@@edgierthanthou i actually give you props on this video. I dont think drinker is really that much of a fan on a lot of things so the tourist comments are valid. And he takes the safest route on any controversy.
youtube recommended this,if the algo recommended this i think its healthy to see an opposing viewpoint. iirc i got baited into anti vax rabbit hole in 2020
There are three really cool little dots next to the bottom of your video thumbnail. Touching them opened a menu, allowing me to select "Don't Recommend Channel."
I just came to say thank you so much for that tip, I really didn't know you could do that and this video really really earned it! Once again, my thanks!
Unfortunately for you, and Russel T. Davies, plus the cast of the new series - ratings don't lie. Historically low ratings, and unfortunately for Jinx, it doesn't look like the show will pick up "two or three new fans" for every one that has left. Also, it is rumoured that the Disney+ numbers were so bad, they were pulled down internally within 36 hours of the first two episodes ending. However, it appears that 73% of their low numbered audience turned episode 1 off before the end...
No I 100% think the show needs to prove itself again after Chibnall (something it has had to do before). Ratings are lower now (although they are split between numerous services so that seems majorly overstated) but if the writing continues to be as good as it is this season or better, I have confidence they can put the pieces together. Devil’s chord was quite good and Boom was amazing.
@@edgierthanthou Haha! The only reason Doctor Who is on other services is because the ratings are so BAD. You don't even know how this whole thing works. Maybe you should listen to the videos instead of rage mining for clout.
@@FreemanSC Indeed - if there was no Disney money involved, the BBC would be cancelling this show at the end of the current run. Both ITV shows on at Saturday prime time have beaten it solidly over the last two weekends. The 90s series 'Gladiators' was recently brought back to the screen and managed 8.7 million viewers for its first show, and performed well throughout the whole run. The reason? They didn't change the format or underlying premise of the show!
What’s even crazier to me is that we are in the midst of GREAT dr who episodes and these people are still shitting on the show. A while ago this eras “Turn Left” or “Midnight” or “Blink” aired and STILL these TH-cam channels were shitting on it, blatantly lying about the content of the episodes
yeah you have no argument and are clearly just nipping at heels. Gary has been watching WHO since he was a kid in the 70s, Drinker is a well known film critic, and between all those people you are looking at close to 2million subscribers. They run a weekly show on a friday that gets more concurrent viewers than prime time CNN does. Bro take your L and go back to what ever edgy chan board you frequent XD
I know who all these people are. This is a very silly argument. Then again you didn’t respond to any points I made either because you didn’t watch it or because you know you can’t.
Are you joking? Nerdrotic has a huge collection of Doctor Who stuff. Knows everything about the show. It's just absolute (OBVIOUS) woke garbage now. Ratings are terrible.
Yes I know Gary likes doctor who. I pointed out that that seemed to be true in this very video. Also what? The last couple episodes of Who have been fantastic. Including the episode they are shitting on a frame from (well, maybe not fantastic. It was definitely on the upper end though). Plus Ncuti Gatwa is a fucking incredible doctor. Out of curiosity, are you comfortable watching people who single out random actors and actresses to call them “disgusting creatures” and “things”?
@GM-db4bv idk why I expected one of their followers to not be a piece of shit. By the way I went back and checked out one of Gary’s reviews of the recent doctor who and it literally opens with him just pointing out the race of every character. It’s fucking pathetic.
Have you even seen it? I admit space babies was bad but the rest of it ( devils chord, boom) is good. Having ONE queer character does not make a show ‘woke garbage’ it is just inclusive and it used an actor that was good for the role.
That would make sense but they called a lot of attention to the Master in the specials as being a distinct character. If that’s what he’s referring to then eh that’s fine. Like it’s a forgivable mistake.
If you watched the video you’d know I literally say ‘I don’t know what he’s talking about here. This is how it sounds but I could be missing something.’ And ask if anyone had context. Y’know, basic due diligence
11:50 "I guess he must have gone through a lot of stuff where in previous decades he couldn't be honest.." My brother in christ, RTD is not just a gay man who went through some stuff in previous decades where he just couldn't be honest with who he was UWU. He lived through and survived the AIDS Crisis. A coordinated effort by the UK and US governments to allow for a deadly disease to rip through an entire demographic of humans that they didn't like, an act of genocide through inaction, and weaponising the fact that it primarily affected that group to further dehumanise and demonise that group, the exact same rhetoric that these people are using in the video (i.e. describing Jinxk Monsoon, not Maestro, as "that thing" or "it"). You want to know what kind of things RTD went through? Watch It's A Sin. It's not fiction, many of the most haunting and powerful scenes of that show are directly based on RTD's own life experience, or that of his friends. The character of Jill is almost a 1-to-1 adaption of one of RTD's own friends, and alot of her scenes are based off stories she told him of what she went through. The sweet sexless Colin's death after unknowlingly drinking from an infected cup, is not only one of the most heartbreaking moments of TV I've ever seen, but was also directly taken from an all-too-common thing that RTD *saw* happen. Boys being shipped home and locked in their childhood bedrooms to die out of sight, out of mind, only to be buried discreetly without dignity because their families were too ashamed. It's A Sin was fictionalised, but not fiction. And the thing is, many of the people who supported that horror in the AIDS Crisis are still alive today, in the general public or in the UK Parliament or US Senate. And the hateful rhetoric they fostered is still being used by people, including these six dumbasses. But thankfully, their greatest failure is that people like RTD survived, people who could carry their stories and experiences into everything they write. Including Doctor Who. Nowhere near as directly as It's A Sin did, but with his first era of Doctor Who he was able to depict a future where sexuality and gender were fluid, where people like Jack Harkness could be as much of a bisexual stereotype as he liked openly. Every single main character on Torchwood has a same-sex kiss on screen and kind of imply that being in Torchwood has made them just a little bit gay. I've seen people draw the connection to how RTD1 wrote the travelling with the Doctor as being kinda based on what it was like being gay during the AIDS Crisis. Parents and friends telling the companion that they aren't the same as they used to be before they met the Doctor, the joy and the freedom they feel travelling despite the looming danger they face on a daily basis, and still the last thing they ever want to do is return to their "normal" life from before they travelled with the Doctor, give up the joy and freedom and instead be what their family wants them to be, even if they are now safe from the danger. Ultimately, what RTD went through not only made him a better writer than any of us can ever hope to be, it also made him a better human than any of these coddled babies crying that a drag queen played a villain in one episode that most of them didn't even watch. Anyway, thank you for coming to my TedTalk, this was way longer than I meant it to be, but I needed to get this off my chest
I appreciate you taking the time to write this out. You’re right and it helps to put in perspective what these people complain about versus what happened in the real world. The queerness being expressed is a celebration of those who survived and will continue to survive through hardship and the prejudice of the time we live in.
@@edgierthanthou thanks it was honestly way longer than I meant it to be, but I just kept thinking of more stuff because that one line really fucking set me off
Yeah it annoyed me a lot too. I’ve been considering reusing the clip sometime later because while it wasn’t exactly the subject of the video, it shows a really fucked up perspective.
It's not the government's job to protect you from your own stupidity. You tend to catch diseases when you engage in unprotected "activities" that we all learned in school, yes they were taught that stuff back then too.
@@edgierthanthou You asserted that the only problem they had with the Maestro was the costume then play a clip where they're criticizing characterization and acting ability. You defeated your own argument while you were making it. Haha!
@osets2117 did you watch the video? I explain exactly what I mean and exactly why it applies. They’re willing to sell out lying about a franchise they claim to be fans of and whine about and complain the series is ruined over things that have been a part of the series since it’s inception, something a fan wouldn’t do. They may have been fans at some point, but they are no longer.
