The REAL Truth About the Final Top Gun Maverick Dogfight
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- Ward reviews the final dogfight sequence from Top Gun Maverick with analysis using training aids and the DCS F-14A simulator.
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Ward, what you're forgetting is that Maverick threw the F-14 manual in the trash thereby making all his maneuvers possible.
He threw an F/A-18 E/F NATOPS in the trash, but your point is well taken.
I think the firing rate and sound of the M61 Vulcan in the Tomcat went along with it.
Ward's only human! Besides, it's IMPOSSIBLE to cover EVERYTHING.
If you get 80-88 % you're doing extraordinary! (Ward gets upwards of 90 something)
@@WardCarroll I was referring to the implied, off camera, likely mental throwing away of the F-14 book. Heh
So you didn’t watch the movie it seems? It wasn’t the f14 manual, the navy doesn’t even have any f14s in operation. He threw the manual away because the enemy already knows everything about it making the manual meaningless hence why he felt it belonged in the trash. The enemy doesn’t know how every dogfight will pan out as every dogfight is unique which depends solely on the aircraft’s capabilities and the pilots skill level to uniquely use those said capabilities.
I thought it was a nice that Maverick ended up being the last aviator to land a Tomcat on a carrier, giving him one other footnote in naval aviation history (at least in Hollywood history)
😢
In the movie I was so glad I didn't know ahead of time that Maverick and Rooster would steal an F-14. What a thrill man!
When I saw the trailer and they showed the Tomcat flying off into the sunset, I was afraid it was going to be something stupid. I was shocked it was actually pure awesome! Despite being a non realistic scenario. It was still awesome to see the old girl in action one more time.
I believe that if i had to redo the F-14 steal scene, i'd make it so that Maverick hops into the Tomcat and realizes it's actually been given the modernization treatment by the Russians/Iranians, so it's totally upgraded, engines and sensors and what not
@@Defender78 Actually, that is quite unrealistic. The Russians/Iranians have the older model of the F-14, whether it's the A or the B I'm not sure. However, the US military has been very very careful to not release any information on the F-14D that could give the Russians/Iranians the capability to modernize their planes. As a side consequence, no F-14D in DCS :(
@Defender78 God knows what mess the Russians and Iranians have done to those Tomcats. There will be a day when the USA sends those F-14 into their final resting place.
I've seen the movie 6 times now, each time I'm impressed with Cruises acting to give the character "Maverick" (the once talented loose cannon) the most realistic behavior and maturity for his age. Really love the acting Cruise did in this movie. The man is wearing a new demeanor that suits him. Very admirable here.
I only it wasn't for Xenu...
100% agree. Tom Cruise may be weird and his scientology and yelling at the crew about covid and such, but.... Actors are weird anyway- that's why they're actors. They have to "act" like people they aren't and when they are good at doing it, you don't realize they are acting.
You don't just have "regular" people be great actors.... If it were that easy, everyone would be doing it.
Prove me wrong.
Anyone that's bothered by Cruise's acting and lifestyle is just jealous.
@@stargazer2504 I'll admit: Of course I'm jealous of Cruise's financial position. But I don't think I'm jealous of his fame. Can't imagine what it is like being that famous and not being able to live like any other non-famous person. And I'm definitely not jealous of his complete and utter Delusion that is religion, or 'scientology' as it is in his case. That Delusion likely cost him his relationships with both Kidman and Katie Holmes. Not every actor that is this famous clings to a Delusion like Cruise. Brad Pitt doesn't. George Clooney doesn't. Ricky Gervais doesn't. Angelina Jolie doesn't. Kiera Knightley doesn't.
@@stargazer2504 I admit Cruise is a good actor, but I do have problems with the way Cruise shrills for $cientology, which is a corporation that harms people, harasses former members, and breaks up families.
@@angela1984a You left out the first Cruise wife, Mimi Rogers.
I’m not even a pilot but as a child of the 80’s I’ve always held great admiration for the F-14 and the men who flew them…great channel!
Same here. . . Greatest part of the handful of airshows I went to back then was when the tomcat took to the air and performed. To this day, I still think it has the most awesome profile of any fighter jet ever made, especially from nose-on.
