Excellent video. And very good tip about the caliper pins. One with flat surfaces and the other completely round. This video made it very clear how the pins come out and the importance of not mixing them up.
Absolutely excellent video. And now I have to go pull all four wheels on my Honda CRV, pull the calipers, and pull out the pins just to clean and lube them. But it's the right thing to do.. Again, this is an excellent video. You got right to the point. No babbling. No extraneous BS. You just showed what need to be done and you did it. Absolutely perfect.
We just did it use the proper pin, grease. Thank you for your video. Saved us a lot of money. Our brakes were dragging for a while had no idea what it was too. I saw your video.
Your 100% right. I recently pulled apart my front and rear brakes on my used RAV4..... and same deal, looks like the last guy that worked on the brakes just slapped pads on and threw the wheels back on. I removed slider pins, used the correct rubber grease sold by Toyota for the sliders/boots, removed the retainer clips, de-rusted and now the pads and sliders are all moving freely. Unfortunately, in the flat rate world, the only way to get a proper job is to do it yourself.
wow, what a great overview. Our calipers seize up over winter in Cumbria, northern England every year but garages are too lazy to clean pins, they just replace the whole caliper and charge a fortune. This is so generous of you. good luck and good health,
One of my slide pins were siezed. Had to beat it out with a pry bar and hammer. Then spay a bunch of wd40 inside it and work the pin in and out till all the dirt and old grease was gone. Then put in new grease. Good to go.
Thank you for posting this video. There are way too many videos posted by individuals and companies that manufacture greases, which provide incorrect information.
100% Silicone paste is the only thing I'll use anymore! I used Silglyde forever until I used them on those Honda's pins with the rubber bushings. Made them swell and had to replace the bushings a few years later.
@@geologic740 Yep, they were hard as a brick last time I used Silglyde. One was seized up from the rubber bushings being swollen. Caused all kinds of noise. Went to that 3m silicone after that and haven't looked back since.
@@pughconsulting I thought Sil-Glyde was silicon based. I did have a pin frozen on my mazda this summer when I was changing the brakes. I had to use an open end wrench and a 4 pound hammer to pound the pin out. I am pretty sure I used Sil-Glyde about 3 years ago on those pins. I didn't think and put the bracket with the rubber in my parts washer and the rubber boot got twice its size!
@@toddac61 It is but the 3m is 100% silicone paste. Not sure how much silicone is in silglyde. I've used the 3m on several brake jobs since and it's good stuff. Almost gone through an entire bottle and that's a lot of brake jobs. I'll never use anything else on pins. As for the back of the brake pads, I'm using Honda's moly paste. That stuff is plain awesome as well. I quit lubing brake pad "ears" since it just gums up from dirt anyway.
I saw in another video that the rubber sleeve on the lower pin is there as an anti-rattle measure! And that it swells up and causes the pin to stick over time. And that there were no complaints of rattle by customers after the rubber sleeve was discarded!....
In general, they only swell up if the wrong lubricant is used on them. For the record, I don't recommend discarding any part of the brake system. Thanks for the input!
Not talking about the BOOTS. The rubber sleeve / bushing that fits on the lower slide pin. I'm wondering, as that rubber sleeve wears down /deteriorates if it wouldn't cause some binding.
As much as it's easy to put things back the way you found them, it relies on the assumption that the last guy put them in correctly. Dealer service manuals should help.
I have a question that I can't find an answer to. Why are the top and bottom pins different? I don't see any difference in the slide tubes, just the pins. And as you say, sometimes they are reversed at the factory. What's the engineering reason behind the slight differences? Also, on our Honda Odyssey 2003, there is space for the little rubber seal on one of the pins, but the seal's not there. From what I've read it's an anti-rattle piece, but not important if you have it on or not. Even searching Honda for parts, shows a difference between the upper and lower pin, but without explanation for the two slide pins. It feels like on off our pins doesn't seat the same, and I wonder if that little rubber gasket is stuck inside one of the tubes? I'll check it with a pick. If anyone is curious what is the correct order is, you can can to a Honda parts site, and the caliper detail shows the different pins and proper location. Just look for the groove on one of the pins. Thanks for the great video.
