I’m not so sure about the practice pistol? If you’re holding the barrel and ‘the attacker’ pulls the trigger, that gun is now out of battery. It won’t fire again until the slide is cocked back. Those two shots that went off probably shouldn’t have
This was an awesome video on multiple levels, thank you for your openness, vulnerability and "objective" interpretation of the training and the psychological/physical factors of training.
Mike, do you/did you ever "wrestle" with being a cop during training of this level? I always spoke on this with current & former cops in training as well as in my current profession. It's something that I'd either see "a cop" or "joe who used to be/is a cop" and they both have very different takes when it comes to protection.
Much respect to you for being willing to upload content that makes you "look bad" (in reality it does the opposite). I know it's not the first time. All about that journey.
Mike is a real one. He can take any smoke. He'll enjoy the suplex to the dome-piece if he can't shake it with sneaky beaky style. But will endure any smoke. Oos. @StreetSenseiMike
Random thought, could PTSD be considered a self induced drug? 🤔 Like people who give in to fear 😩, to some degree, seem to get high on it. 🤔 Instead of 😤 giving the steam.
I’m glad to see actual training note where the guy with the gun actually fights back and doesn’t just stand their while you akido him. I really want to train with Greg Douglas.
The challenge is putting in the reps. It takes repetition to make techniques and behaviors automatic and repeatable, as well as to figure out what works and doesn't work for each of us given individual skill/fitness levels, body types, and communication styles. Great video, Mike. And very cool of you to share both the successes and lessons learned.
I have been sat down by male and female training partners enough times to be pretty indifferent towards it. Sometimes someone simply executes a technique correctly. And that training looks like some of the best fun you can ever have.
I've been bested by a girl in jujitsu class that was technically better than me. The only reason I could defend or even come out on top was cuz I was stronger and still had some experience. But she was TECHNICALLY better and I lost to her a few times.
Yeah bro. I'm with you. Warrior women are out there. To get my black belt, I got my a$$ handed to me by a young lady. For every 1 punch I threw, she landed 3 punches and a kick. I have that utmost respect for a woman's full potential. This was a late upload. 😂
I hear you man. One of the toughest sparring matches I ever had was a woman, and she did the same thing to me. She was a Tae Kwon Do student visiting our school, and I was like "LOL, Take Your Dough", but man was I in for a surprise.
Women who train in combat sports often have the mentality to train harder and recognize most of not all situations against a man is an uphill battle. To “win” we have to be better. I am one of two women where I train, and we have to be more aggressive and assertive to gain the dominant position.
@@Bmoon8907Yeah, it often takes us working twice as hard to be treated half as seriously. It is what it is but I'd like to have female training partners once in a while and not end smelling like stinky pits and ballsack sweat after every grappling session 😂😂
No shame in getting beat by anyone who puts in the time and effort to be a beast like this woman clearly does. My friend Christina and I trade ass beatings in our dojo all the time. She is an absolute fucking unit.
Looking at Asia's build, she really isn't that much different in size from you. They say pound for pound guys are stronger, but that all comes down to how much training each person is doing. As you said, she was better. Does that mean she's gotta train 2-3x as hard as you to get there? Possibly. But at the end of the day, when you met her in battle, that's what she brought to the fight. She seemed to be highly technically proficient, and if you're both coming into it at relatively similary strength, that's going to play a bigger part. Kudos on not being embarrassed you got "beat up by a girl". I mean, it might be embarrassing to get beat up by anyone, and that's fair. I've followed Shivworks and your channel for quite a while, and I love all the content put out by both.
@@joethetoad I have trained multiple martial arts, even competed, am relatively strong for my size, and there are plenty of women who I cannot lay a hand on due to superior footwork, timing, etc. those factors are not to be underestimated.
My entire family, including the teenage son, has trained with Craig Douglas. I’m a female in late 40s and I’ve done 3 classes. They are the best! I get pretty roughed up, and concussed at one of them, but they are invaluable for anyone who takes self defense/combatives seriously.
I feel like maybe the challenge is psychological. After being a cop for a long time, I bet one would grow used to being treated with a wary respect for most encounters in which you would have to consider the implications of your words or actions in a dynamic way. Maybe that's why you're starting off flat-footed during the MUC; you haven't fully yet deconditioned the socio-psychological response you cultivated being a cop.
This mostly comes from a HEMA background, but interestingly, often the best medieval weapons for women to use are the largest ones. Longswords, spear, halberds, etc... Turns out being slightly taller on average gives most men very little benefit when the opponent still has better reach and can take you out with one good hit. And yes, guns also have pretty good reach. Turns out guns are pretty good weapons. PS: I suppose bringing up height when Mike is involved might be a bit unfair.
