I clearly say which bike would be a better buy towards the end of the video. Some of the reasons are evident. Others would be a personal choice. Which one would be yours? MT09 SP or the 890R?
I took the MT09 and never looked back. The MT09 does a good job on all things but just blows it out of the park on some really important items. The engine is the best I have ever had.
As an mt09 owner, it's an amazing machine. I've owned gsxs1000f, cb1000r, tuono v4 1100 factory and s1000xr. I've not thought I need more power on the mt. It pulls from any revs and goes like a rocket. Over 100mph is only when the bigger bikes had more, but how often do we really rode at those speeds.
Great comparison! I chose the 890R after riding both. The KTM's power is superior to the Yamaha's due to the strong mid range. The Yamaha was odd; strong low end and strong top end, but weak mid range where lot's of riding is done.
Interesting observation. I would not say the MT09 has a "weak" mid range. Rather, it is non linear. But it is true that the KTM packs a punch in terms of torque delivery.
Yep, the mt09 has a flat area in the mid range... and also uses only aprox 80% throttle in the last 2-3 gears, its also choked a lot to pass Euro5 regs. Put a full exhaust system, DNA intake and remap it and it will gain about 10bhp, the flat spot will disappear.. as will the speed limiter... and it will be capable of 160mph.. but that speed won't be much fun.😂
From what I understand it’s because Yamaha neutered the mid range on the mt-09. Because of euro 5. Granted the ktm might be the same way… but there’s a few videos out there of people flashing the Yamahas ecu and showing how even at wide open throttle the bike isn’t actually giving you 100%
As an owners of the KTM, that superior power is your perception, not reality. Look at dyno charts and you’ll see they almost mirror one another. I went the R route because everything fitted on the bike was superior, but the performance difference is negligible.
I found on track the more smooth power climb out of corners of three and four cylinder motorcycles allowed better track times. The high out put twins come on so hard you break traction or bring the front wheel up so easy you can not push exits. By the time you’re straight from the corner and can let it rip the threes and fours are spoiled up and gone.
There is one thing that separates KTM from the rest, The Fun factor, If you want the ultimate Fun on a Motorcycle, and giggle your ass off in your helmet everytime you whack open that throttle, nothing comes close to a KTM, whether it is the 390 or the 1290.
It’s all fun untill it starts leaking every fluid known to man lol, or when you stand aside the road because of some weird unedentified rattle noise from the engine. I’d say only buy a ktm as your primary bike if you have some mechanical knowledge to work on it by yourself.
Yamaha is made like butter KTM better quality and finish.. yamaha TFT is terrible also dont like the skinny forks. KTM is 121hp and can be with cruise control too. i bough the KTM duke R 2022 with techpack and cruise control over the yamaha simply because there is nothing like it on market. The torque is amazing. lots of character and lots of fun
That's interesting what you say. Congratulations mate! The Yamaha SP has incredible suspension though. The KYB suspension in front and the Showa at the rear are actually superb. But your Duke R is a fantastic machine regardless!
@@KrishnenduKes I get what you saying But nothing wrong with WP suspension at all. Plus KTM hands down have better brakes. I think overall KTM is better package out of box. Good to mention yamaha dont come with steering damper. Any of them is great choice 👌 and best in middle class.
@@David-ye1pk You are right. The KTM comes with the Brembo brakes and hands down they are better than the Yamaha. The WP suspension is really good too. Yes, they are both great bikes.
The KTM may be a higher quality, sharper performing bike overall but calling the MT09's frame 'butter' isn't right.. or fair. It's a new frame for 21 with 30mm lowered headstock height, reduced fork rake geometry and is a lot stiffer than the old one. In a nutshell... if you have the money the 890R is the better bike overall.. but if on a budget the mt09 sp is a no brainer with its impressive value for money. Its probably going to be more reliable too if the 790 model reliability stories are anything to go by.
It doesn't "need" to be research based. Motorcycles in this category aren't supposed to make sense...they are supposed to be enjoyable and make you happy. I "feel" the KTM, so that's what I got. As pointed out it does have a 6 axis IMU. $800 is a small price to pay for the Tech pack, when you consider the Akro and flash is $2500 🤣
Cannot go wrong with any of Japanese big-4. KTM is more or less now a gamble with your money - either you get 25% chance for a reliable bike, or you get a lemon for the 75% of the time.
So, you're saying that 3 out of 4 KTM customers get lemons but still KTM is one of the most respected and sought after brands. Maybe people keep buying them hoping to not get a lemon next time, right?
@@cnromcompared to japanese bikes, ktm’s are pretty unreliable. The 1290 and 690 are good engines tho because they are still made in austria. My Z900 for example has 30k of abused miles and never had a single issue😅
@@Snotroggel453 Where the bike is made doesn't make any difference, every manufacturer builds it's production factory wherever in the world is financially more suited, Honda's CBRs, for instance, are made in Thailand and India, just Google “Thai Honda Manufacturing Co “ and “Honda Motorcycle & Scooter India, Pvt. “, the Goldwing is also made in India, does this mean that Honda's are unreliable? Your example doesn't say much really, my work is 38km away so I do a lot of riding, 80-100km daily, all year around since 1999 and from all the bikes I had the only lemon I ever got was a Kawasaki ZRX 1200R, should I think the Kawasakis are unreliable? I think not. Never happened to have a problem with KTMs or Yamahas, and my current Duke has 30000km now of daily thrashing without any issue. What that tells me is that there are no “bad” bikes nowadays, not from known makers, only poor mechanics and ignorant owners (and, once in a long while, sheer bad luck).
Hi, I have to disagree about the electronic packages section. The 890R comes also with a 6 axis IMU lean sensitive ABS, lean sensitive Traction Control out of the box they act differently according to the riding mode you are in. The track pack (or the tech pack which includes track pack + shifter) allows you to disconnect anti-wheelie and still having traction control on, and the Traction Control on 9 levels. The only main diff is the optional shifter on the KTM. On the other side, it's indeed a shame to have this electronic options considering the price of the bike. Also you can't tell that the Yamaha has better suspensions ! Maybe the Ohlins shock is on par with the WP shock but certainly not the KYB fork with the WP one !! I have to add that I own a 890 R out of honesty.
That is a good comment. Thank you for your inputs. I own neither of them. I have just been selling these bikes on a regular basis. As for the suspension goes, I must say, in my feedback, that this particular KYB on the SP version not only matches up to the suspension of the 890R but surpasses it. It is pretty darn good.
You can also, add cruse control to the 890r along with heated grips. I also own a 890r and would still choose it over the MT09 if I was buying again today, it's just kitted out better
Also every MT 09 SP had a 3-4k dealer addendum upcharge so it was more than the KTM....You couldn't even find one and if you did you were going to pay....bought my KTM under MSRP....
