Repeatability pretty much makes a table saw a necessity. Breaking down large panels pretty much makes the track saw a necessity. Don't choose, if you can afford it. If you can only afford one, for safety sake, buy the track saw.
Cheat cheat - You used a table to support the rip cut for the Track Saw, but no outfeed table for the Table saw. BTW I love my TS-55. There are ways to do those small crosscut's with the Track saw. Loved the video.
I really enjoyed this video, it really summed up exactly the comparison I’ve been doing before deciding to buy one because my table saw is not as useful as I thought. BUT... The cutting at 4:35 is very dangerous even with that riving knife! With short pieces, if the cut off pinches between the rear portion of the blade and fence it twists up and then sideways towards the blade taking your hand with it. The wood flies backwards into your chest while your fingers hit the saw blade.
I made that mistake two days ago with no riving knife... The piece of wood forced the saw change its angle, which fortunately didn't allow the kick back to happen but also prevented my hand from getting over the saw... That's actually the reason I'm watching this video, I don't want to use a table saw ever again... I'm too scared now, I'm still trynna get it over.
Your video is the answer to some age old question. My resolve ? You need both if you are a csrpenter. For a DIY guy I would still recommend both but maybe cheaper machines instead of profesional versions. Thanx for this awesome vid.
Freaking hilarious! Enjoyed this very much. Was able to gain some useful information AND laugh through 90% of the video. Lol. I've never seen any of your content b4... But you got a new subscriber here 👌 👍
It's a nice advert for Festool, but I've never seen anyone use a track saw on a jobsite, and I've never seen anyone use a jobsite saw, in a shop, without an outfeed table. If using an outfeed table is "cheating" because it didn't come with the saw, then throw away the sawhorses and table that didn't come with the track saw. That includes the speed square used for angle cuts, or combining two tracks to get something long enough to do the job. I would prefer using a track saw because they are much, much safer. I know pros who've lost fingers on a table saw. That's a difficult thing to do with a track saw. But I wouldn't use a track saw on finish work. This to me is like comparing a framing hammer and a finish hammer. There's some overlap but mostly different tools. And to preempt responses to my post, I'm not making my own video because I couldn't do it as well as HAXMAN. That and I think his purpose was to get people thinking about the pros and cons. Ten minutes ago I had very few comments regarding comparisons. Now I'm a subscriber.
Very Nice video (and very nice humour), the comparison between these two saws is very relevant. I agree with your analysis. I have already made my choice : the track saw. Many thanks.
On round two, you said you wouldn’t use an outfeed table with a table saw because it would be considered cheating. However you used a table to support the sheet of plywood when using the track saw. That is cheating because you’re using another tool (table) to assist the track saw to make the cut. In order to use track saw you will ALWAYS need something else to support your workpiece, whether it’s a table, sheet of foam or other pieces of lumber. The only advantage I see that a track saw has over a table saw is making tapered cuts.
My 2 cents, not hindered by any knowledge or extensive experience. A track saw, a miter saw, a reciprocating saw (for demolition) and a multitool should take care of all your homeowners diy sawing renovating needs. I don't feel you need a hella dangerous table saw as a DIYer. Your video just confirmed my thoughts.
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i'm still trying to figure out which one to get. Its probably more appropriate to consider track saws with MFT/ACS and the table saw with the outfeed for a better all round view
I went with a table saw. I already had a good circular saw so I purchased a straight edge for it (approx. $50.) Most folks that use a track saw put something under it. I've seen plywood, lumber, and styrofoam. With the cost of wood today, that stuff could add up over time. That being said, if money didn't matter, I would get both. BTW: My use is general carpentry. I mostly use the circular saw and straight edge to cut full-size sheets. I use the table saw for everything else.
Great video! I have a contractors table saw with out-feed rollers (no table yet) and was thinking a track saw would be a nice for large panels that I’m going to use to build an out-feed table. Feels like a chicken/egg situation. My healthy fear of spinning blades definitely made me cringe when I saw you making cross cuts without a sled! New subscriber!
I can make repeatable cuts over and over, small parts and large on my 20mm dog hole table with fence and dashboard hinge using a track saw. Angle cuts even better using my TSO triangle on 20mm dog hole table. My Saw stop saw stays covered in the corner unless I want to make dados. I will be selling my table saw soon.
