You can't have Pink Floyd without Richard Wright....who funnily enough isn't even mentioned in this video and I guarantee you'll never see them live again. Wright was almost always underappreciated and left out.
Agreed. He, more than Roger and David, gave Pink Floyd their unique sound. The switch from Hammond organ to synthesizer, starting with Dark Side, was the beginning of his eclipse, though his keyboard work is still very prominent, and important, on that album and on Wish You Were Here. After that, he begins to fade into the background, and more's the pity. Part of the problem was the new, more pop-oriented format, featuring David's soaring solos above all, which no longer allowed much room for the softly nuanced harmonies of Rick's keys. He's still there on Great Gig and Shine On, but, especially in the latter, the music drags a bit.
@@terrencesclassicrockcorner I'm not hugely passionate about anything the band did after Meddle, to be honest, though most of the albums after it still do have some very good cuts, perhaps less so Animals and The Final Cut. After WYWH, Wright's work declined precipitously, however, and even David's lack of enthusiasm is audible in many places. And while I can understand their frustration at the situation, their do-nothing passivity over so long a period makes them just as guilty as Roger for the growing bad chemistry. Nothing David and Rick did after Roger left holds any interest for me. Their ersatz Floyd albums not only lack vigour and tension, they reveal just how necessary Roger was to the band. There is no force driving the material other than the Gilmour's flaccid ego. Roger, at least, knows how to direct his formidable ego out into the world, and his solo efforts, especially Amused to Death, display all the energy lacking in David's nostalgic, sentimental fake Floyd, even if they, too, fall short of the standards set by the classic Floyd catalog.
They wrote, recorded and performed their brilliant and enduring musical works long ago. It's done, and attempting to revive their past glory is pointless.
I’d argue it’s actually GOOD that the band is done. Often times, a band revival this late tarnishes the band’s image as a whole. Sometimes it’s better to just let it be as it was.
I actually agree with your statement. But unfortunately there are STILL individuals out there that believe they will reform again which will NEVER happen..
@@sunshinewildfire7087 Gilmour supports Ukraine / Nato/ USA , who over threw the elected Ukrainian gov. Water speaks out against Israel , who created an open air prison and oppress millions. Gilmour is a propagandist for the system or totally disconnected from facts and reality .
My take on it, for what it's worth, is that there was no member of Pink Floyd, post Syd Barret and prior to 'Dark Side of the Moon', who was the 'premier' member of the band. Pink Floyd operated as a unit pretty much up until 'Echoes'. 'Dark Side was definitely the opus of Roger Waters generally, but all the band had input, especially Dave Gilmour. It was the massive success of that album, that put Roger Waters in the driving seat, as his totally amazing lyrics and melodies were pivotal to its success. Waters continued with his creative brilliance over the next few albums, culminating in the incredible "The Wall", which is their magnum opus. Pink Floyd by then, had produced some of the most brilliant and unique music in rock history! Even though I like 'The Final Cut', it was almost completely a Roger Water's album, and the input from the other members was minimal. I think, like Paul McCartney, that Roger wanted Pink Floyd to be 'his band', with the other members as back-up men. This was never going to sit right with Dave Gilmour, who was producing great albums of his own, and the idea of dropping Pink Floyd at Roger's behest was anathema to him. The new Pink Floyd, was, let's face it, The Dave Gilmour Band in essence, but that's ok, because Dave Gilmour, along with Nick Mason and Richard Wright, could still put out great stuff, as could Roger Waters. It's a pity about all the drama and legal fights, but I loved the body of work from all of them!
I think you already go wrong in your comment with calling 'The Wall' THEIR magnum opus..... At least i know one person who will fully disagree with you on that and i don't think that i even have to mention his name? hence the main problem 'inside' the band Pink Floyd. Already during recordings of The Wall Richard Wright was kicked out by Waters because Rick didn't like the whole project at all and Waters took it all on a personal level... hence Waters thought (and he stil does) that in fact he was Pink Floyd...
Yes , since Rick died , Pink Floyd died for ever...Gimour already was not there at the beggining .. it was SYD's band...then became Roger Waters's Band with all his great project...Gilmour do not have the right to do so...even using Pink Floyd's name for helping UKRAINE ..THAT IS HIS BIGGEST MISTAKE...SHAME ON GILMOUR AND HIS WIFE !!!
@artvision, THANK YOU. David bows to his mean wife. HER son Charlie married a Ukrainian and she's Jewish so naturally she called Roger Anti-Semitic for his stance on Israel and the NATO (Zionist) proxy war in Ukraine. Zelensky is a Zio puppet pushing the Great Reset/Agenda 2030 global governance scheme as well as the Greater Israel Project. David sadly goes along with "The Machine" Roger is actually on a Ukrainian HIT LIST .
@@a.vandergaag5517or the truth .. Richard were sailing in med, doing absolutely nothing. Lazy bugger. I hate lazy people. Michael Kamen were light years better than this lazy person. We all know them.... glad and fair that he got kicked out.
Really no one in their right mind thinks or hopes Pink Floyd is ever gonna reunite or tour again (even without Waters). It would be great for them if they can come to peace with each other but that's all.
Gilmour and Mason do not constitute Pink Floyd. That's just a duo! Syd Barrett's long gone and now Richard Wright's long gone. God bless them. There can only possibly be Pink Floyd ever again if its David Gilmour, Roger Waters and Nick Mason.
Who’s fault it is? Doesn’t matter! Do you force two kids from the playground to live next to each other because that was their dream in 4th grade? Fact is, they were uniquely gifted and produced remarkably complex music that commands the senses to stir and the mind the wander. It was almost magical and while it lasted we were in awe. The winds of change have blown . But we’re left with a memory that never fades. Enjoy it, share it, introducing my kids to them has been a great experience. BTW there’s a cover band Australian Pink Floyd that is absolutely amazing in concert. Just saw them with my son. As close as you will get to seeing the real thing. I’ll definitely be going again. They were brilliantly close to the unmatched genius of PINK FLOYD
@@terrencesclassicrockcorner Bollocks. They all made the decision to continue without Syd, even on the night you mention. Rick even tells the anecdote of him deceiving a catatonic Syd and saying he was going out for cigarettes when he was actually leaving for a gig with the band. No, it was a collective decision and a necessary, though painful one. I'm getting sick and tired of all these aspersions people online are casting on Roger, who was the animating force of the band. In so doing, you internet bots are doing the work of the Establishment, which has been trying to assassinate Roger's character for decades. He's one of the few 60s peaceniks left to fight the good fight. And without him you wouldn't even have all that good Pink Floyd music you love so much.
@@chicklets4ever51 god you old hippies need to get over yourselves. Roger isn't "fighting the good fight" he's a rich, old boomer sellout trying to make more money by doing half assed reunion tours, not to mention he's a neo Nazi fascist. Your comment reeks of that self important attitude hippie boomers have because you think your decade of good-mediocre music was somehow this insane cultural revolution. The reality is it's just a meaningless little blip from a time that's being forgotten because it's no longer of any importance
Don't care who is wrong or right.Just want to hear Pink floyd live again.The music and lyrics area match not often heard. Roger , Dave and most importantly nic please bring it on
100% agreed….wherever, whenever and whatever the price I will be there when they will reunite….and they must do it for the millions of fins like me around the world
"There was once a band named Pink Floyd, there isn't anymore". (David Gilmour).... Why don't you, and the rest of the individuals like you accept the fact that it will NEVER occur, not in a cat in hell's chance... There's more chance of Rammstein starting off their next British leg tour at Chipping Sodbury Town Hall than PF reforming and doing a concert.
I love both their inputs on Pink Floyd's music, and I've seen them both live. Roger Waters is much more politically aware, as well as frustrated by it - not in the least because of his father's death in WW2 when he was really young. That is where his vitriol comes from, but he's easily intelligent enough to explain his reasons behind it too (and there's not a lot of people who can do that, sadly) David Gilmour is a truly phenomenal guitar player, and has successfully continued Pink Floyd after Roger left. And I'm sure he's a really nice and intelligent person too, from what I've seen and heard. But, David just doesn't have that same 'urge' to bring a message across in his music - lyrically it's far more 'docile'. Dreadful term, I know, but I can't think of a better one at the moment. David got fed up with Roger's constant hammering on about WW2 and political issues, and thát is something that still divides them to this day.
