. Which, since we're not seeing anyone from Earth's 31st century talking about DisneyVenus® Vacation Club or self-replicating hamburgers or cybernetic butt implants... suggests our civilization doesn't last much beyond what is depicted in the show. Uh oh?
It is logical and concrete, just not from our point of view
To an eternal being like Michael or Janet, yes.
“Would someone’s foot really fly off their body like that? That was kinda cool!” God I love Kristen Bell so much ❤️
Ethically speaking
:30 Michael decides to give Chidi a little light torture.
That devilish smile as Chidi tells an immortal being that he knows more than him.
@@misinformedmarti that's why i hate chidi his arragonce
chidi can have little a torture :)
0:30 yw
he wasnt torturing chidi...
he was just trolleying him🤓
the sad thing is we were supposed to be learning about morality but all we ended up learning was never hire chidi as a motorman
I thought the lesson was to not speak or open your mouth on a speeding trolley that's about to hit one or a bunch of people xD
@@saruwatarisa well, that too
It’s called a “motorman” not a conductor
Or a surgeon.
2:44
Never noticed the movies playing in the background as the trolley rolls by... "Strangers under a train" and "Bend it like Bentham" lol
At 0:57 the theater is showing "Strangers under a train" and "Bend it like Bentham." So many hidden jokes in this show.
0:29 Michael slowly smiling in a terrifying way
It's the subtle look of insecurity kicking in. Michael was very offended that a mortal was telling him he knew more about something than he did. Great acting on Ted Danson's part!
I thought it was Michael thinking up a way to torment Chiti.
lightbulb moment
@@jamaljames9331 YES! ive been for someone to point this out, it was a small moment but it was very clear that he was offended. I thought i was the only one
I love the fact that Michael kind of uses Chidi Torture as a sort of stress relief for himself cuz its so easy XD
He's not even really torturing Chidi to be honest; Chidi just tortures himself so easily lol.
@@jkta97yea....he sets himself up
“Ethically speaking..” lol
FLEW INTO MY MOUTH
I like how this show got into moral philosophy to the depth that it did but also tried to tackle the "Can philosophy make you a sandwich" question
After rewatching this scene, I think it's painfully obvious that michael is trying to hold back laughter this whole time.
There is no right answer... the wisdom of Chidi
I love this show so much❤️
I hate chidis arragonce
chidi isn't arrogant
@@britta-perry-apologist I agree
But Eleanor is the answer
There is a right answer, but it depends on which moral philosophy you use. However, some moral philosophies are better than others, which means with each tweak to the trolley problem there is a best answer.
“They’re fake people, but their pain is real.”
As we are.
Oh how this show changed the face of comedy forever.
How?
@@diibadaa9502 It's outlandishly hilarious.
More subtle situational humor rather than characters trying to be funny like in some mediocre sitcoms
@@madtitan0825 Sounds like you're talking about a specific sitcom
@@gabriel_alemdoaquario I mean I’m not gonna point it out it’s just some shows tried too hard to cram in punchlines instead of focusing on story first
The look on Michael’s face when Chidi says he just knows more than him is incredible. You know exactly what he’s going to, and it’s terrifying and hilarious.
I love the smirk Michael gets on his face when Chidi says he knows more about human ethics than him.
"that was just tricky that's all why don't you just tell me the right answer" - me at my teachers
Did anyone else laugh when Chidi looked at Eleanor in the end? His face just killed me fr. 😂😂
This is my absolute favorite act in The Good Place. Two great lines come out of it:
“Oh well that’s reassuring, because some of the parts of the fake people FLEW INTO MY MOUTH!”
“Would someone’s foot really fly off their body like that? That was kinda cool!”
Anyone catch the movie theater marquee? Strangers on a Train 😂
Strangers UNDER a Train, which is also nice foreshadowing about how Michael helped the Soul Squad hide from the Bad Place Demons. Also Bend It Like Bentham in reference to the Utilitarian philosopher.
The main thing "we learned here" when the guy asked was to remember that in real situations people likely won't get to make a decision at all because the situation is over before they can even begin to process what's happening.
