Interesting to hear good things about Ideal heat pumps, but it seems they only have a 2 year warranty. Vaillant give you 7 years. As a relatively new player in the heat pump market, you would have thought Ideal would at least try and compete on warranty.
Similar over here, I queried about a Daikin system over here with my installer, they basically said whilst the kit is great and they can install it, their Engineer Support in Sweden is awful, so would advise against it, which I took their advice on. Given that there are no Daikin's in my local area either, it would seem it's not just my installer that recommends against them on that basis. I've seen a UK video where the Daikin Engineering support has been tested and it's been good.
What is the thought on the Cheaper Chinese Heat Pumps. I have a Phnix R290 Heat Pump and it has been very reliable no issue so far with 2 years running. I think Graham had one of these on test.
No backup for over 10 years has made me learn and understand my system & do my own service and a few mods. Agents for other brands refused to work on it. Interesting to hear your name and shaming. Spot on.. there must be many like me with a good enough unit but no backup. Thanks for all the sound reviews and advice.
Awesome. Really valuable information for prospective buyers. This sort of opinion from a range of experts is gold dust for buyers. For those of us who have an ASHP, it can provide reassurance, or not... depends on what you bought! For us, I found it comforting.
Shocking Daikin didn’t get a mention. This conversation is too biased. Everyone is talking about the units they’ve installed and have a business partnership with.
I don’t have a heat pump and I’ve just discovered this channel so I will have a look at back videos you there is some , having watched this video a question I would of liked to hear is the actual cost of running the heat pump , having watched quite a few heat pump related videos and most are focused on temperature and the efficiency of a particular unit or brand along with the many graphs with all sorts of data , obviously depending on the size of house and how many rooms etc one would think that from a household perspective it would be nice to see a graph of the actual running cost of each unit from a electricity usage stand point , taken into consideration what tariff one is on along with the supplier one has = understand there’s many variables but to have it in a table format and to give a ballpark figure would be helpful along with a rating as many white goods have with efficiency of the actual unit .
You could do that yourself pretty easily by starting with your current annual energy use (from your gas bill), knock 10% off for your boiler efficiency, divide by the SCOP of the heat pump and multiply by the cost of electricity. It will probably be pretty close to your current bill. The only part of that equation that is applicable to everyone is the SCOP of the heat pump, so that's what they publish. There's usually a range of values depending on flow temperature, and that's where the installer is so important. Fitting some extra or larger radiators will let you run at a lower flow temperature and make the same device more efficient, but you have to balance the extra up-front costs vs the annual savings.
So playing devils advocate, why were heat loss calcs not done properly with gas boilers? My gas boiler is a small 15kw model, I see some at 35kw! No wonder they want to change. If I insulate my house a bit better a 5-7kw gas boiler would be fine then. Ok it is old but that was my point. On another angle I can buy a good inverter drive modulating, quiet heat pump 16kw for a swimming pool for as little as £1700. So why are these units domestic heat pumps so expensive? Saving £300 per year they say, so 9-10 years to break even and by then needing to buy another unit as its worn out, gas boiler still going 23 years! I need convincing! Great video though. Why dont all manufacturers put the fan in front of the coil, oh because so called designers copy one another and thats how its always been done innit. Pushing air is a lot more efficient than pulling air. Take the designers round the bike shed and give them a good kicking, they are just like naughty children copying homework 😂
Part L since June 2022 requires Gas boiler installs to have heat loss calcs done, and sized for a max flow temp of 55C. So it's been a long standing issue that's been recognised, and is kinda being fixed.
How do you test test your antifreeze is sufficient without having to spend a fortune on calling in an installer who turned up with a screwdriver to do the service again.Government Grant installation they don’t care.?Need special tool got it Refractometer haha,just fishing.Grant Aerona 3.MCS fitted. Snap on or Draper you get what you pay for simple.
Another terrific episode. I think aesthetics will (slightly) impact my decision. A big brand name like Vaillant would also give my some reassurance.
Interesting to hear good things about Ideal heat pumps, but it seems they only have a 2 year warranty. Vaillant give you 7 years. As a relatively new player in the heat pump market, you would have thought Ideal would at least try and compete on warranty.
