Roger Waters vs. David Gilmour: What Caused Pink Floyd's Feud?
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- David Gilmour and Roger Waters' feud might be music's most legendary. As two members of Pink Floyd, along with Nick Mason and Richard Wright, they created seminal albums Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here and The Wall, among others. They two didn't quite see eye to eye though. From Gilmour replacing Barret in the 60s, to Waters quitting in '85, this documentary explores the Feud between Gilmour and Waters.
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00:00 - Intro
00:53 - Pink Floyd's Beginning
01:20 - Gilmour Joins
02:34 - Richard Wright
03:38 - Gilmour's Solo Stuff
04:05 - Waters Quits
04:55 - Reunions
06:10 - Still Feuding
08:31 - Outro
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Just a guess like my comment underneath this poles apart.
It is what it is... just enjoy what the five of them created as a group. Thank you Syd, Roger, David, Richard and Nick for all the amazing music... 💕
It is not what it is...smh...
They have been my absolute favorite ever since hearing the wall in the early 80s. It was kinda a shame that so much of their music was left out of radio and only a handful of songs really were ever focused on... I don't know too many people that heard one of them, bought an album, and didn't end up liking the whole thing... wanting more.
Not too many bands have invoked this over time... Hit and run is way more common. They stood the test of time, even if there was a bit of turmoil under the hood.
Having been in a band myself, that went no further than local, I can attest the "creative differences" concept is not a force that can be ignored. If the people creating the music are not on the same page for the most part (there will *always* be minor differences)... the music will reflect this. Hence the pingpong in the sound from them in the 70s-80s. The Wall is an excellent wrapped up all in one example. You can clearly hear the two distinct styles that each one of them wants, and while it worked within the context of the turmoil in the story, they definitely "clash".
If you can't agree, you can't agree, and someone has to go. In this case, it was Waters. Is what it is indeed. It can't be forced.
But they remain my favorite ever, regardless of configuration other than the earliest stuff. Syd didn't do much for me, I mean I "get it", but I'm less "psychedelic" (or political, in the case of Waters) and more "philosophical". Gilmour/Wright for the win.
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@@toreckman8899 x2
Too right!
I'm just so glad that Pink Floyd was formed in the first place. They gave us some of the best music the world has ever heard. First time I heard them, I was 13 years old. I'm now 62. I think for anyone to love their albums for that long speaks for itself. I'm on the side of the music
Hearing dark side of the moon one night as an early teen (on an 8 track player I might add) off in the woods during the dark of night was one of the most memorable musical experiences of my life. Hearing Roger Waters redux was one of the most frightening and most deflating. I'd like to blame Roger Waters for everything, but I won't. That said, I think he was the source of the problem. I am, however, like you! Grateful this group ever existed.
@@robertmcmanus9185 the music will always be with us
Waters is the psycho Barrett couldn’t get past.. control and Narcissistic tendencies plague the guy.
Congrats to David on surviving..
@@johnnorris1983If you honestly believe this, then you are the psycho, and you know absolutely NOTHING about Pink Floyd's music of it's members.
you're glad it was formed ? So shouldn't you be on the side of the guy that formed it .
I think many people have forgotten Richard Wright influence, he was in large part the Pink Floyd sound.
The fact that the other band members stuck with Gilmore , despite him not being a founding member , speaks volumes, they knew what was best for them
Yeah, cash.
You mean Gilmour.
@@illegalewahrheiten2911 and not hanging around with a prick like Roger lol
Roger left and wanted Pink Floyd to stop there. There was no optional choice between Gilmour or Waters for the other members. Roger went solo.
@@Tiemen.M
And then Roger based his solo career on Pink Floyd material.
Roger never got over the shock that the band continued on without him. He convinced himself that once he left they were done.
well, they really were done
they were done
They were done...the last 2 albums and tours were done strictly for the money...
Division Bell was an incredible album…..makes the last cut seem what it was….stupid.
@@Cesar_09_or they really weren’t.
One thing is certain: the classic “Pink Floyd” sound we all know and love doesn’t exist without the collaborative efforts of Roger and David. It’s apparent that neither of them individually ever did anything as great as what they accomplished together back in their glory years. It’s crazy to think that they’re still feuding after all this time.
No doubt and they needed Wright as well. Unfortunate they still fight, but I guess the business interests of using the Pink Floyd name is still an issue. Waters wants to put more of his things on official Floyd web sites, but Gilmour doesn't want it. So they fight. Money and power is an equal problem for everyone.
The 'classic' Pink Floyd sound was Syd Barrett. Without him there would never be any Pink Floyd.
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I’m not gonna lie, I like Roger Waters first solo album “The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking” just as much as any classic Pink Floyd Album. And I like it way more than any post Waters Pink Floyd album. If you haven’t listened to it, I’d recommend checking it out ASAP.
I really love Roger Waters' vocals and his writing, but David Gilmour is as close to being a guitar god as is humanly possible. I love what the two of them created together, but if I had to choose just one, it would be David Gilmour, no contest.
Same with me, plus it seems like Water's a not the best person and probably difficult to get along with. Even with all that i've seen Water's live twice in the past 5 years and would again.
Lets choose guy who wouldn't be famous on that level if thwre were not Waters who made everything
Yep.
@@lukapapan5563 stupid opinion.
Gilmour solos are literally best ever period so if you did h2h in terms of their contributions it’s not even debatable
Such an amazing band. It is such a shame that these two geniuses egos got in the way and could not go on to produce such unique and outstanding music.
I was very lucky to of met David Gilmore. I use to be a wall and floor tiler and had the privilege of tiling his house. I was working late one day and he turned up, and we had a chat for about 5 minutes, something that will stay with me for the rest of my days.
What did he say? Not to be nosy, but.. lol
One thing that I do remember that we spoke about was I had a Makita radio playing, he said I didn’t realise that Makita did radios I only thought they did drills. He said it sounds good, I replied, it would sound even better if The Dark Side Of The Moon was playing. He tipped his hat and gave me a smile! Never will forget that.
Great story.
@@terrymiller7272 wow that’s awesome! Thanks for the story
It's not "Gilmore" it's spelled G-I-L-M-O-U-R ...Gilmour.
I'm on the side of Pink Floyd. It's about the music, not about personal vendettas. I've read most stories about the Gilmour/Waters feud and can in most part agree with both of them. This indicates that the disagreement should have been settled amicably instead of by court ruling. But lawsuits is what happens when all of a sudden there's money and so-called "rights" involved. Friendship and reason go out the window once lawyers have taken over and you're quickley on a path of no return. That's how we ended-up where we are. Illusions have been shattered, friendships broken and egos bruised. But the music remains.
