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I have a better theory, instead of Tony being rename victor it’s in reverse…actual Tony in the MCU was the real victor von doom the entire time that from an young age he was maybe adopted by the starks and renamed tony
He is not a variant, but a face off type enemy. He taunts the Avengers by masking as Tony, reaping the rewards while being Doom. Then he destroys the image of good Tony and uses the resources to make a new empire in the new universe (sacred timeline universe). At the end, a Tony might come from another universe to stop him or he just gets destroyed
I don't understand. This is *not* a variant of Tony Stark. The Russo Bros explicitly stated that he will be playing Victor Von Doom in Hall H. This isn't a story of Ironman turning heel, it's just a variant of Doom. RDJs Doom *is not* a Tony Stark variant.
During the battle of NY, the Shawarma restaurant gets completely destroyed and Tony doesn’t get his lunch. He has to settle for Falafel instead and a super villain is born
I can see this being a combination of Iron Man's origin and Doctor Strange's origin. The stark bomb blows up as in Iron Man 1, and instead of damaging his heart, it scars his face. He escapes the same way by creating armour. But no doctor, including one Stephen Strange, can repair his facial scars. He searches the world for a cure and finds Kamar-Taj and learns sorcery from the Ancient One.
I like your proposition. Seems very logical from a multiverse perspective. It sounds like the premise of a “What If” episode… Like Agent Carter or T’Challa’s Star-Lord 👏👏👏
@@otisdriftwood I’ve seen the theory that it’s the other way around that MCU Tony as we know him is actually the real victor von doom all along but has a similar childhood like he describes but instead victor may was adopted by the starks or the starks change their name from doom to that 🤔
Yeah they specifically said he's playing Victor so I genuinely think he's playing a completely unrelated character. If his face is disfigured and hidden by a mask, there's no reason to worry about in universe characters thinking he looks like Tony
More videos based on groundless assumptions. It's not TONY STARK playing "Doctor Doom" but rather RDJ playing THE CHARACTER of VICTOR VON DOOM. The Russos explicitly state this in Hall H.
@@TheSsjJoker That also will not play out. It's not TONY STARK playing "Doctor Doom" but rather RDJ playing THE CHARACTER of VICTOR VON DOOM. The Russos explicitly state this in Hall H. It is Victor Von Doom who, probably at some point, mindswapped with a Tony Stark variant (possibly 838-Tony Stark, note the authoritarian paradise of Earth-838). Eventually, when things reset, the mind and body of Doom will be reunited for MANY more stories with Doctor Doom played by another actor.
@@ked49 any of us could have been born, or our genetic copy, anywhere on the world in an alternate universe. That person would share some characteristics like intelligence and looks, but be a completely different person based on their culture, environment, and upbringing. It’s probably him genetically, but nothing more. He’s not Tony.
Or maybe Victor has absolutely no relation to Tony and came from a world where Victor von Doom naturally looked like Robert Downey Jr while Tony Stark was played by Tom Cruise?
I was thinking the mind swap is the only way they could really pull it off because Dr. dooms last name is doom after all. or a variant to wear, his name is doom instead of stark
I might be the only one but I think it was the WORST decision to announce RDJ as Dr. Doom before the movie. Do you know how EPIC it would've been if we found this out in the movie and no one knew at all in the lead up to the movie?!? Marvel dropped the ball with this one if you ask me.
My preference is that it’s a completely different character seen only as disfigured or in armor who once he becomes all powerful creates his new face in the image of Tony Stark. After seeing clips from the upcoming D23 projects Disney, Marvel and Star Wars are just falling back on sequels, spinoffs, and rehashing of ideas and IP that has been successful before instead of going in bold new directions and ways of telling stories. Marvel’s magic was getting the casting right and telling great stories with the characters those actors portrayed. As awesome and epic as Downey was as Stark, I wish they had chosen a different actor who would make Doom his own with a compelling story arc as they did with all the characters leading up to End Game. I just think it will be too hard to recapture the lightning in a bottle they had with RDJ as Stark
@@ericbrant6309 I agree with you for the most part. I wasn't excited hearing it was RDJ coming back especially how they announced it. Doom is a character largely masked up and/or scarred, they could've used RDJ's acting chops in a way that made Doom ominous and a great villain, sure. Then they could've surprised us that it was RDJ later. Or they could've gone the route you are mentioning which is just find the perfect actor for Doom. The fact that they had to reveal RDJ before the movie the way they did to get fans excited doesn't give me any confidence in this movie at all.
@@ilexx876 Agreed. If I was Marvel, I would have kept the actor a closely guarded secret in every post credit appearance leading up to Doomsday or even Secret Wars. The mystery of keeping fans and scoopers guessing whose distorted voice in the armor or shadowy disfigured face would have kept audiences coming back but they just went with the reveal of the Russos and RDJ coming back as easy box office draws. The biggest flaw of phases 4 & 5 have been too many weak projects that keep getting compared to how epic everything culminated for phases 1 through 3. Now they’re setting themselves up for failure if this next group of films doesn’t surpass what they did before
Well, yes and no. It would have been a great surprise, but it's achieved what it was supposed to achieve - everyone is talking about it. It's free advertising
@@IanM-id8or sure it's free promotion over a year out from the movie, so who really cares if they are talking about it now? Also it's free promotion while sacrificing an even bigger payoff by revealing it in the movie. Did you watch Deadpool and Wolverine? It's very similar (albeit on an even smaller level) to the reveal of characters that we were surprised with in that movie, if they decided to use those reveals as marketing its simply just not as interesting. Truth be told, an Avengers movie doesn't need the extra promotion that they got from the RDJ reveal, it's a Marvel tentpole, everyone was always going to know about this movie before it came out regardless. I work in marketing, not many products would have had the opportunity that Marvel had with RDJ for this movie. The trailer could've had several scenes depicting Doom, Marvel fans would've been hyped and the reveal in the movie would've been the most talked about thing and they would've been able to capitalize off of that in $$$ immediately. Right now the RDJ thing is going to go stale way before the movie even comes out.
I have a theory that the DOOM in Dr. Doom for RDJ is going to be an acronym similar to E.D.I.T.H. It would be a clever way of making the name make sense!
It is Victor’s powerlessness to rescue his mother from Hell that truly drives him and makes him DOOM. An evil Tony Stark without sorcery is not an equivalent of Doom!
Right. And thanks to Feige and the Russos, we are not getting that. Stark is no equal to Doom. The MCU Doom played by RDJ is Victor Von Doom (very likely from the universe we start from in the upcoming THE FANTASTIC FOUR movie) who, probably at some point, mindswapped with a Tony Stark variant (possibly 838-Tony Stark, note the authoritarian paradise of Earth-838). Eventually, when things reset, the mind and body of Doom will be reunited for MANY more stories with Doctor Doom played by another actor.
Of these options, I very much like the Gulmira Cave branching timeline theory, it seems most fitting, just the right moment to take a left turn, the worst option would be the endgame option it would cheapen his hero arc and sacrifice. He wanders in the desert, Rhodey is dead and never finds him, he has that hood on we see as he's wandering almost like Dr. Doom and just carries the Mk1 mask from the jump jet crash to hide his face.
I watched back the video of them announcing RDJ at SDCC, and they announced him as the only person who could play the role of “Victor Von Doom”. They were specific in using Dr Doom’s full comic name. I don’t think they would have done that if it was just Tony Stark with a different life path
Marvel has a long history of telling us things that are not true, to throw us off, or NOT telling us things, to throw us off. I know that opinions are VERY mixed on casting RDJ for Doom... But there's ZERO reason to cast RDJ in the role, in two films that will be the climax of the Multiverse saga, UNLESS the plan is to have some sort of multiversal/variant/mindswap shenanigans going on. They knew that after all the backlash from fans the last few years over the diminishing quality of the MCU films/shows that some people would definitely say "they're out of ideas, they brought back RDJ as a cash grab". Which if THAT was truly the plan, you don't bring him back to be Doom, you bring him back to be Iron Man again. It's going to be a Tony variant, or something along those lines. Whether you like that or not is a separate issue, but it's going to be a Tony variant who became Dr. Doom or something like that.
