270 vs 308 - The Best Round For Hunting Big Game - Season 2: Episode 86
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- Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In this podcast, I answer listener questions on excessive twist rates, bone broth, the 270 vs. the 308, and more.
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Who is Ron Spomer
For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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Hello from England, I really like your channel. I'm 77, been shooting for 67 of those years, but we are never too old to learn. Thank you.
Thank you Ron. I'm not real informed as far as ballistics or any of that. But here's the experience that I do have. I'm from Missouri. My Dad was a Vietnam Veteran and taught me how to be a proficient small game hunter by the age of 8. By the time I was 12. I was allowed to hunt solo and had harvested my 1st Whitetail with a recurve bow. I was keeping 3 households supplied with small game. At which time I was given a Marlin 336CS chambered in 30/30 Win. To make my efforts of supply and demand easier. From then on that's basically all I ever hunted every hour I could. That's basically the only rifle I've ever needed and used. I've taken literally hundreds of deer with it. Everyone I've ever taught to hunt has harvested their 1st deer with it. The only ammunition I've ever found to be consistent with accuracy and expansion in it is Remington Corelokt. On multiple occasions I have harvested 2 animals with the same shot whenever the opportunity presented itself. Surprisingly more often than desired or even where I could take advantage of the situation. Your statement about the deer fat definitely rings true as your words always do in my eyes. Here's why. And I suggest you try it for yourself. Take a big chunk of deer fat and try to cook it. You will find that unlike any other fat that I know of. Does not render into an oil. It will just burn. That's why I always butchered my own deer to remove every trace of fat. Not only that but I am very, very picky about shot placement so as not to lose any meat. Broadside. Double lung only. My Father was taught by his Grandfather who had just came through the great depression so I'm sure you can understand what I was taught. Sorry for bending your ear so long. I just like to talk about the old days. Thanks for everything you do. By the way. I did inherit a Remington 700 in 270 Win. That has already had an accutrigger installed to be made safe.
Will you reach me to hunt?
I use the 270 and the .308 regularly for deer. I like the 140 grain Nosler BT for the 270 and the 168 grain Barnes or Nosler AB for the 308. Both are reliable killers.
What kind of Deer? In Australia the biggest deer we hunt is Sambar. Sambar or Indian Elk stags run to 300kg or 700lbs(They are next in size to Wapiti). I load SSTs or Partitions as I think the BT is a bit fragile for large deer
Rem 770 won’t shoot heavy 308 bullets, but the 700 loves em 🤷♂️
Been using 130 soft point bullets in my 270 to take white tail deer for years.
140 Nosler is just hard to beat
My grandfather was a WW2 506 paratrooper and avid hunter and reloader.. when asked he would say no matter what caliber or projectile ya use if ya hit the right spot within range there is no varying degrees of dead.
Making bone (and joint) broth is one of my favorite parts of hunting, after a long and strenous season you take your time and relax while slowly drawing out every possible last bit of flavor from the harvest. If you want to be absolutely sure to remove that waxy off-flavour try boiling the bones for half an hour, dump the water, and then start the broth proper with carrots, onions, celery and i also add pumpkin carving waste since i almost always have it freshly on hand when the Swiss hunting season is done.
Excellent point 🫡🫡
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People around here (MS, USA) are pretty bad about not using the whole animal when it comes to deer. I have seen people just take the back straps out of smaller deer. We do have pretty regular population booms, so I guess that it's not a terrible thing. At least they aren't just shooting them and letting them rot.
It's just broth, saying bone broth is redundant.
Thought this would be America …where you are so short of food that you kill beautiful creatures..just for the chance to kill….what a country….
One thing I do love about the .270 is, when handloaded, you get the best of all worlds. With a 130 loaded down, it becomes a great round for new or young shooters. Loaded to rifle pressures with 140s, it becomes a nice overall rifle. Loaded to near magnum pressures with 150 - 160 grain bullets, it becomes a mini-mag for large game. 3 rifles in one, hard to beat that.
Absolutely
Finally we have a gun writer/ hunter / reloader that isn’t bought off by the rifle / bullet manufacturers. Ron’s knowledge is as good as anyone I know and he’s honest about all of his facts and figures as well as his preferences! Ron this South Dakota farm kid agrees with you pretty much 100%. Keep up the good work and let me know if your ever back home in eastern side of the state I’d love to meet you and hear some of your hunting stories.
Thanks Doug. I hope to continue visiting SD each fall for one hunt or another.
Lucky to have Ron sharing his many years of experience with us ! I am a big fan of the 270 Win.,it’s flat,fast killing on deer sized game at most practical ranges,that being said the 308 has an edge in ammo availability and choice in my neck of the woods and is a good cartridge too with a little bigger hole starting out
I absolutely love listening to Ron talk about the various physics involved with shooting
"Like a spatula with gravy."
Congratulations for your podcast. I am spanish, in my country we can hunt a few Big Game animals, and for me the BEST cartridge for them is the 270. Now i use 270 wsm too and is amazing.
I have a 1954 Husky 270 Winchester, I use 160 Nossler partition for Moose, Elk and bears. It is really great.