My authentic behaviour is to be kind. The mistake I tend to make from a life or death situation perspective, is I tend to react somewhat politely and not behave overtly paranoid... I detect indications of risk, and I could establish solid distance and exclaim a clear boundary, forcing the could be attacker to let go of his bluff if he's to persue me... Instead I respond more authentically with how I see myself reacting in a situation and then try to handle it best possible from there. Maybe I ought to start just assuming the worst case situation each time, but if I did so, I'd have to start reacting like that all the time in public, even when it creates an uneasy atmosphere for people around... cuz if you're gonna make it as difficult as possible for a stranger to approach you and get near you, for the purpose of "winning" a scenario, then you better be willing to do the same in public... if not you're better off taking a little more of a chance in general, but having trained for situations which can happen, when you don't completely have your "guard up" at all times. Apologies for taking so long getting to my point :p
Good. That means you're a normal, well-adjusted person. Risk assessment is also a skill, and 99 times out of 100, you'll be perfectly fine. If someone were to try maintaining 6ft distance and frontal view of everyone in a crowded bar, it would look absolutely insane.
I always appreciate your readouts of the Shivworks courses. Great content and your commentary on them is always so honest and insightful. A couple comments... I LOVE the point about conditioning them to sharp hand motion before the gun seizure. That was aces. Asias palm strike is textbook beautiful. I'd put that on a demo film. Most of my perspective on this comes from an international travel, counter-kidnapping concerns not from usual self-defense conditions, so I think I'd be inclined to be much more aggressive. I would be drawing as soon as I saw a second person in the equation, especially if they were trying to maneuver for position. And if they've seen the gun and continue to advance, then I'd probably be shooting and then heading straight to the embassy or the airport. Great vid. Merry Christmas.
I think that the "palm strike" you're talking about is actually intended to be an eye jab without the big clunky helmets. She's just pulling the fingertips back and letting the palm heel hit because those visors are tougher than human finger bones. Craig's a big proponent of it for MUC because it's a relatively low-stakes escalation if you've misjudged their intent.
@@CaymanGiordano I don't know Douglas' curriculum, but I'm pretty sure that palm strike is intended to be a palm strike (not a substitute eye jab). A lot of self-defense systems (Dieter CQD for example, also a lot Krav versions, etc) teach the palm strikes to the head as the primary tool because 1) repeated blows to the head are the most reliable way to stop an attacker and 2) they palm strike is the simplest strike to teach, simplest to use, has the lowest need for accuracy, and works even with fingernails.
I gave up wearing jeans a long time ago. A buddy has hosted several of Craig's classes and I haven't been available. I did go to Cecil Burch's -Just enough Jits class and it was a killa rolling around with someone bigger stronger trying to take your weapon. At 54, if I get tied up, I am immediately going to blade. I am around a SUV 100% of the time so fighting in and around the SUV is a definite possibility. Back in my younger patrol days 90's, about 4 of us were rolling around and trying to figure out a defense against haymakers etc. Good stuff, keep it up.
I have worked with a group that engages in scenario training seminars here in Colorado and I LOVE IT. You can train in class, go to tournaments and all of that stuff but when you are shoved into a car door and the person attacking you has the goal to take you down it gets me going. It is not the real thing but it is as close as we can make it and under pressure is where you find out if you have learned it or have been faking it. Over the years of training I have know black belts that have had their asses handed to them when the real thing came along because all they had ever done was train in class and had never really faced an unknown opponent that was ready to do it. So get out there and get some training under pressure!
Asia is a beast! Her jabs surprised me every time due to, in part, her decisiveness, commitment, and her apparent confidence. Lightening fast, effective, and appropriate. Is that her at 2:23?
Only Icy Mike can unabashedly upload a video showing a woman pile driving him onto his head and still be considered a certified badass! Make no mistake, the woman in question (Asia, if I heard correctly) is also a badass. I hope the structure and alignment of your cervical vertebrae has recovered, Mike.
You’d love AmTac and RedBeard Combatives if you liked this kind of training. I run classes like these, but it’s very easy for the training to fall into a slippery slope where actual lessons cannot be learned. So be sure to always vet where you train.
@@andredubbs4854 There’s certain training that yields no valuable lessons. Let’s imagine you are stacked up on the outside of a building during FOF. And someone from the woods shoots and kills your entire team. What was the lesson learned from that? Don’t get ambushed? That yields no valuable lessons. Force on force can very easily turn into a team death match/paintball/airsoft game if you aren’t careful.
There's always something to learn from Your work. And those who forget that loss is better lesson than win, usually don't do much more than complaining and pointing others mistakes.
I do actually think that the person picking you up being a woman is important. I'm a woman myself, a very small one at that, and practised Judo since I was a kid. My ability to throw much larger man and use gravity is a much better plan than the force of my hands or legs. I'm never going to defeat a larger dedicated attacker even if I had the boxing ability of Clarissa Shields. But I know that I can throw a 200+ lbs man on his skull, against his will, if he has little to no training. I think video evidence of fights back this up. The only time a woman wins this fight is if the man is physically pathetic, doesn't fight back, or she hits his head off of something solid. Only one of those scenarios is within my control.
Just wanted to add, because if the ending segment, that showing a woman being extremely effective using this training against someone who does actually know how to fight, shows it works.
