I never thought about that, that makes so much sense! That's kind of why even the pirates at the beginning got passed up and forgotten, quitters never win, winners never quit 💪💪💪
@@august6281 I think crocodile did used arnament haki, like how he made different weapons by hardening the sand. That time the concept of haki wasn't introduced so ..... rest you know
If we’re counting Zoro’s losses to Kuina shouldn’t we also count Luffy’s losses to Ace and Sabo? That would make Ace’s win-loss ratio a little better at the very least. On top of that it would also make Luffy have lost way more than the other three.
Since Luffy fought 100 times a day and lost all of those fights, assuming he and Ace continued after Sabo's death, that would be 7 years (since Ace left at 17 years old) which would actually put Luffy's losses as a child at 255,600. That's without counting losses against bandits, animals, or even Garp.
If we're counting Ace's losses against Whitebeard and Zoro's losses against Kuina, we should count Yamato's losses against Kaido too - she would likely be near the bottom of the list
To be fair, I think that the fight between Smoker and Ace in Alabasta concluded in a tie. Their Devil Fruit powers had very similar nature, so they both just couldn’t harm each other in any way…
I feel like Jack won against Inu and Neko on Zou. Ppl forget Inu and Neko were fighting in rotation and were able to take breaks meanwhile Jack was fighting for days straight until he pulled out the gas.
@@catalyst.4664 I mean we've seen characters fight for days on end. Akainu and Kizan fought for 10 days straight and Ace and Jimbei fought for 5 days straight.
@@catalyst.4664 iirc, they actually said that jack was the only one that didn't seem to be losing any ground in the fight, and it was either mentioned or implied that he kept fighting nonstop.
I completely agree with Liam's analysis of Gecko Moria, his DF is arguably one of the most powerful paramecia's (and I would personally argue it is an upgraded version of Big Mom's fruit), and his backstory is an exceptionally tragic one which serves as a cautionary tale for what Luffy may become if he is broken by his experiances in Sabaody and in Marineford. In my personal opinion, if Moria was presented in a similar manner to Baron Omatsuri (from Movie 6) then he would be one of the most popular villains in OP.
I would argue that Big Moms fruit is an upgrade of Morias fruit... because when big mom takes a soul out, he can kill the person already, with no sun needed. she can give it to objects and not just corpses, she can take parts and not like Moria that take the entire shadow or no shadow at all...
@@PROPAROXITONO Oh absolutely there are some aspects of BM's devil fruit that are superior to Morias. Like you said, the easier activation condition and killing requirement. These are the aspects where BM's DF is superior. Both DF allow the user to make an army (with objects/creatures vs. Corpses) and both allow the user to absorb the soul/shadows to gain immense strength. In these aspects the fruits are roughly equal. However, Moria's DF has a bunch of abilities that BM's doesn't. Including teleportation, the ability to alter the shape of objects, the ability to shape shadows into attacks and barriers, and (most importantly) the ability to replicate the skills of the person whose shadow you have absorbed. That final ability is utterly insane and broken if put to the rught use. Unfortunately, this fruit suffers from a terrible user who never used it to it's fullest potential. Big Mom is 100% a better fruit user and a stronger combatant (even without the DF) but Moria's fruit (on paper) has a bunch of abilities that (in my opinion) make it superior. Thanks for hte discussion, I really like this.😄
I would also argue that Moriah fruit is one of the greatest in the series! Think about it's potencial, with his ability to alter Shadows of living beings, he could alter HIS Shadow in order to copy some paramecia powers. (Examples being: Hana Hana no Mi, Bari Bari No Mi, etc) Not only that, if he can change the Shadows of inanimate objects, (For example, Houses, Ships, Even islands) his power would be utterly overpowered, as he could change a massive island size to fit in his pocket, then he would throw the island at a opponent and make the island return to it's original size. Kage Kage no Mi has so much potential man...
@@TheAnimeXIII I would not say that Big Mom's fruit has an easier activation requirement. Because it needs the target to be afraid of the wielder. The Kage Kage no Mi? No fear required, just grab a person's shadow and rip it.
Don't think whitebeard doesn't really count for Ace as it wasn't really a fight for whitebeard and more like having his son learn the hard way, same as Ace did with Luffy and Sabo when they were fighting.
You're right about how Whitebeard saw it, but I don't think that's a point in Ace's favor. Just the opposite in fact. Whitebeard not even seeing it as a fight makes it an even bigger L for Ace each time IMO, because if the person you're attacking doesn't even see your attempted attacks as a threat, but more of a learning experience for you, then that speaks volumes to just how outclassed you are in the fight you picked. Now if it was the other way around and it was Ace that wasn't really trying to fight WB, meaning that it was more of a sparring/training session to both parties, then I'd agree with you. But Ace WAS trying to beat WB and failing spectacularly on each attempt.
Kaido defeated Luffy 4 times. When he one shot him. On the roof when Zoro protected him with Ashura. When he was knocked off the roof and last when he was knocked out/presumed dead before awakening in Gear 5th.
Hey Liam, I just wanted to say that I love when you make these videos with analysis, like the best/worst DF/users; or the true bounties. I know they take more time to make than your....more...clickbaity videos, but these videos are my favourites and I am glad you are still making them.