Dave, thanks for the tips. I always do them one at a time but I don't recall the manual on mitchel saying they were different. I will have to check and then recheck the brake job I just accomplished on both my Hondas. Thanks for the info and you and your family have a Merry Christmas and a happy and safe new year. ❤️
You generally will not find it in Honda service info under brake pad/rotor replacement, you have to look under caliper overhaul to find this type of info (don't tell anybody I told you!). Thanks for the comment Arthur!
And regular old grease can react to some rubbers that are used on slide pins and can cause them to seize up, but hey you do whatever you like. We used to watch black and white TVs too.....
Super Lube is good stuff, I've been using it on Honda and Toyota. No problems with Super Lube or 3M. I would like to test and find out which one lasts longer, just do not have the time.
I've seen countless of times those rubber sleeves on the pins get stuck or swell up and cause issues, I always take em out and buy regular pins, lube them up, clean and lubricate everything and never had any issues
Even if you do them one at a time, there is no guarantee they will be correct - the person who did it before you may have mixed them up. The only certain way is to follow OEM documentation.
I also only use silicone paste on the caliper pins. The rest of the parts get cleaned and assembled dry, just as they came from the factory. If there's rust under the brake pad caliper bracket clips I take that down to bare clean metal and then give it a few coats of rust resistant black paint. No lube anywhere but the slider pins.
Always use caliper grease on metal to metal contact points for proper brake overhauls. The pads slide along the clip surfaces and the grease keeps them quiet.
That is the one thing I noticed after watching many vids on doing brake jobs. If you put lube under the bracket clips ( or not) and some vids put a little dab on the brake pad tips where it slides. I do the "dry" method as you have suggested and I use silicone paste on the pins after throughly cleaning the pins and the holes. I still do all my own auto servicing at age 68 but the day is coming when I will have to "bow out" as the floor is getting further away as I age and when I'm on it, getting up takes much longet too! But..... I still enjoy it.......- just takes longer.
hi may I ask do you know how the pin for honda crv caliper grease pin... in your video you mention mix up 2 pin lower and upper.. is there anyway I can find out where pin go for passenger or driver ! thanks sir
Pins Bottom flat sides 2002 honda accord 3.0l v6 sedan Looks like that in the manual Top much more boingyness Bottom less movement Both cleaned regreased new rubber boots Top much more springyness Botton slotted doesnt move as much Normal ? Awesome video
i was doing a brake and rotor job on my 08 element. the boots in the rear were torn before i got there. my new package came with enough booths for 2 brakes and it came with 2 slide pin bushings. which pin gets the bushing? a or b?
I have a 2008 Honda Civic LX sedan automatic. There is a caliper slide pin on both sides with a black bushing tip. My question: Does the pin with the black bushing tip go on the top or bottom? I had very premature brake wear and I'm wondering if the pins were installed in the incorrect spot.
On those Civics, there should be a pin with flat sides (pin A), they go in the bottom position. Pin B will usually be smooth all the way around and sometimes have a rubber bushing at the end and it goes in the top position on that generation Civic. It is the same for front and rear.
I had no idea mixing them up would be an issue. The pins on my car looks very much identical with no difference. Since lately I've been noticing alittle vibration braking at speeds above 60. I check the rotors but they arent warped. Ran my fingers on them and felt no groove at all, so today I'll get to work n lube the slide pins maybe change brake pads. Thanks big dog 🐕
Great educational video👍 Any way you can tell which one is A or B if the sliding pins get mixed up from the factory or if someone else did a brake job and mix them up? Thx.
Honda does not do it one certain way, even on the same year and model so there is no easy way to tell unless you already know that car or look at service info for that make/model/trim level. This is why I always recommend doing them one at a time. Thanks for the comment!
So I have a 2005 Accord; got front pads with rotors resurfaced. But now been noticing when I slightly push the brake I hear a grinding side on the left side a bit, don’t know if it’s cut wrong or if it’s warped. But I took it back to the shop. They didn’t see anything, re-grease the bolts the noise went away for a bit and now it’s back again. What could this be? I’m thinking of just replacing the rotor itself
I wish you would have shown how the slide pin with the flat sides fits in the caliper. If only 2-3 sides are flat there must be a specific way in which they go in.