Politics is bullshit anyway, just a result of programming and brainwashing. Anytime, you are presented binary solutions to a complex problems, just realize you are a victim of propaganda.....There are more than two sides to any issue, wouldn't you agree?
Gilmour supports Ukraine / Nato/ USA , who over threw the elected Ukrainian gov. Water speaks out against Israel , who created an open air prison and oppress millions. Gilmour is totally disconnected from facts and reality. He is 100% a propagandist for the system or have zero clue .
@@omnipop4936 I love this band but this sounds like a Water's hit piece. To me, There is no Pink Floyd without both Waters and Gilmour. There is no Beatles without Paul and John, no Stones without Mick and Kieth.... The argument that the band is better because of one of them more than the other is silly. I think both Gilmour and Waters are spectacular. As far as inaccuracies, writing credits people speak of is a big one. Waters wrote tons of songs both music and lyrics. On the earlier albums (pre Darkside) they would often go off and write songs on their own an bring them back. Atom heat mother was mentioned in the thread as an album that Gilmour wrote. That isn't true. he wrote Fat old Sun (I adore the song). But he didn't just write the album. Waters wrote songs as did Wright. Where I find things to be most inaccurate is the depiction that Waters didn't write Dark Side, Wish you were here, The wall. Those were all concept albums and he was the one with the concept. He had the vision for these albums. Not only I he write songs for them but he Wass the reason this albums came into existence and lets be real, without them? We are likely not having this conversation because those are some of the most influential and spectacular albums ever. All of them were Water's visions. Gilmour's musical contribution and ability to take what might have been rough cuts and turn them into art is immeasurable and not remotely dismissed. Waters often created a skeleton and Gilmour gave it flesh, blood an movement. I think another important factor left out is the pressure they were under after the Wall. The expectation for another hit album weighed heavily on all of them but Waters in particular. This certainly took its toll on a tenuous relationship. Lastly, there is far more to each of these tiny battles between the parties. Waters has every right to be pissed that they are using the name and the music. It would be the same if after the Beatles up, Paul, Ringo and George wrote new music under that name and toured that way. It's not the Beatles anymore. Nor was it Pink Floyd anymore. For newer listeners, Waters is not even on the radar. His legacy and musical credit wave been diminished. Waters has made quite a few attempts to make amends and been instead, criticized. As an aside, people who think Gimour's solos stuff is better than Waters'? I cannot agree. Pros an Cons is spectacular. Radio Chaos is really good. Amused To death is excellent. I like Gilmour's solo stuff but it doesn't have the bite. Nor does Pink Floyd without Waters.
When Dark Side of the Moon was released I was just about to turn 16. I'm not going to say anything so overstated like it changed my life. I will say that I have derived more listening pleasure from that album than any other. It is, in my own personal subjective opinion, the best album ever produced. The idea that it can never be heard live again because of a disagreement is a shame. A disagreement, I would like to point out, that will be absolutely meaningless on either person's deathbed. People are as great and talented as they are because of who they are, not in spite of who they are. At least there are videos.
Your statement that “it won’t be heard live again” isn’t exactly true. There are some great tribute bands performing their music. I’m going to see a local (Wisconsin) outfit in November who are going to do all of DSOM. They did The Wall a couple of years back with full stage show - even with some of the original animation! It was amazing. Yeah, it’s not with any members of PF but I think we can compare this to how classical music is performed….definitely not with “original members”, but ultimately it’s the music that’s important, which will live on long after all of them have passed on.
At the moment it's impossible to feel empathy for the Palestinians, and want to argue for their human rights, and criticise the actions of the Israeli government, without being called antisemitic. Even though none of that is antisemitic in the slightest.
@@terrencesclassicrockcorner Idiot! Jews has nothing in Palestine to do. They got Birobidjan from Stalin in 1928, that's where they belpng, or rather on another planet.
That's a common tactic nowadays, if a person takes a different view the offended group just labels them racist, anti-Semitic, etc. that's easier than actually making a consise argument. And other people just repeat that without even knowing why he is SUPPOSEDLY anti-Semitic
Waters found himself playing solo, to a crowd of 1800 in the same city, that pink Floyd was playing to 36,000, he said it was eye opening! After the court settlement!
Whats Daves wife said about Roger was a bit of a madness..even if some of that stuff is true to go on record is just asking for legal trouble..i understand these gutys have more money then they could ever spend but i think they all need to see how people are really living and find a gratitude that ordinary people loved them enough to put them in such a fortunate position...these lads need to think on
I know Roger had issues etc but in this case I think that David is holding the grudge for far too long. It seems that Roger is more ready for cooperation than David. Also it looks like Polly wife of David is adding to this feud by her dislike of Roger. Man should be centered and not be influenced by others.
In my opinion, Mr Gilmour's grudge with Mr Waters is that Mr Waters sacked Richard Wright during The Wall recordings. He even slated the poor man after he died and I don't think Mr Gilmour's wife, or Mr Gilmour will ever forgive Mr Waters for that. When they did The Wall concert back in 1979 Pink Floyd lost a hell of a lot of money and the only musician who made any money during those concert's was none other than Richard Wright, because he was hired as a session musician. And that made Mr Waters a very bitter individual...
I'd say it's almost all Polly at this point. Polly despises Roger with a rabid passion due to his politics, and David has never really ever been a particularly strong personality, he just kind of rolls with whatever the people around him are doing. He essentially replaced Roger with a female Roger, both of whom are very dominant personalities who are strongly activist in their political beliefs.
Would be nice if these narrators actually knew their subject matter. The shot of Nick Mason playing the drums (3:12) was actually Gary Wallis. Nick played a traditional drum kit post Walters as he always had. Thought Gary should get some credit. He is an amazing musician.
I think we need to stop hoping for another reunion and just appreciate what the Floyd has done over the years. I think we’ll maybe, just maybe have a reconciliation between Roger and David at best.
I remember buying David Gilmour's debut solo album the day of its release. I was expecting so much more but then Gilmour was an ordinary songwriter, by his own admission, compared with Roger Waters, whose lyrics were inspirational and thought provoking. Pink Floyd members were all fine musicians but Barrett and Waters were the main creative force in the group.
I agree. Gilmour can't write to save his life, and his work without Waters is flaccid and lacks creative tension. Songs highlighting guitar solos get boring after a while.
LOL..and the Waters solo career has been a stellar flop with his miserable, self indulgent "my dads dead" psychosis. When it comes to Pink Floyd nobody cares who wrote the songs.Presley didn't write any, the drummer in Black Sabbath wrote most of theirs, so who remembers Ben Weisman when it comes to Presley and who remembers Bill Ward when it comes to Sabbath etc,etc. If the Gilmour Pink Floyd was playing in my city at the same time as Waters I'd go to the PINK FLOYD show to hear the man who SANG those songs and plays guitar like no other. In fact when Pink Floyd were touring in 1988-89 Waters complained that they filled stadiums where he was playing and 3 people & a dog turned up to his show. There are also 4-5 songs on Dark Side that he wrote lyrics for but the music was not his. He's a bitter, twisted & confused old man.
Be that as it may, most - if not all - of PF's songs wouldn't have the same emotional impact without Gilmour's playing. Comfortably Numb, Time, or Shine on... to name a few. Lyrics wouldn't be enough to make them what they are.
Maybe this feud isn’t quite as it seems, remember Gilmour played as a guest on Waters ‘Wall tour’. In the end we have the music they did produce, and can still enjoy listening to it now. Same with a number of great bands from that period who either split up or sadly passed away! The music outlives everything!
And the Waters Gilmour drama saga goes on ad infinitum. Legendary stuff from a legendary group who carved out a niche no one else came close to filling.
