Exactly. You may look at rhythmic gymnast Caroline Weber (before 2012) and Melitina Staniouta (reversed version, with one more combination). She did that in almost all her routines before 2016
Simone added a new skill with 0.1 increase in difficulty. It’s the FIG that has become stale and predictable. They are the reason progress in gymnastics has stalled with their ridiculous system of deductions.
That is one way I like a wolf turn! That one has evolved! I did wolf turns in the 1960s and they are still performed the same way!!! Let’s get creative gals! No more plain wolf turns! Especially 2 in a row I don’t care how many you can throw!!!!!
Isn't it more easier without adding FHS as it's one more element, so gymnast can mess up it or not gain so much power/speed? I'm an amateur though, but for me front saltos are easier from running only rather than adding FHS...
@@demonsalwayswin I understand what you mean, but elite gymnasts have had so much practice doing front handsprings that they rarely mess them up. It's a lot like back handsprings, before you master your back handspring, it's easier to do a back tuck from a roundoff, but since elite gymnasts have perfected their back handspring, they gain more power from it instead of losing power.
I think the whole concept of different style spins on the same leg connected is missing yet can be beautiful and difficult. For example doing L-turns and lowering the leg into passé turns.
This is really popular in rhythmic gymnastics! One of my favorite turns ever is the cossack turn (wolf turn) to penche turn, which you can see in this video th-cam.com/video/RnlbAA8kKw0/w-d-xo.html at around 0:55. Really beautiful but requires so much strength and balance. I've also seen cossack/wolf turns that flow into scorpion and passe turns, back attitude and L-turns into passe turns and Y-split turns, etc. It would be amazing to see an artistic gymnast attempt something like that, but sadly many coaches do not put much emphasis on dance elements, even though I personally think they are just as flashy and difficult as tumbling skills.
Aliya Mustafina tried to connect an attitude turn into a double Y turn. She never fully hit it, but I think it could have been one of the most beautiful combos on one leg.
@@saitierus.5023 That was stunning from Staniouta - thank you for sharing that. Totally agree it would be amazing to see somebody attempt this sort of element - hopefully FIG encourages more dance with higher difficulty next quad.
@@You-dh1du Similar to this? See th-cam.com/video/zz2H5fTVkUw/w-d-xo.html at 0:45. It's an arabesque turn into Y turn, but it's similar. Literally perfectly executed, too.
Yes it has. It needs its artistry back. When i watch gymnastics from the 80's especially the old USSR, the extension is the most beautiful to watch. Id like to see all these world class gymnastics do a basic backwalker over on floor with full extension coming out up on releve, most would not be able to as flexibility is not as valued. There needs to be alot done, its to trick based at the moment. Id also like to see the leotards become a little more elegant, seems to be alot of arse hanging out these days.
Honesty?! Maybe it's not a big acrobatic skill OR rated very high (even though that looks REALLLLLY HARD to pull off gracefully!!!) Im LOVING the NGUYEN!!! I soooo want to see more gymnasts do this!! It's gorgeous! (And AGAIN- definitely deserves more points!) Like, how hard must it be to perform what looks almost like a FIGURE SKATING move on a 12x12m matted FLOOR?! I love it!
***unpopular opinion*** Part of me doesn’t hate when many gymnasts throw the same skills because it kind of makes it easier to see the differences of when something is performed well and when it’s not. Example: double pike dismount on beam, DTY on vault, etc
Interesting you should say that - that was exactly the point of compulsory exercises - to see everyone doing the same skills sorts the wheat from the chaff, essentially. These routines comprised skills that had to be done perfectly. Then you had the 'optional' routines, where the gymnast could show their 'special skills' in order to stand out from the crowd.
The Nguyen takes a page out of rhytmic gymnastics and add some elegance to the very usual and very routine wolf turn. Artistic gymnast should take a look more to rhythmic gymnast on how they pull a gorgeous wolf turn
The movement "The Dowell" looks a lot like "Dos Santos" presented in 2003 in the floor final of the World Gymnastics Championships by Brazilian Daiane dos Santos.