Good info and a good laugh. I tend to agree w you. I just replaced my Ridgid rugged jobsite saw with the SawStop. And you may have just convinced me on the Festool TS 75 EQ Plunge Cut Circular Saw with 75-Inch Track! And you have another subscriber!
Cool saw an all but I think I’ll stick to the table saw. Besides having a large table that you have in your shop. Ya, i need that. Awesome video by the way.
Thanks for sharing and comparing! ...but considering the video I just watched before this was a guy building a track to use with a *circular* saw, I'd have to go with buying a table saw and building the track >_>
Fair comparison. Question, how smooth is the tracksaw cut? Smooth enough to chop out some kitchen cabinets? I just get a knot in my stomach when I look at the prices of new cabinets. Even the well respected Ikea kitchen cabinets. I figure for that kind of price I can buy a good track saw and all of the materials and still have lots left over. The question is, will the track saw do the job? I already have the basic tools including a compound miter saw, drills, sanders, etc. I just need a dang table saw but can't find the $$$$ for it.
If you have a small workshop then you need both. No question. You can't do fine woodworking with a track saw, but you totally can with a decent jobsite saw. I have the DeWalt jobsite saw and I love it. I use it nearly every day for making all sorts of joints. I'd like a bigger table, but I don't have room for it. I also have the Bosch track saw system with the big GKS 18V-68 GC which is a big big for sheet work, but nothing has stopped it so far. It is still an infinitely safer way to break down full sheets by yourself, and so easy to use, and spot on accurate. I love both systems and wouldn't be without them.
This is completely false. If you get into the ecosystem of the Festool MFT (or a Kreg ACS) then you most certainly can do fine woodworking. I even did dados with a track saw on these tables.
Can't use an outfeed table with table saw because it's "cheating"..... but allowed to raise the work on saw horses to use track saw..... not cheating... I guess.
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What do you think the score would be if in addition to a track saw, you added a router table, band saw and sliding miter saw along with a hand held router on one side and the table saw on the other. Would there have been cuts that only the table saw could make accurately? I'm asking for, ahmm, a friend who hasn't gotten into woodworking much as he would like to because when he was a kid he came this close to losing a couple of fingers when using his Dad's table saw. He would like to see if he can use other tools to make all of the cuts that most other woodworkers would use a table saw to make. Absolute efficiency isn't the main driver. He just want the resulting pieces to not look like the work of a 7 year old with a PlaySkool woodworkers play set.
I started with the TS75. I have a Bosch 4100. Good saw but not confident in using it regarding keeping my fingers attached to my hand. I have a small basement workshop but also like working outdoors or in my garage. I am considering a Sawstop Contractor Pro for when I do need a TS.
I used a 2 HP Delta Unisaw for 15 years and never was scared of hitting the blade but there is just something scarier about a jobsite saw versus a cabinet saw that made me want the Sawstop. I think you'd be happy with the contractor saw. Bigger and heavier is always better when it comes to a table saw if you have the room.
nice vid, however, I disagree on the tablesaw not being able to do jointing. I make herringbone parquets all the time with mine. You just need to do multiple fine cuts using the fence and on both sides of your piece. (with each cut the register gets more n more perfect).
I agree. I used to edge joint a lot on the tablesaw. I just had to use a jig or a long straight board attached to the fence or only joint boards as long as the fence. I remember making 10 or 20 passes to get it straight though. 😄 Thanks for watching and for the feedback!
Loved it! Thanks! I believe that track saw + miter saw would do most of the things if not all, a part from dado. Dado you can do with multiple passes of a track saw anyway, can't you? Additionally, I'm currently considering table saw more dangerous then track+miter saw.
Own both of the tools and both have their niche, its like right and left hand , table saw definitely wins in a production cuts with repeatability, I found you spend more time with track saw wiggle here wiggle there make a cut make sure the track is dead on the mark , in conclusion both are needed for a Carpentry/ renovation
Problem solved score IIII Radial arm saw I haven't see you do a cut a RAS can't do, the only one that might be track saw only is taking 2" off a 4x8 sheet anyway you look at it the track saws your best bet, unless you own a panel saw?
The best thing about table saw is making prices repetitive cuts. That nothing else can beat. Miter can for smaller pieces but not enough when making cabinets.
Loved that statement. Its rickety, and dangerous, and I don't think anyone should use it. So I'm going to sell... it. Guilty look. I'm laughing thinking somebody is picking that up because that's all they can afford and its still safer than what they would have to do instead without that table saw.