Such a boring 'feud', too, one that stinks legal subtext rather than the clash of philosophies. I was on David's side in 1985, but today, in 2023, I must admit that I side more with Roger's good faith. He aged much better than the others.
@@martinportelance138 Well said. I agreed. David's cantankerousness has turned me against him and made it harder for me to accept the limits of his playing (too heavy on pentatonics and diatonic harmonies, especially from DSOTM onwards), which worked well in the Floyd context, but which, without Roger, sound pretty dead to me.
Sadly, I have boycotted David due to his support of Ukraine. He should have left it alone. He's obviously a deep state humper. Roger takes a stand for peace, David and Nick feed the NATO war machine.
@@chicklets4ever51 Gilmour supports Ukraine / Nato/ USA , who over threw the elected Ukrainian gov. Water speaks out against Israel , who created an open air prison and oppress millions. Gilmour is a propagandist for the system or totally disconnected from facts and reality .
"The Pair have had disagreements throughout the groups career, from the early days of their debut album.....) David Gilmour wasn't in Pink Floyd when they made their first album....the guitarist was Syd Barrett.
with all that's been currently going on, and seeing all of roger's activism, i think the problem was more than just "band drama" and "creative differences"
As Jorge Luis Borges once said about the Falklands war between Argentina and the UK, Roger Waters and David Gilmour also look like "two bald men fighting for a comb".
You can't have Floyd without Gilmour, you can't have Floyd without Waters, you can't have Floyd without Wright, and you can't have Floyd without Mason. you can see when Waters had Floyd (The final cut) and when Gilmour had Floyd (Amlor and The division bell) it couldn't hold a candle to when they worked together. no matter what will happen Floyd will never be Floyd again without all of them
Sounds like the disagreement between me and my old friend my drummer, music is always best when the people truly get along together, if not, not a single note is played-silence....
I had listened to Pink Floyd, I had listened ( I still do ) to David Gilmour as an individual, I had listened to Roger Waters as an individual, I didn't know for a long time that they were/are in Pink Floyd, when I found out and that they have a beef found it a real shame
I used to be a big fan of Waters and saw him twice but I really don't think he would have had his career without the other members of Floyd. Gilmour, on the other hand, had the looks, the voice and the talent and would have succeeded regardless.
I’m a childhood friend of David and Syd And knew Roger briefly It is believed that Roger is responsible for Syd’s untimely demise into madness. Sparked on by Rogers emphatic feeding of the cause. One day hopefully this truth will be known, But I’m just an old man at the end of my life and I’ll take what I know with me. As for the guys in that band they made some amazing music. Just sad that it all fell apart.
IN A FEUD OF SUCH PUBLIC MAGNITUDE SO LONG STANDING THE TWO SHOULD DECIDE ON A LOCATION AND SELECT DUELING PISTOLS, WINNER TAKE ALL. HOWEVER, A MORE ADULT SOLUTION SHOULD BE TO ACCEPT ONE ANOTHER IF BOTH WILL SMOOTH OUT THEIR ROUGH EDGES THAT STARTED THE ABRASION. I'VE LATELY COME TO APPRECIATE THE INCREDIBLE LYRICAL DEPTH OF THE EARLY 70S ALBUMS.
In my opinion Dark Side of the Moon was a creative masterpiece to me it was the greatest Rock album of all time even against heavy hitters like Led Zeppelin lV, Jethro Tull Aqualung,The Who Tommy, Black Sabbath Paranoid and Deep Purple Machine Head and Montrose’s and Van Halen’s and. Boston’s first album to name a few along with Who’s next
Like a viewer below say No Rock Wright NO Pink Floyd! Sure Jon Carin is brilliant but he's not a founder member and Rick always added the perfect keyboard part for every Floyd song he played on!
I love Pink Floyd....but Roger Water's hard on for Putin has made me hate him to the point I wouldn't go see a reunion even if they had one. And I'm pretty sure Gilmour understands this and agrees we shouldn't. All those years of listening to the wall and feeling it was a real finger in the face of fascists and dictators....then Roger opens his mouth.....and it seconds all you can think is "not real". just like that.
Apart from the fact that Waters is a historical ignoramous when it comes to his love for Russia. Mind you he was in that group from the 70's called the CND. -As for Soviet funding of CND, it was proven in November 1991 that the KGB bankrolled the British Communist Party throughout the 1970s - the very period when (as Bruce Kent repeatedly acknowledged) only the support of the Communist Party and of the Quakers enabled CND to survive.’
A bit hypocritical, don't you think? Where was Gilmour when Iraq, Palestine, Yugoslavia etc. were being shaken to their core? Picking one conflict and blaming one country (Russia) isn't the way to go, especially when Great Britain is the most imperialistic country in the world, with colonies all over the place. Waters isn't a Putin fanboy, nor he is a fascist, he just isn't onesided, blaming Russia for everything. In '89 NATO signed that their borders won't involve Ukraine. Then, out of nowhere, they violate that agreement and the consequences are devastating. THAT is what Roger was talking about.
2 bald men fighting over a comb. PF ran out of creative steam in the 80s and their bassist left. In his arrogance he thought the band should disband, but the rest of the boys carried on a bit. But by this time they only really had their live performances of note. Funny though how RW wanted the band to end with his leaving, but was happy they had continued without Syd all those years before.
As someone who is Jewish and a believer in the right of the Jewish People to self determination in the land promised to them by God and Balfour, I can't morally listen to any thing by Waters. To me, Waters music is like listening to Nazi marching songs. That said, I admire Gilmour who has called Waters out for what he is. I despise Waters in the same way as I despise WW2 Nazis.
Waters is a difficult man but a brilliant visionary…their greatest music was produced with him at the helm. This is a “hit piece” from the very first sentence.
Roger seems kinda difficult lol. I'm glad they got together the few times they did. Maybe it'll happen again, but it seems like the Gilmour faction is done with Waters, and if Waters is a toxic drain on his life, so be it.
Did you make this video? If so could i ask permission to maybe use a small clip of this video i am producing a retrospective film on Roger Waters Kind regards Barry .
They way I see it, the both of them feel like the other is less important than they think they are. I've been a fan of the band my whole life. I didn't get to see the 4 of them together but I did get to see David's version of Pink Floyd twice in concert in 1994. I've Roger many, many times solo since then and David solo once more. I'd love to see them all on the same stage, but I'm also happy with the shows I've seen and the music they made for us.
Another one of my favorite bands are unfortunately having the same thing happening for years. it seems the PF and Styx are parallel. Dennis DeYoung is also still fueding with Styx after being booted out… 😞
Styx?? Styx is one of your favorite bands, really? Aren't they the ones who did Mr Roboto and Come Sail Away,? Those are both such bad, corny ass songs
Waters original Lyric was, " There is no pain, Although my hair's receding". Knowing FULL WELL, That David Gilmore was loosing his hair. AND, that he would need to sing those words, FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE. The relationship went down hill from that point on.
I think it is not so bad. I think that both Gilmour and Waters both realize that there's no reason or sense in reunion. Fans will be pleased or maybe pissed but few other people will ever notice such a reunion.
Pink Floyd is in the same place Led Zeppelin is in, Wright isn't with us anymore and neither is Bonham, so the two bands really can't ever be the same again. Now, if the remaining members got back together and formed a new, sequel band... that's a different story, and I'd be first to give them a listen.
There was peace between the two from 2000-2020 as far as I’m aware, but it seems to me that the often peaceful David Gilmour casted the first stone that relit their feud with the whole Twitter debacle. Love both of them and don’t understand the hate for Roger, I always hear people who are “on David’s side” saying how terrible Roger is but never vice versa. In the end there is no one person that creates the sound of Pink Floyd, there is a reason that they are a band and not David or Roger and Co. There is no one person’s “Sound of Pink Floyd” as a matter of fact it’s all Pink Floyd.
