Renegade NES Vs. Nekketsu Kōha Kunio-kun Famicom - USA Vs. Japan | Nefarious Wes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- On this episode of Versus I look at the differences between one of video games' very first beat 'em ups, NES's Renegade, versus its Japanese counterpart, Nekketsu Kōha Kunio-kun. This is the first game in the renowned Kunio-kun series, which would later spawn titles such as: Super Dodgeball, Nintendo World Cup and River City Ransom. Renegade was also the precursor to Technos Japan's Double Dragon.
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Still wish Technos Japan was still with us..
Riki and Sabu's Renegade face will give me nightmares.
At least their awesome IPs live on with Arc System Works
Hey arc system works is their hos familly
@@Lanasano635 nobody cares that, arc system works just ***** making kunio kun games and river city girls is the lasg Best Game of kunio kun
I remember when I played Renegade a kid thinking that Mr. K was the main bad guy. After each level he would say that you aren't tough enough. I just assumed that it was motivation to get to him. Even beating the final guy I just assumed that I didn't find the correct path to Mr. K. I was a lot older when I saw something covering this game that told me that Mr. K was me(main player) the whole time.
Yeah back in the day my friend kept telling me that Mr. K was in the game somewhere and I kept telling him that we were playing as Mr. K. He never believed me and he'd get so pissed trying to find him...lol...good times.
I thought the same thing too!!
Shinji doesn't wear a school uniform, That's a biker gang uniform. Shinji dropped out of high school and works in a factory
Oh really? Where can I learn this story?
I wouldn't trust that guy knowing that his last name is Trollinski
I thought that too, but Shinji is in the biker gang stage, so it does make sense.
Interesting to learn that Kunio and Riki used to be enemies
Man, I had no idea about this game initially. What's crazy is that in the latest game, Shinji, Rikki (obviously), and Misuzu all assist you as allies, which is pretty cool considering plot progression. Nice to see this! Great job on this man. Glad I took time to check this out.
Thanks, dude! This was one of my earlier videos, so it's a bit rough, but it was a fun one to make. Yeah, funny how a lot of the characters later became allies.
Now this is a SWEET video!! Great topic and really cool T-Shirt!!
Thanks! It's one of my earlier videos, so I kinda want to redo it.
I remember this. Played all the river city Ransom series. Great series.
The best beat'em up from Technos is River City Ransom.. no contest
no its "Shin Nekketsu Kouha - Kunio-tachi no Banka" its the greatest. i think its a successor to this game (vid).
sidenote: not necessarily by the same company (haven't done enough research on this tbh) but river city girls which released 2 months ago as of now is a great game and its in the same series. you should try it
@@aiharakotokorulesbluerose4170 I prefer Shodai Nekketsu Kōha Kunio-kun since it has RPG aspects to it and more story line focused.
I prefer double dragon
Yup
Mr. K = Kunio-kun
Jack = Riki
Shinji = Joel
Kim = Misuzu
Lucas (SMS version) = Sabu
Vincent Ly Riki*
There, I just renamed it.
Duuuuude. Sweet T Shirt and great video.
Thanks, man.
An english translation just came out for Nekketsu Kouha Kunio-kun. Thanks for your video.
Haha! Great video man! I have the famicom port of Nekketsu Kōha Kunio-kun, and I never knew what the game was telling me. Awesome game. I got super frustrated though on level 4 and gave up several times thinking that I was messing something up. Thanks for letting us know about the maze part. Great video man.
RYNDCO Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! The maze isn't too bad on Level 1 difficulty, but Levels 2 & 3? Forget about it. And there's tons of rooms with two bosses. It gets brutal.
Great comparison! But I love more Renegade
Thanks! Yeah, I prefer Renegade as well.
Good review! It sucks about the NES ending of Renegade. While the Arcade version of Kunio is pretty much the same as the NES version, in the Arcade version of Renegade, you were actually fighting to rescue your girlfriend. I wonder why they took that out of the NES version?
Thanks! Yeah, I don't know why they took that out of the NES version of Renegade. Seems like instead of Kunio shaking hands with Hiroshi at the end, they could've easily had Mr. K embrace his girlfriend.
Cool video, I love the Kunio-kun series. I enjoyed your gags/jokes here--keep it up man! But not like Mario's throbbing...mushroom.
+Jimmy Hapa (Import Gaming FTW!) Thanks, dude! I was worried people couldn't tell those were "jokes". I figured you'd be into the Kunio-kun series. I'd like to check out some of the games that never made it here to the States.
Nice videos, definitely subscribing!