@@edgierthanthou Haha! So they actually think Doctor Who is written brilliantly but they're just lying to make money? Hahahaha! That's a huge dose of cope you're taking.
Young man. I am a white male born days before the first airing of An Unearthly Child (it was shown again the following week due to the interest in the assassination of JFK shortly before the first broadcast). I grew up with Who, and it grew with me. Before moving to Florida just over 10 years ago, and in my younger days in my original country, England, I met every Doctor from Pertwee to McCoy. I was involved in running a local Who fan group back in the city of my birth. I spent all my pocket money and paper round money on Who merch, which, once I was working as an adult, and earning real money, I was like a kid in a Who candy store. Even in my new life here, I still spend on Classic merch......I have an understanding American wife, lol. My point? You won't find a bigger Classic Who fan than me. You don't have to be a fan of what is to be a fan of what was. I have no interest in NuWho. Am I angry like you? Why use bad language? What a waste of time and effort and most of all. ....emotion. You do you. And good luck to you. Everyone else does them. Good luck to them. As my youngest daughter used to say when she was a kid (about15 at the time)...take a chill pill. Would you call me a 'Tourist '? I wish you and everyone who is into Who in their way, all the best.
That’s great! You definitely don’t have to be a fan of today’s stuff. I can think of a few changes that might make it less attractive now. Some of them aren’t necessarily bad, just different, and other things that I think they need to fix. I don’t think these guys are tourists for not liking recent stuff. I think they’re tourists for lying and manipulating facts as well as pushing hatred and bigotry. That is where my anger is directed. I assume we agree though that it was vile and wrong to talk about the Maestro actress in the way they did, right? To talk about a real human being like they’re an object or an animal. If you agree on that, we’re moving the same direction regardless of whether we both like the same eras.
@edgierthanthou fans have their right to talk about it how they feel. And I agree with nerdrotic. And I don't believe there was anything vile said. If the production crew and cast of doctor who didn't want to be insulted, then maybe they shouldn't have insulted the fans first. It is rather quite simple to understand. Also the only hatred, bigotry and manipulation of facts is from the cast and crew of doctor who.
@@edgierthanthou As I have stated, I am a Classic Who guy, that being said I have no right to comment on current issues. I do feel it heartbreaking that the fandom isn't just divided. It's broken. I am nearly 61, and never have I seen a Fandom tearing itself so much before. I believe Who fans are the most passionate of any property.
@TESDAnt21 please point me to where they said anything approximating “the fans are disgusting creatures and things” Also please explain why that is anything but a vile way to talk about a person. There has not been bigotry coming out of the Who cast, but there sure is coming out of the guy whose reviews open with pointing out the race of every character.
@chrisgorton4577 as someone who likes classic who quite a lot, I’ll tell you that there are plenty of pockets of happy spaces and places to talk and share love of the franchise as well as criticism of episodes new and old. I hope that the virulent anger subsides too.
let's be a realist here, we all have movies and shows that we like but we all know they are crap. and being an adult means that you accept it when they are bad and you can be critical about it, the same happened to DR. WHO. yuo can shit on them all you want but they are right in the end. and the MeSsAgE is everywhere, literally, and that is too much for regular people. I am 35+ and met thousands of people and I can count on 1 hand how many LGBT people I met. on the other hand the media portrays this like every third person is from them. and the writing quality dropped significantly in the last 5 years. even my dad and my brother are asking me what happened because new movies are so bad they tune out in less than 10-20 minutes of watchtime. calling them namees and insulting them just shows how you're the target audience for this subpar shit the woke media is excreting from its anus. I really hope you'll grow up to be critical and obtain some common sense
@csuree87 They’re not right mainly because this era has so far been pretty dang good. Especially Gatwa. What’s the message and why is it bad? I’ve sure met lots of LGBT people. Have you considered maybe they don’t want to tell you? Also why is it that y’all seem to care so much that I make fun of the guys who called a real human actress an object and a “disgusting creature”? Look inward sir. I made a couple of jokes at their expense. They acted like demons. They earned it.
Tell me you haven't watched any of these creators content with out saying you've never watched their content. I tip my hat to your click bait though, it got me to watch. Carry on edgy lord 🫡
Wow home slice didn’t even make it 3 minutes. Once again I am proven correct that the TCD and related fanbases shit their pants at the mere sight of disagreement
I have no issue with your disagreement with their opinions, discourse is the best part of social media. I'm pointing out that your assessment of them as "TOURISTS" in big bold letters is incorrect. By calling them tourists you infer that they lack knowledge on the subject and therefore have no authority to make an educated assessment of the quality of the current content in comparison to the past. I'm saying you clearly haven't been paying attention to their videos on Dr. Who or you would know that is incorrect. Especially in regards to Nerdrotic and Mauler. Or you do know and just take clips out of context to make your content. Grifting from the grifters. I'm checking out your videos now to see your level of authority. Looking to see if you "Show your long boxes" as they say.
@brotherruddlock8905 so yes you didn’t watch the video in which I explicitly describe exactly what I mean by tourist and why I’m using the term. I was fairly precise in exactly what I mean, more than any of them can say that’s for sure.
@@edgierthanthou I think I got it, you pointed out that you were incorrectly titled a tourist in the Star wars fandom despite being a long time fan because you had an unpopular opinion and how it was incorrect. Then you explained how you were now going to do it to them for the same reason, but it's correct this time, because.
@brotherruddlock8905 I made the point that I’m calling them tourists because their discourse surrounding doctor who is complete nonsense and completely outside the realm of reasonability. Their takes are utter nonsense to the point that they may as well have never watched the show. You’ll also note that I barely talked about mauler except to point out his convenient silence while his cohosts said repulsive things about a random actress they’ve never met AND I literally said Gary is probably the biggest doctor who fan in the room based on what he said even though he offered literally zero insight.
As a queer woman of color, I'm upset about being used by Hollywood to push social politics. I don't need folks from L.A. telling me how oppressed I am thanks. Plus this kid here is just envious
@@ElanaVital83 y’all using the jealousy gambit as though the critical drinker’s isn’t about complaining that other writers are more successful than him I already destroyed that trash argument. Also my most successful content is about my love of art, not these weirdos. Failures all around.
@edgierthanthou You're actions, love. You're obsessed with raging at any creator who doesn't agree with you politically yet has the audacity to have a bigger fanbase
It must be 'Dr. Who Fatigue' causing the audience to abandon the series. Damned bad luck about that and just at a time when the public is clamoring for more box-checking representation.
Yes incredible incident isn't it? Just like with the Superhero fatigue. Wait didn't The Batman make a lot of money when Disney said that about their franchises? Hmmm... What's that smell?
Thank you for making this video. I remember feeling incredibly uncomfortable watching Drinkers video. I didn’t leave a comment on his video because I was afraid of backlash. I know that he and a lot of his audience have conservative views, and usually I don’t feel uncomfortable disagreeing with people there. People are usually very nice there, but this video set a different tone. One that really said attack anyone that’s different, and as a member of the queer community it was the first time that I had ever felt unsafe and unwanted in that space. To call a human being a ‘disgusting thing’ just for doing their job is a whole other level of unacceptable behaviour.
I’m sorry that it took you to that space. I know how much that sucks and how it can shake your security. Luckily, in the real world out here, most people know this isn’t how folks should be treated or how mild disagreement should be handled.