Well it figures. I just changed my brakes front and rear on my CRV last weekend and now I'm wondering if I mixed these up. Pretty sure I did them one at a time....I think.
Hey how’s it going big dog one question unfortunately I was the one that took both pins out and I don’t know which one goes where I do have one of the pins with the rubber it’s an 06 odyssey is there anyway you can help me
For really bad ones, I use a small nylon pipe brush (that fits inside) and lots of brake cleaner and then dry with compressed air. For normal ones I just spray brake cleaner inside and dry it with compressed air.
Hey, your videos are very helpful. I just did my brakes. One of my caliper pin boots has a tiny hole and it squeezed out some silicone paste. Should I replace the boot or just leave it?
If it is 100% silicone paste then it is probably ok, the 3M silicone paste I use says it is dielectric grease. Unfortunately I can't wee what you are using so I can't say for certain. Thanks for the comment!
Generally, you don't need to bleed the brakes when doing a standard brake job unless you opened up the system. If I need to bleed the system I will do all 4.
I replaced the pads on my moms 2004 civic but the metal guide pin on one side was on top and the other in the bottom. Would you know which is the correct one?
If we mixed them up on accident like I did. And used wrong grease. What can I do to fix it? How can I find the correct order? Mine are seised and my brakes make scraping noise after stop and make weird noise when braking too. Please help. I have 01 civic ex sedan
Either clean the caliper brake bores, and pins, or if they are ruined, you will have to replace the caliper brackets, and new pins with replacement rubber kit.
Thank you very much. In my country they do not sell this type of lubricante (the silicon nor the ceramic) . Would it be okay if I put the grease they put on CV Axels? Thanks for answering.
Great video tips on brakes, thanks Big Dog! A shop resurfaced my rotors and put new pads. But now I get a creaking noise while pressing the brakes. Could it be the shop forgot to regrease my caliper guide pins?
Absolutely. They didn't forget. They either are in a hurry, and do not care , or they were never trained in proper brake caliper glide pin overhaul. That is the reason why he made this video. Happens every day at shops everywhere.
Sometimes they are sold separately depending on model and other times they are sold as part of a kit. Honda usually wants to sell them as part of a kit. Thanks for the comment!
@Big Dog50001 Automotive at 5:13 you said that you cleaned out the bores for the caliper slide pins. How did you do that? And how do get the rotors off if they are rusted to the hub?
Tapping around the rotor with a hammer usually knocks them loose (they also makes tools to take them off too). I usually clean the bores by spraying brake cleaner inside the bores, sometimes need to use a pipe type cleaning rod in addition to brake cleaner too. Rusted ones can sometimes be cleaned out with sandpaper and a dremel like tool to get the rust out, otherwise they would have to be replaced.
@@BigDog50001 I use a gun bore cleaning cylindrical wire brush attached to a drill to clean out the bracket bores , flushing generously with brake cleaner
can you tell me which side pin goes where i got Honda CRV 2004 and noticed my pins are mixed up there are different one of them is round and smooth the other pin is with three lengthways flats on it , i was told every CRV model have them in different position depend on the year , also some of the rear aftermarket pins in the package they are with the tree flats ( mine were one flat and one circle pin ) i hope that makes sense and you can help me thanks !
Yes, they can be different depending on year, trim level and brake manufacturer (Honda uses several OEM manufacturers). Don't just go by what I say, always double check but here is some info: 2004 CR-V *FRONT* calipers: Top Pin (A) should have flat sides Bottom Pin (B) should be smooth (and I believe they have a rubber bushing on end). 2004 CR-V *REAR* calipers: Top Pin (A) should have flat sides Bottom Pin (B) should be smooth.
Hi there I am new to DIY.. tried doing the lubrication of pins, but took out both pins on both front wheels at same time without keeping track. My question is on one car, are these pins are installed the same way on all the 4 wheels. I can easily pull out the rear wheel ones to see how they are put in the rear and then make sure the front ones align the same way. You help will be appreciated. TYIA
Those slide pins aren’t what allow the brake pads to move it’s the piston inside the caliper that extends when you put your foot on the brake pedal. Those bolts just go through the caliper frame , And the only time those slide pins may move is with any torsion or vibration that may affect the caliper/pads from being perfectly parallel to the rotor
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Excellent video. And very good tip about the caliper pins. One with flat surfaces and the other completely round. This video made it very clear how the pins come out and the importance of not mixing them up.