Thanks!
Awesome video mate, thumbs up!
Thanks! I've actually thought about remaking it cuz my videos are much better now.
I 'd leave this it's perfectly fine, maybe do a follow up on the whole series, the Hockey game is really good and there is a fan translation for it if you want English text, it's not required for the gameplay however.
@@9ElevenGamer You don't even wanna know how long I've been planning something like that. But I need to add more Kunio games to the library first. That hockey one is tops on the list!
The only one that is a tad on the shite side is the Cross Country game, I don't know this for sure but a good friend who has similar taste in games told me it's pretty bad.
Holy Crap. The Double Dragon remixed theme in the beginning is awesome!
It's by Vomitron. You should check out their NES covers.
The Arcade Archives for Nintendo Switch allows you to choose between the Japanese and US versions of Renegade.
That's awesome!
You got a new sub, that joke at 9:24 really caught me off guard :)
+Crash Kunio Glad you liked it! Thanks for subbing!
Funny that large female character in the Kunio game was featured as a partner in the one 3DS Kunio Kun game.
Glad that you did the The Warriors look alike xD
Peter J. Anchor G. It's very similar....
+Westapo yeah, very obvious bc of the jacket/uniform they use and probably they did it cuz the subway stage has great resemblance
Great video
Funny how Renegade.Nekketsu had no slow down, but Double Dragon did.
I love the NES version of Renegade!! I still bust it out, from time to time, to play it. Dig the review, brutha!
Thanks! Renegade rocks!
First arcade game I ever finished as a kid. I was obsessed with beat 'em ups after playing this.
Damn, you finished it?! The arcade is brutal with save states!
@@NefariousWes I cheese it a little bit. hehe. The trick to beating the game is to exploit the back kick for the bosses. You try and leave the last thug alive that will still trigger the boss to come out and fight you. Then try and place yourself between the thug and boss and when you face the thug, but hit the opposite direction attack, it will do the back kick. The back kick has a lot more reach than the punches and the kick will do lots of damage. It can be tricky because you don't want to kill the last normie in the level while you're juggling handling the boss. :)
@@rodneyabrett Thanks for the tip, I'll hafta give that a shot.
Renegade, otherwise known as "Mr. K versus the Overbite Gang"
In the translated version of the original Kunio Kun on the Double Dragon & Kunio Kun Retro Brawler Bundle, Kunio says "Beat it, scum!" after you defeat a boss character, just like the enemies in Renegade say after they defeat Kunio. And the female enemies say "Scram, nerd!" instead of "You giving up already?".
Great review and info on a NES Classic!
+Billy Disaster Thank you, and thanks for watching!
2:14 "THE BOYS!!! And Crash."
Won't Say, Renegade AND Nekketsu Kouha Kunio-kun Are Totally Different, Cause.... The Game That Best Fits Comparing Nekketsu-series (Or Kunio-kun Games), Is Double Dragon. Why? In PC Engine Version (Also Known To US As Turbografx-16), There ACTUALLY IS A Double Dragon Theme Playing Against The Dragon Boys (Dubbed In American Version Of "River City Ransom" As Randy And Andy). And This Wasn't On Any Other Console Ports, Including Sharp X36800.
Renegade SEEMS Like One Of The Nekketsu-series Game, But, I Digress. It's Totally Different, Looking At The Story Itself. And There's ANOTHER Renegade Game, Maybe Called, "Target Renegade", For NES. That Game, Obviously Proves, That There's NO ACTUAL Connection Of Renegade With Any Of Nekketsu-series Games. But Sure, Double Dragon Also Has Two Lead Characters, Billy And Jimmy Lee, The "Double Dragon". THEY, Have No Similarity With THE Double Dragon Boys From River City Ransom, However, They WOULD Represent Kunio (Alex In USA) And Riki (Ryan In USA).
So, In ALL Conclusion, And Sort Of Theory And Research, And I Quote, "Renegade != Nekketsu Kouha Kunio-kun". Case Closed.
As the AVGN would put it "it's one of those games" short but hard as hell. Like the Karate Kid.
Huh...i have the American version of this for the NES, Renegade but for MAME I have the Japanese version Nekketsu Koha Kunio-kun. Never played the famicom port, only the NES port. Need to try and find the American arcade version for MAME. I want to see the differences between the Arcade versions.
Not sure why the American release didn't change the hairstyles of the characters. Pompadours seem to be the popular hairstyle amongst Japanese delinquents. If you wore a pompadour in America, you'd get laughed off the street. Did they think players wouldn't notice? Renegade seems to turn the plot of Kunio-kun into Roadhouse. The ending in Kunio is pretty cute though.
spaceghostdragon I'd say Renegade's plot is closer to The Warriors, which is what I think they were going for.
