Genius! Love that you designed the pedal drive to fit an existing proven kayak design. The fact that this fits your existing models is awesome. I remember trying one. It was smooth and pretty much silent. It had a really tight turning radius and was very responsive. Best of all pedal drive system is easily removable for shallow river runs.
Unfortunately here in Brazil we still do not have access to this marvel of kayaking, but I have a lot of faith in God and one day I will still fish aboard a Nucanoe 🙏
@@davetoms63 I am too of course, but it seems like its beneficial for product longevity. I'd rather wait now than wait to get it fixed after they rush it to market.
I've been waiting for this to hit the market for my F12. Two things Sir, make the cable and steering handle ambidextrous so I can mount it on my right side of the yak not just the left. Second consider two grommets we can use with two holes, one on the front and one on the back so we can run the cable under the decking so we have less chances of getting snagged on it and to just keep the clean open deck. I havnt rigged my F12 yet because I want this on it first so I can rig in conjunction with the pivote drive. Thank you for the awesome products & the even better customer service!!!
Glad you are excited about the Pivot Drive! Left side mounting would require a different steering bracket and a different transom bracket, which we will have available. Running the flex cable under the deck would be very tricky. I think you'll find that have the cable run along the seat base channel will keep it out of the way. It was not properly secured in our video, we will have that fixed in the next one.
Removing weeds on the propeller looks like its going to be a pain. On my pescador pilot when the prop gets caught up in weeds, it creates a lot of resistance when pedaling.
4 questions. Does the turning lever interfere with 360 seat? If you get weeds around prop, will they come off if you reverse or do you have to go to shore to remove? Can I still turn with a black pak in the back? Why the Heck are these so expensive? You can buy a top of the line mountain bike for that, or a flint.
I am really excited for this. My wife and I have decided to upgrade frohm our cheap Perception Swifty 95 s to the NuCanoe Flint, but have been waiting for the Pivot Drive to become available. We would be glad to test the unit for NuCanoe if that would be any help. We would have to purchase the Flints in order to do that.
Just got some of these kayaks with engines and I’m super disappointed. But since we live in the Bahamas and can’t return them, I’m pretty interested in this mechanism. For the guy in the video… I suggest joining toastmasters. It’s a fun place to practice these kind of presentations, get feedback and improve your skills. Cheers
This system is going to be awesome for addition to other platforms, just seems like a good retrofit option. In this video I feel the operator's COG on the orange yak is too high. If the yak was larger/wider it might be better. Thanks for sharing.
I know because of the flex shaft you're limited on where to put the pivot drive, but what about putting a second child's seat in front of the pedals? Is there room?
Can’t wait for the drive to be ready, I have one question. The belt on the prop shaft, I notice it is exposed. I am concerned about weeds those dreaded weeds, where all those killer bass love to hang out are going to get caught up in the prop shaft belt. Not a deal breaker, love the idea of the product. Just a suggestion from the latest video.
The belt on the H2ProDrive is exposed in the same manner, and weeds do not get caught in it. If any weeds get caught up, its much more likely to be on the prop itself than the belt.
Nice overview. Kayak has a very modern look and feel. Is there a reason for not concealing the cables in the hull? Most fishermen like their deck area free. While fishing anything and everything will get tangled. While the gentleman was turning in the video, I have noticed the kayak leaning to one side. I am digging the drive system only disadvantage I see for folks who fish in weed infested waters. It will be a pain to clear that prop. I am in south florida I would love to demo it when it is out.
When the drive cable is properly secured, it will not be very noticeable or in the way. Running it through the hull could be possible but would present many other challenges too!
I am shopping for my first Kayak for fishing. I'm leaning toward a NuCanoe Frontier 12. I like the options for propulsion and this drive is a key consideration. However, I can only cartop this for transport. I like the wheels/cart accessory for wheeling and cartopping. It seems I need to put the kayak on top in an upside down position. So, 2 questions: 1) Does the steering control bracket hinder cartopping (if I understood the video, everything else can be removed easily)? 2) does the transom mount block the hole for the wheels? It would be great to see a video of how someone with a pivot drive would load and unload their Frontier from the rack to really help me decide.