Sweet setup
I'm writing this down for future reference.
I'm a 243 guy have 308 and 270 but for deer hunting the 243 is like a lightning shot!
In Australia I used the old silver tips in the 80’s and 90’s in a 308 and absolutely loved them on pigs. Was shattered when I couldn’t get them any more. Now I reload and found the Speer 130 grn hollow points are awesome on pigs and Fallow deer. Use 150 grn ab or Sierra game kings for anything bigger.
I’ve used both .270 and .308 with great success . I love em both as equally ! As far as an all around do it all cartridge for deer , elk , moose and bear .. I think the .35 Whelen hits the sweet spot !
👍🏻 all that like the 35’ have my respect! They give the little extra margin for moose on our driven hunts where shot placement isn’t y perfect. I use a 358win on moose. White tail tail I use a 308 or 6,5x55 both suppressed. Family use 35Whelen and 308 and another use 270win. I/we load for them all. Have a good one!
@@Finnbearl61r I just picked up a Tikka T3X Hunter in 7mm-08 Remington ( I ALMOST went with that 6.5x55 Swede ! ) They’re both great cartridges … I don’t even know why there’s a 6.5CM ! That 6.5x55 has plenty of boiler room to work with if you can handload .
🤠 270 Winchester Has More Range, But The 308 Winchester Is A Fine Cartridge Too! 😁 Just Buy Them Both and Be Happy! 😜
Mr Lowney knows what he is talking about.
🤠 I don't currently own a 308 Winchester, but I will soon! 🤑 Cheap to shoot and Very Versatile! 😁👍
@@ronlowney4700 agreed 👍
That's exactly what I did
🤔 You can't go wrong then! 🥳
Over here in south Australia the 270 rounds have gone up to $85 a box while 308 is only $35 so I traded my 270 in for a 308 . It is not as flat shooting but practice at the range didn't take long to shoot accurately out to 900yrds.
Wow. In mid America I can get 270 for 35$ a box
For many years .308 & 7mm were the standard long range target calibres. Bell shot about 700 elephants with the 7mm, that's good enough. And it seems to constantly out perform the Yank improvement attempt that is the .270.
In NZ when hunters were ground shooting tens of thousands of deer annually, the Forestry Service provided .303, .308. .270 and .222 ammo. Anything else you supplied your own. The .270 was assessed as the best calibre, but most hunters preferred the .308. Subsequently aerial shooting used .308. Some did use '223 and shotguns with buckshot, but both are good wounders. So long range, pro ground hunter choice & aerial hunting stressed up animals
makes .308 hard to go past. With 150 grains, deer aren't rabbits.
.270 seems to have erratic kill results, over & underkill, deflections and messy, seeming to perform best 200-300m if flinching didn't cause missing. You'd flinch shooting beside one of the noisy things.
@@johnmead8437 sounds like a skill issue
@@peterchauvin1486 Not all have such insight, those pros would be advised to learn their error from it.
@@johnmead8437 Bell shot those elephants with a 7mm Mauser using 173 gn bullet at around 2300fps. Modern 140gn 7mm Mauser loads get to about 2700ft/sec. A .270 Win can drive a 140gn bullets at 3100 ft/sec. .270 Win is quite a bit more potent than 7mm Mauser and flatter shooting. You can load about 10% more powder in a .270 case.
I shoot both the 270 win, and the 308 win, and If I could only have one, it would be a tough choice I would have to go with the 270 win.
30 cal.!!!!!!
ESTOY DEACUERDO CO USTED SI TUVIESE QUE ELEGIR UNO SERIA EL 270
@@mr.skeptical3071 no, .27 caliber.
Looks like you never have to worry about picking up a box of 200 trainers then
I’d definitely choose 308 just cause you can find more, also 130grain ttsx bullets can be loaded almost 3200 fps in 308. 270 can’t do that
Both great calibers and I use both. I lean more towards the 270 being its been with since I first started hunting
I'm over the cartridge stuff or worries, I simply use them. I have several 308win and the 270win and both are fine. Both work. The advantage of the 308win is it can be had in many different types of designs and its an far better choice if your using shorter 16" 18" or 20" barrels. If a person likes suppressed rifles the 308win is an phenomenal host as because it works so well in abbreviated barrels. I think there's just too much time and effort and ink spent on this cartridge comparison stuff.
Totally agree, bullet choice is more relevant. My 20" suppressed .308 shoots very well.
Amen to that
It's kinda like the dead horse. No matter how much you beat it, its condition is never going to change. Nor will it matter irrespective of how much you compare it to other dead horses.
Recognize it for what is, and move on. Buy whatever gun you want, handload the bullets that perform best with it, and have at it. If you don't handload start.
I would say they only thing that separates them is action length and the ability to build a lighter rifle if needed. Other than that, flip a coin.
Holy shit...what difference does it really make.. when one is 300 seconds
faster you will not see it or notice it
or the game you shoot ..
won't notice 300 ft per fps..i do love the sportsman on what they use and way...and the different guns and ammo...this alone keeps me on this channel he dose know his shit.