@@kirkdunn1379 I have two friends and one guy up at the track with KTMs and they love them. All three have continuous problems with small oil leaks and coolant loss. I have ridden both of my friends bikes and to be honest with you I don’t see the MT09 or the 890r having any real advantage on or off track over each other. I do believe however the Yamaha will not suffer the on going nagging little problems of all three KTMs. Parts are somewhat easy to get for the Yamaha and cheaper. Insurance and taxes are cheaper for the Yamaha. For a tenth of a second per lap the money difference is not worth it to me.
@@walterjohnson2031 the KTM has better brakes, tires, chassis for sure....slight edge in HP and torque but 3 cyl vs 2 which is preference....I am 3-4k up and won't keep it long enough to worry.....but I raced KTM MX bikes and never had issues.. .....KTM build quality is above the norm if you don't get a quirky issue....engine componets, design, hardware is alot better than japanese.... Their isn't a bad bike to be had....but all have issues....paying 4k over would have been a bad move no matter how you slice it....too big of a margin and didn't love looks of yami...... That's why there are many choices for people to choose from If your happy all that matters
KTM anyday. It delivers power more agressively and just feels lighter and more flickable. I like tripples, but the parallel twin is more raw and fun IMO. The WP suspemsion is superb for both street and track. Definitely buy the tech pack. You will want that quick shifter. BTW, the KTM does have 6 axis IMU based traction control and ABS as well as standard equipment.
You are absolutely right. It does have the 6 axis IMU. I think that I mentioned it in the original 890 review film. Yes, I would recommend the Tech pack too.
The two bikes are so close together it’ll boil down to availability and dealership experience. I’m luckily situated between two excellent Yamaha and KTM dealers so we’ll see how things go when new inventory arrives in March ‘23!
That's actually very true. I made this video when both bikes were available with us. But you are right that dealership experience matters. And also I believe that what matters is availability of parts and accessories.
KTM duke series are money pits that you have long repairing lists including, engine oil leak, coolant leak, oil pump failure, water pimp failure and some other electric faults. Can’t deny KTMs are really fun and unique bikes to ride, but reliability and quality control just led it down. I’ve owned a 2nd gen 1290 duke R for 3 yrs, and sold it after endless repairing and purchased a 23 Yamaha MT10. It’s amazing as well but much much more reliable. KTMs are for rich guys that have several backup bikes, then KTMs are so fun to own. If folks can only afford 1-2 bikes and have to use as a commuter, then go for the Japs brands, you won’t be regretful.
I have owned an Enfield, 2 Yamahas, a Kawasaki and now a KTM for commuting (70km a day for years on each bike), all bikes bought new and the only bike proved to be a lemon was the Kawasaki (ZRX 1200R), would it be safe to state that Kawasakis are money pits for folks that have money to throw?
The Yamaha is a great motorcycle, the refinement of its engine and its sound are the best, the driving position leaves the front end very loose and nervous for sporty driving. The character, the lightness, the supermotard stance and the stability that the KTM transmits are hard to beat, the 890 Duke feels like it has the agility of a small 250 but with the torque and power of a 1000cc, I love that bike it brings the best of each world. Side by side, the Duke is also much prettier for my taste. So for me KTM, the "all black" version is my favorite.
They dont call it the scalpel for nothing...the razor sharp handling of ktm's is another level...i used to own the 2013 duke 690 ...it was really fun riding them hard on the twisties
I bought the 890r after riding my 2004 r1 for 17 years. The mt09 is a great bike as well but I wanted a great handling bike. The 890r is so much fun, super light and moves around like a mountain bike.
The 890R is a great little track day kind of bike and a really very focused for that. In everyday riding on the mean streets the MT09 out performs the Duke by a fairly large margin. Two equal riders on a track prove the difference on the track between these two bikes is just almost a toss up.
@@walterjohnson2031 hey Walter, I bought the Duke mostly because it feels like I'm riding a mountain bike with a motor. I really like it around town and the highway. The Yamaha is an awesome bike as well but the SP model is limited in numbers. 👍🤘
Add the rock solid reliability and longer maintenance intervals of the Yamaha as well and it's tough to beat. They need to figure out how to make their brakes better. They do everything else so well.
Give the rotors a light buffing and then spray them down with disc brake cleaner. Install new pucks from a good aftermarket source. Replace brake lines with quality braided ones. Be careful as you may depart the bike on brake application now.
Top notch presentation of the differences and features. I would go with the Yamaha MT09. You could take the difference in price and have your MT09 ECU flashed and find more horsepower, buy a set of track day tires and riding gear. Tremendous amount of value and performance with the MT09.
I have to agree with you there. The MT09 is actually amazing value compared to the Duke 890R. Thanks for your appreciation of the work. Another comparison video coming up soon.
I fully agree! You can get projects going to make the MT09 (SP) lighter (mine weighs in at 182,7 kgs wet) and more powerful (pro-optimized fuelling etc. should see 116 - 120 whp) which translates into an even more agile force on the mountain passes and in the twisties 😎🏁✌
The KTM looks like a Black & Decker tool; I am not really hip on that. I also hate the sound of a typical twin, unless it has a 360 crank -- KTM does not have this. Also, by the way, the KTM's redline is not really determined by its number of cylinders. I used to have a Nija 250 twin that redlined at 14,000 rpms. It's more about how the engine is configured and where they want to set max torque and horsepower. I used to like high revving motors but those are better for the track. Lower revving bikes usually get better fuel mileage, with their taller gearing and them having less combustion events.
Hmm.. amongst the two bikes, I'd take the Yamaha XSR900, add a Dart Wind Screen, adjust the Suspension and a ReFlash to clean up a few fueling issues. No Exhaust upgrade Req'd. If for no other reason that KTM chose to go software feature upgrades. That's a Total Show 🤮🤮Stopper. The XSR900 at $10300 delivered (2023) is the deal.
👍Excellent explanation of the two bikes, Yamaha has achieved excellent results, but from what one hears here in Italy she has some problems ,1 ""the frame is very weak and breaks easily in knocks or falls"" 2 "" l 'front end that lightens a lot at speed and causes annoying swaying " KTM from what I have heard only oil and radiator fluid leaks. Hello and thanks for your commitment on the bikes👍
Thank you so much for your feedback. Interesting to hear about oil leaks on the KTM. That would be annoying on track. As for the Yamaha frame breaking, that's very strange to hear. I know it is a new frame. And I have been riding my MT-09 for 3 years and I can say that it is pretty solid.
@KrishnenduKes The new MT09 frame is lighter but defo weaker than the old one. I've seen a few broken frames mostly from being dropped onto these stick out single crash bobbins that some people fit. Fit full cage bars only if you are looking to fit any form of crash protection.
@KrishnenduKes reactive suspension i'm in the uk. Just go to any motorbike suspension specialist and they can work their magic, i've learned a lot from dave moss videos but people who do it all day everyday are always going to get it perfect for you first time.