Hmm its an interesting discussion, I think what you say is important, I was actually going to say the same thing about judo girls being able to destroy men twice their size who have no training. As a karate blackbelt, when I started training judo I got thrown hard a number of times by a girl who was a yellow belt and about 20kg lighter than me, thats for sure worth people taking note of, important for women especially to know they have that ability if they get the training on the other hand Mike here got beat at grappling by someone who was heavier and better trained on the ground and as he said, had a more aggressive mindset. so its not a surprise or all that noteworthy weather it was a guy or girl. The take away should be that having more ground skill and a good mindset are a huge advantage to have its true that men have denser muscle and bone and so are generally stronger but the weight discrepancy probably puts them on a level playing field if not her having the advantage already so its kind of what I would expect please let me know if you think I am way of base with those observations though
This video was so cool! Yeah, your nice cuz you're use to being in a non-confrontational mode to impart knowledge as a teacher, constantly trying to meet the communicative style of the audience and adjust it real time to their satisfaction.
You can train all you want to for self defense but you have to remember that when facing an altercation on the street where there are no rules....size and strength become a real advantage. I spent 4 years as a bouncer and either participated in or witnessed hundreds of altercations and despite there being trained martial artists in many of these fights I never once saw anyone display any kind of obvious skill. A real fight is total chaos and technique is usually either ignored or totally forgotten because of stress but size and strength never disappear.
An Icey Mike street beef fight represents that unadulterated American ass-kicking grit. Thanks for the lessons. Next time I spar I will visualize that I am you Icey-Mike and I will move forward and throw every combo like I am the second coming of Icey-Mike. I'll still go light of course, but it is an exercise I will implement.
@hard2hurt your analysis that Asia is strong as shit and dedicated training wise is most accurate. I know first hand myself. Look forward to seeing you in another Shivworks course.
Great stuff Mike. ''He/She is better than me'' it's so important to be able to acknowledge that and then to understand why. It sucks, it messes with you, but swallow your pride and accept it as part of your journey. Merry Christmas, to you and your family.
In EVERY scenario you showed Mike, there's a simple helping hand you never mentioned!! PEPPER SPRAY!! Lol that's my "I can't help, leave me alone" statement. If it's gotten to the point of physical violence the spray is a no brainer, fleeing after the discharge, and then VERY LAST is going for my pistol. Obviously setting will determine the order of those but if you're not in a place you shouldn't be, the chances should be slim, shit happens tho Lol Thanks Mike!!
You raise some excellent points. I reccomend training for the role you intend. "Dirty citizen", i.e one who ready to defend and employ various methodologies and weapons in securing their and 3rd parties safeties. Instructiors referencing local & State laws are important secondary to liablity and realizing no one is above the law. For Corrections and L.E. crowd, again diffierent goals will guide their training because they cannot disarm an attacker and run away and report the incident when safe. They must intercede, secure the scene and any evidence keeping themselves, partners and citizentry all safe in the process. Force on force training defitnitely brings a hard reality of what will and won't work, your actual capabilities with minimal, limited injuries which is great. Instructors like yourself and shivworks instructor are helping our communties be better prepared physically, mentally so thank you for platforming this topic.
Bad ass dude! Even if you're losing your winning going to that corse. That's where you go to get shit that you can't buy at the store from the looks of it.
Hahah you got beat up by a big, strong, fast, well trained girl. I kid brother. Great video! This type of training is always awesome to watch, hope to do more training like this myself.
I’ve done wrestling boxing and bjj and in so instances is to bite pull on soft bits like ears eyes checks and ears if your in danger bite and pull on it all
You said you were involved in over 200 uses of force while a police officer. How long did you work as a police officer? Is this a normal incident count? Average? Above average?
Hey Mike I know it's really hard to give any constructive helpful tips as a youtube commenter and there's a lot of variables involved in these situations so I'm prefacing this by saying I'm sorry if I come off foolish or ignorant, (coulda shoulda woulda and all that) and I'm sorry if I'm presumptuous in any way but I've been in a situation like 10:30 a TON where I train (granted not all the time when a weapon is involved) and can honestly say that drilling techniques like the peak out can really help in situations like this. I know you said you were being complacent and I completely understand and if you already utilize this technique I'm sorry but if there's even the smallest chance it's not something you use all the time (or even if there's someone reading this who isn't aware of techniques like that) since you're not big on grappling I highly recommend trying to incorporate it into your 'more common' moveset.
When I spar my kickboxing instructor I get beat up too. She is like a head shorter than me, thin and weigh 10 kg less(I weigh 62 kg) but I still get my ass handed to me for the same reason as you Mike. She is more skilled and takes the initiative. But I don't feel bad, it's super fun and I am learning.
Having done the MUC stuff myself, it really is deceptively diffficult to simultaneously intelligently communicate and also key off of physical cues and maintain distance. So I really empathize with you there. Also it’s so fucking hard to manage the ramp up. Go too hard too fast and you’re suddenly the bad guy who escalated shit. Go too slow and you’re taken advantage of.
Being beaten in grappling by someone with more experience and who is smaller is normal. Those who laugh at it probably never did it. I can say that when I started grappling, not knowing much, and rolling with a female NAGA champion who was 90 lbs smaller than me I got smoked and choked. She could beat almost any guy or fight them to a stale mate. It was impressive to be part of.that.