Yes my wife makes bone broth from white tail deer. We add it to our soups, I don’t think it adds too much to the flavor. It does add a lot of nutritional value.
I Own multiples of each of these cartridges in bolt action rifles. The .270 Winchester outperforms the beloved .308 Winchester on deer-sized animals. More powder, lighter bullets equals speed, and the .270 is an O.G. hot rod. (Read the load data from the early days…)
I don’t think the deer is going to know the difference
Well said. The .270 was king when I was growing up.
I agree both are awesome cartridges. However I started with a 270 as a young teenager, I'll be 51 entering my 36th season this year and am still using a 270.
@@tammykennedy4165 yea all the deer I tagged this year couldn't tell. Curiously I used a 270 and 308 primarily - both with a 130 Barnes TTSX, the 270 at 3375fps and the 308 at 3160fps. Multiple deer under 300 yards, all kill zone hits, some dropped, some ran a few yards, some ran nearly 150 yards
In Australia the minimum cartridge to shot Buffalo is a .30cal only.
Hand loaded with a 180gn has a lot of energy and i'v never had a problem with a well place shot.
I think you need a heavy prodgie which the .270 is limited.
Took my first moose with a .270 when I was just a kid. Started witht the .30's when I was about 18 and never looked back, but mostly out of hard-headedness. My Dad was all about the 7mm and boy did he use it effectively!
the 7x57 has the x factor. 139 gr bullets as standard tells the story, with excellent heavier options for larger stuff, with confidence.
When a man becomes a master with his weapon of choice no argument will turn his head.
308 for me. Has never let me down. And it really performs out of a shorter barrel.
And it probably never will
My brother had a very old Ruger light wt hunting rifle with a very thin, 20" chrome-moly barrel chambered in 270. It was an absolute pleasure to carry due to the very light weight. I loaded some Barnes 110 grain TSX bullets over IMR 4350 for him and he used those for a lot of years on deer and pronghorn. Never failed. 308 also a clear excellent choice
The 308 doesn’t really do any better out of a shorter barrel than other standard cartridges. Thats a myth. A 20” 30-06 is still more powerful than a 20” 308.
I look at this way. I can have a 20” 30-06 that has the same ballistics as a 24” 308. I’ve never understood the whole “308 is efficient with shorter barrels” myth nonsense.
I run 308 of a 16 and it's never ever let me down. I have a 1 in 10 twist so I run heavy for caliber. Those 180 grains will take down everything on both American Continents even the Sasquatch and Chupacabra
@@strat1080 J'hésite entre un 300 win mag avec des balles très légère pour limiter le recul.
Et un calibre plus petit mais rapide comme le 270 wsm, .270 win, 6.5 rcp ou le 6.5 creedmor.
Ou peut être attendre le 6.8 fury, nouveau calibre de l'us army.
Le 6.5 rcp me plaît, mais en france les armes dans ce calibre sont rares.
Do a lot of hunting, mostly thermal hog hunting. I’ve really taken to the 308 in todays ammunition market. It’s still plentiful, probably the most cost effective, and has plenty of power and accuracy to effectively anchor even the largest of boars. It’s great for whitetail as well.
I like both I love the 308 for the woods and out around 250 yards and I love the 270 for long range 200 to 400 yards
I own a .243, .25-06, .270, 7mm rem. Magnum, .308, and .30-06. ALL OF THEM WILL TAKE DEER AS LONG AS GREAT BULLETS ARE USED AND THOSE GREAT BULLETS ARE PLACED IN THE PROPER VITAL AREA OF THE DEER. None are better than the other and all 6 are my favorites.
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@@DinoNucci 🤷♂️
OKAY CAPTAIN OBVIOUS, WE ALL GOT THAT! THANK YOU!!!
CAN WE ALL JUST STOP SHOUTING!!!!!!
I own, hunt with, and love both the 270 and 308. Honestly I use them both for the same job interchangeably. Anything from varmints to elk depending on bullet choice but mostly mid size game with 130gr spbt and 165gr spbt respectively. Yep still an old school cup and core bullet guy. They’ve worked on everything for a long long time
I bought a .308 last march. I still hunted with my .270 this year. I had a buddy load me up some 110’s for the .308 and it is going to be my varmint rifle for the season. I like the price and availability on .308. That is why I bought one. I love to shoot and I don’t reload so I was up in arms trying to get .270 ammo. Glad I bought the .308 but man, I know when the season starts and I shoot a deer with my .270 it is in the freezer. That is hard to switch. I have heard of and watched guys shooting deer with a 130 grain .308 with .270 like performances. I am torn. I might give the .308 a chance for the meat instead of the coyote’s. Thanks Ron for all the good stuff as always.
They are all good.
A fellow just has to respect his emotions and go with what brings him the most satisfaction.
That is hard to do when you love them all.
Hard to go wrong with either of 'em. The 150 grain .308 has the edge for versatility but the 270 is better for longer shots. There are so many different 30 cal. bullets (and factory loads), while the 270 is really at its best in the 130 grn load.