Though the Mr. K does sound like it could be named after Kunio, when I played this in the arcade (without any knowledge of the Kunio-Kun games,) I used to say that Mr. K was actually Sensei John Kreese, which explains how he became such a violent psychopath.
Great video! I was wondering if the Famicom version had the super-deformed sprites from the later Kunio-kun games. I'm having a lot of fun with it now; finally just made it to Mission 4 (but just my luck, I picked the door leading to Kim).
Thanks, man! Ooh, bumping into Kim is a great way to end your run! I avoid her at all costs! See, I told you it wouldn't take long to get the hang of it, and then it starts getting really fun! And yeah, I'm pretty sure the SD Kunio sprites didn't become the standard until the next game, Super Dodge Ball. But I did find a hack that changes all of the sprites on the Japanese version, so that it conforms to the art style of the later games in the series. It's pretty cool!
Sorry to post again. This game is being included in the Kunio Kun Collection that is coming out on the Switch, PS4, XBONE and Steam.
That's awesome!
What kind of video editing program did you use for this?
Also, great video! I love the Kunio Series
Thanks! Sony Vegas. Its a very popular program amongst TH-camrs.
"2AM is no time to be alone in the subway, and you're about to find out why" was an actual public safety campaign that NYC tried out, didn't work. You can find a subway poster of it on eBay.
Or I'm lying.
Which is better?
+Lunar Caustic Ask Bernie Goetz.
Great shirt
As a kid I thought the story was cool!! Because of the whole bad guy movie punks mythology and new york being a dangerous city where every movie and comic was set almost. 80s man.
Also i learned that women also do actually feel pain when need between the legs. I also assumed the girl gang were prostitutes.
The NES cover alone is epic art work!! They need to make a movie of this!
I liked Target: Renegade on the NES. That soundtrack was awesome!
SlyBeast Yeah, the soundtrack is pretty good.
Sweet comparison! One thing I will mention is that the Kunio-kun version will kick your ass back to the main menu, whilst Renegade will leave you hanging on a black screen forever proclaiming that this is, indeed, "The End". Despite the apparent jankiness, Renegade will always hold a place in my heart, and I'll always give it a run if I have 15 minutes or so to spare.
Thanks, man! Yeah, Renegade is one of my go-to games. I love it cuz it's a quick pick up 'n play.
i just played and beat nekketsu renegade kunio kun i love it as a big double dragon fan it is great to beat og beat em up
Oh damn! I didn't realize it till I watched this video. But River City: Tokyo Rumble is basically more of a sequel to this game than it is River City Ransom. All of the bossed in this game show up. Most of them as your team mates!
I haven't played nearly all of the games in the Kunio-kun series, but from what I've seen so far is that most of these characters reprise their roles in the later games. It's pretty cool. They also make appearances in River City Ransom, but the names were changed in the US.
I get that, but I finished Tokyo Rumble, like, a day ago(it made me go out and look around for River City content), and in that game, Kunio collects 3 party members that join him in that game. They're the first 3 bosses of this game. And the final boss of that game is the final boss of this game.
It feels like a 1-to-1 continuation of Nekketsu Kōha Kunio-kun's story as opposed to Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari's story(even though the gameplay is pure Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari).
DarthEnderX I'll hafta play it. I have some of the series on Famicom, but can't keep the titles straight. I plan on covering them sometime in the future.
I'd love to see you do a comparison between River City Ransom and it's Famicom version!
DarthEnderX I was actually planning on comparing the NES version with the GBA one. The Famicom version will have too much Japanese text unless there's a translation patch that isn't just the American version.
I lived his life almost exactly in 1986!
Great video! The Bernie Goetz mention- I thought that guy was completely forgotten! NOFX shirt? I HEARD THEY SUCK LIVE
Jasen Weitekamp Ha ha, you're only the second person to mention that reference. And yeah, you heard correctly.
海外の人には、日本の1980年代の不良文化って分かるかなあ？
Takeshi Saitama
多分わかってないんじゃない？
Cool video. I have target renegade. I'll have to get renegade now.
Thanks! Renegade is a cheap one.
My favorite part is outta nowhere, “Sabu is one ugly son of a b*tch!!!!
Renegade is Death Wish with Chuck Norris as the lead.