@@wallyman292 Robotech, the American adaptation of the Japanese cartoon called Macross went a long way towards romanticizing the plane in my mind as a kid and then of course the movie Top Gun…but to think that there were really planes like that (albeit versions that did not transform into giant robots) and their pilots defending us against Cold War Russia…it was so cool!
Just found this channel and I too grew up in the 80's Great review of these machines and how they maneuver.
@@jvincent2870 Don't forget about GI-Joe and the Skystriker, one of my favorite toys ever and the movie Final Countdown that predates Top Gun, as a matter of fact it was that movie that made me realize the Skystriker was a REAL plane and that was just an awesome revelation.
As a guy who grew up around Miramar, the F-14 is my baby. When they fired up the ole girl, it brought a tear to my eye. Great movie all around, well done
Growling Sidewinder has done a ton of videos now with split throttles, one thing he does is leave one engine in full AB and pulls the other to mil power, so not to idle. And he is able to turn inside many more maneuverable aircraft as a result.
Yes - that was the comment I was looking for. GS didn't use idle/full AB though. I guess the filmaker wanted to have the audience notice the split throttle at all. (one engine lit)
I think for this video, Ward was simply showing how the split throttle doesn't work that quickly. Like what was shown in the movie. Still an awesome maneuver to see on the screen though
I buy tickets to see a best 3 out of 5 between Ward and GS.
@@420BulletSponge I would definitely be down for that! lol
Yeah I thought about mentioning that he seemed to get more movement out of the plane not sure how different the scenarios were seemed like he was maybe going a little faster or Something along those lines
I remember asking a Tomcat driver once about the flat spin in the first Top Gun. He talked about the split throttles and how it was a real concern in the A version of the Tomcat due to the compressor stall issue, but later versions had less chance of compressor stall. He also mentioned that as a test pilot for the Tomcat platform, he actually has tried to force a flat spin and never could get it to quite happen without a very specific set of conditions, like Ward mentions here.
He also did say that while it would be possible to get a little more yaw rate by using asymmetric thrust, he didn’t think it wouldn’t amount to much increase in maneuvering and has some risks that don’t outweigh the benefits.
We had this conversation while I was hanging him from an engine hoist by his harness for his 360 inspection and also asking if his junk was getting pinched or his legs started to get tingly.
Heard a pilot say "You never want to fly an 'A' model anything!"
I’m surprised you didn’t mention the fact that rooster actually has three kills now which exceeds Hangman’s total. One on the helicopter and then two as Mavericks RIO.
True!
Reminds me, I hear the highest ranking ace of Vietnam was a F-4 backseater with 6 confirmed kills.
@@jeffholloway7974 yup, willy d driscoll. excellent speaker, the stories of those kills and his shoot down are fascinating
Willie only has five, Chuck DeBellvue of the USAF has 6, and another backseater, Feinstein also has 5.
Good point.
talked to F-14 pilot once. said the hardest flying he ever did was that one year he was the airshow 14 demo across country. hardest part was flying with the heritage flights with wings back, constantly on the edge of stall. said it was like trying to stand on a beach ball
crazy. why would that (wings swept) even be a requirement though? Just for the aesthetic ?
@@jonnyharris2612 Answered that question yourself lol
I love that you use DCS for demos. My buddy, who runs RIO for me, and I have used a fair number of your videos to figure out what we're doing in that game.
I was in high school when the first Top Gun came out. It's not why I joined the military (US Army) but I had glasses so I knew I would never be a pilot. This is nostalgic content for me. Makes me misty.
Maybe because Goose was killed by an F-14 asymetrical thrust, flat spin, Maverick spent 30 years working on how to avoid it. He became so good at it that he can cause it and recover from it at will.
Can you show us in DCS what it would take to cause a controlled or at least recoverable asymmetrical thrust, flat spin on an F-14.
Without being in a TF-30 equipped A or very early pre-conversion B? You actually have to put in the work to upset the old girl and make her go into a flat.
I bet they meant to do this more explicitly but decided it was too awkward to write into the movie.
@@MrNoobed True rather than the Dark star scene. I woupd rather have had a flash back of Maverick with a test F/A-18 or even F-22, practicing asymetrical thrust control.