Nice video, but I laughed a bit about the cheating part with outfeed table. With this logic your track saw should have been on the floor and not on bench 😅
In the UK we don't have dados and the tables saws arbour is too small to use a dado, so for the uk, the table saw scores one less I'm afraid. I basically only use my table saw now for long thin rip cuts. I predominantly use the track saw and use an MFT for the small repeatable cuts.
Thanks! Definitely on the router, maybe on the mitre saw. It would depend on the size. The mitre saw can be pretty dangerous on small cuts. I've made plenty of sketchy cuts on one when I was too lazy to setup the table saw. 😄
If you have a room for a track saw table then you have room for a table saw outfeed table. You should build one into your table. Track saw is portable (if you need that)
Using a track saw is not very enjoyable... the track is always too long or too short then need to connect a few together and try to get it straight then sort out your dust collection and make sure you have a clear path and play the line up the track dance or attach the fiddly add-ons like the track square / parallel guides. On top of that you have to clear out a work bench and make sure you have a sacrificial backer. Finally you make a cut and oh no now you need a shorter track for the next cut. Bleh. I do have one because I had to break down a ton of sheet goods for a few projects. It does a certain job very well but given a choice I'd pick the table saw every time.
Love your content. It's useful and you seem to have a lot of fun. But, please stop putting your fingers between the blade and the fence. It makes me cringe every time. I speak from unfortunate experience. Sorry for the nanny-ish comment, but I really do care about your fingers. Hope your channel keeps having success!
It depends on if you’re building one set for yourself or doing it professionally on a daily basis. If the answer is professionally, then I wouldn’t recommend the job site or the contractor saw. They just won’t have the power and speed you need on a constant basis. I would go with the cabinet saw with 3hp. You would regret not having the extra horsepower. I would buy a used Delta Unisaw if you don’t want to put out the change the Sawstop cabinet saw costs and then upgrade to the Sawstop later. If you’re just using the saw occasionally then either the jobsite or contractor saw should perform similarly. Just my humble opinion 😉
The track saw and the table saw are two different saws for different types of cutting. Yes, there is some overlap in certain jobs, but you simply need both.
I totally forgot to do those. I would say they pretty much do angle cuts equally since the you can adjust the angle of the blade on the track saw as well.
Looking to build my first shop and walnut farmhouse table in my garage. My biggest concern is edge jointing. Which would you use (TS75 or JSS Pro) to ensure the best edge jointing? I've heard of kerf jointing using a track saw, but I'm not sure how clean the tear out is on the "throwaway" side of the cut.
I would say the TS75 will work much better for edge jointing. I don't typically use it, but the TS75 has a block you can attach to the saw to prevent tear out on the throwaway side. The track saw is really amazing at how smooth the cuts are. I've cut the face of painted cabinets that were too wide on an install and you couldn't tell. I don't know if you've used one before but think of it as an upside down cabinet saw as opposed to a circular saw. That's how smooth the cuts are.
@Bryan Trice. Hey Bryan. That is what I currently do. I bought some tracks specifically designed to create a jig for a skill saw. It "works" but it can be a pain and it is a challenge to be super accurate. The biggest challenge is securing the jig without being in the way of saw. I think Haxman's video has sparked my interest in actual getting a track saw. lol
Thanks for the video, I appreciate the information. I want to get a table saw and I’m trying to decide between the contractor version or the jobsite version. You mentioned that you used to have a bigger table saw and missed it. It’s going to be last table saw that I buy and so I want to get the right one. I don’t have a shop just a garage, that I put a car in. I want to get a contractor saw but because of space am not sure about it. I’m wondering if that is just way too much saw in general and I’m curious of your experience in using a track saw and a jobsite saw. does it meet all of your needs? Even if it took up more room would a contractor version be a better buy? I’m going to get the sawstop. I already have a track saw and a Ryobi jobsite table saw but want a safer one.
Thanks for commenting! So far, after several months, the combination of a jobsite saw and a track saw is working great. Although, if I had a shop again I would happily trade them both for a full cabinet saw. It's just so easy to throw a sheet of plywood on a cabinet saw and make fast accurate cuts. It's definitely slower using the track saw. If you have the room I would definitely go with the contractor saw, especially since you already have a track saw. I just didn't have the room. The contractor saw folds up so fast and easy, and is so easy to move around my garage/shop. I move it several times a day sometimes. I think you'll be happy with either saw, but it never hurts to have a little more power.