Yes, actually there are many reasons that they have chosen RDJ for this role other than your fantasy of Dr. Doom being an Iron MA variant. Bringing back the fans after all the fuck-ups in recent years and having an actor that they can trust rather than a new face are among the strongest reasons.
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Idk I think the idea is pretty cool. Taking the hero of the MCU and turning him into the villain is a cool concept. I mean, there's a lot that can go wrong, but that can happen no matter who the villain is. Just look at Kang... started off so strong in Loki and then the variant in Quantumania get rolled by a bunch of oversized ants and then all the other variants got thwarted by a single person (Loki). Plus the scene with all the Kang variants was so god awful. They looked super corny like they were straight outta the Power Rangers and they all were jumping around and laughing like stupid toddlers or something lol. Granted, they wrote Kang off because of the IRL drama, but it wasn't headed in a good direction anyway.
The MCU needs you more than every. Just pay man whatever he ask for. He is the saviour for phase 6 and 7, and massive fan and co star favourite. Its a mo brainer.
This pitch really does sound convincing and believable, this plot may be used for the future film. This really can make for a perfect What If animation episode.
no they didn't. they named him victor von doom, but never said he wasn't a Tony variant. That allows for several loopholes like, "in this universe his name was changed to vvd" his name would still be victor von doom, but he's a tony stark variant I'm pretty sure they chose tony for a narrative reason and that's probably to kill off peter parker while peter sees his face for the first time
Buddy, they're bringing back RDJ. He's going to be playing some variant of Tony that happens to be Victor Von Doom in some way or another. Otherwise they wouldn't bring back RDJ. And don't give me that "oh they can put prosthetics on him to change his look" BS. They aren't going to hire RDJ just to hide his face. They're SPECIFICALLY bringing him back to reignite the MCU, which means his face will be front and center in a recognizable way. And they aren't going to just say "oh he's just another dude who looks like RDJ", it'd confuse the fans. They're going to base his story off of Tony Stark like some of the theories being proposed in this video, because it's the only way they can have RDJ back in the MCU in a way that doesn't completely confuse the casual audience.
the real doctor doom took the body of tony stark, that's why Robert downey jr after taking the mask off put the iconic tony stark glasses, he simply give us a hint that he is returning as iron man( like he said few months ago in ign review)
If Doom starts out as a variant of Tony Stark it would be a disservice to the character. MCU fan after seeing Doom introduced as a Spider-Man 3 Tony and then the MCU brings in the real Dr. Doom: Hey, it's that emo Tony Variant. Comic book fans: No, it is Victor Von Doom. He was a romani orphan who had nothing growing up on the run from a despotic regime. Despite all that, through pure force of will, he trained his scientific mind to the point he rivals Reed Richards. He trained in magic to the point he rivals Stephen Strange. He suffers no fools and rules a nation that loves him despite being seen as a despot by the rest of the world. He has fought gods and devils, and destroyed universes. He survived having his heart turned to stone, blood turned to acid, and being sent back to the time of the dinosaurs. He helped inspire Darth Vader. MCU fan: Yeah, he's Tony after a bad day and a choice. Comic Fan: Don't talk to me anymore.
My theory on what is going on is demon in armor. It would be the best explanation as for why doom looks like stark. And thus we could have a heroic victor as well, the body of doom with all of the positive traits from both doom+tony like in the comic
He won't be a STark-variant, but probably Doom's mind controls one. It is Victor Von Doom who, probably at some point, mindswapped with a Tony Stark variant (possibly 838-Tony Stark, note the authoritarian paradise of Earth-838). Eventually, when things reset, the mind and body of Doom will be reunited for MANY more stories with Doctor Doom played by another actor.
@@BibleAlivePresentations its still bad, imagine at end they'd swap back to the original actor to play Doom, then we dont care? why? because we are so invested with Tony Doom?
@@Andre-vt4np let’s watch it happen first. First of all you don’t know who the original actors gonna be right? So how do you know that what are you gonna have is our DJ giving an awesome template. If your logic is valid, the MCU is doomed anyway. Because very soon, everyone, except maybe the fantastic four, is going to be recast like very soon, before 2030.
As if there weren't any Comics that made a "disservice" to any character ever according to their own fandom. Particularly not on Deadpool kills the Marvel Universe at least, he didn't bypass any spider sense, or killed a perfectly capable Bruce Banner, or used the mother fucking Puppet Master to kill Cosmic beings, nope, nothing out of the ordinary. Great comic btw, just like many others that did similar things.
Thank you. I really enjoyed your theories. Actually, I wanted you to explore Tony's heavy reliance on AI like Jarvis, Ultron, and Friday. I also like the idea of Tony having multiple personalities, just like Moon Night. Another, one is after Tony meets his future version of his daughter after snapping, something happens in that red land. This one is weird, but why not : Mephisto.
I think the best theory is that he comes from a timeline where someone else snapped, reversed the 5 years of the Blip, and Tony is on a mission to locate/get Morgan back. Taking out anyone that gets in his way. Kinda mirroring Wanda.
More videos based on groundless assumptions. It's not TONY STARK playing "Doctor Doom" but rather RDJ playing THE CHARACTER of VICTOR VON DOOM. The Russos explicitly state this in Hall H.
Yes they said that, but clearly if they are going to show his face and it’s exactly the same as Tony starks, then there has to be an explanation. A character can change their name. He could be born Tony stark and change his name. Cable and thanos can co exist in the same world because thanos is a cgi face that’s different. He can’t show his face and just me like I’m victor Von doom son of w.e his moms name was while looking EXACTLY like Tony stark. That’s why the body swap is heavily in question. The two movie title colors seem to hint that. But him just using the same face and saying he’s completely a different character doesn’t make any sense. It would be stupid. Imagine they casted Chris Evan’s to now be sentry. Same face, but hey he’s sentry now. So the avengers ignore that it’s Chris Evans face? Or do they question why he looks like captain America if he’s not him.
They simply said the name they were familiar with. Also its not like they've never walked back anything from Hall H before. It makes way more sense for it to be a variant then it does for it to be a totally new character they could have gotten any actor for.
@@IreneShardaForever let’s Occam‘s razor your argument. It makes no sense to introduce Victor Von Doom then, even the name! jJust save unnecessary steps and call him superior Iron Man gone bad! But the Russo brothers didn’t talk about things that way. They spoke about the CHARACTER of Victor Von Doom, saying he is perhaps THE most important CHARACTER in all of MARVEL. This is completely obvious skated, and avoided by all these TH-camrs, and so-called hack insiders who are not entertainment, industry journalists. Only the gullible eats from the trough- for two years they’ve been going on and on about Kang and they were completely wrong. Go back to the HALL H announcement. Listen to the entire introduction, which is, conveniently, always edited out of these, TH-cam videos with their theories. The Russo brothers have said years ago that one of their favorite characters of all time is Dr. doom and their favorite story of all time from marvel-SECRET WARS. Reading comprehension 101 shows that the most important character of Secret Wars, either the 1984 version or the 2015 version, is Victor Von Doom.
@@WawaMarvel dude the MCU has already set up a cannon for lack of a better term that one actor can play two different characters in deadpool and wolverine with Chris Evans playing the human torch. its not that hard to believe that Doom isn't going to be a Tony variant they are going to be two different characters with the same actor. but hay thats 's just my two cents we aren't going to know more about RDJ's Doom until the movie actually goes in to production for its 2026 release date
there have been a lot of twists and turns in the mcu storyline, but this one, as jarring as it sounds, is, i think, going to end up being pretty damned awesome. i gotta say, of the 3 guys i believe have the most interests in leaving a legacy with the mcu, its the russos and rdj. so i am very much looking forward to whatever it ends up being that they happen to deiver. in bob, we trust.