He could be testing a new weapon or a new engine and at the end of each test he would always "cut one engine off" and attempt to recover. He eventually gets into trouble for doing it over and over again and just as he's about to gets his wings clipped, the admiral receives word that he's being called back to TopGun
@@michaeld1170 yeah I started to think he same thing. It'd be cool that way. It'd probably make the intro too long
The asymmetrical thrust is viable actually do one engine at mil power and the other on ab beyond that and without great care you’ll still spin
Like everybody else, I waited eagerly for this movie to be released. Listening to people such as yourself, Jello, Mover, etc. I followed their advice and just shut my brain off and enjoyed the film.
As a comparison, I have been a railroader for over 30 years, and I simply cannot watch the movie "Unstoppable" without a little piece of my soul dying every time.
I love your channel, keep swinging for the fences!
There is a fundamental flaw in the movie in that you can't blow up a huge stockpile of enriched uranium with out spreading nuclear waste all over the world, Chernobyl times a 100. So the entire mission of the movie would be scrapped and and Tom Cruise and the pilots wouldn't have anything to do but just stay at the Top Gun school. So yeah just turn of your brain and enjoy the movie.
I managed to watch it the second time - I walked out the first time ....... Its was just too much "copy paste" "do what we did in the first movie but try make it cooler" and "fan service".
probably wont watch it again for 10 years or so...i rather stick with the original Top Gun
Still, as movies go. This was the best one made in a long time. Thanks, Ward
Agreed. Almost all films require the "suspension of disbelief" to enjoy. I always wondered if pilots had that issue with "The Final Countdown", "Top Gun" and the other military aircraft centric films.
From the interviews I've seen, most of them enjoy the films (in the moment) and then talk about the cringe parts afterward.
@@Jeremiah_Johnson139 I imagine it's basically the same for anyone watching Hollywood movies about their profession. If they movie is good, you enjoy it for the entertainment value, but then you see some nonsense and have to just laugh it off.
@@Noin007 I'm a career Mechanic. I watch stuff in movies about cars that just makes me so mad, and I have to remind myself "ITS A MOVIE" lol. I usually only care when it's a movie that is claiming to be realistic.
@@Jeremiah_Johnson139 I miss the old days when films are enjoyed & never, if not at the least, hardly ever criticized in this kind of manner… not very much. Now, these days gag-about like them [@Ward Carroll] & many of the commenters here on this channel these days now always complaint about how the betrayal of today's storytelling is too cringeworthy & unrealized, the things & trades that they have the expertise in how to properly run the storyteller's own trade crafting in making their movies & how to run their business… that movies & shows both today & yesterday no matter how much effort, resources, heart & soul they put in to make sure that the stories are as much as grounded in reality as much as humanly possible, still, they′re being targeted something as ass against the grass, being considered poor decision making like if that they were the laziest bum on the planet for not trying to make their stories believable at all, all because they don't meet the standards of the so-called experts of how much realistic the story(ies) is enough‥ that always know everything about something! This bullS%⁕# taking & ruining not only the fun but also everything we love to see movies in the first place; It is like they′ll find an excuse to find something to whine & complain about something, finding a fault about how the storytellers betray something in their movies or shows! These so-called experts & these “expertise-know-everything-s” must′ve forgotten that movies & shows are meant to be enjoyed & the means to be momentarily transported & take refuge into another world of mind-bogging wonders & endless possibilities, they aren′t neither meant nor supposed to be any form of scientific, historical, or any other kind of factual documentary(ies), that which these know-it-alls are reality most suited for in the first place for most than the purpose of making stories, shows, & films, & yet, they seemly that they don't know how real storytelling really works, not understanding that people never see stories, shows, & hear stories for the politically correct physics, history, or any other kind of educational facts! This kind of “S%⁕#” is going on TH-cam for quite some time, & I'm sick & tired of getting this squat that we're getting from these‥ so-called expert know-it-alls or someone else who just want to play “the special someone who always is the expert of everything”.
If these so-called know-it-all experts at everything are true fans that hold the storyteller's craft work in their hearts, then they would have the least honor & courtesy of knowing when it best that if they don't have anything nice to say about that person or their trade work, just simply forever hold their peace from those who don't want to hear what questions about things that the true fans & audience that want to see good time stories that they did not bother to ask; if feel like they needed to criticize, then at least they can do is to save all of that “S%⁕#” for & in the place where in the least that's truly belongs, in firms′ & shows′ commentaries… of course, in front of the faces of the all of the ones & the technical advisers that anticipate in the making of the films & shows.