@HAXMAN thank you for your reply and for sharing your experience. Everything I read says the same thing that you do, get the bigger one. To be honest I really want the jobsite saw, not the contractor but I went to the dealers store today and can really tell the difference. I’ll have to do some measuring to see if a contractor saw will fit.
I found you do more operations with the track saw than table saw, mft lift the track mark your piece or set the flag stop , adjust the blade height if the materials are different thickness, put back the track cut , place the saw on a cabinet or floor open the track and so on , I dont mention the vacuum and the cord that catches at the end of the track and prevents from pushing even with the guard installed, its a amazing tool I've built a few kitchens, but I feel that you lose about 30% of your time on a track saw vs table saw
That's a really nice system. If I hadn't needed the extra cutting depth of the TS 55 I would have probably bought the Kreg saw instead. Kreg makes some really good stuff.
@@terryjones8360 The TS 55 is the same. Sorry, I typed the wrong number. I have the TS 75 that cuts to 2-3/4". I wanted to be able to joint rough-cut wood.
To do the long cut without an out feed table is stupid! Why not use the same table you used for the track saw. Just sayin'. What shop does not have a table.
Repeatability pretty much makes a table saw a necessity. Breaking down large panels pretty much makes the track saw a necessity.
Don't choose, if you can afford it. If you can only afford one, for safety sake, buy the track saw.
Cheat cheat - You used a table to support the rip cut for the Track Saw, but no outfeed table for the Table saw. BTW I love my TS-55. There are ways to do those small crosscut's with the Track saw. Loved the video.
Busted. 😁 Clearly, my rules were unfair 😜 Thanks for watching!
I guess the work space was implied when using a track saw… would you prefer he did it on the ground?
Very well done. I like the way you showcase what tasks each tool is better at, and address the storage question. Thanks.
Thank you so much!
I really enjoyed this video, it really summed up exactly the comparison I’ve been doing before deciding to buy one because my table saw is not as useful as I thought. BUT... The cutting at 4:35 is very dangerous even with that riving knife! With short pieces, if the cut off pinches between the rear portion of the blade and fence it twists up and then sideways towards the blade taking your hand with it. The wood flies backwards into your chest while your fingers hit the saw blade.
concerning 4:35: I wondered why he didn't use the miter gauge. Because what he did was really dangerous.
I made that mistake two days ago with no riving knife...
The piece of wood forced the saw change its angle, which fortunately didn't allow the kick back to happen but also prevented my hand from getting over the saw...
That's actually the reason I'm watching this video, I don't want to use a table saw ever again... I'm too scared now, I'm still trynna get it over.
He may be a little less cautious there because he’s using a sawstop table, but yeah, kinda sketchy otherwise
Track saw + miter saw is all you need :))
First and last video I’ll watch to decide which saw to purchase. Great explanation!! Perfect video!! Thanks brother!!
Wow, thanks so much!
good vid. Track Saw + Mitre Saw (sliding) is a good combo.
Thanks so much!
props for the Last of the Mohicans clip! The final 10 minute sequence is perfection!
One of my favorite movies!
Really loved this video. So comprehensive, great and fair comparisons, and appreciated the real-life scenarios. You've got yourself a new subscriber!
Thank you so much for the vid , love it so much the illustration comes perfectly with questions in my head
Your video is the answer to some age old question. My resolve ? You need both if you are a csrpenter. For a DIY guy I would still recommend both but maybe cheaper machines instead of profesional versions. Thanx for this awesome vid.
Freaking hilarious! Enjoyed this very much. Was able to gain some useful information AND laugh through 90% of the video. Lol. I've never seen any of your content b4... But you got a new subscriber here 👌 👍
Thank you so much! That means a lot to me to hear that.
It's a nice advert for Festool, but I've never seen anyone use a track saw on a jobsite, and I've never seen anyone use a jobsite saw, in a shop, without an outfeed table. If using an outfeed table is "cheating" because it didn't come with the saw, then throw away the sawhorses and table that didn't come with the track saw. That includes the speed square used for angle cuts, or combining two tracks to get something long enough to do the job.