Awesome! on your questions: 1) it can be easily removed on all models, just a little different initial install process on 2018 and prior models. 2) Yes, it does. You could remove the transom bracket, which would take about 2-3 minutes, or use the C-Tug cart. Good idea on a video showing transport and car topping, we'll add that to the list!
@@nucanoe Thanks for the quick reply! So for 1) the answer is "yes, it hinders car topping" but you can remove it. Right? the video shows that this bracket is screwed into the side of the kayak. So, I have to use a screwdriver, unscrew the screws, store them (without losing them), and then screw it back in with every trip? not saying it's a deal breaker, but certainly a concern. As I've never had a kayak, I have no idea how those holes will hold up. After a few ins and outs, will the screw holes strip? Any experience with this? and for 2) I guess my only concern is the same thing - I think the screws there were bolts with easy remove knobs, but will those holes wear out? I like the small wheels for keeping in the boat so I don't have to hike back to the car to store them. The C-Tug cart is something that would have to go back to the car, I think. One last question - the propulsion options as I said are key for this boat. Love them. I'm thinking that the pivot drive and a bow mounted trolling motor are compatible? meaning, they can be installed concurrently, right? Thanks again.
$1200 just for the pedals ouch. There are pedal kayaks coming out now where you get the pedals and the kayak for about this or maybe only a few hundred dollars more then this.
That is true, Jason. But it's not an apples to apples comparison. After all, some cars cost $15,000...and some $50,000. There are significant differences in design, performance, functionality, quality, etc.
@@nucanoe fair enough, but please do a video on the justification for your price point for the pivot drive. A video explaining the engineering and technology should speak for itself and stand the test of time.
Not being able to access the prop is a terrible design for a fishing kayak. You have instantly excluded any freshwater anglers who fish around weed? The belt drive is a great idea, I just see no upside to having it at the rear with no access. Especially when your pricing yourself against the top tier systems
There are plenty of pedal drive specific models available. This is an different approach, with a unique features and benefits, that will provide a better solution for many people and many applications.
NuCanoe No one wants that myriad of cords and cables running across their yak. It might be mechanically sound, but it’s a jumbled mess, not to mention an eye-sore.
Actually, this is a ton better than a drive specific model. I can use this when i want and take it off when i dont. Also it reduces the barrier to entry for someone that cant afford the pedal drive at the same time they buy the kayak. I like the idea that the prop kicks up if it hits something, instead of having to lift a pedal unit and lay it across my kayak.
Gerry Shappell No Gerry, it’s not better...... I witnessed this first hand at the Portland F&O expo.... its functionality sound for sure, but it’s a nightmare to prep. And all that crap running across the deck is as messy as it looks. They will produce a drive specific yak sooner than later.
@@theblake5356 that's your opinion and mine is mine. I personally like the idea of kayak that can be changed from one mode to another based on the body of water i need it for... and not having to buy one pedal kayak and another non pedal kayak like a lot of the guys in my local kayak group.
Genius! Love that you designed the pedal drive to fit an existing proven kayak design. The fact that this fits your existing models is awesome. I remember trying one. It was smooth and pretty much silent. It had a really tight turning radius and was very responsive. Best of all pedal drive system is easily removable for shallow river runs.
Unfortunately here in Brazil we still do not have access to this marvel of kayaking, but I have a lot of faith in God and one day I will still fish aboard a Nucanoe 🙏
Love the fact that I still get to have all that wall to wall deck space in front of my seat that you don't get with a center console. Can't wait!
Can't wait for this to hit the market guys. I love the lever steering setup. Awesome!!!
little disappointed it's taking so long but hopefully will be worth the wait
@@davetoms63 I am too of course, but it seems like its beneficial for product longevity. I'd rather wait now than wait to get it fixed after they rush it to market.
Very promising!
I have been waiting for this kind of propelling/steering-apparatus come out. I wish U get things ready and these thing on the markets!
I've been waiting for this to hit the market for my F12. Two things Sir, make the cable and steering handle ambidextrous so I can mount it on my right side of the yak not just the left. Second consider two grommets we can use with two holes, one on the front and one on the back so we can run the cable under the decking so we have less chances of getting snagged on it and to just keep the clean open deck. I havnt rigged my F12 yet because I want this on it first so I can rig in conjunction with the pivote drive. Thank you for the awesome products & the even better customer service!!!