Cool video but I'm gonna have to correct a few things. Smoker has another 2 wins you didn't record in Buggy and Alvida, so that would put him at -3 Also if Zoro is being counted as King of Ls for losses to Kuina, during the luffy/sabo/ace flashback there was a point where they each duel each other (50 times each I think) whilst ace and sabo draw by beating each other equal amount of times they both beat luffy every time so whilst it's not -2000 it's at least another -100 for luffy (which puts him somewhere around -70). And then we can only guess how many losses luffy has taken from Garp's fist of love. Therefore smoker has to lose his place in the 4 L-perors to Luffy :)
And I wouldn't call his fight with Ace a loss, it was a draw. And he didn't really fight either Dragon or Hancock. He would have lost to them if he did but they never really fought. Though I'd say narratively he is still the biggest L. As he had so much potential in the beginning and nothing came of it in future encounters.
On Moria behalf, I'd like to state that he has one inconclusive that would be to the Blackbeard pirates. And I believe we have no idea what's happened to him since.
I was thinking about this too! But since we've seen BB since then and no Moria we're to assume he was either defeated or joined, both of which I would consider an L.
Jack was the most impressive of the beast pirates next to ulti. They both displayed the greatest physical prowess and were able to fight against seemingly strong opponents for long durations of time, they were also able to tank hits. Queen effortlessly blocked one of Lucy's punches in udon, but then lost to sanji within 2 chapters and made some very very dumb combat choices. Same with king, they just didn't seem like high tier combatants. Neither of them displayed exceptionally strong haki either
Biggest loser I’d say is drake having an undercover marine was such a cool concept but he does basically nothing in wano you can remove his character completely the the overall story plays out pretty much the same
Wasn't Hawkins the reason greenbull arrived so early at wano? Or did the news reach the navy in another way? But yeah, Hawkins could've had a much bigger impact. The "undercover" villain role was played by one of the samurais, so I guess we had atleast that.
I mean, Zoro does lose quite a bit and in incredibly brutal ways throughout the series. To Mihawk, to Arlong, to Mr. 3 of all people, to Enel, to Lucci, to those spiders on Thriller Bark, to Kuma twice, and those are all before the timeskip.
I thought Moria's lack of haki was due to him losing the willpower to do, well anything, after losing to Kaido. Mans favourite thing to do post Kaido is sit around and let others do it for him
I couldnt stopped laughing at your introduction of jack, being the opposite of kaido's intro "in land, sea or ocean, in a 1 on 1 fight, NEVER bet on jack" hahahah
As much as I like the fact that we are highlighting Ace’s wasted potential, it has to count for something that nearly all his clashes came against the strongest characters in the verse. I mean he fought a Warlord, and Warlord cum Emperor, 2 admirals (the 2 most in contention for fleet admiral), and you forgot Yamato. The reason he underachieved so massively is that he aimed too high too early. I’m sure he racked up a good share of W’s off screen, but he certainly overestimated his trajectory and aimed too high too soon. Luffy did the same thing except Ace’s death served as the humbling he ultimately needed to take time off and grow. Does he deserve ridicule for his shameful overstimation of his standing, or admiration for taking on the loftiest challenges? You can make a solid argument either way.
Hard to tell between Ace and Moria but id say Ace just based off of actual potential shown. In the clash between Moria and Kaido it seems like Moria had Haki in the clash however I think he was simply broken after that and couldn't mentally recover to reach his potential. He believed he could make others make him king but he needed to train haki and get stronger. At least Ace always fought to get stronger and died defending his father's honor
You forgot one for Moria. His last confrontation was actually with Blackbeard when he attacked the emperor's home base. I mean, we didn't get to see what happened after Blackbeard demanded Moria's surrender but I think it's a safe bet that he either gave up and joined the Blackbeard Pirates, was killed or somehow managed to escape. Either way, it's a loss.
I feel like you missed a really important one (that doesn't change the outcome). While this character didn't lose that many times, the loss itself is probably the worse one in the whole series. Kuina may have defeated Zoro 2001 times, but she lost (not just a fight, but her life) against some random stairs. I think that brings this discussion to a whole new level. However, that also makes Zoro the guy who lost 2001 times to a girl who lost her life to some stairs.
For reference, using stats from this video; Jack has a win rate of 0% Smoker has a win rate of 22.22% Gecko Moria has a win rate of 0% Ace has a win rate of 0.89% And Zoro has a win rate of 0.99%
If you're counting Zoro and Ace's losses against their respective "challenge targets", then you should also count Yamato's vs. Kaido, right? You even mention it earlier in the episode. If that were the case then I can hardly imagine anyone beating Yamoto's L count
I love the twist at the end. . . A kid sparring with another kid taken at such a serious level :P. If this were done with any other character, wouldn't Luffy also be in the L group?