I don't think that nowadays you really come across people that really have a problem with your sexuality please stop turning you into a victim without even having the experience. As you said you didn't even try to comment so your argument is a completely hypothetical one. I'm brown skinned and the experiences with racism in the modern world at least here in the west I can coun't on a single hand. Even conservatives are very progressive when compared to how peole were let's say in the 1920. Nobody cares about your sexuality nor about Jinkx''. The Rocky Horror picture show is a very beloved musical and while back then catholics had something to say about it you would be hard pressed to find today someone who thinks it would be inappropriate to show. Well maybe Matt Walsh but who cares about what he has to say. What people care about is that constant woke messaging that they got so tired off. In an escapist series I want to see something that is completely removed from this world not constantly making references to the culture war. People really don't care anymore who you sleep with. It's just they had enough to always be fed the same formula. The problem is that these types of choices are very predictable. They essentially just invert everything and try to serve it to you as some kind of subversive plot when it's not. If the protagonist is a man they make it a woman, is it a scene where the characters would kiss they don't kiss now. There is also a very strange sexlessness going on in media right now. If you are interested in that topic I would recommend to you read the article Why is sex in movies declining? by Stephen Follows. Have fun. Edit: No it's not unacceptable to call someone or something disgusting. I have several gay friends (I'm brazilian) and when we are in Rio and roaming the streets it often happens that they start to kiss. Since I'm not gay I don't find to bearded gay dudes particularly appealing and yes it disguststs me. But that doesn't mean I treat my friend with any less respect because of it. You seem to have problem understanding just because someone feels disgust he can't possibly like or respect a person. That couldn't be furhter from the truth. Now the problem is that Dr. Who is a series for predominantly heterosexual people. It would just be the wrong place. Look at Queer as Folk. It had tremendous success because it understood their audience.
@@EbonyPope The problem is that all words have impact. Firstly I don’t believe that you have any gay friends, not if you find them disgusting.You might know gay people, but you’re obviously not their friends. I don’t find any of my friends disgusting! I would never say that about another person let alone a friend. Secondly, words have impact. Unfortunately, the person they were calling disgusting is trans. I’m not sure if you’re aware but violence against trans people is very real. All Justified by people like you. People who minimise, forgive and justify all while people are being harmed. Real people! Not TV characters. I will educate myself on the conspiracy you cited in your post when you educate yourself on the attempted genocide of trans people, that is still happening in some countries and and usually starts with words like disgusting.
@@alisontheanimal4009 First I never said I find him disgusting. I said I am disgusted by them kissing. Just like you might find it disgusting to see your parents kissing. Does that mean you hate your parents? Surely not. And yes I do have two very good gay friends. One is a singer that lived for quite a while in my apartment when he came to Germany the other one is a good friend of mine I got to know in Rio. He was hitting on me but I told him I wasn't into guys so he introduced me to one of his female friends. We talked a lot to each other and that is how we became friends. I don't care if you think I'm lying. I know I'm not. You seem to really have a big problem to grasp the fact that some things aren't black and white. Yes I'm aware that this person is trans. And no finding something disgusting isn't the same as violence. I would be the first to step in if I witnessed violence against a trans person because I have a very firm believe that you should not bully someone because he is different than you. But that doesn not mean that I have to like how the person looks. As I said you really seem to have a hard time understanding that. A transperson that doesn't really pass is not an appealing look for me. But just like any other grown person I can distinguish between feature of the person I dislike and the person itself. If you can't do that that's on you not on me. I wasn't citing some conspiracy theory nice framing there trying to depict me as some nut. The trend of less and less romantic scenes isn't something made up. Look up the releases of romcoms in the last few years. It's just something that came to mind when talking about movies and trends. Edit: Please tell me why I have to like to see two bearded men kissing. I would really love to hear that argument. And why do you think that it makes it impossible for me to like that person.
@@EbonyPope If you’re going to straw-man everything I say or not even bother reading what I say. I can’t even be bothered. Have fun being small minded. I don’t have the spoons left tonight.
Critical Drinker Watcher: "YA! Drinker says it as it is, speaking truth to the powers above who are only obsessed with numbers, regardless of the SHILLS who react against it!" Literally Anyone: *Criticises Critical Drinker* Critical Drinker Watcher: "What, no! You can't do that! He has over 2 million subs! That means he's good!"
@@edgierthanthou The thing you have to realise when you go down into the comments section of the videos is that a lot of people who watch them haven't even interacted with what they're talking about. They go to people like Critical, like Nerdrotic, like RK, to gain opinions to then recite. Hence why so many of their "arguments" boil down to making statements. And by making it a numbers game, that popularity= quality, they can make themselves look better for exploiting the YT algorithm
No I didn’t lmao. I literally separated both arguments. Only one person said the acting sucked (unless Gary made a side comment) and I addressed him directly. How can you watch a video and still not have a clue what happens in it
@@edgierthanthou How can you have a TH-cam channel and not understand how to directly reply to comments? Maybe you should watch your video and see what you actually said.
@@FreemanSC girlie I know how to tag people but your comment showed up in the studio app on one of the weird tabs and I didn’t feel like searching for it here. And yes I literally separated them out. TCD, Shad, RK all were disgusted by the outfit. I addressed the other guy specifically and commented directly on the acting. Maybe you really didn’t watch the vid
Cool of you to make a video expressing yourself i love just no bs real ppl saying how they feel. I get these guys in my recommends all the time and its the same thing over and over. They should have a counter on those multi panel things. It'd be more interesting at least if it can be respectful.
I would love to see it too. I’ve offered before and I’ve seen others offer but it seems as though the way they tend to treat people makes it hard to want to talk to them
Why would any Doctor Who fan or fan of any of these other franchises be "respectful" when the writers, literally, say they're ruining franchises to piss off the fan base?
@@FreemanSC they don’t say that? Also there’s a difference between being disrespectful and being a piece of shit. I cannot fathom what someone would have to say to me to start talking about them like they’re an animal
@@edgierthanthou Taiki Waititi said he was going to ruin Star Wars and RTD makes it known that his audience of older fans who built Doctor Who into a popular franchise are no longer welcome. You can't gaslight people who are more informed than you.
@@ElanaVital83 you realize how you’re only proving you don’t have an argument right? Someone with a point would engage with what was actually said. You can’t do that (because I’m right) so you jump to meaningless insults that make no sense given who you’re defending.
Besides the ones in this video, Nerdrotic’s review of Boom opens with him pointing out the race of every character on screen to complain a character’s adoptive mother isn’t white and that a couple white characters we’ve never met die (in an episode about how one of the white guys is an amazing father).
@@edgierthanthou No. Learn what "hot take" means. And it's not a complaint that the characters are black it's an observation of Hollywood's obsession to pander by race swapping characters even when it makes no sense and breaks all lore.
Why does the Utube algorithm keep recommending me these Channels? Surely it must know that I’m unlikely to watch somthing in opposition to nerdorotic or critical drinker??
If you like football and when you were searching for football content you kept getting recommended rugby you’d probably start getting a bit miffed. In the last few days I seem to keep getting recommended these small channels of 500-1k subscribers/viewers who seem to be shitting on larger channels over Dr who. I couldn’t give a flying fuck about Dr who. Always thought it was shit but hey if you like it why care about what anyone else thinks, whatever floats your boat. Not my place to tell people what to watch or not to watch. Just seems weird that’s all that all of a sudden that it seems to be struggling for viewers these channels start getting recommended
@urbanyeti5233 I haven’t seen any videos to that effect besides my own, but the context is different. TCD etc are political TH-camrs. You should be recommended people who disagree with them. Especially since they’re factually wrong constantly.