I have a better theory, instead of Tony being rename victor it’s in reverse…actual Tony in the MCU was the real victor von doom the entire time that from an young age he was maybe adopted by the starks and renamed tony
As someone who eagerly anticipates every ScreenCrush entry, this was not my favorite video, although, the last entry was probably the best way to navigate through this gigantic mess of general silliness. Keeping it very similar, with just a simple choice, making all the difference, feels about as elegant of a solution, given the subtext, as anyone else has suggested. Narratively, it really does work. Leave it to Colton to find a great way forward. I really hope I don’t hate all of this…
I’ll tell you the best way to introduce RDJ as doom It all starts in season 3 of what if Adapt the comic “what if Tony lost his body to doom forever” Instead of Tony’s mind in doom winning, he loses Tony’s mind in dooms original body is killed Season 3 finale gets a post credit scene It’s doom (in Tony’s body) getting up from the scuffle and getting alerts about the fantastic 4/galactus or both Fantastic 4, doom is in the background lingering, but doesn’t do anything until the end of the movie when their universe is about to be devoured by galactus Fantasitc 4 and doom escape at the same time but land in 2 different parts of the world Doom lands in 616 realizing he looks just like Tony stark and begins to use this to his advantage Armor wars could be done well if they use this doom to intercept starks tech And then dooms day Few movies for other heroes in between Finally, secret wars
Right so I don’t get why their over thinking this and keep thinking this shit is a variant rather then , Chris Evan’s capt, and human torch. Not variants just same actor.
@@KenKidd-to6cf You're not thinking 4th dimensionally. Chris Evans, Captain America, Human Torch are all variants of each other. At the same time, another variant of Human Torch is also a variant of Killmonger etc.
I can see the way Logan from D&W became 10005’s new anchor being take place for RDJs Doom being 616’s anchor being, revealing that 616’s anchor being was MCU Tony. And the way he could repeat that same method to do so would or could have something to do with the Bangles and the Ten Rings, helping him become God Emperor
You're forgetting one aspect of this whole conspiracy to who robert downey junior will be. It has already been stated that he will be playing victor von doom, not tony stack
first hour!!!! whoooooo!!!! I had fallen behind on screencrush videos but I'm glad to be here within the first hour of the upload!!! hopefully we start seeing the MCU turn itself around and be as great as it once was!
If Howard gets a European woman pregnant and that child becomes Doom, that's not Tony. He's literally a different person. Half of the same DNA as Tony Stark, but not him.
@@KBQUALDO I like the idea of Tony having a secret brother that is Victor more than any variant theory. But who knows? New mask, same task could be a reference to the shift from Kang to Doom 🤷♂️
@@Becomingrock agreed tbh them being related rather than variants just seems like a better concept but we will see I guess. I just want them to do Doom justice on the big screen
@@jhsounds oh I don't, no one does lol that's the thing with the presentation of most of these videos. TH-cam is filled with "how/why/when Tony becomes Doom" videos that are extremely confident in the variant theory, and I'm not saying I know that's not the case, but there are other possibilities that's all. It reminds me of when TH-cam knew that Maphisto was going to be in WandaVision
hello there! As much as i love screen crush and the way he delivers insane theories i gotta disagree with this one. The thing is as much as these array of theories are really interesting and might make sense to most of us for Marvel's choice of direction for doomsday it defeats a very important feat of doctor doom. You see these theories only covers the technological side of doctor doom and the "iron man" side of him but forgets the sorcerer part of him. Doctor dooms origins and powers not only has technology bein involved but also magic. He beholds powers of both science and magic. How do these theories or series of events explain how he becomes a sorcerer? This seems very confusing and probably accidenatlly left out by screen crush. It would be better if he explained how he achieved his magical powers. Tbh u really cant and that is why these series of possibilities dont add up and probably isnt right.
In Endgame when Tony is in the elevator with a past version of Howard, Tony asks how far along the pregnancy is, and it REALLY seems in Tony's face that it IS NOT adding up. This Doom could be a disfigured Stark quietly put up for adoption. Not actually Tony, but an older brother adopted by a wealthy and extremely private Latvarian family.
So what if he isn’t Doom? What if he is an Iron Man with a different armor and, while battling during the inevitable incursion, he dies and a Latverian man dons the armor but its security protocols activate and electrify him causing it to be fused and Dr. Doom is born?
I think now it make sense. So how RDJ will become Dr. Doom. Basically just taking from what the Ancient One said to the Hulk regarding the Infinity Stones. When you go back in time and remove a stone in it's original timeline, it will create a new timeline. So when Tony when back into the past to meet with his Dad, already it had been set to lead to a change into the original timeline even though the aim was to go back in time, get all the stones then revive everyone who had been lost from Thano's snap, but those that came back, some came back different, some never even came back, and to restore coverage from the original MCU timeline, this also created an arrival of new upcoming characters or existing characters become someone they where not original meant to be. Another example, the original Captain America. Going back to fix his past, but in a way potentially there might have been two Captain Americas. Well potentially. So in short now it makes sense, at first I felt upset about RDJ becoming Dr. Doom, but how Marvel are strategic about it. Yes they messed it up, but not necessarily in a bad way or with bad intentions. But it all points to...Multiverse and timestones.
What if…(haha)…? “What If” Season 4 explores ALL of these with a capstone finale that leads us to Avengers: Doomsday. This was a truly amazing exploration of the possibilities. Excellent work. I still think I like the alternate birth or plane crash as a child options, but DANG y’all got me thinking about options now. Haha.
I have other interesting idea for how tony become doom. In the ff timeline tony and reed are friends and equal in intellect. But then Galactus came and tony had an idea that reed didnt agree with. Ultron. Tony tried to create him anyway, but reed interfere and accidentally scared his face. Galactus destroyed their universe but ff and tony escaped in another universe but they were separated. He found himself in a universe similar to the main 616 universe but with this difference. There is no ironman. He become the ironman of this universe. With the help of dr strange he studied mistic arts and crafted his signature armor. For awhile everything was ok. He wanted to start his ultron program again but the avengers made hin reconsider. The demons from his past didnt fade away but he didnt let them take control. And then thanos become. Half of the life is gone and tony had enough. He made Ultron and it worked. At this point ironman become dr doom. He made this suite of armor around the world and become the dictator we all know and love. He take advantage of the chaos in the universe and conquered all the planets in the universe. But that was not enough. Galactus is coming and he will do everything to stop him destroy this or any other universe.
Out of all these theories, I hope that what we get will be like the one at 1:54. That way, we can also get a good in universe explanation as to why Dr. Victor Von Doom looks just like Tony Stark
When Disney realized their projects stink and ppl run to movies like Deadpool 3 to just see actors reprise roles. Ppl care more of seeing an old actor, than character and plot. Great future planning for marvel and Star Wars 😑
@@doseoflzrI get hugged and loved daily. I have a family and I teach children. Your comment is asinine. I can have a valid opinion and complaint without needing a hug. Enjoy your day, it’s time to play call of duty with the fellas.
Its gonna be VICTOR VON DOOM, not a variant. I don't remember Iron Man being in Secret Wars 2015. And Secret Wars 2015 is where Marvel is going with Avengers: Secret Wars.
If y’all saw Chris Evan’s as human torch in Deadpool an Wolverine, it shows that same actor can just be used for a completely different character that looks alike and even people in the universe can be confused.
I think the Tony Stark as Doom is a very smart idea on their part. Eases the work needed to provide audience backstory, drive, etc as we have so many previous films with Tony. We just need that little detail that tells us he's a variant and what decision took him on this path (Ultron plot via "globe suit of armor" is very strong imo). Tony has his bots and armor similar to Doom. Etc etc.