@@Dtp2296 Got it! Thanks mate. I live in the Philly area in the US. There is this amazing guy called "Solid Performance" who usually people go to for setting up their suspension.
Apart from the Specs: I've taken both to the limit, throwing them hard in the twisties. After the first hard run on the MT09 I felt kind of ready for a break. On the 890 I fehlt ready for the next run.
Hello Krish, I just looked at the KTM the other day and love it. The Yamaha seems like a great value however. So I'll go check it out soon, perhaps today. Peace friend and great video
I have always been drooling over KTM, but after reading on forums and Facebook groups the problems people have with KTM and lack of support from KTM. I said hell no and went with 2023 mt09sp. 800$ for the tech pack 🤦🏻♂️
Congrats on your new MT09SP! You cannot go wrong with either honestly. However, the KTM support really depends on where you are. Where I stay, KTM support is outstanding, both in terms of availability and tech support. Also, we see very few KTM bikes coming in for support really.
Yamaha MT-09SP for me... if I were in the market for either of these fine bikes. I am not, as I bought a 2021 MT-09 last summer, and am extremely happy with it.
Both outstanding bikes. I went with the KTM based solely on availability.. One mistake you made, the KTM does come with cruise control as an option (I have it).
Which country are you from? Edit: There is no Cruise Control option on the 2022 or 2023 versions in the US. I am currently shooting the 2023 version and I will be bringing out the film soon. But no cruise control here.
@@KrishnenduKes I’m in the U.S. I have a 2022 890 R with cruise control. It has to be unlocked in the ECU just like the other options and you have to order the handle bar cluster from KTM.
@@davidskinner9276 Thanks for your input. I honestly did not know. And I do not see it on KTM's website. But as you said, I guess, it is a part & accessories thing and will have to be added separately as a hardware. Thanks again. Edit: Just checked on the parts of KTM. It is available. And it is not exactly cheap. But hey... you are right. Thank you!
@@KrishnenduKes Hello!! If it is true, I just bought a new KTM 890 R 2023 and yes I had to buy the Tech Pack but the grip heating system is separate, I think it is worth 600 euros, the Tech pack cost me 700 euros apart from the value of the motorcycle but hey you can also put and activate the cruise control and the tire pressure measurement
The KTM looks so much better. The KTM looks like the future were the Yamaha looks like the past. Excellent presentation.( I will subscribe even though you said the Yamaha is your pick and I own a KTM. That's just a bit of a jive comment) keep well.
Good question- having owned 3 Yammys in the past I`ll always like them, but after getting a new kTm last year I love kTms and will work my way up to the latest and best of the Duke and/or Adventure models. Having said that, I also like Harleys and Triumps having owned them in the past, but at the moment I`m sold on kTm.
let's just say that if my experience dealing with KTM corporate was better (because, you know, KTM reliability), I'd certainly be looking at an 890 or 990. But since it wasn't, I'm looking at an 09.
@@KrishnenduKesvery good acceleration with meaty low and mid, upright seating, less likely to lose licence with cruise control and naked feels faster than fairing at lower actual speed...
I'm currently in the market of buying between these 2. I'm leaning towards the MT-09 as it seems to be the perfect fit for what I want, not to mention it comes with all the bells and whistles as standard. Maybe in the future I would get a KTM Duke if I want a little track missile that I can throw through the curves
First review I've seen that claims the WP Apex suspension setup on the Duke is inferior to that of the MT. That rear Ohlins unit on the SP isn't the best quality
I am not saying that the WP is inferior. It is legendary as I mention. But I find the SP version suspension to be outstanding and "arguably" better, again "anecdotal".
i got the 890 duke r. yamaha dealers here charged well above msrp making it way more expensive than duke. in the end, duke was the one i wanted in the first place anyway and those hick ups made it even more logical.
Yep, 3-4k markups on SP and I looked damn near nationwide....plus there were just none to be found.....maybe different now....this was like 9 months ago.....I wanted the KTM first as well....raced their dirtbikes and bike just looks better.....better componets, handling, etc.....and really the stylema brakes sold me.....nothing like great set of brakes on a perfect chasis😊
@@kirkdunn1379 3-4K Mark up? Really? Where I work, we sold at MSRP + the freight & prep fees that actually account for close to 1.2K and then taxes. But yes, those Stylema brakes on the KTM are really good.
if both were the same price, which would you choose? in my country they have the same price tag(even tech pack included on KTM) and I don't know which one to choose.
That is a very tough question to answer! If both are the same price and you are even getting the tech pack on the 890R, then I think that you should go buy the bike that has better after sales service in the region where you will be riding. Also check for the pricing of parts & accessories.
I would have preferred you ride each bike as well, then give your opinion. Specs only go so far. Also, I never liked the looks of the MT series. Way too much "plumbing" exposed on the outside of the engine. The KTM is a stunner. From other reviews I've read, 890r all the way. It's on my list as next bike next to Suzuki GSX S1000.
I have ridden both bikes. I own the MT for a few years now. As you can see from the comment section, there are both sides to the argument. Some have had a great experience with the KTM. Others less so. About the Yamaha, it is very consistent. The GSX S1000 is a bike I have no experience at all. Cannot comment.
@@KrishnenduKes Thanks for the response. In all the comments, I only read one with issues on the 890r and he was sorry he bought it. Maybe one is enough to reconsider. Also, lots of issues with the 790 mentioned and I know about electronic issues with the super duke. I just can't get past the looks of the MT09. It may be the Suzuki for me. It just has great reviews everywhere. I owned the original MT09 (2014 FZ09). Amazing engine, but the lousy seat and dangerous fuel mapping had me sell it after one season. I wish deciding on a new bike was easier. Not the worst of problems though 😁 Be well. Keep up the great reviews and do review the GSX S1000.
@@howardfreedman4289 Thanks mate. My suggestion always is this: buy the bike that pleases you. But buy the bike for which you can easily access parts and service depending on where you live. If the dealership gets the GSX S1000, I will make a film with it for sure. Thanks again for your comments and inputs. Ride safe. 🤙🏽🏍️🏍️
Can't agree with you on the Suspension and Electronics comparison..890R has arguably one of the best suspension ever fitted on to a motorcycle from the factory, and It has more electronic gizmos than MT09.
One of the best yes. But the MT SP version is equally good probably better. That is my personal experience. I find this MT09 SP has incredible suspension. As for the electronics package, for the Duke, you have to add on everything at an extra price. And it is pretty expensive. The MT SP version, it is already there.
Im waiting for yamaha mt 08 SP In India... My first love of bikes is only Yamaha... I rode an old Rx 100 it's just feels like riding a rocket.... But that's not mine bike ... So im waiting for yamaha mt 09 sp .. in India... They just lunch base model of mt 09 in India.... But i want Sp version very badly..