I still love Moria. He's such a little bastard and that laugh is S tier. His powers are pretty sick too honestly. He's just so incredibly disillusioned from losing his crew, then losing it again, that he's just a broken walking L. Hoping he comes back and isn't on a stick somewhere on Fullalead
To be fair with Kaido, he was a member of the Rocks pirates, where the strongest was the captain, and Kaido was notably not the captain. He probably lost quite a few times against rocks
I know Smoker battle record is not the best, but his introduction is what makes me love the character. Through the beginning of East Blue, we have seen how corrupt the Marines is. Smoker it showed he was intimidating, but he has a soft spot. What makes Smoker even more interesting is bringing In forms of Justice. Smoker he’s cool in his own right. You also forgot to mention he has defeated many amateur pirates that entered Louguetown (The place Gol D. Roger got assassinated.)
Damn Liam. Did you really have to do our boii Smokey like that... Yea ngl disappointed he hasn't been given much of a chance to shine. Still holding out hope that in this run to the end he gets his time in the limelight. I know people say either smoker or Coby are the hero of the Navy to the Pirate King, but both are strong moderates/reformers and both are tied to Luffy's start on the grand line and essentially are both filling similar roles. Tbf Even Coby has disappointed. Expecting big things considering he is Garps apprentice but yet to see it aside from the odd whispers of something big in the story.
Couldn't Luffy Technically be on this list as well? 🤔 Since most of his fights he looses, but then he comes back for a rematch... Like Kaidoo beat him 2-3 times, before luffy beat Kaidoo. And he probably got beaten like 10.000 times by Sabo, Ace and Garp as a Kid 🤕
The worst L so far in history of One Piece is lowkey watching Luffy go all out agaisnt Kaido to moments later get one shotted. The man wasn't even blocking attacks and he was drunk 😭. We watched Big Mom use haki on her arms in WCI and push back Luffy out of gear 4 meanwhile stands still and allows Luffy to get his barrage of hits in Before hitting him with Thunder Bagua. That moment really had us concerned like how the hell are they going to beat this guy.
Moira and crocoboy have tendency to pick fights with really strong dudes. moira attacking BB crew pretty much solo. Crocodile in the war just throwing himself at whitebeard, admirals, doffy when he had no backup plan if someone fights with water.
I think that loosing in a non life treathening situation is like loosing in some kind of sparring match, thus should not count in your official record. Then Zorro losses to Kuina, Ace losses to Whitebeard, Luffy losses to Ace and Sabo, Yamato losses to Kaido and so on should not be counted... Didn't Moria loose on pirate island to the Blackbeard crew (granted we don't really know, but it certainly seemed that way) ?
Did Laboon becoming Luffy's rival spoil the ending of One Piece? It could be true. Think about, Laboon's goal is to destroy the Red Line, the same as Luffy if the One Piece turns out to be a method to create the All Blue. I'm going to go put on my tin-foil hat now. XD
You should do a collab with Steinixos and talk about Kizaru's devil fruit and how potentially powerful it is even when throughout the whole story it's been shown that he isn't even trying in any of his fights
i love smoker and what him to be a top competitor in op, fluffy being the sun and smoker controlling smoke makes me hopeful for some sort of clouds bearing the sun analogy (or cloud blocking out the sun)
Who characters lost to should also factor in this. Smoker catches too much hate when he had Luffy beat on LogueTown when Dragon (who is suspected to be one of the strongest in verse) saved him. From there the only “embarrassing” one is Caesar cause getting stopped by 3 different Warlords and an armament haki expert in Vergo were totally expected.
I'd also argue that Ace has done one of the - if not the biggest F ups in One Piece - which was going after Blackbeard. He didn't even know what Blackbeard's DF was and Whitebeard was already targeting him anyway. Which led to his defeat, capture, and the subsequent series of events. In way you can even blame Ace for Whitebeard's death.
Great video but you might want to add the Kaido and Luffy exposition sprinkled throughout. Took 4 min to get to the video. When it started I loved it though.
Smoker is really a curious case. I mean in a lot of fights we saw him, he had a kinda bad matchup, like Dragon whose strength is still unknown but implied to be one of the strongest on the grandline, Law, who is universally hard to deal with if you cannot somehow just resist his powers or even Ceasar, poison types are generally dangerous and do not forget, Ceasar even got a "win" against Katakuri soo... Yeah if anything Smoker has a bad case of On-Screen-Bad-Luck mostly drawing the short straw
@@catalyst.4664 he didn't lose to luffy the fight was cut short do to luffy finding out he wasn't in his body. Making weird to think about the fact that smoker is the only opponent luffy hasn't beat yet.
@@aaronjones6299 He still loses to Punk Hazard arc luffy, even if the fight ended quick just like how Tashigi tried fighting Zoro and later on Zoro stepped down cause he didn't want kill her, but we all know Zoro won
The greatest loser in One Piece is YOU the reader. Because you will lose a part of yourself once Oda finishes the story, an important part of your life will disappear, no longer you will have the excitement of waiting for a new chapter and the joy they provide.
If Luffy gets credit for a win because Garp let him, Jack should get credit for a win he achieved with a chemical weapon. Smoker also caught Buggy at Loguetown, and I have a hard time assigning him the L when he and Law fought Vergo, considering Vergo was 100% the loser of that encounter.
To be fair, Moriah technically never lost to Doflamingo. We saw Doffy saying he's got orders to kill Moriah and the next time we saw Doffy he admitted to the world government that Moriah disappeared into the shadows. He definitely bailed, but did in fact not lose.