Glad you are excited about the Pivot Drive! Left side mounting would require a different steering bracket and a different transom bracket, which we will have available. Running the flex cable under the deck would be very tricky. I think you'll find that have the cable run along the seat base channel will keep it out of the way. It was not properly secured in our video, we will have that fixed in the next one.
Removing weeds on the propeller looks like its going to be a pain. On my pescador pilot when the prop gets caught up in weeds, it creates a lot of resistance when pedaling.
This will be awesome on my new Flint!! Can wait!!
4 questions. Does the turning lever interfere with 360 seat? If you get weeds around prop, will they come off if you reverse or do you have to go to shore to remove? Can I still turn with a black pak in the back? Why the Heck are these so expensive? You can buy a top of the line mountain bike for that, or a flint.
What if you have the h20prodrive. Are you just out of the loop? Dont really wanna buy a new drive system
I am really excited for this. My wife and I have decided to upgrade frohm our cheap Perception Swifty 95 s to the NuCanoe Flint, but have been waiting for the Pivot Drive to become available. We would be glad to test the unit for NuCanoe if that would be any help. We would have to purchase the Flints in order to do that.
Just got some of these kayaks with engines and I’m super disappointed. But since we live in the Bahamas and can’t return them, I’m pretty interested in this mechanism. For the guy in the video… I suggest joining toastmasters. It’s a fun place to practice these kind of presentations, get feedback and improve your skills. Cheers
This system is going to be awesome for addition to other platforms, just seems like a good retrofit option. In this video I feel the operator's COG on the orange yak is too high. If the yak was larger/wider it might be better. Thanks for sharing.
A quick disconnect cable would be nice at the drive end, so the large cable can stay in the boat.
its crazy that its cheaper to go with a trolling motor set up than a pedal set up :(
that looks awesome, can't wait to put it to work
Thanks for the update. Maybe my knee will finally be better by the time it comes out.
Does the steering handle interfere with the 360 seat?
I know because of the flex shaft you're limited on where to put the pivot drive, but what about putting a second child's seat in front of the pedals? Is there room?
Looking forward to it!
yeah because im ready for one soon
Can’t wait for the drive to be ready, I have one question. The belt on the prop shaft, I notice it is exposed. I am concerned about weeds those dreaded weeds, where all those killer bass love to hang out are going to get caught up in the prop shaft belt. Not a deal breaker, love the idea of the product. Just a suggestion from the latest video.
The belt on the H2ProDrive is exposed in the same manner, and weeds do not get caught in it. If any weeds get caught up, its much more likely to be on the prop itself than the belt.
Could you put the cord from the re track system in a zig zag cleat to keep the prop shaft up when encountering shallow water on rivers ?
Glen Daugherity yes, there is a cleat to lock the prop up.
its late June and my Kayak store has yet to see this product
For me, I would prefer that the steering controls are left to right vs front to back, also you should consider steering controls on both sides.
Nice overview. Kayak has a very modern look and feel. Is there a reason for not concealing the cables in the hull? Most fishermen like their deck area free. While fishing anything and everything will get tangled. While the gentleman was turning in the video, I have noticed the kayak leaning to one side. I am digging the drive system only disadvantage I see for folks who fish in weed infested waters. It will be a pain to clear that prop. I am in south florida I would love to demo it when it is out.
When the drive cable is properly secured, it will not be very noticeable or in the way. Running it through the hull could be possible but would present many other challenges too!
@nucanoe if you need any help testing a prototype, i will be available all spring.
What's the total weight of the pivot drive at? Ready to order mine, I'm on the preorder list.
looks to me like this drive could be electrically driven as well in the future?
I am shopping for my first Kayak for fishing. I'm leaning toward a NuCanoe Frontier 12. I like the options for propulsion and this drive is a key consideration. However, I can only cartop this for transport. I like the wheels/cart accessory for wheeling and cartopping. It seems I need to put the kayak on top in an upside down position. So, 2 questions: 1) Does the steering control bracket hinder cartopping (if I understood the video, everything else can be removed easily)? 2) does the transom mount block the hole for the wheels? It would be great to see a video of how someone with a pivot drive would load and unload their Frontier from the rack to really help me decide.
