I am the 3rd and longest owner of a 2012 ST. I grew up on trail bikes (1960-70's), then graduated to large street touring bikes. Then after a bad wreck, dropped down to 500cc bikes. Then I bought this because I wanted to explore the western US, as I did when younger. In my first mile of sandy road I dropped this bike, twice. I've gotten pretty good at picking it up. When I am cruising with my friend and his GS1200 at 70mph, I am running around 3600 rpm and he 4000rpm, so I am getting better fuel usage. I've noticed that traveling out west that I get even or better fuel mileage at 80 than 70. Not sure why this is, but happy it does. The bike has much more power than I need. I have ridden crotch rockets at 150 mph on highways and I don't need that temptation at 68. I have had to escape from cagers and they get tired of trying to follow me at 100mph. I don't ride the bike in Sport mode for instance, because I don't need it when touring. Perhaps if I were loaded up on unstable ground, I would use sport mode. I have thought about getting the extra 20 hp on a re-map, but haven't really felt the need. I agree that there needs to be a mid-mode, and should not hide that extra horsepower. I changed out the stock handlebars for a pro-taper adventure so standing is more comfortable and pivot pegs for a safer platform. The stock pegs broke off eventually; I wasn't as impressed with them as you. I don't like the stock bags as they can dismount towards the spokes on a hard side impact and are a pain to remove when this occurs. And they are heavy and break the keys. Leaning towards Lone Rider Soft luggage, and no large top box. I don't have the luxury of electronic suspension. Something else to go wrong, in my opinion. Right now I'm facing rebuilding my ABS, or perhaps deep cleaning it. I had to change out the automatic cam change tensioner and the ignition switch. These problems have been ironed out in later models.This is the first bike I've ever owned with ABS and Traction control. I love it. This bike stops really great! I like that it doesn't have a damned beak. I'd like to see a bit more clearance between the front tire and the fender. I disagree with you on the momentary fuel usage because I can monitor my fuel usage as I go. Remember that fuel pump holds about a gallon of fuel. I have never run the bike out of gas even though I've had the warning light for an hour. You have about 2 gallons after the light comes on. Near the end you mentioned the start up procedure. Like a computer, you can't use it immediately. You must let it boot up and run through its processes. Same with the Ten, you must let it run through the boot up process, then it will start immediately. No doubt, the newer bikes are better. My Royal Enfield Bullet 500 gets 75mpg. But it doesn't over 600 pounds fully loaded or go 80mph all day. I will keep this bike. Cheers!
Thanks so much for that. I love hearing from owners. I wasn't aware the fuel pump occupies a gallon of fuel. I wouldn't mind the former version without all the button either to be very honest. Such a fantastic bike, not sure why we don't see them more often. Thanks for watching. I'll be releasing a review of a 1939 Harley knucklehead this weekend so hopefully you tune in. Best. Nik
my ABS failed too , started to get air in to rear caliper . After million attempts to clean and bleed ABS I just swapped brake hoses around . Hose from rear brake goes strait to the pedal and hose from ABS goes in circle for rear brake. Now front still has ABS and back do not , love it .
The second generation corrected many of your issues. Specifically 2018 and never have several improvements. Annual non visual improvements were made by Yamaha. See forums for annual changes. The soft aluminum key issue is corrected by getting a few duplicated keys made which use harder metals and do not bend. For onroad use the Yamaha luggage is fine, just keep lubricating the locks and mounts, also learn the correct procedure for opening/closing and mounting/dismounting. For off-road use soft luggage is better. Electronic suspension is very useful and dependable in my experience. To be able to change settings dramatically on the fly while riding is a huge benefit. Different settings needed for interstate, curvy roads, dirt roads, extra person, luggage, etc. Even better would be dynamic suspension. People need to consider that this is an XT Yamaha dual purpose bike, so it will be a compromise design for on and off road. It can be adapted either dirrection with seat, tire, suspension, and accessory changes. It is not a pure cruiser, sport tourer or a dirt bike. The carry capacity of this bike is incredible due to heavy duty big steel frame and engineering. See Fortnine review. Overall this bike is best for people who want a dual purpose bike design, want relability, durability, easy of maintenance, high carry capacity, and can tolerate the weight and engineering compromises. If you look back at your bike after a long ride and smile, it is the right one for you.
Please assist me with how you dealt with the shakey front section with the dash board, lights and wind protection. I have a feeling something is loose on my bike to cause it to shake as much
Good info. I have a 2015 ST. Bought brand new. I have never loaded it down heavily, I like packing lite. I can get between 48-51 mpg. This bike has been one of the best bikes I have ever owned. I keep wanting to sell and get something lighter then I take it for a ride and think I am crazy to sell. I agree for hwy touring this bike is perfect. I have done 600 mile days no problem on this bike. I am fortunate enough to have several bikes. I do have a lighter D/S bike for more off road rides. This bike is a very good value, and only a handful of people know that. Reliability is the key factor for this bike.
Thanks for sharing. I agree that this is a bike thats surprisingly under the radar - so much to offer to the adv and touring community. I appreciate you watching and chming in. Happy new Year.
The Super Tenere responds very well to tuning. A full Arrow exhaust and ecu flash make it really wake up. Power Commander w/Autotune gets those AFRs down to the 13.6 area where the Superten runs cooler and powerful. As far as your numb hand: The stock bars are awful. I put a pair of Fasstflex 15 degree bars on 2” risers, no more hand, wrist or shoulder pain, ever. If you’re venturing into dirt, get the stickiest aggressive tire you can stand. I really like Anakee Wilds. On gravel/muddy roads, they work great! Ride in traction control 2 setting, let the rear drive the front. The seat leveling mod, look it up, works wonderfully. Just do it! A lightly used Superten is the best bargain in the motorcycle world.
Thank you very much for taking the time to watch the video and participate in a conversation. Current and future owners will appreciate you sharing those words of wisdom when it comes to use the mods. Safe travels and happy New Year
thanks, I will have to look in Fasstflex , as for tuning :)) Tenere really moving after it . Many reviewers I see, who no not own bike or have him chiped , newer try wide open in second :)))
@@mikescott9213 2Wheeldynoworks in the Seattle area are very good with this bike. They can really refine the fuel delivery and eliminate the 1-3rd gear smoothness. They do several other things to the map and you DO, depending on exhaust, deliver a power increase. Mostly, though, it makes the power less glitchy and more refined if that makes sense. Cost is about $275 and you can just send them the ECU and they will have it back to you within a week. GL
Great review. I bought a brand new 2017 and now have a little over 41,000 trouble free miles on it. General maintenance, tires and go. It's never left me stranded and never failed to start. It's an undervalued motorcycle. It does everything it should. Could it lose some weight? Could it have more horsepower? Could it have more electronics? Sure. That all comes with a price. It's a solid motorcycle that didn't get much love after 10+ years. Mother Yamaha let this bike to the wayside and moved on to other things. Shame really. However, mine is paid for, does everything I need it to do without any fuss and will likely be in my stable for years to come. I do want to see 100,000 on the odometer before I start considering other motorcycles. Have a Happy New Year and thank you for your incredible and informative TH-cam Channel.
I appreciate you taking the time to watch and share your owner experience. It makes.me appreciate this bike even more. Happy new year and thanks for the support
agree - what i learned is that our beloved XT1200 didn't fulfill the EU standards on machine environment regulations and therefor had to stop. of course the salesfigures played a role no doubt, to leave it
o yes, before i forget, i have almost 60.000 km on the clock, bought it new in 2018. once one issue with the cruise control but that was a factory thing, they solved it. love that machine!
Thanks for the most excellent review. From your review and all the comments below, I'm sold after spotting one at the dealership today; I wasn't even aware of them. It appears to really be a diamond in the rough. I plan on keeping it for years and years. I like the fact that not many people are riding them actually! Makes them more unique.
It looks like this is the best review on Super Tenere! I got acquainted with a huge mass of video reports on the same topic, but I have never met such wonderful ones. Bravo! Russia, Moscow.
Привет. Great praise. Glad you liked it Thanks for watching. Stay tuned for a review of a very special 1939 Harley Davidson Knucklehead. Cheers. And if you are ever in California, you can book a private guided tour of these gorgeous mountains with me. Здравствуйте. Nik
Thanks for your video. I have the r1200gs, xt1200z, and vstrom1050xt. The r1200gs is heavy but has a low center of gravity, making it the most off-road capable of the three, the xt1200z is the heaviest but makes a stable, fast tourer, and the vstrom1050xt is on-road oriented but is light and fast like a naked bike. All three are fun to ride on trails. They all have their own unique characteristics as well as commonalities, making them fun to ride.
Interesting garage you have there. Seems like all roughly in the same class but it's interesting that the minor differences between them are sufficient for you to keep all three. The low center of gravity on the gs is impressive. I'll be looking to get one albeit I havent been a fan of bmw ownership experience. Too demanding.
I have had this bike for 12k miles , great touring bike and super reliable. Gear indicator goes out when you pull in the clutch, very annoying when you are at a light.
Thanks for watching. I'm getting very curious about the Aprilia caponord rally. I feel like they are similar. And the Honda vfr1200 is also intriguing but none can be found on the market. Apparently people must really like them.
This is an excellent review. I own a 2016 Super Tenere. You hit all of the key high points and the quirks, like the deceiving gas gauge and the cruise control lag. Anyone who’s interested in a Super Tenere should watch this review before buying one. I love mine!
Thank you so much for taking the time to watch the review and participate in a conversation. It means a great deal to me that a veteran owner such as yourself agrees with some of my conclusions and finds the review valuable and accurate. I appreciate you and stay safe out there. Nik
Ove just done an awesome 3 day ride on my super tenere down rough tracks, river crossings... fully loaded with camping gear... went brilliantly. I feel more confident on my Super T than I did on my Tenere 660. Loving it.
Because some, mostly egocentric people have to bitch in order to feel like they have contributed to the current conversation... I've met more people who have an opinion about the super 10 being overweight or underpowered than people who have actually owned/maintain and ridden one.. I feel that's why they go unappreciated and I'm good with that ! Keeps used prices and parts cheaper. We really are living in a great age for motorcycling and there are various types of owners... Some say little and just get on and ride hundreds of thousands of miles/kms without hassle, then there are others who just have to talk opinion and put 3k year max on their bikes.... some get the enjoyment out of the ride, others just want to sit around and chat... both are acceptable but I'd rather be in the first group. I liked your video. Nice Job. Dan
Thanks so much for taking the time to watch as well as to acknowledgement the effort it took to produce this. I am happy to hear you find your time well invested. Cheers. Nik
Great review. You don't see much on the Super Tenere. People seem to gravitate to the hot, new, flashy stuff. The ST is very underrated and under appreciated gem. I think a big part of that is all the performances that Yamaha left hidden to be found through various mods. I have a 2012 model that I bought in 2018 with 18,000 miles. The previous owner kitted it out pretty thoroughly. The biggest thing i did was put a full Arrow exhaust on and had the ECU flashed. It did a lot to smooth out the throttle and get rid of the jerky engine braking. It really woke the bike up and now the T mode feels close to the previous S mode and S mode is just fun now. People talk a lot about the big HP you get from other bikes but most of that HP is never used or needed by 99% of the riders. I also installed a switch that mimics pulling the fuse from the ABS so it's really easy to turn off when needed. Be sure to keep good maintenance on the brake fluid or it can kill the ABS. Ask me how i know. At about 30,000 miles I needed to replace the rear shock and rebuild the forks. I put an Ohlins shock on the rear and Racetech parts in the forks, it really was a positive gain in performances. I really feel like it will be my forever bike, just due to it's, comfort and versatility. It's not the flashiest, but it's solid and reliable and has everything i need in a ADV bike.