130 gr nosler accubonds are awesome for the 270
@@cheifbrownrabbit3986speaking of Nosler... They are made where I live and they recently sponsored a high school sports field and put their name on the field local hippies are trying to get the sponsor's name removed
270 in 140 grain is best.
The best bullet weight for .270 is dependent on what you are shooting at and how far it is.
270 is marginally better for longer shots. 145 grain eldx bc of .536 sectional density .270. 308 178 eldx bc .535 sectional density .268. The 270 has a slightly higher velocity so it will be a little flatter but not by much. With the new 30 cal bullets on the market, it helps bridge the gap of 308 to better performing cartridges
They are both good. Point, aim, shoot. Pick up you game
270 Win vs 308 Win @ the 15:30 mark.
Both cals. perform abselutely adequate, 270 a bit more reach for open areas, if that's your thing.
I would like to react to the bone broth question.
In South Africa most species are lean without huge amounts of fat, but it's true that the wild aroma is situated in the fat, not the bones or marrow. Bone broth is an amazingly rich and nutrient dense superfood. Has a lot of minerals, protein, collagen. Use half a cup of vineger and half Worcestershire sause with spices, fill the pot with water and slow-cook overnight until everything falls from the bones.
You will never let a deer's bones go to waste again... Use it. Kind of ethical too.
Save it for a rainy day in the freezer, it make the perfect stock for soups and stews.
Thanks again for the poscasts ron
Hey Ron, In regards to the 270win vs 308 win, load up some 180 grain woodleigh bullets and you will not be disappointed. It has as sectional density higher than a 220 grain thirty caliber, its a bonded bullet, and it will stabilize in the standard 1-10" twist.
I know this old man and all he shoot out of his .270 is 180 grain bullets
G'day, I chose a .270 years ago for it's slight range advantage. The 30 cal has advantages with wider projectile selection. I think in most conditions the target won't care what is used.
The 270 does a lot with a small selection of bullets. Kind of like the framing nail in carpentry.
Great content. Thanks Ron
I have been using my rugar m77 in 308 the last several years. It’s deadly accurate and I hardly use anything else. I have harvested ten deer and four hogs with it the last four years. The round count on these harvest is 15 rounds
Good shooting, Trapper. Congrats.
M77 is really a good one 😉
Got one in 308 too and it’s a deer thumper
Flip a coin! Probably choose a .308 due to ammo availability, brass, reloading components, and bullet variety. Still hard not to choose a .270.
Yup! That's why I ditched my 270wsm this year, haven't found ammo in stores or reasonably priced online.
@@sapperROSS Reloading certainly cuts costs. 30-378 costs $5 or so apiece but can be done for $2 apiece. Older primer & powder prices.
I started making "bone broth" from my venison bones this year. I used the method Adam Ragusea outlines in in his demi glas video. Oven roast, boil, strain, reduce then freeze into ice cubes. They are flavor bombs that steps up almost any savory food
I’d take either one of these calibers in the woods for big game and have full confidence in the tool. Brown bear I might want a little more power, but been plenty taken with both these calibers tru the years. Thanks Ron. 💪🏽🎥💯👍
Great Ivory Hunter Karamojo Bell used a .275 as his main Elephant Gun,,,,,,,,and he lived to tell about it. Shot placement
In reality the weapon is never to blame it is usually the loose nut behind the trigger if the job is botched.
Nailed it
Regarding the question about deer bone broth at 8:00 - I've made bone broth from the European Roe Deer and it tastet just fine. I also made a version of it with an asian "twang", meaning I added some ginger and cilantro, which made it perfect for my Thai meals.
308 for the win!
Planned demic taught a lesson for those who had certain caliber's.
I seen freaking 308 everywhere even gas station's had it🤦
270win all day
308win all night
Men that are undergunned in certain departments, often prefer to do their dirty work at night, lest someone see their puney tool and laugh their butt off
If you hunt in grizzly country you’re smart to take a 30 cal with a 180. 270 is great but I’d much rather a bigger bullet.
I love my 270win but my dad shoots a 270 short mag and it's pretty impressive
@@cheifbrownrabbit3986ballistics are nearly identical favoring the 270 wsm. The animal won't know the difference
EXAMPLE: A 1:8 twist will spin the bullet one revolution in 8 inches, and a 1:10 twist will spin a bullet one revolution in 10 inches. If you were shooting a bullet in both barrels at a velocity of 2800 feet per second, the 1:8 twist barrel (252,000 RPM) will spin a bullet much faster than a 1:10 twist barrel (201,600 RPM). So yes, a jacketed bullet can come apart due to centrifugal force and therefor bullet construction becomes critical.
As to bone broth, my wife places the chicken carcass in the crock pot with leftover vegetable bits, or onion and garlic papery layers, or the lemon or orange peals, whatever flavorings… AND A SPLASH of Apple Cider Vinegar which helps to dissolve the outer layer of the bones.
She clips down the crock pot lid and turns to High for about 18 hours. (Or the “broth” setting on the instant pot, and lets that go overnight also).
Interested in White Tale Broth now!!! 😃
I used to have both a 270 and a 308. I have a lot more time and number of rounds out of the 308. Also, the 270 I had, just was not as comfortable as my 308. Comfortability and time can make a big difference in accuracy. I think I will stay with the 308.