Only one of them took it to court. "When the band your in starts playing different tunes, I'll see you on the dark side of the moon."... Yet Roger couldn't abide by his own lyrics. He was vindictive and controlling, and ruined the best band in history.
@@basedbear1605 with that answer you nailed it
waters said one thing but meant something else
that only he knew
much like Cyd's thinking
but without the magic stuff
Both of them? How can you agree the Waters gets to quit the band and throw a hissy fit to try and make them Dissolve the band?
It's like watching your parents who you love both equally fight, and all you care about, is that they work it out.
Yeah, that's it ^
Any kid that has endured their parents divorce sees the same thing there.
And it will never happen. These old progs bands are too steeped in their feelings to truly reconcile.
@@LicoriceLain Agreed, after watching them return together only to break up makes it clear.
My thoughts and sentiments exactly ... !
I have followed Pink Floyd for a lot of years! You have informed me of things that I was not aware of. Love that band! They deserve our respect!! I'm not a big Roger Waters fan, but I'm aware that he was a important part of the band. David Gilmore is my Hero! He is one of the best artists I have ever heard. Thanks, David!!!!
I highly suggest you give a listen to Roger Waters album "Amused to Death"
It’s sad, I love them both, I grew up with Pink Floyd, and will not take sides. They are all highly creative, and passionate, and that is why their music was so breathtakingly magnificent. They all contributed to that beauty, each one of them integral to the success of the band. They’ve both made successful solo careers but there was a magic that happened when they created music together. That Polly Samson could say such ugly things about Roger made me sad and angry. RW is not anti Semitic, nor any of the other things she called him. And then David agreed with her. Shame is all I can say.... one day they’ll all be dead, and this is how it ends.... but life is such that we can’t know what makes people tick. All I know is I love and respect both as humans and musicians.
Like you im a huge fan of Pink Floyd. However, Polly was 1000% correct in identifying RW as an anti-semite. That's because, he is indeed a raging anti-semite. Polly and David are not the only ones who think so either. Many in RW's orbit feel the exact same way.
My older brother would drive all of us to school and Another Brick in the Wall would be blasting on the radio. Great memories and amazing band. All of them.
Wonderful band. Part of my childhood and youth. A shame this feud didn't allow them to continue creating more sounds together.
My first memories of Floyd's music were in elementary school. My step father had a home office in the basement where my twin brother and I shared a room and he would play Dark Side and The Division Bell over and over. When I went off to college years later, I had the Pulse live recording CD and played it over and over in my dorm room. Gilmours guitar just doesn't sound like anybody else. His solos on Comfortably Numb are as good as gutair playing gets in my mind!
I would, as a child, sit outside All Saint's church hall, with a thermos in the snow, listening to Floyd rehearse before they released an album. They went on to release vinyl and become house band at the UFO. Gilmour wasn't there and they were incredible. After Gilmour joined the band I saw them several times and they were incredible. I think every band I've ever known has had a feud on the burner, fueled by ego and cash.
You took words out of my mouth.Clash of egos and money of course…
As an observer, i think David is as chilled as any man can be, a well-rounded and a thoroughly pleasant person. Roger on the other hand i think is complex, difficult and has his fair share of demons & baggage that goes with him into any confrontation that he gets himself into. Just my opinion. just saying...
Agree
Agreed
Yes. Waters was with the band along with Syd. That version of PF sucked ass. When Gilmour joined they actually made good music. So that tells you who can be tossed aside and not missed.
Yep, you have my vote.
Except Gilmour’s Pink Floyd is just bad. Waters solo may not be Dark Side of the Moon redux (unless is very consciously is), but its quality music if you ignore the first side of Radio KAOS. As Robert Christgau said, David Gilmour is the nice guy, but Roger Waters is the songwriter.
And, maybe it’s me, but Gilmour comes off as incredibly snobby when he’s issuing political statements. I don’t agree with his politics much-he’s pretty much “I support the current thing”-but every pronouncement he has on the topic is snobby.
I love this band with every ounce of my being. Pink Floyd in the 70's created the best albums. From the first song, to the final song, you were taken on a journey. Floyd without Roger didn't create these exceptional albums but they made some amazing songs. Coming Back to Life might be my favorite song ever.
Learning to fly
Later Pink Floyd albums were not concept albums, but were great collections of songs. You can tell it's obviously the Floyd, just a lot of the songs have a more upbeat feel to them. I think the later albums stand up quite well with the earlier stuff, better than some.
Pink Floyd had (at least) 5 separate eras:
Barrett years 1966-68,
Experimental Years 1968 - 1972,
DSOM & WYWH years 1973-1976,
The Waters Years 1977 - 1983,
The Gilmour Years 1985 onwards.
They sounded very different in all these eras with the sharpest break being with Animals in 1977.
The sharpest break to me was a little after, when the last Roger Waters influenced album released called "The Final Cut", which I disliked.
Zeppelin created better albums imo. Far more influential too. But each to their own. Floyd definitely top 5 of all time.
I’m a bigger fan of Roger but I have to admit it’s his ego causing a lot of this.
I’ve often found it weird when there’s a member of a band who demands total creative control, to me part of being a band is the collaboration. Like if you want to run the whole thing, go solo. And honestly, the band was great because it was different elements from each member coming together
He had complete control of the "Final Cut" and it sucks. Richard Wright also left before that album was made.
@@patc1964 I think Rick was out during production on the Wall and was only credited as a session musician
Goes to show how much of a tyrant Roger is
Both are great. David is a fantastic guitar player. Roger is a great songwriter. They did a wonderful job together. And that's all.
Roger is a great songwriter, but they all wrote.
Gilmour sucks at writing, he makes a gem every few years though
Does the song, Comfortly Numb mean anything.
@@darrellreid3172 It's about an addicted rock star who is completely out of it before a show. Roger's voice is the doctor giving him drugs to perform. David's voice is the inner monolog of the rock star after the drugs kick in. At least that's my take.
@@Vlasko60it’s about Sid Barrett comfortably numb he was the making of dark side
The greatest Album of all time DSOTM was created when the 4 were 1. Enough said.
Excellent summary of the long-term icons of rock. Thank you!