I would prefer using a track saw because they are much, much safer. I know pros who've lost fingers on a table saw. That's a difficult thing to do with a track saw. But I wouldn't use a track saw on finish work. This to me is like comparing a framing hammer and a finish hammer. There's some overlap but mostly different tools. And to preempt responses to my post, I'm not making my own video because I couldn't do it as well as HAXMAN. That and I think his purpose was to get people thinking about the pros and cons. Ten minutes ago I had very few comments regarding comparisons. Now I'm a subscriber.
Very Nice video (and very nice humour), the comparison between these two saws is very relevant. I agree with your analysis. I have already made my choice : the track saw. Many thanks.
Thank you very much!
On round two, you said you wouldn’t use an outfeed table with a table saw because it would be considered cheating. However you used a table to support the sheet of plywood when using the track saw. That is cheating because you’re using another tool (table) to assist the track saw to make the cut. In order to use track saw you will ALWAYS need something else to support your workpiece, whether it’s a table, sheet of foam or other pieces of lumber. The only advantage I see that a track saw has over a table saw is making tapered cuts.
Good video, but I think it can be summarised by saying table saw for small pieces (joinery) and track saw for larger pieces (carpentry)
Ok the errant cockney accent by accident caused me to hit the like button. Immediately.
Thanks for the video! I have to tell you that when you broke out into your “English accent” I laughed out law. That was so funny 😂
That was super informative, and just fun too. Thanks man
Thanks! I appreciate that!
Track saw is great for long cuts on large stock, but table saw is good for repeatability.
That sums it up nicely. You can make a jig for the track saw for repeat cuts, but it is still more difficult
My 2 cents, not hindered by any knowledge or extensive experience. A track saw, a miter saw, a reciprocating saw (for demolition) and a multitool should take care of all your homeowners diy sawing renovating needs. I don't feel you need a hella dangerous table saw as a DIYer. Your video just confirmed my thoughts.
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Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I was thinking of maybe upgrading my Dewalt table saw, but the track saw just seems a better choice.
Both have their own place in a shop, but I just like how the track saw is safer and you still get a perfect cut.
i'm still trying to figure out which one to get. Its probably more appropriate to consider track saws with MFT/ACS and the table saw with the outfeed for a better all round view
I went with a table saw. I already had a good circular saw so I purchased a straight edge for it (approx. $50.) Most folks that use a track saw put something under it. I've seen plywood, lumber, and styrofoam. With the cost of wood today, that stuff could add up over time. That being said, if money didn't matter, I would get both. BTW: My use is general carpentry. I mostly use the circular saw and straight edge to cut full-size sheets. I use the table saw for everything else.
Great video! I have a contractors table saw with out-feed rollers (no table yet) and was thinking a track saw would be a nice for large panels that I’m going to use to build an out-feed table. Feels like a chicken/egg situation. My healthy fear of spinning blades definitely made me cringe when I saw you making cross cuts without a sled! New subscriber!
I can make repeatable cuts over and over, small parts and large on my 20mm dog hole table with fence and dashboard hinge using a track saw. Angle cuts even better using my TSO triangle on 20mm dog hole table. My Saw stop saw stays covered in the corner unless I want to make dados. I will be selling my table saw soon.
Good info and a good laugh. I tend to agree w you. I just replaced my Ridgid rugged jobsite saw with the SawStop. And you may have just convinced me on the Festool TS 75 EQ Plunge Cut Circular Saw with 75-Inch Track! And you have another subscriber!
Thanks so much! I'm glad to hear it!
The answer is yes - you need both
Good cabinet saw any day of the week. I only use track saw to break down sheets
1. You did not talk about kickbacks and safety.
2. Smaller cuts can be done on a mider saw.
Please add these features to you very nice video..
Wow so funny but yet informative
Cool saw an all but I think I’ll stick to the table saw. Besides having a large table that you have in your shop. Ya, i need that.
Awesome video by the way.
Track saw will always win with wide crosscuts.
Thanks for sharing and comparing!
...but considering the video I just watched before this was a guy building a track to use with a *circular* saw, I'd have to go with buying a table saw and building the track >_>
I have both. “The right tool for the job.”
Great Video! LOL and Funny!
Fair comparison. Question, how smooth is the tracksaw cut? Smooth enough to chop out some kitchen cabinets? I just get a knot in my stomach when I look at the prices of new cabinets. Even the well respected Ikea kitchen cabinets. I figure for that kind of price I can buy a good track saw and all of the materials and still have lots left over. The question is, will the track saw do the job? I already have the basic tools including a compound miter saw, drills, sanders, etc. I just need a dang table saw but can't find the $$$$ for it.