Gilmour seems to like to play up the entire Roger is so difficult thing to his advantage. I think it just makes Gilmour look bad in a very calculating way. All his adoring fans just care about is his lead guitar playing. Not really much to base hero worship on. Roger is very fiery and isn't afraid of the public the way Gilmour has always been. Waters gets himself in hot water because of it and David seems to be exploiting that recently. Sad, but to me Gilmour is the one to watch out for. Roger makes his opinions well-known, Gilmour hides and just seems to exploit Roger's troubles for his own benefit. I have great respect for Waters, cannot say the same for Gilmour's antics. But he does play a mean guitar, no one can take that one single thing away from Davey.
@@stickman1742 I agree with you entirely and have thought the exact same thing but I guess we’ll never know the truth. I always have the impression that Gilmour has chip on his shoulder for what happened in the 80s. After Floyd’s last reunion I believe Roger said that he wouldn’t mind getting back with Pink Floyd for a bit, but David turned it down entirely. I think David likes being the sole leader of Pink Floyd.
@@stickman1742 I, on the other hand, think that the one who constantly attacks is Roger. David tries to ignore his attacks but I understand that it is not always possible. Browse the internet and there are dozens of articles, tweets and interviews by Roger attacking and denigrating David. I've only seen one interview from David where he complained that Roger robbed him of the copyrights on Animals and The Wall. On Animals, they had an agreement that David was entitled to 1/6 for half the credits on Dogs. And at the last minute, without David's consent, Roger finished the two acoustic recordings on the album, reducing David's share to 1/10. About The Wall, David said that the songs where he was a co-writer Roger took full authorship and the songs that were completely composed by David were released by Roger as Waters-Gilmour. Without Gilmour's songs and guitar riffs and solos, The Wall would be a steamy, dry musical. So David can no longer work with someone who robbed him. And I understand that. If peace is to be made between them, Roger must acknowledge David's authorial contribution to Pink Floyd and apologize to him. And Roger will never do that.
@@kennethward4985 without any of them there never was a PF. You remove one them all else fails. I’d argue that Rick was more important, musically than both Dave and Rog. Also one thing Roger doesn’t ever get credit for (for some reason or other) is composing. You realise that Roger cocomposed all lot of the albums and the songs with the band.
Amazing band one of my favorites, but at this point these guys are coming up on 80 years old and holding our breath for them to get together again and tour or put it out. Another album is pretty much a waste of energy.
TBH I have always thought that Waters was an egomaniac, everything was and remains about him. All of those epic PF songs would be nothing without the creative and musical input of the rest of the band and the way they seemed to instinctively understand each other.
Thats absolutely right on..👍🏻💯 waters was threatened by Gilmore. He didn't have to be waters is a brilliant musician..a c*nt as a person i don't believe he stands for anything.. other than the obvious.. himself. Pink Floyd are still my favourite band and one of the greatest bands that came from our country. The Beatles are like the best in the bloody universe😅but Pink Floyd moved people like meself.. their music is uncanny. Waters in think is still hung up on the past.
Wrigt no pertenecía a la banda desde 1975. Era un brillante musico que no aportó más que tocar el teclado, por diferencias artisricas. Esa es la verdad. PF no existe más. Ni van a tocar juntos, aunque se diera el milagro de reconciliarse, el tiempo pasa. Ya son muy viejos
While I do think Roger Waters does start some of this stuff I do agree with him about being banned from Pink Floyd's website and social media stuff. If the website can promote David's wifes book then Roger should be allowed to promote a tour where he is performing Pink Floyd songs. The group is on my GOAT list and David and Roger both have some good solo stuff out there. That being said, we'll never see a reunion and IMO I think both guys are to blame
The problem is that the legal settlement handed the name PIK FLOYD over to Gilmour and Mason as Wright had been fired during The Wall. Therefore he is no longer in PINK FLOYD. If his own website is the lesser of the two it's his fault. In any case now that he doesn't have to play second fiddle to the superior Gilmour version of Pink Floyd he is cashing in by still touring.
You can't have Pink Floyd without Richard Wright....who funnily enough isn't even mentioned in this video and I guarantee you'll never see them live again. Wright was almost always underappreciated and left out.
Seeing Richard with David on "On An Island" 2006 tour will be my last memory of live Floyd! One of my top 10 concerts.
Agreed. He, more than Roger and David, gave Pink Floyd their unique sound. The switch from Hammond organ to synthesizer, starting with Dark Side, was the beginning of his eclipse, though his keyboard work is still very prominent, and important, on that album and on Wish You Were Here. After that, he begins to fade into the background, and more's the pity. Part of the problem was the new, more pop-oriented format, featuring David's soaring solos above all, which no longer allowed much room for the softly nuanced harmonies of Rick's keys. He's still there on Great Gig and Shine On, but, especially in the latter, the music drags a bit.
ECHOES is a masterpiece
@@terrencesclassicrockcorner I'm not hugely passionate about anything the band did after Meddle, to be honest, though most of the albums after it still do have some very good cuts, perhaps less so Animals and The Final Cut. After WYWH, Wright's work declined precipitously, however, and even David's lack of enthusiasm is audible in many places. And while I can understand their frustration at the situation, their do-nothing passivity over so long a period makes them just as guilty as Roger for the growing bad chemistry. Nothing David and Rick did after Roger left holds any interest for me. Their ersatz Floyd albums not only lack vigour and tension, they reveal just how necessary Roger was to the band. There is no force driving the material other than the Gilmour's flaccid ego. Roger, at least, knows how to direct his formidable ego out into the world, and his solo efforts, especially Amused to Death, display all the energy lacking in David's nostalgic, sentimental fake Floyd, even if they, too, fall short of the standards set by the classic Floyd catalog.
Gilmour himself said there is no Pink Floyd. I wish it weren't so but at least we can still enjoy their music.
Pink Floyd is done. Rest in peace Richard Wright and Syd Barrett.
They wrote, recorded and performed their brilliant and enduring musical works long ago. It's done, and attempting to revive their past glory is pointless.
I’d argue it’s actually GOOD that the band is done. Often times, a band revival this late tarnishes the band’s image as a whole. Sometimes it’s better to just let it be as it was.
I actually agree with your statement. But unfortunately there are STILL individuals out there that believe they will reform again which will NEVER happen..
Waters found himself playing solo, to a crowd of 1800 in the same city, that pink Floyd was playing to 36,000, he said it was eye opening!
The surviving members are pushing 80. Do we really need a reunion at this point? Just let it go.
David wrapped things up in his last interview, when he stated "There was a band named Pink Floyd, there isn't one any more."
Roger should take him to court, to carry on using the name Pink Floyd.
@@grrr.9998And IF Mr Waters did, the judge would throw the case out of court.. Mr Waters wouldn't have a leg to stand on...
@@grrr.9998Without Gilmour, Wright and Mason? No way. That is not Pink Floyd.
Roger waters is pink floyd
@@jimreplicant No he isn't!!
Since Gilmour is worth north of 165 million dollars and Rogers north of 310 million, this is NOT something I lose a lot of sleep over.
Yet he still does....ego? Perhaps.
@@sunshinewildfire7087 Gilmour supports Ukraine / Nato/ USA , who over threw the elected Ukrainian gov. Water speaks out against Israel , who created an open air prison and oppress millions. Gilmour is a propagandist for the system or totally disconnected from facts and reality .
@@sunshinewildfire7087ego from both haha
I do not think the researcher of this vlog looked at just how bad Waters treated Wright. The fact he is not mentioned
Both of them are the Kings, each in their own way! Pink Floyd lives forever!
My take on it, for what it's worth, is that there was no member of Pink Floyd, post Syd Barret and prior to 'Dark Side of the Moon', who was the 'premier' member of the band. Pink Floyd operated as a unit pretty much up until 'Echoes'. 'Dark Side was definitely the opus of Roger Waters generally, but all the band had input, especially Dave Gilmour. It was the massive success of that album, that put Roger Waters in the driving seat, as his totally amazing lyrics and melodies were pivotal to its success. Waters continued with his creative brilliance over the next few albums, culminating in the incredible "The Wall", which is their magnum opus. Pink Floyd by then, had produced some of the most brilliant and unique music in rock history! Even though I like 'The Final Cut', it was almost completely a Roger Water's album, and the input from the other members was minimal. I think, like Paul McCartney, that Roger wanted Pink Floyd to be 'his band', with the other members as back-up men. This was never going to sit right with Dave Gilmour, who was producing great albums of his own, and the idea of dropping Pink Floyd at Roger's behest was anathema to him. The new Pink Floyd, was, let's face it, The Dave Gilmour Band in essence, but that's ok, because Dave Gilmour, along with Nick Mason and Richard Wright, could still put out great stuff, as could Roger Waters. It's a pity about all the drama and legal fights, but I loved the body of work from all of them!