Similar over here, I queried about a Daikin system over here with my installer, they basically said whilst the kit is great and they can install it, their Engineer Support in Sweden is awful, so would advise against it, which I took their advice on. Given that there are no Daikin's in my local area either, it would seem it's not just my installer that recommends against them on that basis.
I've seen a UK video where the Daikin Engineering support has been tested and it's been good.
What is the thought on the Cheaper Chinese Heat Pumps. I have a Phnix R290 Heat Pump and it has been very reliable no issue so far with 2 years running. I think Graham had one of these on test.
We need some way to tag heat pump discussions by their market
Thanks for the comment. Please elaborate.
No backup for over 10 years has made me learn and understand my system & do my own service and a few mods. Agents for other brands refused to work on it. Interesting to hear your name and shaming. Spot on.. there must be many like me with a good enough unit but no backup. Thanks for all the sound reviews and advice.
Thoroughly enjoying these episodes, lots of different topics and a range of people from the industry weighing in.
Awesome. Really valuable information for prospective buyers. This sort of opinion from a range of experts is gold dust for buyers.
For those of us who have an ASHP, it can provide reassurance, or not... depends on what you bought! For us, I found it comforting.
Glad it was helpful, and thanks for watching!
Daikin didn't even get a mention 😮
Indeed. We'll probably do another one of these in the future and see if any other brands get a shout out.
Shocking Daikin didn’t get a mention.
This conversation is too biased.
Everyone is talking about the units they’ve installed and have a business partnership with.
I don’t have a heat pump and I’ve just discovered this channel so I will have a look at back videos you there is some , having watched this video a question I would of liked to hear is the actual cost of running the heat pump , having watched quite a few heat pump related videos and most are focused on temperature and the efficiency of a particular unit or brand along with the many graphs with all sorts of data , obviously depending on the size of house and how many rooms etc one would think that from a household perspective it would be nice to see a graph of the actual running cost of each unit from a electricity usage stand point , taken into consideration what tariff one is on along with the supplier one has = understand there’s many variables but to have it in a table format and to give a ballpark figure would be helpful along with a rating as many white goods have with efficiency of the actual unit .
You could do that yourself pretty easily by starting with your current annual energy use (from your gas bill), knock 10% off for your boiler efficiency, divide by the SCOP of the heat pump and multiply by the cost of electricity. It will probably be pretty close to your current bill.
The only part of that equation that is applicable to everyone is the SCOP of the heat pump, so that's what they publish. There's usually a range of values depending on flow temperature, and that's where the installer is so important. Fitting some extra or larger radiators will let you run at a lower flow temperature and make the same device more efficient, but you have to balance the extra up-front costs vs the annual savings.
So playing devils advocate, why were heat loss calcs not done properly with gas boilers? My gas boiler is a small 15kw model, I see some at 35kw! No wonder they want to change. If I insulate my house a bit better a 5-7kw gas boiler would be fine then. Ok it is old but that was my point. On another angle I can buy a good inverter drive modulating, quiet heat pump 16kw for a swimming pool for as little as £1700. So why are these units domestic heat pumps so expensive? Saving £300 per year they say, so 9-10 years to break even and by then needing to buy another unit as its worn out, gas boiler still going 23 years!
I need convincing! Great video though. Why dont all manufacturers put the fan in front of the coil, oh because so called designers copy one another and thats how its always been done innit. Pushing air is a lot more efficient than pulling air. Take the designers round the bike shed and give them a good kicking, they are just like naughty children copying homework 😂
Part L since June 2022 requires Gas boiler installs to have heat loss calcs done, and sized for a max flow temp of 55C. So it's been a long standing issue that's been recognised, and is kinda being fixed.
How do you test test your antifreeze is sufficient without having to spend a fortune on calling in an installer who turned up with a screwdriver to do the service again.Government Grant installation they don’t care.?Need special tool got it Refractometer haha,just fishing.Grant Aerona 3.MCS fitted.
Snap on or Draper you get what you pay for simple.
Sorry one long advertisement for the installers