Thank you so much for sharing that detailed review of your own yamaha. I remain a huge fan and would probably consider returning to it in the near future. I have a friend who's in love with this generation 700 so I'd love to show them what the bigger brother is all about next time we hit the trails. Right now I'm enjoying my KTM 790 adventure which feels exceptionally light for its capability but I do miss some of the conveniences the super tannere had.
The resale value is crazy considering how good it is. The triumph 1600 T bird twin is another great bike and bargain in the USA 4k for an immaculate one with less than 20k on the clock. Another fab bike to ride as it's got so much low down pull.
Tengo una 2010 desde nueva actualmente 107000 km y se siente y se ve igual que cuando nueva, muy contento con la moto solo mantenimiento usual cambio de aceite pastillas de freno y llantas, nunca un daño mayor. Es una bestia de moto que lo lleva y lo trae al fin del mundo sin ningún inconvenientes. Una gran inversión por el precio de la moto y hace todo bien. Tiene lo justo en ayudas electrónicas, una gran moto.
Así es, una bestia muy bien hecha y lista para las avanturas. Estoy haciendo un tur privado de los Balkanes, Montenegro principalmente que tiene tanto para oferecer a nuestra comunidad. Te voy informando quando sale este anuncio. Gracias por el apoyo y feliz 2023. Nikola
Finally! I have been trying to find an actual review of the ST. I have been looking at these bikes for 2 years now, and have heard only complaints 🙄. Thank you for the great review.
Nick, I'm glad to have comes across your review this evening. I laid my 2020 Super T down on one of the sharp turns on Highway 1 (just north of Bodega Bay) last week. Messed up the OEM engine guard and bent the gear-shift lever, but no other damage (besides my own cracked ribs). I had just about concluded that I was going to sell this bike -- because, as you point out, it's very heavy at low speeds and straight up tough to maneuver when not running -- and buy something lighter. But your review of the Super T was so positive that I was convinced to hang on to this machine...and work on increasing my skills to ride it better vs. blaming the bike. And to replace my damaged Yamaha engine guard, tonight I bought the T-Rex engine guard that you have. Thank you for being willing to talk about all the great points the Super T provides, when so many other reviews compare it to the GS, which I'm not sure makes sense. Your enthusiasm for this bike is catchy -- and my decision to hang onto this big boy is proof of that! ✌🏼
Vest to hear it. I wish you a quick recovery. Consider perhaps taking training and a guide to improve your riding skills off-road. It's all about practice. I offer that if interested, private lessons and tours and more ís on my website but feel free to reach out. In any case it all depends on what kind of riding you want to do- how intense off-road. It wouldn't be my first choice bit for the tours I lead in Eastern Sierra, socal and utah, it's a great bike.
I had a 2012 for 5 years and almost 30k trouble free miles. Honestly, I never rode it off road on anything more than a hard packed dirt road. I spent 95% of my time on the pavement. It soaked up the miles effortlessly, and like you mention its low center of gravity makes it handle quite well for as tall as it is. I'm considering getting one again!
Cheers! And Ciongrats. The dash and Electronics part will not apply to you but most of the other details will. I hope you enjoy the bike and are getting through the cold. Best. Nik
Your assessment is accurate based on my ownership of a 2016 model for 5 years now. I've been on two wheels since age 12, a long time ago, before bikes were so specialized (and riders so pampered by their bikes). I can go anywhere with this bike except for the most challenging off road spots. For that I take the KLR or the trusty old XR400R made street legal. I have a stable of bikes from a touring 2018 Gold Wing to the off road XR on the other end, guess which one has the most seat time? The ST1200. Every road, be it interstate, 2 lane blue highway, forest service "road" or even a reasonable 2 track is open to me on the ST. This is like the big Beemer ADV bike, undervalued and underappreciated. One does have to have a decent inseam to ride it in a comfortable manner. It will stay in my garage until I can't ride anymore, for the price and the ride I can't beat it.
Half the price of a GS and double the reliability.....I bought mine in 2018, 1 year old with 260 miles on it, for 10.5K. Sold it in 2022 for 16.5K (with 2K aftermarket parts) and now am getting a new one for 15K. Life is good. Best bike ever.
@@pegasusmotorcycletours lack of marketing I guess. People buy what is sold to them as being cool. The S10 is not cool. It's just a tank, indestructible and super capable but she is not fashionable I suppose. Beats me! I'll take it....
Just came back from a local dealer here in the Sunshine state, 2020 w/ 2k miles $11,200 out the door. Minor wear and tear from what looks to be a stationary drop on the right side, although not on fairing but on that plastic extended oem guard and a pin point dent on top of tank. I thought the bike was pretty light actually, I am not flat footing (I'm 5,10.5 " tall' 32 inseam) but it felt easy enough to handle it. Seat is way more comfortable than the new 700, bike is lower too than the 700. I liked the bike, seems like it has all the great things a long adv tourer should have, albeit staying off any higher difficulty level off road terrain. I am still not sure if I should go for it, I have a deposit on a Triumph Explorer XRX which also seems like an amazing touring bike and actually lighter on paper than the twin cyl Super Tenere !!? How is that possible haha but some say the Triumph is top heavy, which the S. Tenere didn't feel like being one...oh well, gotta toss a coin I guess! Appreciate your in-depth review, really helpful!! Ride safe!! Abracao!!
That's a good deal it seems. It's a hard decision to be honest. Would be nice to find both on the local rental market and try them out, see what speaks to you more. Check riders Share or twisted throttle.
Thanks 4 yr in-depth review. Well done. I agree with you about this machine, just fantastic. Very seriously underrated peice of kit i reckon. I lent mine to a friend to ride and i followed him on my fjr1300 2008. I struggled to keep up with him. I asked him when we stopped if he was trying to race me and he said that he was just cruising. That blew me away.
Thanks for sharing. I rarely see one on the road. I'm not sure why this didn't sell better for yamaha. You can pick these up for so much less money than the competition.
Nik you do the most comprehensive reviews on bikes, which are more relevant seeing they are bought with your own money. just wondering how this compares to the other shaft drive ADV bikes not so much BMW but Triumph tiger 1200 & the more modern Moto Guzzi v85TT. Merry Christmas to you & your family.
Thank you for watching and for your support of my work and this channel. My experience with triumphs thus far has been one of satisfaction with the ride and dissatisfaction with the ownership. That is more relevant to newer trials as the older ones from the '90s for example seem to have been built better. I reviewed both the newer sprints as well as the older daytonas. I don't have extended personal experience with either of the two motorcycles you ask about that would permit a valid review, however I've heard exceptionally positive opinions from owners of the Guzzi. And after my ownership of a Guzzi California from Brand new, I would have zero hesitancy in pulling the trigger on its adventure touring Beauty.
Since you aren't thrilled with the factory panniers and have the Givi racks I would recommend their Dolomiti hard cases. They will fit on the racks you have for the e22 cases. Givi also makes a soft bag that will fit on these racks.
In regards to the keys for the luggage - I suggest going to a locksmith and having him make three keys with only the part that you need and maybe 2:45 eighths of an inch worth of haft beyond it. Then go to Home Depot and buy yourself some plastic end caps. Fill those in gaps with epoxy and stick those keys in with the sunk into the epoxy. Once they’re firmly dried, go stick the keys into the luggage and you now have a very discreet set of knobs that you can use to open your luggage. I did this on my concours because I got tired of having to fish the key out of the key fob.
You got yourself a new Subscriber… also own a 2016 S10 ES and love it 65.000Km and still giving a fight to sport bikes in the twisties… greetings from Toronto.
Great review and video! One minor correction, though. The amber lights work better in environments with particles in the air (dirt, sand, snow, etc) because of the way the human eye works and the fact that we perceive less glare from the yellow light than from white/blue light. It has to do with the number of rods and cones in our eyes. This effect is the reason that ski goggles will frequently have a yellow/gold tint. By reducing the glare that our eyes can see it helps us process the contrast and see different terrain rather than a bright glare that washes out the details.
Thanks for watching. Glad you found your time well invested. Thanks for the clarification, but that was my understandong as well. Maybe the way I presented it produced a confisin. What did you get from my description of the amber lights? Cheers. Nik
Excellent review buddy! Very complete and well produced video. I am lucky to have bought one of the last units sold in my country in 2020. Greetings from Brazil!
Thank you for taking the time to watch the review and to participate in the conversation. It's a great bike for Brazil, and I would love to tour the country on ST.
AKropovik does a perfect end can for the super tenere downwards facing like the original from factory but a much lighter carbon fibre tip I personaly think the st is an awesome machine ATB from the UK !
Thanks for sharing. If you liked the scenery in the review I offer that tour of the Eastern Soerras where this was mostly filmed. The trailer is also in my playlist. Cheers. Nik
Thanks for watching. I'm glad you found the video useful. Thanks also for taking time to complement. Some of footage from this review was filmed at our newly released tour of Eastern Sierra in case you'd ever want to ride. Cheers. Nik.
It’s hard to sell because people don’t know what’s good. I’m glad because I just bought a 19, with 17k for ⅔ of what I sold my 15 GSA with 65k, and it’s my third (15 Z, a 17ZE and now this 19Z)! I really only wanted a Super Tenere, for the 0 issues I’ve had in all of them. It’s a tank and unbeatable. For us who know them they are the best. It’s a bike you can trust, with no more electronics than necessary, which is a rarity this days.Ps : I’ve been riding for 40 years and had dozens of different bikes (including a not missed GSA1200).
Very thorough analysis of the super10ery…. I would agree with about everything you covered. The Super Tenere really is a bulletproof hidden gem, that makes for a great do it all motorcycle at bargain price point in the used market… It can do it all as long as the trail doesn’t get too rough. Lol
Thanks for watching. Glad you found it accurate. If you like the scenery, there's still spots left for it early October tour of eastern Sierra. More info is in the site. Cheers. Nik
46,000 MILES ON MY ST,Gets over 50mpg easily touring Europe 2 up and I dont hang around,Rear Diff main seal replaced 4000 miles ago and routine service ,thats it,totally agree with you with the panniers,crap locks,bike still looks good for a 2011 model,I use Metzeler Tourance tyres,6000ish rear ,9000ish front and you are right you cant sell em but who wants the breakdowns of KTM,DUCATI AND BMW mid vacation,I will keep mine for ever I think.