I think you already go wrong in your comment with calling 'The Wall' THEIR magnum opus..... At least i know one person who will fully disagree with you on that and i don't think that i even have to mention his name? hence the main problem 'inside' the band Pink Floyd. Already during recordings of The Wall Richard Wright was kicked out by Waters because Rick didn't like the whole project at all and Waters took it all on a personal level... hence Waters thought (and he stil does) that in fact he was Pink Floyd...
Yes , since Rick died , Pink Floyd died for ever...Gimour already was not there at the beggining .. it was SYD's band...then became Roger Waters's Band with all his great project...Gilmour do not have the right to do so...even using Pink Floyd's name for helping UKRAINE ..THAT IS HIS BIGGEST MISTAKE...SHAME ON GILMOUR AND HIS WIFE !!!
@artvision, THANK YOU. David bows to his mean wife. HER son Charlie married a Ukrainian and she's Jewish so naturally she called Roger Anti-Semitic for his stance on Israel and the NATO (Zionist) proxy war in Ukraine. Zelensky is a Zio puppet pushing the Great Reset/Agenda 2030 global governance scheme as well as the Greater Israel Project. David sadly goes along with "The Machine" Roger is actually on a Ukrainian HIT LIST .
@@a.vandergaag5517or the truth .. Richard were sailing in med, doing absolutely nothing. Lazy bugger. I hate lazy people. Michael Kamen were light years better than this lazy person. We all know them.... glad and fair that he got kicked out.
The trouble is 'Money' was the only good track on DSOTM.
Really no one in their right mind thinks or hopes Pink Floyd is ever gonna reunite or tour again (even without Waters). It would be great for them if they can come to peace with each other but that's all.
Gilmour and Mason do not constitute Pink Floyd. That's just a duo! Syd Barrett's long gone and now Richard Wright's long gone. God bless them. There can only possibly be Pink Floyd ever again if its David Gilmour, Roger Waters and Nick Mason.
Who’s fault it is? Doesn’t matter! Do you force two kids from the playground to live next to each other because that was their dream in 4th grade? Fact is, they were uniquely gifted and produced remarkably complex music that commands the senses to stir and the mind the wander. It was almost magical and while it lasted we were in awe. The winds of change have blown . But we’re left with a memory that never fades. Enjoy it, share it, introducing my kids to them has been a great experience.
BTW there’s a cover band Australian Pink Floyd that is absolutely amazing in concert. Just saw them with my son. As close as you will get to seeing the real thing. I’ll definitely be going again. They were brilliantly close to the unmatched genius of
PINK FLOYD
This dynamic is why we got the music we did.
Important point.
"I definitely was in the right"
"I certainly was in the right" wasn't it?
They couldn't have had disagreements from the days of their debut album, because David wasn't in the band at that time.
RIGHT !
Shows you how biased this video is. It even tries to blame Roger for Syd's crisis.
I think he means the first album Gilmour played on. "'A saucerful of Secrets"
@@terrencesclassicrockcorner Bollocks. They all made the decision to continue without Syd, even on the night you mention. Rick even tells the anecdote of him deceiving a catatonic Syd and saying he was going out for cigarettes when he was actually leaving for a gig with the band. No, it was a collective decision and a necessary, though painful one. I'm getting sick and tired of all these aspersions people online are casting on Roger, who was the animating force of the band. In so doing, you internet bots are doing the work of the Establishment, which has been trying to assassinate Roger's character for decades. He's one of the few 60s peaceniks left to fight the good fight. And without him you wouldn't even have all that good Pink Floyd music you love so much.
@@chicklets4ever51 god you old hippies need to get over yourselves. Roger isn't "fighting the good fight" he's a rich, old boomer sellout trying to make more money by doing half assed reunion tours, not to mention he's a neo Nazi fascist. Your comment reeks of that self important attitude hippie boomers have because you think your decade of good-mediocre music was somehow this insane cultural revolution. The reality is it's just a meaningless little blip from a time that's being forgotten because it's no longer of any importance
Don't care who is wrong or right.Just want to hear Pink floyd live again.The music and lyrics area match not often heard. Roger , Dave and most importantly nic please bring it on
100% agreed….wherever, whenever and whatever the price I will be there when they will reunite….and they must do it for the millions of fins like me around the world
There is no Pink Floyd without Richard
@@diegomenarin7295 NO Richard Wright NO Pink Floyd!
"There was once a band named Pink Floyd, there isn't anymore". (David Gilmour).... Why don't you, and the rest of the individuals like you accept the fact that it will NEVER occur, not in a cat in hell's chance... There's more chance of Rammstein starting off their next British leg tour at Chipping Sodbury Town Hall than PF reforming and doing a concert.
It will NEVER be the same without Richard Wright, but David and Roger NEED to sit down, and talk.
Sounds like Gilmore is the bigger jerk. He ought to keep his wife out of it too. Waters is right on politically 😉
Bwahahahaha!
I love both their inputs on Pink Floyd's music, and I've seen them both live.
Roger Waters is much more politically aware, as well as frustrated by it - not in the least because of his father's death in WW2 when he was really young. That is where his vitriol comes from, but he's easily intelligent enough to explain his reasons behind it too (and there's not a lot of people who can do that, sadly)
David Gilmour is a truly phenomenal guitar player, and has successfully continued Pink Floyd after Roger left.
And I'm sure he's a really nice and intelligent person too, from what I've seen and heard.
But, David just doesn't have that same 'urge' to bring a message across in his music - lyrically it's far more 'docile'. Dreadful term, I know, but I can't think of a better one at the moment.
David got fed up with Roger's constant hammering on about WW2 and political issues, and thát is something that still divides them to this day.
Politics is bullshit anyway, just a result of programming and brainwashing. Anytime, you are presented binary solutions to a complex problems, just realize you are a victim of propaganda.....There are more than two sides to any issue, wouldn't you agree?
We know Polly can't speak intelligently. That doesn't help.
@@stickman1742 She can amass and hurl buzz word ad hominem insults though.
@sir, Yup, straight out of the "Labels to use on Those who Disagree with you" gaslighting playbook .
Gilmour supports Ukraine / Nato/ USA , who over threw the elected Ukrainian gov. Water speaks out against Israel , who created an open air prison and oppress millions. Gilmour is totally disconnected from facts and reality. He is 100% a propagandist for the system or have zero clue .
If you don't write songs, you can't have any band! How can you have any band, if you don't write the songs?
Tell Elvis Presley that. Much of the MUSIC was written by Gilmour & Wright, right up until Animals and The Wall.
@@thefuturefactory56albums like more will disagree he’s also mainly wrote most of the songs before that too argue all you want Roger is the Genius
This video is ridiculous. Whoever put this together played fast and loose with the facts.
Thank you.
Examples?
@@omnipop4936 I love this band but this sounds like a Water's hit piece. To me, There is no Pink Floyd without both Waters and Gilmour. There is no Beatles without Paul and John, no Stones without Mick and Kieth.... The argument that the band is better because of one of them more than the other is silly.
