But for many small bumps when speeding around a berm or something your legs are shit at absorbing the bumps when a we'll set up air fork can easily smoothen it. But in most cases Ur right
@@camtwan1 depending on how high the drop is it can hurt a little. Also from the way he landed it can cause your feet to slip if you are riding clip-less peddles.
Interesting to see on almost every test there's an initial suspension and tire compression, when the tire rebounds it continues compressing the shock (and I assume inertia within the system); then there's a moment where the system goes static as the tire begins to compress again, finally there is the full compression of the shock. I suppose this speaks A LOT to tire pressure, unsprung mass and damping. Would be really cool to see if it's possible to eliminate the phenomenon, and then test the effectiveness of application to true trail situations to see if, say, traction is improved. Wonder if a foam core that compresses under initial increase of tire pressure, but takes a second or so to "re-inflate" could work as damping for the tire to minimise the bouncing effect.
They pump up the tire to a higher pressure and run inserts when making these vids. Under normal circumstances this strange behavior, hurting the eyes of people who understand what they are watching, should not occur. Compression damping of the shock is in parts rebound damping for the tire. With tires blown up to volleyball pressures there is nothing it can do ot compe with the carnage.
Josh, I like your analysis. Do you think the front fork rebound looks a bit too fast in most of these? I think having more rebound damping would be easier on the ability to keep control. And easier on his back. Look how he has to compensate for the front fork rebound shooting up whilst his body is still moving down. A more fluid movement would be better I think. Great vid. I watched it a few times at half speed.
They are mountain bikes. I’m pretty sure they are meant to be soft to have adequate traction. Further, you only see the second after the initial shock, during which they may not have returned to their normal shape.
It's interesting to see how some bikes bottom out so quickly. The single pivot and short travel bikes look especially like they bottom out as soon as you hit the ground
Most of these go to half compression when just pedaling around lmao. Anything more than a 3ft drop and top tier DH bikes bottom out from the factory. Needs them WAY oversprung even for a lightweight rider.
The more active suspensions really show the flex in these long slack bikes. The SC Hightower just about bottomed out the chain ring, and the Scalpel barely budged.
This why I stand by my 1993 Nishiki Alien, still going strong in 2021, I've had it for 4.5 years. I have no clue what number of owner I am, but I picked it up for $60 at a pawn shop, and all it needed was new ceramic brake shoes. I've replaced 2 sets of brake shoes, 2 inner tubes, a couple of spokes, 1 kmc chain, and a easy release skewer in the back axle in the 4.5 years I've owned it. Stiff rear frame for the win!
так и есть, нагрузка распределяется более равномерно и линейно что позволяет менее изнашивать детали и рычаги подвески в том числе и сам амортизатор, все остальные очень посредовательные, в конкуренты giant только сантакруз
Super interesting video. Surprising how many of the forks bind up before actually bottoming out. There are obviously a lot of issues with the drive train and suspension. Something to look forward to in the near future I'm sure. I also know why it's so easy to throw a chain without a chain guide...
This is really fascinating. It looks like the front and rear begin compressing in tandem, then at the half way point, the front compression pauses for a bit then resumes compressing. The rider compression seems to begin when the bike has no more to give. The rider looks like the sequence is knees, followed by hips, followed by lower back, followed by neck head drop. Would like to see one bike compression sequence expanded in almost a frame by frame sequence. Not sure what this means but it is certainly very interesting.
the spindrift, slash and nomad all looked the smoothest with minimal amounts of Jason buckling. the Spur for the short travel looked fairly smooth too.
can't say I enjoy the way some chains spank the floor, most probably bringing up sand/grit and then nicely crushing it all in around the cassette and sprocket, great footage! 👍
If only there was a solution to keep your chain from getting your chain from getting dirty? Funny thing is that there is? But would make all your gearing parts last longer, so you are not allowed to do that?