I know of someone who didn't check the valves for 160000km (not recommended), but these bikes are tanks. Had one and would buy another one for long distance touring.
He didn’t ride it a million miles, he rode two super teneres , combined for 300,000 miles. He’s riding for a million miles. He then went to a Yamaha Venture, then to a t-7, but his goal is a million miles.
The Yamaha cases aren’t great but the rubber seal puts enough force on the lock to make the key difficult just push down on the lid with a couple pounds pressure and its way easier
One most underrated newest bikes. Its overbuilt, clever, quality motorcycle. Maybe it was bit late to the market and not properly advertised. About engine: I saw dyno runs before and after remap... Difference after remap is huge, alot of gains and power are unlocked that transformed engine and power delivery. I hope someone who did remap would write few words :)
No doubt, I agree with everything you mentioned. In fact there was a comment last week that talked about how remapping those wonders for this bike. Would love to experience myself
@@pegasusmotorcycletours To bad BMW took all apples with R1150GS and later on. Tenere has strong heritage but someone at Yamaha let it down. Leading every motorcycle in that class is compared with GS. Being right at wrong time.
Hi Nik! Great Review and very good analytics of the ST. I own since 5years a black DP01 from 2012. I use it only onroad, with Michelin Touring -Sport Tyres. The comfort is unbeatable since 75.000 km now. For Offroad I prefer my old XT500.....the weight.....but you told about it.😁 You forgot to show the possibility to manipulate the fuelinjection ( CO-set) for a smoother running at low rpms. It is a thing of 20 seconds....... And the possibility to reinstall the powerlimiter of the first three gears.... That cost a few bucks, but this is necessary to survive on the Autobahn😁 Greetings from good old Germany alex
Servus Alex, and thanks for participating in the conversation. Thanks for those great tips. I recently test rode the Guzzi stelvio and was very impressed. Very similar specs but a larger tank. I'm curious, I've owned two guzzis and they have been my favorite bikes so far.
A great bike for sure. The triumph 1200 tiger shaft drive is a great alternative but I think it's dearer secondhand but their engines are great. A superten with 30000km+ will be £5000+ . Only drawback is doing valve shims. Fortunately they stay in spec especially if the motor has regular oil and filter changes. That way there will be hardly any wear on the valve train.
Thanks for watching. Please stay tuned as tomorrow I release the trailer for the private Eastern Sierra tour in case you're ever in my neck of the woods. It's.some of the best riding in North America.
Nick Sanders used a tiger 800 doing over 50000 miles on one of his round the world rides. It was a great statement of reliability and not too big and heavy and very reliable. I had cheap Yamaha XT500 and Suzuki GS750 which were both good and the yam was good on Aussie dirt roads but the Suzuki was very reliable and had 40k miles on it. Superb motors and only the gs850 was better due to shaft drive, power and big comfy seat 2 up. One of the best UJM inline 4 cyl of a good 80 bhp at the rear wheel. It went round the clock and was an ex despatch riders bike that cost £500 but never broke down, only a puncture in all the time I had it. Great those GS Suzuki's whether 250,400, 425, 450, 500, 550, 750, 850, 1000.
To get rid of the carpel tunnel pain is get the pro-taper adventure handlebar. The stock handlebar places a wicked twist on your wrist. Put the stock pipe back on it. Loud exhausts are not so good on the ears.
Might save your ears, but not your life...as a 44t truck driver, I often hear you,before I see you...a completely stupid suggestion, the engine was designed on a bench, then strangled...put it back to the way it was designed, noise and all!
Thanks for the recommendation. There are some fantastic riders out there, and I've never been one to push my luck. I like taking my time and wish the bikes were quite so that I wouldn't I trust and scare away the wildlife. But knowing to handle a big bike like this in that way demands respect.
I currently have 15k miles on my 2018 S10. I feel that it is a bit heavy for much offroading, and it is top heavy. Personally, I would like to see them stretch the bike a little and stretch the tank to lower the center of gravity. Other then that, I love the bike. Most of the miles on our bike is road and 2 up. So far, the only upgrades I have made are luggage, and custom seats from Terry's custom seats as it is common to take day trips or even week long trips, so having the better seat is a blessing!
Thanks for that recommendation for the seat manufacturer. The seat comfort is likely the main factor when it comes to owning a bike long term or selling after a month. For your use 2 up it sounds like a perfect setup. Thanks for watching.
Great video. Totally agree on your verdict. I own one since 2018. 1. The fuel consumption in holland / netherlands is better. 1 liter on 20 km. 2. Whats that nice seat cover you use? Tks for your reply Martin
Greetings and thanks for watching. The original owner has attempted to shave off some material from the seat to make it lower. I think he reused the same oem cover. I use an airhawk cushion though. Thanks for watching.
Of course it has room. Only shaft drive big bike if you don’t wanna BMW. And thanks for the great in depth review of the history, technology, and your experience!
Thanks for watching. Glad you found it informative. Most of this review was filmed in the Eastern Sierras so if you'd ever like a private tour pleas see the trailer for.it in the playlist. Cheers. Nik
I think the reason these bike don't sell is if you're really into ADV you're probably just going to go with the GS, if you're new you don't even have a real clue what kind of off road you'll encounter and everyone always says this bike can't handle real off road, which sounds like a deal breaker. This is what I've struggled with personally too. I've never done ADV but want to really bad, but finding a bike that isn't 15,000, off road capable (In my head I want to do hills/and very small jumps but never done either might not be real) AND relatively light seems impossible. I've had a few bikes around 600 and am leaning towards the super tenere as you can get them for 4-5g in my area kitted out. From there I think i'll strip what I can off the bike and see how I feel.
Thanks for watching. This channel is dedicated to adv touring, and so is my company. I've owned and reviewed nearly every adv bile on the market especially in the 650 thumper category so take a look at the list if you are shopping around. I also provide training and private guided tours so you can find that info on my website. Let me know of I can help you get into this incredible world of motorcycle travel. Cheers. Nik
So how does this compare to the Honda Africa twin??? Thank you for the video. Coming from dirt bikes, super bikes the a Yamaha raider. Now looking to dip my foot in, will be doing mostly highway but then gravel back roads and also a mountain bike rack to Arkansas. Thanks again
Thanks for watching and for your question. The AT is much lighter and more capable on the dirt. Bigger front wheel slows for easier riding over rocky terrain or obstacles such as logs. It all depends on how difficult the roads you wanna ride are
I owned the Super Tenere and don't share you opinion of LD comfort. After longer rides, my back would get seriously irrititated, especially when the roads weren't smooth. I feel much better after riding my Tracer 9GT. Perhaps the Tenere ES version is better in that regard.
Great review! I am happy you choose this bike to review as we can not see many videos for ST. I got my first bike 6 months ago and its Strom 650XT, but I feel I need more power and thinking between Strom 1000 or Super Tenere as they are bulletproof and have normal price on market. I am not sure If I am going to see much difference if I choose bigger 1000 Strom. I am 6.7 tall and 230lbs so I guess Super Tenere would not be heavy :)
Zdravo Lazare. Dobrodosao i hvala na podršci. Pisaću na engleski da me ostali razumiju jer ipak ljidi čitaju ove komentare. My very first review on this channel was of my Vstrom DL1000. There is a very noticable difference between that bike and the smaller 650. It also feels a lot like three than the super Tenere. I loved my Vstrom, owned two, and would gladly ride it again. The newer ones also look fantastic with the yellow spoked wheels. Again, it's quite a difference in power between it and the 650. I've owned that twin engine once, on my sv650 and sold it within a week for being underpowered. After that I've owned three sv1000s which share the engine of the Vstrom. The Vstrom also sells quite easily, and doesn't sit on the market as long. I say give it a shot and ride both to compare. But for someone your size, anything less than a liter bike will not cut it. Good luck.
Hi you didn't mention the durability of handgrip heater. May I known your recommendation on how to preserve it as well ? Do you recommend to freely use power spray water on those control on the grip when you do car wash of your bike ?I appreciate your review a lot simply because maybe you're on same height and we almost have same thought on it. Thanks
Thanks for watching and for your question. Washing your bike by hand should not be a problem. Avoid strong pressure washing like at the carwash. The heated grips require no maintenance but I would avoid directing water on the hand controls. I wash my bikes with a bucket and sponge. Cheers.
@Pegasus Motorcycle Tours & Consulting thank you so much for the kind response. Mine is only 14000 km mileage yet the heater is worn out. I watch other review and the found out somewhere in 30000km mileage the cable got broken but he didn't mention as well the reason. . Anyway thanks again.
Hi my friend, ,great review. I have a 2017 super tenere. I saw in your review that the front blinkers are on with a road light ,and not only when the signal is on. How can I do it ? Thanks, Gabriel.
People seem to swear by the brand. I just picked up a bmw k1300s woth a hann9gan bandito sidecar and it too has the Akrapovic. Stay tuned for that exciting reveal, it's one he'll of a build.
Thank you and glad you lied the review. It was filmed in the Eastern Sierras of California where I provide a private tour for next time you're in the states and want to experience some of these places. More info is in the playlist as well as my website. Cheers.
Your Super Tenere looks to have the stock handguards. (As does mine.) Have you found a good upgrade. I tried Tusk's handguards which did not remotely fit my bike. Any suggestions?
I’m considering buying a tenere 1200. Another video stated this bike is an 80/20. 80% on road and 20% off road. Do you agree or disagree with that assessment?
Id say in good hands the bike is more capable than merely 20 percent. Any bike can be 20 percent capable off road. It's all how comfortable you can get with a heavier bike, but one with great components. Fairly unintimidating wider dirt trails are fine. It's an ADV bike after all and yamaha knows how to make bikes.
For sure, if you want an Adventure Touring bike that does great mostly off road on sand, skipping stones, this is not your bike, neither is the BMW or KTM or Triumph or any other heavy weight. Go mid-weight or dual sport. If you want to crush highway miles to get to forest access roads looking for, say, dispersed camping sites or maybe hunting access areas, this is definitely your bike. This is a GREAT touring bike that will carry you and your gear to remote areas for less money and greater reliability. What you can do on a Beemer you can do on an S10. It's a matter of how much you want to spend..
I agree with everything you said with one caveat - the big ktm 1290 can actually do amazing things on rough terrain. More so than the rest in the class. I have a 790 now and am very impressed but have seen what a 1290 in good hands can do.
Glad to hear it. I'm leading a private tour to these lands I. The video this week for 4 days so when You're ready to explore, please feel free to reach out. Cheers. Nik
This is one of the best video’s explaining this is a proper adv bike. I have a 2014 model with 90.000 km on it whit no problems. The thing with the super Tenere is that it is so good it is one of the most borring bike on the market. The power is perfect nobody needs more. The suspension is great the way it eats his miles it is so damn good it is just borring. If you take care a bit of you right hand you can do 20 km’s a liter. I think all bikes above 200 kilo are no good for loose sand and mud or you must be a pro driver or a verry strong men lifting this bully. It is the most underestimeted bike because the european market is ful of bmw’s but I think it is a far better and more reliabel bike dan de GS at the time of production 2010. The new Bmw from 2020 are way better but that is a ten year of more experience. Thanks for the video and have fun. Greetings from Hollanders drive safe.