Here's what ppl forget brand wise or shall I say engine wise they all have a problem every manufacturer has its ups and downs price point Noone touches the yamaha I long for the aprillia for that turn heads affect but love the package yamaha has put out Noone can argue that
Would like to put the yamahas specs onto the KTM. But the 890DR is a clear winner for me, any day. The looks of the mt09 are just plain ugly and i would never like to look at it :D
But have you ridden the bikes? Paper and comparisons are abstract, riding a bike is a visceral and emotional experience. The 2020 MT09 felt clunky in the front end and it did not have the agility or the vibrant energy of the KTM Duke 890R. For a long trip, I would choose the MT09, but for a thrilling experience that does not put reliability first, the KTM wins hands down for a true race bike experience. Maybe the new model handles better, but nothing cuts like the scalpel.
The 2020 MT09 does not have the updated suspension and is plagued with what you mentioned. I was on the fence between the KTM and the Yamaha myself. But I decided to purchase the 2022 MT-09 SP... why? 2021+ have had their frames and suspensions updated. If you get the SP version it comes with all the goodies STANDARD. The technology, fully adjustable suspension, quick shifter ^ and v, as well as cruise control. Can't beat the value for the price. Plus it is VERY planted on its side with the suspension adjusted properly. Edit: grammar
Yamaha every day of the week for me save yourself some money on the extras with the Yamaha where as the KTM you have to pay alot more for the same function's Yamaha Yamaha Yamaha always
What matters with horse power and torque is not the maximum, but the *curve, and I think that there the winner is the KTM in this aspect as it has more power and torque where it counts, although the Yamaha has a wider plage of use from lower to higher RPM. The Yamaha is better for every day use, but the Duke wins on track.
Performance and reliability put together yes. No doubt. But there are other fun bikes too like the Ducati Monster, the GSX-S 750. But I really love the MT.
What? there is not even a comparison, the yamaha is a partsbin special with horrific handling and even the SP suspension doesn't save it, not to mention the garbage brakes, the KTM is in another league of it's own..
Sit longer and you will know that KTM is way more comfortable. Mt09 is extremely uncomfortable on long rides. KTM for me any day. The build quality is much better.
Interesting that you say that. Because I have owned both brands. I still have my MT and commute on it to work and have done rides to Lancaster and other places. And I also own KTM still. And as I said in the film, the difference in comfort is marginal for me and is not a deal breaker. Good that you prefer KTM and you enjoy the ride. However, in my opinion & experience, the new SP version from Yamaha, the handling of the MT has become phenomenal. Again, the difference with the WP suspension from KTM is marginal and should be a deal breaker.
I have sat on a 1290 super duke r and an MT-09, I would say it's a matter of preference and build. Both are comfortable enough for me to sit on for around 4-5 hours straight before needing to take a stretch break... but then again by the 4th hour my rear and legs are already starting to feel it lol
I clearly say which bike would be a better buy towards the end of the video. Some of the reasons are evident. Others would be a personal choice. Which one would be yours? MT09 SP or the 890R?
I went for the 890R, and it is by far the best bike i've owned. I use to ride sportbikes, but the 890 is something else
Congratulations mate. I am sure you will have amazing pleasure and fun riding that bike!
@@KrishnenduKes thanks, yes it's an epic bike
Same here, I have the Tech pack and crise control.
Trade is for the mt09sp you’ll be happy
@@er98ah it def isn't, the suspension just doesn't cut it for me. The WP suspension is another level
My wallet says MT09 but my heart says 890.
Lol true!
After one year I still feel the same😂 confused between these two
And your brain is saying hell no! To the KTM.
I took the MT09 and never looked back. The MT09 does a good job on all things but just blows it out of the park on some really important items. The engine is the best I have ever had.
It is tough to find fault with the MT09.
excellent video. i have the standard 2022 ktm 890 duke. love it. i did pay extra for cruise control and very happy even without the tech pack.
Thank you!
It is a great bike! I love the way it handles and the power delivery is amazing.
I am happy for you.
As an mt09 owner, it's an amazing machine. I've owned gsxs1000f, cb1000r, tuono v4 1100 factory and s1000xr. I've not thought I need more power on the mt. It pulls from any revs and goes like a rocket. Over 100mph is only when the bigger bikes had more, but how often do we really rode at those speeds.
This is spot on!
With all the problem I've had with my KTM I should have just gone with the MT09
I'm sorry to hear that.
Great comparison!
I chose the 890R after riding both.
The KTM's power is superior to the Yamaha's due to the strong mid range.
The Yamaha was odd; strong low end and strong top end, but weak mid range where lot's of riding is done.
Interesting observation. I would not say the MT09 has a "weak" mid range. Rather, it is non linear. But it is true that the KTM packs a punch in terms of torque delivery.
Yep, the mt09 has a flat area in the mid range... and also uses only aprox 80% throttle in the last 2-3 gears, its also choked a lot to pass Euro5 regs. Put a full exhaust system, DNA intake and remap it and it will gain about 10bhp, the flat spot will disappear.. as will the speed limiter... and it will be capable of 160mph.. but that speed won't be much fun.😂
From what I understand it’s because Yamaha neutered the mid range on the mt-09. Because of euro 5. Granted the ktm might be the same way… but there’s a few videos out there of people flashing the Yamahas ecu and showing how even at wide open throttle the bike isn’t actually giving you 100%
As an owners of the KTM, that superior power is your perception, not reality. Look at dyno charts and you’ll see they almost mirror one another. I went the R route because everything fitted on the bike was superior, but the performance difference is negligible.
I found on track the more smooth power climb out of corners of three and four cylinder motorcycles allowed better track times. The high out put twins come on so hard you break traction or bring the front wheel up so easy you can not push exits. By the time you’re straight from the corner and can let it rip the threes and fours are spoiled up and gone.
Nice review and breakdown of the bikes.
There is one thing that separates KTM from the rest, The Fun factor, If you want the ultimate Fun on a Motorcycle, and giggle your ass off in your helmet everytime you whack open that throttle, nothing comes close to a KTM, whether it is the 390 or the 1290.
It’s all fun untill it starts leaking every fluid known to man lol, or when you stand aside the road because of some weird unedentified rattle noise from the engine. I’d say only buy a ktm as your primary bike if you have some mechanical knowledge to work on it by yourself.
Yamaha is made like butter KTM better quality and finish..
yamaha TFT is terrible also dont like the skinny forks.
KTM is 121hp and can be with cruise control too.
i bough the KTM duke R 2022 with techpack and cruise control over the yamaha
simply because there is nothing like it on market.
The torque is amazing. lots of character and lots of fun
That's interesting what you say. Congratulations mate!
The Yamaha SP has incredible suspension though. The KYB suspension in front and the Showa at the rear are actually superb. But your Duke R is a fantastic machine regardless!