The other day, upon some mid-life self reflection, I realized: wow, all my favorite musical acts are British rockers. The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Queen, The Police, David Bowie, Elton John, The Clash, Fleetwood Mac (what a top 10!) And now, just to make you hate me, honorable mention to: Adam Ant, Duran Duran, Phil Collins and ColdPlay. In fact, the only non-UK musical artists that I would include amongst my Top 20 favorites would be: Bob Marley, ABBA, Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson. Thanks for your great content, and letting me prattle on... subscribed!
I like all those too
Now go listen to Porcupine Tree and add the best British Rock group of the past 20 years to your list. Stupid Dream is a great album to start with :)
Wow, you missed out on a lot. 😂
No ZZ Top? No AC/DC ? No journey?? And the second part of your list sucks lol 😂
I was a senior in High School when Dark Side came out. Waters may have had some good ideas, for music and lyrics, but they would have had a very small audience without the musical brilliance of Gilmour and Wright, which shown a searchlight on everything. I could never explain what a shock Money was when I heard it on the radio. Gilmour's solo(s) were like a bomb and raised the bar forever. The lyrics were relatively cute. Not sure why Waters ever bothered singing with Gilmour and Wright in the band, and I've heard him admit that at least Gilmour was a much better singer. As an aside, I think it was a great thing that Wright could finish her career/life touring with Gilmour, considering...
I think that 80% of Pink Floyd fans don't understand the lyrics but they love the music..... As a German I needed a long time to really understand the words and the meaning..... but I loved the music from the first day.
Her?
But Roger Waters' style had become too dark and cynical for my liking, even in Wall, compared to the high and magical style of Gilmour/Wright evidenced in Dark Side and Wish.
So was I. I bought the vinly in the UK and still have it today. Ihave all my vinly
Pink floyd isn't amazing because of their musicianship, their amazing for their allegorical writing mixed with amazing musician ship. If you wanted a band with unmatched musicianship, look at someone like Led Zeppelin. Without waters' brilliant lyrics, floyd wouldn't be floyd.
Not going to take sides here. Unparalleled musical talent from the whole band. I have listened so many times to there albums over the years,never gets old.
Pink Floyd was all the members as a whole including Roger and David!
When you bring strong politics into your lyrics, it behooves to make sure your bandmates mostly agree with your positions
Or at least move on and acknowledge that publically that it was a phase eg Ayn Rand reference on 2112 sleevenotes
(Its called "having convictions")
@@layladystay you’re a genius!! It is crystal clear to me now. Thank you
Roger Waters was otherworldly, but only when he had the magic of David Gilmour to turn his ideas into reality. Just look at the material each has produced after the split, and there’s really no argument for who’s had more success. I can’t name a single Waters song post PF, but i can certainly recall a ton of Gilmour’s.
I'd say it was the reverse. Roger's ideas impinged on political realities that Gilmore couldn't handle, wanted to stay in the mystical dreamworld of musical sounds. Waters recognises that sound alone is not enough. That was too much for Gilmore to handle. Has he addressed, countered, or explained his objections to Water's politics, or is he afraid of an open debate?
You mean his political anti semitism?@@WarwickFry
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Waters lost whether you or he liked it or not.
The other members continued the band and made a success of it when Waters thought he was the irreplaceable member of the band.
He was a key player but not as influential as he thought.
As a quartet, may be a little harsh but only Mason was replaceable. Pink Floyd would never have been the global force without Waters, Gilmour or Wright.
But had Gilmour left in 1985, there is no way Waters and the others would have produced a Division Bell level album.
@@evertonfc5380 No matter who you may prefer, you have to realize, whoever had the NAME "Pink Floyd" was going to have greater popularity/success. The success that they had as Pink Floyd, together, could carry any members using that name, afterward, for several lifetimes. And I am not knocking any of the members for this. It's just the truth. ❤ Name and brand recognition is paramount. Of course, look at the amazing success of Roger's The Wall tour. Pretty damn successful, but, again, The Wall is significant name and brand recognition (it was also an INCREDIBLE production!).
Ignore the drama and just enjoy their music.
Waters' sublime dark lyrics and entire Orwellian mindscapes leave an indelible mark on your soul. Gilmour's chill and competent vocals, together with his haunting guitar solos complete the Floyd sound and aura.
Like Lennon and Macartney, hearing the music they made solo, compared to their collaborative genius, it's clear the Floyd, as with the Beatles, were greater than the sum of their parts.
I take comfort though, in knowing that, if they'd stayed together, being less hungry (and stoned) as they aged, it's doubtful that they would ever have matched the beauty of those earlier albums. No-one ever does. Look at U2 or The Stones. Sometimes it's better to leave the audience wanting more....
Thanks Pink Floyd. You influenced my entire life.
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In a word personalities for all that they still went on to be the greatest progressive sycadelic rock band in my lifetime been a fan for over fifty years 74 now and still can't get through a day without listening to their incredible music
I am only 66 andba day does not go by without FLOYD
One of the biggest disconnects that I've noticed: Roger Waters seems to believe that lyricism and thematic concepts matter above all else when it comes to crafting music. And that's fine, a lot of music fans/listeners feel that way as well. But not everyone shares that same sentiment. For some listeners (including myself), the musicality is the more powerful force (chords, melodies, harmonies, instrumentation, etc.)
Waters views musicians as more or less interchangeable and because of this, I suspect he has a difficult time recognizing the unique musical contributions of his bandmates that helped make Pink Floyd a household name. He's mostly only able to recognize his own contributions of lyricism because it's his primary wheelhouse/ field of expertise (That and a bit of ego as well lol).
Where was this "musicality" after Roger left the band?
Is that you David? I actually heard Gilmour say this in an interview . Roger was great at concepts and lyrics but bad at musicality.
This is almost a fake video , telling again lies on political point of view of corrupted media : All the media mainstream expecially of the west showed in these last years all kind of disinformations and official fake news , but turning up side down ... they started to accuse free social to be dangerous and need to be fully controlled and censored.
A new nazism " really" is spreading in Europe ! Roger Waters is unique as rock star and musician to stand for the truth !
David Gilmour gived up this foundametal side of Pink floyd philosopy ( not just rock music) but revolutionary message by music , pictures , words !!!
@@illegalewahrheiten2911The Division Bell being the main example
I agree with all you said. There are two forces that made Pink Floyd who they were ... The concepts and lyrics (story-lines), and the musicians ... I have all of Rogers' work since his departure. I love all of it. PF without Roger, ... I like their work, but not as much as Roger's ... although, I listen to both and wouldn't want to miss anything they do. I also like Roger as a 'showman' ... his moves, his emphasis's, I think he's terrific. His politics, I could do without. However, more recently, he made fun of himself...