That spindrift was pure slowmo bike porn and that ibis at the end looked the most stiff and composed out of them all, followed closely by the slash. Awesome short vid 🤙
This was great, the axle path on the P-Train was undoubtedly the most rearward, no wonder Mike loved it. Also all the VPP/DW link bikes had a weird two stage progression through travel, I'd love to know how this feels on the trail. Quality content!
The movement of some of these rear suspension designs is really interesting, and how it reacts through the travel. Every like is a prayer for these peoples wrists/arms and legs!
hard tails due to their lack of rear suspension need to be toughened up at the back or at the very least have it so that the load is spread across the whole back or multiple parts and not focused in one area
Interesting how the SB115 suspension works. The shock compresses all the way before the swing arm moves thru it’s travel with the final bit of travel being the shock itself pivoting downward.
Me after watching: goes online shopping to search for any of these. And didn't add to cart because it's expensive. Me: back to reality of check how broke i am af.
Funny to see the Hanzo and the Scalpel next to each other. That Rockshox Recon had some serious flex, but the Lefty Ocho was solid pretty much the entire time, and it's half a fork compared to the Recon. Cannondale is doing some seriously amazing things.
1:33 looks like Trek Remedy 8. The rear tire did not compress to rim. Seems like a great system I see now it’s the slash. How much difference is their in rear suspension between this and Remedy 8
@@yorkshirelad3133 I’d be interested in seeing a carbon vs aluminum frame (of the same bike) version too! Frame flex and how/if it impedes front fork progression 🤔
The back suspension rolls the back wheel forward on impact, this is excellent strategy to dissipate energy. They teach parachuters to roll upon ground impact on botched landings to minimize further damage.
Yeah. At first, I thought that forcing an aluminum welded joint to flex where a bearing pivot should have been was poor engineering. But then I saw that the "seatstay" or flex stay flexed only just a little made me think that the engineers probably designed it where it never got past the material's acceptable flexing. But only time will tell I guess.
I'm riding a stance right now and no matter how much it's bashed online the thing has been amazing. It climbs well and takes big hits smooth. Obviously I want to buy a nicer bike eventually but for the money I have 0 complaints.
Perfect, thanks. Now i understand chain tension, how the frame suspension progressiv and liniear works, and interesting to see these flat tyres ( i mean normal preasure, but heavy impact )
I was so stoked to see the epic @ 0:48 seconds... it held up so well for what that bike is. I can imagine the rider went slightly easier on it though but it still was great to see, I weigh like 155lbs so for me its not a huge issue about worrying if I can break the frame or whatever and ive talked to people who have heard of the frame breaking but seeing how well it did made me happy. GREAT VIDEO GREAT VIDEO 10/10
The best suspension is still the legs. Best engineering ever.
True
i'm getting a rigid mtb
@@acyutanandadas1326 hard tail is better
But for many small bumps when speeding around a berm or something your legs are shit at absorbing the bumps when a we'll set up air fork can easily smoothen it. But in most cases Ur right
Until you dislocate it.
0:12 grim donut
0:18 norco shore
0:24 trek supercaliber
0:28 YT Jeffsy
0:34 propain spindrift
0:38 canyon lux
0:45 Specialized epic
0:50 commencal meta tr
0:58 rockymountain altitude
1:02 specialized epic again
1:08 santacruz hightower
1:13 specialized stumpjumper
1:18 Vitus mythique
1:23 actofive p train
1:34 trek slash
1:43 revel ranger
1:50 Kona honzo
1:57 cannondale scalpel
2:03 santacruz nomad
2:10 giant trance x
2:16 yeti sb115
2:24 giant stance
2:30 cannondale scalpel again
2:36 salsa blackthorn
2:43 norco torrent
2:50 calibre bossnut
2:55 transition spur
3:03 ibis mojo
Hope someone finds this useful!
Not all heroes wear capes bro! Thanks
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@@buzzlomit shows the name of them every single time. ?
너무 유용합니다 ^^
@@KarstRats I added the time stamps so people can easily find and jump to specific bikes in the comments.