Absolutely excellent video. And now I have to go pull all four wheels on my Honda CRV, pull the calipers, and pull out the pins just to clean and lube them. But it's the right thing to do..
Again, this is an excellent video. You got right to the point. No babbling. No extraneous BS. You just showed what need to be done and you did it. Absolutely perfect.
We just did it use the proper pin, grease. Thank you for your video. Saved us a lot of money. Our brakes were dragging for a while had no idea what it was too. I saw your video.
Your 100% right. I recently pulled apart my front and rear brakes on my used RAV4..... and same deal, looks like the last guy that worked on the brakes just slapped pads on and threw the wheels back on. I removed slider pins, used the correct rubber grease sold by Toyota for the sliders/boots, removed the retainer clips, de-rusted and now the pads and sliders are all moving freely. Unfortunately, in the flat rate world, the only way to get a proper job is to do it yourself.
Thanks for the input!
wow, what a great overview. Our calipers seize up over winter in Cumbria, northern England every year but garages are too lazy to clean pins, they just replace the whole caliper and charge a fortune. This is so generous of you. good luck and good health,
Glad it helped, thanks for the comment!
Sounds like some Australian mechanics have moved there. 👍
Great advice for anyone doing brakes to make sure and lube the slid pins.
Ha ha... Jim is the brake master.
Thanks for stopping by Jim!
One of my slide pins were siezed. Had to beat it out with a pry bar and hammer. Then spay a bunch of wd40 inside it and work the pin in and out till all the dirt and old grease was gone. Then put in new grease. Good to go.
Thank you for posting this video. There are way too many videos posted by individuals and companies that manufacture greases, which provide incorrect information.
God bless brother, I wish all mechanics worked like you.
Thank you, I appreciate the comment!
Great tips on slide pins will definitely help somebody looking for help on there Honda's
Thanks for the input Antonio!
Thanks Big Dog great video. I used Sil-Glyde by AGS to grease caliper pins and clips. Great product and it doesn’t harden.
I don't use it but I hear good things about Sil-Glyde. Thanks for the comment!
Great video iam dealing with this issue ordered parts and the specific lubricant for the pins
100% Silicone paste is the only thing I'll use anymore! I used Silglyde forever until I used them on those Honda's pins with the rubber bushings. Made them swell and had to replace the bushings a few years later.
Thanks for the input!
@@geologic740 Yep, they were hard as a brick last time I used Silglyde. One was seized up from the rubber bushings being swollen. Caused all kinds of noise. Went to that 3m silicone after that and haven't looked back since.
Same with me with silglyde. The pin with the bushing came out but there was no way it was going to go back in.
@@pughconsulting I thought Sil-Glyde was silicon based. I did have a pin frozen on my mazda this summer when I was changing the brakes. I had to use an open end wrench and a 4 pound hammer to pound the pin out. I am pretty sure I used Sil-Glyde about 3 years ago on those pins. I didn't think and put the bracket with the rubber in my parts washer and the rubber boot got twice its size!
@@toddac61 It is but the 3m is 100% silicone paste. Not sure how much silicone is in silglyde. I've used the 3m on several brake jobs since and it's good stuff. Almost gone through an entire bottle and that's a lot of brake jobs. I'll never use anything else on pins. As for the back of the brake pads, I'm using Honda's moly paste. That stuff is plain awesome as well. I quit lubing brake pad "ears" since it just gums up from dirt anyway.
Thank you so much Big Dog. Great video as always. So informative and precise.
Much appreciated!
I saw in another video that the rubber sleeve on the lower pin is there as an anti-rattle measure! And that it swells up and causes the pin to stick over time. And that there were no complaints of rattle by customers after the rubber sleeve was discarded!....
In general, they only swell up if the wrong lubricant is used on them. For the record, I don't recommend discarding any part of the brake system. Thanks for the input!