There's something on TH-cam, done in maybe the last 5 or 6 years ... That I enjoyed very much. And the 'set' ... The set was a dark + ... Two walls forming a 'cross' ... each used to receive the video ... and perfectly suited for all the audience to see ... I thought it was quite innovative ... All in all, we, the audience are the winners, for as long as they both continue to produce, and I will always be there to listen.
I think nick Mason summed up the problem perfectly “Roger doesn’t respect David”. Roger sued them and was convinced that it wasn’t pink floyd without him. The truth is it’s the 4 of them- the collective. The music and the lyrics are equally as important for pink floyd. I get that it must be hard to see your band go on without him but it was still pink floyd without Syd and therefore it’s still pink floyd without Roger- a different pink floyd but it’s still pink floyd.
Waters tried to stop the others working under the name Pink Floyd, that’s the reason for the feud. As a group of four they produced legendary music that will always be relevant. As individuals none has reached those heights. Just a shame that now they are all old they can’t push all that acrimony aside, and get on……..life’s too short!!!
Nothing screams ... I am Pink Floyd!!! like trying to legally stop the name from being used. Waters comes off like an egomaniac.
You know nothing about it at all. It's about politics, with Roger being a progressive and Gilmour being a conservative.
Terrific video. In terms of who was responsible for Pink Floyd's success, I simply adhere to the KISS philosophy. Waters was the main lyricist and conceptual artist. Gilmour was a superior vocalist, one of the greatest guitarists in rock history and along with Wright, the band's melodic heart and soul. Mason was an underrated drummer and was the glue that kept the band from breaking apart in the mid to late 70's. In terms of the Gilmour/Waters feud, I could care less about their ongoing verbal spats, but I could listen to Gilmour's post-Waters Pink Floyd and solo discography all day long.
Water's 4 solo albums are a mixed bag and sans a few songs that featured Jeff Beck on guitar, these 4 records are devoid of melody and Water's vocals are underwhelming. Gilmour is a fully formed musician (e.g., lead guitar, slide guitar, bass guitar, drums, saxophone) who places emphasis on melody and sweeping sonic landscapes. The record buying public seems to agree with my musical taste for A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON and THE DIVISION BELL both sold over 10 million copies worldwide, and Gilmour's 4 solo albums sold more copies than Water's 4 solo albums.
Complete opinionated point of view. If it’s what you believe I can’t tell you you’re wrong. Waters vocals are as unique as the person itself. The Final Cut and Amused to Death are certainly not every ones cup of tea but to those it is are considered absolute masterpieces. The different vocals in Comfortably Numb and Mother are two examples that it only works with the two together. I find David’s Floyd altogether unremarkable. Record sales don’t tell the true story. David had the name to fund sales. I saw both Waters solo tour and David’s Pink Floyd tours and Waters shows were always superior. My opinion.
A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON and THE DIVISION BELL.Two of the greatest albums ever created.
@@RichardRusiecki-ux3tc As you say, it's personal opinion. I have trouble listening to The Final Cut or any of Roger Waters solo stuff because I don't find him particularly musical. I could listen to the Gilmour/Wright sound all day, whether instrumental or lyrical song and Gilmour and Wright's voices were both better than Waters in my opinion. I think The Division Bell is head and shoulders better than anything Waters did on his own.
I agree.
In Pink Floyd I am pro-Gilmour and Wright
Styx I am pro-Dennis DeYoung.
I share your opinion and appreciate the facts you found to show a majority seems to agree with that as well.
The ego is a wild thing! in humans in general, not just these two. i'm just thankful their collaboration, no matter how challenging, lead to their music being around forever. wonderful things do not come easy.
Man ,life is too short for these kind of things!
Both are gifted musicians.
When I played full time in the 80s,we didn't always agree with the group leader,but he once said, " No musician's talent diminishes anothers."
Roger Waters is the genius but they need each other for perfect music. Both great solo but it takes two to tango
This is almost a classical fake reportage , the spirit of this weak , false time , telling again lies on political point of view of corrupted media : All the media mainstream expecially of the west showed in these last years all kind of disinformations and official fake news , but turning up side down ... they started to accuse free social to be dangerous and need to be fully controlled and censored.
A new nazism " really" is spreading in Europe ! Roger Waters is unique as rock star and musician to stand for the truth !
David Gilmour gived up this foundametal side of Pink floyd philosopy ( not just rock music) but revolutionary message by music , pictures , words !!!
I love them both, Waters made the mistake of marginalizing a talent like Gilmour & leaving the band, Gilmour made the mistake of letting his wife take shots publicly. It doesn't really matter we can all listen to any of their masterpieces at any time. It's very unlikely they would have produced anything of that quality after 1985 anyway.
I disagree with that last statement; I believe they left a lot of potential greatness to scatter to the four winds following Water’s departure.
"letting his wife take shots publicly"....Dude, she's her own person & a creative talent in her own right. I doubt someone as chill as David would be that controlling over his wife. At least, I seriously hope not.
@@kevinmeyer6427 It's not about controlling someone, It's about using discretion. It shouldn't even have to be explained to someone in her 60's or 70's.
@@thepwrjunkie7378blah, blah...
This is almost a classical fake reportage , the spirit of this weak , false time , telling again lies on political point of view of corrupted media : All the media mainstream expecially of the west showed in these last years all kind of disinformations and official fake news , but turning up side down ... they started to accuse free social to be dangerous and need to be fully controlled and censored.
A new nazism " really" is spreading in Europe ! Roger Waters is unique as rock star and musician to stand for the truth !
David Gilmour gived up this foundametal side of Pink floyd philosopy ( not just rock music) but revolutionary message by music , pictures , words !!!
Sad to hear about the feud but thank you all for the music
In the late 60s, there was a flowing of musical creativity. We are still living in its shadow. I wish the ones who made it could have stayed together. Cream reunited, Syd with Pink Floyd once again and, oh yes, The Beatles forever.
I prefer Gilmour's solo work to Roger's. David makes music. Roger always seems to be more focused on making a statement. When those two resonate you get Pink Floyd. Lennon and McCartney had a similar dynamic. George's solo stuff was the coolest IMO.