Thanks for watching and participating in the conversation. I'm glad you found the review accurate. Another bike that similar and very well priced here is the Aprilia caponord. I'm looking for one and 8 grand can ge the rally version. So many bikes, so little time. Greetings from San Diego.
Just bought a 2013 with 10K miles. Can't wait for the season to start. Even on a short test in really cold temps, it feels like the right answer that hits the sweetspot for how I spend time on 2-wheels
What a great review!! How do you compare the Super Ten versus the Moto Guzzi Stelvio? I have owned the Stelvio but sold it a few years ago, mainly because I found it too top-heavy (especially with a full gas tank).
Thanks for watching. I appreciate the question. I love Guzzi in general, find them to be great bang for the buck. I don't have as much experience with the stelvio but did ride one last week. Yes, fairly heavy, and no cruise control is a mystery. Why a tank so huge is also a mystery. I don't know it enough for conparison, but I've loved my california, and my current flying fortress. Both Yamaha and Guzzis big twin engines so they are fun to ride.
Incrivel avalicao e perpectiva sobre a T12. Tenho uma Tracer 900 e uma KLR 650 e estou considerando pegar uma ST no proximo ano. Sou de uma epoca que a tenere 600 fez parte dos meus sonhos porem sem a condicao de compra-la na epoca😂. Talvez eu pegue uma nova, ainda que vejo que ela seguira em 2024 sem nenhuma mudanca. Considero fazer viagens longas com ela…pretendo rodar no asfalto e eventualmente um off leve. Qualquer extra conselho, agradeceria. Abraco🤜🏼🤛🏼
Pozdrav, pogledao sam tvoju recenziju Yamaha STa i moram priznati da mi se svidjela jer je iskrena. Mislio sam da sam medju rijetkima i da je moje misljenje previse subjektivno za ovaj motor, medjutim, izgleda da nisam jedini. Sve je tako kako si opisao, nista manje nista vise. Ja je vec vozim 5 godina i dalje je upoznajem. Razmisljao sam je zamjeniti ove godine za BMW GS ali kao sto rekoh tvoja iskrena recenzija me ubjedila da je jos ne rjesavam, barem za naredne 2 godine. Lets switch on ENG😊 Hello, I looked at your review of the Yamaha STa and I have to admit that I liked it because it was honest. I thought that I was among the few and that my opinion was too subjective for this engine, however, it seems that I am not the only one. Everything is as you described, nothing less, nothing more. I've been driving it for 5 years and I'm still getting to know it. I thought about replacing it this year for a BMW GS, but as I said, your honest review convinced me not to decide on it yet, at least for the next 2 years. Regards!
Zdravo. Hvala na podršci. Drago mi je da čujem da i nas narod prati moj rad. Trudim se da prevedem recenzije ali sve uzima puno vremena, nova beba stigle prije mjesec dana pa je malo sna i puno pelena. Zdravo bio pande pišemo. Nikola
They look very well made, and intelligently designed. They even have their own skid plate for the crash bars which is brilliant. The product looks very robust. Albeit I haven't crashed hard on these.
It’s funny how all comments say how all go for the ktm bmw triumph Ducati big advs. personally I hate them, oddly I am lucky to be able to afford them but I wouldn’t touch them. I’d get a st10. Love the looks even though some call it dated.
Thanks for watching. The japs know how to make a motorcycle. I am, however, very impressed with my KTMs. I've had three so far and the performance is top in class. Im also impressed with the guzzi adv bike. What makes you dislike them?
For the slippery top of the cases, you know those small glue on plastic door handle stoppers? Yea get a pack of those and place 6/8 of em on the top. Worked like a charm for me and theyr practically invisible.
@@pegasusmotorcycletours i do, but they dont collect on the glue, more so on the hot "plastic" material... Also another good one (that works better than door knob stoppers) is that clear tape that comes with sticker kits and other stuff allike. Maybe even stuff like tank grips wouldnt be bad.
one gallon means 3.8 liters at 40 miles i.e. 60 km... so at 60 miles i.e. 100 km it would consume about 1.5 gallons i.e. 5.7 liters... I say that for a 1200 cc engine it is very good consumption... on the highway at 95-100 miles the consumption of my motorcycle was 1.6 gallons... so personally I say it's more than ok...
Perhaps it's my own personal annoyance with having to visit the gas station literally every day to fill my vehicles. For that time saving it's been nice owning an electric motorcycle. My home bfr1200 also has a smaller gas tank than it's 800 predecessor which is and annoyance. Thanks for watching
@@pegasusmotorcycletours sounds good That’s what I’m leaning towards, especially at the price you can get them for. Awesome channel btw, very thorough and detailed reviews. You’re like Ian from Big Rock Moto in that way
Great film But the super Ténéré can do very more I make the Alps in France with the machine My son with the 700 Ténéré We had to go to a very long part of the pist from red bull downhill and this was the hardest part for my big lady I think is not the bike Is the rider that has to control it. I make some hard enduro ride and I never feel unsafe Sorry for error's in the text Greetings from Germany Pascal
I agree with you that in every case it's not the bike but the rider. More so with bigger bikes like this. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to participate in the conversation. I'm glad you found the review worth your time. Greetings from California and happy New Year
110BHP & 82ft lbs Torque, 270 degree crank, twin spark plugs per cylinder, 1199cc engine, 261kgs in weight. Yamaha stopped production of this motorcycle in 2020 in the european market due to not making the engine EURO 5 emissions efficient.
Thanks for watching. I'm trying to translate.my.reviews in the languages I speak but it will take some time I appreciate hearing from you. Greetings from California
With Motoz Adventure tires you can dig thru the sand on this beast. And it can do some wanna-be-extreme thing, it's always a pilot, not a motorcycle. Mine 2019 has 39000km, I did tough terrains on it, bulletproof.
That's a valid point. I think BMW has the marketing side covered, out of the GS ownership they have made a global community. But I do t think the most serious ADV tourers aiming for a RTW trip would opt out for either of these. There always are exceptions.
@@pegasusmotorcycletours the pipe between the motor and the muffler it would move the muffler back or you could add a piece at the tip that turn the exhaust gas just enough to not melt anything.
people commute with bikes in California that’s part of the reason why i’m selling my Honda ST1300 it’s over 730 lbs completely overkill for everyday riding
That does sound like a lot from a sport tourer. I ride the Honda vfr1200f and its quite agile with the three piece luggage. I've review many bikes in that category such as the Kawasaki concours.
@@josemanrique458 for commuting, the ST has larger side cases although not by much. Neither bikes can fit a helmet inside the success. I say that cause i commute 60 miles to the office and have a vfr1200 and I use one sidecar for my helmet, the other form my chaps cause it's cold, and the top case is where my backpack and jacket and vests go. So i walk in without any gear and it's nice.
I am the 3rd and longest owner of a 2012 ST. I grew up on trail bikes (1960-70's), then graduated to large street touring bikes. Then after a bad wreck, dropped down to 500cc bikes. Then I bought this because I wanted to explore the western US, as I did when younger. In my first mile of sandy road I dropped this bike, twice. I've gotten pretty good at picking it up. When I am cruising with my friend and his GS1200 at 70mph, I am running around 3600 rpm and he 4000rpm, so I am getting better fuel usage. I've noticed that traveling out west that I get even or better fuel mileage at 80 than 70. Not sure why this is, but happy it does. The bike has much more power than I need. I have ridden crotch rockets at 150 mph on highways and I don't need that temptation at 68. I have had to escape from cagers and they get tired of trying to follow me at 100mph. I don't ride the bike in Sport mode for instance, because I don't need it when touring. Perhaps if I were loaded up on unstable ground, I would use sport mode. I have thought about getting the extra 20 hp on a re-map, but haven't really felt the need. I agree that there needs to be a mid-mode, and should not hide that extra horsepower. I changed out the stock handlebars for a pro-taper adventure so standing is more comfortable and pivot pegs for a safer platform. The stock pegs broke off eventually; I wasn't as impressed with them as you. I don't like the stock bags as they can dismount towards the spokes on a hard side impact and are a pain to remove when this occurs. And they are heavy and break the keys. Leaning towards Lone Rider Soft luggage, and no large top box. I don't have the luxury of electronic suspension. Something else to go wrong, in my opinion. Right now I'm facing rebuilding my ABS, or perhaps deep cleaning it. I had to change out the automatic cam change tensioner and the ignition switch. These problems have been ironed out in later models.This is the first bike I've ever owned with ABS and Traction control. I love it. This bike stops really great! I like that it doesn't have a damned beak. I'd like to see a bit more clearance between the front tire and the fender. I disagree with you on the momentary fuel usage because I can monitor my fuel usage as I go. Remember that fuel pump holds about a gallon of fuel. I have never run the bike out of gas even though I've had the warning light for an hour. You have about 2 gallons after the light comes on. Near the end you mentioned the start up procedure. Like a computer, you can't use it immediately. You must let it boot up and run through its processes. Same with the Ten, you must let it run through the boot up process, then it will start immediately. No doubt, the newer bikes are better. My Royal Enfield Bullet 500 gets 75mpg. But it doesn't over 600 pounds fully loaded or go 80mph all day. I will keep this bike. Cheers!
Thanks so much for that. I love hearing from owners. I wasn't aware the fuel pump occupies a gallon of fuel. I wouldn't mind the former version without all the button either to be very honest. Such a fantastic bike, not sure why we don't see them more often. Thanks for watching. I'll be releasing a review of a 1939 Harley knucklehead this weekend so hopefully you tune in. Best. Nik
my ABS failed too , started to get air in to rear caliper . After million attempts to clean and bleed ABS I just swapped brake hoses around . Hose from rear brake goes strait to the pedal and hose from ABS goes in circle for rear brake. Now front still has ABS and back do not , love it .
The second generation corrected many of your issues. Specifically 2018 and never have several improvements. Annual non visual improvements were made by Yamaha. See forums for annual changes. The soft aluminum key issue is corrected by getting a few duplicated keys made which use harder metals and do not bend. For onroad use the Yamaha luggage is fine, just keep lubricating the locks and mounts, also learn the correct procedure for opening/closing and mounting/dismounting. For off-road use soft luggage is better. Electronic suspension is very useful and dependable in my experience. To be able to change settings dramatically on the fly while riding is a huge benefit. Different settings needed for interstate, curvy roads, dirt roads, extra person, luggage, etc. Even better would be dynamic suspension. People need to consider that this is an XT Yamaha dual purpose bike, so it will be a compromise design for on and off road. It can be adapted either dirrection with seat, tire, suspension, and accessory changes. It is not a pure cruiser, sport tourer or a dirt bike. The carry capacity of this bike is incredible due to heavy duty big steel frame and engineering. See Fortnine review. Overall this bike is best for people who want a dual purpose bike design, want relability, durability, easy of maintenance, high carry capacity, and can tolerate the weight and engineering compromises. If you look back at your bike after a long ride and smile, it is the right one for you.