You can throw the boot away, but a year or so down the road the glide pins will seize up once all the dirt and road grime gets inside the bore hole...
Not talking about the BOOTS. The rubber sleeve / bushing that fits on the lower slide pin. I'm wondering, as that rubber sleeve wears down /deteriorates if it wouldn't cause some binding.
Rubber ring?
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Often found on the lower caliper pin. I’ve heard it’s an anti rattle thing.
Does anyone know how to determine which is which if they've already possibly been mixed up?
As much as it's easy to put things back the way you found them, it relies on the assumption that the last guy put them in correctly. Dealer service manuals should help.
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So much good info in your videos esp for us honda folks
I have a question that I can't find an answer to. Why are the top and bottom pins different?
I don't see any difference in the slide tubes, just the pins. And as you say, sometimes they are reversed at the factory. What's the engineering reason behind the slight differences? Also, on our Honda Odyssey 2003, there is space for the little rubber seal on one of the pins, but the seal's not there.
From what I've read it's an anti-rattle piece, but not important if you have it on or not. Even searching Honda for parts, shows a difference between the upper and lower pin, but without explanation for the two slide pins.
It feels like on off our pins doesn't seat the same, and I wonder if that little rubber gasket is stuck inside one of the tubes? I'll check it with a pick. If anyone is curious what is the correct order is, you can can to a Honda parts site, and the caliper detail shows the different pins and proper location. Just look for the groove on one of the pins.
Thanks for the great video.
Why didn't you show how to clean out the bores for the caliper pins?
Dave, thanks for the tips. I always do them one at a time but I don't recall the manual on mitchel saying they were different. I will have to check and then recheck the brake job I just accomplished on both my Hondas. Thanks for the info and you and your family have a Merry Christmas and a happy and safe new year. ❤️
You generally will not find it in Honda service info under brake pad/rotor replacement, you have to look under caliper overhaul to find this type of info (don't tell anybody I told you!). Thanks for the comment Arthur!
@@BigDog50001 OK Dave i'll put it in the VAULT. Enjoy you know what 👍
Yeah that's new information must know it all mechanics don't even know that
The 3m silicone paste has been discontinued. Gonna go with sil glyde. Seems to be a good one
We didnt even have silicone grease for calipers 40 years ago. Guess what we used? We used some regular old grease! It worked just fine!
And regular old grease can react to some rubbers that are used on slide pins and can cause them to seize up, but hey you do whatever you like. We used to watch black and white TVs too.....
Excellent explanation. This was a Big Help to me.
SuperLube make a good silicone brake grease with PTFE. Works well in my limited experience.
I have not used that stuff. I just don't feel comfortable using anything but 100% silicone on the pins. Thanks for the input!
Super Lube is good stuff, I've been using it on Honda and Toyota. No problems with Super Lube or 3M.
I would like to test and find out which one lasts longer, just do not have the time.
Very well presented. Learned a lot.
Thanks!
I appreciate the comment, thank you!
You rock. Not too much info over kill.
Thanks!
I've seen countless of times those rubber sleeves on the pins get stuck or swell up and cause issues, I always take em out and buy regular pins, lube them up, clean and lubricate everything and never had any issues
Will i have any problems if i remove the rubber sleeve???
@@1957346 Yes, water and dirt will get inside and the pin will seize up, thus causing our brakes to seize.
@@simonbussey7530 he meant the small rubber sleeve on the pins, not the boot. No, you won't have any issues. I removed mine and they work fine
how about the front pins? is it the same with the rear? the bottom pin has a edge and the upper part has a round smooth shape.
Although not 100% necessary, the Honda Urea Grease is great stuff.
It is good stuff, more for clutch pivot points and mainshaft splines.
I can't seem to find any 3m silicone paste anywhere
Even if you do them one at a time, there is no guarantee they will be correct - the person who did it before you may have mixed them up. The only certain way is to follow OEM documentation.
True, they have even been installed wrong at the factory.
i have a 02 honda civic 1.7 witch slider pin with the anti-rattle device/ rubber piece go on top or bottom
I also only use silicone paste on the caliper pins. The rest of the parts get cleaned and assembled dry, just as they came from the factory. If there's rust under the brake pad caliper bracket clips I take that down to bare clean metal and then give it a few coats of rust resistant black paint. No lube anywhere but the slider pins.