In Iron Man 2, Tony's life is dwindling because of the use of palladium in his arc reactor but instead of figuring out the technology left behind by his father, he found his way into Kamar Taj much like Dr. Strange did, learned sorcery and combined his technological prowess with magic. And with the time stone at his disposal, he became obsess of charting the course of humanity, heck even the universe by time viewing much like what Dr. Strange did in infinity war. He's trying to prevent emminent "doom" through precognition. That's why Dr. Strange is hesitant of sharing future events with Tony because its one of the alternate timelines he saw.
After Tony gets rescued from the desert and they went to Burger King, he asked for no pickles. They put pickles on his cheeseburger and that’s when he decided humanity was too flawed to survive.
I think it's likely going to be the theory mentioned in the video where infant Tony Stark is lost & presumed dead then raised by the Von Doom family, OR that Victor is somehow a long lost twin brother of Tony who was found and raised by the Von Dooms. He would make the perfect doppelganger.
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When you present it this way, all the pieces truly are there for Tony Stark to become the next great multiversal threat, especially since he was the one who discovered time travel in his world, which means other variants of himself likely did, too.
In the comics they played a lot with the idea that Kang is Doom’s future counterpart, they even outright state that in the beginning of the original 1984 Secret Wars. That was of course retconed later on to Doom being his ancestor. But what if in MCU Stark as well as Doom is a Variant of Kang. Kang as Nathaniel Richards (according to HWR) discovered multiverse in the 31th century. Stark basically did it in the Endgame. Just like Victor timely he could be the one to come up with Kang’s technology way earlier. Variants can have veeery different appearances as well. And it makes sense that the Sacred Timeline would be built around the death of that timelines Kang, since HWR wanted to prevent the emergence of his variants. So Doom being a closer in terms of appearance to Iron Man, could still be a Kang variant then. But with a story closer to Doom’s comic accurate origins. And instead of Quantumania Kang Doom will just be the one to find a way to gain absolute power and defeat the Council.
Think of all the character building we went through with Tony Stark. From Ironman 1-3, to Civil War and finally the Avengers saga. The idea that Dr. Doom will even come close to that with some surprise appearances in a few Avenger's movies is optimistic at best.
One of my theories about this alternate version of Tony Stark that could happen is that they are going to take elements from comic book storylines. The first one could be that this version of Tony Stark is in fact the adopt a child to the stark family and brother to Arno Stark from the story called “Iron man 2020”, The second part could also incorporate the “Superior Iron Man” idea where he doesn’t follow through with his heroic style instead embraces his ego even more so. And the third could be from the web if story called Iron Man demon in armor where doom and Stark switch minds and von doom becomes tony stark while Tony becomes victor von doom.
This video is insanely good. The idea of "choices" as a theme makes many of the ideas fascinating. I am not a big fan of comics, so I don't care much about separating VVD from TD. Yeah, they are completely different in comics. I get that. But these movies are based on comics, not the comics. They can be very different. That's OK. That's fun. It's creativity at its best. I get that, for the comic purists, this would be hell. C'mon people, if something like what is in the video becomes true, just open your heart and embrace the chaos. If RDJ is not TS, okay. If RDJ is a version of TS that became VVD, that is also okay. Just bring RDJ back to the screens.
Possibly Iron Man 2 after Brody steals an Iron Man suit and Hammer makes his own drone armour. Tony gets threatened that someone else copied him so quickly and decides to up his game by doubling down on making more and more powerful Iron Man suits. Or take a path similar to Dr. Strange, he escapes the cave by building his prototype Iron Man armour. Instead of technology he turns into the mystic arts to remove the shrapnel from his heart and permanently save himself. Then he lets the combined power up from the Iron Man armour and magic to get to his head.
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I have a better theory, instead of Tony being rename victor it’s in reverse…actual Tony in the MCU was the real victor von doom the entire time that from an young age he was maybe adopted by the starks and renamed tony
He got called Tony Stank one too many times and it broke him?
He is not a variant, but a face off type enemy. He taunts the Avengers by masking as Tony, reaping the rewards while being Doom. Then he destroys the image of good Tony and uses the resources to make a new empire in the new universe (sacred timeline universe). At the end, a Tony might come from another universe to stop him or he just gets destroyed
I don't understand. This is *not* a variant of Tony Stark. The Russo Bros explicitly stated that he will be playing Victor Von Doom in Hall H. This isn't a story of Ironman turning heel, it's just a variant of Doom. RDJs Doom *is not* a Tony Stark variant.
@ScreenCrush it would be a lot cheaper and easier to CGI if Tony's transformation is adulthood
During the battle of NY, the Shawarma restaurant gets completely destroyed and Tony doesn’t get his lunch. He has to settle for Falafel instead and a super villain is born
lol
This is pure fking gold 😂😂😂😂
Sushhhh.. Don't spoil it buddy. 😂😂
😂😂
Amen
"under the benevolence of MY iron will" is a great clip choice
I can see this being a combination of Iron Man's origin and Doctor Strange's origin.
The stark bomb blows up as in Iron Man 1, and instead of damaging his heart, it scars his face.
He escapes the same way by creating armour.
But no doctor, including one Stephen Strange, can repair his facial scars.
He searches the world for a cure and finds Kamar-Taj and learns sorcery from the Ancient One.
I like your proposition. Seems very logical from a multiverse perspective. It sounds like the premise of a “What If” episode…
Like Agent Carter or T’Challa’s Star-Lord
👏👏👏
I like this
But it's been confirmed that he's Victor von Doom, not Tony Stark.
But will it be interesting to watch as we've already seen it happen to doctor strange?
@gaganchauhan9244 No, if it was a whole movie.
Yes, if its a flashback to easily explain his origins.
Why are you so sure it’s a Tony variant? At this point it feels like you’re avoiding that obvious question… what if he isn’t Tony Stark?
@@otisdriftwood I’ve seen the theory that it’s the other way around that MCU Tony as we know him is actually the real victor von doom all along but has a similar childhood like he describes but instead victor may was adopted by the starks or the starks change their name from doom to that 🤔
Yeah they specifically said he's playing Victor so I genuinely think he's playing a completely unrelated character. If his face is disfigured and hidden by a mask, there's no reason to worry about in universe characters thinking he looks like Tony
They are not paying him all that money to not use his face
More videos based on groundless assumptions. It's not TONY STARK playing "Doctor Doom" but rather RDJ playing THE CHARACTER of VICTOR VON DOOM. The Russos explicitly state this in Hall H.
@@TheSsjJoker That also will not play out.
It's not TONY STARK playing "Doctor Doom" but rather RDJ playing THE CHARACTER of VICTOR VON DOOM. The Russos explicitly state this in Hall H.
It is Victor Von Doom who, probably at some point, mindswapped with a Tony Stark variant (possibly 838-Tony Stark, note the authoritarian paradise of Earth-838). Eventually, when things reset, the mind and body of Doom will be reunited for MANY more stories with Doctor Doom played by another actor.
What if Happy said no to Tony getting his cheeseburger? Then Tony was so hangry he became Doom.
an utterly sublime origin story full of poetic pathos.
He became Doom after Disney hired him to play him.
lol!!!
"Until he's 90" 😂
Watching these sort of video's is like watching Ancient Aliens.
😂
Truth bomb right there. All speculation and wild theories with little to no facts about what's really going on
Ancient astronaut theorists say yes...
Mcu theorist say yes
Man, I really hope Ultron will get a comeback on future MCU movies
They’ve already said multiple times it’s not Tony Stark. That it IS Victor von Doom.
So earth 11029 demon in armor, body swap
No more like Terrance Howard, don cheadle recasting situation @@ked49
@@ked49 any of us could have been born, or our genetic copy, anywhere on the world in an alternate universe. That person would share some characteristics like intelligence and looks, but be a completely different person based on their culture, environment, and upbringing. It’s probably him genetically, but nothing more. He’s not Tony.
Totally agree@@CMDRFlyAuburn
"They" have also lied about plans and details a multitude of times before...🤔🤷♂️
Might as well include one story. Where Dr Doom was roommates with Tony Stark and swaped his mind with Stark's on here.