Those '39 Knucks kinda suck for serious ADV riding, trust me.@@pegasusmotorcycletours
Please assist me with how you dealt with the shakey front section with the dash board, lights and wind protection. I have a feeling something is loose on my bike to cause it to shake as much
Good info. I have a 2015 ST. Bought brand new. I have never loaded it down heavily, I like packing lite. I can get between 48-51 mpg. This bike has been
one of the best bikes I have ever owned. I keep wanting to sell and get something lighter then I take it for a ride and think I am crazy to sell. I agree for
hwy touring this bike is perfect. I have done 600 mile days no problem on this bike. I am fortunate enough to have several bikes. I do have a lighter D/S bike
for more off road rides. This bike is a very good value, and only a handful of people know that. Reliability is the key factor for this bike.
Thanks for sharing. I agree that this is a bike thats surprisingly under the radar - so much to offer to the adv and touring community. I appreciate you watching and chming in. Happy new Year.
The Super Tenere responds very well to tuning. A full Arrow exhaust and ecu flash make it really wake up. Power Commander w/Autotune gets those AFRs down to the 13.6 area where the Superten runs cooler and powerful.
As far as your numb hand: The stock bars are awful. I put a pair of Fasstflex 15 degree bars on 2” risers, no more hand, wrist or shoulder pain, ever.
If you’re venturing into dirt, get the stickiest aggressive tire you can stand. I really like Anakee Wilds. On gravel/muddy roads, they work great! Ride in traction control 2 setting, let the rear drive the front.
The seat leveling mod, look it up, works wonderfully. Just do it!
A lightly used Superten is the best bargain in the motorcycle world.
Thank you very much for taking the time to watch the video and participate in a conversation. Current and future owners will appreciate you sharing those words of wisdom when it comes to use the mods. Safe travels and happy New Year
thanks, I will have to look in Fasstflex , as for tuning :)) Tenere really moving after it . Many reviewers I see, who no not own bike or have him chiped , newer try wide open in second :)))
Who does ecu tuning. I haven't had much luck finding one for this bike
@@mikescott9213 2Wheeldynoworks in the Seattle area are very good with this bike. They can really refine the fuel delivery and eliminate the 1-3rd gear smoothness. They do several other things to the map and you DO, depending on exhaust, deliver a power increase. Mostly, though, it makes the power less glitchy and more refined if that makes sense. Cost is about $275 and you can just send them the ECU and they will have it back to you within a week. GL
1-3 gear roughnessi n Sport mode. is what I meant!
Great review. I bought a brand new 2017 and now have a little over 41,000 trouble free miles on it. General maintenance, tires and go. It's never left me stranded and never failed to start. It's an undervalued motorcycle. It does everything it should. Could it lose some weight? Could it have more horsepower? Could it have more electronics? Sure. That all comes with a price. It's a solid motorcycle that didn't get much love after 10+ years. Mother Yamaha let this bike to the wayside and moved on to other things. Shame really. However, mine is paid for, does everything I need it to do without any fuss and will likely be in my stable for years to come. I do want to see 100,000 on the odometer before I start considering other motorcycles. Have a Happy New Year and thank you for your incredible and informative TH-cam Channel.
I appreciate you taking the time to watch and share your owner experience. It makes.me appreciate this bike even more. Happy new year and thanks for the support
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Brilliant machine
agree - what i learned is that our beloved XT1200 didn't fulfill the EU standards on machine environment regulations and therefor had to stop. of course the salesfigures played a role no doubt, to leave it
o yes, before i forget, i have almost 60.000 km on the clock, bought it new in 2018. once one issue with the cruise control but that was a factory thing, they solved it. love that machine!
Thanks for the most excellent review. From your review and all the comments below, I'm sold after spotting one at the dealership today; I wasn't even aware of them. It appears to really be a diamond in the rough. I plan on keeping it for years and years. I like the fact that not many people are riding them actually! Makes them more unique.
Thank you for watching you for taking the time to compliment. Congratulations and please let me know your thoughts after owning it.
It looks like this is the best review on Super Tenere! I got acquainted with a huge mass of video reports on the same topic, but I have never met such wonderful ones. Bravo! Russia, Moscow.
Привет. Great praise. Glad you liked it
Thanks for watching. Stay tuned for a review of a very special 1939 Harley Davidson Knucklehead. Cheers. And if you are ever in California, you can book a private guided tour of these gorgeous mountains with me. Здравствуйте. Nik
@@pegasusmotorcycletours Thanks! Yes, someday... unfortunately
Thanks for your video. I have the r1200gs, xt1200z, and vstrom1050xt. The r1200gs is heavy but has a low center of gravity, making it the most off-road capable of the three, the xt1200z is the heaviest but makes a stable, fast tourer, and the vstrom1050xt is on-road oriented but is light and fast like a naked bike. All three are fun to ride on trails. They all have their own unique characteristics as well as commonalities, making them fun to ride.
Interesting garage you have there. Seems like all roughly in the same class but it's interesting that the minor differences between them are sufficient for you to keep all three. The low center of gravity on the gs is impressive. I'll be looking to get one albeit I havent been a fan of bmw ownership experience. Too demanding.
I have had this bike for 12k miles , great touring bike and super reliable.
Gear indicator goes out when you pull in the clutch, very annoying when you are at a light.
Thanks for watching. I'm getting very curious about the Aprilia caponord rally. I feel like they are similar. And the Honda vfr1200 is also intriguing but none can be found on the market. Apparently people must really like them.
This is an excellent review. I own a 2016 Super Tenere. You hit all of the key high points and the quirks, like the deceiving gas gauge and the cruise control lag. Anyone who’s interested in a Super Tenere should watch this review before buying one. I love mine!
Thank you so much for taking the time to watch the review and participate in a conversation. It means a great deal to me that a veteran owner such as yourself agrees with some of my conclusions and finds the review valuable and accurate. I appreciate you and stay safe out there. Nik
Ove just done an awesome 3 day ride on my super tenere down rough tracks, river crossings... fully loaded with camping gear... went brilliantly. I feel more confident on my Super T than I did on my Tenere 660. Loving it.
That's awesome. It's a fantastic bike, i wonder why it doesn't get more attention.
Because some, mostly egocentric people have to bitch in order to feel like they have contributed to the current conversation...
I've met more people who have an opinion about the super 10 being overweight or underpowered than people who have actually owned/maintain and ridden one..
I feel that's why they go unappreciated and I'm good with that ! Keeps used prices and parts cheaper.
We really are living in a great age for motorcycling and there are various types of owners... Some say little and just get on and ride hundreds of thousands of miles/kms without hassle, then there are others who just have to talk opinion and put 3k year max on their bikes.... some get the enjoyment out of the ride, others just want to sit around and chat... both are acceptable but I'd rather be in the first group.
I liked your video. Nice Job.
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This was GOLD!!
Excellent review. Great info, assessment, filming, edits.
Thanks you for this huge effort.
Thanks so much for taking the time to watch as well as to acknowledgement the effort it took to produce this. I am happy to hear you find your time well invested. Cheers. Nik
Great review. You don't see much on the Super Tenere. People seem to gravitate to the hot, new, flashy stuff. The ST is very underrated and under appreciated gem. I think a big part of that is all the performances that Yamaha left hidden to be found through various mods.
I have a 2012 model that I bought in 2018 with 18,000 miles. The previous owner kitted it out pretty thoroughly. The biggest thing i did was put a full Arrow exhaust on and had the ECU flashed. It did a lot to smooth out the throttle and get rid of the jerky engine braking. It really woke the bike up and now the T mode feels close to the previous S mode and S mode is just fun now. People talk a lot about the big HP you get from other bikes but most of that HP is never used or needed by 99% of the riders. I also installed a switch that mimics pulling the fuse from the ABS so it's really easy to turn off when needed. Be sure to keep good maintenance on the brake fluid or it can kill the ABS. Ask me how i know. At about 30,000 miles I needed to replace the rear shock and rebuild the forks. I put an Ohlins shock on the rear and Racetech parts in the forks, it really was a positive gain in performances. I really feel like it will be my forever bike, just due to it's, comfort and versatility. It's not the flashiest, but it's solid and reliable and has everything i need in a ADV bike.
Thank you so much for sharing that detailed review of your own yamaha. I remain a huge fan and would probably consider returning to it in the near future. I have a friend who's in love with this generation 700 so I'd love to show them what the bigger brother is all about next time we hit the trails. Right now I'm enjoying my KTM 790 adventure which feels exceptionally light for its capability but I do miss some of the conveniences the super tannere had.
The resale value is crazy considering how good it is. The triumph 1600 T bird twin is another great bike and bargain in the USA 4k for an immaculate one with less than 20k on the clock. Another fab bike to ride as it's got so much low down pull.
One of the best bikes ive ever owned.
Me too, for sure. Thanks for watching.
Tengo una 2010 desde nueva actualmente 107000 km y se siente y se ve igual que cuando nueva, muy contento con la moto solo mantenimiento usual cambio de aceite pastillas de freno y llantas, nunca un daño mayor. Es una bestia de moto que lo lleva y lo trae al fin del mundo sin ningún inconvenientes. Una gran inversión por el precio de la moto y hace todo bien. Tiene lo justo en ayudas electrónicas, una gran moto.
Así es, una bestia muy bien hecha y lista para las avanturas. Estoy haciendo un tur privado de los Balkanes, Montenegro principalmente que tiene tanto para oferecer a nuestra comunidad. Te voy informando quando sale este anuncio. Gracias por el apoyo y feliz 2023. Nikola
Titulky CZ?
Finally! I have been trying to find an actual review of the ST. I have been looking at these bikes for 2 years now, and have heard only complaints 🙄. Thank you for the great review.
Glad to be of help and good luck.
@pegasusmotorcycletours thank you! Happy trails sir! 🤙🍻
Nick, I'm glad to have comes across your review this evening. I laid my 2020 Super T down on one of the sharp turns on Highway 1 (just north of Bodega Bay) last week. Messed up the OEM engine guard and bent the gear-shift lever, but no other damage (besides my own cracked ribs). I had just about concluded that I was going to sell this bike -- because, as you point out, it's very heavy at low speeds and straight up tough to maneuver when not running -- and buy something lighter.
But your review of the Super T was so positive that I was convinced to hang on to this machine...and work on increasing my skills to ride it better vs. blaming the bike. And to replace my damaged Yamaha engine guard, tonight I bought the T-Rex engine guard that you have.
Thank you for being willing to talk about all the great points the Super T provides, when so many other reviews compare it to the GS, which I'm not sure makes sense. Your enthusiasm for this bike is catchy -- and my decision to hang onto this big boy is proof of that! ✌🏼
Vest to hear it. I wish you a quick recovery. Consider perhaps taking training and a guide to improve your riding skills off-road. It's all about practice. I offer that if interested, private lessons and tours and more ís on my website but feel free to reach out. In any case it all depends on what kind of riding you want to do- how intense off-road. It wouldn't be my first choice bit for the tours I lead in Eastern Sierra, socal and utah, it's a great bike.