@@TheGoldenWildcat I hear what you're saying. It can be irritating, but at the same time, if it makes filmmakers think twice about "fudging" something, thinking "the audience will never notice", and makes them present the situation as realistically as possible, why not?
As well, I'm not trying to be rude, here, but nobody is making you read the criticisms. Just stop reading the comments.
Bravo Zulu, Mooch! Excellent debrief. I really enjoy your content as a retired F-15C Driver...Sierra Hotel from "Spam" now flying bugsmashers in Germany!
Growling Sidewinder, a DCS youtuber did a video on the split throttle move dogfighting a Super Hornet and managed to get more maneuverability out of the Tomcat with it. Still, with you being an actual Tomcat aviator, I bow down to your expertise and experience, but perhaps do a comment on the feasibility of what he does in that video?
GS only pulled the throttle out of AB. I've done the same. You need to de moving pretty good, and just pull out of AB, which is actually shown in the movie. You also need to be mindful of how much you pull. She will pirouette around the nose. And you will loose a tremendous amount of air speed. I suspect they had a simulator that they worked this out in.
This, I wanted to bring this up but checked if someone did already.
I’ve seen GW’s episode. (And he’s great.) I’m coming at it from a completely different, fleet-experienced angle.
Thank you very much for your answer. As I said, with you actually having flown the real deal, you'd know better.
In the heat of the moment of the movie, I also didn't notice the aileron popping out, which is clearly a mistake (mostly basing myself off simulator games I've played over the years), so the move, as you said, was played clearly for spectacle's sake.
@@WardCarroll just small correction to the name, Growling Sidewinder (GS*), love both his videos and of yours as well Mooch!
Few years back, was delivering a sofa set to a house on an RAF base, after we finished, parked up has TACO break was required for driving hours, heard a huge roar - had the absolute pleasure to watch two F-15's fly by, had to of been 100-150 feet from the deck. Amazing to watch. Would love to be in the back seat of those. F-14,15, 18, 22 would be a dream to sit in those aircraft and let the pilot ''go nuts''.
This is exactly what I've been waiting for. Good stuff, Mooch! I love that you're using DCS to demonstrate things you talk about. Awesome!
His videos would be better if he knew his subject matter better 😂
Edited to ensure y’all know I’m being sarcastic. Can’t be too careful nowadays
As a fan of this channel now I have "compressor stall", "asymmetric thrust", "vectoring", "weapons solution" burned into my memry. Love it!! The more nerdy the videos, the better. Keep up the good work Mr. Carrol
Also pretty cool that what Rooster did to prep the aircraft was an actual thing, and not just for dramatic purposes.
To quote Tom Scott. "I didn't make this movie for aviators. I made it for movie goers". Rest in peace Sir. Edit. Tony Scott
*Tony
@@Ganiscol thanks. I spaced out on this
Tony Scott?
That isn't a good argument, you can make a movie accurate to real life without sacrificing the movie going experience. Stuff like the no flap takeoff don't affect the movie, but add realism.
@@PrimarchX director of the original Top gun
I really enjoyed your explanations, demonstrations and simulations. I definitely didn't understand the technicalities but still intrigued. New subscriber!
Welcome!
The first thing I did when I got home from the movie is try the split throttle maneuver in DCS. It was high AoA and I spun out. Next I tried the no flaps takeoff. In the movie I was saying in my head "drop the flaps Mav!" The Tomcat really does want to lift off the ground no matter what because that wingspan is so damn big. But he could have saved the nose gear. In the end, it is of course a movie, and meant to entertain. But they really did their homework with this one. It was the best jetfighter movie I have ever seen, including the original. Hell, I was happy enough when Rooster had to "connect ground air supply" lol. Great debrief Mooch!
For me, the smartest thing Mav did was the raking fire across the first SU...turned a 1 v 2 fight into a somewhat manageable 1 v 1.
Imagine how much trouble the base's security detail got into as a result of the F-14 theft. They might have been redeployed to keep the Su-57s safe, but left the F-14 alone.