That is most likely the storyline Marvel's gonna take on. Nobody seems to know about that particular comic book issue/series. Weird.
Or maybe Victor has absolutely no relation to Tony and came from a world where Victor von Doom naturally looked like Robert Downey Jr while Tony Stark was played by Tom Cruise?
exactly, because Joe Russo told Hall H that RDJ is playing Victor, not Tony, that's what he said
I was thinking the mind swap is the only way they could really pull it off because Dr. dooms last name is doom after all. or a variant to wear, his name is doom instead of stark
@@SeanWheeler100this would be amazing.
I might be the only one but I think it was the WORST decision to announce RDJ as Dr. Doom before the movie.
Do you know how EPIC it would've been if we found this out in the movie and no one knew at all in the lead up to the movie?!?
Marvel dropped the ball with this one if you ask me.
My preference is that it’s a completely different character seen only as disfigured or in armor who once he becomes all powerful creates his new face in the image of Tony Stark. After seeing clips from the upcoming D23 projects Disney, Marvel and Star Wars are just falling back on sequels, spinoffs, and rehashing of ideas and IP that has been successful before instead of going in bold new directions and ways of telling stories. Marvel’s magic was getting the casting right and telling great stories with the characters those actors portrayed. As awesome and epic as Downey was as Stark, I wish they had chosen a different actor who would make Doom his own with a compelling story arc as they did with all the characters leading up to End Game. I just think it will be too hard to recapture the lightning in a bottle they had with RDJ as Stark
@@ericbrant6309 I agree with you for the most part. I wasn't excited hearing it was RDJ coming back especially how they announced it. Doom is a character largely masked up and/or scarred, they could've used RDJ's acting chops in a way that made Doom ominous and a great villain, sure. Then they could've surprised us that it was RDJ later. Or they could've gone the route you are mentioning which is just find the perfect actor for Doom. The fact that they had to reveal RDJ before the movie the way they did to get fans excited doesn't give me any confidence in this movie at all.
@@ilexx876 Agreed. If I was Marvel, I would have kept the actor a closely guarded secret in every post credit appearance leading up to Doomsday or even Secret Wars. The mystery of keeping fans and scoopers guessing whose distorted voice in the armor or shadowy disfigured face would have kept audiences coming back but they just went with the reveal of the Russos and RDJ coming back as easy box office draws. The biggest flaw of phases 4 & 5 have been too many weak projects that keep getting compared to how epic everything culminated for phases 1 through 3. Now they’re setting themselves up for failure if this next group of films doesn’t surpass what they did before
Well, yes and no. It would have been a great surprise, but it's achieved what it was supposed to achieve - everyone is talking about it. It's free advertising
@@IanM-id8or sure it's free promotion over a year out from the movie, so who really cares if they are talking about it now? Also it's free promotion while sacrificing an even bigger payoff by revealing it in the movie.
Did you watch Deadpool and Wolverine? It's very similar (albeit on an even smaller level) to the reveal of characters that we were surprised with in that movie, if they decided to use those reveals as marketing its simply just not as interesting.
Truth be told, an Avengers movie doesn't need the extra promotion that they got from the RDJ reveal, it's a Marvel tentpole, everyone was always going to know about this movie before it came out regardless. I work in marketing, not many products would have had the opportunity that Marvel had with RDJ for this movie. The trailer could've had several scenes depicting Doom, Marvel fans would've been hyped and the reveal in the movie would've been the most talked about thing and they would've been able to capitalize off of that in $$$ immediately. Right now the RDJ thing is going to go stale way before the movie even comes out.
One of your best in a long while! This was a great trip. So many many ways he becomes Doom.
Best topic-to-ad copy transition in TH-cam’s history to date.
He does it almost every video to the point where I know when to skip as soon as he starts transitioning 😂
I have a theory that the DOOM in Dr. Doom for RDJ is going to be an acronym similar to E.D.I.T.H. It would be a clever way of making the name make sense!
It is Victor’s powerlessness to rescue his mother from Hell that truly drives him and makes him DOOM. An evil Tony Stark without sorcery is not an equivalent of Doom!
Right. And thanks to Feige and the Russos, we are not getting that.
Stark is no equal to Doom. The MCU Doom played by RDJ is Victor Von Doom (very likely from the universe we start from in the upcoming THE FANTASTIC FOUR movie) who, probably at some point, mindswapped with a Tony Stark variant (possibly 838-Tony Stark, note the authoritarian paradise of Earth-838). Eventually, when things reset, the mind and body of Doom will be reunited for MANY more stories with Doctor Doom played by another actor.
Well maybe a evil tony stark will get sorcery too!
@@BibleAlivePresentationsI like this theory and I can imagine at the end, when Doom is reunited with his real body…Adam Driver smiles into the camera.
@@aldotheapache9951 Maybe!! Or maybe Jon Hamm... or someone else, definitely an A-lister. Someone who will be Doom for quite a while.
I guess it also depends on which version of Doom you're looking at. He's had a lot of iterations at this point.
Of these options, I very much like the Gulmira Cave branching timeline theory, it seems most fitting, just the right moment to take a left turn, the worst option would be the endgame option it would cheapen his hero arc and sacrifice. He wanders in the desert, Rhodey is dead and never finds him, he has that hood on we see as he's wandering almost like Dr. Doom and just carries the Mk1 mask from the jump jet crash to hide his face.
I'd love to see a "What if" season exploring this transformation from possible Iron Man to Dr. Doom
Please do a video on what theories you got right or wrong through each phase of the MCU. OR the history of Screencrush as a TH-cam channel.
I watched back the video of them announcing RDJ at SDCC, and they announced him as the only person who could play the role of “Victor Von Doom”. They were specific in using Dr Doom’s full comic name. I don’t think they would have done that if it was just Tony Stark with a different life path
Marvel has a long history of telling us things that are not true, to throw us off, or NOT telling us things, to throw us off.
I know that opinions are VERY mixed on casting RDJ for Doom... But there's ZERO reason to cast RDJ in the role, in two films that will be the climax of the Multiverse saga, UNLESS the plan is to have some sort of multiversal/variant/mindswap shenanigans going on.
They knew that after all the backlash from fans the last few years over the diminishing quality of the MCU films/shows that some people would definitely say "they're out of ideas, they brought back RDJ as a cash grab". Which if THAT was truly the plan, you don't bring him back to be Doom, you bring him back to be Iron Man again.
It's going to be a Tony variant, or something along those lines. Whether you like that or not is a separate issue, but it's going to be a Tony variant who became Dr. Doom or something like that.
Yes, actually there are many reasons that they have chosen RDJ for this role other than your fantasy of Dr. Doom being an Iron MA variant.
Bringing back the fans after all the fuck-ups in recent years and having an actor that they can trust rather than a new face are among the strongest reasons.
Geez Ryan save some MCU milk for the other TH-camrs….
This is so random but the way that you seamlessly integrate the content of your ads into what you’re saying in the video is top-tier I barely even recognized I was being advertised to 😂
He’s been getting better and better at this too. Every single one even when even more noticeable is still solid content 😂
They are sellouts. Was liking them,but they sold them self to Disney.
I've watched so many videos, I can tell instantly, sometimes by one word or two, when the ad transition starts.
@@austinhernandez2716 I’m still at like 50/50 on guessing it’s coming that’s hilarious that you have it that locked in
I truly enjoyed today's video on Tony Stark and his choice. I loved it!!!
This all feels very plan B-ish
Oh it 💯% is
It obviously is plan B after dumping Kang they're not even hiding it. Now it's the writers job to make A-list content from plan plan B.