Seems one legit critique in that 2 on 1 scenario would be the leap from empty handed striking to gun brandishing. Wouldn’t OC spray presentation, & even deployment have been more prudent than pointing a gun at already agitated people? Albeit OS spray not as likely to be effective in ending the aggression in the event the drunk or the drunk’s friend truly intended to indict serious bodily injury.
Looks like a great place to test yourself. And, yes, if you make a big enough mistake anyone can fool you and get in a meaningful shot. If they train, like she obviously does, that shot is more likely to find the opening you weren't expecting to get attacked from.
Always prepare for the most weird shit ever because it can get crazy and almost like a fantasy movie. This type of training is not useful often but possible. 'That's never gonna happen/work' isn't something that I believe in.
Best video I have ever watched from you at first it was you and Jeff Chan now this is my favorite video, do you know where I can do this kind of Combat training with guns?
"Stop trying to have the last word." The most important piece of advice of all. If the other dude has gone from, "I'm gonna beat your fucking ass" to "whatever man, I don't want to talk to you, just go away," you have already achieved SUCCESS in de-escalation. Time to quit while you're ahead. "just shake my hand bro, so we're cool." "just a fist bump, everything's good, right?" "hey just see things from my perspective, buddy" "lemme just grab you a drink so this is behind us" If you're saying any of this, it's actually YOU who is the asshole. That's because what you're really communicating is that your desire to have "closure" or whatever is more important than their desire to be left alone. There should be academies which grant black belts in Fucking Off
You might have an Aspie-like, highly logical, and compassionate mentality; it would explain your propensity to explain yourself and seek genuine mutual understanding. People like to prey on those individuals. Your response to the _apparent_ “good Sam” was more than appropriate. A defensive display of your firearm would have been tactically, morally, and legally sound, as a prudent person would have apprehended a robbery _of you,_ an assault and battery in the furtherance of a felony (therefore, a forcible felony). You were also employing preclusion. Again, it might have been to late to draw your firearm had he gotten in to close, been more proficient, knocked you unconscious, or rapidly stabbed you w/ Douglas’ level of speed and skill. Well done.
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I’m not so sure about the practice pistol? If you’re holding the barrel and ‘the attacker’ pulls the trigger, that gun is now out of battery. It won’t fire again until the slide is cocked back. Those two shots that went off probably shouldn’t have
This was an awesome video on multiple levels, thank you for your openness, vulnerability and "objective" interpretation of the training and the psychological/physical factors of training.
Mike, do you/did you ever "wrestle" with being a cop during training of this level?
I always spoke on this with current & former cops in training as well as in my current profession. It's something that I'd either see "a cop" or "joe who used to be/is a cop" and they both have very different takes when it comes to protection.
@@AG-ur1lj It was he's gun
Much respect to you for being willing to upload content that makes you "look bad" (in reality it does the opposite). I know it's not the first time. All about that journey.
My daughter, lil ninja that she is, tries to sweep me everyday, she is only successful, let's say 28% of the time.
Mike is a real one. He can take any smoke. He'll enjoy the suplex to the dome-piece if he can't shake it with sneaky beaky style. But will endure any smoke. Oos. @StreetSenseiMike
Uncalled for is up to interruption, but necessary isn't. Oos. Ouchey..,
My everything hurts.
Random thought, could PTSD be considered a self induced drug? 🤔 Like people who give in to fear 😩, to some degree, seem to get high on it. 🤔 Instead of 😤 giving the steam.
9:00 Goddamn, that is *smooth*! That's some real magician's sleight of hand from Craig right there, rewatched that like 5 times
Didn't even catch it before i read your comment
I’m glad to see actual training note where the guy with the gun actually fights back and doesn’t just stand their while you akido him. I really want to train with Greg Douglas.
lol same
Craig Douglas*
If there's a gun with a gun, you're fucked 😂
Bad guy mike is suprisingly good
Surprisingly?? Haha, you should watch him in the Ultimate Defense Championship then!
@AntonAdelson I've seen it already idk why I put the word surprising given his entire demeanour i should have well and truly known even before that 😂
The challenge is putting in the reps. It takes repetition to make techniques and behaviors automatic and repeatable, as well as to figure out what works and doesn't work for each of us given individual skill/fitness levels, body types, and communication styles. Great video, Mike. And very cool of you to share both the successes and lessons learned.
True. You need a lot of humility to just expose yourself to these bad situations again and again. It always feels like there's no perfect outcome.
Something are mind over matter, over reps. Then rep it, of course.
I have been sat down by male and female training partners enough times to be pretty indifferent towards it. Sometimes someone simply executes a technique correctly.
And that training looks like some of the best fun you can ever have.
I've been bested by a girl in jujitsu class that was technically better than me. The only reason I could defend or even come out on top was cuz I was stronger and still had some experience. But she was TECHNICALLY better and I lost to her a few times.
@@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 pretty much my experience more than once
Hahahaha I loved when you got mad in the car “You robbed the WRONG dude” 😂 that was awesome.