8:44 wow.... Mr. Tokuda 😆🤣🤣
Cool info about this game but OH GOD, the crappy filters on the gameplay footage. WHY would anyone use that? :(
BG Pixlarn To deter people from stealing the footage. But I'm over that now.
punk rock forever
Riki would later become Ryan in River City Ransom.
7:52 karens are dangerous entity back in the 90s
Could Renegade and Kunio-Kun be considered to be separate games?
I've beaten the arcade version of Renegade and there seems to be a lot of difference between it and the NES version.
Not one mention of the power-ups ???
I remember getting a heart if you defeated an enemy in a certain spot of a level . You would see a white floating heart after defeating an enemy - you’d have to jump or walk into it & you were able to send enemies flying off the screen with one punch !
Also a T would appear when on the street bike level . Defeat a enemy on the bike at a certain spot the T would flash drive into it and the bike would take off at a high rate of speed . I assumed the T stood for Turbo .
Anyone come across this playing this classic ?????
Not important for this video. Hearts are extra lives, and the 'P' gives you super power for a short time. There are also hidden burgers, but they're completely redundant.
At least you don't have to beat the game twice. Nice NOFX shirt, BTW.
Thanks. I got it the last time I saw 'em live where they played The Longest Line EP in its entirety! The only time I've heard 'em play The Death of John Smith live, which is my all-time favorite NOFX song.
i had renegade for nes since 91 and the game still works great and still like the game like if it was late 80s and early 90s lol
badass video
Thanks!
I loved target renegade waaaay better than this. I always got lost in the maze at the end. Got to the boss once by accident. Had 1 life and one bar of health left. I popped in the room and he shot me. Game over.
Yeah, that happens. Luckily the game is really short.
Cool, another classic from childhood, funny though, I don't remember varied difficulties,
how are they gotten?
From the title screen, by either selecting Levels 1-3.
waaaaaaaaariorrrsss... come out to plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyeeeeeee
Dammit! Had to stop watching, too many spoilers for me. Haven't played Renegade. Now I know the origins, and must do more research for all the Kunio-kun games! I just barely found out there was an SNES game (with translation) so I need to hunt that down.
The damn arcade game threw me off big time! Had I known it was related, I would of thrown quarters at the machine!
Wow do the sprites look better on your video than what I play? I just bought this game a couple of week ago..this game hurts the shit outta my fingers especially when you fight 3 bosses at the same time. By the time I get to sabu I'm effed!!!
What do you play it on? I played this on a Retron 5 for this footage, BUT I used a filter, so it doesn't look as sharp as it should. I did a no-death run of Kunio-kun a year and a half ago for a challenge and did not use a filter that time, so the pixels are sharp.
Check it out if you wanna see my Sabu strategy.
@@NefariousWes Oops it was a typo...I meant WHY do the sprites look better on your video than when I play it. I play it on the regular NES. No clue what a retron is...probably an emulator. And I'll check out how to get through sabu. My main issue is all the other enemies like the 3 Jacks and Colts....my main weapon is the jump kick. Seems really ineffective to use punches when you're fighting a group of people.
@@JBalderas1990 The Retron 5 is a clone system that uses HDMI, so it's in 720p. The jump kicks are pretty much what I use, but the dash punch is really effective as long as you don't miss.
Also, I pin the guys a lot and punch 'em, but with tougher enemies they hafta be almost dead, otherwise they toss you off.
who is that girl in 8:43? I need it for research purposes.
I do like these "Royale With Cheese" comparisons of games, though. Hope there's more of them in the pipeline...
Yeah, I still hafta do Battletoads: NES vs. Genesis.
dont forget mastersystem and game boi.. XD. famicom game is a lot like the genesis version..(balance wise/ difficulty wise i think they're the same)
'the fuck is a Royale with Cheese?
A Quarter Pounder. The metric system, man, the metric system!
Jobu 2112
you serious?
who else goes to jav for me after seeing this?? XD
YOu Giving up AlreadY!?
That pixel smoothing filter you use for the emulation looks pretty bad. Might as well stick with regular pixels.
zogmorp Nah.
Renegade and River City Ransom sucks.
If Technōs Japan wanted the Kunio-kun franchise to appeal to us Americans, they should've rewritten Kunio and his friends as foreign exchange students in New York.
Nice comparison! Is Target: Renegade any better?
+The Dali Popka Target: Renegade isn't a true sequel, as I think it was only released for American audiences. Wasn't developed by Technos. That being said, I don't think it's all that great of a game, but Niko would tell you otherwise. River City Ransom is more of a true sequel to Renegade.
fair assessment but TR plays a lot more like renagade. while RCR has what id consider the kunio kun engine and art style and game play most of there other games like super doge world cup, crash n the boys used as well as a bunch of others in japan we dide get inluding RCR2 and other sports titles.. target renegade is tough though.! but still one of the best nes soundtracks imo so thats something. great vid btw!