I think both Gilmour and Waters are spectacular. As far as inaccuracies, writing credits people speak of is a big one. Waters wrote tons of songs both music and lyrics. On the earlier albums (pre Darkside) they would often go off and write songs on their own an bring them back. Atom heat mother was mentioned in the thread as an album that Gilmour wrote. That isn't true. he wrote Fat old Sun (I adore the song). But he didn't just write the album. Waters wrote songs as did Wright. Where I find things to be most inaccurate is the depiction that Waters didn't write Dark Side, Wish you were here, The wall. Those were all concept albums and he was the one with the concept. He had the vision for these albums. Not only I he write songs for them but he Wass the reason this albums came into existence and lets be real, without them? We are likely not having this conversation because those are some of the most influential and spectacular albums ever. All of them were Water's visions. Gilmour's musical contribution and ability to take what might have been rough cuts and turn them into art is immeasurable and not remotely dismissed. Waters often created a skeleton and Gilmour gave it flesh, blood an movement.
I think another important factor left out is the pressure they were under after the Wall. The expectation for another hit album weighed heavily on all of them but Waters in particular. This certainly took its toll on a tenuous relationship.
Lastly, there is far more to each of these tiny battles between the parties. Waters has every right to be pissed that they are using the name and the music. It would be the same if after the Beatles up, Paul, Ringo and George wrote new music under that name and toured that way. It's not the Beatles anymore. Nor was it Pink Floyd anymore. For newer listeners, Waters is not even on the radar. His legacy and musical credit wave been diminished. Waters has made quite a few attempts to make amends and been instead, criticized.
As an aside, people who think Gimour's solos stuff is better than Waters'? I cannot agree. Pros an Cons is spectacular. Radio Chaos is really good. Amused To death is excellent. I like Gilmour's solo stuff but it doesn't have the bite. Nor does Pink Floyd without Waters.
Brilliantly put, 100% accurate.
No Waters.. no floyd
Extreme personalities are what makes genius - Monty Python members didn't get on either...
I wouldn't want to work w Waters either.
When Dark Side of the Moon was released I was just about to turn 16. I'm not going to say anything so overstated like it changed my life. I will say that I have derived more listening pleasure from that album than any other. It is, in my own personal subjective opinion, the best album ever produced. The idea that it can never be heard live again because of a disagreement is a shame. A disagreement, I would like to point out, that will be absolutely meaningless on either person's deathbed. People are as great and talented as they are because of who they are, not in spite of who they are. At least there are videos.
We jeered at it. It was well produced but the only good song was Money. That was great. We did NOT jeer at WYWH. A far superior album.
Your statement that “it won’t be heard live again” isn’t exactly true. There are some great tribute bands performing their music. I’m going to see a local (Wisconsin) outfit in November who are going to do all of DSOM. They did The Wall a couple of years back with full stage show - even with some of the original animation! It was amazing. Yeah, it’s not with any members of PF but I think we can compare this to how classical music is performed….definitely not with “original members”, but ultimately it’s the music that’s important, which will live on long after all of them have passed on.
@@eugenedevere7687Lol what a crazy statement. The whole album is absolutely top notch
Waters found himself playing solo, to a crowd of 1800 in the same city, that pink Floyd was playing to 36,000, he said it was eye opening!
Waters found himself playing solo, to a crowd of 1800 in the same city, that pink Floyd was playing to 36,000, he said it was eye opening!
Calling Waters "anti-Semitic" is unintelligent and anti-intellectual. Period!
At the moment it's impossible to feel empathy for the Palestinians, and want to argue for their human rights, and criticise the actions of the Israeli government, without being called antisemitic. Even though none of that is antisemitic in the slightest.
@@terrencesclassicrockcorner Idiot! Jews has nothing in Palestine to do. They got Birobidjan from Stalin in 1928, that's where they belpng, or rather on another planet.
That's a common tactic nowadays, if a person takes a different view the offended group just labels them racist, anti-Semitic, etc. that's easier than actually making a consise argument. And other people just repeat that without even knowing why he is SUPPOSEDLY anti-Semitic
Waters found himself playing solo, to a crowd of 1800 in the same city, that pink Floyd was playing to 36,000, he said it was eye opening! After the court settlement!
Waters is certainly unintelligent and anti-intellectual.
I saw Floyd in 67 at Floral Hall Southport singing Arnold Lane and See Emily Play, brilliant.
Whats Daves wife said about Roger was a bit of a madness..even if some of that stuff is true to go on record is just asking for legal trouble..i understand these gutys have more money then they could ever spend but i think they all need to see how people are really living and find a gratitude that ordinary people loved them enough to put them in such a fortunate position...these lads need to think on
I know Roger had issues etc but in this case I think that David is holding the grudge for far too long. It seems that Roger is more ready for cooperation than David. Also it looks like Polly wife of David is adding to this feud by her dislike of Roger. Man should be centered and not be influenced by others.
Come on, Roger has been flapping his lips in public for years. Gilmour says nothing.
@@spooge33yeah he has his wife do all the talking for him😂
In my opinion, Mr Gilmour's grudge with Mr Waters is that Mr Waters sacked Richard Wright during The Wall recordings. He even slated the poor man after he died and I don't think Mr Gilmour's wife, or Mr Gilmour will ever forgive Mr Waters for that. When they did The Wall concert back in 1979 Pink Floyd lost a hell of a lot of money and the only musician who made any money during those concert's was none other than Richard Wright, because he was hired as a session musician. And that made Mr Waters a very bitter individual...
I'd say it's almost all Polly at this point. Polly despises Roger with a rabid passion due to his politics, and David has never really ever been a particularly strong personality, he just kind of rolls with whatever the people around him are doing. He essentially replaced Roger with a female Roger, both of whom are very dominant personalities who are strongly activist in their political beliefs.
Waters is out of his damn mind.
I give Gilmour props for not speaking out more
Would be nice if these narrators actually knew their subject matter. The shot of Nick Mason playing the drums (3:12) was actually Gary Wallis. Nick played a traditional drum kit post Walters as he always had. Thought Gary should get some credit. He is an amazing musician.
I think we need to stop hoping for another reunion and just appreciate what the Floyd has done over the years. I think we’ll maybe, just maybe have a reconciliation between Roger and David at best.
David Gilmour's wife summed it up nicely,....
I remember buying David Gilmour's debut solo album the day of its release. I was expecting so much more but then Gilmour was an ordinary songwriter, by his own admission, compared with Roger Waters, whose lyrics were inspirational and thought provoking. Pink Floyd members were all fine musicians but Barrett and Waters were the main creative force in the group.
The group was greater than any one person. Waters' solo stuff isn't up to PF standards either.
I think the debut album from David Gilmour is great. Exceptional guitar playing and material. Play it quite a lot.
I agree. Gilmour can't write to save his life, and his work without Waters is flaccid and lacks creative tension. Songs highlighting guitar solos get boring after a while.
LOL..and the Waters solo career has been a stellar flop with his miserable, self indulgent "my dads dead" psychosis. When it comes to Pink Floyd nobody cares who wrote the songs.Presley didn't write any, the drummer in Black Sabbath wrote most of theirs, so who remembers Ben Weisman when it comes to Presley and who remembers Bill Ward when it comes to Sabbath etc,etc.
If the Gilmour Pink Floyd was playing in my city at the same time as Waters I'd go to the PINK FLOYD show to hear the man who SANG those songs and plays guitar like no other.
In fact when Pink Floyd were touring in 1988-89 Waters complained that they filled stadiums where he was playing and 3 people & a dog turned up to his show.
There are also 4-5 songs on Dark Side that he wrote lyrics for but the music was not his.
He's a bitter, twisted & confused old man.
Be that as it may, most - if not all - of PF's songs wouldn't have the same emotional impact without Gilmour's playing. Comfortably Numb, Time, or Shine on... to name a few. Lyrics wouldn't be enough to make them what they are.
I saw Pink Floyd in 1994 in Houston Texas and it was really the most fantastic concert I have ever seen and heard
The lightning going in sync with the lasers during Wish you were here to this day is the most epic thing I've witnessed at a concert!
Both are awesome! I’d say “Wish you were here” is top rated Floyd, but Gilmore has done some remarkable work too. I just enjoy the tunes,,,🎼🎼🎼
Maybe this feud isn’t quite as it seems, remember Gilmour played as a guest on Waters ‘Wall tour’. In the end we have the music they did produce, and can still enjoy listening to it now. Same with a number of great bands from that period who either split up or sadly passed away! The music outlives everything!