Yeah bro. I'm with you. Warrior women are out there. To get my black belt, I got my a$$ handed to me by a young lady. For every 1 punch I threw, she landed 3 punches and a kick. I have that utmost respect for a woman's full potential. This was a late upload. 😂
I hear you man. One of the toughest sparring matches I ever had was a woman, and she did the same thing to me. She was a Tae Kwon Do student visiting our school, and I was like "LOL, Take Your Dough", but man was I in for a surprise.
Women who train in combat sports often have the mentality to train harder and recognize most of not all situations against a man is an uphill battle. To “win” we have to be better. I am one of two women where I train, and we have to be more aggressive and assertive to gain the dominant position.
@@Bmoon8907Yeah, it often takes us working twice as hard to be treated half as seriously. It is what it is but I'd like to have female training partners once in a while and not end smelling like stinky pits and ballsack sweat after every grappling session 😂😂
are you ryu from streets in real life i must know
No shame in getting beat by anyone who puts in the time and effort to be a beast like this woman clearly does. My friend Christina and I trade ass beatings in our dojo all the time. She is an absolute fucking unit.
Looking at Asia's build, she really isn't that much different in size from you. They say pound for pound guys are stronger, but that all comes down to how much training each person is doing. As you said, she was better. Does that mean she's gotta train 2-3x as hard as you to get there? Possibly. But at the end of the day, when you met her in battle, that's what she brought to the fight. She seemed to be highly technically proficient, and if you're both coming into it at relatively similary strength, that's going to play a bigger part. Kudos on not being embarrassed you got "beat up by a girl". I mean, it might be embarrassing to get beat up by anyone, and that's fair.
I've followed Shivworks and your channel for quite a while, and I love all the content put out by both.
But… but… manosphere guys taught me that all men can beat all women in a fight!
Its a generalization. A woman who trains every day is going to beat some skinny internet addict any day.
@@joethetoad I have trained multiple martial arts, even competed, am relatively strong for my size, and there are plenty of women who I cannot lay a hand on due to superior footwork, timing, etc. those factors are not to be underestimated.
@@kevinmurphy5878 i understand that. my point is there is no one who says that any man can beat any woman
@@joethetoad wanna bet?
Craig drew down on that guy like David Blaine gene spliced with Charles Bronson in Death Wish 3.
Reminds me when chuck Norris had a kicking jeans ad in black belt magazine 😂
There are a lot of women who are training very hard out there. Never underestimate anyone is my own personal rule.
Haven't gotten past the youtube ad but I've decided this doesn't work in the streets
I would just see red
Does it make me bulletproof?
@@ArifRWinandar yes
You clearly asked yourself. BDIWITS?
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11:54 just a quick jab to let'em know
My entire family, including the teenage son, has trained with Craig Douglas. I’m a female in late 40s and I’ve done 3 classes. They are the best! I get pretty roughed up, and concussed at one of them, but they are invaluable for anyone who takes self defense/combatives seriously.
DUDE! Asia is dangerous! WOW! She is the person you want with you if something goes down! LOL
She is a beast and yes you want her on your side.
I feel like maybe the challenge is psychological. After being a cop for a long time, I bet one would grow used to being treated with a wary respect for most encounters in which you would have to consider the implications of your words or actions in a dynamic way. Maybe that's why you're starting off flat-footed during the MUC; you haven't fully yet deconditioned the socio-psychological response you cultivated being a cop.
That clicking for you was gold. Peak Hard2Hurt sh!t.
This mostly comes from a HEMA background, but interestingly, often the best medieval weapons for women to use are the largest ones. Longswords, spear, halberds, etc...
Turns out being slightly taller on average gives most men very little benefit when the opponent still has better reach and can take you out with one good hit.
And yes, guns also have pretty good reach. Turns out guns are pretty good weapons.
PS:
I suppose bringing up height when Mike is involved might be a bit unfair.
Guns are the equalizer
@@oz_jones I mean weapons in general are, but guns are also weapons. Arguably pretty good ones.
Mans got tombstoned. You ok fam
My authentic behaviour is to be kind. The mistake I tend to make from a life or death situation perspective, is I tend to react somewhat politely and not behave overtly paranoid... I detect indications of risk, and I could establish solid distance and exclaim a clear boundary, forcing the could be attacker to let go of his bluff if he's to persue me... Instead I respond more authentically with how I see myself reacting in a situation and then try to handle it best possible from there. Maybe I ought to start just assuming the worst case situation each time, but if I did so, I'd have to start reacting like that all the time in public, even when it creates an uneasy atmosphere for people around... cuz if you're gonna make it as difficult as possible for a stranger to approach you and get near you, for the purpose of "winning" a scenario, then you better be willing to do the same in public... if not you're better off taking a little more of a chance in general, but having trained for situations which can happen, when you don't completely have your "guard up" at all times. Apologies for taking so long getting to my point :p
Good.
That means you're a normal, well-adjusted person.
Risk assessment is also a skill, and 99 times out of 100, you'll be perfectly fine.
If someone were to try maintaining 6ft distance and frontal view of everyone in a crowded bar, it would look absolutely insane.
as intense as this is, it looks fun as hell and the information is absolutely invaluable curious how much a class like this is
damn your acting is good
The jeans have the Chuck Norris gusset!