Thanks, Bene. Sounds like I need to dust off Target: Renegade and give it another go. I haven't played it in a loooong time.
same here.. im not gonna say its great.. i never finished it..
I love Target :Renegade.
Its really hard tho imo
I remember being very disappointed after beating renegade
Yeah. Pretty lame.
You ain't tough enough for me.
I thought that Kung Fu for the NES was the first beat-em-up (which came out years before Renegade)
As strictly a side-scrolling beat 'em up that is true. But for traditional beat 'em ups such as Double Dragon and Final Fight, Renegade was the first as far as I know.
Anyone knows the JAV's girl from this video?
@taro youtube Thank you very much!
Renegade they jump you in this game
Whats the JAV code? For research purposes...
I am not convinced they are the same game. In my opinion they are two different games. I think they used the same game engine to build two completely different games.
Clearly they wanted a Japanese game and a Western Game. I am not convinced that they thought a Japanese beat em up would not sell in America.
I suspect that the makers of the game like American/western culture and wanted make a game for that culture.
bighands69 They play EXACTLY the same. I suggest that you try 'em out and experience them for yourself.
WOW, what a fucking BS ending for the NES... The bike parts look cool, but I cant get past area one..
I bet they didnt get far enough to see the chicks getting beat up hahahaha MAYBE ill try this one again
+RewindMike You should try it again, its really easy to get into. Really short game.
Kunio kun is better than renegade change my mind
in RCR,Kunio and Rikki work together.... we're they rivals? I never knew when I first played it
I don't know, but I plan on doing a River City Ransom NES Vs. GBA video here sometime in the future. I'll make sure to find out by then and include it in the video.
Westapo ok. But I love all RCR games, and Technos Corp.
Yeah, me too!
+Westapo quick question, have you ever reviewed RCR?
No. I'm just gonna do a Vs. episode like I mentioned before.
Wait, what's wrong with Rivercity ransom? Why is it infamous?
I like River City, but I feel that it's a bit overrated.
Oh ok, it's personal then.
I don't want to be the wise guy, but you should be careful with this kind of statements, since when your audience grows (which I hope it will do very soon) people would really pay attention to and maybe get upset and angry at you for any possible reason. Try not to give them reasons to.
Eh, that's not my style. I don't really care what other people think. I make these videos for myself first and foremost. And I've discovered that people will get angry for anything--that's their issue, not mine. If an opinion of someone that they don't even know about video games makes people angry and upset, well, then they have much bigger problems to worry about. It's definitely not going to change how I do things.
Sick shirt!!&
9:03 facials?
Famicom all day long. Intro music is better alone. Of course America has to ruin things.
LMAO Bernie Goetz
It only took damn-near a year for someone to finally acknowledge that reference!
the Japanese version cover art of kunio-kun strongly resembles Kazuma Kuwabara from the yuyu hakusho anime series just without the blue uniform cool!!!!!!!
Not familiar with that series but I just Googled it and yeah, it does look similar. Awesome Venom avatar, by the way!
Thank you my bro i am a big fan of yuyu hakusho and old anime series and movies keep it up great work!!!!!!!
+KALIBUR777 Thanks. I dig old anime like Fist of the North Star, Vampire Hunter D, Violence Jack and Devilman--which I have a tattoo of. Its hard for me to get into newer anime.
wow!!!!!!! you read my mind broski yup same here dude
I was responding to a comment and saw you switched your awesome Venom avatar to a bad-ass Carnage one! I have a Carnage tattoo on the opposite shoulder of my Devilman one. You seem like someone I could kick it with.
It wuda been better if u wuda shown the arcade version instead. Cos (no disrespect but) the Nintendo version u've shown was whack as fuck, yo. The arcade reveals more detail to the graphics themselves if you were g'Na compare and put 2 & 2 2g3tHa.
I completely butchered version of the original source material imo, gonna keep just with the japanese one
Bob 😂
HAHA the old man!!
+Lunar Caustic He was perfect!
Lunar Caustic welp time to look for that vid
ack!...NOFX
U.S.A.
The smoothing filter on the video capture made me raise an eyebrow, but the casually sexist and supremely unfunny Midol joke made me turn this off. Have you ever met a woman? You know that women aren’t fiends for Midol, right? Midol is literally just Tylenol.