Next video 28 Walmart bikes bottomed out in ultra slo mo , with a list of the 5 which survived
Lmao good one
@@dawsonmacie6984 hell yeaaaa
If any do survive
@@epicmountainbikeclips5573 so we could bet how many, or if any
Man I would pay to see that. Then all will realized the engineering behind these 5 -10k bikes
1:50 the hardtail pain xD
@@xyrpkob1514 that would still hurt a lot
@@squiddysquidster802 I mean, I assume you’re older because its really not that bad jumping to flat on a hardtail
@@camtwan1 depending on how high the drop is it can hurt a little. Also from the way he landed it can cause your feet to slip if you are riding clip-less peddles.
lmao
@@squiddysquidster802 Only ride hardtail an jumped off big drops never hurt meself all im saying
" No Jason Was Hurt During The Event "
**sad jason noises**
RIP ankles
Turkmusn lan
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2:36 so cool to see the bars flex on the Salsa
The frame flex on the Norco after it tho
@@CalebKussmaul ye but the Norcos steel so it's made to flex to comfort the ride
@@CalebKussmaul Which parts ?
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@Ezra Redgwell There's two Norco bikes in this list, the torrent tested is steel, the Shore is aluminum.
Interesting to see on almost every test there's an initial suspension and tire compression, when the tire rebounds it continues compressing the shock (and I assume inertia within the system); then there's a moment where the system goes static as the tire begins to compress again, finally there is the full compression of the shock. I suppose this speaks A LOT to tire pressure, unsprung mass and damping. Would be really cool to see if it's possible to eliminate the phenomenon, and then test the effectiveness of application to true trail situations to see if, say, traction is improved. Wonder if a foam core that compresses under initial increase of tire pressure, but takes a second or so to "re-inflate" could work as damping for the tire to minimise the bouncing effect.
They pump up the tire to a higher pressure and run inserts when making these vids. Under normal circumstances this strange behavior, hurting the eyes of people who understand what they are watching, should not occur. Compression damping of the shock is in parts rebound damping for the tire. With tires blown up to volleyball pressures there is nothing it can do ot compe with the carnage.
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Josh, I like your analysis. Do you think the front fork rebound looks a bit too fast in most of these? I think having more rebound damping would be easier on the ability to keep control. And easier on his back. Look how he has to compensate for the front fork rebound shooting up whilst his body is still moving down. A more fluid movement would be better I think. Great vid. I watched it a few times at half speed.
I think alot of what is being seen here is also the riders weight transfer during the landing.
It appears some of that my be due to the rider hitting the brakes upon landing
“Tyre Pressure Has Left the Chat...”
Terrible joke... Because it hasn't
@@SylasTheGreat yeah it did r u blind dummy
Had you ever had a bike ?
@@julianvogel1048 yes no shit it comes back
@@SylasTheGreat momentarily
Crabsolutely fascinating to see all the different styles of rear suspension and see them work
Crazy to see how short the wheelbase gets on some of these when compressed. The Hightower specifically was wild to watch.
Kind of a disappointing design, considering all the hype and the price for one of those...
that significant forward motion of the rear wheel can't be a good thing
High pivot suspension suddenly makes sense
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1:07
2:17 dayum that yeti looks clean!!!
Take it with a gain of salt. All depends on suspension settings and rider/bike speed and positions on impact.
Slowmo moves up everything to epic level
*Specialized Epic 😉
It doesn't bring you grammar up to epic level.
Still exceeds your cognitive functions ;)
@@woo_kash nice to see you edited your mistake
@@TristanB415 what is your problem, is it just low self esteem? Go find a girlfriend to release that stress.
"Yes sir I want to test drive this bike before I buy it, where's the nearest cliff?"
I'd be great to know the tire pressures. It seems that the rear pressure is consistently too low
They are mountain bikes. I’m pretty sure they are meant to be soft to have adequate traction. Further, you only see the second after the initial shock, during which they may not have returned to their normal shape.