7:27 Yes, Smoker reached the mythical rank of vice "adirmal," reserved only for the worst of the best. Also, I'd say Smoker vs Ace was a draw, though it's more like Ace held back. But according to yourself, that counts! So both of them should have one less L and one more draw.
@@alifputrawan9565 yeah, a lot of people like to underrate Kid too for the same reason. They bring up the fact that he was defeated by Shanks andKaido, whole ass yonko. And they downplay his importance in defeating Big Mom.
Moria doesn’t know haki because Oda didn’t know what it was back then, y’all give him too much credit, he writes what he feels at that moment, then tries to fit it into the past, he is not some great story writer looking far into the future.
i love gecko moria so much. you have no idea how much tumblr loves this man. they don't even change his design to look more "palatable". they love this traumatized round long-necked goth ronald mcdonald so much and they call him babygirl. he's like the spamton of one piece
Mr grand line review, I think you forgot about the duels that sabo, ace and luffy had as children. Both sabo and ace were interchanging Ls and Ws while Luffy was getting all the Ls everyday.
Jack being introduced as the first 1 Billion Bounty is like a really good trailer for a really bad movie.
Suicide Squad kinda trailer (not the James Gunn movie)
he is the suicide squad of one piece characters
Age of ultron
Was katakuri not the first billion dollar bounty introduced?
Nope, Jack was introduced on Zou and Katakuri was introduced in Whole Cake Island
I can’t even put into words how badly I want Smoker to not be so god awful. I want my man to become the badass he’s been in my heart this whole time
🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭
But he's also one of the very few morally upright Marines in the series, that's a W in my book.
I would like that then he flexes against strawhats and gets laughed off
He is the next FLEET ADMIRAL....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Honestly, i kinda still want him to at least join the straw hat grand fleet. I was gonna say the straw hats themselves, but i honestly cant see it.
About Moria's lack of Haki, my personal headcanon is since he lost a big part of his will after his loss against Kaido he can't use Haki anymore
I never thought about that, that makes so much sense! That's kind of why even the pirates at the beginning got passed up and forgotten, quitters never win, winners never quit 💪💪💪
Yeah since Haki is tied to your will I agree with you.
There is no way that Gecko made into the new world and all the way to Wano without having haki.
like Crocodile? Both didn't used haki against Luffy but during Marine Ford, most are still afraid/acknowledge them
@@august6281 I think crocodile did used arnament haki, like how he made different weapons by hardening the sand. That time the concept of haki wasn't introduced so ..... rest you know
@@Arthur77888 croc lose to primebeard
If we’re counting Zoro’s losses to Kuina shouldn’t we also count Luffy’s losses to Ace and Sabo? That would make Ace’s win-loss ratio a little better at the very least. On top of that it would also make Luffy have lost way more than the other three.
No zoro just lost his way into the video there
I thought the same thing lol he was really coming for ace
It's kinda weird. I guess since Luffy wasn't a pirate yet when he racked up those Ls, but Zoro was already a swordsman?
And Yamato's Losses to Kaido
Since Luffy fought 100 times a day and lost all of those fights, assuming he and Ace continued after Sabo's death, that would be 7 years (since Ace left at 17 years old) which would actually put Luffy's losses as a child at 255,600.
That's without counting losses against bandits, animals, or even Garp.
If we're counting Ace's losses against Whitebeard and Zoro's losses against Kuina, we should count Yamato's losses against Kaido too - she would likely be near the bottom of the list
And Sanji's losses to his siblings too when he is child.
@@alifputrawan9565 sanji didn't even fight
He was just straight up getting abused
What about luffy's losses to sabo and ace?
@@Kauãsouzz still a fight
I think being the child of an abusive parent should not be counted. Or else many children in OP would be crowned kings of Ls
To be fair, I think that the fight between Smoker and Ace in Alabasta concluded in a tie. Their Devil Fruit powers had very similar nature, so they both just couldn’t harm each other in any way…
A glitch in one piece because at this time ace could use arnament haki but still can't touch smoker
Then why did Smoker let ace go just like that unless he was dropped by ace
@@catalyst.4664 That is calling the fight even if neither are hurt
Smoker can also harm Ace by using his seastone sword
Fun fact! Biggest loser in one piece is pica
That looser is huge
I feel like Jack won against Inu and Neko on Zou. Ppl forget Inu and Neko were fighting in rotation and were able to take breaks meanwhile Jack was fighting for days straight until he pulled out the gas.
True but if Jack didn’t pull that out a full moon could have come. Given that the op plant has I like to say 6-7 moons the odds are high.
Jack still had his crew with him, he was probably taking breaks too cause there is no way he can last almost a week fighting nonstop.
@@catalyst.4664 I mean we've seen characters fight for days on end. Akainu and Kizan fought for 10 days straight and Ace and Jimbei fought for 5 days straight.
I think I agree Jack got robbed
@@catalyst.4664 iirc, they actually said that jack was the only one that didn't seem to be losing any ground in the fight, and it was either mentioned or implied that he kept fighting nonstop.
Smoker went from the coolest marine to nothing less than a foot note. Hope he gets his redemption fight soon.