I had a 2012 for 5 years and almost 30k trouble free miles. Honestly, I never rode it off road on anything more than a hard packed dirt road. I spent 95% of my time on the pavement. It soaked up the miles effortlessly, and like you mention its low center of gravity makes it handle quite well for as tall as it is. I'm considering getting one again!
Me too honestly - very tempted for another one.
Just bought a 2012 with 2000 miles on it. It looks brand new!! Checking in from Indiana.
Cheers! And Ciongrats. The dash and Electronics part will not apply to you but most of the other details will. I hope you enjoy the bike and are getting through the cold. Best. Nik
Found a 2013 with 10K. Bargain price!
Probably my last bike as they say it'll take me out to 100k without a hiccup.
Can't wait to prove that right!
Your assessment is accurate based on my ownership of a 2016 model for 5 years now. I've been on two wheels since age 12, a long time ago, before bikes were so specialized (and riders so pampered by their bikes). I can go anywhere with this bike except for the most challenging off road spots. For that I take the KLR or the trusty old XR400R made street legal. I have a stable of bikes from a touring 2018 Gold Wing to the off road XR on the other end, guess which one has the most seat time? The ST1200. Every road, be it interstate, 2 lane blue highway, forest service "road" or even a reasonable 2 track is open to me on the ST. This is like the big Beemer ADV bike, undervalued and underappreciated. One does have to have a decent inseam to ride it in a comfortable manner. It will stay in my garage until I can't ride anymore, for the price and the ride I can't beat it.
Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to share your experience. I truly appreciated. Happy new year. Nik
Great comment! Looking to buy and your comment helps greatly.
Great comment about the noise, I took off the Yoshimura pipe too and put the standard one back on because it’s quieter
Thanks for watching and sharing. Cheers. Nik
Half the price of a GS and double the reliability.....I bought mine in 2018, 1 year old with 260 miles on it, for 10.5K. Sold it in 2022 for 16.5K (with 2K aftermarket parts) and now am getting a new one for 15K. Life is good. Best bike ever.
Killer deal and excellent sale. I see them at dealerships for months. I don't get it.
@@pegasusmotorcycletours lack of marketing I guess. People buy what is sold to them as being cool. The S10 is not cool. It's just a tank, indestructible and super capable but she is not fashionable I suppose. Beats me! I'll take it....
Just came back from a local dealer here in the Sunshine state, 2020 w/ 2k miles $11,200 out the door. Minor wear and tear from what looks to be a stationary drop on the right side, although not on fairing but on that plastic extended oem guard and a pin point dent on top of tank. I thought the bike was pretty light actually, I am not flat footing (I'm 5,10.5 " tall' 32 inseam) but it felt easy enough to handle it. Seat is way more comfortable than the new 700, bike is lower too than the 700. I liked the bike, seems like it has all the great things a long adv tourer should have, albeit staying off any higher difficulty level off road terrain. I am still not sure if I should go for it, I have a deposit on a Triumph Explorer XRX which also seems like an amazing touring bike and actually lighter on paper than the twin cyl Super Tenere !!? How is that possible haha but some say the Triumph is top heavy, which the S. Tenere didn't feel like being one...oh well, gotta toss a coin I guess! Appreciate your in-depth review, really helpful!! Ride safe!! Abracao!!
That's a good deal it seems. It's a hard decision to be honest. Would be nice to find both on the local rental market and try them out, see what speaks to you more. Check riders Share or twisted throttle.
Thanks 4 yr in-depth review. Well done.
I agree with you about this machine, just fantastic.
Very seriously underrated peice of kit i reckon.
I lent mine to a friend to ride and i followed him on my fjr1300 2008.
I struggled to keep up with him.
I asked him when we stopped if he was trying to race me and he said that he was just cruising.
That blew me away.
Thanks for sharing. I rarely see one on the road. I'm not sure why this didn't sell better for yamaha. You can pick these up for so much less money than the competition.
Nik you do the most comprehensive reviews on bikes, which are more relevant seeing they are bought with your own money. just wondering how this compares to the other shaft drive ADV bikes not so much BMW but Triumph tiger 1200 & the more modern Moto Guzzi v85TT. Merry Christmas to you & your family.
Thank you for watching and for your support of my work and this channel. My experience with triumphs thus far has been one of satisfaction with the ride and dissatisfaction with the ownership. That is more relevant to newer trials as the older ones from the '90s for example seem to have been built better. I reviewed both the newer sprints as well as the older daytonas. I don't have extended personal experience with either of the two motorcycles you ask about that would permit a valid review, however I've heard exceptionally positive opinions from owners of the Guzzi. And after my ownership of a Guzzi California from Brand new, I would have zero hesitancy in pulling the trigger on its adventure touring Beauty.
Since you aren't thrilled with the factory panniers and have the Givi racks I would recommend their Dolomiti hard cases. They will fit on the racks you have for the e22 cases. Givi also makes a soft bag that will fit on these racks.
Thanks so much for the recommendation. I appreciate it.
In regards to the keys for the luggage - I suggest going to a locksmith and having him make three keys with only the part that you need and maybe 2:45 eighths of an inch worth of haft beyond it. Then go to Home Depot and buy yourself some plastic end caps. Fill those in gaps with epoxy and stick those keys in with the sunk into the epoxy. Once they’re firmly dried, go stick the keys into the luggage and you now have a very discreet set of knobs that you can use to open your luggage. I did this on my concours because I got tired of having to fish the key out of the key fob.
That's very common woth the goldwing gas cap and documents pocket. Thanksmfor the suggestion. I know what you Mean.
You got yourself a new Subscriber… also own a 2016 S10 ES and love it 65.000Km and still giving a fight to sport bikes in the twisties… greetings from Toronto.
Great to have you. Welcome to the channel. Glad you found my review accurate. Stay warm up there. Greetings from wet San Diego.
Great review and video! One minor correction, though. The amber lights work better in environments with particles in the air (dirt, sand, snow, etc) because of the way the human eye works and the fact that we perceive less glare from the yellow light than from white/blue light. It has to do with the number of rods and cones in our eyes. This effect is the reason that ski goggles will frequently have a yellow/gold tint. By reducing the glare that our eyes can see it helps us process the contrast and see different terrain rather than a bright glare that washes out the details.
Thanks for watching. Glad you found your time well invested. Thanks for the clarification, but that was my understandong as well. Maybe the way I presented it produced a confisin. What did you get from my description of the amber lights? Cheers. Nik
True. Perfectly explained.
In environments with no particles amber lightning is much worse. So it comes to where and when you ride.
Excellent review buddy!
Very complete and well produced video.
I am lucky to have bought one of the last units sold in my country in 2020.
Greetings from Brazil!
Thank you for taking the time to watch the review and to participate in the conversation. It's a great bike for Brazil, and I would love to tour the country on ST.
AKropovik does a perfect end can for the super tenere downwards facing like the original from factory but a much lighter carbon fibre tip I personaly think the st is an awesome machine ATB from the UK !
Thanks for sharing. If you liked the scenery in the review I offer that tour of the Eastern Soerras where this was mostly filmed. The trailer is also in my playlist. Cheers. Nik
Thank you for all the information. I especially like the info about resale. You were very open, and I appreciate hearing what you've learned.
Thanks for watching. I'm glad you found the video useful. Thanks also for taking time to complement. Some of footage from this review was filmed at our newly released tour of Eastern Sierra in case you'd ever want to ride. Cheers. Nik.
It’s hard to sell because people don’t know what’s good. I’m glad because I just bought a 19, with 17k for ⅔ of what I sold my 15 GSA with 65k, and it’s my third (15 Z, a 17ZE and now this 19Z)! I really only wanted a Super Tenere, for the 0 issues I’ve had in all of them. It’s a tank and unbeatable. For us who know them they are the best. It’s a bike you can trust, with no more electronics than necessary, which is a rarity this days.Ps : I’ve been riding for 40 years and had dozens of different bikes (including a not missed GSA1200).
Thanks for sharing. I'll be back on one myself, right now I ridee a KTM, but I hear they might be getting discontinued
Very thorough analysis of the super10ery…. I would agree with about everything you covered. The Super Tenere really is a bulletproof hidden gem, that makes for a great do it all motorcycle at bargain price point in the used market… It can do it all as long as the trail doesn’t get too rough. Lol
Thanks for watching. Glad you found it accurate. If you like the scenery, there's still spots left for it early October tour of eastern Sierra. More info is in the site. Cheers. Nik
46,000 MILES ON MY ST,Gets over 50mpg easily touring Europe 2 up and I dont hang around,Rear Diff main seal replaced 4000 miles ago and routine service ,thats it,totally agree with you with the panniers,crap locks,bike still looks good for a 2011 model,I use Metzeler Tourance tyres,6000ish rear ,9000ish front and you are right you cant sell em but who wants the breakdowns of KTM,DUCATI AND BMW mid vacation,I will keep mine for ever I think.
I can see the appeal of this being the long term keeper. It has everything a rider.coukd want. Thanks for watching and coming in
I know of someone who didn't check the valves for 160000km (not recommended), but these bikes are tanks. Had one and would buy another one for long distance touring.
Is I was looking to invest in a new bike ot would likely be this one. Thanks for sharing.
Long Haul Paul rode it 1 million miles...enough said.
This is the very best full size ADV bike in the market.
Very true. Phenomenal bike for the money especially.
He didn’t ride it a million miles, he rode two super teneres , combined for 300,000 miles. He’s riding for a million miles. He then went to a Yamaha Venture, then to a t-7, but his goal is a million miles.
@@trucker-d4161 Much appreciate the clarification.
@@trucker-d4161 thanks for letting me know. One of his bike is in the museum now. But still very impressive.
The Yamaha cases aren’t great but the rubber seal puts enough force on the lock to make the key difficult just push down on the lid with a couple pounds pressure and its way easier
Thanks for the tip and for participating in the conversation. Cheers. Nik
I have a 2017 model, and I don't call it Touring Mode, but Town Mode. That's where I use it. 😊
Time for a trip no? I just release a tour of Eastern Sierras if you wanna see and rode a gorgeous area.
One most underrated newest bikes. Its overbuilt, clever, quality motorcycle. Maybe it was bit late to the market and not properly advertised.
About engine: I saw dyno runs before and after remap... Difference after remap is huge, alot of gains and power are unlocked that transformed engine and power delivery. I hope someone who did remap would write few words :)
No doubt, I agree with everything you mentioned. In fact there was a comment last week that talked about how remapping those wonders for this bike. Would love to experience myself
@@pegasusmotorcycletours To bad BMW took all apples with R1150GS and later on. Tenere has strong heritage but someone at Yamaha let it down. Leading every motorcycle in that class is compared with GS. Being right at wrong time.
Hi Nik! Great Review and very good analytics of the ST. I own since 5years a black DP01 from 2012. I use it only onroad, with Michelin Touring -Sport Tyres. The comfort is unbeatable since 75.000 km now. For Offroad I prefer my old XT500.....the weight.....but you told about it.😁
You forgot to show the possibility to manipulate the fuelinjection ( CO-set) for a smoother running at low rpms. It is a thing of 20 seconds.......