I could watch this all day! 😅🤘
It's interesting to see how some bikes bottom out so quickly. The single pivot and short travel bikes look especially like they bottom out as soon as you hit the ground
Most of these go to half compression when just pedaling around lmao. Anything more than a 3ft drop and top tier DH bikes bottom out from the factory. Needs them WAY oversprung even for a lightweight rider.
The more active suspensions really show the flex in these long slack bikes. The SC Hightower just about bottomed out the chain ring, and the Scalpel barely budged.
Thanks for putting the most important bike of the year first! Pinkbike got their priorities straight!
@@vLef1 You can see that headtube just waiting to snap off 😂
@@vLef1 and comfortable as fuck and stable as fuck.
Grim Donut was the only bike whose chain hit the floor
This why I stand by my 1993 Nishiki Alien, still going strong in 2021, I've had it for 4.5 years.
I have no clue what number of owner I am, but I picked it up for $60 at a pawn shop, and all it needed was new ceramic brake shoes.
I've replaced 2 sets of brake shoes, 2 inner tubes, a couple of spokes, 1 kmc chain, and a easy release skewer in the back axle in the 4.5 years I've owned it.
Stiff rear frame for the win!
Dh bikes edition pls. That'd be sooo epic
make it happen
plz
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i really want to see the demo suspension fully compressed
@@dpounder101 buy it
@@bruh-co8nf i bought a 2012 demo 8 2 two weeks ago. thats kinda why i want to see it in slow mo
1:50 is the hard tail BEST at distributing the impact to BOTH wheels ?
I see full sus nearly crush the rear while the front is not even compressed.
I think so, I also think the risk here is that depending of the quality of the frame it could literally break in half (talking about a hardtail) l
Me watching testing of bikes i can't afford-
"Ah, cool, that one great, & that has the worst fork"-_-
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I find the rear shock placement on the giant trance so cool for some reason
так и есть, нагрузка распределяется более равномерно и линейно что позволяет менее изнашивать детали и рычаги подвески в том числе и сам амортизатор, все остальные очень посредовательные, в конкуренты giant только сантакруз
Look at the different amount of flex in the handlebars! Thats what I find most educating here!
Specialized S Works Stumpjumper did quite well at distributing that impact. Some of them immediately bottomed out and even flexed a bit.
if this isn't the most satisfying thing in the world, i don't know what is.
I know right... I went a full two minutes as if hypnotized 😂🤣😂 mouth agape
the sound of skateboards snapping
It is but then I realize I could only afford 2of the 28 bikes and it is no longer satisfying
DH edition would be more satisfying.
Nice shot video but to me this was very painful to watch.
Super interesting video. Surprising how many of the forks bind up before actually bottoming out. There are obviously a lot of issues with the drive train and suspension. Something to look forward to in the near future I'm sure. I also know why it's so easy to throw a chain without a chain guide...
This is really fascinating. It looks like the front and rear begin compressing in tandem, then at the half way point, the front compression pauses for a bit then resumes compressing. The rider compression seems to begin when the bike has no more to give. The rider looks like the sequence is knees, followed by hips, followed by lower back, followed by neck head drop. Would like to see one bike compression sequence expanded in almost a frame by frame sequence. Not sure what this means but it is certainly very interesting.
Is the air less in the tyres ?
Crazy they bring out that band to play during each one of these.
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Jeffsy putting in work! Love the progressivity!
the spindrift, slash and nomad all looked the smoothest with minimal amounts of Jason buckling. the Spur for the short travel looked fairly smooth too.
Weirdly satisfying to watch.
can't say I enjoy the way some chains spank the floor, most probably bringing up sand/grit and then nicely crushing it all in around the cassette and sprocket, great footage! 👍
If only there was a solution to keep your chain from getting your chain from getting dirty?
Funny thing is that there is?
But would make all your gearing parts last longer, so you are not allowed to do that?
@@Aljonone1 🤣 good call
@@Aljonone1 If there's a solution, please provide a link.