@@toddkes5890 Honestly Keeping an Old Complicated and Somewhat outdated jet is already a pain in the butt so I wouldn't blame em for trying to save the Felons while leaving the tomcat to it's fate.
Nice job Ward! As a 20K hour airline pilot, I too found a bit of the movie sappy but enjoyable. Best wishes!
I’m just glad they used SU 57s and not F-5s. Even if it was CG
That flap part when the tomcat is taking off... Didn't notice that 'till you pointed it out. Truly a cringe-worthy moment (or they forgot about it at the last second on my part) to some people
It's not cringe-worthy... it's HOLLYWOOD... LOL
Its an Iranian F14. They have not had spare parts for those things since the 1980s, so the flaps probably didnt work 😈
I'm amazed at the difference in the cockpit video between DCS and the old 2F95 simulator video system! What a difference a few decades of technology makes!
CDR Carroll, as a retired Aviation Anti-Submarine Warfare Operator (AW) Senior Chief, us old S-3 Viking enlisted aircrew Sensor Operators enjoy your videos a great deal. Always enjoy them. Thank you, Sir. Best Regards.
AWCS (Ret) K. B. Morgan
Thank you for waiting months before making this so we get to enjoy the movie. And Tom if you stop by, thanks for a great IMAX experience.
The sheer amount of details that you've described is amazing.
I was particularly surprised to know that you've actually done what rooster did when readying the Tomcat for takeoff; i thought it was something that was added in just for context in the movie.
Keep it up Mr. Carroll!
I’ve greatly enjoyed your channel. Thank you for your work, and for your service. As for TG Maverick, I saw the original in my grandfather’s movie theatre when I was 6. Maverick was worth the 36 year wait. Of course, not entirely accurate, but we can all agree that it was absolutely spectacular, dare I say revolutionary with respect to filmmaking. And Jennifer Connelly…
I miss the Friday night, last recovery 7.2G over stress inspections. Those were the days. Thanks to all of the O’s. RIP Cmdr (Captain) Mark Adamshick (RIO, WSO, CO).
Shaker was a great man.
@@WardCarroll that means a lot Ward. Fair winds and following seas Shaker. He was one of the best men I ever knew and had the honor to serve with. He was a great RIO sitting behind Cmdr Chip King.
Awesome breakdown of the final dogfight Ward! Now you got me wanting to watch it again! Lol well played sir well played
Thanks! ex RAAF F/RF-111 here, crossed paths on occasion with TC drivers (with whom we shared engines and few design concepts), always great to hear it again from someone who knows for real! 👍
Very fun episode, Ward! Thank you.
Thank you for sharing the knowledge and the way it is suppuse to work on a Tomcat. I always loved that plane since i was young and i will stay a Tomcat person for life.
Great stuff. Hope to see more DCS content from you too. Your enthusiasm is infectious!
I love how you analyze these wonderful movies with your firsthand knowledge do flying the actual plane. GO NAVAL AIR!!!!! Jarhead maintainer here... kc-130 AE/T. Love you Ward.
Love it!! I wasn't a jet guy - ASW helo driver. But - I always loved seeing F-14's doing an 'unrestricted climb'. Damn cool!
I love that you are adding dcs footage to help with explaining and showing things in your video! So cool!
As a pilot, thank you for the expert analysis. God Bless.
Enjoy the channel for sure........... It would be cool to see you and GS have a friendly go in DCS .
Love it! Thanks for the detailed analysis Ward. That was fascinating.
Thank you Ward, that was so much fun ! I am now fascinated by the DCS !
Mr. Carrol, your channel is awesome!
I'm surprised that Tom Cruise, with his pilot background, let this kind of stuff slide for the final edit.
Its a movie.
My wife looked at me during the movie, I just laughed. I am just an AE2 Corsair maintainer that was a troubleshooter.
Growling Sidewinder does some split throttle things with the Tomcat on his channel I believe he mentioned that it was only 25% I watch it out of entertainment value.
Totally new year just like to see reactions from crazy stunts in movies it’s crazy how everyone has a different opinion on what is possible and what is not but you sir are the only one that actually gives technical reasoning on your analysis amazing!
it is entertainment and a call back to nostalgia... enjoy it for what it is... also Growling side winder demonstrated effective use of differential trust.. it is totally awesome.
Great commentary as always.