Georgie was legend! I will take David's work anyday over Roger's...plus, if we are speaking about humans, David wins by 18888 miles.
I'd take David's solo albums over Roger's solo stuff but I'd take Roger's solo stuff over Pink Floyd's two albums post roger.
You have a right to your opinion! I love Division Bell, Learning to Fly, High Hopes myself! I love On an Island and Rattle that Lock so much! David has had some awesome tunes. @@jlobiafra
Lennon and McCartney were on a different level from Gilmour and Waters. Most of Waters’ and Gilmour’s solo stuff is forgettable, while Lennon and McCartney still managed to make great music after the Beatles.
I think both can be true - I love Gilmour's solo stuff, but let's be honest - is ANYONE close to Lennon, McCartney AND also Harrison when it comes to their solo or collective work? Ringo rocks! hehe@@georgelucas2571
For me, The Dark Side of the Moon, was undoubtedly the best of all albums Pink Floyd recorded as a group.
I saw The Wall performed live at Earl's Court & got totally blown away by the musical & visual brilliance ..... It was the first live concert I ever went to & , for me, laid down the criteria & standard of how concerts should be - I have not really been impressed by many since. Even though The Wall concert was crafted back in 1980, 40+ years ago, without the stage tech that is available in the present day, it was for me an event that stood out in my youth & will forever remember.
Artists can be very difficult personalities to comprehend or to get along with, I've crossed paths with more than a few in my life. As for Pink Floyd it was unfortunate that differences between them couldn't be reconciled & the magic created together as a group was no more.
No it wasn't. You are just pulled in and brainwashed by the hype. Same concept as Sergeant Peppers from Beatles. Even 3/4 Beatles agreed it was not special and many other of their albums were better. WYWH is FAR superior.
David is by far the master driving cog in pink Floyd, have you ever heard his guitar, good God it's heavenly. There is no Floyd without David. Period.
@@eugenedevere7687from your side it wasn't but from the commenting side it was. Be more tolerant....
Meddle
Division Bell?
Lean towards David side, without picking sides “musically”. It’s unfortunate they could not continue to collaborate despite their differences as we can not even imagine what other great songs they would have produced
They did well to stay together as long as they did. The tension which may have made band so good eventually tore them apart.
I would like to introduce a third side (though probably leaning towards Gilmour) in Nick Mason via his autobiography, a masterpiece from 2005 in which he writes about the days of Pink Floyd and explains how the feud started, its various phases and finishes with Live 8. He saw the whole thing from his seat behind the drum kit, and thus I think you can say is entitled to comment.
And that is....? Or should we buy the book, read it and guess which particular thing you're referring to?
it's interesting, because it's usually the drummer that's most out of control...
Is this a Nick Mason hidey account?
@@ricrodriguez651not at all! That's the impression that drummers give, but they see, literally and figuratively, everything from behind
I can see how an autobiography can be interesting, but a "masterpiece"?
As David said. It’s hard to remain on good terms with someone when they are continually trying to fuck you up
Basically.
Very much so. Waters' petty move to sue for complete rights against the other band members does indeed merit Gilmour's guardedness of him after that case lost.
Nonsense. Roger carried David for years. Then suddenly when he wants out, David calls it "trying to fuck him up".
David Gilmore and the remaining band members carried on just fine without Roger Waters. They never needed him. Pink Floyd has given us the greatest music ever! I love all the very talented members of the group. ♥️🌹♥️
At the end of the day they are both genius in their creativity. We are lucky to get to listen to their works.
I just watched another new video of David saying he speaks quite often to Roger on the phone.
It’s easy, they love each other and hate each other at the same time, and either one of those love/hate instances occasionally rears it’s head.
I personally love music, play, voice, vision and ideas of David and listen to him, and this is not always prevented at the same time that Roger is one of the greatest artists and constant and very skilled attitudes in his music in his music The immortality .. They are very wonderful
I've been a litigation lawyer for nearly 40 years and I can tell you one thing with absolute certainty. The truth in any dispute is inevitably somewhere in the middle. They're undoubtedly both to blame in some way. The fact is that Pink Floyd created the most beautiful and lyrical rock music that has ever been recorded. Just listen to Shine On You Crazy Diamond...They all did it, together, and that music would never have existed but for the creative contribution of all of them, Waters, Gilmour, Wright and Mason (and Sid Barrett).
I do love the albums with Roger, but to me personally, David Gilmour was the best thing that ever happened to Pink Floyd!! His passion for music is just undeniable, his skills as a musician and writer are overwhelming!! I loved the way David took Pink Floyd to another level, a different but astonishing path and the band brought us so many amazing shows and albums.. it's undeniable that Gilmour maintained successfully the band without roger, and I thank him for that ❤️
This. I'm real sorry for Syd's troubles, I wish he'd had a happier life. But the hard truth is, under Syd's leadership, Pink Floyd would have been nothing but a passing mention in music history, just another 1960s acid rock band. It wasn't until David entered the band full time and took over writing duties that the Pink Floyd sound really happened. Dark Side of the Moon is not possible in Syd's Pink Floyd...
How many guitarists can make you cry just by playing a few notes? Only a handful, and Gilmour is at the top of that list.
Yes. Truth be told. If David wouldn't have come along, Pink Floyd would never be what we know with Syd Barrett
The band wouldn’t have survived without the addition of Gilmore. I love Rogers’ lyrics and his contribution musically to the band, but not a huge fan of the man-child.
and his voice... :O
For me it boils down to this; l became tired of Watters depressing lyrics that became more and more cynical , but never became tired of Gilmore's beautiful guitar playing. ✌️
We all did. I was so tired of hearing about how Rodgers father was killed in the war… constantly! There was no end to it. Very depressing. Gilmour took us out flying! I loved it and still do.
ehhh, that's what makes pink floyd for me. One of the few bands that discuss a darker side of life and mortality. No love songs here. Go listen to The Monkees if you want that. (hey, nothing wrong with the Monkees).
Don’t include me in your Gilmour wankfest. Anyone can play those guitar parts as Waters has proven with the talent he accumulated for his own bands. No one can write Floyd like Waters. Face facts: No Roger, Floyd dies when Barrett loses his fucking mind.
Eh Gilmore's solo post the wall are VERY repetitive, he basically does the same solo everytime he's gotten stale and generic atleast Roger's has the artistry to expiriment and try new things even if they don't always work out.