@@marcalvarez4890 chain waxing mate. Oz cycles has a whole load of stuff on it. Basically great on anything that isn't endless rain
I think only the Grim Donut really slapped the floor. A few bikes were very close and would pick up dirt on a different surface
The fact that you have this many amazing bikes is insane
I found myself more focused on Jason's face/grimace. He's definitely taking one for the team.
No one:
The chain: WORM
Worried the Grim Donut would snap
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Time to bring back Josh bender
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Thought it would snap the fork
Frame won't snap if it's designed that way. I was worried about that Lyrik fork 😬 the stanchions could've snapped in half 😬😬
yasss not bullshit talky talky. just what we're all here for
2:34 this Salsa
2:42 Finally some harcore hardtails in these vids
More hard tails please
Check out the flex in the head tube on that chromo Norco
Lets goooo
Propain spindrift handled it Like a Boss 👏🏻👌🏻
Agreed, that was my choice.
The Propain suspension was so beautiful to watch, it's so interesting compared to the cookie-cutter designs seen in most of the rest.
agreed propain definitely stood out for the better
So many badass bikes here... man I love Mountain Bikes!
SOOOOOO satisfying 😍😍😍
Bro the head angle on the Grim Donut is insane
My gawd the grim looked like it’s head tube was gonna just say “bye bye”
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Rear derailer spring really sucks… see how it opens up and drops the chain?
I’m really impressed by the lefty!!! It didn’t flex as much as expected
Last one is the best 😍😍😍
That fork flex is just amazing!! Grim donut was by far the scariest!!
not for me.. just look at 1:23 and compare ;)
@@geesus3524 Yeah, that one was pretty bad too. Might just be the rake of the Donut that makes it look so much worse to me. Good stuff!!
That spindrift was pure slowmo bike porn and that ibis at the end looked the most stiff and composed out of them all, followed closely by the slash. Awesome short vid 🤙
How in the world does the head tube/fork of the grim doughnut not just snap straight off?
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Right !
La grim donut es una bicicleta de fabricación en masa?
I love watching Jason be in agony for three and a half minutes
Cannondale and S-Works was most DEFINITELY the very BEST
This was great, the axle path on the P-Train was undoubtedly the most rearward, no wonder Mike loved it.
Also all the VPP/DW link bikes had a weird two stage progression through travel, I'd love to know how this feels on the trail.
Quality content!
What is even more impressive is the compression in the knee joint in the shots where he has no shorts and no knee guard.
I love these Vids!
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Hell! Yeti absorbed all the impact and more 0:28
The movement of some of these rear suspension designs is really interesting, and how it reacts through the travel. Every like is a prayer for these peoples wrists/arms and legs!
The Norco Shore looked the smoothest. Love these videos.
imo the Commencal Meta and the Propain Spindrift were the best! The Jeffsy looked extremely stiff for the aluminum frame
Chain ground slap on the Grim Donut! Watched it a couple of times and no other bike achieved it. Trek slash and ibis mojo were close
I first saw the video I thought this was a grim donut vid
I think the Propain spindrift is the coolest, though I do like my Hightower V2. Would love to see an Evil drop.
I see this as a video of how each suspension system works.
Glad to know that they included hardtails, which surprisingly the frames didn't crack 😂
As in the name, hard tails are H A R D
They are cat 4 hardtails, no XC, and the Norco has a Cromoly frame
hard tails due to their lack of rear suspension need to be toughened up at the back or at the very least have it so that the load is spread across the whole back or multiple parts and not focused in one area
00:40 - that fork is damaged?
How
Is the front grim donut fork too tilted, will it break if you drop it higher?
Inteesting... maybe I’ve missed it, but... something wrong with the Scott brand?
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The only "bottomed out" I've ever done was me trying to do a wheelie when my chain fell.
*Boom the End*
Interesting how the SB115 suspension works. The shock compresses all the way before the swing arm moves thru it’s travel with the final bit of travel being the shock itself pivoting downward.
clearly some of them handle it better than others :) and some looked like the chain was about to dismount heh
Can you please make a edition with Downhillbikes? Could be interesting
More like 28 bike manufacturers you’ve never heard of. Thanks for vid
Me after watching: goes online shopping to search for any of these. And didn't add to cart because it's expensive.