All rare, and most super difficult, but undervalued. Upping the D-score might encourage more gymnasts to try, but attempting a difficult skill for little payoff isn’t worth it. E.g., double front piked is the same difficulty as a double layout.
I'm doing a cat leap 1/1 in my NAIGC adults excel routine this year! Switch leap - cat full. I also do a wolf full, pike 180* shushanova. I'm all about the old school moves
@@airtonpaiva5389 A primeira vez que Daiane apresentou esse movimento foi em 2003 em uma copa do mundo. Inclusive foi o melhor Duplo Twist Esticado que ela apresentou até o fim da sua carreira.
If I'm not mistaken, one or two of the Romanian gymnasts performed the Cojocar during the Euros 2020 in Mersin, could be Stanciulescu, Duta, or Sfiringu.
Credited is probably a better term than created here. Viktoria Wagner was the first to actually attempt the front double pike all the way back in 2006 but never got it credited at Olympics/Worlds, and she did it without the FHS as well
The Nguyen is really pretty! I HATE wolf turns, but ending in that position is unique, and paired with good choreo would be lovely! It shows serious muscle control, strength, and balance.
Everything is so trick oriented that often form is lacking. I miss the old days when artistry and form counted for something. Now it's just connections & tricks.
Only in the National Association for Intercollegiate Gymnastics Clubs (NAIGC). In NAIGC, gymnasts can compete in the “Open Division,” where men can do any mixture of men’s and women’s events and vice versa. Some gymnasts even compete in the “Decathlon,” where men and women can attempt to compete all 10 events (6 men, 4 women) in one competition. It’s very impressive. You should try to find videos on TH-cam!
Can someone please explain to me what the ratings mean? I enjoy watching gymnastics but I know nothing about the technical elements or how competition scoring works
Interesting to say they created the skill even though the men had been performing them long before. There's no problem in saying they were the first to perform it, it's just as impressive.
Very boring and predictable. Watching a competition on TV, you’re looking literally to the same routines over and over, some with lil’ less difficulty than others but basically the same.
There's definitely some piking going on. We can all see that. Judges are much more critical (and fans are often also more critical) than they were nearly 20 years ago when she debuted the skill... they were still using the 10.0 system even. lol While you wouldn't see a gymnast perform it like that today, according the standards of her era she did a dos Santos II.
true, 2016 to 2021 was boring, i love floor event and i was disappointed by the level of the gymnast, to many (double tuck, turn wolf or simple tumbling pass to secured execution)
Has it become predictable and boring? Yes. All the gymnasts preform the same elements/demonstrate they have the required skills - and that's it. Then they get their points and a winner is established. Nothing new to see, here. May just as well read who won in the news.
Yes. If I see another wolf turn, I'm gonna go cray. Where are the Onodis? The skilled turns? The whip to triple twist? There is no artistry, just acrobatics...no flow. We need another Nastia Liukin or Mustafina/Komova/Grishina (or at least even a Huang Huidan or Gabby Douglas). Every bar routine is a carbon copy of each other...no one is going for difficult vaults as their default, just DTYs. Everything is muscled and sorry, but the girls are looking heavier than ever and it translates to the routines.
front tumbling in general over the last 15 years has gone out of style imo, i believe mostly because before gymnasts could lunge out of it, now they need to cold stick landings
Brenna Dowell didn't create the forward double pike, she got it named after herself. Here is Veronica Wagner competing it Euros in 2006 for example: th-cam.com/video/MYp_oRnses8/w-d-xo.html
The slow decline in the creative artistry of gymnastics has made it a bit predictable. I don't mind some power jumpers but it does come off as lacking a bit of grace.