@@edgierthanthou I don’t get my political views from film critics! I get my entertainment from them and hopefully one or two decent shows/films I missed. It’s just annoying that I have rolling recommendations and channels like yours keep popping up. I couldn’t give a shit if you think they’re tourists, or twats or whatever just as you shouldn’t care about whether they like Dr who or the characters in it or not. Surely the only important part is whether YOU like it or not. It just makes you sound like some sort of weird obsessive. Do your thing, your channel should grow if the content is good and you should have a happy band of Dr who fans etc that follow you. Shitting on other Utube channels just seems a bit sad and desperate
@urbanyeti5233 I don’t shit on ppl for disagreeing. I argue against them because they lie and toxify film spaces. I’ve directly caught TCD in lies (or humiliating mistakes) about movies numerous times and he uses those lies to make you think movies hate white men or whatever he feels like pushing that day. To quote George Carlin “it’s all bullshit and it’s bad for you”
it's brave to say anything negative about TCD, his fans seem to always be searching for videos criticizing him. I used to really enjoy his stuff but he basically flanderized himself into every single video just complaining about 'woke'. I think the new Doctor Who episodes are "okay". they're fun but I have lots of issues. that being said, I know somebody's complaints against Doctor Who being 'woke' are pretty meaningless. most of these 'Doctor Who fans' are just people who casually watched Tennant's run. personally I think this backlash makes RTD WANT to make the show more 'woke' to piss these people off. if a dude dressed like a girl gets you that pressed, it's time to re-evaluate what you actually care about. also Nerdrotic is hilarious. RTD, a guy who rose to fame with a drama about being gay youths, is now just being gay to be an activist.
I was in a similar boat with TCD. I’m pretty chill with these guys being so pissed because they tend to hate seeing people that are happy. Them being mad is an indication that others are enjoying life.
If putting a dude in a dress in Doctor Who to "own the chuds" is your main goal then you shouldn't be writing Doctor Who. RTD made it clear he was intentionally pushing woke ideology to piss off long time fans.
I watch critical drinker, this channel (and others like it) gets recommended via the algorithms and if you have it on rolling play you end up listening to them by mistake That’s how I image most of the fans of critical drinkers find this sorts of content. I doubt many are intentionally searching for it.
The disgusting comment was by Despot of Antrim and he was referring to the acting which he made abundantly clear in that podcast. I think you are mistaken. Not that he was a fan of the look of the character in the first place but the atrocious acting was his problem and many other people's too from what I could gather.
@@edgierthanthou I watched the whole thing. What I am referring to is the comment of Despot of Antrim. I saw the stream and he was complaining about the atrocious acting. Also the rest of the comments were fine. Maybe not for the overly sensitive people who faint even at perceived microagressions but nothing to see here. Would I point out that just because there is a transvestite in the movie it isn't necessarily a bad one? Sure. Rocky Horror Picture is some excellent acting by the great Tim Curry. But apart from that I don't have a big problem with what was said. I know Drinker's content and he really doesn't care as long as the content is good. I would agree in so far that there is a reflex developing to reject anything that only evokes the mere suspicion of being woke which ultimately can lead to overlook some real gems but that is just a natural reaction. Most people don't distinguish so thoroughly concerning the media they consume. They go by looks. And unfortunately Disney and Co. have done their utmost to create the impression that everything coming from them is just low quality garbage. Because most of it really is. I can' fault the people for becoming overly suspicious when confronted with that.
@EbonyPope I know what you were referring to and I do not believe you. No socially aware human thinks acting that way is acceptable or moral. It’s not overly sensitive to act like an adult. Also lmfao the drinker lies constantly in his commentary to make movies look bad. The dude will straight up just claim events in the film never happened to suit his culture war narrative. That’s an insane thing to say.
@@edgierthanthou No human being? Then you have obviously been living under a rock. Let me assure you that is exactly what most people do. It is called gossipping. Disgust is one of the most common feelings when we have a strong dislike for something. That is really old news. Where did he lie? Can you give me a source? A video where he tells an obvious lie?
@EbonyPope mate i know what gossip is like and people who do it cruelly and publicly suddenly stop getting invited to things. His review of glass onion claims a shot is changed (which would be a plot hole) when in fact it isn’t. His review of Midsommar (which is atrocious in about a thousand ways) claims the film tries to portray a message that isn’t even remotely supported by the text (literally yesterday I asked a friend to describe the film and then showed them what he said and they were flabbergasted), his review of black widow claims black widow grabbing the anti-serum vials was never shown when in fact it was. And so on. Again if these aren’t lies, then they’re embarrassing mistakes that demonstrate in either direction he shouldn’t be taken seriously. It’d be one thing if they were just quick “here’s my thoughts” videos where fuck-ups are natural, but he makes scripted videos that are framed as destructions of terrible plots and yet his ability to summarize plots is so bad he literally tells you things that happened on screen never happened.
I think we found him boys, the first person to belong to the modern audience!
Actually points for a roast I haven’t heard before. Good on you
@@edgierthanthou i actually give you props on this video. I dont think drinker is really that much of a fan on a lot of things so the tourist comments are valid. And he takes the safest route on any controversy.
Glad to hear it! I honestly live for disagreements with folks who actually put in an effort to think critically
youtube recommended this,if the algo recommended this i think its healthy to see an opposing viewpoint. iirc i got baited into anti vax rabbit hole in 2020
@@aSSGoblin1488thing is, it's good to see GOOD opposing viewpoints........ And TH-cam recommendations are always SHILLING viewpoints.
Tell me you're trying to be an episode of EFAP without telling me you're trying to be an episode of EFAP
Wh- what do you think EFAP is? How is this anything like a poorly-argued livestream panel?
There are three really cool little dots next to the bottom of your video thumbnail. Touching them opened a menu, allowing me to select "Don't Recommend Channel."
I just came to say thank you so much for that tip, I really didn't know you could do that and this video really really earned it! Once again, my thanks!
I hope these guys don’t talk about Doctor Who again when the next season comes out I don’t need these people talking about one of my favorite shows
Unfortunately for you, and Russel T. Davies, plus the cast of the new series - ratings don't lie. Historically low ratings, and unfortunately for Jinx, it doesn't look like the show will pick up "two or three new fans" for every one that has left. Also, it is rumoured that the Disney+ numbers were so bad, they were pulled down internally within 36 hours of the first two episodes ending. However, it appears that 73% of their low numbered audience turned episode 1 off before the end...
No I 100% think the show needs to prove itself again after Chibnall (something it has had to do before). Ratings are lower now (although they are split between numerous services so that seems majorly overstated) but if the writing continues to be as good as it is this season or better, I have confidence they can put the pieces together.
Devil’s chord was quite good and Boom was amazing.
@@edgierthanthou
Haha! The only reason Doctor Who is on other services is because the ratings are so BAD. You don't even know how this whole thing works. Maybe you should listen to the videos instead of rage mining for clout.
@@FreemanSC Indeed - if there was no Disney money involved, the BBC would be cancelling this show at the end of the current run. Both ITV shows on at Saturday prime time have beaten it solidly over the last two weekends.
The 90s series 'Gladiators' was recently brought back to the screen and managed 8.7 million viewers for its first show, and performed well throughout the whole run. The reason? They didn't change the format or underlying premise of the show!
What’s even crazier to me is that we are in the midst of GREAT dr who episodes and these people are still shitting on the show.
A while ago this eras “Turn Left” or “Midnight” or “Blink” aired and STILL these TH-cam channels were shitting on it, blatantly lying about the content of the episodes
yeah you have no argument and are clearly just nipping at heels. Gary has been watching WHO since he was a kid in the 70s, Drinker is a well known film critic, and between all those people you are looking at close to 2million subscribers. They run a weekly show on a friday that gets more concurrent viewers than prime time CNN does. Bro take your L and go back to what ever edgy chan board you frequent XD
I know who all these people are. This is a very silly argument. Then again you didn’t respond to any points I made either because you didn’t watch it or because you know you can’t.