Idk I think the idea is pretty cool. Taking the hero of the MCU and turning him into the villain is a cool concept. I mean, there's a lot that can go wrong, but that can happen no matter who the villain is. Just look at Kang... started off so strong in Loki and then the variant in Quantumania get rolled by a bunch of oversized ants and then all the other variants got thwarted by a single person (Loki). Plus the scene with all the Kang variants was so god awful. They looked super corny like they were straight outta the Power Rangers and they all were jumping around and laughing like stupid toddlers or something lol. Granted, they wrote Kang off because of the IRL drama, but it wasn't headed in a good direction anyway.
The MCU needs you more than every. Just pay man whatever he ask for. He is the saviour for phase 6 and 7, and massive fan and co star favourite. Its a mo brainer.
This pitch really does sound convincing and believable, this plot may be used for the future film. This really can make for a perfect What If animation episode.
That ad transition was buttery smooth. I can't even be mad.
Sigh. He's not Tony Stark.
Yes he his but he will have a different name
I honestly hope all this Stark variant stuff is the new Dormammu.
@@kamerongrossi3471you seem pretty confident about that, are you one of the Russos?
I kid, I kid.
Unless you have factual proof, it's not known yet
Maphisto, sorry got my names mixed up
Love these video essays, they feel like talks you'd hear around a comic shop
They literally said he’s playing Victor Von Doom, not a Tony Stark variant.
no they didn't. they named him victor von doom, but never said he wasn't a Tony variant. That allows for several loopholes like, "in this universe his name was changed to vvd" his name would still be victor von doom, but he's a tony stark variant
I'm pretty sure they chose tony for a narrative reason and that's probably to kill off peter parker while peter sees his face for the first time
Buddy, they're bringing back RDJ. He's going to be playing some variant of Tony that happens to be Victor Von Doom in some way or another. Otherwise they wouldn't bring back RDJ. And don't give me that "oh they can put prosthetics on him to change his look" BS. They aren't going to hire RDJ just to hide his face. They're SPECIFICALLY bringing him back to reignite the MCU, which means his face will be front and center in a recognizable way. And they aren't going to just say "oh he's just another dude who looks like RDJ", it'd confuse the fans. They're going to base his story off of Tony Stark like some of the theories being proposed in this video, because it's the only way they can have RDJ back in the MCU in a way that doesn't completely confuse the casual audience.
dude is just a theory
@@RealEllenDeGeneresI'm a dude, playing a dude, disguised as another dude! 😂
the real doctor doom took the body of tony stark, that's why Robert downey jr after taking the mask off put the iconic tony stark glasses, he simply give us a hint that he is returning as iron man( like he said few months ago in ign review)
Shirt idea: Take an image from Less than Zero of RDJ in a depressed moment. Add an imperfection to his face like doom. Now that's a cool shirt!
If Doom starts out as a variant of Tony Stark it would be a disservice to the character.
MCU fan after seeing Doom introduced as a Spider-Man 3 Tony and then the MCU brings in the real Dr. Doom: Hey, it's that emo Tony Variant.
Comic book fans: No, it is Victor Von Doom. He was a romani orphan who had nothing growing up on the run from a despotic regime. Despite all that, through pure force of will, he trained his scientific mind to the point he rivals Reed Richards. He trained in magic to the point he rivals Stephen Strange. He suffers no fools and rules a nation that loves him despite being seen as a despot by the rest of the world. He has fought gods and devils, and destroyed universes. He survived having his heart turned to stone, blood turned to acid, and being sent back to the time of the dinosaurs. He helped inspire Darth Vader.
MCU fan: Yeah, he's Tony after a bad day and a choice.
Comic Fan: Don't talk to me anymore.
My theory on what is going on is demon in armor. It would be the best explanation as for why doom looks like stark. And thus we could have a heroic victor as well, the body of doom with all of the positive traits from both doom+tony like in the comic
He won't be a STark-variant, but probably Doom's mind controls one.
It is Victor Von Doom who, probably at some point, mindswapped with a Tony Stark variant (possibly 838-Tony Stark, note the authoritarian paradise of Earth-838). Eventually, when things reset, the mind and body of Doom will be reunited for MANY more stories with Doctor Doom played by another actor.
@@BibleAlivePresentations its still bad, imagine at end they'd swap back to the original actor to play Doom, then we dont care? why? because we are so invested with Tony Doom?
@@Andre-vt4np let’s watch it happen first. First of all you don’t know who the original actors gonna be right? So how do you know that what are you gonna have is our DJ giving an awesome template.
If your logic is valid, the MCU is doomed anyway. Because very soon, everyone, except maybe the fantastic four, is going to be recast like very soon, before 2030.
As if there weren't any Comics that made a "disservice" to any character ever according to their own fandom.
Particularly not on Deadpool kills the Marvel Universe at least, he didn't bypass any spider sense, or killed a perfectly capable Bruce Banner, or used the mother fucking Puppet Master to kill Cosmic beings, nope, nothing out of the ordinary.
Great comic btw, just like many others that did similar things.
Thank you. I really enjoyed your theories. Actually, I wanted you to explore Tony's heavy reliance on AI like Jarvis, Ultron, and Friday. I also like the idea of Tony having multiple personalities, just like Moon Night. Another, one is after Tony meets his future version of his daughter after snapping, something happens in that red land. This one is weird, but why not : Mephisto.
I think the best theory is that he comes from a timeline where someone else snapped, reversed the 5 years of the Blip, and Tony is on a mission to locate/get Morgan back. Taking out anyone that gets in his way. Kinda mirroring Wanda.
I’ll come back to this just like I did with the Doctor Doom Kang video you did 9 months back
More videos based on groundless assumptions. It's not TONY STARK playing "Doctor Doom" but rather RDJ playing THE CHARACTER of VICTOR VON DOOM. The Russos explicitly state this in Hall H.
Yes they said that, but clearly if they are going to show his face and it’s exactly the same as Tony starks, then there has to be an explanation. A character can change their name. He could be born Tony stark and change his name. Cable and thanos can co exist in the same world because thanos is a cgi face that’s different. He can’t show his face and just me like I’m victor Von doom son of w.e his moms name was while looking EXACTLY like Tony stark. That’s why the body swap is heavily in question. The two movie title colors seem to hint that. But him just using the same face and saying he’s completely a different character doesn’t make any sense. It would be stupid. Imagine they casted Chris Evan’s to now be sentry. Same face, but hey he’s sentry now. So the avengers ignore that it’s Chris Evans face? Or do they question why he looks like captain America if he’s not him.
They simply said the name they were familiar with. Also its not like they've never walked back anything from Hall H before. It makes way more sense for it to be a variant then it does for it to be a totally new character they could have gotten any actor for.
@@IreneShardaForever let’s Occam‘s razor your argument. It makes no sense to introduce Victor Von Doom then, even the name! jJust save unnecessary steps and call him superior Iron Man gone bad! But the Russo brothers didn’t talk about things that way. They spoke about the CHARACTER of Victor Von Doom, saying he is perhaps THE most important CHARACTER in all of MARVEL. This is completely obvious skated, and avoided by all these TH-camrs, and so-called hack insiders who are not entertainment, industry journalists. Only the gullible eats from the trough- for two years they’ve been going on and on about Kang and they were completely wrong.
Go back to the HALL H announcement. Listen to the entire introduction, which is, conveniently, always edited out of these, TH-cam videos with their theories. The Russo brothers have said years ago that one of their favorite characters of all time is Dr. doom and their favorite story of all time from marvel-SECRET WARS. Reading comprehension 101 shows that the most important character of Secret Wars, either the 1984 version or the 2015 version, is Victor Von Doom.
@@WawaMarvel dude the MCU has already set up a cannon for lack of a better term that one actor can play two different characters in deadpool and wolverine with Chris Evans playing the human torch. its not that hard to believe that Doom isn't going to be a Tony variant they are going to be two different characters with the same actor. but hay thats 's just my two cents we aren't going to know more about RDJ's Doom until the movie actually goes in to production for its 2026 release date
It’s speculation and nerd theory FOR FUN. Get over yourself.
there have been a lot of twists and turns in the mcu storyline, but this one, as jarring as it sounds, is, i think, going to end up being pretty damned awesome. i gotta say, of the 3 guys i believe have the most interests in leaving a legacy with the mcu, its the russos and rdj. so i am very much looking forward to whatever it ends up being that they happen to deiver. in bob, we trust.
whos the person at 1:05 they look familiar but I cant put my finger on it...