That was easily the best How-It-Is vs. Hollywood video I've ever seen... excellent work!
Although I've never seen one fly in person, I always loved the F14 probably due to the original Top Gun movie. Fast forward several decades and my 7 year old son now plays with an F14 toy I used to play with (He's also seen Top Gun Maverick - twice). I was fortunate enought to attend an Airshow at Otis Air Force base back in 2001 where I stood next to an F14. Only then did I get an appreciation of the size of the aircraft. It was HUGE!
The nose-gear on a Tomcat can take the weight of the entire plane. It wouldn't break easily. If you stop the nose-gear you stop the entire Tomcat.
Look at how catapult launches work.
"Thomas Joyce :
Le train avant d'un Tomcat peut supporter le poids de tout l'avion.
Il ne se casserait pas facilement.
Si vous arrêtez le train avant, vous arrêtez tout le Tomcat.
Regardez comment fonctionnent les lancements de catapultes."
Franck Cavalier :
Merci, cela fait plaisir de croiser enfin quelqu'un ayant remarqué ce détail pourtant crucial, sans compter le fait que même si ce dernier avait finalement lâché, vu l'angle d'incidence de l'appareil, l'arrière aurait forcément touché lui aussi, non seulement des trains mais aussi des quilles de stabilisation et des gouvernes de profondeur.
Ward, Thanks for the breakdown. As a former F4-D (USAF) Phantom Phixer I too laughed at some of the cringeworthy flight envelopes. It does make good "Hollywood" though. I've only seen the movie once, however when starting the Tomcat in the enemy hanger, they only seem to start ONE engine with the Dash 60 (USAF engine starter) so did I miss something or does the Tomcat have the ability to "bleed air" to start the second engine?
Some of the scenes remind me of DACT (Dissimilar Air Combat Training) missions we had with NATO forces during joint exercises at Decimomannu Italy.
Keep the chalk talks coming.
Just found your channel. Love you content man. It is so amazing that we now have something like DCS for guys like you to use in order to demonstrate different aspects of flight.
As always Mr Carrol awsome video. I’ve told you this before my dad was a phantom driver in Vietnam. He also loves your videos and always tells me how accurate you are in your assessments. I’ve said this before the Toncat will always be my favorite fighter and it’s just awsome to hear the stories of a real Tomcat Rio. Keep up the good work!
Biggest cringe in the movie for me: Rooster: "Why are the wings coming out Mav?"
i saw top gun in theaters with my friend and his dad who flew a tomcat in the navy. two preteen boys woopping about the most epic fighter of their time. I am glad he did not give us a realistic breakdown, but hyped us up.
As a 50yr old i truely enjoyed going back and seeing maverick grow as a character. thier respectful way they treated Iceman, while preparing us for a new generation. And i can now say i enjoy the break downs to see how close it would be in real-life. (after i see the movie) topgun maverick was not perfect. but dam it gave me the preeteen feeling of excitement when i came out of the theater.
Thank you for the break down. it was informative.
Great breakdown, Mooch! Another point that I noticed is that the final Felon's radar would have notified the pilot of Hangman closing in and locking in on him and he would've taken evasive maneuvers.
That and it's unlikely there would be a lone bandit except for dramatic writing. There's a reason why wingmen exist.
Also, on the deck, making a head-on pass. Like wouldn't you keep your distance and throw a Fox-3 at the Tomcat?
@@MMuraseofSandvich it’s very possible that they didn’t have a wingman because the SU-57 is incredibly new and probably only 20-30 have been produced. As to why he took Mac to the deck I don’t know, could be pilot incompetence or underestimating his opponent. Or just a bad pilot.
@@pewpew3377 The best official guess is fewer than 10, quite possibly just 5.
@@pewpew3377 if I'm remembering the movie right, most of the enemy A/C were destroyed on the ground by the cruise missle strike. Those three Felons were probably the only ones left, and Mav and Rooster splashed two of them on the way out, leaving only one to attempt a last ditch intercept as they make a break for the carrier.
Respect man to you . A Real fighter jet pilot. I am From Latvia we don’t have fighter jets always wanted to become a pilot. Never happen so went in the navy for 7 years
Seeing the Tomcat in action one more time in TGM made my eyes well up. So very awesome.