@@blpoole54 L can not believe that you put the best Album that was created by Roger down ,The Wall that what made Pink Floyd , That album really opened people eyes world wide to Pink Floyd
Pink Floyd is the soundscape created by Gilmour and Wright. Without that sound, there is no Pink Floyd. Their early stuff before DSOTM is also incredible. Proof that Water's lyrics were not critical to Pink Floyd. That's why the Division Bell is a Pink Floyd album whereas The Final Cut was really a Waters solo album.
Roger’s creativity was of the charts. Gillmore was a great creative musician. They were both pluses in what influenced various artists
Roger Waters wanted to compose all of the music in the studio, thus, relegating the other band members to being mere performers. It was a fatal mistake. To this day, when I listen to
David Gilmore's playing, I revel in his musical genius.
If only you could learn how to spell your hero's name..
@@pulsarlights2825, he spells it the US way not the UK way.
@@blpoole54 So you are saying his name is like color vs colour? A Surname can be changed? Maybe that why Ritchie Blackmore moved to New York...
@@blpoole54 there is no US way. He is British.
They were mere performers. After Roger left they had to hire song writers to write for them. Gimour even let his wife write the lyrics.
Pink Floyd was one of the greatest bands of all time. was.
IS,...FUCKWITT,...IS.
Sometimes I think about the huge difference between the 2 genius musicians who were the pillars of Pink Floyd. My favorite band.
So different in their personality and nature. How on earth could they even work together. How could they create this fantastic body of work . TOGETHER ???
David; good hearted, beautiful & happy person. Full of Internal harmony and tranquility.
Roger; bitter, hateful, antisemitic, complex & profoundly unhappy person.
If I had a choice to be a child of one of the two. You know who I would choose.
Grew up listening to Pink Floyd, an uncle had Dark Side of the Moon and I remember him telling me it had just been released. Up to that point music really didn't mean anything to me.
I played that album to death. Same with Wish You Were Here, fell in love with both on first hearing. The music, lyrics, the weirdly secretive members and the rumours were all Pink Floyd. They just were, and I'm really happy about that.
These are two personality types that are toxic together. We are all extremely fortunate that they were able to fruitfully collaborate for as long as they did. The main reason they can't fully reconcile is because their differing personality types are motivated by different things, and they're types that finds reconciliation difficult. Waters is the personality type that is motivated by power. The upside is that people of his kind get a lot of stuff done. The downside is that others are battered and bruised along the way. Gilmour is the altruistic, do-gooder type that believes in giving more consideration to others. His decision-making is based more on principle. If one violates that principle, there will be a negative response, undertaken in a more passive-aggressive way. In addition, they're less inclined to forget such wrongs and are more apt to have lingering hurt. Waters' type is less apt to hold on to these feelings long-term, but people like him are more apt to lash out and demand respect. The more aloof Gilmour is inclined to respond with the attitude of, 'if you're going to be a jerk and not behave fairly, I'm not going to bother with you at all.' These are the least compatible personality types together, and they're equally stubborn. Wright and Mason are both personality types that are motivated by peace, and just want to get along. There are a lot of successful relationships and marriages wherein Waters' type (motivated by power) and the motivated-by-peace types complement each other well (think of the infamous tape of Paul McCartney getting on a docile George Harrison's case -- Harrison immediately concedes just to keep the peace). This is why the conflict has always been mainly between Waters and Gilmour, who also happen to be the most creative forces in the band. It's somewhat of a miracle that Pink Floyd was able to accomplish all that they did. The thing about the David Gilmour type of personality is that they will withstand humiliation for years because they always want to give fairness the benefit of the doubt, but there will at last come a point where they will finally set up firm boundaries against someone as insufferable as Roger Waters. And once they're done with such people, they're done. Consider these two divorced, without possibility of reconciliation.
Well said.
Agreed. Gilmour inviting Bob Klose to perform on Rattle That Lock is a good example of his personality type. In an interview, Waters said that he didn't know if Klose had continued with music at all, and unlike David, he'd actually been bandmates with Klose.
You think Gilmour is a do-gooder? What a joke. I know Roger spouts off publicly on his thoughts and politics, but that doesn't tell us much about the more private Gilmour. Gilmour wants power, make no mistake about it. He wields control over Floyd very tightly and is happy to block anything Roger wants to do. If David was this mythical do-gooder, he would let Roger do some things on the Floyd website and everyone could get along. Gilmour does not do that.
Neither wants to give control to the other. If they could work together and not FOR the other it would work.
Alphas and Sigmas are a toxic mix.
Just personality-wise, it’s much easier to “side” with Dave. Also, if Pink Floyd could carry on without the genius of Syd, then Roger should have realized it could carry on without him. Having said that, I personally find post-Roger Waters Floyd to be incredibly boring. For Pink Floyd to work, it needed Roger, Dave, and Richard all working together.
Good point about them carrying on after Syd. Suddenly Waters found himself in his position all those years later! It's an interesting thought experiment - can anyone person define a band? Or is it just a label?
I respect that but for me Floyd is the combination Gilmore, Wright, Mason, with or without Roger
Without Roger, just call it Fake Floyd...Gilmour and co. kept the band going for no other reason than money...and they brought back Richard Wright as a hired hand, not even a full member...
And Nick.
Agree
don't forget david made the division bell alongwith richard without waters
Pink Floyd needed every member to be Pink Floyd. I'd like to see just some humbleness and one more album
Roger strikes me as the type of guy who thinks that without him the party won't go ahead. The man is an absolute genius, and I'll forever be grateful for his musical contributions, but his ego lets him down.
One sad story behind this long-term conflict between Roger Waters and Dave Gilmour is Richard Wright‘s death of cancer. Being the most humble, sensitive and loyal member of the band, Rick was literally torn apart between what were both friends.
Rick was NO angel... and he was no stranger to "bobbing for apples" if ya know what I mean. He also had a nasty coke ❄ habit... and not the cola.
@@harrychapin808 Rick was a sweet man who was at the core of the Pink Floyd sound. Without his jazz stylings and psychedelic eastern scales, Pink Floyd wouldn't have gone anywhere. Who cares if he had a coke habit? That was his personal issue. Also, he and David wound up getting very close over the years but remained somewhat estranged from Roger, who had consistently bullied him in Pink Floyd. He also loved his children and valued spending time with them many times more than being part of Pink Floyd.
I have no idea of what bobbing for apples means and really don't care to know about whatever you are inferring to besmirch Rick's reputation.