Spider man
@Lukathegoat77 its a memory erasing spell joke
These doom videos have been so fun keep em coming. Loving theorizing about marvel and CARING about what is being theorized over again.
I have a better theory, instead of Tony being rename victor it’s in reverse…actual Tony in the MCU was the real victor von doom the entire time that from an young age he was maybe adopted by the starks and renamed tony
After their first child died? His older brother
@@ked49 possibly or another way is in the MCU the Dooms for some reason renamed to to the starks
Great way to be one of the first to attack all these angles! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 this is S-tier
But I feel a huge part of Dr. Doom is his blend of Magic AND Technology. I need to believe RDJ can have a magic side to him.
Like at one point of time Dr. Doom was Sorcerer Supreme, if I remember correctly. New mask, same task can have any number of meanings.
As someone who eagerly anticipates every ScreenCrush entry, this was not my favorite video, although, the last entry was probably the best way to navigate through this gigantic mess of general silliness. Keeping it very similar, with just a simple choice, making all the difference, feels about as elegant of a solution, given the subtext, as anyone else has suggested. Narratively, it really does work. Leave it to Colton to find a great way forward. I really hope I don’t hate all of this…
I’m sure now that disney is paying screencrush for this advert 😅😂
They're gonna milk the content from it until its dry:).
I’ll tell you the best way to introduce RDJ as doom
It all starts in season 3 of what if
Adapt the comic “what if Tony lost his body to doom forever”
Instead of Tony’s mind in doom winning, he loses
Tony’s mind in dooms original body is killed
Season 3 finale gets a post credit scene
It’s doom (in Tony’s body) getting up from the scuffle and getting alerts about the fantastic 4/galactus or both
Fantastic 4, doom is in the background lingering, but doesn’t do anything until the end of the movie when their universe is about to be devoured by galactus
Fantasitc 4 and doom escape at the same time but land in 2 different parts of the world
Doom lands in 616 realizing he looks just like Tony stark and begins to use this to his advantage
Armor wars could be done well if they use this doom to intercept starks tech
And then dooms day
Few movies for other heroes in between
Finally, secret wars
I can imagine if Tony never got hit by the Stark bomb and was instead transported to Latveria.
What kind of sound you use in the background it sounds amazing
I thought he was going to be Victor and not a Tony variant?
He is victor
Right so I don’t get why their over thinking this and keep thinking this shit is a variant rather then , Chris Evan’s capt, and human torch. Not variants just same actor.
@@KenKidd-to6cf You're not thinking 4th dimensionally. Chris Evans, Captain America, Human Torch are all variants of each other. At the same time, another variant of Human Torch is also a variant of Killmonger etc.
I can see the way Logan from D&W became 10005’s new anchor being take place for RDJs Doom being 616’s anchor being, revealing that 616’s anchor being was MCU Tony.
And the way he could repeat that same method to do so would or could have something to do with the Bangles and the Ten Rings, helping him become God Emperor
They've already established he's Victor von doom not tony stark
how about stop killing the fun theory stuff
Well done! I think the Multiverse needed the Snap reversal to come off the hinges so I pick ‘Pepper is snapped’ and Tony does a heel turn in Endgame.
You're forgetting one aspect of this whole conspiracy to who robert downey junior will be. It has already been stated that he will be playing victor von doom, not tony stack
Tony Stack
Stank
Tony Steak
@@marke4576 Tony Snitch
Tiny Stick
first hour!!!! whoooooo!!!! I had fallen behind on screencrush videos but I'm glad to be here within the first hour of the upload!!! hopefully we start seeing the MCU turn itself around and be as great as it once was!
If Howard gets a European woman pregnant and that child becomes Doom, that's not Tony. He's literally a different person. Half of the same DNA as Tony Stark, but not him.
How do you know that the European woman wasn't secretly Tony's mother in the main timeline as well?
I actually like the sound of this.
@@KBQUALDO I like the idea of Tony having a secret brother that is Victor more than any variant theory. But who knows?
New mask, same task could be a reference to the shift from Kang to Doom 🤷♂️
@@Becomingrock agreed tbh them being related rather than variants just seems like a better concept but we will see I guess. I just want them to do Doom justice on the big screen
@@jhsounds oh I don't, no one does lol that's the thing with the presentation of most of these videos. TH-cam is filled with "how/why/when Tony becomes Doom" videos that are extremely confident in the variant theory, and I'm not saying I know that's not the case, but there are other possibilities that's all.
It reminds me of when TH-cam knew that Maphisto was going to be in WandaVision
That was a ton of fun. Thanks!
Oh I thought Young Tony was going to become the Iron Fist 😅
Screencrush is the only channel that I watch that when I watch it I can smell the video store aroma
hello there! As much as i love screen crush and the way he delivers insane theories i gotta disagree with this one. The thing is as much as these array of theories are really interesting and might make sense to most of us for Marvel's choice of direction for doomsday it defeats a very important feat of doctor doom. You see these theories only covers the technological side of doctor doom and the "iron man" side of him but forgets the sorcerer part of him. Doctor dooms origins and powers not only has technology bein involved but also magic. He beholds powers of both science and magic. How do these theories or series of events explain how he becomes a sorcerer? This seems very confusing and probably accidenatlly left out by screen crush. It would be better if he explained how he achieved his magical powers. Tbh u really cant and that is why these series of possibilities dont add up and probably isnt right.
It's Victor von Doom instead of reed being his rival at school it was Tony instead and Victor did a minds swap like Doc Ock did to Peter Parker
They just hired the same actor, it has nothing to do with ironm/doom... Bruh!
Bro it feels like you’re putting the same vid out everyday 😊
In Endgame when Tony is in the elevator with a past version of Howard, Tony asks how far along the pregnancy is, and it REALLY seems in Tony's face that it IS NOT adding up. This Doom could be a disfigured Stark quietly put up for adoption. Not actually Tony, but an older brother adopted by a wealthy and extremely private Latvarian family.
*poor. He didn’t inherit the throne, he took it.
@@ked49 yea dude, I like that. nice observation, genuinely.
Arno Stark...
So what if he isn’t Doom? What if he is an Iron Man with a different armor and, while battling during the inevitable incursion, he dies and a Latverian man dons the armor but its security protocols activate and electrify him causing it to be fused and Dr. Doom is born?
I hope Dr.Doom won't be a variant of strak. Just played by the same actor.
I think now it make sense. So how RDJ will become Dr. Doom. Basically just taking from what the Ancient One said to the Hulk regarding the Infinity Stones. When you go back in time and remove a stone in it's original timeline, it will create a new timeline. So when Tony when back into the past to meet with his Dad, already it had been set to lead to a change into the original timeline even though the aim was to go back in time, get all the stones then revive everyone who had been lost from Thano's snap, but those that came back, some came back different, some never even came back, and to restore coverage from the original MCU timeline, this also created an arrival of new upcoming characters or existing characters become someone they where not original meant to be. Another example, the original Captain America. Going back to fix his past, but in a way potentially there might have been two Captain Americas. Well potentially. So in short now it makes sense, at first I felt upset about RDJ becoming Dr. Doom, but how Marvel are strategic about it. Yes they messed it up, but not necessarily in a bad way or with bad intentions. But it all points to...Multiverse and timestones.
I feel like he’s not gonna be a Tony variant but he’s actually Victor Von Doom but he just happens to have Tony/RDJ’s face
is just a theory mr fun killer
@@carterblake3410its what he thinks
What if…(haha)…? “What If” Season 4 explores ALL of these with a capstone finale that leads us to Avengers: Doomsday.