The FIG has stripped gymnastics of all artistry, creativity, originality, and enjoyment. I don't even tune in anymore because they're not fun to watch anymore. Everything looks the same. Gymnastics routines in the 70's to early 90's were way more fun and more interesting to watch.
Just to clarify: Brenna Dowell had been competing the Double Front Piked since 2013, but only submitted it at the 2015 World Championships.
She did submit it at 2013 Worlds after podium training but never got to compete it bc USAG made her an alternate so McKayla could do the all-around.
@@candycoatedoom She wouldn’t have competed on floor anyway though, Maroney was national champ on floor. Dowell only lost bars/beam chance.
I know Brenna. Excited to see her here.
The Nguyen is actually an aesthetically beautiful skill and can be smartly incorporated with a beautiful choreography.
Agreed
Exactly. You may look at rhythmic gymnast Caroline Weber (before 2012) and Melitina Staniouta (reversed version, with one more combination). She did that in almost all her routines before 2016
I looooove the Nguyen, wish more gymnasts would use it. It helps make a wolf turn palatable.
Chelsie’s form one the Dosantos II is amazing.
When Chelsie performed the dos Santos II?
@@kelsonbarbosaferreira292 in training, it appears on the video
@@kelsonbarbosaferreira292 at 1:40 it is Chelsie training that skill. In my opinion, it seems quite possible that she can take it to competition.
Ela nunca vai conseguir fazer ele e muito menos o biles ela so posta vídeo treinando elementos impossíveis pra chamar atenção 😁 skKksksksksksk tadinha
I miss her gymnastics so much. I feel like she had a grace in her power that a lot of people don't have. I guess thats technique huh?? 😄
Not just boring but also less artistic and really well executed with big fluid confidence specially on beam.
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Simone added a new skill with 0.1 increase in difficulty. It’s the FIG that has become stale and predictable. They are the reason progress in gymnastics has stalled with their ridiculous system of deductions.
Dos Santos II it's majesticccccc 🙌🏻
That is one way I like a wolf turn! That one has evolved! I did wolf turns in the 1960s and they are still performed the same way!!! Let’s get creative gals! No more plain wolf turns! Especially 2 in a row I don’t care how many you can throw!!!!!
I believe in the next quad they will not allow same type turns anymore, so no more two wolf turns in the same routine
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I miss seeing Shushunova's on floor! One of my favourite skills and it always added something extra to a floor routine
They were the best!!
My personal favorite is the Dowell. It's amazing to see that some gymnasts can perform the skill without a front handspring.
Isn't it more easier without adding FHS as it's one more element, so gymnast can mess up it or not gain so much power/speed? I'm an amateur though, but for me front saltos are easier from running only rather than adding FHS...
@@demonsalwayswin Pretty sure FHS gives momentum so the gymnast can get the salto around easier.
@@demonsalwayswin I understand what you mean, but elite gymnasts have had so much practice doing front handsprings that they rarely mess them up. It's a lot like back handsprings, before you master your back handspring, it's easier to do a back tuck from a roundoff, but since elite gymnasts have perfected their back handspring, they gain more power from it instead of losing power.
I love Nguyen (seems undervalued to me) and Dowell (Carofiglio performs it perfectly).
Very good video!
Do Santos II is extremely dangerous since it’s a blind landing
I think the same. It has higher difficult than any simone's pass ... My opinión
I think the whole concept of different style spins on the same leg connected is missing yet can be beautiful and difficult. For example doing L-turns and lowering the leg into passé turns.
This is really popular in rhythmic gymnastics! One of my favorite turns ever is the cossack turn (wolf turn) to penche turn, which you can see in this video th-cam.com/video/RnlbAA8kKw0/w-d-xo.html at around 0:55. Really beautiful but requires so much strength and balance. I've also seen cossack/wolf turns that flow into scorpion and passe turns, back attitude and L-turns into passe turns and Y-split turns, etc. It would be amazing to see an artistic gymnast attempt something like that, but sadly many coaches do not put much emphasis on dance elements, even though I personally think they are just as flashy and difficult as tumbling skills.