I'm surprised that someone with a moniker involving Harry Chapin would be so down on Rick. Harry and Rick were both unique and incredibly gifted legends.
@@rft2001 Stop...will you! I know Rick's X-wife, Frank Wright. She divorced him because he arrived back to the Greek Island they lived on with a groupie GF on his boat... and she was pregnant. He actually showed Franka the woman's pregnant stomach. Franka had just suffered her 4th miscarriage. In 1995 his new groupie-wife gave birth to their son, Ben- the year after Frank divorced him- 1994; so her story makes sense. However, Franka still lives in Wright's shadow for the sake of getting attention from PF fans. She's certainly not the brightest 🔆 bulb 💡 in the room... and doesn't have a nickel to her name. She received next to nothing in the divorce, and when she started mentioning Rick's drug habits, Gilmour became INFURIATED! He didn't want drugs being associated with the PF name. AND Wright was fired from the group (with Gilmour's appoval) during "The Wall" recordings. Bob Ezrin ( the producer), allegedly told Waters, he didn't want Wright in the studio during the sessions anymore, as he was just sitting there all wasted on drugs.. So, when Wright toured with PF he toured as a hired musician... not a member of the band. "Bobbing for 🍏 apples?" 😂 Wright was bisexual according to "you know who." Probably why he liked Greece so much. AND I wouldn't put the name, "HARRY CHAPIN " in the same sentence with the man. HAPPY CHAPIN was the salt of the Earth- the other guy wasn't. REMEMBER, all of the PF members came from upper middle class families and the parents who were WELL EDUCATED... including, "SYD." BUT "SYD" was the humble one. MASON came from a millionaire communist family. ALL members were all PRETENTIOUS NARCISSISTS except SYD). I attribute the downfall of PF to "THE Curse of Syd Barrett." 2 selfish PRICKS argued over the rights to the name, "PINK FLOYD"... that SYD created. I could go on... but I've made my point.
Waters said it best himself at his The Wall tour in 2012. He put up on the screen a picture, and told the audience "This is a picture of an assh*le. I know, because that was me 37 years ago."
But he has got worse since
I'm on the side of creativity... because they separated I got to listen to great albums like Amused to Death, and Pros and Con of Hitchhiking from Roger and David gave me Pulse, and Division Bell. David went on to collaborate with other great artist outside of Pink Floyd to give us truly special music from Warren Zevon, Kate Bush, David Bowie to name just a few. Roger worked with Jeff Beck, Eric Clapton who added their creativity to his albums. Sometimes we need to get our emotional juices flowing (anger, spit) to create something wonderful and unexpected. Looking back for them there may bee regrets, I only se my appreciation. Thank you David and Roger!
I'm just grateful for the amazing music I can still enjoy today.
When egos collide ,, another brick in your heart 😢
Gilmour and Waters, Lennon and McCartney, Marr and Morrissey, Joey and Johnny Ramone, Sumner and Hook, even Ian Anderson and Martin Barre are no longer in speaking terms. Some of the most incredible partnerships in rock have ended in personal feuds. Geniuses tend to struggle with each other, it gets to a point in which everything explodes.
Even Paul Mac would find difficulty, being on speaking terms with Lennon!
Yeah and don’t forget Sheldon and Leonard 😂
@@manofbeard and Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel
and the Oasis brothers
@@sebastiankraft9977 but with the Gallaghers only one is a genius, the other is just a pretty average singer ;)
I couldn't care less about what Waters and Gilmour think of each other...it means nothing to me ...all I do is still listen to those classic albums and never tire if it.
Richard and David sang amazingly well as a duo. Just listen to the song "Echoes"
Exactly my thought. And you know it made Roger very Jealous combined with the fact that the 2 were both charming and good looking compared to his deformed face.
Roger is behind the major masterworks of Pink Floyd. But I love even PF in the post-Waters era, as well as Roger's solo albums.
Capolavori grazie al Signor David Gilmour!
Rogers senza Gilmour non riesce a fare capolavori
No. ALL the band members were behind the major masterworks of PF. Roger just wrote the majority of the lyrics, he was a mediocre musician at best, the other 3 far surpassed him in terms of musical talent. It was a TEAM effort, but he thought he was superior and he wasn't at all.
Creative people are vulnerable, so it is better to judge them by their deeds and evaluate their views over time👍😀
I had some funny discussions with my now gone stepfather when I was younger over the fact I sided with Gilmour and he sided with Waters ; there was no reason behind my position, except the fact I had heard Gilmour "solo" and loved his music. I didn't know anything about the band history. But it kind of made me smile when I would go simply "Whatever, Gilmour is the best" - I just knew he would always bite into it, we would have our exchange, I would giggle, he would laugh at me. Good times.
After all these years, I decided to search for myself, and well...I still side with Gilmour on this.
I take no sides. I just look back to productions like "Pink Floyd - Live at Pompeii" which remind me how great they were together at one time. And their music lives on regardless of how they get along today.
I've seen Pink Floyd, with and without Roger... David and Roger solo... and, in every instance, thought the performances with David were much better. Plus, I prefer Gilmour's solo albums over Roger's and I think "Momentary Lapse" and "Division Bell" are much better than "The Final Cut". Just my two cents.
If I want to be lectured with all those left wing political ideology, the I would side with RW. But I am a simple man who just love to hear beautiful music, so I am with DG.
Yea, simple pink floyd, very passive 🙄
I think when Roger kicked Richard Wright out, the final cut, was the reason David continued the band, with Richard after Roger quit.
How people change after all of their dreams come true and have reached legendary status is just something that cannot be quantified.... I am a musician, and I have been for decades. The discussions of the " what if's" is always a popular argument.... I personally think that the people that are hurt the most are ironically the same people that built the foundations of the fame and fortune that legendary artists stand on.... the fans. I should know, I live the life....❤
Every band, every relationship, every family....goes through bittersweet times and sometimes they don't make it to the other side together, such is life. But much like a broken family sometimes they can still produce amazing miracles, like children for example or in this case ....music. And they did just that. Good looking kids I would say so good job!! Cheers.
I like your analogy here. They indeed had mighty fine children.
As (only) a casual Floyd fan, it comes across to me that Gilmour has mostly kept his (public) "powder dry" while Roger has gone off on a tangent at times, verbally machine-gunning Gilmour, the band and various other subjects. I might be wrong. It appears to me that Gilmour's dignity remains intact while Waters just may not care (how he's perceived anymore). Both are brilliant and it's a bit sad to see it carry on like this. Again...from my distance, I could be very wrong.