@@KrishnenduKes I get what you saying But nothing wrong with WP suspension at all. Plus KTM hands down have better brakes. I think overall KTM is better package out of box. Good to mention yamaha dont come with steering damper. Any of them is great choice 👌 and best in middle class.
@@David-ye1pk You are right. The KTM comes with the Brembo brakes and hands down they are better than the Yamaha. The WP suspension is really good too. Yes, they are both great bikes.
The KTM may be a higher quality, sharper performing bike overall but calling the MT09's frame 'butter' isn't right.. or fair.
It's a new frame for 21 with 30mm lowered headstock height, reduced fork rake geometry and is a lot stiffer than the old one.
In a nutshell... if you have the money the 890R is the better bike overall.. but if on a budget the mt09 sp is a no brainer with its impressive value for money. Its probably going to be more reliable too if the 790 model reliability stories are anything to go by.
Same, I added heated grips to there really good
It doesn't "need" to be research based. Motorcycles in this category aren't supposed to make sense...they are supposed to be enjoyable and make you happy. I "feel" the KTM, so that's what I got. As pointed out it does have a 6 axis IMU. $800 is a small price to pay for the Tech pack, when you consider the Akro and flash is $2500 🤣
Cannot go wrong with any of Japanese big-4. KTM is more or less now a gamble with your money - either you get 25% chance for a reliable bike, or you get a lemon for the 75% of the time.
The KTM fanboys are going to come after you!
So, you're saying that 3 out of 4 KTM customers get lemons but still KTM is one of the most respected and sought after brands.
Maybe people keep buying them hoping to not get a lemon next time, right?
@@cnromcompared to japanese bikes, ktm’s are pretty unreliable. The 1290 and 690 are good engines tho because they are still made in austria. My Z900 for example has 30k of abused miles and never had a single issue😅
@@Snotroggel453 Where the bike is made doesn't make any difference, every manufacturer builds it's production factory wherever in the world is financially more suited, Honda's CBRs, for instance, are made in Thailand and India, just Google “Thai Honda Manufacturing Co “ and “Honda Motorcycle & Scooter India, Pvt. “, the Goldwing is also made in India, does this mean that Honda's are unreliable?
Your example doesn't say much really, my work is 38km away so I do a lot of riding, 80-100km daily, all year around since 1999 and from all the bikes I had the only lemon I ever got was a Kawasaki ZRX 1200R, should I think the Kawasakis are unreliable? I think not.
Never happened to have a problem with KTMs or Yamahas, and my current Duke has 30000km now of daily thrashing without any issue.
What that tells me is that there are no “bad” bikes nowadays, not from known makers, only poor mechanics and ignorant owners (and, once in a long while, sheer bad luck).
Hi, I have to disagree about the electronic packages section. The 890R comes also with a 6 axis IMU lean sensitive ABS, lean sensitive Traction Control out of the box they act differently according to the riding mode you are in. The track pack (or the tech pack which includes track pack + shifter) allows you to disconnect anti-wheelie and still having traction control on, and the Traction Control on 9 levels. The only main diff is the optional shifter on the KTM. On the other side, it's indeed a shame to have this electronic options considering the price of the bike. Also you can't tell that the Yamaha has better suspensions ! Maybe the Ohlins shock is on par with the WP shock but certainly not the KYB fork with the WP one !! I have to add that I own a 890 R out of honesty.
That is a good comment. Thank you for your inputs. I own neither of them. I have just been selling these bikes on a regular basis. As for the suspension goes, I must say, in my feedback, that this particular KYB on the SP version not only matches up to the suspension of the 890R but surpasses it. It is pretty darn good.
You can also, add cruse control to the 890r along with heated grips.
I also own a 890r and would still choose it over the MT09 if I was buying again today, it's just kitted out better
Also every MT 09 SP had a 3-4k dealer addendum upcharge so it was more than the KTM....You couldn't even find one and if you did you were going to pay....bought my KTM under MSRP....
@@kirkdunn1379 I have two friends and one guy up at the track with KTMs and they love them. All three have continuous problems with small oil leaks and coolant loss.
I have ridden both of my friends bikes and to be honest with you I don’t see the MT09 or the 890r having any real advantage on or off track over each other. I do believe however the Yamaha will not suffer the on going nagging little problems of all three KTMs. Parts are somewhat easy to get for the Yamaha and cheaper. Insurance and taxes are cheaper for the Yamaha. For a tenth of a second per lap the money difference is not worth it to me.
@@walterjohnson2031 the KTM has better brakes, tires, chassis for sure....slight edge in HP and torque but 3 cyl vs 2 which is preference....I am 3-4k up and won't keep it long enough to worry.....but I raced KTM MX bikes and never had issues.. .....KTM build quality is above the norm if you don't get a quirky issue....engine componets, design, hardware is alot better than japanese....
Their isn't a bad bike to be had....but all have issues....paying 4k over would have been a bad move no matter how you slice it....too big of a margin and didn't love looks of yami......
That's why there are many choices for people to choose from
If your happy all that matters
KTM anyday. It delivers power more agressively and just feels lighter and more flickable. I like tripples, but the parallel twin is more raw and fun IMO. The WP suspemsion is superb for both street and track. Definitely buy the tech pack. You will want that quick shifter. BTW, the KTM does have 6 axis IMU based traction control and ABS as well as standard equipment.
You are absolutely right. It does have the 6 axis IMU. I think that I mentioned it in the original 890 review film.
Yes, I would recommend the Tech pack too.
The two bikes are so close together it’ll boil down to availability and dealership experience. I’m luckily situated between two excellent Yamaha and KTM dealers so we’ll see how things go when new inventory arrives in March ‘23!
That's actually very true. I made this video when both bikes were available with us. But you are right that dealership experience matters. And also I believe that what matters is availability of parts and accessories.
Not spending 800 euros on a damn DLC for a motorcycle, especially when the hardware is there and they just need to change some bits in the computer.
KTM duke series are money pits that you have long repairing lists including, engine oil leak, coolant leak, oil pump failure, water pimp failure and some other electric faults. Can’t deny KTMs are really fun and unique bikes to ride, but reliability and quality control just led it down. I’ve owned a 2nd gen 1290 duke R for 3 yrs, and sold it after endless repairing and purchased a 23 Yamaha MT10. It’s amazing as well but much much more reliable. KTMs are for rich guys that have several backup bikes, then KTMs are so fun to own. If folks can only afford 1-2 bikes and have to use as a commuter, then go for the Japs brands, you won’t be regretful.
I have owned an Enfield, 2 Yamahas, a Kawasaki and now a KTM for commuting (70km a day for years on each bike), all bikes bought new and the only bike proved to be a lemon was the Kawasaki (ZRX 1200R), would it be safe to state that Kawasakis are money pits for folks that have money to throw?