Choosing not to switch the tracks and it being too late to swith the tracks before you choose because you froze aren't the same thing.
It kinda connects later in the series when Micheal ends up arguing against the point system. He knew in practice that people had to make decisions quickly. He also knew the Chidi was in the bad place specifically because he didn't make decisions quickly in life.
I know Micheal was fucking with Chidi, but I can understand why he would actually do this. Sometimes putting something into practice is easier to understand than learning the theory
This is one of the best examples of why Chidi ended up in the Bad Place. I think despite the impossible odds, bro has a shot of going Good, but he just cannot shut up and make a decision.
I Love how this show is technically a thought experiment. Who’s really good and how do bad people deserve to be treated in the after life.
"Chidi?... talk it out, buddy" LMAO
Yeah, moral arguments seem really simple (of course I would choose the lesser evil...) until you face that situation in real life. Most people freeze when faced with choosing the fate of another, those that don't without being trained (soldiers, police etc.) usually have something wrong with their brains.
Its true. Psychopaths save lives. Sometimes we need people who are unemotional to deal with issues like these.
There is even an ancient saying along the lines of a murderer having the potential to be a surgeon.
To be honest I wouldn't even stand there, I would just run to avoid the whole thing
Multitrack drifting.
Kill em all.
Unbiased approach
His smile was like the excuse he needed to torture him hahhahah
i just love how chidi saying he knew more than him was almost like a challenge :D
I hope this is a Dracula Dead and Loving It situation where they didn't know it would be so voluminous, and that outburst was half-in-character, half-out.
0:28 after THIS look how did they not know what was coming 😂
At the 28s mark, Michael took it as an insult and smirked with an idea to pay Chidi back. The little details are amazing.
Chidi's screams are so amazing.
2:42 chidi priceless reaction
Fun fact: The “trolley” they’re riding is actually the historic cable car in San Francisco! You can ride one in SF today (and pretend to be Chidi having the worst time)
I was hoping he would switch the levers in such a way to have the front wheels go one way, and the back go the other. Potentially that would derail the train and have it avoid both tragedies.
Depending on a derailment and the speed of the trolley the passenger would be killed or badly injured.
@@jomarcentermjm Michael concluded that when he gave Eleanor the lapel with the judge. The solution is to sacrifice yourself.
"Oh, well that's reassuring. Because some of the parts of the fake people FLEW INTO MY MOUTH."
1:08 and just like that, Chidi’s indecision allowed him to murder five people.
At second 27 you can see Micheal grin when he figures out exactly how to torture Chidi
And this only part, but definitely a great example, why Michael is my favorite character.
Thought his good Janet is a very close second.
0:57 "strangers under a train" and "bend it like bentham" LOL
0:28 Michael thinking, "Oh, I'm gonna have some fuuuuuun..."
"So, what have we learned?"
"What people taste like?"
2:36
I love that line
1:28 I died here 🤣🤣🤣
Me too
I love Michael's face when he gets the idea to mess with Chidi
There is a right answer to the trolley problem in every variation.
Hands down my favorite episode. Its the best show e v e r
The slight pitch up is more noticeable, and more annoying, here.
Yeah, it's kinda hard to miss this time.
dodiswatchbobobo what does that mean ‘pitch up’
@@batgurrl the video is sped up slightly.
PartB okay thanks for the answer
Though this isn't how it's actually supposed to play out (because here the switches in the trolley and are not next to the track) it's still pretty good.
Honestly, now matter how twisted this is, it is hilarious.
Being ethical is so difficult.
“Would someone’s foot really fly off their body like that? That was kinda cool! 😃”
Ethically speaking
I’m actually on Michael’s side here. I really hate theoretical conundrums because you can construct any theoretical situation in whichever way you want to get whatever result you want and saying “there’s no right answer” utterly invalidates asking the question in the first place to me. Real people have made real decisions in such a way and putting up hypotheticals has a very intellectually snobbish mindset to me.
I personally don’t think it invalidates the question but it opens a discussion to explore the different concepts regarding morality and understand why people make certain choices over others.