They are both control freaks - Gilmour is just a calmer, more likeable & polite control freak ..
David Gilmour joined the band years after it was formed, for me he should have had no say in what happened to Pink Floyd
Ok. Yeah Sammy Hagar should have kept his mouth shut as well. Phil Collins as well...
And the Waters Gilmour drama saga goes on ad infinitum. Legendary stuff from a legendary group who carved out a niche no one else came close to filling.
Such a boring 'feud', too, one that stinks legal subtext rather than the clash of philosophies. I was on David's side in 1985, but today, in 2023, I must admit that I side more with Roger's good faith. He aged much better than the others.
@@martinportelance138 Well said. I agreed. David's cantankerousness has turned me against him and made it harder for me to accept the limits of his playing (too heavy on pentatonics and diatonic harmonies, especially from DSOTM onwards), which worked well in the Floyd context, but which, without Roger, sound pretty dead to me.
Sadly, I have boycotted David due to his support of Ukraine. He should have left it alone. He's obviously a deep state humper. Roger takes a stand for peace, David and Nick feed the NATO war machine.
@@chicklets4ever51 Gilmour supports Ukraine / Nato/ USA , who over threw the elected Ukrainian gov. Water speaks out against Israel , who created an open air prison and oppress millions. Gilmour is a propagandist for the system or totally disconnected from facts and reality .
There was NO reunited Pink Floyd in 2008. Gilmour went up to performing ONLY on "Comfortable Numb" and that was it.
And on "outside the wall".But your are right.
"The Pair have had disagreements throughout the groups career, from the early days of their debut album.....) David Gilmour wasn't in Pink Floyd when they made their first album....the guitarist was Syd Barrett.
The 2 will never reconcile, it's just a pipe dream. Let's celebrate and appreciate the brilliant work the group did together.
with all that's been currently going on, and seeing all of roger's activism, i think the problem was more than just "band drama" and "creative differences"
As Jorge Luis Borges once said about the Falklands war between Argentina and the UK, Roger Waters and David Gilmour also look like "two bald men fighting for a comb".
You are right no Richard Wright no pink Floyd absolutely right
And if they were good men they'd understand the spaces between friends
You can't have Floyd without Gilmour, you can't have Floyd without Waters, you can't have Floyd without Wright, and you can't have Floyd without Mason. you can see when Waters had Floyd (The final cut) and when Gilmour had Floyd (Amlor and The division bell) it couldn't hold a candle to when they worked together. no matter what will happen Floyd will never be Floyd again without all of them
Forgot to mention a couple years ago David played for roger at a waters concert performing the wall songs hugging each other.
The feud is fun and a gift that keeps on giving.
My mother argues with me sometimes... but we still live together...
If only anyone of us had eternal time to pluck out all the thorns of the human heart. Not me...for sure, not me.
Floyd is just another band without Waters. Geniuses can be dicks. That’s the price of working with them.
Waters without Gilmour is just trash, as we saw with the Final Cut and Waters solo career. The music of Floyd was always Gilmour and Wright.
@@dancahill9585 um are you smoking crack? Lol
@@dancahill9585 ...and Pink Floyd without Roger is simply Fake Floyd...you want trash...listen to A Momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell...
@@stephenstone8480 Both albums much better than The Final Cut.
@@dancahill9585 Lol no.
As a commercial brand, Pink Floyd is Gilmore, Waters, Wright and Mason. Pink Floyd ceased being art when Syd Barrett took creativity with him.
Sounds like the disagreement between me and my old friend my drummer, music is always best when the people truly get along together, if not, not a single note is played-silence....
I had listened to Pink Floyd, I had listened ( I still do ) to David Gilmour as an individual, I had listened to Roger Waters as an individual, I didn't know for a long time that they were/are in Pink Floyd, when I found out and that they have a beef found it a real shame
I used to be a big fan of Waters and saw him twice but I really don't think he would have had his career without the other members of Floyd. Gilmour, on the other hand, had the looks, the voice and the talent and would have succeeded regardless.
3:32 - David gilmour looks so WOW!!
“From the early days of their debut album” …yeah, the one Gilmour wasn’t even in the band for when it was made
I’m a childhood friend of David and Syd
And knew Roger briefly
It is believed that Roger is responsible for Syd’s untimely demise into madness.
Sparked on by Rogers emphatic feeding of the cause.
One day hopefully this truth will be known,
But I’m just an old man at the end of my life and I’ll take what I know with me.
As for the guys in that band they made some amazing music.
Just sad that it all fell apart.
In my opinion as soon as Roger Waters left Pink Floyd that was the end of Pink Floyd
I have respect anybody who admits when they are wrong!
IN A FEUD OF SUCH PUBLIC MAGNITUDE SO LONG STANDING THE TWO SHOULD DECIDE ON A LOCATION AND SELECT DUELING PISTOLS, WINNER TAKE ALL. HOWEVER, A MORE ADULT SOLUTION SHOULD BE TO ACCEPT ONE ANOTHER IF BOTH WILL SMOOTH OUT THEIR ROUGH EDGES THAT STARTED THE ABRASION. I'VE LATELY COME TO APPRECIATE THE INCREDIBLE LYRICAL DEPTH OF THE EARLY 70S ALBUMS.
In my opinion Dark Side of the Moon was a creative masterpiece to me it was the greatest Rock album of all time even against heavy hitters like Led Zeppelin lV, Jethro Tull Aqualung,The Who Tommy, Black Sabbath Paranoid and Deep Purple Machine Head and Montrose’s and Van Halen’s and. Boston’s first album to name a few along with Who’s next
Like a viewer below say No Rock Wright NO Pink Floyd! Sure Jon Carin is brilliant but he's not a founder member and Rick always added the perfect keyboard part for every Floyd song he played on!
Why are there clips of Pripyat in a video about Pink Floyd?
I love Pink Floyd....but Roger Water's hard on for Putin has made me hate him to the point I wouldn't go see a reunion even if they had one. And I'm pretty sure Gilmour understands this and agrees we shouldn't. All those years of listening to the wall and feeling it was a real finger in the face of fascists and dictators....then Roger opens his mouth.....and it seconds all you can think is "not real". just like that.
You hate Putin because the American propaganda tells you to , not because you understand geopolitics and decided on your own .
Apart from the fact that Waters is a historical ignoramous when it comes to his love for Russia. Mind you he was in that group from the 70's called the CND.
-As for Soviet funding of CND, it was proven in November 1991 that the KGB bankrolled the British Communist Party throughout the 1970s - the very period when (as Bruce Kent repeatedly acknowledged) only the support of the Communist Party and of the Quakers enabled CND to survive.’
A bit hypocritical, don't you think? Where was Gilmour when Iraq, Palestine, Yugoslavia etc. were being shaken to their core? Picking one conflict and blaming one country (Russia) isn't the way to go, especially when Great Britain is the most imperialistic country in the world, with colonies all over the place. Waters isn't a Putin fanboy, nor he is a fascist, he just isn't onesided, blaming Russia for everything. In '89 NATO signed that their borders won't involve Ukraine. Then, out of nowhere, they violate that agreement and the consequences are devastating. THAT is what Roger was talking about.
For me the ship sailed long ago. We don't need any new floyd.
Sounds like I share her view of Waters……
2 bald men fighting over a comb. PF ran out of creative steam in the 80s and their bassist left. In his arrogance he thought the band should disband, but the rest of the boys carried on a bit. But by this time they only really had their live performances of note. Funny though how RW wanted the band to end with his leaving, but was happy they had continued without Syd all those years before.
Timeless
As someone who is Jewish and a believer in the right of the Jewish People to self determination in the land promised to them by God and Balfour, I can't morally listen to any thing by Waters. To me, Waters music is like listening to Nazi marching songs. That said, I admire Gilmour who has called Waters out for what he is. I despise Waters in the same way as I despise WW2 Nazis.
Waters is a difficult man but a brilliant visionary…their greatest music was produced with him at the helm. This is a “hit piece” from the very first sentence.