Me: back to reality of check how broke i am af.
Funny to see the Hanzo and the Scalpel next to each other. That Rockshox Recon had some serious flex, but the Lefty Ocho was solid pretty much the entire time, and it's half a fork compared to the Recon. Cannondale is doing some seriously amazing things.
Me: Hucks hardtail to flat
dies.
1:33 looks like Trek Remedy 8. The rear tire did not compress to rim. Seems like a great system
I see now it’s the slash. How much difference is their in rear suspension between this and Remedy 8
I didn’t expect such a jerky motion out of the front forks!
just shows how the slack angles really impede the way they compress
@@yorkshirelad3133 I’d be interested in seeing a carbon vs aluminum frame (of the same bike) version too! Frame flex and how/if it impedes front fork progression 🤔
@@BikingwithJP yeah for sure, there's so much happening which you don't realise until it's replayed at 1000fps
The slack angles aren't meant to work on flat ground.
@@GRPABT1 exactly! And why it’s important to buy the right bike for the type of riding you are doing 🚵♂️
Many designs of the rear suspensions. Surprised they haven't settled on one best design. Is there a best? I ride hardtail
There is no best overall, some work for flowtrails, some for uphill and some shine on hard descends.
The back suspension rolls the back wheel forward on impact, this is excellent strategy to dissipate energy. They teach parachuters to roll upon ground impact on botched landings to minimize further damage.
1:22 Man, he beat those forks like they owed him money.
Grim Donut is an accurate name. It's exactly what the rider will be when they get impaled by the top tube after the fork snaps off of it.
The music makes this so much more epic.
The spokes though, they are tough🔥
The chain basically slapping the ground on most bikes is amazing to watch.
Grim Donut actually made ground contact
The Stance surprised me in a good way.
Yeah. At first, I thought that forcing an aluminum welded joint to flex where a bearing pivot should have been was poor engineering.
But then I saw that the "seatstay" or flex stay flexed only just a little made me think that the engineers probably designed it where it never got past the material's acceptable flexing.
But only time will tell I guess.
The Trance X looked rock solid as well.
I'm riding a stance right now and no matter how much it's bashed online the thing has been amazing. It climbs well and takes big hits smooth. Obviously I want to buy a nicer bike eventually but for the money I have 0 complaints.
Perfect, thanks. Now i understand chain tension, how the frame suspension progressiv and liniear works, and interesting to see these flat tyres ( i mean normal preasure, but heavy impact )
I think a few got pinch flat tho
@@skoovee not a problem on tubeless though which i suspect most of these are
I like seeing some of the frames tweak and bend. Craziness! These are all enduro tho right? How about some DH?
a bunch of these were xc bikes. the epic, the yeti 115 and a fe others are short travel
Its difficult to appreciate how much your bike actually works for you at real speed
OOOOOOHHHHH THATS WHY MY CHAIN IS SO DIRTY ALL THE TIME!
great video! the chain slopping around and the rear tire compression is great!
Everyone: Looking at suspension, chain, or tires
Me: Looking at fork flexing forward and back in addition to part of the frame
We all watching that sorry
How big is the drop? Not shown at all. Did they jump from 10 floors up?
I swear the tires look like they're out of air every time they land.
Ya
I was so stoked to see the epic @ 0:48 seconds... it held up so well for what that bike is. I can imagine the rider went slightly easier on it though but it still was great to see, I weigh like 155lbs so for me its not a huge issue about worrying if I can break the frame or whatever and ive talked to people who have heard of the frame breaking but seeing how well it did made me happy. GREAT VIDEO GREAT VIDEO 10/10
I'd love to see you do this with Motocross and all the different brands 2021
Can I know the reason behind reason behind using the BRAKES during landing?...
This is a great Cush Core advertisement.