Imagine if they just randomly come out and say that Imu is that one guy from ussops arc with the knife hands 💀
And he planned everything from the start 😂
For a second I didn't get it, the realised you meant captain kuro
No Imu in gin
Edward Scissorhands??
@@august6281 Nope. Chuck Testa.
I completely agree with Liam's analysis of Gecko Moria, his DF is arguably one of the most powerful paramecia's (and I would personally argue it is an upgraded version of Big Mom's fruit), and his backstory is an exceptionally tragic one which serves as a cautionary tale for what Luffy may become if he is broken by his experiances in Sabaody and in Marineford. In my personal opinion, if Moria was presented in a similar manner to Baron Omatsuri (from Movie 6) then he would be one of the most popular villains in OP.
I would argue that Big Moms fruit is an upgrade of Morias fruit...
because when big mom takes a soul out, he can kill the person already, with no sun needed. she can give it to objects and not just corpses, she can take parts and not like Moria that take the entire shadow or no shadow at all...
@@PROPAROXITONO Oh absolutely there are some aspects of BM's devil fruit that are superior to Morias. Like you said, the easier activation condition and killing requirement. These are the aspects where BM's DF is superior.
Both DF allow the user to make an army (with objects/creatures vs. Corpses) and both allow the user to absorb the soul/shadows to gain immense strength. In these aspects the fruits are roughly equal.
However, Moria's DF has a bunch of abilities that BM's doesn't. Including teleportation, the ability to alter the shape of objects, the ability to shape shadows into attacks and barriers, and (most importantly) the ability to replicate the skills of the person whose shadow you have absorbed. That final ability is utterly insane and broken if put to the rught use. Unfortunately, this fruit suffers from a terrible user who never used it to it's fullest potential.
Big Mom is 100% a better fruit user and a stronger combatant (even without the DF) but Moria's fruit (on paper) has a bunch of abilities that (in my opinion) make it superior.
Thanks for hte discussion, I really like this.😄
I would also argue that Moriah fruit is one of the greatest in the series! Think about it's potencial, with his ability to alter Shadows of living beings, he could alter HIS Shadow in order to copy some paramecia powers. (Examples being: Hana Hana no Mi, Bari Bari No Mi, etc)
Not only that, if he can change the Shadows of inanimate objects, (For example, Houses, Ships, Even islands) his power would be utterly overpowered, as he could change a massive island size to fit in his pocket, then he would throw the island at a opponent and make the island return to it's original size. Kage Kage no Mi has so much potential man...
@@TheAnimeXIII I would not say that Big Mom's fruit has an easier activation requirement. Because it needs the target to be afraid of the wielder. The Kage Kage no Mi? No fear required, just grab a person's shadow and rip it.
@@AnonEcho98 I suppose it is an easy activation requirement for Big Mom (who is utterly terrifying).
Don't think whitebeard doesn't really count for Ace as it wasn't really a fight for whitebeard and more like having his son learn the hard way, same as Ace did with Luffy and Sabo when they were fighting.
You're right about how Whitebeard saw it, but I don't think that's a point in Ace's favor. Just the opposite in fact. Whitebeard not even seeing it as a fight makes it an even bigger L for Ace each time IMO, because if the person you're attacking doesn't even see your attempted attacks as a threat, but more of a learning experience for you, then that speaks volumes to just how outclassed you are in the fight you picked. Now if it was the other way around and it was Ace that wasn't really trying to fight WB, meaning that it was more of a sparring/training session to both parties, then I'd agree with you. But Ace WAS trying to beat WB and failing spectacularly on each attempt.
Lol this is clearly a “let’s have fun “ video . I don’t think you’re gonna see these stats on a vivre card anytime soon
Kaido defeated Luffy 4 times. When he one shot him. On the roof when Zoro protected him with Ashura. When he was knocked off the roof and last when he was knocked out/presumed dead before awakening in Gear 5th.
"To be fair, mummy did! Mummy, like, REALLY did..." - Your line delivery is PERFECT sometimes.
I love the idea that Zoro got so lost he wound up as the crowned King of Ls, a competition he didn’t mean to enter
Hey Liam, I just wanted to say that I love when you make these videos with analysis, like the best/worst DF/users; or the true bounties. I know they take more time to make than your....more...clickbaity videos, but these videos are my favourites and I am glad you are still making them.
I just wish he didn't give videos like this such clickbaity titles
Cool video but I'm gonna have to correct a few things.
Smoker has another 2 wins you didn't record in Buggy and Alvida, so that would put him at -3
Also if Zoro is being counted as King of Ls for losses to Kuina, during the luffy/sabo/ace flashback there was a point where they each duel each other (50 times each I think) whilst ace and sabo draw by beating each other equal amount of times they both beat luffy every time so whilst it's not -2000 it's at least another -100 for luffy (which puts him somewhere around -70). And then we can only guess how many losses luffy has taken from Garp's fist of love.
Therefore smoker has to lose his place in the 4 L-perors to Luffy :)
Also i do believe Yamato has lost a few times to Kaido
Smoker even loses on a video about losses
If I’m not mistaken, it was 50 battles against each other per day, so it very well could be -2000 for Luffy
And I wouldn't call his fight with Ace a loss, it was a draw. And he didn't really fight either Dragon or Hancock. He would have lost to them if he did but they never really fought. Though I'd say narratively he is still the biggest L. As he had so much potential in the beginning and nothing came of it in future encounters.