Dignity, now there's a word for you. In 1984 Eric Clapton was part of of the touring band Waters put together. Waters, being his acerbic self, made public comments about the megastar guitarist he had hired that can only be construed as disrespectful. Clapton, freshly clean and sober, didn't need the money (he went on to release 3 consecutive platinum records the rest of the decade, something I don't believe Waters has ever done on his own) nor the aggravation. But he had signed on to do the first leg of the tour and as a professional, quietly fulfilled his end of the bargain. Eventually Waters apologized, but I don't think his stature in Clapton's eyes could be any lower.
David Gilmour once said that if Water worked on his music half as hard as he does on litigation he would be a much more successful musician. I agree. A guy who regularly lives off a piece of work he made 44 yers ago (The Wall), can't be counted on having something musically meaningful to say.
No, I think you are correct. Roger even criticized Alan Parsons ( one of their engineers on DSOTM) for the AP Project performing a concert where Roger didn’t approve. Despite Roger being a political simpleton he should STFU and let others perform where they damn well please. Which is what I think Alan did, to his credit.
i wish the two of them would just get over it already!!! PLEASE make a song together, the world NEEDS this right now
I have been a fan of Pink Floyd for over forty years. The Mind-boggling Geniuses David Gilmour and Roger Waters, the
Uniquely Talented Richard Wright, and the Fantastic Musical Talent of Nick Mason, gave us all the VERY BEST ever,
Psychedelic Rock music. It is Most unfortunate, that D.G. and R.W. were unable to get along with each other. 🇬🇧
Roland Singh, Canada 🇨🇦
Who cares who said what or who did this or that, JUST ENJOY THE MUSIC OF ONE OF THE GREATEST BANDS EVER!!!!!!!
Typically if you leave something, especially if it's your choice, whether it's a job or a friend, it normally means you are gone and all rights to return are off the table and purely up to whoever is remaining.
It can be healthy to separate the artists from their work, and enjoy the music.
Listened to pink floyd for years. Gilmore is the man. No voice like his. And amazing guitarist
Brilliant people clash. Be proud of all the joy you have given the world. Cheers.
Roger being an arrogant grump, albeit a talented one, and Dave being a musically inspired, lyrically bereft musician/snob. Dave and Richard were the advanced musicians, Roger the lyric mill overflowing with grist. Didn’t know how good a thing they had together. Beatles also missed this amazing truth. The Stones are the most practical of all, perhaps of all time.
The Stones were boring though. They didn't create anything original but took other's ideas from blues to country to psychedelic to disco.
@@wordup897 well, it’s true their roots are the simpler blues to the more far reaching musical influences of Beatles and Floyd, but face it, they did plenty with those roots. I’m not the biggest Stones fan, but their catalog is full of very inventive melodies and subjects. The musicianship is deceptively accomplished (for rock/blues) and their ability to keep the act together is the practicality that has made them legendary artists.
The Rolling Stones are not even in the same league as Pink Floyd and the Beatles. The Stones have been together for over 60 years and they haven’t made a good album since the 70s.
@@georgelucas2571 I would disagree.
Also, simple works and if a band works, then that is not ideal, if the ideas aren´t AVANGUARD but better than no band at all.
To me, even during their peak in the 70's, David's guitar and voice have always been the most prominent part of Pink Floyd. Everyone has their own tastes though...
No one can deny that Roger Waters is Pink Floyd, the band only continued by name without him. He wrote The Wall, The Dark Side Of The Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals and The Final Cut.
The last three albums, those without Roger, have few weak moments. In fact, I find them to be excellent. And to reinforce my point, I can quite happily listen to Obscured By Clouds (an album Roger is on) followed straight away by A Momentary Lapse Of Reason. They’re different but equally excellent.
Waters thought he was the whole band, is the thing. He entirely discounted the excellent musicianship of the rest. That's a goddamn shame. Ego killed old Pink Floyd, but the trick is, Pink Floyd didn't actually NEED Roger Waters. Would have been better with him, in a more adult, enlightened form, but what we got is genuinely excellent. And I take a deep degree of shadenfreude knowing Waters will ALWAYS have to live with the success of Momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell.
Very well said, my sentiments exactly!
@matthewlawton9241 saying they didn't need him is ridiculous considering it was Roger who was the driving force behind "Dark Side of the Moon, wish you were here, animals and the Wall" all of which are Pink Floyd's most famous and acclaimed records
I've always considered there to be 4 phases of Pink Floyd. The Syd phase, the phase leading up to Darkside of the Moon where they were a balanced band, after Darkside where Rogers took over and when Gilmour picked up the pieces.
@@amandarose4469 : Yes, very interesting. I like that. And probably as accurate a way of looking at it as any…
Definitely in Dave’s camp over Roger. Dave kept the other members together and made multiple great albums after Roger’s departure, and had a run of great solo albums too. Roger had his concept album of the wall which while a commercial success, I personally see as their weakest work - with the standout exception of comfortably numb which was Gilmour’s only contribution to be allowed by Roger into the album.
After Roger left he seemed to be obsessed in breaking up the band despite their ongoing success without him, and his interactions both with the band as a public figure have been nothing short of weird. He seems to have done deep seated mental issues and a sense of unbearable hubris.
Yeah, people usually forget in this debate that the band wasn't made of two guys, but four. The fact that they continued together without 1/4 of them should be reason more than enough of a reason to tell who is "more" PF than who. The ones who disagree are Waters' fans, not PF's.
I'm clearly on David's side ! But Richard was the most underrated member of Pink Floyd !
Im on neither side. They've created something that is far bigger than the sum of its parts. I think they all have given more to music than most ever could and their fans will always love them for it. Its a shame that they cant sit back together and enjoy their fans reveling some of the greatest music ever made. Being born in 1970 they are a large part of the soundtrack of my life and Im grateful for it.
All I know is there are 243 songs that pink Floyd did and I love every single one....even the tapes that Syd did when Syd did cid..
Every time I hear comfortably numb I hit repeat .
As an entity, they are unstoppable, but on their own, they are just good musicians. No one can play the guitar like David and no one can write a lyric like Roger. I’ve enjoyed both of their solo albums, and the ‘re-imagining’ of Dark Side is actually quite good. Nowhere near the original but nothing is really. I’m not taking any sides in this feud. Prime example of what money can do.
Very few artists want to paint the same picture.
Money and *ego.*