I like so many enthusiasts that follow Ron I had over a dozen high-powered caliber/cartridges over the decades. And one of the discussions that comes up is that of felt recoil. I learned to distinguish between punch recoil and push recoil and to think of each cartridge as being made up of a combination of the two. I wasn't all that sensitive about it when I was younger but I became more so as I got older until a few years ago I re-examined the recoil on three stalwarts: .270, .308, and 30-06. So I compared all three one entire afternoon with my focus on felt recoil. I'm more sensitive to the punch of a magnum, less so to the push of a straight walled cartridge. For instance I don't care to shoot another 8 mm Remington Magnum, but didn't have any problem with my 375 H&H. My conclusion was that the 270 had the most punch. The 30-06 had about equal punch and push. And the .308 had the mildest punch and a milder push. Living in Virginia where the shots aren't as long as they are out west I settled on the .308.
Good job for figuring out which recoil matters to you. The stock lines and materials may have contributed, too. The physics (recoil energy, recoil velocity, and recoil impulse) probably don't match your conclusions, but so what? What you feel is what matters! Cheers.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Mine was not a scientific test, but what are you saying? That I'm a marshmallow? Facts don't matter to me, just my feelings? 😅😂🤣 Ron, priceless comeback! Thanks for the encouragement, I'll become better versed on the technical lingo: energy, velocity, and impulse. But I must say, a response from the great, though humble, Ron Spomer himself energized me to respond in kind at great speed impulsively! And yes, a .270 has more punch than a .308 according to my shoulder! "A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still!" 🙄 Keep up the great work Ron! 🤠
Very little to choose between them as both are very good cartridges. However, the 270 was designed to fill a gap the 308 struggled in. Longer range plains game. The extra case capacity driving a slightly lighter, higher BC bullet, gave it a flatter trajectory and longer legs. if you really need the extra range take the 270. If you want a little more punch at shorter ranges (
270 bullets don't even have that high of bc bullets compared to what you can get with 308. The best bc bullet in 270 I've found is the eldx with a bc of .536, the 178 grain 308 eldx has a bc of .535, there are 30 cal bullets with higher bc, but not much more for 270. So 270 is kinda irrelevant nowadays
Yes you are right, but that heavier bullet with less powder capacity drops really fast and far.
Ron, one thing I never see anyone talk about is what the different types of riffling in the barrel. I do lots of handloading so you know you can change thing a lot there. I geek out alot about internal ballistics. I build 2 identical rifles, 18" AR in 223W, used all the same components the one difference was the rifling. 5R vs 6 groove. barrels where made by the same manufacture, same gas, profile, chamber, both 416R SS. The rifles were twins except for the 5R. I used the same lot of factory ammo, 15rds each. the 5R shot, on avg. 93 fps faster than the 6 groove. That's like adding 2" to the barrel by my thinking. I've done this a lot knowing i'm getting faster fps with 5R or 4 groove, but never had the opportunity to basically duplicate/test the rifles to this extremes. My 4 groove 308 pushes 30-06, 6 groove velocities. The performance gains seem to be across the board, bullet weights and types all do the same. I doubt it makes little difference in very high velocity caliber but it works for 300blk and the slower rounds like these as well. It's something I take account for in handloading. I'm slowing changing all of my barrels to 5R as I get a few extra $$$ to do so. I can use shorter barrel while keeping the same punch as longer, or have faster shooting guns the same size. Plus, always better grouping. No real questions but I'd like your thoughts on doing this or maybe give you something to talk about.
Ever heard of MRR(Multi Radial Rifling) that the Italian company Sabatti uses in their models that aren't Rover's? Apparently their test rifle, the 270WSM barrel had 50k rounds through it with no real change in accuracy. I'm considering investigating, and purchasing one of their rifles to see if their claims of increased velocity are accurate
I PERSONALY LIKE THE BIG BULLETS FOR TREE BRANCHES, PUNCH THROW, EAST COAST HEAVY WOODS
.308 vs .270 is a tough one that I can't choose between.
.270, its much much flatter than the .308. The .308 will shoot heavier bullets, but it has the trajectory of a dog turd
@Whitey Fisk i smell bias not dog turds. 👃😕
@Shark_Theory For real. I laugh at people and their flat shooting rifle arguments. I bet 95% of those people haven't ever shot past 500 yards. Admittedly, I am one of those people. At that distance, bullet trajectory isn't gonna be a big deal. Any scope can be zeroed at those distances.
@@Shark_Theory i smell bias and someone who cant read. Learn to read and look at a ballistics chart sometime. Its obvious to any idiot...except you i guess. Not saying the .308 is a bad caliber, but the trajectory is less flat compared to a 270
@@Dale37 mpbr for a 270 is much greater than for a .308. The fact that you dont understand the importance of a flat shooting rifle tells me everything i need to know about you.
270, hands down. Either will take game up close but if you have to reach out a bit, 270 will out perform it, all day. If you want .30cal out far go to 06 or winmag
Both are outstanding, don't worry about it.