Sometimes there’s no need for a “right answer” the question and problem is still valid/ valuable without a definite answer
If it comes off as snobbish to you, then people have definitely not been exposing these hypotheticals to you properly. Chidi's explanation of "no right answer" is very evocative of how Chidi thinks. Because from a different perspective, there is no wrong answer.
It's 100% metaphor, an absurd situation in a controlled environment where you have to disregard all sorts of context and variables to get the intended result. There's "no right answer" because it's not even really a question. It's a thought experiment that applies tangible objects to abstract concepts for the sake of better explaining them.
Decisions are subjective. While any decision you make on the trolley problem is not "wrong," it exactly as "right" as the other answer, and it is up to you to make your priorities.
The importance of application does not inherently invalidate conjecture as a topic of debate.
There's a branch of ethics called applied ethics where people do reason through particular concrete situations. Theoretical conundrums are just to clarify the ethical issues in a hypothetical controlled setting, like doing tests in a lab before you roll out drug trials on actual people or learning how to do geometry before you try to use it to create a building.
@@Delinae I'd say I'd far more enjoy that than any other school of thought, at least it's attempting to tie the process to a practical application.
The whole point is that in moral philosophy, there is no "right" or "wrong" answer because nothing is ever completely right or wrong, there are merits and downsides to all possible answers. In this scenario if you decide to switch the track, it's right in that you save 5 people who would have died without your intervention, but it's wrong in that your actions have caused the death of another person who would have survived had you done nothing. The point of the question is to get people to discuss why they think the right of taking that action outweighs the wrong.
The boot line always gets me
first of all..... the switches on the tracks are not controlled by the trolley "driver"
We learned that indecision is dangerous for everyone around. But none more than the people or thing you are aiming for.
Michael: “This is revenge for breaking me when you said I’d no longer exist!”
This is a godsend of a video to HS English teachers everywhere. So much fun. (Oh god, what does that say about us?)
2:22 this is what this feels like. thanks Voldemort
0:28 the moment Michael decided to torture Chidi
The trolly is on wheels and not actually on the tracks
Budgets
Such a good show!
I sometimes forget that Eleanor is a Disney Princess
Michael is just so hilarious!! 😄
Plus, the more you laugh in this scene, the more you tear up at its referring later!
This had me in tears and I think I may want to explore moral ethics this way...chuncks and all
Michael, amazing as always. You are genius.😊
The whole cast here are fascinating. Writers , producers.....
Top favorite scenes are this and the Jeremy Berimy
It just occured to me how Michael snaps to make things happen. Very Q, who I could see doing this sort of thing as well ;)
Aren't those the boots Chidi chose for Henry?
Considering all the takes they must have done, I bet that was a fun day for William Jackson Harper.
My philosophy teacher sent me this...
Best early episode! Top 5 scene in series! 🤣
i like how even when michael is trying to learn how to be good, he's still torturing the good place residents
This is the funniest scene EVER!
They should've resorted to _multi-track drifting_ though. My sister knows it well.
That was kind of cool! Ethically speaking.
This is so great.
This is awesome.
I would derail the trolley.
Anna should've used multi-track drifting.
...
Huh?
Welcome to the Trolley Problem, Chidi. Make this sadistic choice as you see fit. Just know that no matter what you choose, there will be blood on your hands...and the rest of your front.
y'all,, my critical thinking professor linked us this clip to help with a homework assignment
all of his study and doesn't see that his indecisiveness at trying to be perfectly moral causes more harm than good
chibi would just jump out of the trolley ergo not having made an decision. that's what i would've guessed.
the answer is very simple, if you pull the lever, you are a murderer. your logic in this video is difficult to watch, and contradicts itself constantly.
if you pull the lever, you have decided to take life into your own hands, and the law agrees with this. if you intervene and pull the lever, you killed someone. if you do nothing, fate takes its course. the people who are in the way of the track die, like they were meant to by being in front of the track.
we did this in my college class at penn state and everyone but me voted to pull the lever to shift the train onto the 1 person (killing them) and not just sit there and let it kill the 3
remember that the trolley problem is not “choose who to kill: 3 people or 1 person” like most people think. the trolley problem is “the train is heading along a track, and you can choose to intervene to shift the train to another track.”