If you have a small workshop then you need both. No question. You can't do fine woodworking with a track saw, but you totally can with a decent jobsite saw. I have the DeWalt jobsite saw and I love it. I use it nearly every day for making all sorts of joints. I'd like a bigger table, but I don't have room for it. I also have the Bosch track saw system with the big GKS 18V-68 GC which is a big big for sheet work, but nothing has stopped it so far. It is still an infinitely safer way to break down full sheets by yourself, and so easy to use, and spot on accurate. I love both systems and wouldn't be without them.
This is completely false. If you get into the ecosystem of the Festool MFT (or a Kreg ACS) then you most certainly can do fine woodworking. I even did dados with a track saw on these tables.
Nice accents! I do those, too
Can't use an outfeed table with table saw because it's "cheating"..... but allowed to raise the work on saw horses to use track saw..... not cheating... I guess.
I've had so many people point out how I made the rules and broke them I'm considering running for office.
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@Cortney Nam let me clear that one up for you, the shit-store is clean out of shits to give
When to use what, rule of thumb is to look at the support to the material. Insufficient support means no go for that tool.
What do you think the score would be if in addition to a track saw, you added a router table, band saw and sliding miter saw along with a hand held router on one side and the table saw on the other. Would there have been cuts that only the table saw could make accurately?
I'm asking for, ahmm, a friend who hasn't gotten into woodworking much as he would like to because when he was a kid he came this close to losing a couple of fingers when using his Dad's table saw. He would like to see if he can use other tools to make all of the cuts that most other woodworkers would use a table saw to make. Absolute efficiency isn't the main driver. He just want the resulting pieces to not look like the work of a 7 year old with a PlaySkool woodworkers play set.
I've "dado'd" with a circular saw and a hammer. Works just fine.
You need both.
How about a video on the best clamping tools, and clamping hacks for big and small projects?
You look like Bane with the respirator on....lol!! Great video sir!!
I love your content already, can't wait for more
Thank you!
Blessed those who have both
Question, if you already have a glide miter saw (which I feel like is super easy for small cuts), is there any benefit of a table saw over track saw?
I started with the TS75. I have a Bosch 4100. Good saw but not confident in using it regarding keeping my fingers attached to my hand. I have a small basement workshop but also like working outdoors or in my garage. I am considering a Sawstop Contractor Pro for when I do need a TS.
I used a 2 HP Delta Unisaw for 15 years and never was scared of hitting the blade but there is just something scarier about a jobsite saw versus a cabinet saw that made me want the Sawstop. I think you'd be happy with the contractor saw. Bigger and heavier is always better when it comes to a table saw if you have the room.
@@HAXMAN Room is tough as I don't have a dedicated area I can have to myself that is very large.
Informative, funny, entertaining. Subbed.
nice vid, however, I disagree on the tablesaw not being able to do jointing. I make herringbone parquets all the time with mine. You just need to do multiple fine cuts using the fence and on both sides of your piece. (with each cut the register gets more n more perfect).
I agree. I used to edge joint a lot on the tablesaw. I just had to use a jig or a long straight board attached to the fence or only joint boards as long as the fence. I remember making 10 or 20 passes to get it straight though. 😄 Thanks for watching and for the feedback!
I noticed you made a dangerous cut on the table saw by cutting cross grain against the fence.
Loved it! Thanks! I believe that track saw + miter saw would do most of the things if not all, a part from dado. Dado you can do with multiple passes of a track saw anyway, can't you? Additionally, I'm currently considering table saw more dangerous then track+miter saw.
Thanks! Table saw is definitely the most dangerous but they all will eat fingers in their own special way. 😄
Yeah, I love my miter saw...cheap, efficient, relatively small and a great companion to a router and track saw.
Festool makes an adjustable dado blade
Yeah I have to agree with you on that one. I feel the same way.
I just got a track saw. Ideally I should get a table saw too which I might later on
Very funny and informative all in one :-)
Own both of the tools and both have their niche, its like right and left hand , table saw definitely wins in a production cuts with repeatability, I found you spend more time with track saw wiggle here wiggle there make a cut make sure the track is dead on the mark , in conclusion both are needed for a Carpentry/ renovation
Uh dude, you can absolutely dado on festool tracksaw. They make a dado blade. You can dado any angle etc
Problem solved score IIII Radial arm saw
I haven't see you do a cut a RAS can't do, the only one that might be track saw only is taking 2" off a 4x8 sheet anyway you look at it the track saws your best bet, unless you own a panel saw?