The 338 and 270 are my favorite calibers.i have a 340 weatherby magnum and a 270 weathery magnum and I love them both equally
I love how you can get a compact rifle In 308... might not have the best ballistics...but great to Carry in the woods
I have not seriously shot a .308, however I’m sure it has sufficient capability to pursue large game and successfully do its job.
I do have a Christiansen Arms Traverse chambered in .270 Win. I shoot Federal Custom shop 145 grain ELD-X rounds. I have not toyed with different bullets because I’ve been highly accurate and satisfied with the results. I have taken Roosevelt Elk, and several deer and it’s done it job very well on them. I’ve been a bow hunter for 30 years, however due to injury of my arms I cannot use a bow. I have yet to shoot my rifle at game farther than 125 yards because I still love the thrill of the stalk.
Roast those bones at 350°-400° until nice and brown. This renders a lot of the fats out. Then cook, simmer them, with carrots, celery, onions-for 48-72 hours. Leave the cartilage and tendons on the bone. After done, strain well and put in a bowl in the fridge. The fat will rise and solidify for removal. You can freeze or can the broth. One pint jars are a good size for a big mug of broth. It’s 2 cups.
Ron its been my experience with the 270 I need to keep my blood trailing skills sharp but the 308 I always see them drop.
Bullet construction & bullet placement make the difference no matter what caliber you're using...
Bone marrow is absolutely the best for stock, which makes phenomenal broths, stews, and basting for slow cooked meets.
I’ve never made bone broth with whitetail, but next season I’m going to give it a try. I love a good bone broth. Thanks for making me curious. I own a .270, .308, and 7x57. I prefer the old 7 Mauser. I tend to be a 7mm snob. Thanks again.
You’re right about individuality I have a 260 and it seems to be on its way out. The 65 has pretty much killed it and I have a 65 but only because the 260 was getting hard to find ammo for. I still love to hunt with it . I also use the 6.5 . But I really love the performance I get with 260 . Not that the 6.5 is a bad round . Just had the 260 a long time . Took many deer with it .
I have made a lot of bone broth from Mule deer. I have found that if I simply boil the uncut bones without cutting them open makes a wonderful broth. When I have cut them open it makes much more work of the cutting, then skimming of the surface scum, and in the end I found the waxy mouth coating that you mentioned. So now I simply boil them whole and the broth is just right.
I'm definitely a 308 cat ,just always have had really good luck with it ,but nuttin wrong with the 270 it's a great caliber
As I’ve posted before, the .308 could use a little more case capacity & a little longer neck to keep the longer bullets out of the powder space to make it perhaps the most efficient.30 caliber cartridge. What we would have created is the.30-06.😎
I could hear that one coming.
Toast the bones in the broiler then put the toasted bone pieces in a pressure cooker or longer cooking time in a croak pot then cook as long as you have time fore. There is no overcooking bone broth.. Add salt, pepper, garlic and some onion.... ENJOY
I'm a 30 caliber guy.! 👍
You can't go wrong with either the 270 Winchester or the 308 Winchester. Both will drop a deer just fine. Keith Warren even dropped a moose with the 270 Winchester.
243 and similar fine for deer like sub 200 lb types
@keithprinn720 243 win is an awesome caliber. I just bought a ruger American a couple of months ago in 243 and I agree it's great choice for deer or coyotes.
I have sciatic nerve pain. I am looking for a cartridge for deer hunting. I am leaning towards the 6arc in an AR platform. Thinking the lower recoil and lighter weight will help with not causing more pain than necessary. What is your opinion on the 6arc for whitetail and what would the twist rate and barrel length suggestions for say 200yd max shots?
We make broth quite often with blacktail deer and moose with no complaints. Just bring it to a boil and then simmer on low overnight, I like to season with a bit of salt.
On a side note we also do domestic turkey bones for soup after Christmas or Easter. Believe it or not I save salmon bones and simmer them the same way to make stock for salmon chowder during the winter, tastes great!
It probably keeps your own bones in good health too.
I've tried whitetail broth and it's pretty good. Definatly a slightly off flavour but it works really well for stews
I think 308 is the best all around cartridge East of the Mississippi and 270 is the same for the west. Just depends on how open your range is.
Also, 308 favors shorter, lighter rifles and 270 favors “full-size” rifles (22” barrel, standard action).
Large marrow bearing bones are the best, like femur etc. Avoid anything that contacts the spinal fluid, especially if you live in a chronic wasting area. I make beer braised venison shanks with the forelegs and if you try that, you'll never discard the forelegs again. ;) I just put them in a roaster at 275 for about 6 hours covered in Miller Highlife full bodied beer and when it's done, it's to die for. Little sage and rosemary complete the seasoning with a bit of salt and pepper. On the old Winchester Silver Tip, I took my first doe with one and took a few head shot partridge also. One thing I didn't like was minimal expansion compared to others. When I started reloading, I unloaded all my .32 special silver tips and put in Hornady Interlocks. Seemed to perform much better.