One of your best videos. Obviously I’m biased. Sorry I missed Happy Hour today. Need a video on the Spaghetti!!
Weaving in that sweet DCS footage!! Love it!!
Side question - have you successfully completed an AAR yet??
Very cool!!
I got to see a picket line constructed on the runway at the Quad City Airshow in the early 90’s to arrest a Tomcat with hydraulic issues.
Movies are movies. It is awesome that you all with real world experience take the time to make videos like this!
Thank you!
Great breakdown Ward! That movie was so fun even with a little poetic license. I think it was more realistic looking to my untrained eye that the first one.
Mate that is beyond awesome. An actual factual analysis of how realistic the final scene of an action movie is. Like Top Gun. From a guy who was a real WSO in an F-14. You didn't kill my buzz for the movie either so thanks for that. You went Rain Man in the analysis. But that's coming from a guy who is full Rain Man in my job, so no criticism. I loved it.
Another terrific episode - and a great refresher of my ACM fighter lead-in training in 1982 at Holloman. Thanks, Ward.
Let’s show respect to likely the only one among us who has significant fleet experience in an F14. GS is a gamer. Period. Mooch spent years in an F14. So all of you who keep mentioning a gamer as a comparison well it’s not even close. Real world fleet experience Vs gaming experience.
I could watch Ward talk Tomcat’s all day.
Maverick going for that second WSO silhouette on his nose art: "splitting the throttles and applying pro-spin inputs!"
Great video and great explanation. I did not notice the throttle and flap setting when Mav pushed the wings forward, can't believe I missed that...lol
As a former US Navy destroyer sailor from 1979 to 1985 I just love seeing F-14's. We spent a lot of time doing plane guard for the USS America and while off duty spent hours watching aircraft coming in to land. The US Navy the best time of my life!
The fact they paid that much attention to some of the details and got as much right as they did, shows the respect and passion by the crew. It's been all to common in recent years to simply rely on callbacks and pure CGI to power through a hastily written plot or poor direction. Purely to squeeze money out of an aging IP. This movie was never going to get everything right, no successful movie ever does. It has to carefully balance immersive realism, with fast paced action and tightly written characters to appease the vast majority of an audience. Which was absolutely the case here.
For the minority of people decrying every little detail, I want to put this into perspective a bit. The original Top Gun was very Cringe worthy outside of a few scenes, but it had such an 80's attitude no one cared. It was also one of the few movies to centerpiece the world's most powerful but elegant aircraft, the F-14. For the time it also showed an amazing amount of actual in flight footage. All of these combined into a cheesy but appreciable action movie, that made you want to go out and paint an American Flag on your face.
Fast forward to Top Gun Maverick. We have even more actual in flight footage. With CGI being used on the scenes with obviously unobtainable aircraft. And to spruce up certain scenes that couldn't be done fully for safety reasons. IE, the low flying F-18 pass through the canyon. We have arguably a better set of character arcs than the original had. We have some actual attention to real dogfighting tactics. Overall the number of cringeworthy moments is reduced significantly, and are usually not noticeable outside of very knowledgeable people. It is a true sequel working off the shoulders of what the original created. Expanding it further and making a better product overall. That still makes you want to go get your face painted with the stars and stripes.
Overall this movie should be recognized as a great action movie, easily one of the best movies of 2022. I understand the need for some people to nitpick every detail, because yea it does pull you out of the immersion. Watching John Wick multiple times I continually notice small things that make me go "Wait, that's not right". However I must respect the amount of passion and dedication it took to make it so good in the first place.
As an aside, this is not a critique of Ward or this video. I just see random hate for the movie based off this stuff and I have to shake my head at how demanding some people are.
Love the chalk talk videos Ward - one of my favorites is the BVR tactics one you did. Was informative/excellent.
Thanks so much for the breakdown. Cringeworthy or not, it's interesting to hear what may or may not be able to happen in real life. I truly appreciate all of your time and I'm always looking forward to the next video. Thank you again Mr Carroll
Loved that! Thanks for making a video on the best dog fight scene in this movie. Really enjoy your videos.
thank you so much Ward. I spent so much time Googling for flaps, ailerons, spoilers and spider detent and so on as I put you on pause during this episode. good stuff
I've watched quite a few of your vids and I think this is going to be one of my favorites.