Being well known or popular doesn't mean you're smart or insightful.
@@Jacob_Junge
Doesn't mean they aren't.
@@Jacob_Jungethat's not the roast you think it is
@@osets2117 It's not meant to be a roast. I'm saying that popularity is a worthless argument.
>Shilling megacorp slop
>for free
Ew fuck megacorp slop. I like good writing, which this era has a good bit of.
Please by all means break up Disney. Fuck those fuckers
@@edgierthanthouIf you think that this era has good writing, you belong in a mental facility.
@phoenix211245 “if you disagree with my movie opinions you should be locked up”
Well adjusted adult over here.
@@edgierthanthou "all fans who disagree with the current politics of the series are transphobes, homophobes, and racists". Well adjusted adult here.
@@edgierthanthou Recommending someone gets help is actually being well-adjusted. And you, mate, really need help.
Are you joking? Nerdrotic has a huge collection of Doctor Who stuff. Knows everything about the show.
It's just absolute (OBVIOUS) woke garbage now. Ratings are terrible.
Yes I know Gary likes doctor who. I pointed out that that seemed to be true in this very video.
Also what? The last couple episodes of Who have been fantastic. Including the episode they are shitting on a frame from (well, maybe not fantastic. It was definitely on the upper end though). Plus Ncuti Gatwa is a fucking incredible doctor.
Out of curiosity, are you comfortable watching people who single out random actors and actresses to call them “disgusting creatures” and “things”?
@@edgierthanthou when these two, especially the piano they/them freak, tell viewers to f off...yeah I think it's fine.
@GM-db4bv idk why I expected one of their followers to not be a piece of shit.
By the way I went back and checked out one of Gary’s reviews of the recent doctor who and it literally opens with him just pointing out the race of every character. It’s fucking pathetic.
@@edgierthanthou you think Ncuti isn't there just because he's black and flaming gay?? 😂
Have you even seen it? I admit space babies was bad but the rest of it ( devils chord, boom) is good. Having ONE queer character does not make a show ‘woke garbage’ it is just inclusive and it used an actor that was good for the role.
I think they are assuming that the Maestro is the Master's replecament because of the name.
That would make sense but they called a lot of attention to the Master in the specials as being a distinct character. If that’s what he’s referring to then eh that’s fine. Like it’s a forgivable mistake.
@@edgierthanthou
But you don't know and you're assuming.
If you watched the video you’d know I literally say ‘I don’t know what he’s talking about here. This is how it sounds but I could be missing something.’ And ask if anyone had context.
Y’know, basic due diligence
@@edgierthanthou
You should learn how to directly reply to people too. You got a lot of work to do. Haha!
11:50 "I guess he must have gone through a lot of stuff where in previous decades he couldn't be honest.."
My brother in christ, RTD is not just a gay man who went through some stuff in previous decades where he just couldn't be honest with who he was UWU. He lived through and survived the AIDS Crisis. A coordinated effort by the UK and US governments to allow for a deadly disease to rip through an entire demographic of humans that they didn't like, an act of genocide through inaction, and weaponising the fact that it primarily affected that group to further dehumanise and demonise that group, the exact same rhetoric that these people are using in the video (i.e. describing Jinxk Monsoon, not Maestro, as "that thing" or "it").
You want to know what kind of things RTD went through? Watch It's A Sin. It's not fiction, many of the most haunting and powerful scenes of that show are directly based on RTD's own life experience, or that of his friends. The character of Jill is almost a 1-to-1 adaption of one of RTD's own friends, and alot of her scenes are based off stories she told him of what she went through. The sweet sexless Colin's death after unknowlingly drinking from an infected cup, is not only one of the most heartbreaking moments of TV I've ever seen, but was also directly taken from an all-too-common thing that RTD *saw* happen. Boys being shipped home and locked in their childhood bedrooms to die out of sight, out of mind, only to be buried discreetly without dignity because their families were too ashamed. It's A Sin was fictionalised, but not fiction. And the thing is, many of the people who supported that horror in the AIDS Crisis are still alive today, in the general public or in the UK Parliament or US Senate. And the hateful rhetoric they fostered is still being used by people, including these six dumbasses.
But thankfully, their greatest failure is that people like RTD survived, people who could carry their stories and experiences into everything they write. Including Doctor Who. Nowhere near as directly as It's A Sin did, but with his first era of Doctor Who he was able to depict a future where sexuality and gender were fluid, where people like Jack Harkness could be as much of a bisexual stereotype as he liked openly. Every single main character on Torchwood has a same-sex kiss on screen and kind of imply that being in Torchwood has made them just a little bit gay. I've seen people draw the connection to how RTD1 wrote the travelling with the Doctor as being kinda based on what it was like being gay during the AIDS Crisis. Parents and friends telling the companion that they aren't the same as they used to be before they met the Doctor, the joy and the freedom they feel travelling despite the looming danger they face on a daily basis, and still the last thing they ever want to do is return to their "normal" life from before they travelled with the Doctor, give up the joy and freedom and instead be what their family wants them to be, even if they are now safe from the danger.
Ultimately, what RTD went through not only made him a better writer than any of us can ever hope to be, it also made him a better human than any of these coddled babies crying that a drag queen played a villain in one episode that most of them didn't even watch.
Anyway, thank you for coming to my TedTalk, this was way longer than I meant it to be, but I needed to get this off my chest
I appreciate you taking the time to write this out. You’re right and it helps to put in perspective what these people complain about versus what happened in the real world. The queerness being expressed is a celebration of those who survived and will continue to survive through hardship and the prejudice of the time we live in.
@@edgierthanthou thanks it was honestly way longer than I meant it to be, but I just kept thinking of more stuff because that one line really fucking set me off
Yeah it annoyed me a lot too. I’ve been considering reusing the clip sometime later because while it wasn’t exactly the subject of the video, it shows a really fucked up perspective.
It's not the government's job to protect you from your own stupidity. You tend to catch diseases when you engage in unprotected "activities" that we all learned in school, yes they were taught that stuff back then too.
Government funded AIDS hоlоc*ust? You do understand it's in the same category as "nanochips insidе vаcсinеs"?
A good click bait title - nice grift but sorry I could not stay to listen to what you had to say because your voice is like chalk on a blackboard.
Heh, the “critical drinker fans will shit their pants before hearing disagreement” theory holds up
@@edgierthanthouYeah, nothing in your video holds up. And fix your sound set up dude, it is grating.
Rage baiting....it worked it drove most of us to click and comment..so good work. Terrible takes do drive traffic... gotta give you that😂😂😂😂
Not rage bait. I actually don’t like rage bait. I made a thumbnail and title and then dedicated the video to defending that argument
@@edgierthanthou
You asserted that the only problem they had with the Maestro was the costume then play a clip where they're criticizing characterization and acting ability. You defeated your own argument while you were making it. Haha!
You called them "tourists" which is flat out incorrect
@osets2117 did you watch the video? I explain exactly what I mean and exactly why it applies. They’re willing to sell out lying about a franchise they claim to be fans of and whine about and complain the series is ruined over things that have been a part of the series since it’s inception, something a fan wouldn’t do. They may have been fans at some point, but they are no longer.
@@edgierthanthou
Haha! So they actually think Doctor Who is written brilliantly but they're just lying to make money? Hahahaha! That's a huge dose of cope you're taking.