On Moria behalf, I'd like to state that he has one inconclusive that would be to the Blackbeard pirates. And I believe we have no idea what's happened to him since.
I was thinking about this too! But since we've seen BB since then and no Moria we're to assume he was either defeated or joined, both of which I would consider an L.
Jack was the most impressive of the beast pirates next to ulti. They both displayed the greatest physical prowess and were able to fight against seemingly strong opponents for long durations of time, they were also able to tank hits. Queen effortlessly blocked one of Lucy's punches in udon, but then lost to sanji within 2 chapters and made some very very dumb combat choices. Same with king, they just didn't seem like high tier combatants. Neither of them displayed exceptionally strong haki either
Biggest loser I’d say is drake having an undercover marine was such a cool concept but he does basically nothing in wano you can remove his character completely the the overall story plays out pretty much the same
Wasn't Hawkins the reason greenbull arrived so early at wano? Or did the news reach the navy in another way? But yeah, Hawkins could've had a much bigger impact. The "undercover" villain role was played by one of the samurais, so I guess we had atleast that.
Law would die if he wasnt there
@@sofianesk3050 if GB was removed that would've mean Yamato would've joined then and we don't want that
Drake was the one who released Law from prison before the raid
@@MrGeorge01 No he didn't, he was going to but Law already escaped.
Zoro finds himself lost in a video that he even wasn't a part of and even gets crowned 🤣
Underrated comment
I mean, Zoro does lose quite a bit and in incredibly brutal ways throughout the series. To Mihawk, to Arlong, to Mr. 3 of all people, to Enel, to Lucci, to those spiders on Thriller Bark, to Kuma twice, and those are all before the timeskip.
@@dendo20p true
Zoros lost a lot in time skip too
Bro Zoro was in no shape to fight anyone after major injuries, on a even plain he would destroy arlong & anyone else
@@legendaryedu Never claimed otherwise. I'm not here to powerscale, just indulging the process in the video.
I thought Moria's lack of haki was due to him losing the willpower to do, well anything, after losing to Kaido. Mans favourite thing to do post Kaido is sit around and let others do it for him
I couldnt stopped laughing at your introduction of jack, being the opposite of kaido's intro "in land, sea or ocean, in a 1 on 1 fight, NEVER bet on jack" hahahah
Damn, you really upped the quality of edits and narrating. Half way through this is very enjoyable.
As much as I like the fact that we are highlighting Ace’s wasted potential, it has to count for something that nearly all his clashes came against the strongest characters in the verse. I mean he fought a Warlord, and Warlord cum Emperor, 2 admirals (the 2 most in contention for fleet admiral), and you forgot Yamato. The reason he underachieved so massively is that he aimed too high too early. I’m sure he racked up a good share of W’s off screen, but he certainly overestimated his trajectory and aimed too high too soon. Luffy did the same thing except Ace’s death served as the humbling he ultimately needed to take time off and grow.
Does he deserve ridicule for his shameful overstimation of his standing, or admiration for taking on the loftiest challenges? You can make a solid argument either way.
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@@RobertMcBride-is-cool I don't even know how to respond to that. It's the word that fits the sentence best? Like why do you use any word?
Doflamingo really dishing out Final L’s to these guys, they should start called Doffy “The Cleaner.”
That twist 😂
Should have made a "A new challenger approaching" joke
That final curve threw me off in a good way, it's like watching a character unrelated to the arc steals a goal in the fictional world of football. GG
Hard to tell between Ace and Moria but id say Ace just based off of actual potential shown. In the clash between Moria and Kaido it seems like Moria had Haki in the clash however I think he was simply broken after that and couldn't mentally recover to reach his potential. He believed he could make others make him king but he needed to train haki and get stronger. At least Ace always fought to get stronger and died defending his father's honor
That plot twist at the end was dirty and I love you for it 😂
i love the new upload times. hits at 7AM for me to listen to on my drive to work.
You forgot one for Moria. His last confrontation was actually with Blackbeard when he attacked the emperor's home base. I mean, we didn't get to see what happened after Blackbeard demanded Moria's surrender but I think it's a safe bet that he either gave up and joined the Blackbeard Pirates, was killed or somehow managed to escape. Either way, it's a loss.
I feel like you missed a really important one (that doesn't change the outcome). While this character didn't lose that many times, the loss itself is probably the worse one in the whole series. Kuina may have defeated Zoro 2001 times, but she lost (not just a fight, but her life) against some random stairs. I think that brings this discussion to a whole new level. However, that also makes Zoro the guy who lost 2001 times to a girl who lost her life to some stairs.
For reference, using stats from this video;
Jack has a win rate of 0%
Smoker has a win rate of 22.22%
Gecko Moria has a win rate of 0%
Ace has a win rate of 0.89%
And Zoro has a win rate of 0.99%
If you're counting Zoro and Ace's losses against their respective "challenge targets", then you should also count Yamato's vs. Kaido, right? You even mention it earlier in the episode. If that were the case then I can hardly imagine anyone beating Yamoto's L count
Not to mention that Yamato's excuse for not joining the crew was another massive letdown
@@eltoussaint what the letdown in her excuse??she was totally right.