Love your work. 🙂
Thing is, I can imagine someone pulling off the "ambush" on an enemy aircraft foolish enough to get that close to a "bogey"(I hope to have gotten that right) but there's no way the "Felons" lost that dogfight. And I think the last "Felon" would have killed Maverick and Rooster with a BVR shot and that would be the end of it. Even though it is utter BS, It was a badass scene the likes of which are very unlikely to be filmed again.
Thanks' for the brake down of the engagements Sir. Using the simulator to really show maneuvers helps the laymen understand.
So how about the engine flameout on final approach that Maverick had. Would he still be able to maintain control in the glideslope and make the landing or would that be a waveoff?
it's really cool to see a video game used by someone with real experience to show how things work. appreciate it.
Killing it Mr. Carroll ♦️♦️♦️♦️
Thank you again sir for the video. I did one westpac with VQ-1 , attached to CVW - 11 , USS Enterprise in 1982. VFs 114 & 213 were there and I to me they were the coolest squadrons on the boat .
Love this Ward. By the way "growling sidewinder" has been demoing the split throttle/differential thrust on DCC and it never went to flat spin with a good deal of successful kills in that sim; though in the real world, that is all you. If you are ever live speaking anywhere, would love to be part of that session. Thanks again.
That was one of the best after action reviews ive been in after 20 years in the military lol.
You missed the most obvious error: Both men left their helmets in the woods...but..once they got in the F-14 they were wearing their personalized helmets.
They got it attached to their waists before entering the F-15 hangar.
Yeah stop faultfinding you just got owned maybe if you went into the movie for entertainment value you would’ve have the left theater satisfied. The movie isn’t a documentary it doesn’t need to be completely realistic
Yup, it's attached to their waist on the right side so difficult to see until the camera swings forward
@@thecollinzboy what a buzzkill.
@@thecollinzboy There is no entertainment though, it's a complete cringe-fest, a copy of the original movie with the same tired old lines. It's not even close to reality. The only people who like it are simpletons and kids.
Ward, good first interview for the position of Technical Advisor for Top Gun 3.
Your DCS adds another nice dimension to your channel. You could go back and revisit other maneuver -centric episodes, like Lt. Kara Hultgreen's mishap. That would be interesting.
Man, what a labour of love!!!!! THANK YOU for this!!!
Is there anything unlikely about Hangman's missile taking out both the enemy plane _and_ the missile it's just fired? 15:00
Is there anything unlikely in this whole movie?
Note also that when Maverick and Rooster enter the hanger, the Huffer line is laying on the ground not connected to the aircraft. Maverick hits the start on the Huffer and you see the line pressurize as if it is connected, then after Maverick is in the plane Rooster disconnects the Huffer line from the aircraft.
Let’s face it, it’s just not a Top Gun movie without cringeworthy moments.
As someone with no flying experience and definitely no combat flying experience I can intuitively tell that quite a lot is wrong with what's on screen but I don't know exactly what or why.
Thank you for making this video going into detail with exactly what and why the fighting didn't make sense, I feel like movies like Top Gun do a disservice not only to aircraft like the Felon, but also the Tomcat.
Finally, my question about the airframe's ability to sweep the wings forward at speed, answered.
Great Job on this one. Thanks!! Still a fun new movie to watch over and over again. Love the Tomcat Simulator.
I have a hard back cover of Punks War.
I loved the book.
Wish i could get it signed.
I love watching your videos and hearing the story's you tell.
The information you have been giving is very helpful in my flight games.
I've learned a lot of combat tactics from you.
You are responsible for 30% of my combat wins in jets on my games.
The tactic are a great help.
thank you for adding your professional expertise to this film. FANTASTIC!!!!
Awesome breakdown man, thanks for being so specific with your corrections, love it.
I love the critiques and comments you make as to the reality of what is happening on the big screen, and thank you for your expertise, experience and your service, but all in all, the overriding issue here is that this picture is pure ENTERTAINMENT, pure and simple...nothing more than BIG TIME ENTERTAINMENT and just be happy Naval Aviators played a staring role in the flying segments!
I loved the tomcat so much I became and ABE, launching them off many carriers and I remember you from VF-102!! Shoutout to the Sidewinders! I was onboard USS America CV-66 from 1991-Decom. Excellent channel