And the possibility to reinstall the powerlimiter of the first three gears....
That cost a few bucks, but
this is necessary to survive on the Autobahn😁
Greetings from good old Germany
alex
Servus Alex, and thanks for participating in the conversation. Thanks for those great tips. I recently test rode the Guzzi stelvio and was very impressed. Very similar specs but a larger tank. I'm curious, I've owned two guzzis and they have been my favorite bikes so far.
A great bike for sure. The triumph 1200 tiger shaft drive is a great alternative but I think it's dearer secondhand but their engines are great. A superten with 30000km+ will be £5000+ . Only drawback is doing valve shims. Fortunately they stay in spec especially if the motor has regular oil and filter changes. That way there will be hardly any wear on the valve train.
Thanks for watching. Please stay tuned as tomorrow I release the trailer for the private Eastern Sierra tour in case you're ever in my neck of the woods. It's.some of the best riding in North America.
Nick Sanders used a tiger 800 doing over 50000 miles on one of his round the world rides. It was a great statement of reliability and not too big and heavy and very reliable. I had cheap Yamaha XT500 and Suzuki GS750 which were both good and the yam was good on Aussie dirt roads but the Suzuki was very reliable and had 40k miles on it. Superb motors and only the gs850 was better due to shaft drive, power and big comfy seat 2 up. One of the best UJM inline 4 cyl of a good 80 bhp at the rear wheel. It went round the clock and was an ex despatch riders bike that cost £500 but never broke down, only a puncture in all the time I had it. Great those GS Suzuki's whether 250,400, 425, 450, 500, 550, 750, 850, 1000.
To get rid of the carpel tunnel pain is get the pro-taper adventure handlebar. The stock handlebar places a wicked twist on your wrist. Put the stock pipe back on it. Loud exhausts are not so good on the ears.
Thanks for the to. Really appreciate it.
I've used vitamin B6 twice to get rid of carpal tunnel. 100mg/day? Don't remember, its been decades now.
Might save your ears, but not your life...as a 44t truck driver, I often hear you,before I see you...a completely stupid suggestion, the engine was designed on a bench, then strangled...put it back to the way it was designed, noise and all!
Look up the Alt Rider crash bars, and the video they have for the bike. They are whipping it around like it weigh closer to 400 lbs. I was shocked.
Thanks for the recommendation. There are some fantastic riders out there, and I've never been one to push my luck. I like taking my time and wish the bikes were quite so that I wouldn't I trust and scare away the wildlife. But knowing to handle a big bike like this in that way demands respect.
I currently have 15k miles on my 2018 S10. I feel that it is a bit heavy for much offroading, and it is top heavy. Personally, I would like to see them stretch the bike a little and stretch the tank to lower the center of gravity. Other then that, I love the bike. Most of the miles on our bike is road and 2 up. So far, the only upgrades I have made are luggage, and custom seats from Terry's custom seats as it is common to take day trips or even week long trips, so having the better seat is a blessing!
Thanks for that recommendation for the seat manufacturer. The seat comfort is likely the main factor when it comes to owning a bike long term or selling after a month. For your use 2 up it sounds like a perfect setup. Thanks for watching.
An absolute brilliant bike but yes your right about the resale value and hard to sell which is unbelievable for such a great machine
I agree and don't know what explains it.
Great review - can you please share what secondary seat pad you are using, it looks fantastic.
Dan?. Thank you. I use the air hawk. You can pump it up to a desired firmness.
Great video. Totally agree on your verdict. I own one since 2018.
1. The fuel consumption in holland / netherlands is better. 1 liter on 20 km.
2. Whats that nice seat cover you use?
Tks for your reply
Martin
Greetings and thanks for watching.
The original owner has attempted to shave off some material from the seat to make it lower. I think he reused the same oem cover. I use an airhawk cushion though. Thanks for watching.
@@pegasusmotorcycletours tks!
Great review. Now I want a Super Tenere!!!
No regrets, you'll love it.
Of course it has room. Only shaft drive big bike if you don’t wanna BMW. And thanks for the great in depth review of the history, technology, and your experience!
Thanks for watching. Glad you found it informative. Most of this review was filmed in the Eastern Sierras so if you'd ever like a private tour pleas see the trailer for.it in the playlist. Cheers. Nik
@@pegasusmotorcycletours but of course I bought a KTM 890 instead of the STen😂
Great review!! Which brand of crash bars are those?
Thank you. T-rex
I think the reason these bike don't sell is if you're really into ADV you're probably just going to go with the GS, if you're new you don't even have a real clue what kind of off road you'll encounter and everyone always says this bike can't handle real off road, which sounds like a deal breaker. This is what I've struggled with personally too. I've never done ADV but want to really bad, but finding a bike that isn't 15,000, off road capable (In my head I want to do hills/and very small jumps but never done either might not be real) AND relatively light seems impossible. I've had a few bikes around 600 and am leaning towards the super tenere as you can get them for 4-5g in my area kitted out. From there I think i'll strip what I can off the bike and see how I feel.
Thanks for watching. This channel is dedicated to adv touring, and so is my company. I've owned and reviewed nearly every adv bile on the market especially in the 650 thumper category so take a look at the list if you are shopping around. I also provide training and private guided tours so you can find that info on my website. Let me know of I can help you get into this incredible world of motorcycle travel. Cheers. Nik
So how does this compare to the Honda Africa twin??? Thank you for the video. Coming from dirt bikes, super bikes the a Yamaha raider. Now looking to dip my foot in, will be doing mostly highway but then gravel back roads and also a mountain bike rack to Arkansas.
Thanks again
Thanks for watching and for your question. The AT is much lighter and more capable on the dirt. Bigger front wheel slows for easier riding over rocky terrain or obstacles such as logs. It all depends on how difficult the roads you wanna ride are
I owned the Super Tenere and don't share you opinion of LD comfort. After longer rides, my back would get seriously irrititated, especially when the roads weren't smooth. I feel much better after riding my Tracer 9GT. Perhaps the Tenere ES version is better in that regard.
I'm not aware of any seat differences between models of the S10 but Tha ks for sharing your experience.
Great review! I am happy you choose this bike to review as we can not see many videos for ST.
I got my first bike 6 months ago and its Strom 650XT, but I feel I need more power and thinking between Strom 1000 or Super Tenere as they are bulletproof and have normal price on market. I am not sure If I am going to see much difference if I choose bigger 1000 Strom. I am 6.7 tall and 230lbs so I guess Super Tenere would not be heavy :)
Zdravo Lazare. Dobrodosao i hvala na podršci. Pisaću na engleski da me ostali razumiju jer ipak ljidi čitaju ove komentare. My very first review on this channel was of my Vstrom DL1000. There is a very noticable difference between that bike and the smaller 650. It also feels a lot like three than the super Tenere. I loved my Vstrom, owned two, and would gladly ride it again. The newer ones also look fantastic with the yellow spoked wheels. Again, it's quite a difference in power between it and the 650. I've owned that twin engine once, on my sv650 and sold it within a week for being underpowered. After that I've owned three sv1000s which share the engine of the Vstrom. The Vstrom also sells quite easily, and doesn't sit on the market as long. I say give it a shot and ride both to compare. But for someone your size, anything less than a liter bike will not cut it. Good luck.
@@pegasusmotorcycletours hvala Nikola, I am going to check this weekend strom 1000 with 8k miles, 2016 model.
@@lazarsekulic2694 let me know of you need a second opinion. I'm happy to look at the ad and let you know if I see something interesting.
Hi you didn't mention the durability of handgrip heater. May I known your recommendation on how to preserve it as well ? Do you recommend to freely use power spray water on those control on the grip when you do car wash of your bike ?I appreciate your review a lot simply because maybe you're on same height and we almost have same thought on it. Thanks
Thanks for watching and for your question. Washing your bike by hand should not be a problem. Avoid strong pressure washing like at the carwash. The heated grips require no maintenance but I would avoid directing water on the hand controls. I wash my bikes with a bucket and sponge. Cheers.
@Pegasus Motorcycle Tours & Consulting thank you so much for the kind response. Mine is only 14000 km mileage yet the heater is worn out. I watch other review and the found out somewhere in 30000km mileage the cable got broken but he didn't mention as well the reason. . Anyway thanks again.
Great production and review! Hands down! Subscribed
Thanks so much for the support. Much appreciated. Happy new year!
Hi my friend, ,great review.
I have a 2017 super tenere.
I saw in your review that the front blinkers are on with a road light ,and not only when the signal is on. How can I do it ?
Thanks, Gabriel.
Hello. Thanks for watching. These are Baja Designs auxiliary desert lights.
I didn't mean the fog lights,
the question was the turn signals that are on constantly, while riding and not only when you need to signal
ST is the best motorcycle I ever owned.
Thanks for watching. Glad you found your time well invested. Cheers. Nik
The pipe is exhausting straight out my man and not down like the original. I have the Akropovic which is by far the best.
People seem to swear by the brand. I just picked up a bmw k1300s woth a hann9gan bandito sidecar and it too has the Akrapovic. Stay tuned for that exciting reveal, it's one he'll of a build.
Very good rewiev and even better bike, I have one 2020 Always make me pleasure drive.
Greetings from Switzerland
Thank you and glad you lied the review. It was filmed in the Eastern Sierras of California where I provide a private tour for next time you're in the states and want to experience some of these places. More info is in the playlist as well as my website. Cheers.
Your Super Tenere looks to have the stock handguards. (As does mine.) Have you found a good upgrade. I tried Tusk's handguards which did not remotely fit my bike. Any suggestions?
Can't say I do unfortunately. I'd join the Facebook groups and ask there. Thanks for watching.
Do you have a review on 3rd generation V Strom 650?
I don't yet unfortunately. Thank you for asking
I’m considering buying a tenere 1200. Another video stated this bike is an 80/20. 80% on road and 20% off road. Do you agree or disagree with that assessment?
Id say in good hands the bike is more capable than merely 20 percent. Any bike can be 20 percent capable off road. It's all how comfortable you can get with a heavier bike, but one with great components. Fairly unintimidating wider dirt trails are fine. It's an ADV bike after all and yamaha knows how to make bikes.
What kind of protection bars do you have? I can't find such a good protection in the market. It's usually small.
T rex is the brand.
@@pegasusmotorcycletours thanks, will check them
For sure, if you want an Adventure Touring bike that does great mostly off road on sand, skipping stones, this is not your bike, neither is the BMW or KTM or Triumph or any other heavy weight. Go mid-weight or dual sport. If you want to crush highway miles to get to forest access roads looking for, say, dispersed camping sites or maybe hunting access areas, this is definitely your bike. This is a GREAT touring bike that will carry you and your gear to remote areas for less money and greater reliability. What you can do on a Beemer you can do on an S10. It's a matter of how much you want to spend..
I agree with everything you said with one caveat - the big ktm 1290 can actually do amazing things on rough terrain. More so than the rest in the class. I have a 790 now and am very impressed but have seen what a 1290 in good hands can do.