The Yamaha is a great motorcycle, the refinement of its engine and its sound are the best, the driving position leaves the front end very loose and nervous for sporty driving. The character, the lightness, the supermotard stance and the stability that the KTM transmits are hard to beat, the 890 Duke feels like it has the agility of a small 250 but with the torque and power of a 1000cc, I love that bike it brings the best of each world. Side by side, the Duke is also much prettier for my taste. So for me KTM, the "all black" version is my favorite.
Thanks for your input. Good to know your reasons for the KTM. 👍🏽
Did you ride one or something it kinda sounds like you're speaking out of your ass lol
They dont call it the scalpel for nothing...the razor sharp handling of ktm's is another level...i used to own the 2013 duke 690 ...it was really fun riding them hard on the twisties
Are you talking about the old mt09? Because they completely changed the new bike and front end is now completely compliant and friendly
I bought the 890r after riding my 2004 r1 for 17 years. The mt09 is a great bike as well but I wanted a great handling bike. The 890r is so much fun, super light and moves around like a mountain bike.
That 2004 R1 was an amazing motorcycle. I had one from 2006.
The 890R is a great little track day kind of bike and a really very focused for that. In everyday riding on the mean streets the MT09 out performs the Duke by a fairly large margin. Two equal riders on a track prove the difference on the track between these two bikes is just almost a toss up.
@@walterjohnson2031 You got it pretty nailed.
@@walterjohnson2031 hey Walter, I bought the Duke mostly because it feels like I'm riding a mountain bike with a motor. I really like it around town and the highway. The Yamaha is an awesome bike as well but the SP model is limited in numbers. 👍🤘
@@890r6 I ran an 890R around Barber Motor Sports Track 30 laps and it is a grand little track rocket
The bike with the cheese Melt Camshafts & dodgy cam chain tensioner is not the bike to buy ,
besides KTM are pretending these problems don’t exist.
Good comparison! Definitely, I will buy MT09 SP. 😍
Thank you. Yes it's a great bike! You will enjoy.
Add the rock solid reliability and longer maintenance intervals of the Yamaha as well and it's tough to beat. They need to figure out how to make their brakes better. They do everything else so well.
That is true.
Give the rotors a light buffing and then spray them down with disc brake cleaner. Install new pucks from a good aftermarket source. Replace brake lines with quality braided ones. Be careful as you may depart the bike on brake application now.
Top notch presentation of the differences and features. I would go with the Yamaha MT09. You could take the difference in price and have your MT09 ECU flashed and find more horsepower, buy a set of track day tires and riding gear. Tremendous amount of value and performance with the MT09.
I have to agree with you there. The MT09 is actually amazing value compared to the Duke 890R.
Thanks for your appreciation of the work.
Another comparison video coming up soon.
Agreed friend.
I fully agree! You can get projects going to make the MT09 (SP) lighter (mine weighs in at 182,7 kgs wet) and more powerful (pro-optimized fuelling etc. should see 116 - 120 whp) which translates into an even more agile force on the mountain passes and in the twisties 😎🏁✌
@@SirMountainpass What mods have you done to make it lighter?
The KTM looks like a Black & Decker tool; I am not really hip on that. I also hate the sound of a typical twin, unless it has a 360 crank -- KTM does not have this.
Also, by the way, the KTM's redline is not really determined by its number of cylinders. I used to have a Nija 250 twin that redlined at 14,000 rpms. It's more about how the engine is configured and where they want to set max torque and horsepower. I used to like high revving motors but those are better for the track. Lower revving bikes usually get better fuel mileage, with their taller gearing and them having less combustion events.
Interesting take.
Hmm.. amongst the two bikes, I'd take the Yamaha XSR900, add a Dart Wind Screen, adjust the Suspension and a ReFlash to clean up a few fueling issues. No Exhaust upgrade Req'd. If for no other reason that KTM chose to go software feature upgrades. That's a Total Show 🤮🤮Stopper. The XSR900 at $10300 delivered (2023) is the deal.
That's an interesting thought. There are folks who really like the looks of the XSR. And it is a great motor.
👍Excellent explanation of the two bikes, Yamaha has achieved excellent results, but from what one hears here in Italy she has some problems ,1 ""the frame is very weak and breaks easily in knocks or falls"" 2 "" l 'front end that lightens a lot at speed and causes annoying swaying " KTM from what I have heard only oil and radiator fluid leaks. Hello and thanks for your commitment on the bikes👍
Thank you so much for your feedback. Interesting to hear about oil leaks on the KTM. That would be annoying on track.
As for the Yamaha frame breaking, that's very strange to hear. I know it is a new frame. And I have been riding my MT-09 for 3 years and I can say that it is pretty solid.
@KrishnenduKes The new MT09 frame is lighter but defo weaker than the old one. I've seen a few broken frames mostly from being dropped onto these stick out single crash bobbins that some people fit.
Fit full cage bars only if you are looking to fit any form of crash protection.
Mt09, new rubber, professionally set the suspension up for your weight, exhaust and map and it's perfect
Wow! Amazing.
Who did your suspension setup?
@KrishnenduKes reactive suspension i'm in the uk. Just go to any motorbike suspension specialist and they can work their magic, i've learned a lot from dave moss videos but people who do it all day everyday are always going to get it perfect for you first time.
@@Dtp2296 Got it! Thanks mate. I live in the Philly area in the US. There is this amazing guy called "Solid Performance" who usually people go to for setting up their suspension.
Apart from the Specs: I've taken both to the limit, throwing them hard in the twisties. After the first hard run on the MT09 I felt kind of ready for a break. On the 890 I fehlt ready for the next run.
Interesting take!
Nothing beats the Duke. Just the handling is different class. Speed triple maybe comes close. Also u can have cruise control on duke.
True all of that. But the MT SP is a vastly improved machine and it has stellar handling too. Cannot really write it off.
It's just the fun factor and character that leads me to the KTM. A perfect bike is one thing, a big smile in your face an other.
Agree with that one. However, that said, the SP is amazing fun too. Hence this comparison.
Agree 100% and for example while cruising at 110-120Km/h it sounds like the front of a GE90 engine on takeoff, which never annoys me personally.
Every time I watch these you make me want to buy a bike. When I eventually do I am going to you for advice
Oh yes. And you are going for an Adventure bike for sure.
@@KrishnenduKes it would make sense
@@AdventuresThings 🏍️🏍️🏍️🏍️
I would lean to the 1290 sdr which i did, cant beat it for fun
I wouldn't argue with that. It is a great point.
Hello Krish, I just looked at the KTM the other day and love it. The Yamaha seems like a great value however. So I'll go check it out soon, perhaps today. Peace friend and great video
Thanks mate. They are both great bikes. You will have fun on both. Enjoy!
I have always been drooling over KTM, but after reading on forums and Facebook groups the problems people have with KTM and lack of support from KTM. I said hell no and went with 2023 mt09sp.