The best thing about table saw is making prices repetitive cuts. That nothing else can beat. Miter can for smaller pieces but not enough when making cabinets.
Back when cutting plywood into waste wasn’t out of the ordinary.
Back when lumber wasn’t a mortgage down payment to buy
Loved that statement. Its rickety, and dangerous, and I don't think anyone should use it. So I'm going to sell... it. Guilty look. I'm laughing thinking somebody is picking that up because that's all they can afford and its still safer than what they would have to do instead without that table saw.
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U are too funny! Great videos.
very helpful and entertaining. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks so much!
Love your videos keep them coming! 👍
Thank you so much!
MFT3 for angles
Nice video, but I laughed a bit about the cheating part with outfeed table. With this logic your track saw should have been on the floor and not on bench 😅
In the UK we don't have dados and the tables saws arbour is too small to use a dado, so for the uk, the table saw scores one less I'm afraid. I basically only use my table saw now for long thin rip cuts. I predominantly use the track saw and use an MFT for the small repeatable cuts.
I didn't know that. You learn something new everyday. I wonder why they don't have them in the UK. Is it a safety issue?
@@HAXMAN It's actually throughout Europe, and yes, Dado blades are banned for safety reasons.
@@Simon-Smith. really? Do people use routers to do dados?
Great video! Fun. So here’s a question for you. Could you replace your table saw with a mitre saw for small cuts and a router for the Dados?
Thanks! Definitely on the router, maybe on the mitre saw. It would depend on the size. The mitre saw can be pretty dangerous on small cuts. I've made plenty of sketchy cuts on one when I was too lazy to setup the table saw. 😄
If you have a room for a track saw table then you have room for a table saw outfeed table. You should build one into your table. Track saw is portable (if you need that)
1/4 of my shop tools are for sale. Someday I will put them on something people will see them. Someday. :)
Using a track saw is not very enjoyable... the track is always too long or too short then need to connect a few together and try to get it straight then sort out your dust collection and make sure you have a clear path and play the line up the track dance or attach the fiddly add-ons like the track square / parallel guides. On top of that you have to clear out a work bench and make sure you have a sacrificial backer. Finally you make a cut and oh no now you need a shorter track for the next cut. Bleh.
I do have one because I had to break down a ton of sheet goods for a few projects. It does a certain job very well but given a choice I'd pick the table saw every time.
Dado? Use a router connected to the track
I enjoyed that. Thank you!
Thank you so much!
Love your content. It's useful and you seem to have a lot of fun. But, please stop putting your fingers between the blade and the fence. It makes me cringe every time. I speak from unfortunate experience. Sorry for the nanny-ish comment, but I really do care about your fingers. Hope your channel keeps having success!
Is a table saw or a band saw better for those small cuts?
Super job!
Thanks!
Is the saw stop job site saw good enough for cabinet building or would I need to step up to the contractor saw?
It depends on if you’re building one set for yourself or doing it professionally on a daily basis. If the answer is professionally, then I wouldn’t recommend the job site or the contractor saw. They just won’t have the power and speed you need on a constant basis. I would go with the cabinet saw with 3hp. You would regret not having the extra horsepower. I would buy a used Delta Unisaw if you don’t want to put out the change the Sawstop cabinet saw costs and then upgrade to the Sawstop later. If you’re just using the saw occasionally then either the jobsite or contractor saw should perform similarly. Just my humble opinion 😉
The track saw and the table saw are two different saws for different types of cutting. Yes, there is some overlap in certain jobs, but you simply need both.
Thanks for the video! What about angle cuts?
I totally forgot to do those. I would say they pretty much do angle cuts equally since the you can adjust the angle of the blade on the track saw as well.
Russell Crowe doppelganger
have you heard of support rollers?
Looking to build my first shop and walnut farmhouse table in my garage. My biggest concern is edge jointing. Which would you use (TS75 or JSS Pro) to ensure the best edge jointing? I've heard of kerf jointing using a track saw, but I'm not sure how clean the tear out is on the "throwaway" side of the cut.