Thanks for the input!
dry is good if you have brakes with the fancy Spring clips.
Always use caliper grease on metal to metal contact points for proper brake overhauls. The pads slide along the clip surfaces and the grease keeps them quiet.
That is the one thing I noticed after watching many vids on doing brake jobs. If you put lube under the bracket clips ( or not) and some vids put a little dab on the brake pad tips where it slides. I do the "dry" method as you have suggested and I use silicone paste on the pins after throughly cleaning the pins and the holes. I still do all my own auto servicing at age 68 but the day is coming when I will have to "bow out" as the floor is getting further away as I age and when I'm on it, getting up takes much longet too! But..... I still enjoy it.......- just takes longer.
Hey, I broke loose thread locker on the slide pin. Do I need to thread-lock the slide pin when reinstated the pin? Thanks
I just did my rear pads and rotors (first ever brake job). Would brake grease (small packet from auto parts store) work for the pins?
hi may I ask do you know how the pin for honda crv caliper grease pin... in your video you mention mix up 2 pin lower and upper.. is there anyway I can find out where pin go for passenger or driver ! thanks sir
Pins
Bottom flat sides 2002 honda accord 3.0l v6 sedan
Looks like that in the manual
Top much more boingyness
Bottom less movement
Both cleaned regreased new rubber boots
Top much more springyness
Botton slotted doesnt move as much
Normal ?
Awesome video
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i was doing a brake and rotor job on my 08 element. the boots in the rear were torn before i got there. my new package came with enough booths for 2 brakes and it came with 2 slide pin bushings. which pin gets the bushing? a or b?
Ok so instead of not showing, which side do the pins go in? Bolt without the rubber boot goes on the bottom or top?
Every model is different, which is why I didn't say which way to do it. I'm pretty sure I said that in the video.
I have a 2008 Honda Civic LX sedan automatic. There is a caliper slide pin on both sides with a black bushing tip. My question: Does the pin with the black bushing tip go on the top or bottom? I had very premature brake wear and I'm wondering if the pins were installed in the incorrect spot.
On those Civics, there should be a pin with flat sides (pin A), they go in the bottom position. Pin B will usually be smooth all the way around and sometimes have a rubber bushing at the end and it goes in the top position on that generation Civic. It is the same for front and rear.
@@BigDog50001 Thanks! I have drum brakes on my rear. Are there guide pins on drum brake systems with shoes?
@@joehumeas7196 No, guide pins are for pads only.....Jim
So is the pin with flats pin a on bottom or b on top???
I had no idea mixing them up would be an issue. The pins on my car looks very much identical with no difference. Since lately I've been noticing alittle vibration braking at speeds above 60. I check the rotors but they arent warped. Ran my fingers on them and felt no groove at all, so today I'll get to work n lube the slide pins maybe change brake pads. Thanks big dog 🐕
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Did you ever fix your problem? I’m having the same issue. Shaking at high speeds when braking
Nobody ever explains how to install them with the nut
Great educational video👍 Any way you can tell which one is A or B if the sliding pins get mixed up from the factory or if someone else did a brake job and mix them up? Thx.
Honda does not do it one certain way, even on the same year and model so there is no easy way to tell unless you already know that car or look at service info for that make/model/trim level. This is why I always recommend doing them one at a time. Thanks for the comment!
So how do you know they haven't already been mixed up when you service the brakes?
Your videos are usually very thorough but you completely skipped installing the new boot which I'm stuck on. Good tip about pin A and B though.
Is the Civic similar?
Should you not clean out the holes the pins go in?
Love your videos very informative
I appreciate the comment, thank you!
Thanks Big Dog for the nice video.
Looks like they used copper anti seize on the pins when they should have used silicone brake paste.
So I have a 2005 Accord; got front pads with rotors resurfaced. But now been noticing when I slightly push the brake I hear a grinding side on the left side a bit, don’t know if it’s cut wrong or if it’s warped. But I took it back to the shop. They didn’t see anything, re-grease the bolts the noise went away for a bit and now it’s back again. What could this be? I’m thinking of just replacing the rotor itself
Hard to say, I would have to see the work that was done.