I have been making bone broth from whitetail and mule deer for the last few years. I mostly use it for cooking. I do try to get most of the obvious fat off before cooking. The basic recipe is to drizzle olive oil on the bones, sprinkle salt and pepper, and roast in the oven at 375 for about 45 minutes. Then add vegetables and roast another 45 minutes. Then add all that to a large stock pot, cover with water, add a shot of apple cider vinegar and a couple bay leaves, and simmer for at least 24 hours. Then strain with a cheesecloth. I pressure can the broth. There are several good videos on TH-cam.
Instead of boiling the broth, try pressure cooker for 3 hr.
They are both amazing, and Ive taken a bunch of deer with .308/165s and .270/140s. For Eastern hunters, it makes no difference. Out west, .270 is better. Comparing the best at thech can do, yes, the .270 will put more energy down range, and with a better SD bullet. And if they start making better longer 6.8m bullets...it won't be a debate anymore. But I still love my .308!
Thank you for the stream
I like that "Twist and Shout"!💓😂😂😂👏👏👏👍
In Elk camp my grandpa would toss their femur right into the campfire for about 15 minutes to soften the marrow. Crack the bones over a sharp rock dig out the soft marrow and spread it over fresh baked bread.. Heaven
On the doe hunting I fully concur. Actually, the meat is a bit better (more tender). In Illinois, one can generally get one buck tag and one to three antlerless tags (so you don't get in trouble shooting a button buck). The farmers I have hunted with think that you should have to check in a doe before being able to check in a buck. Their big concern is overpopulation.
Another great pod cast @Ronspomer ! Sorry I missed the show! Deer Bone broth ?🤔 when I was a young man, the native Indians taught me how to skin and tan a hide, as well as the proper way to gut the animal.
I’m amazed I never heard anything about bone broth, it seems they tried to use every bit of the animal for one purpose or another. There was enough brain in each animal to tan It’s on hide. I’m interested in hearing more myself. 🤠😎
I learned the brain matter deal a couple years ago from a friend of mines son, who was legit into living like the old days. He’s got a small doe before his first daughters birth and tanned the hide to make her a blanket for when she was born. Was amazing to watch.
@@chriscomeaux70 even a texted description or the tanning process would assist understanding. My First Elk hide turned into hairless Rawhide. Still useful but Not the 3/4" skin I was looking for
We raise goats for milk and meat and the wife saves all the bones in the freezer. She often makes bone in stews simmered all day at lower temps. Doing so on the wood stove makes it even better. Gas is better than electric and wood is better than gas. She also makes broth which she uses on rice and other things or as a base for soups and stews. Delicious and feels "healthy" inside (My advanced medical opinion). Venison too. A lot of what we don't use goes to the chickens (hearts and any fat we salvage from the trimming process) so not much gets wasted. Love the channel. Cheers from Canada.
No questions! 270❤
A win - win with these.
I made bone broth from a Virginia Whitetail that my brother killed this year. We use it in cooking more than drinking it. But we love using it in this way. I do drink beef bone broth when I get sick and it's very helpful. Will try venison next time.
I built a 7.62x40 WT, the forerunner to the Hamm'r and love it. I used a 20" unthreaded barrel and have taken many deer and hog's with 125 Nosler BT's at over 2500fps, DRT. If I need more than that I have a Ruger M77 in 270 Winchester, both shoot little bug holes and have never let me down. Want an ideal deer cartridge for 250+ yards, don't turn your nose up at the 338 Federal.
Such a fantastwist! answer on the twist rate question. It covered the important parameters and considerations so clearly and cohesively. I learned a lot. Really appreciate your work. 🙏
Thanks Karl. Glad my information was useful for you.
No offense but none of the info was new.
@@commonsense7787 Common, as I often remind viewers, what you and I know is not necessarily what everyone else knows. There are new shooters coming into the game every day. We can't treat them as if they were born with a ballistic computer in their heads. I've learned it's best to offer what we know. Those who need the info will appreciate it. Those who already know can skip over or move on, no harm no foul. Cheers.
I have made bone broth with my first California black tail deer last year. Delicious! Roast the split bones in the oven before boiling
Ron, I really enjoy your videos very knowledgeable.
Thanks James.
I made bone broth from a whitetail I harvested this year. It was excellent. You can also toss in a lot of what you trim off (silver skin mostly) and cuts you’d grind and that turns into pot roast. The marrow fat doesn’t have the waxy texture of externally deposited fat. I don’t think kidney fat does either, but I haven’t tried that yet. You’re supposed to skim the fat off the broth when you’re done, but when you season a cup fresh off the pot, you don’t want to take any of that flavor out.
Would love to see a video of this being done.
270 all day just because it was the first gun I ever bought model 70 fully floated and bedded re weighted plus trigger done. Light weight stainless. Great walking deer and hog gun. 115grn projectiles swarvozki scope.
I'd take the 270 for the simple fact it's flatter shooting. 150's at 2900 is pretty tough medicine.