I always appreciate your readouts of the Shivworks courses. Great content and your commentary on them is always so honest and insightful.
A couple comments...
I LOVE the point about conditioning them to sharp hand motion before the gun seizure. That was aces.
Asias palm strike is textbook beautiful. I'd put that on a demo film.
Most of my perspective on this comes from an international travel, counter-kidnapping concerns not from usual self-defense conditions, so I think I'd be inclined to be much more aggressive. I would be drawing as soon as I saw a second person in the equation, especially if they were trying to maneuver for position. And if they've seen the gun and continue to advance, then I'd probably be shooting and then heading straight to the embassy or the airport.
Great vid. Merry Christmas.
I think that the "palm strike" you're talking about is actually intended to be an eye jab without the big clunky helmets. She's just pulling the fingertips back and letting the palm heel hit because those visors are tougher than human finger bones. Craig's a big proponent of it for MUC because it's a relatively low-stakes escalation if you've misjudged their intent.
@@CaymanGiordano I don't know Douglas' curriculum, but I'm pretty sure that palm strike is intended to be a palm strike (not a substitute eye jab). A lot of self-defense systems (Dieter CQD for example, also a lot Krav versions, etc) teach the palm strikes to the head as the primary tool because 1) repeated blows to the head are the most reliable way to stop an attacker and 2) they palm strike is the simplest strike to teach, simplest to use, has the lowest need for accuracy, and works even with fingernails.
Amazing job Mike. Love to see how much you improve in the scenarios every time ya take his course. Definitely plan to do multiple courses next year
I must train with Craig Douglas someday! Serious, I've seen his seminars on this channel a couple times, and it seems about as legit as possible.
Man, I'm just gonna go the Roger Murtaugh route and say I'm too old for that shit....🤣🤣🤣
I gave up wearing jeans a long time ago. A buddy has hosted several of Craig's classes and I haven't been available. I did go to Cecil Burch's -Just enough Jits class and it was a killa rolling around with someone bigger stronger trying to take your weapon. At 54, if I get tied up, I am immediately going to blade. I am around a SUV 100% of the time so fighting in and around the SUV is a definite possibility. Back in my younger patrol days 90's, about 4 of us were rolling around and trying to figure out a defense against haymakers etc. Good stuff, keep it up.
I have worked with a group that engages in scenario training seminars here in Colorado and I LOVE IT. You can train in class, go to tournaments and all of that stuff but when you are shoved into a car door and the person attacking you has the goal to take you down it gets me going. It is not the real thing but it is as close as we can make it and under pressure is where you find out if you have learned it or have been faking it. Over the years of training I have know black belts that have had their asses handed to them when the real thing came along because all they had ever done was train in class and had never really faced an unknown opponent that was ready to do it. So get out there and get some training under pressure!
Asia is a beast! Her jabs surprised me every time due to, in part, her decisiveness, commitment, and her apparent confidence. Lightening fast, effective, and appropriate. Is that her at 2:23?
Man, we just had a very sad and brutal murder/suicide here on Oahu. So this video really hits home
Asia slammed your head... 🎶 In The Heat Of The Moment 🎶
Your defence against the carjacking was done really well. The double tap from behind from the back seat and the lulling through animated gestures.
Icy Mike, I appreciate you. I learn a lot from your videos.
Only Icy Mike can unabashedly upload a video showing a woman pile driving him onto his head and still be considered a certified badass! Make no mistake, the woman in question (Asia, if I heard correctly) is also a badass. I hope the structure and alignment of your cervical vertebrae has recovered, Mike.
3:52 evil Mike😨
YES!!! Finally Mike got some new clothes! LOL We love you bro! LOL
I know I've been asking for ages, but can we please, please, please have "sword fight in an elevator" next.
Been waiting for this video to drop since seeing the scenario clip on IG😂 good stuff
good self realization and insights ..... well talked about anything can happen on the street ...awareness of this is a good thing....
9:02 guy in the back, accurate reaction
You’d love AmTac and RedBeard Combatives if you liked this kind of training. I run classes like these, but it’s very easy for the training to fall into a slippery slope where actual lessons cannot be learned. So be sure to always vet where you train.
Wdym lessons can not be learned, if you could explain it a bit please
I can vouch for both Shivworks and Redbeard Combatives since I've done both. They are excellent training. I haven't done Amtac, so I'll look into it.
@@andredubbs4854 There’s certain training that yields no valuable lessons. Let’s imagine you are stacked up on the outside of a building during FOF. And someone from the woods shoots and kills your entire team. What was the lesson learned from that? Don’t get ambushed? That yields no valuable lessons. Force on force can very easily turn into a team death match/paintball/airsoft game if you aren’t careful.
@@kevionrogers2605 You need to go to AmTac. Bill is one of my favorite people on earth. Chilling with him is worth the price of admission by itself.
@@darklyripley6138 ahh i see interesting point, thanks.
Mike is baaack, baby!!
There's always something to learn from Your work. And those who forget that loss is better lesson than win, usually don't do much more than complaining and pointing others mistakes.