Roger seems kinda difficult lol. I'm glad they got together the few times they did. Maybe it'll happen again, but it seems like the Gilmour faction is done with Waters, and if Waters is a toxic drain on his life, so be it.
It started with Barrett, then Wright then Gilmour. See a pattern here?
is it always roger waters?
Did you make this video? If so could i ask permission to maybe use a small clip of this video i am producing a retrospective film on Roger Waters
Kind regards
Barry
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They way I see it, the both of them feel like the other is less important than they think they are. I've been a fan of the band my whole life. I didn't get to see the 4 of them together but I did get to see David's version of Pink Floyd twice in concert in 1994. I've Roger many, many times solo since then and David solo once more. I'd love to see them all on the same stage, but I'm also happy with the shows I've seen and the music they made for us.
I pray they "make up". Holding onto a grudge is NOT good. Amen.
Another one of my favorite bands are unfortunately having the same thing happening for years. it seems the PF and Styx are parallel. Dennis DeYoung is also still fueding with Styx after being booted out… 😞
Styx?? Styx is one of your favorite bands, really? Aren't they the ones who did Mr Roboto and Come Sail Away,? Those are both such bad, corny ass songs
Pink Floyd and Styx are in no way parallel
Waters original Lyric was,
" There is no pain,
Although my hair's receding".
Knowing FULL WELL,
That David Gilmore was loosing his hair.
AND, that he would need to sing those words,
FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
The relationship went down hill from that point on.
per: 2:47 What concert from 2008 did they jointly appear at, and purportedly made $150 million?
Yes, and who knows, maybe Blackmore - by then aged 92 - will return touring with Deep Purple. Everything is possible.
The problem easy it's there egos😮
I think it is not so bad. I think that both Gilmour and Waters both realize that there's no reason or sense in reunion. Fans will be pleased or maybe pissed but few other people will ever notice such a reunion.
Wright wasn't keen on Waters either. It wasn't just Gilmore
Pink Floyd is in the same place Led Zeppelin is in, Wright isn't with us anymore and neither is Bonham, so the two bands really can't ever be the same again.
Now, if the remaining members got back together and formed a new, sequel band... that's a different story, and I'd be first to give them a listen.
There was peace between the two from 2000-2020 as far as I’m aware, but it seems to me that the often peaceful David Gilmour casted the first stone that relit their feud with the whole Twitter debacle. Love both of them and don’t understand the hate for Roger, I always hear people who are “on David’s side” saying how terrible Roger is but never vice versa. In the end there is no one person that creates the sound of Pink Floyd, there is a reason that they are a band and not David or Roger and Co.
There is no one person’s “Sound of Pink Floyd” as a matter of fact it’s all Pink Floyd.
Gilmour seems to like to play up the entire Roger is so difficult thing to his advantage. I think it just makes Gilmour look bad in a very calculating way. All his adoring fans just care about is his lead guitar playing. Not really much to base hero worship on. Roger is very fiery and isn't afraid of the public the way Gilmour has always been. Waters gets himself in hot water because of it and David seems to be exploiting that recently. Sad, but to me Gilmour is the one to watch out for. Roger makes his opinions well-known, Gilmour hides and just seems to exploit Roger's troubles for his own benefit. I have great respect for Waters, cannot say the same for Gilmour's antics. But he does play a mean guitar, no one can take that one single thing away from Davey.
@@stickman1742 I agree with you entirely and have thought the exact same thing but I guess we’ll never know the truth. I always have the impression that Gilmour has chip on his shoulder for what happened in the 80s. After Floyd’s last reunion I believe Roger said that he wouldn’t mind getting back with Pink Floyd for a bit, but David turned it down entirely. I think David likes being the sole leader of Pink Floyd.
Without Gilmour's guitar there never was a PF. Waters alone is nothing but a bass player who wrote a few clever lyrics over 40 years ago.
@@stickman1742 I, on the other hand, think that the one who constantly attacks is Roger. David tries to ignore his attacks but I understand that it is not always possible. Browse the internet and there are dozens of articles, tweets and interviews by Roger attacking and denigrating David.
I've only seen one interview from David where he complained that Roger robbed him of the copyrights on Animals and The Wall.
On Animals, they had an agreement that David was entitled to 1/6 for half the credits on Dogs. And at the last minute, without David's consent, Roger finished the two acoustic recordings on the album, reducing David's share to 1/10.
About The Wall, David said that the songs where he was a co-writer Roger took full authorship and the songs that were completely composed by David were released by Roger as Waters-Gilmour. Without Gilmour's songs and guitar riffs and solos, The Wall would be a steamy, dry musical.
So David can no longer work with someone who robbed him. And I understand that.
If peace is to be made between them, Roger must acknowledge David's authorial contribution to Pink Floyd and apologize to him. And Roger will never do that.
@@kennethward4985 without any of them there never was a PF. You remove one them all else fails. I’d argue that Rick was more important, musically than both Dave and Rog. Also one thing Roger doesn’t ever get credit for (for some reason or other) is composing. You realise that Roger cocomposed all lot of the albums and the songs with the band.
Nobody really comes to a Gilmour concert to hear his solo stuff. Its Rogers music they come to hear.
Amazing band one of my favorites, but at this point these guys are coming up on 80 years old and holding our breath for them to get together again and tour or put it out. Another album is pretty much a waste of energy.
I agree with waters not being able to have access to the Floyd website, but I don’t think gilmours wife should either
It's clear you can have pink floyd without roger waters, thank god.
Hard to have two leaders in one organization. Wright and Mason were just waiting all the time...
Roger simply didn't get his way. It turned out pretty well without it.
Money
It's a crime
Share it fairly, but don't take a slice of my pie
Money
So they say
Is the root of all evil today
TBH I have always thought that Waters was an egomaniac, everything was and remains about him. All of those epic PF songs would be nothing without the creative and musical input of the rest of the band and the way they seemed to instinctively understand each other.
Without waters I think Pink Floyd is awesome
A snowball has a better chance in Hell than Pink Floyd does with a reunion.
PF reuniting now would be like the Beatles reuniting now. It's just Ringo and Paul.
In other words, pointless to call it a band reunion.
The feud will soon end. Roger is 80 years old. Nuff said.
Its sad them and ian Gillan and Ritchie blackmore if they all realized that life is too short for that fighting
Thats absolutely right on..👍🏻💯 waters was threatened by Gilmore. He didn't have to be waters is a brilliant musician..a c*nt as a person i don't believe he stands for anything.. other than the obvious.. himself. Pink Floyd are still my favourite band and one of the greatest bands that came from our country. The Beatles are like the best in the bloody universe😅but Pink Floyd moved people like meself.. their music is uncanny. Waters in think is still hung up on the past.
'Two bald men fighting over a comb.'.....?
Screw the fued between Waters & Gilmour! I want to know if Nick ever got his apple pie - you know, the one with the round crust?
Wrigt no pertenecía a la banda desde 1975. Era un brillante musico que no aportó más que tocar el teclado, por diferencias artisricas. Esa es la verdad. PF no existe más. Ni van a tocar juntos, aunque se diera el milagro de reconciliarse, el tiempo pasa. Ya son muy viejos
While I do think Roger Waters does start some of this stuff I do agree with him about being banned from Pink Floyd's website and social media stuff. If the website can promote David's wifes book then Roger should be allowed to promote a tour where he is performing Pink Floyd songs.
The group is on my GOAT list and David and Roger both have some good solo stuff out there. That being said, we'll never see a reunion and IMO I think both guys are to blame
The problem is that the legal settlement handed the name PIK FLOYD over to Gilmour and Mason as Wright had been fired during The Wall. Therefore he is no longer in PINK FLOYD. If his own website is the lesser of the two it's his fault.
In any case now that he doesn't have to play second fiddle to the superior Gilmour version of Pink Floyd he is cashing in by still touring.
Simple... aunque son músicos geniales, aman el ego y el dinero... cumplen lo que dicen en money...
The commentator never mentioned Rick!? Is he not one of the band- hired or not.