800$ for the tech pack 🤦🏻♂️
Congrats on your new MT09SP!
You cannot go wrong with either honestly. However, the KTM support really depends on where you are. Where I stay, KTM support is outstanding, both in terms of availability and tech support. Also, we see very few KTM bikes coming in for support really.
Yamaha MT-09SP for me... if I were in the market for either of these fine bikes. I am not, as I bought a 2021 MT-09 last summer, and am extremely happy with it.
Yes. Great bike. I agree.
Both outstanding bikes. I went with the KTM based solely on availability.. One mistake you made, the KTM does come with cruise control as an option (I have it).
Which country are you from?
Edit: There is no Cruise Control option on the 2022 or 2023 versions in the US. I am currently shooting the 2023 version and I will be bringing out the film soon. But no cruise control here.
@@KrishnenduKes I’m in the U.S. I have a 2022 890 R with cruise control. It has to be unlocked in the ECU just like the other options and you have to order the handle bar cluster from KTM.
@@davidskinner9276 Thanks for your input. I honestly did not know. And I do not see it on KTM's website. But as you said, I guess, it is a part & accessories thing and will have to be added separately as a hardware.
Thanks again.
Edit: Just checked on the parts of KTM. It is available. And it is not exactly cheap. But hey... you are right. Thank you!
@@KrishnenduKes Hello!! If it is true, I just bought a new KTM 890 R 2023 and yes I had to buy the Tech Pack but the grip heating system is separate, I think it is worth 600 euros, the Tech pack cost me 700 euros apart from the value of the motorcycle but hey you can also put and activate the cruise control and the tire pressure measurement
@@theportugamer3686 That is correct. Thank you.
The KTM looks so much better. The KTM looks like the future were the Yamaha looks like the past. Excellent presentation.( I will subscribe even though you said the Yamaha is your pick and I own a KTM. That's just a bit of a jive comment) keep well.
Thank you for your comment and thank you for your sub. I personally love KTMs, no doubt about that. But I ride a Yamaha.
ha ha ktms look like the colour of black and decker drills
I rode both. The 890r from the demo ride, already had issues and weird noises. Got a 2018 mt10 instead
The MT10 is different kinda beast! Deserves a whole independent video.
Ktm all the way the mt09 does look not finished and everybody drives that thing
Good question- having owned 3 Yammys in the past I`ll always like them, but after getting a new kTm last year I love kTms and will work my way up to the latest and best of the Duke and/or Adventure models. Having said that, I also like Harleys and Triumps having owned them in the past, but at the moment I`m sold on kTm.
You are my kind of motorcycle guy! Would love to do a video feature on you.
@@KrishnenduKes Been riding for 46yrs🤓
This whole class of bikes are so good. I went with the Ducati Monster SP. So much fun!
Oh yes. That is a bike that I sorely want to try out.
let's just say that if my experience dealing with KTM corporate was better (because, you know, KTM reliability), I'd certainly be looking at an 890 or 990. But since it wasn't, I'm looking at an 09.
People say that. But... It is an amazing bike.
@@KrishnenduKes for sure they make fun bikes . my 390 is very fun but for some reason i find myself obsessed with the 09.
For me, its the ktm all day, every day!
Good for you. I own a KTM. I know how good they are. And I also own Yamaha. I also know how good they are.
I bought the Yamaha and I am very satisfied with it. After riding it for a while I would buy it again without any hesitation.
Me too! Amazing motorcycle.
lovin my 2023 MT09 sp..much more fun than my previous R6, ZXR750 etc
You had an R6 and you like the SP more! That is saying something!
@@KrishnenduKesvery good acceleration with meaty low and mid, upright seating, less likely to lose licence with cruise control and naked feels faster than fairing at lower actual speed...
@@JohnSmith-sj2dk Those are pretty accurate feedbacks.
I have KTM Duke 890R (2020) never regret it.
I bought a ‘23 XSR900. I just can’t not get something quick that I can also put 50k miles on it without worrying.
I also own a Duke 690, and it’s ridiculously fun to ride.
And an Kawi Z650RS which is the best handling hike I’ve owned… I really need to sell a bike.
@@RovingTrader You can keep all of them. Btw, that XSR is SICK! Love it!
I didn't get it, what do you mean?
Duke more sporty seating position🔥✊and more raw and brutal motor🔥🔥
More sporty position yes. But raw power is similar on both bikes.
I'm currently in the market of buying between these 2. I'm leaning towards the MT-09 as it seems to be the perfect fit for what I want, not to mention it comes with all the bells and whistles as standard. Maybe in the future I would get a KTM Duke if I want a little track missile that I can throw through the curves
You cannot go wrong with either. They are both great bikes. Also the MT09 is quite capable on track too. I ride it on track and it is quite a beast!
Dada, send these to India...only kawasaki and Triumph seem to have brought their bikes here...the others aren't too sure about coming here...
Lol! 😂😂 But, I thought the 790 Duke already exists in India. And the MT-09 should launch pretty soon.
First review I've seen that claims the WP Apex suspension setup on the Duke is inferior to that of the MT. That rear Ohlins unit on the SP isn't the best quality
I am not saying that the WP is inferior. It is legendary as I mention. But I find the SP version suspension to be outstanding and "arguably" better, again "anecdotal".
I've been in that predicament for.two months! I can't decide which one of those motorbikes should I get
Really depends on you. They are both great. The KTM is significantly more expensive.
Nice video bro
Thanks mate!
Which has higher maintenance costs?
That's a good question. I believe a Japanese bike in general will have lesser maintenance costs.
my 890 R 2023 have 169 KG
i got the 890 duke r. yamaha dealers here charged well above msrp making it way more expensive than duke. in the end, duke was the one i wanted in the first place anyway and those hick ups made it even more logical.
When you say way above MSRP, I think it is freight, setup and destination charges which have gone up a lot from the times of Covid.
@@KrishnenduKes nope, they are charging more just because they are crooked as well as honda. Ktm was even cheaper than msrp.
@@rkntrknt If you say so. I have only heard about it. Does not happen where I work.
Yep, 3-4k markups on SP and I looked damn near nationwide....plus there were just none to be found.....maybe different now....this was like 9 months ago.....I wanted the KTM first as well....raced their dirtbikes and bike just looks better.....better componets, handling, etc.....and really the stylema brakes sold me.....nothing like great set of brakes on a perfect chasis😊
@@kirkdunn1379 3-4K Mark up? Really? Where I work, we sold at MSRP + the freight & prep fees that actually account for close to 1.2K and then taxes.
But yes, those Stylema brakes on the KTM are really good.
if both were the same price, which would you choose? in my country they have the same price tag(even tech pack included on KTM) and I don't know which one to choose.
That is a very tough question to answer! If both are the same price and you are even getting the tech pack on the 890R, then I think that you should go buy the bike that has better after sales service in the region where you will be riding. Also check for the pricing of parts & accessories.