Good information, helping me make a decision on getting one of these or something else.
Glad to hear it. I'm leading a private tour to these lands I. The video this week for 4 days so when You're ready to explore, please feel free to reach out. Cheers. Nik
What suspension setting for preload do you use? Also what dampening setting do you use most of the time?
I have since sold the bike so I don't remember however I preferred riding with the stiffer suspension settings.
This bike is such a gem, people don’t know lol
I couldn;t agree more. Thanks for watching!
@@pegasusmotorcycletours thanks for producing!
This is one of the best video’s explaining this is a proper adv bike. I have a 2014 model with 90.000 km on it whit no problems. The thing with the super Tenere is that it is so good it is one of the most borring bike on the market. The power is perfect nobody needs more. The suspension is great the way it eats his miles it is so damn good it is just borring. If you take care a bit of you right hand you can do 20 km’s a liter. I think all bikes above 200 kilo are no good for loose sand and mud or you must be a pro driver or a verry strong men lifting this bully. It is the most underestimeted bike because the european market is ful of bmw’s but I think it is a far better and more reliabel bike dan de GS at the time of production 2010. The new Bmw from 2020 are way better but that is a ten year of more experience. Thanks for the video and have fun. Greetings from Hollanders drive safe.
Thanks for watching and participating in the conversation. I'm glad you found the review accurate. Another bike that similar and very well priced here is the Aprilia caponord. I'm looking for one and 8 grand can ge the rally version. So many bikes, so little time. Greetings from San Diego.
Just bought a 2013 with 10K miles.
Can't wait for the season to start.
Even on a short test in really cold temps, it feels like the right answer that hits the sweetspot for how I spend time on 2-wheels
Great video and appreciate the in depth review and information.
Thanks for watching. Glad you found it useful.
What a great review!! How do you compare the Super Ten versus the Moto Guzzi Stelvio? I have owned the Stelvio but sold it a few years ago, mainly because I found it too top-heavy (especially with a full gas tank).
Thanks for watching. I appreciate the question. I love Guzzi in general, find them to be great bang for the buck. I don't have as much experience with the stelvio but did ride one last week. Yes, fairly heavy, and no cruise control is a mystery. Why a tank so huge is also a mystery. I don't know it enough for conparison, but I've loved my california, and my current flying fortress. Both Yamaha and Guzzis big twin engines so they are fun to ride.
Incrivel avalicao e perpectiva sobre a T12. Tenho uma Tracer 900 e uma KLR 650 e estou considerando pegar uma ST no proximo ano. Sou de uma epoca que a tenere 600 fez parte dos meus sonhos porem sem a condicao de compra-la na epoca😂. Talvez eu pegue uma nova, ainda que vejo que ela seguira em 2024 sem nenhuma mudanca. Considero fazer viagens longas com ela…pretendo rodar no asfalto e eventualmente um off leve. Qualquer extra conselho, agradeceria. Abraco🤜🏼🤛🏼
Muito obrigado, no power fazer um error com el ST. Eu vi que estao vendendola de novo!
Hello from Spain, What suite (jacket and pants) do you using, seems very comfortable. Thanks!
Hello. Please take a look at my channel playlist for my re new of the Sedici Alexi combo.
@@pegasusmotorcycletours Thanks!
Pozdrav, pogledao sam tvoju recenziju Yamaha STa i moram priznati da mi se svidjela jer je iskrena. Mislio sam da sam medju rijetkima i da je moje misljenje previse subjektivno za ovaj motor, medjutim, izgleda da nisam jedini. Sve je tako kako si opisao, nista manje nista vise. Ja je vec vozim 5 godina i dalje je upoznajem. Razmisljao sam je zamjeniti ove godine za BMW GS ali kao sto rekoh tvoja iskrena recenzija me ubjedila da je jos ne rjesavam, barem za naredne 2 godine.
Lets switch on ENG😊
Hello, I looked at your review of the Yamaha STa and I have to admit that I liked it because it was honest. I thought that I was among the few and that my opinion was too subjective for this engine, however, it seems that I am not the only one. Everything is as you described, nothing less, nothing more. I've been driving it for 5 years and I'm still getting to know it. I thought about replacing it this year for a BMW GS, but as I said, your honest review convinced me not to decide on it yet, at least for the next 2 years.
Regards!
Zdravo. Hvala na podršci. Drago mi je da čujem da i nas narod prati moj rad. Trudim se da prevedem recenzije ali sve uzima puno vremena, nova beba stigle prije mjesec dana pa je malo sna i puno pelena. Zdravo bio pande pišemo. Nikola
What is ur take on the t rex crash bar? Can it take a fall without bending much?
They look very well made, and intelligently designed. They even have their own skid plate for the crash bars which is brilliant. The product looks very robust. Albeit I haven't crashed hard on these.
The zoom meeting part is just amazing 😂 being a software engineer myself it would be a lot easier for me 😅😅
Easier and more satisfying I dare say. Tha ks for watching.
It’s funny how all comments say how all go for the ktm bmw triumph Ducati big advs. personally I hate them, oddly I am lucky to be able to afford them but I wouldn’t touch them. I’d get a st10. Love the looks even though some call it dated.
Thanks for watching. The japs know how to make a motorcycle. I am, however, very impressed with my KTMs. I've had three so far and the performance is top in class. Im also impressed with the guzzi adv bike. What makes you dislike them?
Have you ran the Mitas M07 tires?
I have not. You recommend it?
@@pegasusmotorcycletours no.....when I go west to Colorado from Missouri, I'm trying some.
For the slippery top of the cases, you know those small glue on plastic door handle stoppers? Yea get a pack of those and place 6/8 of em on the top. Worked like a charm for me and theyr practically invisible.
Thanks so much for the tip. You don't get dirt collecting around the edges?
@@pegasusmotorcycletours i do, but they dont collect on the glue, more so on the hot "plastic" material... Also another good one (that works better than door knob stoppers) is that clear tape that comes with sticker kits and other stuff allike. Maybe even stuff like tank grips wouldnt be bad.
Man, I'd almost forgotten about Yam's T12.
Great motorcycle that's easy to stay off the radar. What do you ride now?
Anyway, what is height.. tnx
33-34 inches
I have riding pegs on my TeRex crash bars.
Great for long rides no doubt
Great video. I own a 14 super 10. 15k miles.
Thank you. I parted with it and am missing it already. Definitely a gem and hell of a bargain.
one gallon means 3.8 liters at 40 miles i.e. 60 km... so at 60 miles i.e. 100 km it would consume about 1.5 gallons i.e. 5.7 liters... I say that for a 1200 cc engine it is very good consumption... on the highway at 95-100 miles the consumption of my motorcycle was 1.6 gallons... so personally I say it's more than ok...
Perhaps it's my own personal annoyance with having to visit the gas station literally every day to fill my vehicles. For that time saving it's been nice owning an electric motorcycle. My home bfr1200 also has a smaller gas tank than it's 800 predecessor which is and annoyance. Thanks for watching
Brilliant bike great video thanks 👍
Thanks for watching. Cheers
phenomenal review thanx
Thanks for watching. Nik
2014Vstrom 1000 or 2012 S10?
Vatrom is lighter and I have a huge personal affection toward that bike having had 2 sp far, and four SV 1000s which share that awesome engine.
@@pegasusmotorcycletours sounds good
That’s what I’m leaning towards, especially at the price you can get them for. Awesome channel btw, very thorough and detailed reviews. You’re like Ian from Big Rock Moto in that way
@@mindful_moto Thanks for that kind complement. Glad you find my review worth watching. Cheers. Nik
Great review. Thanks!
Thanks for watching. Appreciate the support.
Great film
But the super Ténéré can do very more
I make the Alps in France with the machine
My son with the 700 Ténéré
We had to go to a very long part of the pist from red bull downhill and this was the hardest part for my big lady
I think is not the bike
Is the rider that has to control it.
I make some hard enduro ride and I never feel unsafe
Sorry for error's in the text
Greetings from Germany
Pascal
I agree with you that in every case it's not the bike but the rider. More so with bigger bikes like this. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to participate in the conversation. I'm glad you found the review worth your time. Greetings from California and happy New Year
110BHP & 82ft lbs Torque, 270 degree crank, twin spark plugs per cylinder, 1199cc engine, 261kgs in weight. Yamaha stopped production of this motorcycle in 2020 in the european market due to not making the engine EURO 5 emissions efficient.
Are you in the EU? I am contemplating a purchase of a 6 Mile 2014.
Zdravím výborné video nešlo by dát České titulky moc děkuji 👍🙏🙏🙏👏👏👏
Thanks for watching. I'm trying to translate.my.reviews in the languages I speak but it will take some time
I appreciate hearing from you. Greetings from California
Great review
Thank you Paul. Stay tuned for this weekend when I release a review of a $150,000 Harley Davidson knucklehead from 1939
With Motoz Adventure tires you can dig thru the sand on this beast. And it can do some wanna-be-extreme thing, it's always a pilot, not a motorcycle. Mine 2019 has 39000km, I did tough terrains on it, bulletproof.
I do agree there, the rider is the most significant determining factor as to what the bike can do. Thanks for watching.
I love my 2018 ST!!
I see them back in the line for 2023? What's going on?
If bmw gs1250 sells like hot cake on the ADV MARKET then why SUPER TENERE 1200 is too big? I don't see an answer to this question.
That's a valid point. I think BMW has the marketing side covered, out of the GS ownership they have made a global community. But I do t think the most serious ADV tourers aiming for a RTW trip would opt out for either of these. There always are exceptions.
Extend the pipe on the aftermarket one it would still be lighter
Thanks for that tip - What exactly do you mean by extending the pipe? You are talking about the actual muffler or the baffle.
@@pegasusmotorcycletours the pipe between the motor and the muffler it would move the muffler back or you could add a piece at the tip that turn the exhaust gas just enough to not melt anything.
@@barendfourie6687 thanks for clarifying. That makes sense.
Your wrong about the power comparison with the gs
Specs don't lie. More torque more HP by about ten.
Where is the context of your reply simpleton ?
people commute with bikes in California
that’s part of the reason why i’m selling my Honda ST1300 it’s over 730 lbs completely overkill for everyday riding
That does sound like a lot from a sport tourer. I ride the Honda vfr1200f and its quite agile with the three piece luggage. I've review many bikes in that category such as the Kawasaki concours.
Wet weight 2015 Tenere....575 lbs
Wet weight 2015 BMW GSA....573 lbs
Interesting. Those older Tens can be picked up for cheap nowadays. 7grand will do it.
For every day transportation, work commute, weekend riding,KLR or Super T?????
The ST has all the bells and whistles and is a bigger, heavier, smoother, more powerful bike.
Thank you
@@josemanrique458 for commuting, the ST has larger side cases although not by much. Neither bikes can fit a helmet inside the success. I say that cause i commute 60 miles to the office and have a vfr1200 and I use one sidecar for my helmet, the other form my chaps cause it's cold, and the top case is where my backpack and jacket and vests go. So i walk in without any gear and it's nice.