09:20 "...they are just low quality people" Said by someone who says it's absolutely wrong to dehumanize people. Oh the irony.
Why are you commenting the same wrong thing multiple times
Young man. I am a white male born days before the first airing of An Unearthly Child (it was shown again the following week due to the interest in the assassination of JFK shortly before the first broadcast). I grew up with Who, and it grew with me.
Before moving to Florida just over 10 years ago, and in my younger days in my original country, England, I met every Doctor from Pertwee to McCoy. I was involved in running a local Who fan group back in the city of my birth. I spent all my pocket money and paper round money on Who merch, which, once I was working as an adult, and earning real money, I was like a kid in a Who candy store. Even in my new life here, I still spend on Classic merch......I have an understanding American wife, lol.
My point? You won't find a bigger Classic Who fan than me. You don't have to be a fan of what is to be a fan of what was.
I have no interest in NuWho.
Am I angry like you? Why use bad language? What a waste of time and effort and most of all. ....emotion.
You do you. And good luck to you. Everyone else does them. Good luck to them. As my youngest daughter used to say when she was a kid (about15 at the time)...take a chill pill.
Would you call me a 'Tourist '?
I wish you and everyone who is into Who in their way, all the best.
That’s great! You definitely don’t have to be a fan of today’s stuff. I can think of a few changes that might make it less attractive now. Some of them aren’t necessarily bad, just different, and other things that I think they need to fix.
I don’t think these guys are tourists for not liking recent stuff. I think they’re tourists for lying and manipulating facts as well as pushing hatred and bigotry. That is where my anger is directed.
I assume we agree though that it was vile and wrong to talk about the Maestro actress in the way they did, right? To talk about a real human being like they’re an object or an animal. If you agree on that, we’re moving the same direction regardless of whether we both like the same eras.
@edgierthanthou fans have their right to talk about it how they feel. And I agree with nerdrotic. And I don't believe there was anything vile said.
If the production crew and cast of doctor who didn't want to be insulted, then maybe they shouldn't have insulted the fans first.
It is rather quite simple to understand.
Also the only hatred, bigotry and manipulation of facts is from the cast and crew of doctor who.
@@edgierthanthou As I have stated, I am a Classic Who guy, that being said I have no right to comment on current issues. I do feel it heartbreaking that the fandom isn't just divided. It's broken. I am nearly 61, and never have I seen a Fandom tearing itself so much before. I believe Who fans are the most passionate of any property.
@TESDAnt21 please point me to where they said anything approximating “the fans are disgusting creatures and things”
Also please explain why that is anything but a vile way to talk about a person. There has not been bigotry coming out of the Who cast, but there sure is coming out of the guy whose reviews open with pointing out the race of every character.
@chrisgorton4577 as someone who likes classic who quite a lot, I’ll tell you that there are plenty of pockets of happy spaces and places to talk and share love of the franchise as well as criticism of episodes new and old. I hope that the virulent anger subsides too.
3:20 Damn..... wait why is this video 18 minutes?!?!?
…because I wanted to torment you
@@edgierthanthou AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Edgier, any suggestions where i can get a cheap supply of prep?
@agingerbeard I’mnotobsessedI’mnotobsessedI’mnotobsessedI’mnotobsessed
let's be a realist here, we all have movies and shows that we like but we all know they are crap. and being an adult means that you accept it when they are bad and you can be critical about it, the same happened to DR. WHO. yuo can shit on them all you want but they are right in the end.
and the MeSsAgE is everywhere, literally, and that is too much for regular people. I am 35+ and met thousands of people and I can count on 1 hand how many LGBT people I met. on the other hand the media portrays this like every third person is from them. and the writing quality dropped significantly in the last 5 years. even my dad and my brother are asking me what happened because new movies are so bad they tune out in less than 10-20 minutes of watchtime.
calling them namees and insulting them just shows how you're the target audience for this subpar shit the woke media is excreting from its anus.
I really hope you'll grow up to be critical and obtain some common sense
@agingerbeard dude your obsession with me is getting out of hand, please seek help
@csuree87
They’re not right mainly because this era has so far been pretty dang good. Especially Gatwa.
What’s the message and why is it bad?
I’ve sure met lots of LGBT people. Have you considered maybe they don’t want to tell you?
Also why is it that y’all seem to care so much that I make fun of the guys who called a real human actress an object and a “disgusting creature”? Look inward sir. I made a couple of jokes at their expense. They acted like demons. They earned it.
@agingerbeard sir you literally came back to comment that I haven’t posted in a while. This is not healthy behavior
@@edgierthanthou
You should be kissin people's asses that they even bother to comment on your pathetic clout chasing clickbait.
@@edgierthanthou
It's been, objectively, terrible. That's why people aren't watching.
Show me your merch.
Tell me you haven't watched any of these creators content with out saying you've never watched their content. I tip my hat to your click bait though, it got me to watch. Carry on edgy lord 🫡
Wow home slice didn’t even make it 3 minutes. Once again I am proven correct that the TCD and related fanbases shit their pants at the mere sight of disagreement
I have no issue with your disagreement with their opinions, discourse is the best part of social media. I'm pointing out that your assessment of them as "TOURISTS" in big bold letters is incorrect. By calling them tourists you infer that they lack knowledge on the subject and therefore have no authority to make an educated assessment of the quality of the current content in comparison to the past. I'm saying you clearly haven't been paying attention to their videos on Dr. Who or you would know that is incorrect. Especially in regards to Nerdrotic and Mauler. Or you do know and just take clips out of context to make your content. Grifting from the grifters. I'm checking out your videos now to see your level of authority. Looking to see if you "Show your long boxes" as they say.
@brotherruddlock8905 so yes you didn’t watch the video in which I explicitly describe exactly what I mean by tourist and why I’m using the term.
I was fairly precise in exactly what I mean, more than any of them can say that’s for sure.
@@edgierthanthou I think I got it, you pointed out that you were incorrectly titled a tourist in the Star wars fandom despite being a long time fan because you had an unpopular opinion and how it was incorrect. Then you explained how you were now going to do it to them for the same reason, but it's correct this time, because.
@brotherruddlock8905 I made the point that I’m calling them tourists because their discourse surrounding doctor who is complete nonsense and completely outside the realm of reasonability. Their takes are utter nonsense to the point that they may as well have never watched the show.
You’ll also note that I barely talked about mauler except to point out his convenient silence while his cohosts said repulsive things about a random actress they’ve never met AND I literally said Gary is probably the biggest doctor who fan in the room based on what he said even though he offered literally zero insight.
Critical Drinker et al are butthurt over culture war wokeness etc, no time to critique, gotta be aggrieved!
As a queer woman of color, I'm upset about being used by Hollywood to push social politics. I don't need folks from L.A. telling me how oppressed I am thanks. Plus this kid here is just envious
@@ElanaVital83 y’all using the jealousy gambit as though the critical drinker’s isn’t about complaining that other writers are more successful than him
I already destroyed that trash argument. Also my most successful content is about my love of art, not these weirdos. Failures all around.
@edgierthanthou He isn't complaining about their success, he's complaining about their lack of talent. You're complaining about his success
@@ElanaVital83 where did I do that?
@edgierthanthou You're actions, love. You're obsessed with raging at any creator who doesn't agree with you politically yet has the audacity to have a bigger fanbase
Great vid!
Thanks!
Look at you licking the boots of Disney. Good you for you working on the magical kingdom discount. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ew god no. Fuck Disney. Try again
Blake 7, fun show.
It must be 'Dr. Who Fatigue' causing the audience to abandon the series. Damned bad luck about that and just at a time when the public is clamoring for more box-checking representation.