I would say the TS75 will work much better for edge jointing. I don't typically use it, but the TS75 has a block you can attach to the saw to prevent tear out on the throwaway side. The track saw is really amazing at how smooth the cuts are. I've cut the face of painted cabinets that were too wide on an install and you couldn't tell. I don't know if you've used one before but think of it as an upside down cabinet saw as opposed to a circular saw. That's how smooth the cuts are.
I feel like it wouldn't be too difficult to create some sort of track jig for a circular saw. Thoughts?
Very easy to do
@Bryan Trice. Hey Bryan. That is what I currently do. I bought some tracks specifically designed to create a jig for a skill saw. It "works" but it can be a pain and it is a challenge to be super accurate. The biggest challenge is securing the jig without being in the way of saw.
I think Haxman's video has sparked my interest in actual getting a track saw. lol
Am I really you’re first subscriber?!
Thanks for the videos looking forward to many more
I have a few more 😁They just don't show. Thank you so much!
Would a track saw and a miter saw go well together?
Yes. Absolutely
You need both
I agree
Thanks for the video, I appreciate the information. I want to get a table saw and I’m trying to decide between the contractor version or the jobsite version. You mentioned that you used to have a bigger table saw and missed it. It’s going to be last table saw that I buy and so I want to get the right one.
I don’t have a shop just a garage, that I put a car in. I want to get a contractor saw but because of space am not sure about it. I’m wondering if that is just way too much saw in general and I’m curious of your experience in using a track saw and a jobsite saw. does it meet all of your needs? Even if it took up more room would a contractor version be a better buy? I’m going to get the sawstop. I already have a track saw and a Ryobi jobsite table saw but want a safer one.
Thanks for commenting! So far, after several months, the combination of a jobsite saw and a track saw is working great. Although, if I had a shop again I would happily trade them both for a full cabinet saw. It's just so easy to throw a sheet of plywood on a cabinet saw and make fast accurate cuts. It's definitely slower using the track saw. If you have the room I would definitely go with the contractor saw, especially since you already have a track saw. I just didn't have the room. The contractor saw folds up so fast and easy, and is so easy to move around my garage/shop. I move it several times a day sometimes. I think you'll be happy with either saw, but it never hurts to have a little more power.
@HAXMAN thank you for your reply and for sharing your experience. Everything I read says the same thing that you do, get the bigger one. To be honest I really want the jobsite saw, not the contractor but I went to the dealers store today and can really tell the difference. I’ll have to do some measuring to see if a contractor saw will fit.
Festool do a dado blade the goes in a tracksaw
Never ever ever ever do small crosscuts like those at 4:34... Unless you have a sawstop or you want to get rid of your fingers.
With a tracksaw and MFT table you much faster with short cuts, crosscuts vs a tablesaw. I almost never use my tablesaw anymore.
I found you do more operations with the track saw than table saw, mft lift the track mark your piece or set the flag stop , adjust the blade height if the materials are different thickness, put back the track cut , place the saw on a cabinet or floor open the track and so on , I dont mention the vacuum and the cord that catches at the end of the track and prevents from pushing even with the guard installed, its a amazing tool I've built a few kitchens, but I feel that you lose about 30% of your time on a track saw vs table saw
Have you checked out the Kreg ACS2000? Take a look.
That's a really nice system. If I hadn't needed the extra cutting depth of the TS 55 I would have probably bought the Kreg saw instead. Kreg makes some really good stuff.
@@HAXMAN What is the cut depth of the TS 55? The Kreg can cut up to 2-1/8" at 90 degrees.
@@terryjones8360 The TS 55 is the same. Sorry, I typed the wrong number. I have the TS 75 that cuts to 2-3/4". I wanted to be able to joint rough-cut wood.
Safety-wise track saw wins
no blade guard?
You should be using the track saw on the ground. The work bench isn't part of the track saw tool any more than the out feed table on the table saw.
I know. I should have given more thought to my rules 😅
Wreckless with finger placement
Does the track saw come with the 8 foot table, or is that sold separately? Lol.
My rules. I can break them. 😉😁
Does the track saw cut a angle 🤔
It will cut up to a 45-degree bevel I think.
What about safety???????
What ever you do, do not eat Wheaties. You see what they did to Bruce ( Kaitlin) Jenner.
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To do the long cut without an out feed table is stupid! Why not use the same table you used for the track saw. Just sayin'. What shop does not have a table.
Russel crowe?