Unexpected mention of Kaido slapping (spanking?) the Monkee was the laugh I needed on a dreary Thursday morning.
Our Grandline Captain gets extra credit on the script for this one. 💯
Honestly Jack getting an atta boy from Kaido, one of the worst fathers in One Piece, is the closest thing he has to a win
We should all get plots in a line and make an actual grand line 😂
Man really brought zoro into the video with 20 seconds left 💀
What about Moria vs. Blackbead, when Moria came to look for Absolom?
I love the twist at the end. . .
A kid sparring with another kid taken at such a serious level :P.
If this were done with any other character, wouldn't Luffy also be in the L group?
I still love Moria. He's such a little bastard and that laugh is S tier. His powers are pretty sick too honestly. He's just so incredibly disillusioned from losing his crew, then losing it again, that he's just a broken walking L. Hoping he comes back and isn't on a stick somewhere on Fullalead
To be fair with Kaido, he was a member of the Rocks pirates, where the strongest was the captain, and Kaido was notably not the captain. He probably lost quite a few times against rocks
The biggest L goes to the match of Kuina V inanimate stairs she's had to have walked on her entire life
Man your writing and editing is just too good 😂😂😂
Keep the greatness coming 😢
I love how u said " Its Gecko Moria". Like some Pokémon
Hats off to sheer amount of ANALaysis done by you to give us the One and only true kings of L.
I don’t usually like a lot of videos period but this one had me laughing all the way thru. Liked already subscribed
On behalf of Moria, he has 1 W vs brook, how else did he get his shadow?
Shoutouts to your editor and whoever creates the cutouts of these characters you use for telling stories about the punch fighting
Big twist. Love it. Can’t argue with the stats. Maybe all those L’s are what effected his sense of direction
I know Smoker battle record is not the best, but his introduction is what makes me love the character. Through the beginning of East Blue, we have seen how corrupt the Marines is. Smoker it showed he was intimidating, but he has a soft spot. What makes Smoker even more interesting is bringing In forms of Justice. Smoker he’s cool in his own right. You also forgot to mention he has defeated many amateur pirates that entered Louguetown (The place Gol D. Roger got assassinated.)
Damn Liam. Did you really have to do our boii Smokey like that...
Yea ngl disappointed he hasn't been given much of a chance to shine. Still holding out hope that in this run to the end he gets his time in the limelight. I know people say either smoker or Coby are the hero of the Navy to the Pirate King, but both are strong moderates/reformers and both are tied to Luffy's start on the grand line and essentially are both filling similar roles. Tbf Even Coby has disappointed. Expecting big things considering he is Garps apprentice but yet to see it aside from the odd whispers of something big in the story.
That plot twist at the end got me!
The whole time I was like “what about Zoro!!!”
Couldn't Luffy Technically be on this list as well? 🤔
Since most of his fights he looses, but then he comes back for a rematch... Like Kaidoo beat him 2-3 times, before luffy beat Kaidoo. And he probably got beaten like 10.000 times by Sabo, Ace and Garp as a Kid 🤕
The worst L so far in history of One Piece is lowkey watching Luffy go all out agaisnt Kaido to moments later get one shotted. The man wasn't even blocking attacks and he was drunk 😭. We watched Big Mom use haki on her arms in WCI and push back Luffy out of gear 4 meanwhile stands still and allows Luffy to get his barrage of hits in Before hitting him with Thunder Bagua. That moment really had us concerned like how the hell are they going to beat this guy.
Shouldn't ace vs smoker count as a tie? If I Remember correctly they both agreed to stop fighting
Moira and crocoboy have tendency to pick fights with really strong dudes. moira attacking BB crew pretty much solo. Crocodile in the war just throwing himself at whitebeard, admirals, doffy when he had no backup plan if someone fights with water.
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I think that loosing in a non life treathening situation is like loosing in some kind of sparring match, thus should not count in your official record. Then Zorro losses to Kuina, Ace losses to Whitebeard, Luffy losses to Ace and Sabo, Yamato losses to Kaido and so on should not be counted...
Didn't Moria loose on pirate island to the Blackbeard crew (granted we don't really know, but it certainly seemed that way) ?
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Me cleaning the dishes and laughing about your last joke.
You’ve finally earned yourself your subscription with that one 🎉😃
Did Laboon becoming Luffy's rival spoil the ending of One Piece? It could be true. Think about, Laboon's goal is to destroy the Red Line, the same as Luffy if the One Piece turns out to be a method to create the All Blue. I'm going to go put on my tin-foil hat now. XD
You should do a collab with Steinixos and talk about Kizaru's devil fruit and how potentially powerful it is even when throughout the whole story it's been shown that he isn't even trying in any of his fights
Not you forgetting Moria losing to Blackbeard. One of his most fascinating Ls, since he actually managed to be under the sun
i love smoker and what him to be a top competitor in op, fluffy being the sun and smoker controlling smoke makes me hopeful for some sort of clouds bearing the sun analogy (or cloud blocking out the sun)
bidet? wipe?