Awesome! on your questions: 1) it can be easily removed on all models, just a little different initial install process on 2018 and prior models. 2) Yes, it does. You could remove the transom bracket, which would take about 2-3 minutes, or use the C-Tug cart. Good idea on a video showing transport and car topping, we'll add that to the list!
@@nucanoe Thanks for the quick reply!
So for 1) the answer is "yes, it hinders car topping" but you can remove it. Right? the video shows that this bracket is screwed into the side of the kayak. So, I have to use a screwdriver, unscrew the screws, store them (without losing them), and then screw it back in with every trip? not saying it's a deal breaker, but certainly a concern. As I've never had a kayak, I have no idea how those holes will hold up. After a few ins and outs, will the screw holes strip? Any experience with this?
and for 2) I guess my only concern is the same thing - I think the screws there were bolts with easy remove knobs, but will those holes wear out? I like the small wheels for keeping in the boat so I don't have to hike back to the car to store them. The C-Tug cart is something that would have to go back to the car, I think.
One last question - the propulsion options as I said are key for this boat. Love them. I'm thinking that the pivot drive and a bow mounted trolling motor are compatible? meaning, they can be installed concurrently, right?
Thanks again.
Can the steering be moved to the right for lefties? What happens if you hit a stump or run shallow?
The video explains that the prop. shaft is designed to get released if it hits an obstruction.
Hey Blake, how easy will it be to go from the pivot drive and back to an outboard?
Can’t wait!!!
Will the slide drawer still fit in the frontier 12, with the pedals installed?
We'll cover accessory compatibility in a future video, coming in a couple weeks.
So no tandem on the frontier 12 with pedal system in place????
that is correct
How does this hold up in saltwater?
Would really like to have an idea what the new system will cost for my F12
too much
Bryon Anderson estimated MSRP is $1199
Cool new design
$1200 just for the pedals ouch. There are pedal kayaks coming out now where you get the pedals and the kayak for about this or maybe only a few hundred dollars more then this.
That is true, Jason. But it's not an apples to apples comparison. After all, some cars cost $15,000...and some $50,000. There are significant differences in design, performance, functionality, quality, etc.
Curious to know if the belt drive on the prop will snag and pull in weeds
@@nucanoe fair enough, but please do a video on the justification for your price point for the pivot drive. A video explaining the engineering and technology should speak for itself and stand the test of time.
What's the cost?
Not being able to access the prop is a terrible design for a fishing kayak. You have instantly excluded any freshwater anglers who fish around weed?
The belt drive is a great idea, I just see no upside to having it at the rear with no access. Especially when your pricing yourself against the top tier systems
what are the top tier systems, I'm shopping around.
I see an electric motor and battery coming soon also..........awsome
With the propeller in the back does it get tangled and could it be a hassle if it did?
It is possible but didn't happen too often on the H2PRoDrive (prior version)
What speeds are you getting?
cruising speeds in the mid 4s, top speeds in the low 5s.
Look good however don’t think would work in shallow water
It requires about 18" of water for the prop shaft.
Way. Too. Complicated. Just make a drive specific model.
There are plenty of pedal drive specific models available. This is an different approach, with a unique features and benefits, that will provide a better solution for many people and many applications.
NuCanoe No one wants that myriad of cords and cables running across their yak. It might be mechanically sound, but it’s a jumbled mess, not to mention an eye-sore.
Actually, this is a ton better than a drive specific model. I can use this when i want and take it off when i dont. Also it reduces the barrier to entry for someone that cant afford the pedal drive at the same time they buy the kayak. I like the idea that the prop kicks up if it hits something, instead of having to lift a pedal unit and lay it across my kayak.
Gerry Shappell No Gerry, it’s not better...... I witnessed this first hand at the Portland F&O expo.... its functionality sound for sure, but it’s a nightmare to prep. And all that crap running across the deck is as messy as it looks. They will produce a drive specific yak sooner than later.
@@theblake5356 that's your opinion and mine is mine. I personally like the idea of kayak that can be changed from one mode to another based on the body of water i need it for... and not having to buy one pedal kayak and another non pedal kayak like a lot of the guys in my local kayak group.