Chuck Norris Jeans. lol
I wish we saw more of Bad Guy Mike. It's terrifying and such a whiplash experience from how Mike usually is
I do actually think that the person picking you up being a woman is important.
I'm a woman myself, a very small one at that, and practised Judo since I was a kid. My ability to throw much larger man and use gravity is a much better plan than the force of my hands or legs. I'm never going to defeat a larger dedicated attacker even if I had the boxing ability of Clarissa Shields. But I know that I can throw a 200+ lbs man on his skull, against his will, if he has little to no training.
I think video evidence of fights back this up. The only time a woman wins this fight is if the man is physically pathetic, doesn't fight back, or she hits his head off of something solid. Only one of those scenarios is within my control.
Just wanted to add, because if the ending segment, that showing a woman being extremely effective using this training against someone who does actually know how to fight, shows it works.
@@FaithRoxbadass. Naturally lower center of gravity is an advantage you got, damn well use it.
Hmm its an interesting discussion, I think what you say is important, I was actually going to say the same thing about judo girls being able to destroy men twice their size who have no training. As a karate blackbelt, when I started training judo I got thrown hard a number of times by a girl who was a yellow belt and about 20kg lighter than me, thats for sure worth people taking note of, important for women especially to know they have that ability if they get the training
on the other hand Mike here got beat at grappling by someone who was heavier and better trained on the ground and as he said, had a more aggressive mindset. so its not a surprise or all that noteworthy weather it was a guy or girl. The take away should be that having more ground skill and a good mindset are a huge advantage to have
its true that men have denser muscle and bone and so are generally stronger but the weight discrepancy probably puts them on a level playing field if not her having the advantage already so its kind of what I would expect
please let me know if you think I am way of base with those observations though
This video was so cool! Yeah, your nice cuz you're use to being in a non-confrontational mode to impart knowledge as a teacher, constantly trying to meet the communicative style of the audience and adjust it real time to their satisfaction.
You can train all you want to for self defense but you have to remember that when facing an altercation on the street where there are no rules....size and strength become a real advantage. I spent 4 years as a bouncer and either participated in or witnessed hundreds of altercations and despite there being trained martial artists in many of these fights I never once saw anyone display any kind of obvious skill. A real fight is total chaos and technique is usually either ignored or totally forgotten because of stress but size and strength never disappear.
An Icey Mike street beef fight represents that unadulterated American ass-kicking grit. Thanks for the lessons. Next time I spar I will visualize that I am you Icey-Mike and I will move forward and throw every combo like I am the second coming of Icey-Mike. I'll still go light of course, but it is an exercise I will implement.
@hard2hurt your analysis that Asia is strong as shit and dedicated training wise is most accurate. I know first hand myself. Look forward to seeing you in another Shivworks course.
Great stuff Mike.
''He/She is better than me'' it's so important to be able to acknowledge that and then to understand why.
It sucks, it messes with you, but swallow your pride and accept it as part of your journey.
Merry Christmas, to you and your family.
In EVERY scenario you showed Mike, there's a simple helping hand you never mentioned!! PEPPER SPRAY!! Lol that's my "I can't help, leave me alone" statement. If it's gotten to the point of physical violence the spray is a no brainer, fleeing after the discharge, and then VERY LAST is going for my pistol. Obviously setting will determine the order of those but if you're not in a place you shouldn't be, the chances should be slim, shit happens tho Lol Thanks Mike!!
Got to send this to Vinny. Good video Mike, looking forward to training with you again.
You raise some excellent points. I reccomend training for the role you intend. "Dirty citizen", i.e one who ready to defend and employ various methodologies and weapons in securing their and 3rd parties safeties. Instructiors referencing local & State laws are important secondary to liablity and realizing no one is above the law. For Corrections and L.E. crowd, again diffierent goals will guide their training because they cannot disarm an attacker and run away and report the incident when safe. They must intercede, secure the scene and any evidence keeping themselves, partners and citizentry all safe in the process. Force on force training defitnitely brings a hard reality of what will and won't work, your actual capabilities with minimal, limited injuries which is great. Instructors like yourself and shivworks instructor are helping our communties be better prepared physically, mentally so thank you for platforming this topic.
If I buy the helmet, can I take the course online?
"Give me my wallet back!" Runs into a door frame a few times and practice escaping.
Love that aqua-bag in the background...but you need the biggest one.
Damn dude Asia has big continent energy.
Holy smokes, that Asia person's movements were impressive!
That lady could beat up the average regular size/strength non trained guy 9/10 times I think.
Bad ass dude! Even if you're losing your winning going to that corse. That's where you go to get shit that you can't buy at the store from the looks of it.
Excellent presentation highlighting your strengths and weaknesses in an Awesome training! Thanks!
Hahah you got beat up by a big, strong, fast, well trained girl. I kid brother. Great video! This type of training is always awesome to watch, hope to do more training like this myself.
Nice work
Southnarc is the bomb!!
Loved this one, Mike.
She was savage, she's a warrior.
No shame in loting to a warriors
Good training
Hey icy Mike
I’ve done wrestling boxing and bjj and in so instances is to bite pull on soft bits like ears eyes checks and ears if your in danger bite and pull on it all
You said you were involved in over 200 uses of force while a police officer. How long did you work as a police officer? Is this a normal incident count? Average? Above average?