Aliya Mustafina tried to connect an attitude turn into a double Y turn. She never fully hit it, but I think it could have been one of the most beautiful combos on one leg.
@@saitierus.5023 That was stunning from Staniouta - thank you for sharing that. Totally agree it would be amazing to see somebody attempt this sort of element - hopefully FIG encourages more dance with higher difficulty next quad.
@@You-dh1du Similar to this? See th-cam.com/video/zz2H5fTVkUw/w-d-xo.html at 0:45. It's an arabesque turn into Y turn, but it's similar. Literally perfectly executed, too.
@@saitierus.5023 OMG YES!!!
Yes it has. It needs its artistry back. When i watch gymnastics from the 80's especially the old USSR, the extension is the most beautiful to watch. Id like to see all these world class gymnastics do a basic backwalker over on floor with full extension coming out up on releve, most would not be able to as flexibility is not as valued. There needs to be alot done, its to trick based at the moment. Id also like to see the leotards become a little more elegant, seems to be alot of arse hanging out these days.
I miss interesting beam mounts, really technical bar releases and so much more. It’s so incredibly predictable nowadays.
Loved Desiree Carofiglio's Dowell at 2019 wolrlds!
Wow, the Dos Santos II is so gorgeous but probably so dangerous.
The Dos Santos II should honestly be higher rated than the triple double
Definitely
The Nguyen is my favorite.
Same!!
Me too.
The only wolf turn that is acceptable lol
Honesty?! Maybe it's not a big acrobatic skill OR rated very high (even though that looks REALLLLLY HARD to pull off gracefully!!!)
Im LOVING the NGUYEN!!!
I soooo want to see more gymnasts do this!! It's gorgeous! (And AGAIN- definitely deserves more points!)
Like, how hard must it be to perform what looks almost like a FIGURE SKATING move on a 12x12m matted FLOOR?! I love it!
Love that Nyugen (like an iceskater) and the flying stretched position (DOS SANTOS II)
***unpopular opinion***
Part of me doesn’t hate when many gymnasts throw the same skills because it kind of makes it easier to see the differences of when something is performed well and when it’s not.
Example: double pike dismount on beam, DTY on vault, etc
Interesting you should say that - that was exactly the point of compulsory exercises - to see everyone doing the same skills sorts the wheat from the chaff, essentially. These routines comprised skills that had to be done perfectly. Then you had the 'optional' routines, where the gymnast could show their 'special skills' in order to stand out from the crowd.
The dos santos II is so spectacular!
The Nguyen takes a page out of rhytmic gymnastics and add some elegance to the very usual and very routine wolf turn.
Artistic gymnast should take a look more to rhythmic gymnast on how they pull a gorgeous wolf turn
I performed a thomas salto , roll-outs , and back to back tumbles I am still practising these skills
The movement "The Dowell" looks a lot like "Dos Santos" presented in 2003 in the floor final of the World Gymnastics Championships by Brazilian Daiane dos Santos.
I love Dos Santos II
All rare, and most super difficult, but undervalued. Upping the D-score might encourage more gymnasts to try, but attempting a difficult skill for little payoff isn’t worth it. E.g., double front piked is the same difficulty as a double layout.
I'm doing a cat leap 1/1 in my NAIGC adults excel routine this year! Switch leap - cat full. I also do a wolf full, pike 180* shushanova. I'm all about the old school moves
Dos Santos II was introduced in the 2004 Olympics
@@airtonpaiva5389 A primeira vez que Daiane apresentou esse movimento foi em 2003 em uma copa do mundo. Inclusive foi o melhor Duplo Twist Esticado que ela apresentou até o fim da sua carreira.
I hope chelsie adds a the dos santos 2 beast move!