I would have preferred you ride each bike as well, then give your opinion. Specs only go so far. Also, I never liked the looks of the MT series. Way too much "plumbing" exposed on the outside of the engine. The KTM is a stunner. From other reviews I've read, 890r all the way. It's on my list as next bike next to Suzuki GSX S1000.
I have ridden both bikes. I own the MT for a few years now. As you can see from the comment section, there are both sides to the argument. Some have had a great experience with the KTM. Others less so. About the Yamaha, it is very consistent.
The GSX S1000 is a bike I have no experience at all. Cannot comment.
@@KrishnenduKes
Thanks for the response. In all the comments, I only read one with issues on the 890r and he was sorry he bought it. Maybe one is enough to reconsider. Also, lots of issues with the 790 mentioned and I know about electronic issues with the super duke. I just can't get past the looks of the MT09. It may be the Suzuki for me. It just has great reviews everywhere. I owned the original MT09 (2014 FZ09). Amazing engine, but the lousy seat and dangerous fuel mapping had me sell it after one season. I wish deciding on a new bike was easier. Not the worst of problems though 😁 Be well. Keep up the great reviews and do review the GSX S1000.
@@howardfreedman4289 Thanks mate. My suggestion always is this: buy the bike that pleases you. But buy the bike for which you can easily access parts and service depending on where you live.
If the dealership gets the GSX S1000, I will make a film with it for sure.
Thanks again for your comments and inputs. Ride safe. 🤙🏽🏍️🏍️
no, that weight of mt09 2021-23 is when empty. it is 20kg heavier than the duke
KTM DUKE 890r ftw, take my money!
Lol!
Probably mt09 because it comes all toys and the ktm u got pay extra
Can't agree with you on the Suspension and Electronics comparison..890R has arguably one of the best suspension ever fitted on to a motorcycle from the factory, and It has more electronic gizmos than MT09.
One of the best yes. But the MT SP version is equally good probably better. That is my personal experience. I find this MT09 SP has incredible suspension.
As for the electronics package, for the Duke, you have to add on everything at an extra price. And it is pretty expensive. The MT SP version, it is already there.
Does the mt09 has a numb feeling when riding like the FZ-6 S2?
I dont think my 890 r will do 156 mph, maybe 135....unless gearing is changed
Interesting. It is easy to hit 240kmph. That's 145 Mph easy.
@@KrishnenduKes I saw a video where the KTM 890 R reaches 259 KM/h, I leave the link th-cam.com/video/xwJkoODKOmQ/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=EmreYavuz
I went with that street triple rs. These were both on my radar
Great bike that!
Im waiting for yamaha mt 08 SP In India...
My first love of bikes is only Yamaha... I rode an old Rx 100 it's just feels like riding a rocket.... But that's not mine bike ... So im waiting for yamaha mt 09 sp .. in India...
They just lunch base model of mt 09 in India.... But i want Sp version very badly..
I hope they launch it. We have it for the past 2 years. Great bike.
Here's what ppl forget brand wise or shall I say engine wise they all have a problem every manufacturer has its ups and downs price point Noone touches the yamaha I long for the aprillia for that turn heads affect but love the package yamaha has put out Noone can argue that
Nicely said. True that every manufacturer has its own thing and they have their own pros and quirks. And I actually like both.
@@KrishnenduKes I agree as well
Would like to put the yamahas specs onto the KTM. But the 890DR is a clear winner for me, any day. The looks of the mt09 are just plain ugly and i would never like to look at it :D
🤣🤣 That's funny.
But have you ridden the bikes? Paper and comparisons are abstract, riding a bike is a visceral and emotional experience.
The 2020 MT09 felt clunky in the front end and it did not have the agility or the vibrant energy of the KTM Duke 890R. For a long trip, I would choose the MT09, but for a thrilling experience that does not put reliability first, the KTM wins hands down for a true race bike experience. Maybe the new model handles better, but nothing cuts like the scalpel.
I own the MT amongst other bikes. And I work there and sell these bikes.
The 2020 MT09 does not have the updated suspension and is plagued with what you mentioned. I was on the fence between the KTM and the Yamaha myself. But I decided to purchase the 2022 MT-09 SP... why?
2021+ have had their frames and suspensions updated. If you get the SP version it comes with all the goodies STANDARD. The technology, fully adjustable suspension, quick shifter ^ and v, as well as cruise control. Can't beat the value for the price. Plus it is VERY planted on its side with the suspension adjusted properly.
Edit: grammar
@@tudm91 The SP has superb suspension.
Well now I guess I'll just have to get both 🤷
Lol! That's funny! 😅😅
well I like you have the ktm duke r
i'll buy the KTM.
Thanks for your comment.
Mt-09 handles like a pig next to the 890 Duke R!
The SP version handles really well in my experience.
The Mt09sp rides perfectly
Yamaha every day of the week for me save yourself some money on the extras with the Yamaha where as the KTM you have to pay alot more for the same function's
Yamaha Yamaha Yamaha always
That is actually true unfortunately. It is a hard agree.
What matters with horse power and torque is not the maximum, but the *curve, and I think that there the winner is the KTM in this aspect as it has more power and torque where it counts, although the Yamaha has a wider plage of use from lower to higher RPM. The Yamaha is better for every day use, but the Duke wins on track.
I believe they will be pretty close.
Are you francophone by any chance?
mt09 clearly the winner best middle naked bike on its class superb
Performance and reliability put together yes. No doubt. But there are other fun bikes too like the Ducati Monster, the GSX-S 750. But I really love the MT.
What? there is not even a comparison, the yamaha is a partsbin special with horrific handling and even the SP suspension doesn't save it, not to mention the garbage brakes, the KTM is in another league of it's own..
I disagree.
What KTM Assembly Plant do you work at?
KTM 890 R 😎👍
Sit longer and you will know that KTM is way more comfortable. Mt09 is extremely uncomfortable on long rides. KTM for me any day. The build quality is much better.
Interesting that you say that. Because I have owned both brands. I still have my MT and commute on it to work and have done rides to Lancaster and other places. And I also own KTM still. And as I said in the film, the difference in comfort is marginal for me and is not a deal breaker. Good that you prefer KTM and you enjoy the ride.
However, in my opinion & experience, the new SP version from Yamaha, the handling of the MT has become phenomenal. Again, the difference with the WP suspension from KTM is marginal and should be a deal breaker.
I have sat on a 1290 super duke r and an MT-09, I would say it's a matter of preference and build. Both are comfortable enough for me to sit on for around 4-5 hours straight before needing to take a stretch break... but then again by the 4th hour my rear and legs are already starting to feel it lol
@@tudm91 Of course. I can understand.
The day you find a company that has better overall fit and finish than the Japanese big 4, the Devil will need longjohns.