I ended up just replacing the rotors; fixed the issue. Found the one causing the issue to be a bit warped.
Great tip! Thanks!
I wonder how do people replace the rubber sleeve on the bottom pin. They do not sell individually.
Typically you would buy a new pin or a caliper rebuild kit depending on what parts needed to be replaced.
I wish you would have shown how the slide pin with the flat sides fits in the caliper. If only 2-3 sides are flat there must be a specific way in which they go in.
They just slide in.
Why is there a flat?
Aftermarket both are the same.
Will there be issue?
Great video man
Well it figures. I just changed my brakes front and rear on my CRV last weekend and now I'm wondering if I mixed these up. Pretty sure I did them one at a time....I think.
Uh oh, hopefully you didn't!
Thanks great video!
Thanks for The detail.....have a nice holiday.....Jim
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Hey how’s it going big dog one question unfortunately I was the one that took both pins out and I don’t know which one goes where I do have one of the pins with the rubber it’s an 06 odyssey is there anyway you can help me
great info. thank you
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You're a master.
Them slide pins are way to nasty to have even been looked at during that brake pad change
What's the best way to clean out the bores
For really bad ones, I use a small nylon pipe brush (that fits inside) and lots of brake cleaner and then dry with compressed air. For normal ones I just spray brake cleaner inside and dry it with compressed air.
Helpful for my application
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Great tips as always!
Thanks Mike!
I enjoyed that shit thoroughly!! Thank you!!
Hey, your videos are very helpful.
I just did my brakes. One of my caliper pin boots has a tiny hole and it squeezed out some silicone paste. Should I replace the boot or just leave it?
Replace the boot. Anything can get in and mess up the goop inside it.
Thanks for making this great video.
Is it acceptable to use dielectric grease to lubricate the brake caliper slide pins.
If it is 100% silicone paste then it is probably ok, the 3M silicone paste I use says it is dielectric grease. Unfortunately I can't wee what you are using so I can't say for certain. Thanks for the comment!
I'll say it again, not necessarily true. I always lube my pins up. It's been 38 years but finally I have a seized one.
What year honda accord is this ?
Nice presentation bro. One question if I change my front brake pads do I have to bleed 4 calipers or just front?
Generally, you don't need to bleed the brakes when doing a standard brake job unless you opened up the system. If I need to bleed the system I will do all 4.
Why one of the glide pins has a rubber bushing at the end?
Also does it go on top or bottom?
The lower pin has a rubber tip for corrosion seizing prevention it’s more likely to seize
Not always.
yeah, I'm wondering what the effect the rubber sleeve / tip will have as it wears out / deteriorates. Seems like it could gum up the slide motion.
Any chance you know which slide pin would be on the bottom ?
I had my calipers powder coated and want to double check the pins.
Thanks ! Nice video
Always take a photo whenever you disassemble everything. I've learned that lesson the hard way.
Rubber is always on the bottom
@@richardfabrizio8998 That's not true.
I replaced the pads on my moms 2004 civic but the metal guide pin on one side was on top and the other in the bottom. Would you know which is the correct one?
For those generation Civics, typically Pin "A" has grooves and is in the top position. Pin "B" is on the bottom and has a rubber bushing at the end.
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can i use rubber grease instead of a silicone paste?would that be okey?
No. That's the reason why he made this video. Use 100% silicone grease.
If we mixed them up on accident like I did. And used wrong grease. What can I do to fix it? How can I find the correct order? Mine are seised and my brakes make scraping noise after stop and make weird noise when braking too. Please help. I have 01 civic ex sedan
Either clean the caliper brake bores, and pins, or if they are ruined, you will have to replace the caliper brackets, and new pins with replacement rubber kit.
I assume orientation of pins is same for front or rear brakes, is that correct? Thanks.....Jim
No. Take photos when you disassemble , I've learned that the hard way.
My screw broke in pin B . How would I remove that and pin a keeps spinning. I'm new at working on cars.
Sorry, I would have to see what you did.
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Been using Mbil 1 red grease on those pins for 30 years. Lasts from brake job to brake job. Never ruins boots.