The Maldonado is definitely the most underrated move on floor exercise today. It should be H at least
I’m kinda surprised a cat leap isn’t on the beam yet
Cat leap full in particular
They do it all the time in NCAA
Im surprised a lot of potential elements arent on the beam.
Look at Juliet Bangerter from the early 90s
Love the turn at the end.
The last skill looks like a figure skating spin 😍
It looks like a "Sit spin"
Was there no broadcast recording available for Nguyen’s name?
The Nguyen is a very pretty turn, hope gymnasts perform it more frequently someday.
I’m guessing the announcer couldn’t pronounce Nguyen. It sounds like the word “win”.
If I'm not mistaken, one or two of the Romanian gymnasts performed the Cojocar during the Euros 2020 in Mersin, could be Stanciulescu, Duta, or Sfiringu.
Sfiringu performes the Cojocar.
The Nguyen is very a beautiful skill it gives loveliness to the routine
Dos Santos 2. I hope Chellsie can do it at competition!
Pq?? É uma meta dela?
Credited is probably a better term than created here. Viktoria Wagner was the first to actually attempt the front double pike all the way back in 2006 but never got it credited at Olympics/Worlds, and she did it without the FHS as well
Another great video
Thank you ❤️
The Nguyen is really pretty! I HATE wolf turns, but ending in that position is unique, and paired with good choreo would be lovely! It shows serious muscle control, strength, and balance.
Is the Dos Santos II the same as a men’s Tamayo? If so, why have men been able to perform it more easily?
Everything is so trick oriented that often form is lacking. I miss the old days when artistry and form counted for something. Now it's just connections & tricks.
Since the scoring change it hasn’t been the same. Dance and artistry Is gone.
I'm new here; can you explain, or do you have a video explaining the points and values you reference for difficulty levels?
It is based off the Code of Points, which is set each quad by the FIG.
These are all really beautiful but I think the Nguyen is my favorite.
Hi. I'm new in artistic gymnastics. I was wondering if men are allowed to perfom skills that are typically seen in female gymnastics. Thank you
Only in the National Association for Intercollegiate Gymnastics Clubs (NAIGC).
In NAIGC, gymnasts can compete in the “Open Division,” where men can do any mixture of men’s and women’s events and vice versa.
Some gymnasts even compete in the “Decathlon,” where men and women can attempt to compete all 10 events (6 men, 4 women) in one competition. It’s very impressive. You should try to find videos on TH-cam!
The dos Santos II
the last one
Can someone please explain to me what the ratings mean? I enjoy watching gymnastics but I know nothing about the technical elements or how competition scoring works
Each letter corresponds to 0.1 of a point. Like "A" Skills are valued 0.1, "B" 0.2, "C "0.3 and so on...
@@eimardgomes1128 Thank you for the explanation 😊
The Nguyen is smooth
Interesting to say they created the skill even though the men had been performing them long before. There's no problem in saying they were the first to perform it, it's just as impressive.
Very boring and predictable. Watching a competition on TV, you’re looking literally to the same routines over and over, some with lil’ less difficulty than others but basically the same.
Dos Santos II should be an I
I l like that turn its coll looking
0:42 ther is an italian gymanst who do it without frnt handspring
the title is like an infomercial
Just curious, why didn't you pronounce Nguyen's name? 🥴
I wasn’t sure, so I went with the safe choice 😅
@@gymnasticsmasterclass It's easy to find on Google and such a common name! But least you didn't pull a MyKayla "Bhardwaj" 🙈
@@AnywhereChrista How does MyKayla pronounce it?
@@bagelized She pronounces it differently every time on her channel. It's cringy tbh. (The skill is in her routine.)
Dos Santos II
Desirée Carofiglio has a good Dowel
I miss the use of simpler skills that are more elegant than many of these fancy skills
Didn’t Chelsie obtain her current ankle injury practicing the Dos Santos II?