Yes incredible incident isn't it? Just like with the Superhero fatigue. Wait didn't The Batman make a lot of money when Disney said that about their franchises? Hmmm... What's that smell?
Thank you for making this video. I remember feeling incredibly uncomfortable watching Drinkers video. I didn’t leave a comment on his video because I was afraid of backlash. I know that he and a lot of his audience have conservative views, and usually I don’t feel uncomfortable disagreeing with people there. People are usually very nice there, but this video set a different tone. One that really said attack anyone that’s different, and as a member of the queer community it was the first time that I had ever felt unsafe and unwanted in that space. To call a human being a ‘disgusting thing’ just for doing their job is a whole other level of unacceptable behaviour.
I’m sorry that it took you to that space. I know how much that sucks and how it can shake your security. Luckily, in the real world out here, most people know this isn’t how folks should be treated or how mild disagreement should be handled.
I don't think that nowadays you really come across people that really have a problem with your sexuality please stop turning you into a victim without even having the experience. As you said you didn't even try to comment so your argument is a completely hypothetical one. I'm brown skinned and the experiences with racism in the modern world at least here in the west I can coun't on a single hand. Even conservatives are very progressive when compared to how peole were let's say in the 1920. Nobody cares about your sexuality nor about Jinkx''. The Rocky Horror picture show is a very beloved musical and while back then catholics had something to say about it you would be hard pressed to find today someone who thinks it would be inappropriate to show. Well maybe Matt Walsh but who cares about what he has to say. What people care about is that constant woke messaging that they got so tired off. In an escapist series I want to see something that is completely removed from this world not constantly making references to the culture war. People really don't care anymore who you sleep with. It's just they had enough to always be fed the same formula. The problem is that these types of choices are very predictable. They essentially just invert everything and try to serve it to you as some kind of subversive plot when it's not. If the protagonist is a man they make it a woman, is it a scene where the characters would kiss they don't kiss now. There is also a very strange sexlessness going on in media right now. If you are interested in that topic I would recommend to you read the article Why is sex in movies declining? by Stephen Follows. Have fun.
Edit: No it's not unacceptable to call someone or something disgusting. I have several gay friends (I'm brazilian) and when we are in Rio and roaming the streets it often happens that they start to kiss. Since I'm not gay I don't find to bearded gay dudes particularly appealing and yes it disguststs me. But that doesn't mean I treat my friend with any less respect because of it. You seem to have problem understanding just because someone feels disgust he can't possibly like or respect a person. That couldn't be furhter from the truth. Now the problem is that Dr. Who is a series for predominantly heterosexual people. It would just be the wrong place. Look at Queer as Folk. It had tremendous success because it understood their audience.
@@EbonyPope The problem is that all words have impact. Firstly I don’t believe that you have any gay friends, not if you find them disgusting.You might know gay people, but you’re obviously not their friends. I don’t find any of my friends disgusting! I would never say that about another person let alone a friend. Secondly, words have impact. Unfortunately, the person they were calling disgusting is trans. I’m not sure if you’re aware but violence against trans people is very real. All Justified by people like you. People who minimise, forgive and justify all while people are being harmed. Real people! Not TV characters. I will educate myself on the conspiracy you cited in your post when you educate yourself on the attempted genocide of trans people, that is still happening in some countries and and usually starts with words like disgusting.
@@alisontheanimal4009 First I never said I find him disgusting. I said I am disgusted by them kissing. Just like you might find it disgusting to see your parents kissing. Does that mean you hate your parents? Surely not. And yes I do have two very good gay friends. One is a singer that lived for quite a while in my apartment when he came to Germany the other one is a good friend of mine I got to know in Rio. He was hitting on me but I told him I wasn't into guys so he introduced me to one of his female friends. We talked a lot to each other and that is how we became friends. I don't care if you think I'm lying. I know I'm not. You seem to really have a big problem to grasp the fact that some things aren't black and white.
Yes I'm aware that this person is trans. And no finding something disgusting isn't the same as violence. I would be the first to step in if I witnessed violence against a trans person because I have a very firm believe that you should not bully someone because he is different than you. But that doesn not mean that I have to like how the person looks. As I said you really seem to have a hard time understanding that. A transperson that doesn't really pass is not an appealing look for me. But just like any other grown person I can distinguish between feature of the person I dislike and the person itself. If you can't do that that's on you not on me.
I wasn't citing some conspiracy theory nice framing there trying to depict me as some nut. The trend of less and less romantic scenes isn't something made up. Look up the releases of romcoms in the last few years. It's just something that came to mind when talking about movies and trends.
Edit: Please tell me why I have to like to see two bearded men kissing. I would really love to hear that argument. And why do you think that it makes it impossible for me to like that person.
@@EbonyPope If you’re going to straw-man everything I say or not even bother reading what I say. I can’t even be bothered. Have fun being small minded. I don’t have the spoons left tonight.
I thought it was hocus pocus
Critical Drinker Watcher: "YA! Drinker says it as it is, speaking truth to the powers above who are only obsessed with numbers, regardless of the SHILLS who react against it!"
Literally Anyone: *Criticises Critical Drinker*
Critical Drinker Watcher: "What, no! You can't do that! He has over 2 million subs! That means he's good!"
My favorite is the “you’re clout chasing” line. Guys your fav TH-camr’s whole job is to talk about people more successful than him
@@edgierthanthou The thing you have to realise when you go down into the comments section of the videos is that a lot of people who watch them haven't even interacted with what they're talking about. They go to people like Critical, like Nerdrotic, like RK, to gain opinions to then recite. Hence why so many of their "arguments" boil down to making statements. And by making it a numbers game, that popularity= quality, they can make themselves look better for exploiting the YT algorithm
Yeah it’s unfortunate but oh boy is it funny.
Thankfully it just ends up meaning I know far more about the stuff they have strong opinions on.
@@agingerbeard Isn't invoking the concept of "a strawman" a strawman in of itself?
@@edwardreed67 Meanwhile, this fella makes countless videos raging that creators (bigger creators) exist...
16 likes...obviously, cannot see the dislikes but add another to this garbage video, insulting others for having an opinion!
Wait do you have a problem with insulting people for having opinions? Did you listen to what these guys said about Jinkx Monsoon?
@@edgierthanthou
They said "terrible acting" and you claimed their only complaint was the costume. You're fake news.
No I didn’t lmao. I literally separated both arguments. Only one person said the acting sucked (unless Gary made a side comment) and I addressed him directly. How can you watch a video and still not have a clue what happens in it
@@edgierthanthou
How can you have a TH-cam channel and not understand how to directly reply to comments? Maybe you should watch your video and see what you actually said.
@@FreemanSC girlie I know how to tag people but your comment showed up in the studio app on one of the weird tabs and I didn’t feel like searching for it here.
And yes I literally separated them out. TCD, Shad, RK all were disgusted by the outfit.
I addressed the other guy specifically and commented directly on the acting. Maybe you really didn’t watch the vid
Cool of you to make a video expressing yourself i love just no bs real ppl saying how they feel. I get these guys in my recommends all the time and its the same thing over and over. They should have a counter on those multi panel things. It'd be more interesting at least if it can be respectful.
I would love to see it too. I’ve offered before and I’ve seen others offer but it seems as though the way they tend to treat people makes it hard to want to talk to them
Why would any Doctor Who fan or fan of any of these other franchises be "respectful" when the writers, literally, say they're ruining franchises to piss off the fan base?