Go to a 27 nosler then
Ron
I listen to you on TH-cam and your podcast and enjoy your content very much. I’m new to all of this as far as twist rate but listening to a Hornady podcast here is some good information. Twist rate needs to stay below 300,000 RPM. This is where bullets can start coming apart. The formula for figuring RPM is Velocity x 720 divided by twist rate. So let’s say your 308 Win is at 2800 fps x 720 = 2,016,000 divided 10/ twist rate = 201,600. So that being said the larger grain bullet is going to be a slower velocity so you could increase the twist rate until you start getting closer to the 300,000.
Momentum. Thank you for pointing to the momentum element of terminal performance. I think it is easy for many of us hunters to conflate kinetic energy with momentum.
One more - I had a Winchester Ballistic Silvertip that pancaked on an onside high shoulder shot. I was using a 30-06 150gr and the Antelope was just 70 yards away. It was a shot placement that I have had 100% DRT terminal performance when I was using my 444 Marlin. I was expecting similar results with my 30-06 and these 150gr Ballistic Silvertips. I was using shooting sticks and stable as a rock when I squeezed the trigger, but questioned that I somehow missed. I stayed on that antelope and dropped it about 30 minutes later. When I was processing the Antelope, I discovered the jacket from first shot flattened against the scapula, plus there was no noticible tissue damage from the core and whatever happened to it. To keep this from turning into a book. Let me finish by saying - what I once called a bullet failure, I now call it shooter failure by choosing the wrong shot placement for the bullet used. This is one of the reasons why I terminally test the bullets I hunt with.
This is unfair. They are both awesome cartridges. I guess it would depend on what you hunt and where. I really can't choose at all. Love them both.
Either of these rounds is perfectly suitable for hunting anything REASONABLY within their respective energy ranges- which are close enough that any detailed analysis is superfluous.
I’ve always been a 243 6 mm guy for small deer. But with the copper mandate, I’ve noticed the bullets just don’t hit the same, far more two shot kills. Even though the 270 ballistically is very nice I went with a 308 due to short action, availability and really just the larger diameter.
Good choice. I went from 308win to 358win for moose for the same reason.
Out of curiosity I got a 270win for my younger son for Whitetail and the older got him self a 35 Whelen for Moose. Neither are common here in the Nordic especially both 35s. But we figured you can never have to many different rifles and calibers.. 😉
@@Finnbearl61r Quels sont les calibres courants dans les pays nordiques ?
Tu parles des scandinaves ?
@@fallahalia9740 I would say the most common for bigger game like Moose are 308win, 30-06, 6,5x55 SE and 9.3x62. Occasionally you can se 8.2x57 IS, 9,3x57, 338 WinMag or 300 Win Mag. In Finland you still see some 7.62x53R ( Finnish version of the 7.62x54R) Nowadays some use 6.5 Creedmore (fine fore Deere, not ideal for Moose..)
@@Finnbearl61r Do you mostly shoot stationary animals?
In France it is mainly driven hunting (80%).
I don't really like this kind of hunting.
I hesitate between the 6.5 CR, the 6.5 rpc, the 270w, the 270wsm, and the 300 WM, or 300 rpc.
the 6.5 CR is good, the rifles are precise and comfortable. The problem: lacks a bit of speed and power. the 6.5 rcp, faster and more powerful but hard to find.
270w, and 270wsm, very good, but old calibers, no heavy bullets for long range. 100% hunting rifle, which are not comfortable.
300 WM, very strong recoil. But with light bullets, the recoil would be quite low.
Possibility to put heavy bullets to shoot far.
Comfortable and adjustable rifles available.
I can't choose it's hell.
In France there are many bushes, so the shot must instantly stun the animal so as not to lose it.
The 300WM warps the brass in the sockets, so I'm not sure what to choose.
@@fallahalia9740 Out Moose hunts are driven hunts. The Deere hunting is both driven hunts and hunting from blinds in dusk. For our driven hunts to shorten the distance the game travels after its shot I tend to favor bullet diameter and mass over speed. 308 or 30-06 up and 35 cal is better but only for handloaders. 8.2x57is I would consider a very good compromise between bullet diameter and enough speed for fast driven hunts. You might want to cansider that if EU banns lead bullets this will inmplact the performance of calibers. The expanding copper bullets expand to smaller diameter than lead typically do. This means a bigger diameter bullet tend to kill faster. This is the reason for 35 cal instead of 30 cal. for our moose hunt.
As a hand loader I prefer so called standard calibers with a capacity of 40-60gr (2,6-3,8g) of powder e.I 308 or 30-06 size cartridges. The magnums are not of interest for me since the performance gain is to small for the amount of propellant burnt and the recoil it generates. For driven hunts and fast shots I would favor comfort of the gun and moderate recoils + big enoug bullet diameter.
Used both both do great
The marrow is highly nutritious. I've only ever tried bone broth with store bought beef bones though.
Pick the one you can hit with. Shooting responsibly, at distances we can be sure to make a humane kill is far more important than any imagined advantage one cartridge has over the other. Most people cant shoot well enough to be taking shots beyond the effective range of either one.
Learned to deer hunt on 12ga slugs. Then moved to 30-06. Last season had success with 270 Win. Just bought 243 Win. The smaller the caliber, the more I like it.
I've taken a few mule deer with my .243 no problem. I do want something bigger for larger game though.