I think it was the 2.5 twist
Eradicate wolf turns and bring back cat leaps BC cat leaps are pretty
If someone can actually convince me that dos Santos actually did the dos Santos 2 , I’ll be impressed because no it was piked and not laid out
Dos Santos I is piked
she actually grabs her legs. I can't believe the FIG called it laid out. It's like Simona Amanar.s Phelps.
There's definitely some piking going on. We can all see that. Judges are much more critical (and fans are often also more critical) than they were nearly 20 years ago when she debuted the skill... they were still using the 10.0 system even. lol While you wouldn't see a gymnast perform it like that today, according the standards of her era she did a dos Santos II.
Melanie DJDS does a chuso that is easily just as piked, yet it gets credited.
@@honeyfromthebee Piking skills that are supposed to be laid out must be a curse that has been placed on gymnasts who have the Dos Santos name.
Last one daria kondakova did that before
You have only 27.1 thousand subs but ur talking like a 2.71 million youtuber keep going
I like them all.
Gymnastics boring????? non mais ça va pas la tete!!!!!!
Yes. Yes it has become boring. Which sucks, because the time and effort to get the skills is still so impressive!
Yes, like figure skating, the scoring system has turned it into acrobatics.
true, 2016 to 2021 was boring, i love floor event and i was disappointed by the level of the gymnast, to many (double tuck, turn wolf or simple tumbling pass to secured execution)
Has it become predictable and boring? Yes. All the gymnasts preform the same elements/demonstrate they have the required skills - and that's it. Then they get their points and a winner is established. Nothing new to see, here. May just as well read who won in the news.
MALDONADO (F)
Yes. If I see another wolf turn, I'm gonna go cray. Where are the Onodis? The skilled turns? The whip to triple twist? There is no artistry, just acrobatics...no flow. We need another Nastia Liukin or Mustafina/Komova/Grishina (or at least even a Huang Huidan or Gabby Douglas). Every bar routine is a carbon copy of each other...no one is going for difficult vaults as their default, just DTYs. Everything is muscled and sorry, but the girls are looking heavier than ever and it translates to the routines.
Nice video 📹 👍 👌 👏 😀 🙂 and first comment.
front tumbling in general over the last 15 years has gone out of style imo, i believe mostly because before gymnasts could lunge out of it, now they need to cold stick landings
Brenna Dowell didn't create the forward double pike, she got it named after herself. Here is Veronica Wagner competing it Euros in 2006 for example: th-cam.com/video/MYp_oRnses8/w-d-xo.html
what chu think
do mens gymnastics
The new scoring system has done away with the artistic beauty of gymnastics.
Yes, it has
The slow decline in the creative artistry of gymnastics has made it a bit predictable. I don't mind some power jumpers but it does come off as lacking a bit of grace.
blame the code of points
Did you not know how to pronounce Nguyen? Lol it’s the only skill you don’t actually say and only reference the gymnast as “it’s creator”
The FIG has stripped gymnastics of all artistry, creativity, originality, and enjoyment. I don't even tune in anymore because they're not fun to watch anymore. Everything looks the same. Gymnastics routines in the 70's to early 90's were way more fun and more interesting to watch.
It only became boring and predictable once Simone Biles came to the game
Bars and Floor have become boring. Take out a damn skill and allow some artistry.
I bet the narrator can’t pronounce the nguyen
Haha I was just wondering that.
It’s pronounced “win”
😂😂😂 I didn’t want to be hammered so I decided to go with the safe choice 😂😂😂
Yes!!! Gymnastics has become boring and predictable 😴 All the routines look the same. Originality is gone and artistry is no longer rewarded
3week 3week
Yes, gimnastic has become boring!
Current gymnastics is a snooze fest. I stopped watching it.
not comfortable saying "Nguyen"?
Yes, gymnastics is incredibly boring now.
Yeah too much boring, monotonous and lack of originality..Everyone is doing the same skills over and over
It’s not even enjoyable to watch. They all do the same things and nothing is cool or original.