I teach what Honda recommends for them. Never ruins boots.
Grease does not ruin rubber boots. I also dont care what Honda says.@@BigDog50001
Thank you very much.
In my country they do not sell this type of lubricante (the silicon nor the ceramic) .
Would it be okay if I put the grease they put on CV Axels? Thanks for answering.
I wouldn't.
Dielectric grease would suffice if you can get it
Do all hondas have the same caliper?
No.
Great video tips on brakes, thanks Big Dog! A shop resurfaced my rotors and put new pads. But now I get a creaking noise while pressing the brakes. Could it be the shop forgot to regrease my caliper guide pins?
Absolutely. They didn't forget. They either are in a hurry, and do not care , or they were never trained in proper brake caliper glide pin overhaul. That is the reason why he made this video. Happens every day at shops everywhere.
How often does the caliper guide pins needs to be relubricated?
At least every time a brake job is done and sometimes during periodic brake inspections if they need it.
Depends on how young you are. If you have a lot of energy, and no back problems, go ahead and check the glide pins as yearly maintenance!
Thanks Big Dog. Does Honda or anyone sell those little pin bellow boots separately?
Sometimes they are sold separately depending on model and other times they are sold as part of a kit. Honda usually wants to sell them as part of a kit. Thanks for the comment!
Try your auto parts store or RockAuto
@Big Dog50001 Automotive at 5:13 you said that you cleaned out the bores for the caliper slide pins. How did you do that? And how do get the rotors off if they are rusted to the hub?
Tapping around the rotor with a hammer usually knocks them loose (they also makes tools to take them off too). I usually clean the bores by spraying brake cleaner inside the bores, sometimes need to use a pipe type cleaning rod in addition to brake cleaner too. Rusted ones can sometimes be cleaned out with sandpaper and a dremel like tool to get the rust out, otherwise they would have to be replaced.
Thank you, @Big Dog50001 Automotive.
@@BigDog50001 I use a gun bore cleaning cylindrical wire brush attached to a drill to clean out the bracket bores , flushing generously with brake cleaner
can you tell me which side pin goes where i got Honda CRV 2004 and noticed my pins are mixed up there are different one of them is round and smooth the other pin is with three lengthways flats on it , i was told every CRV model have them in different position depend on the year , also some of the rear aftermarket pins in the package they are with the tree flats ( mine were one flat and one circle pin ) i hope that makes sense and you can help me thanks !
Yes, they can be different depending on year, trim level and brake manufacturer (Honda uses several OEM manufacturers). Don't just go by what I say, always double check but here is some info:
2004 CR-V *FRONT* calipers:
Top Pin (A) should have flat sides
Bottom Pin (B) should be smooth (and I believe they have a rubber bushing on end).
2004 CR-V *REAR* calipers:
Top Pin (A) should have flat sides
Bottom Pin (B) should be smooth.
Also, if the *REAR* OEM Pin A has one flat side (which sounds correct), I would replace with same.
An example why we should do our own work. I do my two cars myself. don't trust another person, ever.
Do you bleed them?
Not as part of a normal brake job.
Hi there I am new to DIY.. tried doing the lubrication of pins, but took out both pins on both front wheels at same time without keeping track. My question is on one car, are these pins are installed the same way on all the 4 wheels. I can easily pull out the rear wheel ones to see how they are put in the rear and then make sure the front ones align the same way. You help will be appreciated. TYIA
No, not always.
No. Take photos when you take these apart.
Silicone paste is not good for slider pins. Niglube Rm is the best
Silicone is what Honda states to use right in the service info.
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Just for that I think I will go buy one of your coffee mugs lol!
@@BigDog50001 ha! Cool!
Those slide pins aren’t what allow the brake pads to move it’s the piston inside the caliper that extends when you put your foot on the brake pedal. Those bolts just go through the caliper frame , And the only time those slide pins may move is with any torsion or vibration that may affect the caliper/pads from being perfectly parallel to the rotor
Didn’t show the most important part, cleaning out and lubing up the pins
Can't please everybody. I have several brake job videos showing how to do it.
Ah, good to know the pins are not the same. Check!
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