@@FreemanSC they don’t say that? Also there’s a difference between being disrespectful and being a piece of shit. I cannot fathom what someone would have to say to me to start talking about them like they’re an animal
@@edgierthanthou
Taiki Waititi said he was going to ruin Star Wars and RTD makes it known that his audience of older fans who built Doctor Who into a popular franchise are no longer welcome. You can't gaslight people who are more informed than you.
@FreemanSC please provide the exact RTD quote
Haters gonna hate 🤷♂️
Wow you're whole channel is about your jealousy of other creators who are getting more success than you.
@@ElanaVital83 that’s a hilarious thing to comment under a video about guys gathering to be jealous of someone more successful than them
@@edgierthanthou Look at your channel. All you're doing is ranting about creators with higher engagement. Kinda cringe.
@@ElanaVital83 you realize how you’re only proving you don’t have an argument right? Someone with a point would engage with what was actually said. You can’t do that (because I’m right) so you jump to meaningless insults that make no sense given who you’re defending.
@@edgierthanthou I do have an argument: you're acting jealous because you ARE.
@@ElanaVital83 nah mate. I love my life. Try again
Hack click bait. I think ill go watch some Friday night tights...... stop it...... and get some help.
What exactly is one of their "hot takes" about Doctor Who?
Besides the ones in this video, Nerdrotic’s review of Boom opens with him pointing out the race of every character on screen to complain a character’s adoptive mother isn’t white and that a couple white characters we’ve never met die (in an episode about how one of the white guys is an amazing father).
@@edgierthanthou
That's not a "hot take". That's an observation. Haha! You should learn what the phrase means.
@FreemanSC it’s not a hot take to complain that someone is black? The fuck?
@@edgierthanthou
No. Learn what "hot take" means. And it's not a complaint that the characters are black it's an observation of Hollywood's obsession to pander by race swapping characters even when it makes no sense and breaks all lore.
Why does the Utube algorithm keep recommending me these Channels? Surely it must know that I’m unlikely to watch somthing in opposition to nerdorotic or critical drinker??
You don’t think that’s a good thing? Why live in an echo chamber?
If you like football and when you were searching for football content you kept getting recommended rugby you’d probably start getting a bit miffed.
In the last few days I seem to keep getting recommended these small channels of 500-1k subscribers/viewers who seem to be shitting on larger channels over Dr who. I couldn’t give a flying fuck about Dr who. Always thought it was shit but hey if you like it why care about what anyone else thinks, whatever floats your boat. Not my place to tell people what to watch or not to watch. Just seems weird that’s all that all of a sudden that it seems to be struggling for viewers these channels start getting recommended
@urbanyeti5233 I haven’t seen any videos to that effect besides my own, but the context is different. TCD etc are political TH-camrs. You should be recommended people who disagree with them. Especially since they’re factually wrong constantly.
@@edgierthanthou I don’t get my political views from film critics! I get my entertainment from them and hopefully one or two decent shows/films I missed. It’s just annoying that I have rolling recommendations and channels like yours keep popping up. I couldn’t give a shit if you think they’re tourists, or twats or whatever just as you shouldn’t care about whether they like Dr who or the characters in it or not. Surely the only important part is whether YOU like it or not. It just makes you sound like some sort of weird obsessive. Do your thing, your channel should grow if the content is good and you should have a happy band of Dr who fans etc that follow you. Shitting on other Utube channels just seems a bit sad and desperate
@urbanyeti5233 I don’t shit on ppl for disagreeing. I argue against them because they lie and toxify film spaces. I’ve directly caught TCD in lies (or humiliating mistakes) about movies numerous times and he uses those lies to make you think movies hate white men or whatever he feels like pushing that day. To quote George Carlin “it’s all bullshit and it’s bad for you”
it's brave to say anything negative about TCD, his fans seem to always be searching for videos criticizing him. I used to really enjoy his stuff but he basically flanderized himself into every single video just complaining about 'woke'. I think the new Doctor Who episodes are "okay". they're fun but I have lots of issues. that being said, I know somebody's complaints against Doctor Who being 'woke' are pretty meaningless. most of these 'Doctor Who fans' are just people who casually watched Tennant's run. personally I think this backlash makes RTD WANT to make the show more 'woke' to piss these people off. if a dude dressed like a girl gets you that pressed, it's time to re-evaluate what you actually care about.
also Nerdrotic is hilarious. RTD, a guy who rose to fame with a drama about being gay youths, is now just being gay to be an activist.
I was in a similar boat with TCD. I’m pretty chill with these guys being so pissed because they tend to hate seeing people that are happy. Them being mad is an indication that others are enjoying life.
If putting a dude in a dress in Doctor Who to "own the chuds" is your main goal then you shouldn't be writing Doctor Who. RTD made it clear he was intentionally pushing woke ideology to piss off long time fans.
I watch critical drinker, this channel (and others like it) gets recommended via the algorithms and if you have it on rolling play you end up listening to them by mistake That’s how I image most of the fans of critical drinkers find this sorts of content. I doubt many are intentionally searching for it.
The disgusting comment was by Despot of Antrim and he was referring to the acting which he made abundantly clear in that podcast. I think you are mistaken. Not that he was a fan of the look of the character in the first place but the atrocious acting was his problem and many other people's too from what I could gather.
No it wasn’t. Watch the whole thing. Multiple of them get in on it by the end specifically in reference to the PERSON Jinkx Monsoon
@@edgierthanthou I watched the whole thing. What I am referring to is the comment of Despot of Antrim. I saw the stream and he was complaining about the atrocious acting. Also the rest of the comments were fine. Maybe not for the overly sensitive people who faint even at perceived microagressions but nothing to see here. Would I point out that just because there is a transvestite in the movie it isn't necessarily a bad one? Sure. Rocky Horror Picture is some excellent acting by the great Tim Curry. But apart from that I don't have a big problem with what was said. I know Drinker's content and he really doesn't care as long as the content is good. I would agree in so far that there is a reflex developing to reject anything that only evokes the mere suspicion of being woke which ultimately can lead to overlook some real gems but that is just a natural reaction. Most people don't distinguish so thoroughly concerning the media they consume. They go by looks. And unfortunately Disney and Co. have done their utmost to create the impression that everything coming from them is just low quality garbage. Because most of it really is. I can' fault the people for becoming overly suspicious when confronted with that.
@EbonyPope I know what you were referring to and I do not believe you. No socially aware human thinks acting that way is acceptable or moral. It’s not overly sensitive to act like an adult.
Also lmfao the drinker lies constantly in his commentary to make movies look bad. The dude will straight up just claim events in the film never happened to suit his culture war narrative. That’s an insane thing to say.
@@edgierthanthou No human being? Then you have obviously been living under a rock. Let me assure you that is exactly what most people do. It is called gossipping. Disgust is one of the most common feelings when we have a strong dislike for something. That is really old news.
Where did he lie? Can you give me a source? A video where he tells an obvious lie?
@EbonyPope mate i know what gossip is like and people who do it cruelly and publicly suddenly stop getting invited to things.
His review of glass onion claims a shot is changed (which would be a plot hole) when in fact it isn’t. His review of Midsommar (which is atrocious in about a thousand ways) claims the film tries to portray a message that isn’t even remotely supported by the text (literally yesterday I asked a friend to describe the film and then showed them what he said and they were flabbergasted), his review of black widow claims black widow grabbing the anti-serum vials was never shown when in fact it was. And so on.
Again if these aren’t lies, then they’re embarrassing mistakes that demonstrate in either direction he shouldn’t be taken seriously. It’d be one thing if they were just quick “here’s my thoughts” videos where fuck-ups are natural, but he makes scripted videos that are framed as destructions of terrible plots and yet his ability to summarize plots is so bad he literally tells you things that happened on screen never happened.