This was a truly amazing exploration of the possibilities. Excellent work. I still think I like the alternate birth or plane crash as a child options, but DANG y’all got me thinking about options now. Haha.
He was referred to as Victor Von Doom multiple times on stage. No need to milk the topic
Bro told them to say no to more money coded as fake novel content
How are you not gonna milk this topic, they need the revenue.
lol top tier ground news ad placement
When did Tony become Doom?
When Tony Stark died.
When he never had some Pepper
College, like the comics
There is a what if where tony and doom swapped bodies during college days.
What’s up with the music used for the timeline animation? Lame!
I have other interesting idea for how tony become doom. In the ff timeline tony and reed are friends and equal in intellect. But then Galactus came and tony had an idea that reed didnt agree with. Ultron. Tony tried to create him anyway, but reed interfere and accidentally scared his face. Galactus destroyed their universe but ff and tony escaped in another universe but they were separated. He found himself in a universe similar to the main 616 universe but with this difference. There is no ironman. He become the ironman of this universe. With the help of dr strange he studied mistic arts and crafted his signature armor. For awhile everything was ok. He wanted to start his ultron program again but the avengers made hin reconsider. The demons from his past didnt fade away but he didnt let them take control. And then thanos become. Half of the life is gone and tony had enough. He made Ultron and it worked. At this point ironman become dr doom. He made this suite of armor around the world and become the dictator we all know and love. He take advantage of the chaos in the universe and conquered all the planets in the universe. But that was not enough. Galactus is coming and he will do everything to stop him destroy this or any other universe.
Out of all these theories, I hope that what we get will be like the one at 1:54. That way, we can also get a good in universe explanation as to why Dr. Victor Von Doom looks just like Tony Stark
When Disney realized their projects stink and ppl run to movies like Deadpool 3 to just see actors reprise roles. Ppl care more of seeing an old actor, than character and plot. Great future planning for marvel and Star Wars 😑
Someone hug this man
@@doseoflzrI get hugged and loved daily. I have a family and I teach children. Your comment is asinine. I can have a valid opinion and complaint without needing a hug. Enjoy your day, it’s time to play call of duty with the fellas.
Some get this man a hug
😂😂😂 bro tried didn't he @@WawaMarvel
I think someone’s a little bitter. What happened? No Apple juice before your nap?
Its gonna be VICTOR VON DOOM, not a variant. I don't remember Iron Man being in Secret Wars 2015. And Secret Wars 2015 is where Marvel is going with Avengers: Secret Wars.
orignal tony stark from the 616 universe was adopted into the stark family
so *What If...*
Tony stark was once Victor Von Doom before his adoption?
Interesting
If y’all saw Chris Evan’s as human torch in Deadpool an Wolverine, it shows that same actor can just be used for a completely different character that looks alike and even people in the universe can be confused.
Cat really got political at 4 min mark lol Great vid.
I think the Tony Stark as Doom is a very smart idea on their part. Eases the work needed to provide audience backstory, drive, etc as we have so many previous films with Tony. We just need that little detail that tells us he's a variant and what decision took him on this path (Ultron plot via "globe suit of armor" is very strong imo). Tony has his bots and armor similar to Doom. Etc etc.
In Iron Man 2, Tony's life is dwindling because of the use of palladium in his arc reactor but instead of figuring out the technology left behind by his father, he found his way into Kamar Taj much like Dr. Strange did, learned sorcery and combined his technological prowess with magic. And with the time stone at his disposal, he became obsess of charting the course of humanity, heck even the universe by time viewing much like what Dr. Strange did in infinity war. He's trying to prevent emminent "doom" through precognition. That's why Dr. Strange is hesitant of sharing future events with Tony because its one of the alternate timelines he saw.
After Tony gets rescued from the desert and they went to Burger King, he asked for no pickles. They put pickles on his cheeseburger and that’s when he decided humanity was too flawed to survive.
I think it's likely going to be the theory mentioned in the video where infant Tony Stark is lost & presumed dead then raised by the Von Doom family, OR that Victor is somehow a long lost twin brother of Tony who was found and raised by the Von Dooms. He would make the perfect doppelganger.
I was watching a 15year anniversary iron man interview with Favor about a year ago. He mentioned RDJ originally came in to test for Doom
I love that shoe as well. Alot of great foamposite dropping this year and I am 45 so I not sure if I can still pull them off but this pair is runner up for me because the tekken collab is by far the best foamposite dropping this year in my humble opinion.
This is a very creative video 👍🏾 you guys really used your imagination for this one!
Props for Ground news!
That was an amazing breakdown.
When you present it this way, all the pieces truly are there for Tony Stark to become the next great multiversal threat, especially since he was the one who discovered time travel in his world, which means other variants of himself likely did, too.
In the comics they played a lot with the idea that Kang is Doom’s future counterpart, they even outright state that in the beginning of the original 1984 Secret Wars. That was of course retconed later on to Doom being his ancestor.
But what if in MCU Stark as well as Doom is a Variant of Kang. Kang as Nathaniel Richards (according to HWR) discovered multiverse in the 31th century. Stark basically did it in the Endgame. Just like Victor timely he could be the one to come up with Kang’s technology way earlier. Variants can have veeery different appearances as well. And it makes sense that the Sacred Timeline would be built around the death of that timelines Kang, since HWR wanted to prevent the emergence of his variants.
So Doom being a closer in terms of appearance to Iron Man, could still be a Kang variant then. But with a story closer to Doom’s comic accurate origins. And instead of Quantumania Kang Doom will just be the one to find a way to gain absolute power and defeat the Council.
Think of all the character building we went through with Tony Stark. From Ironman 1-3, to Civil War and finally the Avengers saga. The idea that Dr. Doom will even come close to that with some surprise appearances in a few Avenger's movies is optimistic at best.
I like the endgame plot thread because it would then make his story arc go full circle basically
Haven’t watch this video yet… but I’m hitting the like button ❤
In the Comics Dr. Doom rebuilt the Destroyer Armor from Thor. Maybe they can adapt that into the MCU.
One of my theories about this alternate version of Tony Stark that could happen is that they are going to take elements from comic book storylines. The first one could be that this version of Tony Stark is in fact the adopt a child to the stark family and brother to Arno Stark from the story called “Iron man 2020”, The second part could also incorporate the “Superior Iron Man” idea where he doesn’t follow through with his heroic style instead embraces his ego even more so. And the third could be from the web if story called Iron Man demon in armor where doom and Stark switch minds and von doom becomes tony stark while Tony becomes victor von doom.
I wanna see the doom as a stark variant from Armored Adventures where after defeating doom he goes further down that path and becomes doom
This video is insanely good. The idea of "choices" as a theme makes many of the ideas fascinating.
I am not a big fan of comics, so I don't care much about separating VVD from TD.
Yeah, they are completely different in comics. I get that. But these movies are based on comics, not the comics.
They can be very different. That's OK. That's fun. It's creativity at its best.
I get that, for the comic purists, this would be hell. C'mon people, if something like what is in the video becomes true, just open your heart and embrace the chaos.
If RDJ is not TS, okay. If RDJ is a version of TS that became VVD, that is also okay.
Just bring RDJ back to the screens.
I really love your videos and theories, Ryan. That's all.
Possibly Iron Man 2 after Brody steals an Iron Man suit and Hammer makes his own drone armour. Tony gets threatened that someone else copied him so quickly and decides to up his game by doubling down on making more and more powerful Iron Man suits.
Or take a path similar to Dr. Strange, he escapes the cave by building his prototype Iron Man armour. Instead of technology he turns into the mystic arts to remove the shrapnel from his heart and permanently save himself. Then he lets the combined power up from the Iron Man armour and magic to get to his head.
Lots of love for Colton's theories🤘
I really like your Tony's revenge theory I always thought of it as Steve blaming himself for Tony's fall making it look like it was his fault
Victor Von Doom is Tony Starks twin brother, but was born with a scarred face, so his parents put him up for adoption.