And what exactly counts as use of force. If someone tries to run away and I just grab him, does that already count?
It depends on the agency@@gilgameshkingofheroes5903
Hey Mike I know it's really hard to give any constructive helpful tips as a youtube commenter and there's a lot of variables involved in these situations so I'm prefacing this by saying I'm sorry if I come off foolish or ignorant, (coulda shoulda woulda and all that) and I'm sorry if I'm presumptuous in any way but I've been in a situation like 10:30 a TON where I train (granted not all the time when a weapon is involved) and can honestly say that drilling techniques like the peak out can really help in situations like this.
I know you said you were being complacent and I completely understand and if you already utilize this technique I'm sorry but if there's even the smallest chance it's not something you use all the time (or even if there's someone reading this who isn't aware of techniques like that) since you're not big on grappling I highly recommend trying to incorporate it into your 'more common' moveset.
When I spar my kickboxing instructor I get beat up too. She is like a head shorter than me, thin and weigh 10 kg less(I weigh 62 kg) but I still get my ass handed to me for the same reason as you Mike. She is more skilled and takes the initiative. But I don't feel bad, it's super fun and I am learning.
Love your videos!
Having done the MUC stuff myself, it really is deceptively diffficult to simultaneously intelligently communicate and also key off of physical cues and maintain distance. So I really empathize with you there.
Also it’s so fucking hard to manage the ramp up. Go too hard too fast and you’re suddenly the bad guy who escalated shit. Go too slow and you’re taken advantage of.
excelente!!!
Being beaten in grappling by someone with more experience and who is smaller is normal. Those who laugh at it probably never did it. I can say that when I started grappling, not knowing much, and rolling with a female NAGA champion who was 90 lbs smaller than me I got smoked and choked. She could beat almost any guy or fight them to a stale mate. It was impressive to be part of.that.
10:02 When on bottom of 5th position guard you want to rock back and forth to help move yourself to fight back.
Lol "5th position" that's cute
I’ve done bjj for over ten years and am now twenty six while teaching adults older than me. I’ve also used 5th pos. when mugged.
“I always think about front kicking people” 😂
Most epic gun fight in a car was in the movie "Matrix Reloaded". It was awesome.
Great info. Badass training
I love how she kept asking about the wallet while they were fighting and stuff.
Seems one legit critique in that 2 on 1 scenario would be the leap from empty handed striking to gun brandishing. Wouldn’t OC spray presentation, & even deployment have been more prudent than pointing a gun at already agitated people? Albeit OS spray not as likely to be effective in ending the aggression in the event the drunk or the drunk’s friend truly intended to indict serious bodily injury.
That draw from Craig was smooth AF
Looks like a great place to test yourself. And, yes, if you make a big enough mistake anyone can fool you and get in a meaningful shot. If they train, like she obviously does, that shot is more likely to find the opening you weren't expecting to get attacked from.
Always prepare for the most weird shit ever because it can get crazy and almost like a fantasy movie. This type of training is not useful often but possible. 'That's never gonna happen/work' isn't something that I believe in.
you deserve an Oscar for the car performance
Thanks
Wait a minute man. You were a cop? You should of joined our station here in Beverly Hills bro.
Good video
When you were scrolling through the Barbell site, it looks like they haven't uploaded the photos of you modeling yet.
Mike's slowly turning into master roshi
Best video I have ever watched from you at first it was you and Jeff Chan now this is my favorite video, do you know where I can do this kind of Combat training with guns?
Asia is fucking tough! But mike is tough too to take a head slam and keep on truckin gawd damn! I need to get back to the gym
"Stop trying to have the last word."
The most important piece of advice of all. If the other dude has gone from, "I'm gonna beat your fucking ass" to "whatever man, I don't want to talk to you, just go away," you have already achieved SUCCESS in de-escalation. Time to quit while you're ahead.
"just shake my hand bro, so we're cool."
"just a fist bump, everything's good, right?"
"hey just see things from my perspective, buddy"
"lemme just grab you a drink so this is behind us"
If you're saying any of this, it's actually YOU who is the asshole. That's because what you're really communicating is that your desire to have "closure" or whatever is more important than their desire to be left alone.
There should be academies which grant black belts in Fucking Off
I thought the front kick was coming 😂😂
You might have an Aspie-like, highly logical, and compassionate mentality; it would explain your propensity to explain yourself and seek genuine mutual understanding.
People like to prey on those individuals.
Your response to the _apparent_ “good Sam” was more than appropriate. A defensive display of your firearm would have been tactically, morally, and legally sound, as a prudent person would have apprehended a robbery _of you,_ an assault and battery in the furtherance of a felony (therefore, a forcible felony). You were also employing preclusion. Again, it might have been to late to draw your firearm had he gotten in to close, been more proficient, knocked you unconscious, or rapidly stabbed you w/ Douglas’ level of speed and skill.
Well done.
That was an interesting scenario with the drunk. I would have engaged too much for sure.
I like that slick car draw!