the trolley problem will try to throw you off of this principle by adding in things like “if you pull the lever you kill 1 fat person (or a convicted felon etc).” but no matter how the test tries to persuade you, you can’t give in.
the people in the way of the track are not your responsibility, and every decision outside of refusing to pull the lever is a decision that you made about who deserves to live and who deserves to die. you can’t make that decision, so don’t pull the lever. you are only a murderer if you pull the lever. you are always innocent if you refuse to pull the lever, or refuse to push someone from the bridge. even the person who rightfully shoves the evil person off the bridge is a murderer. this is also how the trolly problem would likely turn out in real life. we subconsciously understand that the people in the way of the track have it coming, the person on the other track, or the bridge, is “innocent.” you are not a train conductor or responsible for any of this in any way. you are a witness
do not pull the lever or you will go to jail, as you should. good luck using this trolley problem logic in court to a jury. you will be inevitably convicted
I agree
We're not talking about legality. We're talking about morality. Those are two very different things.
If you're in a position to flip a switch and you choose not to, you've made a choice. Acting like you're above the problem, choosing not to be involved, you're still making a choice. You choice is just a cop out.
You say the right to do is to never pull the lever even if you know the one person on the other track is fat or a felon or Adolf Hitler. But what if you know the people on the main track? What if it's your whole family? What if it's a bunch of school kids? Would you still say "never pull the lever"?
Finally, in the highly unlikely event something like this happens, I seriously doubt you'd even be charged with a crime, let alone convicted. There's simply no intent. You're in a situation you didn't want to be in and your actions ahead of time couldn't have reasonably avoided the situation. The potential victims were not in danger because of anything you did ahead of time. You're trying to help, but your options are all bad. It's just that one (5 dead) is worse than the other (1 dead), so you choose the less bad option. Like I said, you're not going to be charged.
@@Michael-dy2lb there is a point when acting becomes more optimal, but that takes a while. for the scenarios given in the original problem, it is still morally and legally best to never pull the lever.
i disagree that refusing to pull the lever to be a choice. remember: the track is not a Y shape where the two lanes must be decided and you must pull the lever. something predetermined is about to happen and you must decide to pull the lever to *change the reality.*
you have no moral or legal obligation to pull the lever as a random person like yourself, just as you have no moral or legal obligation to stop a robbery that is happening right now in india. you cannot make a decision based on extraneous details like age or criminal history.
if you pull the lever, you murdered someone. in the unlikely event this happens in real life, you would be charged with negligence or manslaughter because you are not a train conductor and pulling a lever could have made things worse. depending on how decent your lawyer is, it would be incredibly difficult to convince a jury that you, a random person, sized up a situation (people about to be hit by a train for messing around on a train track) and people who were safe working maintenance on another train thought that you would save the most people and pull the lever. (i gave that realistic scenario because that would be a reason why one person would foolishly be in front of a train track and someone else who wasn’t going to be hit would also be on a train track). if you walk away, you can live knowing you didn’t kill anyone.
think about it like this, what mentally holds more weight long term? pulling the lever to kill someone on another track in an effort to save people? or not pulling the lever and watching people get hit by a train. you could watch people get hit by a train and not have trauma, but pulling a lever to kill any number of people? this moral weight you feel is from your conscience. it knows that the correct decision is inaction
2:43 THIS IS THE FUCKING FUNNIEST PART
My second favourite episode😂(my favourite is Janet(s))
What I hated about the trolley problem, it's only a theory, so I never felt bad about whatever choice I made. Making the theory into reality makes the moral dilemma a real dilemma.
That was gruesome
Why are their voices tuned upwards? They sound wrong in this clip.
I don’t think that trolley’s moving so fast that it would eviscerate the people it smacked like that. There might be some blood and they would probably die, especially if they got pulled under, but would they explode like a videogame npc?
We can hope.
This is still logical, the bodies would just go under and pop. Chidi gets all the blood from that low pop instead of body parts flying everywhere.
Hah take that Chidi!
Pretty sure them trollies have windows to block anything on coming 🤦♂️
NOICE trolley
Chidi seriously reminds me of a childhood friend of mine.