Nice, another Grandline video!! I hope he talks about my favorite Emperor commander, Marine or Warlord :)
I agree with the list and amazing video as always.
Tho feel bad for Moria,imagine how strong he would ve been if he still had mostly or his whole crew
The way you just sneakily tried to add that end and finish the video is hilarious 😂😅
Lmao I love this video. I'm so glad you aren't afraid to take the Ace joke this far
Who characters lost to should also factor in this. Smoker catches too much hate when he had Luffy beat on LogueTown when Dragon (who is suspected to be one of the strongest in verse) saved him. From there the only “embarrassing” one is Caesar cause getting stopped by 3 different Warlords and an armament haki expert in Vergo were totally expected.
I'd also argue that Ace has done one of the - if not the biggest F ups in One Piece - which was going after Blackbeard. He didn't even know what Blackbeard's DF was and Whitebeard was already targeting him anyway. Which led to his defeat, capture, and the subsequent series of events.
In way you can even blame Ace for Whitebeard's death.
That poll result/interpretation got me.
i was sipping my coffee when "never bet on Jack" came. i almost burn my lips.😂
I was caught off guard with that bidet joke 😂
Good job
"He smacked the monkey 3 times" was gold.. I think i want to play some Pirate warriors 4 now🙈
Oda's biggest mistake - letting Haki out of whatever fever dream that conjured it
"Here's another video to watch while you clean your room" lmao that's me
Not go lie…your video editing and presentation is much more engaging. Not sure why but I like it
The Nami mapping joke is top shelf. Thank you
Great video but you might want to add the Kaido and Luffy exposition sprinkled throughout. Took 4 min to get to the video. When it started I loved it though.
Honorable mention goes to every bounty hunter in the story
Smoker is really a curious case. I mean in a lot of fights we saw him, he had a kinda bad matchup, like Dragon whose strength is still unknown but implied to be one of the strongest on the grandline, Law, who is universally hard to deal with if you cannot somehow just resist his powers or even Ceasar, poison types are generally dangerous and do not forget, Ceasar even got a "win" against Katakuri soo... Yeah if anything Smoker has a bad case of On-Screen-Bad-Luck mostly drawing the short straw
He lost to Vergo a Vice Admiral Level character just like him, and also lost to luffy who only had basic haki at that time
@@catalyst.4664 he didn't lose to luffy the fight was cut short do to luffy finding out he wasn't in his body. Making weird to think about the fact that smoker is the only opponent luffy hasn't beat yet.
@@aaronjones6299 He still loses to Punk Hazard arc luffy, even if the fight ended quick just like how Tashigi tried fighting Zoro and later on Zoro stepped down cause he didn't want kill her, but we all know Zoro won
@@catalyst.4664 I didn't say he wouldn't lose I just said it doesn't count sense they never really fought
@@aaronjones6299 oh aight
Zoro: "I'll be the king of Hell"
GrandlineReview: "yes, the king of L"
The greatest loser in One Piece is YOU the reader.
Because you will lose a part of yourself once Oda finishes the story, an important part of your life will disappear, no longer you will have the excitement of waiting for a new chapter and the joy they provide.
4:53 dang... you didn't have to do him that dirty with the intro
If Luffy gets credit for a win because Garp let him, Jack should get credit for a win he achieved with a chemical weapon. Smoker also caught Buggy at Loguetown, and I have a hard time assigning him the L when he and Law fought Vergo, considering Vergo was 100% the loser of that encounter.
Truthfully, didn’t really know quite a few of these fights happened. Would love a video on off-screen and lesser known fights
I can only assume this video is about oda showing gaimon so early. We all know he's got a large role to play.
To be fair, Moriah technically never lost to Doflamingo. We saw Doffy saying he's got orders to kill Moriah and the next time we saw Doffy he admitted to the world government that Moriah disappeared into the shadows. He definitely bailed, but did in fact not lose.
7:27 Yes, Smoker reached the mythical rank of vice "adirmal," reserved only for the worst of the best.
Also, I'd say Smoker vs Ace was a draw, though it's more like Ace held back. But according to yourself, that counts! So both of them should have one less L and one more draw.
Lol I got an ad during your Established Title's ad
A lot of people underrate Ace while ignoring the fact that he only lost to very powerful characters.
Exactly. Putting a good fight against god tiers is better than winning against a nobody.
@@alifputrawan9565 yeah, a lot of people like to underrate Kid too for the same reason. They bring up the fact that he was defeated by Shanks andKaido, whole ass yonko. And they downplay his importance in defeating Big Mom.
Moria doesn’t know haki because Oda didn’t know what it was back then, y’all give him too much credit, he writes what he feels at that moment, then tries to fit it into the past, he is not some great story writer looking far into the future.
i love gecko moria so much. you have no idea how much tumblr loves this man. they don't even change his design to look more "palatable". they love this traumatized round long-necked goth ronald mcdonald so much and they call him babygirl. he's like the spamton of one piece
Mr grand line review, I think you forgot about the duels that sabo, ace and luffy had as children. Both sabo and ace were interchanging Ls and Ws while Luffy was getting all the Ls everyday.
Lmao. Ace turned into a donut. I can't... 😂